From Panic to Purpose: A Man's Journey Back to Himself

What if your burnout wasn’t a breakdown… but a breakthrough?

In this powerful episode, Dr. Tami sits down with her former client Leif Kjorness — a conscious entrepreneur who went from daily panic attacks and emotional exhaustion to peace, purpose, and power.

They explore what happens when a man stops numbing, starts feeling, and fully reclaims his life.

Leif shares:
🌀His breaking point — and what it taught him about true strength
🌀How nervous system work and breathwork saved his life
🌀Why being seen, supported, and softened changed everything
🌀What it means to become a man rooted in self-love and presence

Dr. Tami unpacks:
✨ The spiritual initiations behind burnout
✨The neuroscience of emotional recalibration
✨Why healing begins in the body — not the mind

This isn’t just a conversation — it’s a testimony of transformation.

🎧 Listen now — and come home to yourself.

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Transcript

Dr. Tami 0:00

Hello. Welcome to this episode of Dr. Tami Talks. It's a very special one. I have one of my VIP clients here, Leif Kjorness, and he is here to share his transformation, his journey. It is so beautiful. Leif and I have been working together for three years now. Amazing. You'll enjoy this episode. I have no doubt. Leif is a very special human as you are, and I think you're going to be able to connect with his story, with his experience, and really actually see so many similarities to yourself. It is actually very funny because we tried recording this podcast several years ago and well, you'll hear the story in the show, but it didn't quite work out that way. But this was the one that was meant to be recorded and meant to be shared. I have. No doubt, and I hope you really enjoy this episode. I hope you let it speak to not just your mind, but to your heart, and really discover the transformation, the change that's available for each one of us on the journey to self actualization, self-realization, and the process of becoming. Enjoy. Welcome to the show. Welcome to Dr. Tami Talks. I am here with one of my most favorite humans in the world. He happens to also be a client and um, I really am excited to have Leif here with us because not only is his, his story is remarkable, but his desire for the work, for the transformation is unprecedented and I think really special. And I think, thank you. What? Yeah. No, it's really incredible because this is, I think it also shows that like when we're ready for the work, like we get results.

both of us 2:23

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 2:23

Really. And I think in the three-ish years that we've been working together. It has been just this like steady, consistent, upward trajectory and just this like consistent commitment, recommitment, commitment, recommitment. Yeah. To yourself, to your life, to your family, to the impact you wanna have in this world, to the influence that you wanna be to the people closest to you. It is beyond inspiring for me to be your coach and to be in close proximity with you. And I just know that like where head, like we're just at the tip of the iceberg, like we are really, we are really still scratching the surface of unlocking the hu the massive potential and power that is within you. Mm-hmm. And this journey just keeps getting more delicious and more fun and more exciting and. The work is so much similar to what we've been doing since the beginning, which is really like, let's rebalance the nervous system. Let's recalibrate it. Let's expand our capacity for what we can, what we can create, what we can receive what, and really expand our ability. Like to be conscious, to be aware of ourselves, and where do we really wanna go? Like rooting into the heart, like letting the whole process almost become a little bit of a dance, a little like just this continual process. And you've been game for it over and over and over, and it's shown up in your life. Like, I don't think there's a, there's an era, an area of your life that hasn't quantum leaped in the last three years. And a quantum leap by definition just for the audience so that they know Yes. Is whenever you've shifted 80% of your identity. Or your habits mm-hmm. Towards becoming who you wanna be, right? So mm-hmm. It's a major thing. 80%. Right? Right. Yeah, for sure. Like to do that consistently over time. So why don't you, this audience, I have the most incredible audience. I love this audience. These are an audience. I, I

Leif Kjorness 4:41

don't imagine that it would be less than incredible. Okay. Right.

Dr. Tami 4:45

Visionaries,

Leif Kjorness 4:46

yes. Heart

Dr. Tami 4:47

led leaders, right? Good. Mm-hmm. Change makers, renegades, rebels here who wanna like, create a future that's different than the past. This is, this is an awesome community of people. I'm just curious if you were gonna share a little bit about yourself. What I, what did I miss? What would you like, like what do you think they should know before we get started?

Leif Kjorness 5:09

Well, I mean, everyone should probably know Thanks for trying to make me cry Right. When we start. Okay. You know, so it's, uh, nice. You know, but I thank you very much and I, I do appreciate it. So for it. Since we reconnected, as, as you know, this story of, we kind of grew up together in a sense. Right. You know, um, I think I remember first meeting you in, in junior high, like seventh, eighth grade, you know. Um, so this part is, is very, um, it's been very rewarding to reconnect with you, especially, um, and looking back at how this, uh, all started, I mean, I, I just grabbed this notebook and I just, you know, I just happened to grab it and, uh, Laura actually brought it up for me, uh, last week, uh, to this cabin here. And I was like, yeah, I need that notebook and, uh, and my, and my checkbook, you know, for work. And so she brought that up and, and I just sat on the table right here and I just like, oh, perfect. Right where I'm sitting, just happened to sit to talk to you and I'm open it up and the first like log that I wrote with you, and you know, it's like this, uh, well, not first, but the one I can see as far back as, um. 2022 and it's like, um, it does, uh, to look back at the sim like the simple things you were teaching me at that time. You know, it's like I look at it now and I'm like, yeah, no, no shit. You know, like, and uh, it's like, um, it's just really, I gotta read some of'em to you. It's, uh, if you can I do that quick, real quick please? Just to kind of please. Yeah, this is good. Yeah. Um,'cause I just saw this, uh, and I'm not unethical. I'm being resourceful. These are all just notes I'm writing down through our session. Right. Um, guilt is a major stressor drives us into self-sabotaging. Okay, so I'm like you, um, I'm really loving the fact that I was taking notes.'cause you know, that was never a strong characteristic of mine. So like, just these little shifts, as you say. Um, I can transfer all of this stress as, uh, and it's a great evolving growth. I push the upper limit now I'm gonna push through the ceiling. I mean, all these little things I'm taking away. And, um, don't cheat yourself. Rest and restore the hypo track before bed. Um, thinking about my sLeifp even. Okay. It's, it's funny, man, and you know, I'd always live my, uh, work life through my sLeifp. Um, six hours, like, like a soldier almost, right? And it was like, I, uh, so I've like taken this new, uh, approach to it all. It's like I'm gonna just bLeifp and sLeifp, you know, as I just do, right? I'm gonna try to be to bed before 10, which. Works out. I just have to turn on a show and I'll fall asLeifp in 20 minutes, no problem. Right. So it's like I do that at, and I'll wake up just naturally. Um, you know, I'm not pushing myself to get up at four. Um, and I, I, I'll probably, I'm not saying I'll do this forever, but right now it's been this little nice little break of just kinda, it's like, I'm, I am restoring, you know, like, I'm just like, Hey man, if my body needs it, I gotta let it shut down. Um, and um, the breathwork helps, has helped so much with that, uh, you know, through this, this whole thing. And, you know, as my, uh, as my journey continues in this life's work that you pointed out, um, it's, uh, it's, it's like, uh, and I expressed this to you the other day. I, you know, it's, it's been the biggest blessing that's, uh. It's happened in my life through a really hard time. And you know, it's like you've, uh, you've brought me so, so much love for myself. You've taught me how to do that. That was the most important thing, you know?

Dr. Tami 8:59

Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Leif Kjorness 9:00

For

Dr. Tami 9:01

sure. And that journey, like, it's interesting how many layers there are to that journey. How much programming, right? How much conditioning we work against to like,'cause I remember even, and this is, this is like every client has this experience where there's like this, this, there's this moment where you realize, you hear me say something where it's like, oh, burnout could be the breakthrough. And you're, and there's kind of like this ray of hope, there's like, Ooh, I like that idea. Right? Correct. And then there's also this moment where it's like. It's a journey of self-love and self-respect and self-honoring, and we're willing to go down it. And then we walk. We do like a few steps down the path, and then we go, wait, is this arrogant? Is this selfish? Is this right? Like, could this actually be the solution? You know? Yeah, I know.

Leif Kjorness 9:53

Yeah. Literally said that to you, you.

Dr. Tami 9:58

Totally. Mm-hmm. Does, I'm outta curiosity, does that still come up for you?

Leif Kjorness 10:02

I, I think, I think like, I think you pointed it out as this receiving of love to me and any like compliments and on this thing, it didn't always like that. That's, and it turned out like, Hey, guess what? That is like one of the major steps in this process right now. I'm like, uh, um, so, um, simple and really, uh, it's, and you feel, I would say I would feel more foolish anytime that does happen. You know, I'd be like, okay, well, you know, it's short-lived, right?

both of us 10:31

Yeah. It's like I

Leif Kjorness 10:32

can breeze right by it. So it's like that. And I, and I just sometimes, I often just kinda laugh about it a little bit, like, yeah. Yeah. That's funny. You.

Dr. Tami 10:43

Because it's no small task. Like when we talk about what it is, when we're, when we're the kind of people that are so ambitious that care so much about like truly being the best that we can be for the people around us. Especially once we start having kids like that thing, just like ramps up a little bit. And when we experience burnout, we make it so personal. Like we make ourselves so wrong and we call ourselves weak and we, we kind of throw ourselves under the bus and it's simply a symptom of the habit pattern of thinking and relating to ourselves that got us into the burnout in the first place. Right. And what I love is like the thing that drives us into burnout also gets to be the thing that, that like catapults us out of it. Yeah.'cause because it's that same drive. It's just the fundamental thing that shifts. Is our willingness to sacrifice our health, our wellbeing, and like the goodness of us.

Leif Kjorness 11:48

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 11:49

In the process of building the successful life that we want.

Leif Kjorness 11:56

Yeah. It's, uh, it's, well, yeah, and it's like, I just keep thinking, but I think one thing for me too is always the, the big step. This was a huge, uh, I, I think this was a big thing for me was, um, going inward in these things that were happening and instead of, you know, looking for a person to blame, right? I mean, I just, even when, uh, it's just, you gotta find your, you gotta find your role in it. And that takes getting fucking real. I'm sorry for, for the, but, you know, but that's, that just does Right? And then the self-love becomes easy. I think after that, as you start to just be like, that's okay. You know, and you've taught me this more than any. Person, or I've realized it more in our, in our meetings and our talks. You know, it, it's, it's, I, I, again, that's just, I, uh, if I, as much as I do tell you, I wish I could tell you more, it's been, it's been the most eye-opening experience in so many ways. And even as things aren't always perfect Right. You know, and it's been three years and you start to go, but I feel I can re look back and I like remember feeling this, you know, the way I did. I'm not grinding, I'm building dreams. I have that written on this page. You know, like, it's like, you know, it's, it's, uh, 8, 8, 10, 22, you know, BFF, right? Uh, the, the do the breath did my breathing. I'm like writing my intentions down for the day. Like, these things are all clicking. I was, I mean, I was right for the pickings, you know,'cause I'm sitting here going, this is, uh. And it was just this, and I love that too. You know, the, the shift, how it was happening. For me, it was just like, I just needed this guidance and this push from you. And it was, and it was a, it's, it's, uh, to me, I, I don't have to, uh. I don't have to look too far to know why you know it to happen this way, you know? Yeah.

Dr. Tami 13:51

Like,

Leif Kjorness 13:52

cause I get it, you know? Yeah. We're supposed to connect at this time. You know,

Dr. Tami 13:56

speaking of, I just wanna let the audience in on a little thing. Leif and I tried to do this conversation like I got maybe a year ago already. Yeah. I don't know. A long time ago. No,

Leif Kjorness 14:06

it was like two years ago.

Dr. Tami 14:07

Was it two years ago? Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 14:08

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was conversation. It had to be 20 conversation

Dr. Tami 14:13

has been a long time coming. Yeah. Let's just to let the audience in on a little thing. And we had so many issues recording that first episode mm-hmm. That even my editing team was like, we actually can't, we got, we got shut down and reconnected and like the, the audio was broken across, like, I don't know. It was a lot of different Zoom calls. Yeah. And I was like, you know what, let's just squash it. Like we're, it'll, it'll happen again when it's meant to happen. Mm-hmm. And just like you just said, like this, this really learning to trust Yeah. That things are always working out for you. Things are really always working out for the best, for all invol involved in Always, always. And being able to see that, being open-minded to that possibility. Yeah. When we're in the peak of our burnout, when things are really feel like they're falling apart

both of us 15:05

mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 15:08

Is sometimes I feel for a lot of people, they're willing to entertain the possibility, but it almost feels delusional. Like,

Leif Kjorness 15:19

oh, I know that feeling. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I did. I was like, you know, I remember I told you like, yeah, people see me, hear me doing breath work to calm myself. They're gonna be like this fucking kid here. Like, what's this guy doing? I'm like, I felt like in the closet when I'm doing it, you know? Yeah.

Dr. Tami 15:37

So it's real. It is a great place to be doing breath work. No doubt. Especially if you can lock it if you've got little ones trying to find you. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. Good luck. Yeah. The other thing that I thought was really phenomenal about that early stage.

both of us 15:54

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 15:55

I'm so glad you like, went through some of your notes on that because it brought me back too.

both of us 15:59

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 16:00

So one of the, one of, I think, a really valuable piece that I want this audience to hear is mm-hmm. I had asked you like, I remember once upon a time feeling like I was in the grind.

both of us 16:15

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 16:16

And that being like inspiring and motivating and empowering. And somewhere along the line I got to a place where the grind felt like it was like, it was grinding me to the, like my bones. Right? Yeah. Like it was grinding me into the ground Yeah. And it was gonna kill me Sure. Kind of thing.

Leif Kjorness 16:33

That brought me to you.

Dr. Tami 16:35

I know.

Leif Kjorness 16:36

Yeah. Uhhuh.

Dr. Tami 16:37

cause that's the, that that switch like understanding how our language makes us feel.

both of us 16:44

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 16:45

Helps us know the meaning of the words, because words are just words. It's the meaning we've assigned them. It's how they make us feel. That determines ultimately the impact that they have on us.

Leif Kjorness 16:57

Yeah. The power that we give it. Right?

Dr. Tami 16:59

Right. Yeah. And so like some people can use those words like, I'm in the grind, man, and it's like short sprint. They're able to do it. They're able to like rally. And there are some people that say that and they're like withering inside.

Leif Kjorness 17:15

Right? I know. Yeah. So

Dr. Tami 17:17

we wanna be hip to like, what is our experience of these words? I remember now going back to that time when I was burning out, um, and I would say to myself, this is killing me.

Leif Kjorness 17:30

Yeah. Right. This is killing

Dr. Tami 17:32

me.

Leif Kjorness 17:32

I would literally

Dr. Tami 17:33

be saying that. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 17:34

I know. These are, these are easy things'cause the body

Dr. Tami 17:38

is always listening. Like the body is always, and so is the subconscious mind that drives 95% of our behaviors. So as I'm saying, this is killing me. I start making choices that could end my life. Right? Yeah. Like I really start fast tracking Yep. At the demise of my existence.

both of us 17:57

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 17:59

Yeah. So language matters and we forget that

Leif Kjorness 18:01

it does it, we forget it often, and it's, uh, I'm glad you say that. Um, because I'm almost, I'm almost like to a point of annoying to most people around me because I'm like, don't stop. You know, don't say, don't say that shit around me. I, nope. Don't even get my thoughts going this way. Right. I'm telling you, you know, like, Lauren, I just had this conversation was, it's so hard. It's just so hard. You know, I just. You, you know, you, you get to raise these three kids, you know what I mean? So just fuck you, you know? It's like these are simple and, um, but it can keep us like, no, it's not hard. I'm like, I'll say, it's like, I swear to you, I will take these three kids and we will, you will never hear from us. Like, we will make the d like, it's not hard. It's fun. Okay. Um, and it's just this whole, and embrace it. You know? You gotta embrace some of that, you know, these, these times. Um,

Dr. Tami 18:58

well, we forget that our language shapes our experience.

Leif Kjorness 19:02

Right.

Dr. Tami 19:02

And how we feel like this was interesting. This is something that I had learned, um, from the work of like Joe Dispenza. Mm-hmm. Is that ev our emotion is simply a signature that shows that we've had an experience. Yeah. So as we languish our lives mm-hmm. And as we, and this is the benefit of like a one-on-one relationship with somebody, right. Is like I, I've like, I used to be a general surgeon, now I'm like a subconscious surgeon. I'm always listening. Yeah. For the nuance. That helps me know where the mindset really is, you know?

both of us 19:36

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 19:37

So that I can. So I can help you shapeshift so that I can help you like tease out like, oh, that's so interesting that you just said that because it, it has me curious about this for you or it has me wondering, you know, if this pattern is showing up for you. Mm-hmm. Because it show, because what's locked in the subconscious mind shows up in our language and our energy.

both of us 20:00

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 20:01

Right.

both of us 20:01

Well, and we don't even

Dr. Tami 20:02

meet on Zoom. We meet on the phone, man. Like I can hear it. Your voice, right? Energy. I was gonna say to

Leif Kjorness 20:07

you, I'm like, I think I kinda love seeing your, like the soul of, of you as well. So like, we might have to switch up to some Zoom meetings, I think. Yeah. It's kind of nice, but for sure I, it's like, uh. I know you do, and it's almost like, okay, quit. Like, get outta my head lady. Okay. You read my mind. I get it. Okay. Like it's funny, um, like I do feel that and I'm like, it's great because you articulate things for me that I am, you know, I find that, that to be this great also a very magical for me, um, to have someone who is such a good listener. And you are, um, as I, I just, uh, you helped me articulate so many things and you remember how I explained a situation. Previously in my life, and you know. Yeah. So yeah, the things we say to ourselves matter For sure. And when you said that, I was like, oh, don't I know it actually. So I'm like, I'm freaked. It was like you get a little freaked out about the shit you say, you know? So,

Dr. Tami 21:08

yeah. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 21:08

Hundred percent. And not letting

Dr. Tami 21:10

ourselves get freaked out I think is part of the magic, right? Yeah. Because we've already had this conversation and we're, we'll keep having it because it's like there's so much liberation in it, but it's so often our reaction to ourselves that locks in. Uh, those patterns in the, in the brain, like quite literally the neural networks are tied to our emotional state. Like I said, um, a an emotion is the endpoint of an experience. Yeah. The higher the intensity of an emotion, the greater the, the depth of that neural network in the, in the brain. So very interesting. Yeah,

Leif Kjorness 21:48

totally.

Dr. Tami 21:49

And we can lock those neural networks in by react, by saying like, oh, I'm not doing that anymore. Or, oh, like, oh damn. Like I wasn't gonna talk to myself like that anymore. And then we just kind of make it worse instead of going, oh, isn't that interesting? It's like one of my favorite lines now. Yeah. Oh, isn't that interesting?

Leif Kjorness 22:07

Yeah. That

Dr. Tami 22:07

I went there and we're unraveling Fascinating.

Leif Kjorness 22:10

You know? Fascinating. That is so

Dr. Tami 22:12

fascinating. Yes. Because we're unraveling what you're doing is unraveling like 40 years. I know of programming that, that we've just downloaded, that we've just. Yeah. Fun job, right?

Leif Kjorness 22:28

Yeah. It's funny as you put to me like, hey, uh, you can relax a little bit.'cause uh, it's only 40 years you're trying to make up and you've been at it for two, you know, at the time it was like two years. I was like, oh, okay. Uh, I get it, you know? Got it. So, you know, there's a lot to do here, especially Oh man. But I, I do find it. Um. It's been as even on the surface, you know, like there's still, you know, people may, a judge allowing people to judge me and like, what that used to do to me, and I told you last week how, you know, Andy brought this to my attention. I was like, man, you, you, you, uh, you can let the shit roll off your shoulder pretty, pretty quickly these days. And, um, you don't do much, you don't react much to it. And so as forever for me, and as for as long as I live, I'm sure there'll be something I need to work on, right? And so currently it's the big one is just my reaction, you know, and just let you know, let, uh, letting, so it's like, and it always is. And I would say just at the 80% honestly, but it still shows up here and there, right? It's, uh, mm-hmm. Um, the triggers letting go, you know, how I'm reacting to the triggers by giving them energy, you know, giving this energy if it's triggering me, but I'm still giving it power, you know? Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 23:46

Um,

Leif Kjorness 23:47

duh. You know, you know what I

Dr. Tami 23:48

love that you're willing to do though, Leif? Mm-hmm. Is as willing as you are, right? Yeah. To see, to like be open to the triggers and let it become something that you're willing to work with.

both of us 24:01

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 24:02

You don't get mired in it because you're equally willing, at least in our conversations, you're equally willing to see how you're already like,'cause I like to sometimes say we can trigger, we can be triggered into our own evolution and our growth, or we can, we can start triggering it ourselves like. Right. You're, you're willing to see your transformation. You're willing to celebrate your progress. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're willing to see, right. For sure. And that actually is a trigger that works for you.

both of us 24:32

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Tami 24:33

That triggers, right? Mm-hmm. Further growth and further momentum. Yeah. Because honestly, this journey will deplete and exhaust the one. Mm-hmm. Because it's easy to get like super, at least for myself, let me just speak for myself. I have addictive tendencies. I can get obsessed with the self-development, personal evolution journey, right? Like I am all in, I think this is the best game in town. There's nothing more delicious. So, but that journey can become really challenging and like it can feel heavy when we're not matching it with a celebration for how far we've come.

Leif Kjorness 25:17

Yeah. Um, I think yes, to that point, one of the easiest things for me to do when, and we talked about this again last week, you know, as you talk about the consistency and all these things, I, I look at, I've been looking at it, and I wrote this down after last week, but I've been looking at it so much in terms of, you know, what I've come out of and like as my, you know, consistency, the financial stuff, the things, you know, all the stuff that I was going through. Like, it's still lingering stuff around my life. I'm going, and I, and I just, uh, I think that I always. It's like, I, I, I never really looked at what the growth really were, you know, as I've looked at more as that, as the growth, instead of looking as like, look at how my, I'm feeling and handling situations and as they come up and as you, like, you put it best last week, I'm detoxing stuff out, you know what I mean? Like, the shit's gonna show up'cause I'm still fucking detoxing through it. Right. You know? So it's like, that part really resonated with me and I was like, okay. Yeah. So it's like, it is, it's just like getting cleaner, like less is more around me, you know? Um, so those, there is all this progress that, you know, sometimes can be overlooked. I like, you know, when you're, when you're stuck thinking that you're like, all of your progress is gonna show up financially this way, or, you know what I mean? Instead of being like, nothing Does my soul feel like, because I do, it brings tears to my eyes and I'm telling you I'm reading this shit and I, I like. It's, but my appreciation list on this, you know, at the time it's, it's like, it's all like, just, it's really, it's uh, it's good to look back at right now in this moment with you to be honest and have this be a time we talk about it.'cause it's like, you know, thank you. You know? Um, and that is, uh, it's really, it's really been a, it's probably my favorite part of the struggle, you know what I'm saying? The part of the, coming out of the, and it's really not a struggle, it's just this thing I had to go through, you know, and to get me to where I really wanna be, you know?

Dr. Tami 27:25

Oh gosh, that's so delicious. You know what I mean? And it's real.'cause the money is always a legging indicator.

Leif Kjorness 27:31

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 27:32

And it's interesting because,

Leif Kjorness 27:34

well, meanwhile, like what you're redoing

Dr. Tami 27:35

is like, you're, you are altering the paradigm. Yeah. Can, can I gush on this for a minute? Because Please, the paradigm that has been changed for you is. Is is truly massive. Right. You've, you've built another company. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. When, when you came to me, there was one company that you had built that you were like, it's so interesting to me. Yeah. How so often our burnout. And the crumbling of the things around us is actually a part of our higher selves, right? Yes. Like part of our soul has like a mission for us. Mm-hmm. And it's, it's, we are meant to evolve and grow. Yeah. And we call that a problem. I know.

Leif Kjorness 28:19

Like we

Dr. Tami 28:19

make ourselves rock for it instead of seeing like, the burnout is a symptom that we're actually clinging to something that's meant to be released. Yeah.

both of us 28:28

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 28:29

And there's something that we're meant to grow into, but that growth into this new phase of your life was gonna require you to be a new person. Right? Yeah. Like, there's an inner, there's an, there's a, have you ever heard of the phrase like, be, do, have, right. Like, who you, who you're being Yeah. Determines what you're doing and that determines what you have. And so often we try to change what we have,

Leif Kjorness 28:55

right.

Dr. Tami 28:55

Without realizing. As within, so without, yeah.

Leif Kjorness 29:00

Right. We want

Dr. Tami 29:00

to be the one. Yeah. Who creates the new business? We want to be the one who creates this new dynamic in their home. We want to be the one right. That leads this life in this way. And that is the journey. When you set, you said something so beautiful like that, it's really like reconnecting to your soul. It's like soul aligned living. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 29:25

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 29:26

And that mm-hmm. Right. Like the gonna make me cry, like the sweetness of that because you can't buy that. I like, you can't. You can't. And it is absolutely priceless. And what's interesting to me is that as we get there. I am, I'm tearing up over

Leif Kjorness 29:44

here. I know, me too. Good job. Congratulations. I know, I know, right?

Dr. Tami 29:49

Should I put KLeifnex at my desk? Should always know this. When I talk to my client, every client call it and like, there's tears of separation at some point. Right. So

Leif Kjorness 29:56

for sure

Dr. Tami 29:57

it's the best.

Leif Kjorness 29:58

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 30:01

Um, that, that we, we it's delayed returns. Yeah. Because as we shift who we're being, we are shifting the way we do what we do and it absolutely alters the results of our lives and what comes back to us. Right. It's, yeah. It's, it is the, just the law of the universe. It's. As you've shifted internally and as you've been more willing to like, actually,'cause you're a very intuitive person. You always have been. Yeah, thank you. I mean, ever since thank we were young. Like I knew. Yeah. You know, you just know like, I feel like intuitive people know each other like

Leif Kjorness 30:46

well, I think, yeah. I think that, yeah, you can explain that by just the connection that we've, you know, the way we found each other this way. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. I know someone super smart that can help you. You know, just, uh, you use this social media thing, you ding, you know, it's h isn't

Dr. Tami 31:03

that interesting? How good life gets to get is just phenomenal. And I know that right now you are on the precipice. Thank

both of us 31:18

you

Dr. Tami 31:19

of so much financial abundance in your life.

both of us 31:22

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Tami 31:25

And it's also kind of why I wanted us to have this conversation now.

both of us 31:29

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 31:31

Because you're at that sweet spot on the journey where you, like, the contracts are starting to come in the like

both of us 31:36

mm-hmm. The, the,

Dr. Tami 31:37

the, the projected money is like, it's on the calendar, right? Yeah.

both of us 31:42

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 31:43

And this is a sweet spot where it's, where it's a moment to just actually reflect mm-hmm. On the work that Yeah. That you've done to get here.

both of us 31:55

Mm-hmm. Right.

Dr. Tami 31:55

That you've been willing to do

both of us 31:57

mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 31:58

That you've dared to do, because this is courage. This takes courage.

Leif Kjorness 32:03

Yeah. I, yeah, I totally, and I thank you for saying all that, you know, because that's the courage part. It's that, that is something, you know. Man did it, was it, did it, uh, was I trained, you know, in a way to feel like that's weak to need, you know, this. Right? And this, this push the courage to reach out to you, to like, to, I mean, I think you kinda knew it. I was bursting at the sea for something, you know, and, and to the point about the, the work at life is, uh, again, uh, it's funny how in about 2019 I was sitting there going, I don't think I'm just supposed to do this. I'm not just supposed to build homes. I'm supposed to do something else. And I kept saying it to myself, okay. They're like, well, yeah, you're never gonna let go of this, you know? Uh, but we'll, let's see if you can hang onto it. I'll put you through this shit. Okay. You know what I mean? You ask for it kind of thing, you know? And, and it's to push me in this direction of what I'm doing today, of like getting we healthier, like internally. Um. Here. You know, I mean, that's been, yeah, that's been the, uh, I can clear. I, I mean shit, Tami, there there is, uh, there is so many little things from the beginning of this work with you where this was automatic, this is how I thought of things. It was good luck, anyone talking me out of it. And I was just like, oh, okay. And again, it was almost like glaring to me, like, you know, like, um, so these, these are times I remember, I'm like, you know, these, these memories I do have are they come easy to me. They like, I've, you know, I don't forget shit. You know?

both of us 33:46

Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 33:47

And it's like I, uh, will just say it's like these little parts. And the, and the whole thing was just starting with this breathing, you know, and I still just am how quickly I can, uh, get back to a, a calm place. And, uh, I, I gotta share this with you because yesterday I was driving down the road and I thought, this is hilarious. This just came to me. I'm driving down this gravel road and I'm like driving straight up like my grandpa, right? You know, five miles an hour, 10 miles an hour, just rolling. I got the tunes on, which is another thing we'll talk about. I'm listening to this song and I'm just like, I had this flash too, about second grade, and one of the teachers comes in with this, uh, this, uh, this new song we're gonna sing. As you know, as kids, you know, it's probably a ha it's probably a group like Kinad myself, you know, whatever, right? Is, uh, when you feel yourself get tense. Stop. Two, three, breathe. Two, three. Think your way to sense. And I shit you not. I'm like, I can't wait to tell Tami this. Oh my God, this is, this is gold. They're like teaching in here, dingdong. You know, they're telling you in second grade, you know, just settle yourself. Okay. Why don't you breathe a little bit, man, before you throw that car at somebody, you know?

Dr. Tami 35:09

Yeah. You know. Well, what's really what I love about this body of work is that we, I actually give my clients, which you, which you have, right? Mm-hmm. This biofeedback monitoring device, that, that helps you see in real time.

Leif Kjorness 35:23

Mm-hmm. Like

Dr. Tami 35:24

the impact of breathing.

Leif Kjorness 35:26

Right.

Dr. Tami 35:27

The impact. Because so often we are, we are so disconnected from mm-hmm. Like this internal state. Yeah. And if you invite people to do breath work, they feel, they feel good and then they kind of ditch it. They're like, yeah. It's very difficult to anchor into the benefit when you're relying on how you feel. Right? Yeah. But when you have a machine, when you have a device that's giving you numbers and

both of us 35:56

Right.

Leif Kjorness 35:56

A

Dr. Tami 35:56

graph and direct feedback.

Leif Kjorness 36:00

Yeah. It is really cool. That part was like, okay, remember I was, my resting heart rate was 97 beats a minute. You know, it's, it was like within a month, it was at 64 beats, you know, and I'm like, okay, I'm literally saving my life, you know, by doing this. Um, so I just thought that the jingle, I gotta tell you, I just thought that the jingle bringing me as, I'm like, it came to me from 35, 38 years later, you know, and I just am like, how, why did that just happen to me? You know, like, you know, I, I can, it's a

Dr. Tami 36:33

reminder that you've always Yeah. Always been guided to the breath. Always. You've always been doing this. We just forget

Leif Kjorness 36:39

who does forget. It's always, it's been, yeah. It's just been laying there for you, you know, this whole time, you know, I want

Dr. Tami 36:45

to share with the audience, um, what is it that you do right now?

Leif Kjorness 36:50

Well, um, I'm a, I'm a song I build, I build dream saunas for, for beautiful humans that wanna, uh, jump into the heat and have a he tree. Isn't that

Dr. Tami 37:02

amazing?

Leif Kjorness 37:02

Yeah. You know, Tami, it's the best. No, I

Dr. Tami 37:04

wanna say though, it, this is like, when he is saying dream saunas, he's not kidding.

Leif Kjorness 37:10

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 37:10

Mm-hmm. Because this. Work. The work that you do is

Leif Kjorness 37:15

Thank you.

Dr. Tami 37:16

Absolutely. It is beyond luxury. It is beyond superior, superb craftsmanship.

both of us 37:26

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 37:26

What you do, what, what your hands do with wood and a stove and like it is beyond, because you can tell that everything that you build, e exudes, like sanctuary exudes health and wellness, it is a true experience for somebody. It does to receive. Do you wanna make them this from you

Leif Kjorness 37:48

way? Yeah. Do you wanna make'em like, and thank you for saying that. And um, it is that, that is the idea behind, you know, I can bring my, my, the, the, uh, my craftsmanship from building, you know, uh, custom homes for many years. So it's, it comes, uh, and, but I, I guess to that point, Tami, as I, I love, uh. I love that people are gonna gather in these, these families. This one is, I mean, it's feet from the water, you know, they're gonna be able to run out and cut a hole in the ice. Um, dunk right into one of our beautiful fresh water lakes up here, you know, and so as we were talking about, this gets to be my job now is I'm at this little ca guest cabin, you know, by myself or till Sunday, probably it's 68 degrees or so. It's a little over casty. Bruce has been playing fetch all morning, you know what I mean? I've, right from where I'm working, I've got everything on site, you know, I've got like, I, uh, it makes building enjoyable again for me. And, and it's so take that as I'm something I'm still doing. So I get to be creative. I never have to, I've never, I'm, I'm kind of. Recreating each one, you know, in a sense. But it's all planned out in my head. So I like, I get to live in that. Like, it's exploratory. It's like, you know, it's, um, so that keeps me stimulated honestly, with building, um, looking at a set of plans. Cute. That's great. I'm not into that. I'm like, I'm creating it as I go at times and I'm just changing things from the last one, you know? And that's, remember as I'm doing it, you know, um, so it's fun. And then at the end of it, you know, these people are gonna have this for 40 years, you know, and it's gonna be treated like a home. It's like a home, you know? And it's built this way. So, um. It's like this one's gonna be, you know, as you'll see the pictures as we move along here, it's uh, you know, my, my big brother, my oldest brother's gonna come up here for a couple days from South Dakota. He's able to, he is like, yeah, it's only five hours. He's like, I'll be there. No problem. He is like, so he is gonna help me wire because he is a electrician. I'm like, and that's magic to me. I get to spend time with him. We're about 30 minutes or so from where our cabin used to be. Um, I'm going over to the neighbors tomorrow morning to pour him concrete, you know, and I mean, it's like, he calls, he's like, we for, I'm like, yeah, I'm up here this week. And he is like, so we'll go hang out with this guy. And, you know, he is just a gem of a human. Um. And so this is what I get to do for my job, you know? And as that keeps saying, isn't it incredible? Yeah. And, and like, if I had every one of them in locations like this, you know, like I've never seen my kids for one, but it's like, you know, I would, uh, yeah. I'm getting there. You know, I'm getting to that point close, you know, so

Dr. Tami 40:37

if anybody wants a custom sauna mm-hmm. They can check out Excelsior Saunas. Oh, thank

Leif Kjorness 40:42

you. Yes, please do. We will. I'll plug

Dr. Tami 40:44

it. I'll, I'll make sure it's in the show notes as well. We'll send em

Leif Kjorness 40:46

nationwide. We'll deliver'em to your door. No problem.

Dr. Tami 40:49

No problem. Yeah, no problems at all. Reach out. Leif is a great guy. He's got like custom stove builders. He does it old school. He does it like, it's, it's phenomenal. Yeah. Phenomenal work.

Leif Kjorness 41:00

Yeah. We do do school stuff too with these new You do. I'm wifi. That's right. That's, you know, but with these wifi ones, you know, I sometimes it's just people have to, you know, like that's what you gotta work what's within your life. Um, yeah. I like to start a fire, you know? Yeah. You know, it's part of, uh. It's a ritual. It is. It becomes

Dr. Tami 41:19

like a little bit of a, it's very, it becomes a ceremony.

Leif Kjorness 41:22

Yeah. Yeah. And so through all that, you know, it's leading me right to where, you know, and like I said in 2019, it's this, less is more. It's uh, how do I help others through my experiences? And then it just adds, that really was just hijacking, you know. Any thoughts of me just being a, a contractor for any, any time, you know, for the rest of my life, you know, I, um, I have, you know. A group, you know, right now, a couple people that have been reached out, you know, reached out to talk through things. And, um, that's been really, uh, and this is where I'm giving you praise as well, where it's like, it feels good to like talk, give some, give people some actual tools Okay. To help with their situations. And, you know, one of them's like, for sure it's real easy, just quit drinking. You know? I mean, it's like, let's just stop there for one and give yourself a break. Right. And for,'cause this particular situation, you know, um, yeah. I would think it's like the best move for them, you know, like, to get yourself regular. Let's, let's get you, you're asking, you're telling me this is what you want. I'll tell you how to get there. You know, you gotta do it though, you know? And so that's been like helping someone along with that is, and I know that I have, you know. Like, this is something that I need to do. You know what I mean? I feel like it's, uh, and it comes to me naturally. So that's been like this whole process of where my head was at in 2019. Eventually this will grow into like, I'm on, do retreats with our saunas and our cold plunge, and we're gonna do breath work and we're gonna sit around to fire and we're gonna fucking cry a little bit, man. You know what I mean? And we're gonna do some things and it's gonna be, feel like tough work, getting real, but it's not, it's the most freeing, um, of anything. And, and I, and I live in that these days. It brings me, uh, like I could get emotional thinking about it'cause it's come easy for me. You know? That part is, uh, you know, the big part of my, uh, journey here has been a lot of accountability, you know?

both of us 43:26

Mm.

Leif Kjorness 43:27

And learning to, uh, you know, this is forever work, I think. You know, but at the same time, just forget, uh, forgiving yourself for one. You're human and you're allowed to make mistakes and fuck up, and it's, you didn't fail, you fell and you got back up. It's just a little, you know, um, you know, it's, uh, people, if they can all settle into this and just get themselves calm.'cause Tami, that was it, you know? Um, getting, just starting the breath work and using the monitor, right. Because that was real cute, you know?'cause I could watch it go into red and I was like, oh, you know, the panic ensued. Right? I was like, so, so I'm flipped that over. Okay. And then I, I'm like, yeah. And by the way, when I do that, I flip it over and I'm watching my watch and like, you know, and I go a couple, I turn around and it's been green the entire time, right? Yeah. I'm like, and I feel that now when I'm just out without it, I can regulate really quick, you know?

Dr. Tami 44:26

Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 44:27

Right. Yeah.

Dr. Tami 44:28

cause it builds interception, it builds this ability to know our internal nervous system state, and that is everything. Mm-hmm.'cause our consciousness, our energy, it is our greatest gift. It's the greatest asset we have to be directing and creating in our lives with. And if Yeah. If we don't have it to man, like if we don't have access to it, if we don't have an understanding of it and an appreciation of it. And skills for directing it. Yeah. Right. We don't get to. Create the lives that we want. And we know that there's a part of us that knows that we're supposed to and knows that we're capable of it. Because look at how far, like, honestly, Leif, what you had built before we started working together was absolutely magnificent.

both of us 45:14

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 45:14

Like your ability to drive to, to, to your ambition and your vision for your life has always been big.

both of us 45:22

Mm-hmm. Right?

Dr. Tami 45:23

Yeah. You just needed a different energy source. Yeah, for sure. You just needed a way to direct your, your consciousness and your energy in a way that was like aligned with you thriving. Yeah. And, and when we were able to do that, and as we keep doing that, the results are absolutely fabulous. It's just beyond, beyond. Well,

Leif Kjorness 45:42

yeah. I can laugh about it at times. I just like, you know, I gave, I gave a little giggly about it, uh, when good and bad, you know, like, oh, you know, yeah. I can point it all out and, um, I, I will track it. I know where my head was at during. So I pay attention, you know, and I think that's, uh, yeah. You know, we all gotta be willing to do some dirty work, you know, on ourselves for sure. Know my gosh. You know what I mean? And that's, uh, you just, it's, uh, I mean, I, in my personal, when you say

Dr. Tami 46:14

that, can I ask you a question? Yeah. When you say being willing to do the dirty work Yeah. Does that, would you say that part of this process, part of like the dirty work that was, that is what this work has been?

both of us 46:25

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 46:26

Would you say part of that would be like really just. Respecting that initial phase of the process where it really is like rebalancing the nervous system and like detoxing from the biochemicals of stress that have been running the show. Because let's not forget, our audience doesn't know this. When you first reached out to me, you were actually having panic attacks. You were, I

Leif Kjorness 46:48

think I was having, yeah. I mean, talk about, uh, uh, not, um, not, no, not a very coherent state. I would say. I would think, uh, a lot of

Dr. Tami 46:59

static. A lot of static.

Leif Kjorness 47:01

I felt like my okay, my hair was growing, my ears were burning. I, you know, I felt like though were growing. I think, uh, you know, I think, uh, there was some very, uh, tightness in the neck area and, you know, as, uh, I think I was un I was ready for, um, some unpacking, uh, you know, outside of talk therapy Yeah. That I had been doing for shit, what I, five years, you know, when we, when we started doing this. So I think it was just like. Uh, that day it was like, goes down and infamy for me.'cause I can remember exactly how it just like came onto me as a sense. And then we tracked this a little bit. You and I just recently was like, you know, that was the first time I was gonna go home, um, to an empty house in a unfamiliar town, to nobody that, you know, in a sense I was gonna be, I was gonna be alone. And I didn't really think about it until I had, uh, an experience where I thought it came to me like you are. I was literally, I've surrounded myself with people. So, like, for me personally, it was to be like, you, you, this can only be done by yourself bro. You know? And so doing the dirty work is of many things. Yeah. Uh, getting into a ritual of doing breath work where you think you, you know, you're worried about how you look doing it, where you're like, that is, this is weird. Do I like. So you second guess these things because mm-hmm. Of our conditioning and like, I was just, uh, taught and raised in a way of just, uh, go keep driving and go right through, you know, until you drive to the ground, you know?

both of us 48:39

Mm-hmm. And

Leif Kjorness 48:40

the lights go up. Um, so it was the, I think the dirty work has a, it's a lot of just, you have to get real with yourself on many levels. And if people, I just had this the other day with, um, you know, you know, yeah. You're so phony in this, you know, someone that, you know, I've. I say, okay, you know, my, you know, just as we, we are great friends, you know, and my ex-wife, you know, is such a great mom and all these things, but the frustration, we just have normal things. We're brother and sister and a step. Mm-hmm. It's been almost 30 years we've been in each other's lives. Right. So it's like, yeah, there's some frustrating things. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. Of course I liked it with your sister, you know, as she, like, she is, I bite back and I'm just like, fuck, you know, it's gonna pass and we're fine. Okay. You know, but these little, again, the triggers that come out through all this, right? Mm-hmm.

both of us 49:35

And,

Leif Kjorness 49:36

um, but getting real with yourself and who. Like you, you want to be, and that's dirty work. You know? That's, uh, yeah, that's accountability. That's calling yourself out sometimes, you know, when fucking you don't want to, you know? So yeah, that to me was dirty work for sure. Um, for sure. And it's like that is where this all has to, and this one quote always sticks out to me. And I always say this, I just, uh, said it to, uh, my partner the other day was just, uh, true growth only happens when we're tired of our own shit. You know, it is just that, it's like it can't be, it's more, it's, you know, duh. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. So when that happens for everybody, um, who they're surrounded by I think is important. You know, like this buddy of mine that reached out to me, it's important that he feels and tells me that I've always been someone he can, will guide him through something. And this has been through my partying days, through years and years of like, you know, just so like, I know it comes out naturally and,

Dr. Tami 50:41

oh, you're a natural leader, you

Leif Kjorness 50:43

know? And so, yeah, I have no doubt that

Dr. Tami 50:45

you are going to change so many lives. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 50:47

Thank you. That's nice.

Dr. Tami 50:49

No, it's, it's, I'm not being nice.

Leif Kjorness 50:52

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 50:52

I'm not like there's zero niceness in it because it's just the truth. Yeah. It's just the truth that you already have changed so many men's lives and you will continue to do so. Thank you. And you're a natural leader. You're, you've got this like really strong masculine energy, but you match it mm-hmm. With a heart of gold.

Leif Kjorness 51:12

Thank you.

Dr. Tami 51:12

And with compassion and understanding. Yeah. And I feel like when we have those things, when we can understand, I think this is also a gift of our work together, is I. I have such a respect and reverence for the way the human mind develops for Yeah. For how we're shaped and how we end up this way.

both of us 51:33

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 51:34

And that it doesn't require any shame or blame. And we get to see these pieces and respect and honor them for why they're here. Yeah. And, and truly respect the human that we are as we journey in this and evolve like into who we want to be.

both of us 51:53

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 51:53

And it's work we get to do. It's like the greatest privilege of a lifetime. This generation, there has never been a generation more equipped to do this work than this one.

Leif Kjorness 52:01

Yeah. Well, I mean, sometimes you gotta go through the shit to get to the fresh water. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. It's, uh, and so all of that, that's the dirty work and I just, I love it. And it is, it's. The small wins and it's, it's able to be, I'm, you know, I, I think you know this too about me, as I've, I've come into, and we've talked pretty extensively about it, of, uh, just the whole, the, the presence of our time. Just time period. Just, you know, you know, I wish I could stop time, you know, and I know, excuse me, I know we all do, but like, when you can slow your, when you can slow down time, then I'm telling you I can feel it. And when it happens for me is where it's like, it's this kinda shit. It's speeding up here in these woods. It's like I'm alone and I'm like, I'm gonna go build some things. And this lady was, this old lady is like, well, who's gonna help you? And I'm like, well, I've got Bruce, you know, uh, the black lab. So between the two of us, I think we're gonna be able to handle it, you know, and I'm standing these walls and, and she's like. Okay. You know, I'm like, but I, uh, love doing things alone, you know, in a sense of, I love my being with my partner, like being, and having that close to me, of course. But it's like, uh, when you can enjoy yourself. Now, I will say I've run out of things to talk about with Bruce right now because we've been together for like a week and he's getting sick of my conversations, but I, uh,

Dr. Tami 53:37

I doubt it. I'm sitting there. Bruce, Bruce is just a continual little love bug. I think Bruce is down. I'm,

Leif Kjorness 53:42

I'm be honest to God, I'm sitting there and I'm like, well, Bruce, uh, we're gonna have this little snack and then we're gonna go out and get building, uh, get back to work. And he's just like. You know, his thing is like, are you gonna throw the ball again? You know? Um, so it's like I, uh, getting present, you know, I'd have this with, with my daughter, you know, she's going to college. I, I like, this really stopped me in my tracks when I was building the sauna, Bemidji, all of these little things that I pick up as signs and just pay attention to, I'm, I'm grateful I have that. Um, I can, I can, I can be aware of things that are coming to me, and that's been an easy thing for me. Um, so you have, I I think that's been a play a played a big role in this too, is just like being able to go, oh my God, she's 16 in two years she's gonna college. Well, guess what? That's. Four months, you know, away. Yeah. And so like, we were, we were just hanging out the other day and we grabbed lunch real quick. We went to the storage locker and grabbed some of their stuff and we, we come out of them like, well, should we grab lunch? It's like one 30. This kid that's got nothing to do with a week of school left. She's like, you know, just gearing up. And I'm like, I see this like, uh, younger. I'm like, I can't. I'm such a sap. I'm sitting there. And I was like, okay, so what's the next plan for college? You know, like, where, where do you, you know, I'm like, I'm tearing up every fucking time I talk about her graduating or anything. And I'm like, holy shit. Okay. All right, wait, I gotta stop. She's like, yeah. And I'm like, I'm sorry.

Dr. Tami 55:17

Like, you're such a phenomenal

Leif Kjorness 55:19

man. Oh man. It's so funny. You know, even in times where. Um, you know, you want your kids to believe, uh, you know, you want them to see who you, you know, who you want them to think you are, right? And all these things. And, um, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's hard when you've, it's, it's hard letting go of the, of the thing where, and I actually don't feel this way, but it's hard to let go of something when you're, when you're, uh, like your child, like this. And I don't feel I'm letting go of her. That's so, that's interesting for me to say this, but it's like, it's part of that's actually happening a little bit, you know, and you're like, wow, she's gotta, she's gotta go do her. Like, but you know damn well that I told you this too. I've been practicing this for about 18 years and nine months since I found out we were having a girl. So like, letting go of this has been, um, letting her do her thing and just trust in her decisions. It's like, I want that's. Some pretty magical shit going on, you know? Yeah. And, uh, and I love that, and I'm so proud of her, you know? I mean, she's a, she's a smart kid, you know, and, uh, so yeah. All these things I, I can slow down and be grateful for, you know? Yeah. Instead of having anything, any thoughts of bad or worry or anything? No. Um, I raise a pretty badass kid if I'm, I'm not worried about her safety really, you know, so she's tough,

both of us 56:46

you know, and, uh, she's tough. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 56:48

Yeah. And I mean, of course, I, I, I say that lightly, but you know, I just, I know, uh, I gotta put my trust into her, and I've been working on it for 18 years and nine months, so here we are.

Dr. Tami 56:59

I'm curious in the time that we've been together Yeah. Doing this work. Are there any results? Are there any outcomes? Have you experienced something that you're just like, that, that rocks, like, that blows my mind that this is a byproduct of the

Leif Kjorness 57:16

work? Well, I think we talk about this weekly for the last three years. That's what's happened. So, yeah. To, uh, holy shit. Uh, but

Dr. Tami 57:25

our audience doesn't get to, doesn't get to hear us all the time. Yeah, right,

Leif Kjorness 57:29

right. So, okay. We, uh,'cause pretty

Dr. Tami 57:31

much life becomes a magic car ride when you do something

Leif Kjorness 57:34

well. So you go, um, you know, it's sometimes

Dr. Tami 57:38

bumpy, but it, but it, but we always realize, well that's more because epicenter.

Leif Kjorness 57:43

Yeah. Like,

Dr. Tami 57:43

this is kind of what you mean. I think when you're talking about the messy work, it's owning that we are the epicenter.

Leif Kjorness 57:49

Yeah. It's, there's tons of, there's, there's tons of accountability and I think it's just sums it all up. The dirty work is the accountability that you need and self-reflection that it all comes from here and it's inward. But I will, I do have one question for our Audi audience. Your audience, and you. So even when you feel, um, as, uh, the energy you're putting out, like, like, no, I'm not putting that energy out, but it's like, that's kind what I'm getting. Okay? Mm-hmm. So where, where do you, where, so it's hard to sometimes decipher at for me, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, okay. I, I, you know, because I have to believe in my genuine intentions and I know where they're coming from. And then, um, and we just talked about this, right? So

Dr. Tami 58:38

yeah, how

Leif Kjorness 58:41

do we,

Dr. Tami 58:42

there's two, there's two layers to that, right? Okay. Yeah, yeah,

both of us 58:45

yeah.

Dr. Tami 58:45

So one layer is the conscious mind that we're creating with that, that we. The thinking mind, right? Yeah. That we're, that we're directing. Mm-hmm. So we have a conscious and a subconscious mind. Right. Consciousness is much bigger. Right. That's there's super conscious, conscious subconscious. Yeah. The conscious mind that we, that we think is running the show is really only about 5% Okay. Of what we're running with.

Leif Kjorness 59:10

Yep. Yep.

Dr. Tami 59:11

The subconscious mind is running 95% of the show.

Leif Kjorness 59:15

Right.

Dr. Tami 59:15

And this is why this kind of dynamic is so important because when we're creating something, when we, when we're like, you know, this is the energy I want. Yeah. Yeah. Have reflected back to me, this is the energy that I've been working with.

both of us 59:30

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 59:30

And when I have something show up in my life, it's really helpful to work with somebody who's into the, who understands the mind, because then they can help you go, you know what? But this is still a little bit of like, is this a little bit of a lagging indicator? Is it the residue? Sure, sure. Okay. Of childhood patterning or something that Right. Just,

Leif Kjorness 59:52

yeah. I got you. Subconscious. Yeah,

Dr. Tami 59:55

subconscious. And then the other thing is that there's a lag time. Sure. Actually, there's three things I wanna talk about. This is such a good question. I love this question.

Leif Kjorness 1:00:02

Yeah. The

Dr. Tami 1:00:03

second thing is, there's a lag time between like the energy that we put out.

Leif Kjorness 1:00:07

This is the detoxing part, kind of the

Dr. Tami 1:00:09

de right? Yeah, yeah. It's the predominant energy. Sure. Over time, that gets reflected back to us. So we're shifting our energy, we're moving into a new recalibrated emotional set point. Yeah. And we're like, okay, where's the, like where's the feedback? Yeah. That reflects this. Right. And sometimes the, the way that the universe works, because it's shapes like literally shape, shifting the energy to meet you, there is a lagging, there's just leg time. Yeah. The other thing, well, that fucking thing that I wanna mention is we fucking Time

Leif Kjorness 1:00:44

is a son of a gun. I tell you,

Dr. Tami 1:00:45

it's, and that's why it's helpful to work with somebody that helps you hold your energy and your attention while mm-hmm. While you ride that wave. Yeah. Yeah. While you ride the, the feet. Well, I'm back leg time. Yeah. I'm glad I asked you this. Let me a, let me, let me mention the third one that we don't talk about enough, I think. Yeah. And I wanna start talking about this more just in general, but that we aren't solo creators. Mm-hmm. We are co-creators. Okay. And so we, that's why we can't just shape shift like all of society, right? Sure.

Leif Kjorness 1:01:18

Yep.

Dr. Tami 1:01:19

We want to start building a movement that shifts mass consciousness, because we're all co-creating. Right, right. I got you all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's consensus. Creation. Yeah. This is what Naem Harriman. Yeah. One of my favorite, I think he's gonna win a Nobel Prize. He is a, he is a nuclear physicist. Um, but he, he's also a snowboarder, but he's, yeah, I was gonna say, that's it. Super cool. He's like a wicked smart guy, and he talks about there's consensus reality, and that we, we are co-creators that the amount of, like, we, I love how he says this. We are a non-trivial event that the chances that human beings even exist mm-hmm. Is something like 10. The fact that one human cell exists right, is something of an order of magnitude of 10 to the 8000th. Exponent. Okay. Yeah. So that's, that's a, that's a one with 8,000 zeros after it.

Leif Kjorness 1:02:30

Yeah. Okay. Numbers, I, that's a lot.

Dr. Tami 1:02:31

Numbers I

Leif Kjorness 1:02:32

don't get,

Dr. Tami 1:02:33

so lemme just for context. Yeah, yeah. The, the, the size of the universe in centimeters, which is really small mm-hmm. Is 10, is one times 10 to the 28th.

Leif Kjorness 1:02:46

Okay.

Dr. Tami 1:02:47

Okay.

Leif Kjorness 1:02:48

Got it.

Dr. Tami 1:02:49

The probability that one human, there, human cell exists

Leif Kjorness 1:02:52

Yeah. Is

Dr. Tami 1:02:53

8,000 zeros. Right. 28 zeros is the, is like the, is how big the universe is right now.

Leif Kjorness 1:02:59

Got it.

Dr. Tami 1:03:00

8,000 is the chance that one cell, and then think of all of the cells that make us make up. Right. There's 75 to a hundred trillion cells in the human body.

Leif Kjorness 1:03:09

Right? Yeah. Each

Dr. Tami 1:03:11

of those, the chance that each of like, so the fact that humans even exist

Leif Kjorness 1:03:16

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:03:17

Defies all probabilities. It's enough to

Leif Kjorness 1:03:20

wrap around the year three times. That's what Wim Hof taught me.

Dr. Tami 1:03:24

It's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. In one, in one body, we are,

Leif Kjorness 1:03:27

yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:03:28

The amount of energy that we direct

both of us 1:03:31

right. With

Dr. Tami 1:03:32

our mind

Leif Kjorness 1:03:33

mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:03:36

Is massive.

Leif Kjorness 1:03:40

Just if I could get that iced tea to come over here and fill up my glass right now, you know what I'm saying? That's,

Dr. Tami 1:03:45

yeah. You want next level Jedi tricks, right?

Leif Kjorness 1:03:48

Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to master levitation here, sister. Okay. Hey,

Dr. Tami 1:03:53

you know, the autobiography of a yogi would tell

Leif Kjorness 1:03:56

you you're pretty close. Yeah, no doubt. I know. I mean, it's just fascinating. So thank you for answering that because that, that makes, uh, um, it's something I was just kinda kicking around after we were talking, you know, last week or one of these last times was just as, you know, we looked for, I'm like, I know damn well we're, I like, I had zero ill intentions here. You know what I mean? So, and there is, it's just like. So I guess what it made me come back to was think how much less this shit is happening in my life. You know? It's like, it's, it's just, you know, there's things that, I mean, oh yeah, we gotta

Dr. Tami 1:04:33

look at progress. Right? It's really so important.

Leif Kjorness 1:04:35

Yeah. So that was a, and again, you getting me to look at just point, so this is so silly. I'm almost, it's almost, it's like you can, almost can, I'm at the point where I can almost be embarrassed to admit this. It's like, look at, you know, just to like, look at everything, oh, this is just a bad situation. Or just what you know. Uh, and just going, wow, that's, uh, it's not, you know, it's really not. It's really not. And just the progress of going and just recognizing progress. Right? Something that was hard for me to do, like receiving love, like just, uh, if, uh, receiving compliments and thinking I was being arrogant if I said thank you or, you know, like my, yeah. I really appreciate that. And actually feeling that and believing it. Yeah. Thank you. I fucking have been working hard on that, you know what I mean? Uh, man is that self-love. Okay. Like, well we can bring that, um, that felt weird to me, you know? How sad is that? And uh, you know, getting someone to understand that like, um, it's the, the negativity. So we put so much energy into anything negative we say about ourselves or anyone else. Like, ish get it, you know, go away. Yeah. I'm over that. I

Dr. Tami 1:05:49

think it's just so helpful to realize it's optional. I. It's a choice. Remember when I came to that realization myself where I was like, it's, it's just optional. Yeah. And when I know that, yeah. It's like, well now I have the PI have the power of conscious choice. I know. So without being aware, without that awareness, and this is what I love about using like the coherence training device that we use, is it expands your awareness. It expands your consciousness and what so much, so much research is now telling us. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Is that the brain? Yes. It's a generator of thoughts, but more likely than not, it's a receiver of thoughts.

both of us 1:06:31

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:06:32

From the field. Yeah. And that the nervous system state mm-hmm. Determines the brainwave state, which determines the thoughts we receive.

Leif Kjorness 1:06:42

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:06:44

Whoa. Next level. Yeah. I mean, so as we get coherent, as we move out of this chronic stress Yeah. Sympathetic nervous system state, and we move into parasympathetic dominance and we're becoming coherent. Right. We're like leveraging these amazing little 40,000 neurons around the heart. Yeah. Oof. There's superpower, there is powerhouse. What is happening here,

Leif Kjorness 1:07:06

right? Sure. And,

Dr. Tami 1:07:07

and

Leif Kjorness 1:07:07

exactly.

Dr. Tami 1:07:08

It literally shifts how the brain works.

Leif Kjorness 1:07:12

It's funny because, do you know, uh, okay. Another just, uh, glaring memory is sitting down to plug in to do my breathing and to get the, the, the start, right? Yeah. It's like, okay, uh, 10 seconds. Uh, um, oh shit. I'm ruminating about the, I'm like, this is, I can't believe she did. I can't believe this. I can't believe you. You know? Mm. Holy shit. The rumination that would Okay. Get back centered and, and to be able to get to a point where I can shut my mind off. You know, in a sense of just, um, and, and not go down negative spirals, the black hole, you know, I mean, that was, that was the biggest thing. That's what created the, like the literal feeling of your hair growing. This is what that all created for me. And, um, it's, uh, it's, it was amazing that I was sitting there. I was like, I couldn't get it going. And like, I lose track in five, 10 seconds. I can sit there and not, I mean, honest to God, just bounce around in there for five minutes easy. You know? It's like, and doing the Wim Hof when you started to get, so remember the moment when you were like, Leif? I think I just, you should try this. Wim Hof breathwork. Do you remember telling me about this? Yes. I was like. I was like, okay. And I did it that first, that first night I did it and I was like, holy shit, I'd like, and

Dr. Tami 1:08:40

it was like the fir it was the best night's sLeifp of your life. Yeah, yeah.

Leif Kjorness 1:08:43

No. And so like saying, and so I remember that. I know. So like, this is where my breathing. And so nowadays, like when I'm, and it's probably why it says not to drive or go in the pool or something, be swimming when you're doing this. But like, you know, I, uh, I'm, you know, doing these breath holds for three minutes with, with zero air in my lungs. And it's like, I just, I find if I say that to people and they're like, what? Talk, what do you mean? I'm like, no, like I expel all the air out of my body and I sit, sit there and I hold it and I, and I sit there

both of us 1:09:14

and I'm

Leif Kjorness 1:09:14

like, I'm telling you, this is a sense of calm and meditation that I can't believe that this body does. Okay. You're like, and I just amazing because I can look back and I can feel how that stress was in my life and I can actually that no, we are never going there again. Like, and I won't, it's like, yeah. I'm telling you, and I love that

Dr. Tami 1:09:35

you've integrated so much of this into what you do now, which is like part of what Leif does. Uh, you'll have to check him out. He's g like Excelsior son is, is gonna be doing some really cool things at a few townships there in Minnesota. Get in on it if you can. Yes, please do. Get yourself into a live experience with Leif and his team, where they guide you through really? Mm-hmm. Like the sauna experience, some breath work, meditation.

both of us 1:10:02

Mm-hmm. Some

Dr. Tami 1:10:03

guided practices. Mm-hmm. Also in the polar plunge, like doing that, the ice bath. Thing. And like the breath work, right? Because it's the breath. Yeah. It's the breath that allows you to shift your, you know, shift into a state that allows you everything to settle.

Leif Kjorness 1:10:21

Yeah. Through the winter. Do you know that we, uh, out of, uh, at back channel brewer where we're, uh, uh, currently located and we're since about December with our mobile unit

both of us 1:10:33

mm-hmm.

Leif Kjorness 1:10:34

Excuse me. Um, probably 50% of the people that came into the sauna, you know, out about, you know, few hundred people. Right. Or I'm not jumping in that fucking way. There's no way. So how cold is that? I'm like, well, the light's frozen, so it's probably about 32, 33 degrees. Right?

both of us 1:10:53

Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 1:10:53

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, good. That's science. Um, so let's do it. I'm gonna tell you, you just let me know. Um, this is the, I, I'm just gonna tell you, I, I don't really, you know. Enjoy doing it either, but it's like doing the, uh, true discipline is doing things we don't wanna do. Right? And I'm like, there's health benefits that you'll just be open to it. Go get yourself hot till it sounds good to jump in this lake. And this is the trick. I, this is honest to God. And I'm like, and if you come outta there and you feel like it doesn't sound like a good time, like you don't have to. But um, I think you should just be open to it and don't tell yourself you can't do that. And I'd like sit there and watch these people think about it and they come out and I'm not kidding you, there isn't one person that didn't get into that cold punch, you know? Um, so, so cool. 150 people that weren't gonna do it. And what's cool about it's, I'm walking down there with, I'm telling'em like, so here's now's the time to like just start taking these deep breaths in and just here relax. I'm like, just, you know, this silly brain that wants to talk you out. Everything cool? Um, uh, I was telling you it's too cold to get in this lake right now. And just, uh, you just shut that off and just like, it's not cold, you know? And it's funny'cause I put, I guess I'm bringing a little bit of like, um. You know, trying to make light of it and, and walk them down there. And by the time they get they're like, okay, I'm doing it. So I will go in sometimes as well, you know, um, because I love it. And it's, uh, it's pr I mean, it seems insane'cause it is, but you know, it's, uh,

Dr. Tami 1:12:20

yeah, well the science around it is. Yeah, I, that's right. The science around what it does for the nervous system, what it does for your biochemistry, what it does for your, I mean, phenomenal just

Leif Kjorness 1:12:30

in the morning, I mean, before a workout, what it does. So they really are saying, um, you know, like, I think it was Andrew Huberman was saying, start, you know, sauna or cold punch first. Workout and then sauna afterwards. Um, so they're saying that it's more like to constrict your muscles before your workout. And I mean, it's the getting into, so part of the thing that was, I've noticed of people, what was getting them so comfortable in this was me getting them to do these breath, these breath, you know, going, I'm like tricking these people into doing breath work to get in because even like that is, you know, that's what is going to get you through this, right? You're gonna get yourself calm when you get in there. It's like, it's not, it's not cold. It's not just, it's deep breath. You focus on that breath, you'll forget about this water, I promise. And they do. And they do. And they do it. And they sit there and well, and the analogy to our

Dr. Tami 1:13:20

life is so pertinent. It's like when we're actually doing breath work, when we're actually, this is the benefit of the device is like you get, it helps you just drop into your heart. Mm-hmm. And breathe.

both of us 1:13:31

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:13:32

And it helps you do that. And now like I. Quite literally, like,'cause there's pain, right? There's mm-hmm. There's an experience of pain when you get into like, really frigid water, right? Like, there's a sensory experience. But so many times when, especially people that start to work with me, right? They're experiencing discomfort. Like, p life can feel painful. Sure. And as we drop into the heart and as we breathe, it's like, it's not that bad.

both of us 1:13:58

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:13:58

It's, it's truly like we realize'cause we connect to something more powerful, we connect to something bigger and all of a sudden it's like distance right? Makes everything seem smaller. Like we just gain perspective, we gain some distance and all of a sudden we, we realize how, how much energy, how much strength is like really here that we get to work with. Yeah. It's massive. It's big. Oh Leif, this has been amazing. Yeah. Anything, do you think there's anything, is there anything you'd wanna say to this audience? Um. About working with me, about reaching out to me if they're feeling anything like a pull right now. Like they've heard us talk. Mm-hmm. And they're like, okay, if this guy could like, truly overhaul his life in just three years. Right? Yeah. He, he shifts out of one business. He builds another one. He's in the process of building another run, right? Mm-hmm. A personal brand coaching practice. Like

both of us 1:14:56

it's

Dr. Tami 1:14:56

all lining up, you've mm-hmm. You have literally created this from within.

Leif Kjorness 1:15:02

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:15:04

And they're like, okay, maybe my burnout is a breakthrough. Maybe my burnout is a sign

both of us 1:15:10

that like, there's more for

Dr. Tami 1:15:12

me. Right. That there's more to this life for me.

Leif Kjorness 1:15:15

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:15:15

Let's talk to that person for a minute. Yeah. What do you, what do you wanna say to that person?

Leif Kjorness 1:15:20

I want to that person. I, these are these people. These, this is easy, right? This is the easy thing to these, you know? Um, first off, that you are the, the. You've been the magic for me. You know, and it's, and I know you are for many people, and, and I see it, it's, it comes very naturally for you. And it, um, and I needed the, I was, I was searching and yearning for someone to, um, so you came to me at a very divine time in my life. And if people can give, uh, what I would say to that person is the burnout is the, is the blessing for sure. And I. Anything bad that's happening is, is not necessarily bad. Okay. I mean, it feels like this in the moment. And I, I can only just, I just know it as any time, and this, this comes up, that, um, it, it's, if you are capable and ready for this work that, you know, we do together, and I really hope the whole world is doing someday, you know, it's, uh, it's really, it's, it's not tough. It's, it's just tough to break old habits, you know, and it's, uh, when we can get real with that and we want genuine change our lives, it's just, that's the, that's like, and that's the goalpost. I think it's, uh, it becomes easy and it, uh. And self love, you know, is, is probably, I, I can only say, um, it seems the most awkward for me personally, and I think a lot of other people struggle with. It just mightily as well. And I can, uh, the people around me, I try to point out to that and, um, the most, and I think going inward is the hardest. That's the dirty work. It's the accountability and it seems like it's, you don't know. And when you're trying to not be hard on yourself, we need to be hard on yourself. It's like a, it's like a tricky game, but trust it is a tricky game, right? Like, how do we be

Dr. Tami 1:17:30

real without, without attacking ourselves? Well, it's because that's

Leif Kjorness 1:17:33

the ultimate skill. You wanna know how you told me this? I know it was to, it was to feel it. And that's okay. And let it fucking go now and setting it down its way because it's cute and you're fun, you know, making me feel all bad. But, um, you know, but it's like letting that go, right. Um, feeling it, acknowledging it. Yeah. And if it was on you and if it is on you, whatever part you have in it, on it and be like, I'm gonna do better next time, and it just becomes less and less. It just does. It just, it's, that's it, it just

Dr. Tami 1:18:08

fades away because it does, it's like, as we pattern disrupt and as we choose a new way of living, those old neural networks, it's all just in science, right?

Leif Kjorness 1:18:16

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:18:17

Those old neural networks, they atrophy. They, they just dwindle away.

Leif Kjorness 1:18:22

Yeah. Well it's that, as you build

Dr. Tami 1:18:23

new ones, right, right. It's,

Leif Kjorness 1:18:25

mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:18:25

It's, it's really, we're just leveraging science, but I really think it's sacred science. I think it's, yeah.

Leif Kjorness 1:18:31

Oh, for sure. It's

Dr. Tami 1:18:32

spiritual science. I think we've been designed this way. I, I think there's something deeper here.

Leif Kjorness 1:18:37

Yeah, a hundred percent. And I just, as I have, as I was thinking about this, is it just goes away. It's like the, like for me, the triggers and that I react to, or whatever it is, relationship wise, workwise, whatever, these, the less. And so always knowing that this, I, I'm still working at it and when it shows up, I'm fucking, I back and rec, I'm like, cool, thank you for showing up. And, uh, just I'm gonna do better. But it's happening less. It's like see the progress in that. So the triggers that I can't, um, that I have a hard time react, not reacting to, you know, and I realize this too, the more I give it the energy, the more, the more power I'm giving it all these things, right? So it's like. That was a good one. I just kind of came to me the other day and I was like, yeah, no, God. You know, you know, you're just like, duh. You know? Yeah. Um, so, um, but it's like this, it's like this practice. It just, I think it's been fun to be able to remind myself and see it in myself, address it and be like, okay, we don't, we don't live from that, you know, and move on. So that's been, uh, I think that gets anyone going, right? If you're capable of doing that and willing to do it, um, there's a beautiful, um, side to the, the things we think are so negative.

Dr. Tami 1:20:00

Yeah. And we get to prime ourselves for the transformation. That's what I love. We get to lean on science, right? Mm-hmm. We get to lean on how we're designed. Yeah. That optimizes our ability to shift the brain, right? Yeah. That's why I use the biofeedback monitoring device because we're training the nervous system. Sure. We're training your brain. We're literally shifting your brain state. We're literally moving your emotional, energetic setpoint. Right. We, we, we just keep now expanding our capacity Yeah. To, to do more, to be more to mm-hmm. And then ultimately have more, right? Mm-hmm. We go through like a minimalist phase and, and it's like we go through an evolution, an inward journey, and then we're evolving externally. Right. Because, because we always evolve from within.

both of us 1:20:46

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:20:47

It's, we literally are the epicenter, and so it's such a privilege and an honor to work with you. I just wanna say thank you for coming on the podcast and being my guest.

Leif Kjorness 1:20:59

Thank you and be

Dr. Tami 1:20:59

so real.

Leif Kjorness 1:21:00

Thank you. You know, for having me and, uh, making me a part of your life. It's been the greatest. Um, it's, I'm very fortunate. It's been, I love talking to you all the time, so it's like, this is, this comes very natural for me with you, and I appreciate you having me on and, um, talking about my journey through all this because it's, it's fun. It's fun to celebrate it. I, honest to God, I, it's, um, it's, I'm actually feeling at this point in my life currently right now, I can freely talk about things and it doesn't, it's not bogging me down to talk about, I'm giving it light, you know, instead of the darkness, man. I mean, that's very real. Um, so it's, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's not taking energy from me. It's, like I said, it's moving that Right, right.

Dr. Tami 1:21:49

There is a huge statement.

Leif Kjorness 1:21:50

Yeah.

Dr. Tami 1:21:51

Because that's what happens. We change.

both of us 1:21:54

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Tami 1:21:55

In the present moment, we're able to change our relationship to the past. We change the past, our past gets better and better, and our future gets bigger and bigger.

Leif Kjorness 1:22:03

Yeah. Do you know, do you know what helped me with that the most was, uh, honestly, just a simple one. The other day it was, and it's all about these things. We, you know, we say to each other, well, yeah, I failed, you know, but I'm still going. No, I fell down when I got back up and I fucking had been doing that since I was, uh, six months old. You know, like,

Dr. Tami 1:22:25

and my, my little Theo is, is such a great teacher for us, right? I'm like, this guy is just popping right back up, know's like, no problem. Yeah.

Leif Kjorness 1:22:32

You know, I just, uh, man, it's, uh, it's, it's something special, you know? So I appreciate you so much, and, um, you, you've, uh, you've made it all come easy to me. So

Dr. Tami 1:22:47

it's been an honor.

Leif Kjorness 1:22:48

Yeah. It's the best. It's been the, been a great

Dr. Tami 1:22:49

honor. A wonderful privilege. I absolutely love you. Love. I love the work. You too. You do together. Love

Leif Kjorness 1:22:54

you. Yeah. It's the best. It's uh, and I just, you know, I couldn't be more grateful, you know?

Dr. Tami 1:22:59

All right. Let's sign off with these beautiful people. Yes. And let's get ready for an actual coaching session.

Leif Kjorness 1:23:06

I can't wait.

Dr. Tami 1:23:08

We've

Leif Kjorness 1:23:08

got a big one. One, we've got a big

Dr. Tami 1:23:09

one coming,

Leif Kjorness 1:23:10

you know. Oh,

both of us 1:23:13

okay.

Leif Kjorness 1:23:14

Awesome.

Dr. Tami 1:23:17

As you know, I'm in the era of not editing and letting things be raw and real, so I hope you really enjoyed this conversation. It has been minimally, if at all, edited and. I wanted to speak to one of the things that Leif mentioned in our conversation of his early notes where he talked about BFF, and I thought this would be an awesome opportunity for you to leave here with a really valuable, tool skill. That when you implement it on a regular basis can be a total game changer. BFF stands for breathe, feel, focus, breathe. So be in BF, F is like, just take a moment to breathe. We. Practice what I call the take five, which is breathing in and out, slow, steady, like let's just slow everything down, breathing in nice and deep for a count of five, breathing out for a count of five. And we do that five times over, right? We're just breathing. And as we're doing that, we're feeling like, what do I feel right now? What is this experience that I'm having? And we're taking a moment to honor that feel what we're feeling now that we're breathing right now, we have access to the anterior cli gyrus. We have access to the prefrontal cortex where we get to direct our focus and our attention. And so now that's why the last step here is focus. Focus. What do I want to see happen next? Or who do I want to be given the givens or focus on how do I lead from this place? And oftentimes when I'm focusing, I'm like, how do I wanna tell the story later? Like, let me show up as that version of me now and then proceed. Right. Feel into that. So it's, it's like a double F, you know, triple FI guess it's like B, F, F, F. It's like focus and feel yourself into how you wanna lead next. And the reason why this is so effective as a process is because you're rebalancing the nervous system. You gain neurophysiologic alignment. You're optimizing your ability to actually shift your energy, shift your mind, and shift your actions. And in this we're not bypassing or gaslighting ourselves. The first F is like, let's just feel what's here. Let's just honor and respect this human experience from here. This is what's here. Now I'm fully resourced. Let me focus on what I wanna do, what I wanna be, what I wanna see happen next. Total game changer. So wonderful for us to be coming back to it. I know Leif and I, from that conversation, we were like, Ooh, let's take this with us. And we re enlivened it in our own lives. And so I wanted to share that with you so you can enliven this practice, bring it to life in your life. So you liberate energy, you liberate your own becoming. You get really excited about the process of implementing some really simple strategies'cause simple strategies. They work if we work them. So this is my invitation to you to get in on a really powerful, effective practice and just commit to bringing it into your life starting. Right now. I'm so glad you were here for this conversation. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Dr. Tami Talks. I absolutely love you. I believe in you. I see you. I love that we get to do this journey of life together. I'm cheering you on always.