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Ex Psychic Saved: Interview with Jenn Nizza
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Welcome back to the Let’s be friends Podcast! Today is an amazing guest, Jenn Nizza; you may know her as ex-psychic saved.
After working as a psychic medium for many years, Jesus found her and saved her nine years ago from the New Age. She is a published author, “Psychic to Saved.” With a vast online ministry, she exposes the deception of the new age while sharing the gospel. Jenn is a Long Island native, a devoted mom to her daughter Cara, and a loving wife to her husband, Jason. Her new book is coming out soon, called Out Of The New Age and Into The truth!
During our conversation, Jenn shared her incredible story of being saved by Jesus Christ. We discuss many things, including what psychic abilities are, how demonic possession shows itself, New Age deception, the danger of tarot cards, astrology, and mediumship, Jenn’s Christian upbringing and how she strayed from it, anxiety and eating disorders, shadow people, the truth about white light, how she found Jesus, the power of prayer, online trolls, and how to be delivered and saved.
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Become my friend. Um, it would be amazing. I love you all, and I'm excited for all the amazing things to come because I know me and I'm such a dreamer. I'm always coming up with new things, so I'm sure that the membership is only gonna grow in what I'm offering and become even more amazing. So let's be friends! All right, let's dive into the episode. Welcome back to the Let's Be Friends podcast. With us today is an amazing guest, Jen Nizza. You may know her as ex-sychic saved. After working as a psychic medium for many years, Jesus found her and saved her nine years ago from the new age. She is a published author, Psychic to Save, with a vast online ministry where she exposes the deception of the New Age while sharing the gospel. She is a Long Island Island native. She's a devoted mom to her daughter Cara and a loving wife to her husband Jason. Her new book is coming out soon called Out of the New Age and Into the Truth. Welcome, Jen.
SPEAKER_00Hey, thank you for having me, Kara. It's so nice to be with you today.
SPEAKER_01Thank you so much for coming on. I I'm so excited to have you here. I first saw your reels on Instagram. My friend uh Lori, Voice of Love Within, uh directed me to you because I also was saved from Jesus out of the new age, um, not nine years ago last winter, but I also had been channeling and realized I had quote unquote psychic abilities, aka fractures for Satan to come and deceive me. And so I would deceive other people. And so I loved like your reels came to me as I was slowly really realizing, oh, black magic bad, white magic bad too. Oh my gosh, tarot cards, absolutely bad. Like you're, you know, and so thank you for for your online ministry. It's reaching people.
SPEAKER_00Oh, all glory to God. Always, it's amazing how he uses our stories um to reach people. Um, and especially in that kind of spiritually vulnerable position. That's kind of what I'm hearing you say. Like you were in this kind of spiritually vulnerable uh spot, and I was in a similar spot. And um, I would have loved somebody to have shared the truth with me or seen videos like that or read books that um share uh similar stories and experiences because I was in a time when I first cried out to Jesus to actually being saved. It was just under a year. And so after I first cried out, I know we didn't get there yet, but I'm just but after I first cried out to Jesus, I didn't really understand the experience. So I was really vulnerable. And um, and when you're in that spot, that's where the enemy is working even harder over time. I truly believe that to keep you where you are and to keep you in bondage to sin and the new age, which is completely demonic, the occult.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Just like Anton LeVay, the founder of The Church of Satan, says the new age of Satanism rebranded. Absolutely. Right. And it they they come at you when you're vulnerable. Amen, girl. Like absolutely, because I experienced an awakening in 2020 where I realized that this world wasn't what I thought, that we'd probably been indoctrinated in school, and maybe there was a fake news, and it slowly kind of crumbled down around me, and I was like, oh my gosh. And I think that that kind of people start feeling it's like an enlightenment, you know. And I had been on a quest for enlightenment for decades, doing psychedelics, being deceived by the spirit world. So I was vulnerable, and then I fell into a new age group and started doing moon ceremonies and moon magic and manifestation and things that never had been in my life before, because I was looking for like-minded people that also saw that something was off in the world. And I absolutely agree with you that Satan comes at you when you're vulnerable for sure.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. It reminds me of just being a child when our parents used to say, be careful who you hang hang out with, like, right? Because you're really having these experiences. You're really having supernatural, paranormal experiences, and you're looking for an explanation, or you are seeking and you're looking for an explanation. And once and and the new age is happy to provide you with many false explanations and lies, but you're just looking for answers. So you grab on it's it's attractive, it's alluring, it's seductive, and it pulls you in. Um, and that's why there's such a huge caution and warning. And it always comes down to God or the devil. Yes, yes, that's right. Light or dark. So, what group are you gonna hear from? Um, yeah, you know, and yeah, the same with me. I I fell into um the new age, and those things were really happening to me, and I wanted to know what was going on. Yeah, but because I got so attracted to tarot card readings at the age of 13, I had my first tarot card reading, that's where I went. I started seeking it out after that. I was pulled in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. I and you're totally right. Tara was one of the first things uh 10 years ago that came into my life, and I was good at it. Naturally, you know, they make you think you're gifted. Like you say in your book, I was 100% certain I had a gift from God. Um, you said you know your psychic abilities, like you said, they started when you were young. You were 12 years old, you start having premonitions. You want to explain a little bit what that was like for you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was it was really confusing, honestly, because I had these, I had these dreams, these visions, and they were not, you know, you know, world events. They were just these kind of little events and little things, and they came true. And I was like, gee, that's weird. I just dreamt about that. I just, you know, and and I just want to make you know it clear that's not a dream from God. Just saying. Yeah, that's not not what he's doing. Okay, not what he's doing. Um, but uh no, because I don't want to be confusing to people. Some people try to go, hey, but maybe you were just a prophet and uh you used it um incorrectly or for the devil. And any psychic ability is not prophecy gone wild. Okay, put that out there, putting that out there, you know.
SPEAKER_01That's a good one, prophecy gone wild. I like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So I was just kind of I was mystified, that's what I was, and um and I left it there. And then at 13, mom brought in a I always hate, I feel like I'm throwing her under the bus every time I say mom, but it's just the truth. Love mom, mom is uh saved, thank God, hallelujah, hallelujah. Yeah, but she um she did. She had she had a tarot card reader come in the house, and I had my first reading at 13, and then it was kind of like, oh, more mysticism. How did she know this? How did the cards know this? Right. And again, like, you know, not like profound uh predictions and stuff, but things that were accurate, information that was accurate, and things that came true. And that became um, I walked right through that open door. That was I believe the demonic door was open prior to that, and that's because it was so acceptable in my home.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00But this was me really making that choice, that contract with those demons, saying, okay, now I'm in. I'm I want more of this. I'm gonna go get readings, I'm gonna seek this out. Yeah, and that's giving the legal permission right there.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yes. And that's important to sit to mention the legal permission because God gave us free will, just like Eve, you know, ate that fruit in the garden. Like we the devil's gonna come and tempt you, and he's gonna try to get you. And once you get a little, you know, you hit hooked. And when you were talking about your premonitions in your book, you say, My next premonition shot through me like a shot of lightning with the clarity of a full color poster, the size of my bedroom door. I was back. It was back, and I was back. It was still unpleasant and again created a terrible sense of dissatisfaction in my soul, but at the same time, I loved it. It was mine.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Yep, absolutely, 100%. Um, it goes back to what you were saying before. The enemy presents this to you, you know. When people, the first deception is that you think it's a gift from God, right? And people think that because something really uh supernatural is happening. It's if you want to call it a gift, it's a gift from Satan. And what he does is he he he packages it up, all his lies, his deception. He packages his lies in like a box that's wrapped in Tiffany wrapping paper, you know, like pretty blue with this white ribbon. And here's something for you you're special, you're gifted, you're valuable. And uh listen, that's pride. That is pride that hits us with pride. Now I know that sounds really, you know, people all about negative and positive. I mean, listen, pride is pride, and here's the deal: you could be somebody like myself at those times. I was very insecure. I had self-esteem issues, I had low self-worth. And now here he comes, and demonic um attacks are different for each person. They're personal, they are personal. Yeah, and he knew where to get me, you know what I mean? And here you go. Oh, and now people, you you have something, you're valuable, you're helping people. Yeah, you're one of the good guys, and that's you know, always where we go back to Satan masquerades as an angel of light. That's right.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_00It's no wonder that his servants would do the same. Yeah, because you really think you're doing great stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you're really helping people, yes, and you really wanted to, you really want to, you know. Absolutely, no, absolutely. I girl, I get it. I get it so much. And you do, you think you're gifted, you think you have a gift, and it you're I love how you say it comes to you like wrapped in Tiffany wrapping, but then you open it up and it's these strongholds that come within you. You're you're there, there's a sacrifice for to these gifts that Satan gives you, and it's a piece of your soul, and he chisels you down. Um, you know, possession. You say possession is the slow erosion by demons and evil spirits of the person's free will that God has bestowed on human beings from creation, you'll be obliged to carry out the dictates of Satan and his demons. You're literally signing a contract with the devil.
SPEAKER_00I could it it makes me so emotional that I was um so deceived and so wrapped up in this. It's so ugly, it's so evil. And and like you said, yeah, you're signing that contract. And the thing is this no matter what it looks like, and I strongly encourage your audience to not pay attention to what the people on TV, I'm not gonna mention names, but the psychic mediums on Netflix, on um, you know, other networks, TLC. I don't know what we can say here, but you know what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_01I've got names in my head. Yeah, the people who received me in 2020. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_00And it they look great. It looks like things are going great for them. Life is good. You don't go home with them. And regardless, we serve a very patient God. We see that in the book of Job. We serve a patient God, but the wicked will get what they deserve. So whether the destruction happens in whatever ways, um now, 10 years from now, it's eternally going to separate you from God, and that's a battle for your soul. So it's not even about how many times you're anxious or depressed, or if that person looks like they're not suffering at all, they are going to pay the price. That's the truth. Yeah, that is the truth.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. No, totally. And that was a big thing that I learned when I was saved this uh winter. It doesn't, I mean, it for me, it was a process of remove being delivered and having those strongholds removed because you really Satan's not, he's gonna leave you alone. If you're pushing the new age forward, you're pushing the Luciferian labyrinth forward, you're doing you're doing his bidding and his work, he's gonna leave you alone, and you're gonna think your life is what you're doing is just fine. The moment you walk away and you want to expose the kingdom, those strongholds that were placed inside of you, when you contracted over to Satan for those gifts, he's gonna use those strongholds to attack you. And for me, that was suicide ideation was the biggest one and depression. So it's yeah, it was a it was uh, and you know, and and it's only strengthened me and made me more stronger and more powerful now as a warrior for God because God delivered me from all of that. He removed all of that from me. But I can see looking back the agony that I went through for decades. I mean, I was misdiagnosed bipolar for a decade. I I had voices all the time in my head. I thought these were demons. I was seeing the spirit world. I was super, I'm super sensitive. They come at the sensitive ones because Satan knows he can manipulate us. And yeah, so but but girl, I I I've since I've been delivered, like I don't get those attacks. Like, that doesn't come to me. And Jesus and the Holy Spirit is the only thing that heals us. And I did ayahuasca, I did psychedelics, I took 30,000 pills I never needed that were prescribed me. I went to rehab, I did group therapy, I did all the self-help measures, I tried everything. You don't heal yourself, you have to have the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_00Amen. Amen. Absolutely. And the good news is the gospel sets us free, the gospel saves everybody. Whether you even we don't see possession, I mean, that often, but even the possessed person, the gospel, that's what they need, the gospel. And and you know, it is important to say, listen, once we are set free from the bondage to sin through the gospel, through our salvation, um, after that, it doesn't mean that we're not going to be attacked anymore, spiritually attacked. We can be oppressed, not possessed as Christians, but oppressed. And the Bible gives us a great balanced perspective on how to fight this spiritual warfare by putting on the full armor of God, resisting the devil, and he will flee. Stand firm in our faith, um, be alert and sober-minded, be watchful because our enemy is prowling around. So we need to be in the word daily, reading that word daily, filling our mind with truth and our heart with the truth, unlike Kara. And I'm sure you probably did this too: new age meditation. Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, girl, I every morning now, when I wake up, I put my helmet of salvation on, I put on my breastplate of righteousness, I'm carrying the sword of the spirit, which is the word. I've got my shield of faith up, and I'm standing strong in the good word, and I'm reading the gospel, and I'm have prayer and supplication to the Lord, and then I boldly speak as an ambassador, just like Paul was in chains. Isn't it amazing that Paul wrote the armor of God while he was imprisoned? And he was seeing those the people working in the prison and seeing their armor, and he thought, you know what, we need our spiritual armor because just like Ephesians 6.10 says, it's not the darkness we're fighting, it's the principalities. And that's why, you know, it's when people Satan will use different people as vessels because the spirit world is invisible. It's like the wind, it comes into them through fractures through our sensitive areas, and then it's gonna use people, but we keep our armor on, and it can't that you know, you're right. As a Christian, you can't be possessed, but you can be oppressed. So you have to, and you and our enemy is Ramathabout like a roaring line looking at whom to devour. And you've got and you've you've got, and when you meditation is so dangerous, if you do not have your mind on God, you're I had a massage last week for the first time since I've been saved. And I literally was like, okay, I'm keeping my mind on scripture the whole time I'm getting a massage because yeah, because I was just thinking, I was like, I don't want my mind to drift off open here. Is it's I was even I prayed about someone massaging me because the laying of hands, you know, you need and but um you just you have to keep your mind on God. And when I first learned that, I was like, oh my gosh, is God obsessive? Like, why does he need us on this narrow right path? Is he just like like a rude parent? And I'm like, no, it's to protect us because he loves us.
SPEAKER_00That's what I used to say. He's not an angry grandpa, he's just he wants to give us an abundant life and keep us safe and keep us on the uh living, living right because of course we have to be prepared each day to um in case Jesus comes today. I mean, I I don't get wrapped up in all those end times conspiracies and rapture things and all that stuff, but the truth is Jesus is coming back and we don't know when. So the Bible tells us to be prepared. Yes. That's just to be right with him each and every day. So walk, um, you know, be a true kingdom follower. And to do that, we need to know how to do that. So we need to know what he says in his word, and we do need to guard our eyes and our minds.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Amen. So let's let's come back to your story a little bit. Testimony, you got into the tarot. You were 12, you were having these premonitions, and you realize that you you quote unquote thought you had a gift from God, and then you got into tarot and you were 13, and you're like, Oh, another tool. And then you say in your book, I never found real peace again until I accepted Jesus in my life. The endless tarot readings brought me no contentment and no control. All it did was fuel the fire inside my soul.
SPEAKER_00That's absolutely right. In addition to the tarot, it was also the automatic writings, the astrology charts, the clairvoyance. I used to go see just clairvoyance or psychics, even in moles. I was so, you know, looking back, I didn't realize how addicted I was. And you will notice that it's a hamster wheel, and most people do get addicted to it because you are going to have to keep going. You're never going to have the peace, and you're never going to have all the answers because demons just don't know everything. They see they can report accurately what they've seen, they can predict with an amazing accuracy from studying us and watching us. It's not hard for us to do it. So imagine for a more powerful, intelligent creature, and that's what they want to do to trick us and everything else. But at the end of the day, remember, they don't know everything. So you're gonna have to keep going back because you're gonna have another question. You're gonna be unsettled again, you're gonna feel lonely or grievous.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, and the familiar spirits pretending to be our loved ones, our deceased loved ones. I mean, it's devastating, it's really horrible.
SPEAKER_01It is devastating. I one of the things that came to me when in 2020 when I had this awakening that this world is when I thought, I fell into a new age group, all by design. It's loose. I caught the Luciferian Labyrinth. I started a medium came into my life, and I had never talked to a medium before. I never believed in past lives or aliens or our mediums or any of that stuff until I fell into the new age. And and and so I started seeing a medium, and something she was just it was amazing. The things that she was saying that she knew, and it's uh and she started telling me that my great-grandfather was my spirit guide and he had led me into this world and he was with me and all this stuff, and knowing, and I was really believing it and developing a relationship. Put a picture of him in my room, and I would pray to him and talk to him and all this, and I was starting to get visions of him because and uh now that I know these are dead people, these these are these are they're not dead people, they're demons, they're not dead people, pretending to be dead people, right? Pretending to be dead people exactly because you cannot talk to the dead. That that's just it does that's not true at all, and it's just it's it it's like it makes me angry that I was so deceived, and I thought this was my grandpa, and and you can't, you just that people, it's almost like they they want people pass away or something, and they want to reconnect with them and they want to talk to them, but you can't, it's impossible, right?
SPEAKER_00And it doesn't really solve your problem of grief because you're you're still gonna have to cope with the grief until you pass. Yeah, so you're gonna have to keep going. What how is it settling anything for you when you think about it? It's not, and just hearing what you went through, it sounds like look what the demons did. Like they they got you to believe their lies, yeah, and then have you doing things that were a complete rejection of God's word and God Himself by by idolizing your grandpa, by thinking that he could switch from a human being to some sort of um higher power, um, you know, elevating him and elevating those experiences, and then going to this medium, which of course is practicing divination, which God is completely clear not to do. So this is how the devil manipulates us, but again, but you were deceived, and and you know, and so was I. And that's the whole reason why we, you know, I I praise God um for our salvation and sending us out, giving us the courage and strength to come out and share um these testimonies. Only God could change this around, only God could save you.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, amen. Absolutely. I a hundred percent agree with you. Um, but yeah, it's um the media when I learned about I think I read was it first kings, where God's talking about what he's gonna do with the astrologers in the medium, he's gonna throw them in the fire. He's like, have your astrologer save you now. And I'm like, oh my gosh. But literally, girl, once I learned started reading the Bible, the instant that I started seeing what I was doing was wrong, I repented and turned away. I I stopped doing it because I was channeling and I started channeling. What happened was I kept I was an endless search for activations. I was doing psychedelic journeys and I started connecting, I met up with these new age people, met up with a girl who would open circles. This is witchcraft before we do psychedelics. I had never done that. I never believed in that, never knew about it. She started doing this, and that's when the the real demons started coming in and upgrading me, and I would see when they would come in. And eventually I was like, I need to start channeling, I can make $120 an hour channeling. Awesome. I started doing it because Lucifer is gonna come at you with mammon, the spirit of money, another stronghold. And I started doing these channeling sessions, and then Jesus came into my life, and it just the instant he did, I every I've got to read this part in your book because it hit my heart. So when you found Jesus, and I want to tell your more of your story. Sorry, I'm jumping to the end here, but you say in an instant. You found Jesus, you say, in an instant, I was transported back to the moment of anguish when I cried out for Jesus to save me, a lost voice alone in the darkness of the evil spirit. Something profound happened to me around me, about me, and over me. And I started to cry inconsolably. I had to let it out, I had to give tears to the last 20 years of my life, lived in the shadow of the fallen angel in the company of Satan's hordes, and I cried out a long time. Jen, that happened to me too. I just start because I was sister. I didn't grow up in a Christian household, I didn't even believe in Jesus. It's a it's saying it now, I just I feel horrible. I thought he was a fictional character, the Bible was lies, I was completely deceived. But when Jesus came into my life, I had the same kind of moment where I would just start crying, even how I'm crying, like I'm tearing up right now. I just started crying and it just I realized that no, he was sacrificed, and he was sacrificed for all of us, and he's God in flesh, and everything started making sense to me. And after that instant, he's his the Holy Spirit started filling me up, and I just started seeing that everything I was doing was wrong. I that put the crystals away, I stopped doing the moon ceremonies, I like put the brakes on channeling, like done. I you can't pay me anything to do this, and and I was lost for about nine months. But then I started reading the Bible and started attending Bible study, and that, like you said, the gospel saved me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It's usually what I do when I read that part, I'm usually in tears too. Um and I can completely relate at what you know, you're you're you're giving over to those tears that that understand because you understand in a moment that you were hellbound and he rescued you. You understand that had you died as a medium as a psychic, you were hellbound, but he saved you, you know, and he saved me. And the same thing. I went home uh from that church, and the first thing I did was look up what does the Bible say about psychic mediums? I had the Bible in my house growing up. I was a little bit different. I was raised culturally Catholic, so God was kind of like this distant type of character, and Christmas was more about, you know, the food and and things like that. But um, so I never cared about the Bible. But the minute I was saved, truly accepted salvation, that's the first thing I looked for was the word of God. He led me right to the word of God. And when you see that Deuteronomy um 18, 10 to 12, come on, man, it says medium. I'm like, oh, he's speaking to me like this, and I quit my job on the spot just like you. And I think um that has so much gravity because realize people are being deceived on social media and everywhere else by psychic mediums, psychic uh counselors, intuitives, whatever they're calling uh themselves, right? Because they're saying God words and they're saying Jesus words, and some of them will even pluck out a scripture. Yeah, but you see, they have to debunk the entire Bible. Whereas you see, our stories when the Holy Spirit comes to live within your heart, he points you to the word of God, he brings you to G, He points you to the mind of Christ. Yes, there's no debunking the Bible, you're living, you're craving it, and um, you're reading it. Yeah, so it's like okay, but that's why I always say it's not seeing is believing, it's believing is seeing your eyes, the veil comes off your eyes, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yes, like Paul, like Saul to Paul. I love the story because I, you know, he gets blinded on the road to Damascus and and God takes the scales off his eyes after three days and he sees, and immediately he starts, you know, working for God and and and spreading the gospel and helping people. And I love everything Paul's written in the New Testament. I I love Paul so much. I mean, like we're too. I know, and I understand him because I blasphemized Christians. I I had no idea. I would talk about the Bible negatively, and I'd never read it.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01And the instant I started reading it, it was just like you said, God brought it to me, and I wanted more and more and more. And I just started thinking, oh my gosh, I hope I have enough time in my life to really like eat up every bit of this book because it's the best book I've ever read in my life.
SPEAKER_00And I have a degree in literary interpretation, and it's alive and it's current and it's active. And that's what's so cool. It's um it's it's current for everybody at all times, and it will it will convict and confirm um what's going on in your life, and it just net like you could read scripture um over and over and over again. And then today you read that same verse and it's like, whoa, yeah, mind blown. You know, yes, but that's but that's a big thing. But you see these, but the people just like you and I, when we were um in the occult, we weren't deferring to the Bible. And one thing demons will never lead you to do is to put all of your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and to read the entire Bible. Yes, because then you're gonna see the truth.
SPEAKER_01Yes, absolutely. That was one of the things because I started praying to God for lots of answers because, you know, like I said, I part of my journey was doing psychedelics on this endless journey. And I realized that I had a stronghold of Buddha since I was a kid. I started, I saw this picture of my mom holding me like a one-year-old baby, and there's the Buddha statue behind me, and I started having remembering, oh, we used to rub his belly. Buddha was around, and that's why these idol statues are so dangerous, and the Bible is so clear about not idol worshiping, and we one God. And so I started seeing Buddha on psychedelics. He started speaking to me and telling me all sorts of stuff for a decade. He would just appear in front of me and talk to me. And sister, the one thing he never told me, and this is like the checkmate moment that God gave me, the one thing I needed to know, the one thing was that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh and that he was our savior. And that was the one thing the spirit world never told me over decades of opportunities.
SPEAKER_00And wouldn't because God forbid, well, you know what I mean. They didn't want to lose you. They didn't want to lose you. You were doing their dirty work, you ended up and you were living in deception and under deception, and it's a battle for the soul. Yes, the devil knows his time is coming near, and he wants to drag down as many people with him, as many souls as he can. It is a true spiritual war.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, and that that's what this is all about. Yeah, the bottom of the rabbit hole. I was endlessly searching all over the place through conspiracies and all sorts of things. The bottom of the rabbit hole was literally Jesus giving me a hand and pulling me out, and that's all the answers in the Bible. And so, as you mentioned, you were raised in a Christian household, a Catholic household. And but you say, in the meantime, I remained Christian in the name alone. I never read the Bible, never went to church. Had I read my Bible or even spoken to any born-again Christian, I might have in been forewarned, but who knows? I might have also rejected the implicit criticism of my life choices as far as well as my livelihood.
SPEAKER_00That's right. And you want to know something, it really makes me think back to uh I was talking to my mother-in-law over winter time, and she shared something with me really interesting. Um, they're actually Christian. My in my father-in-law has since passed, but my husband's parents uh raised him Christian. My husband rejected any walk with Christ. Um, so of course, we met, we were like two heathens, you know, um, hell-bound heathens.
SPEAKER_01And um, yeah, no, yeah, I yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_00Um, I was too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00She, yeah, and they I think it's probably difficult when you have the family members. Um, also, we weren't married yet. So she said that she walked in one time. I was in the bedroom reading tarot cards and I shoved them under the pillow. Oh, so there must have been some sort of, you know, there are like these moments you look back on your life that maybe you know something, but without you don't bring it to like that conscious level because then you might have to confront it, your sin. Yep, but something like and I hid it from her.
SPEAKER_01And um yeah, so um but she yeah, you know, she had too so much of the Holy Spirit that just her presence, you know what I mean, made those details. Because the Satan wants us to hide things, he doesn't want us to admit things and put it out in the open.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, thank you for that, because that really um clears that up for me because I'm thinking I really didn't think anything what I was that what I was doing was wrong. I thought I was helping people, and and so, and then of course, you know, um born-again Christians get this um, they have a stigma, you know, it's a cult and this, that, and the other thing. Meanwhile, it's far from it. The real cult is witchcraft and divination.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and the word cult is within a cult.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's right.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Wow.
SPEAKER_00It's a huge problem, yeah, especially now, especially these days, especially through the use of um technology, which I always say, you know, we can't be scared of technology. Um, God is using it for his good as well, but Satan is active and current and um personally attacking people all the time with um, you know, readings. You can get readings at the click of a button. Our children, our youth. It's a it's such a plague, it's sickening. Yes, what's going on in the culture. Culture now, the cartoons, the kids' movies, the kids' stores. Um, I just uh posted, and that this is only skimming the surface, but all the stores, five below, witchcraft on a budget, you know, CVS, Barnes and Noble, Target, Walmart, whatever, they have all these toys and books and sections, and some of them are even in the Christian section. It's it's mind blowing. Yeah, the devil is is working overtime, trust me, but but so is God.
SPEAKER_01Yes, because yes, because amen, because Jesus is coming. And and you know, I think as you're saying all this, I'm like, well, we can can't, we could probably thank Harry Potter for you know a lot of this acceptance coming in because that they they take it and they normalize it and they they they put it into these movies, and and I firmly believe that movies and Hollywood was all created as mind programming machines. Like you think about the demons. Obviously, I think they brought this in through the Babylon workings a long time ago, these magic ceremonies that happened. You think about that was in 1947 when Jack Parsons and Ron L. Hubbard went into the desert and they did sex magic to try to conjure in the horror of Babylon. And then right after that, we you know it's about the 50s where the TV comes out and all these changes happen in our world. And I just think the demons obviously brought this in. They brought the technology of the phone in because the I I don't know how the phone works. I don't know how we were even talking right now through the screen. Like, you know, but I and we know that Satan is in the air and in the electricity. He Lucifer fell like lightning. Even when you were in your book, when you're talking about the apparitions, you say like the next apparition came to you like a shot of lightning. Well, sister, I've experienced moments like that. They the the enemy is using energy to come and get to us, and the enemy is absolutely the devil is rampant in social media, and um, he's sending his minions out there, these people that have these strongholds, and especially people in the new age, it's like they're endless activations. I'm saying when you get these quote unquote gifts, these spiritual psychic gifts, the strongholds are placed in you, and as end times progresses, Satan's pushing on buttons on these strongholds and people, and you can see them online, uh, you know.
SPEAKER_00Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it comes down, but it comes down to that we we we have to have an understanding of that, and it comes back to um he is allowed to do things here, so we can only combat the lies with the truth. Yeah, so God is saving people. I always play a song, God is on the move. When in my group on um my ministry, part of my ministry is doing something called lives on TikTok in the mornings, and whenever you know we share the gospel and we we we tear down these new age deception uh concepts and philosophies and whatever, and um people come to Christ, and when they make that decision for Jesus, I play that song God is on the move, and he really is in a very mighty way, he is on the move, so that's very encouraging, yeah. Um, but he does allow uh the enemy here and to do things, and and but his time is limited. Yes, it's he is gonna be chained and go to hell, yes, he is.
SPEAKER_01And yeah, I like thinking about I think it's 2 Corinthians like 7 9 talks about godly grief, where God allows certain things to happen so that we can fall to a level of godly grief. Like a lot of people like, well, how does God let that happen? Why is God so mean? It's like, well, mankind is the ones who are doing these horrible things. It was Eve that got that fruit, and Adam and Eve were the you know, the original sin came from us because God gave us free will because forced love is not love. But um, God, he, you know, I think about even the the pandemic and the the pandemic, whatever anybody's add on that. Um, and you know, hey, that's what it is. It's a pandemic. It woke me up. But at the start of it, I was terrified. But literally, it was like a catalyst that that woke me up. And I I think like I know a lot of people have gotten sick and and from all sorts of things around surrounding this. It's a real thing, it's a ugly, bad thing. But God allows sometimes these bad things to happen because I look at my life and it woke I woke me up and I became saved because of this godly grief that came within me from what was happening in the world. And I believe that some people some days I'm like, Jesus, come on, coming on your white horse today. Let's get this on. I want to go to the kingdom and settle in with my brothers and sisters at Christ. And then I have then I think, well, Cara, had that tribulation happened a year ago, you would have been going to hell. So God's giving this time right now for people to still be saved.
SPEAKER_00Um absolutely. It's all about our response to the things that happen in the world and um to these plagues and evil and suffering and all that kind of stuff. We still have a choice always as to who we're gonna pick and how to respond. And the unfortunate thing, going back to uh psychic mediumship, is that time with COVID was it became a cesspool for mediums because unfortunately, so many people were losing their loved ones and some of their final moments were being spent alone, isolated in these hospital rooms or these nursing homes or whatever. And then you have it makes me sick, honestly, because then you have some of these big uh mediums that are on TV, and they're like, oh yes, you know, your mom um was doing this in the hospital room, and these people are crying on the floor when really what they need is God's comfort, they need God's comfort to get through and endure what they have to endure. Um, grief is so difficult, and my heart goes out to people um who are grieving. And I've been through it, I've been through horrible grief before I was saved as a psychic medium and after. And it and it's horrible, it really is horrible. But the peace and freedom in Christ is immeasurable and cannot be found anywhere else. The psychics, you're gonna have to keep going back because they can't give you real, they can't give you real peace. And they're not really talking to your deceased loved one, right? So you're gonna you're gonna keep going back. Um, it's it's it's so so heartbreaking. Absolutely. It's so heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_01And you know, and it costs a lot of money to go see a psychic medium. But what does Jesus say? Come to me and I will give you pasture, I will give you peace and I will comfort you. That's free. It's free. Amen. Yep, amen.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I love that. That's right. Money, it's it's a cash cow, really. Yeah, the new age is a cash cow, and it's not a surprise because of the demonic nature of it. The love of money is the root of all evil.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Absolutely. Yeah, yep. So back to your story. So you started working as a medium, and um how uh you say at the time the anxiety that my consistent companions generated on my soul was eating away the remnants of my self-esteem and the last bit of my self-worth. I was also battling an eating disorder, which was deconstructing me as a person and the other side of my soul. I was coming close to a point of no return, that place where you hear the call of Jesus Christ for the last time before you're lost forever. What was going on in your life while you were working as a psychic medium?
SPEAKER_00Oh my goodness. Um, I was plagued with um loneliness, um, depression, um, times of depression, not chronic, but times of depression. And I had this eating disorder since I was 16 years old, and it just kept going and going. And I was um, you know, outpatient and outpatient programs and and um, you know, just always battling this identity, this value. Um, needless to say, at this point, you know, we have an identity in Christ Jesus, which is so amazing. Uh, but I didn't know that then. So, and the anxiety was I really believe from the demonic presences, the entities that were always around me. I was afraid often, like to be alone in. In my house. Oh man, my family could tell you stories. My parents used to go down to Florida and they would take my daughter, and I had to stay back to watch the animals, of course. So I didn't get to go on the trip. But I was so afraid, I would ask my sister to come stay with me. And then she and she would see the activity in the house, just things, you know, moving about, going on and off, change, whatever. But the point is that they had me where they wanted me. Um, I was afraid. But then when I would do readings and it seemed like mom and dad or someone's child, it seems okay because in the new age, you believe you can filter out spirits. There's good spirits and bad spirits and a spirit guide, but there really are demons, and you think you can control it by burning sage or having crystals or you know, doing a dance in salt uh or whatever, you know. So I would say use those things to eat and cook with. Do not they demons don't care about them, they're laughing at you. Okay, they are not afraid of sage. Okay.
SPEAKER_01You're making me laugh so hard, and and I'm all right laughing about this because I get it. I used to light sage. Like the demons are afraid of some sage. You're calling them in, you're using the elements to call them in. They're not afraid of crystals, they're afraid of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00That's it. Bottom line, shudder at the name of Jesus. They know him better than people do, they know who he is, and they are afraid of him. They are afraid of him. Yes. But you're not taught, but you know, you're not told that. Like again, you know, we got sucked into the new age deception. So I was in the new age community with all other people uh who were diviners, you know, tarot card readers, astrology, um, other psychic mediums, and what have you. And we were taught that, hey, you can imagine white light around yourself because you know, demons are afraid of your imagination, apparently, too. And you, you know, and then now you've got these people. I don't mean to be snarky about it, but it just like in hindsight, it's like, really?
SPEAKER_01I you're making me laugh so hard because I get it. Okay, I have a quote, okay. You have a quote about white light. Another common suggestion was to surround myself with lots and lots of white light. Looking back on it to me seems like such a recommendation. It must be based on a form of mental poverty. Anyone who is stripped of faith who actually thinks that bright white electrical light can be a substitute for the guidance of God, has to be a long way from salvation. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Because that's what they would say. Surround yourself with white light. Oh, I'm gonna send you white light, these Reiki masters and their white light. And what is white light? What do you think it is? I think it's I think it might have something to do with someone named Lucifer.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, and and you know, but now what they're doing, which is really um deceiving, is they're doing this Christ consciousness thing. Oh god, and they're saying, Well, but but he's light and love. And so, yes, why don't you think that that light and its frequency and energy and we can attain all of these? Oh, it's it's it's really mind-blowing. You're nowhere near salvation if you believe that you are Jesus is the one true light of the world, that is true, but he never said to imagine a white line around yourself or a white light around yourself. No, we go to him. It's but that's again the baby God, the little God um, you know, idea that you can protect yourself, you can heal yourself, you can attain anything you want, like the secret you Rhonda Byrne said you can and should have whatever you want. Right. Yep. And as long as you have the secret, and she's gonna give it to you for a million dollars and ninety-five cents, then she's gonna give you the secret, and you go out there manifesting, right? And it's just a bunch of lies. It's just a bunch of lies. All you need is Jesus. That's all we need.
SPEAKER_01Amen. That's it. Absolutely, yeah. And he's available for everybody. Um, yeah, what you're talking about, it just reminds me of Eve in the Garden of Even. The sermon's like, you will be like a God yourself. And this is what the people in the new age think. You're gods and goddesses, and you can manifest your life, and your thoughts create your reality, and you deserve this, and you can have that, and you can heal yourself and you can be Christ consciousness. You can be like Jesus. No, I can't. I can't because I'm a human being and I'm a sinner and I sin every day. And anybody who says they aren't sinning is deceived. And I can't be like Jesus, actually. It was Jesus is the all is God in flesh, and that's the only one, and that's why He was the ultimate sacrifice and payment for all of our sins. Because we go around sinning all throughout our lives, and you can have your death be the payment of your sins, and you can go to hell and Tartarus and be with the fallen angels and be tormented forever. Or you can believe in Jesus Christ and John 10:9, walk through the door of Jesus and find pasture, and his sacrifice will be the payment of your sins. I'll take that choice. Yes, and we did. Yes, we did.
SPEAKER_00Thank God for that. Thank God for that.
SPEAKER_01Every day, I all glory to God. I am so grateful for being saved.
SPEAKER_00Me too. And you know, I know I I don't mean to speak for both of us, but I just want to say that we I'm sure our hearts are so compelled by the love of Christ to um share these, uh, you know, share the truths of Jesus Christ with anybody out there, lest you continue to walk in deception, because nobody wants anybody to be eternally separated from God. It's not a joke, it's real, and it is a horrible fate.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00Um, and we care so much. And that's why we get up and do what we do each day, because we care about people, we care about souls, and um, and you know, walking in the victory of Christ is having true peace and freedom. And it's not about the material things. See, even going to the psychic mediums, it's because we seek to gratify our flesh. That's what it is. I want to know things, I want to know things now. I want to connect because I can't deal with grief. I want to know when this and that is gonna happen. I'm lonely, I'm hopeless, I'm all of these things, right? Um, and that's about us trying to look for things to feel better when really what we need is the spiritual aspect. And you think you're spiritual in the new age, but you're but you're not, you're just not the right spirit, not the right spirit, right? Because Jesus offers us the spiritual healing that we need, the true one, which is peace, which is mercy, forgiveness, eternal life. Yep, eternal life, not your headache being better, not the manifest the job of your dreams. You know, he didn't die on the cross for you to get a BMW or for you to do, he died on the cross for the for the salvation, the gift of salvation to wash our sins white with his blood, his blood covers us, and he is the only way, truth, and life. Absolutely, amen.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, truly, truly, one cannot see the kingdom of heaven until they have been reborn of the spirit and the flesh. Uh, John 3 3, when he's talking to Nicodemus about second birth, was my favorite part of the Bible. And that, yeah, you you truly you you cannot see it until you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Um, right, yeah, and you're that's why, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I was just gonna say that's why it's so important because we don't know, you know. I'm really encouraging anybody if you're spiritually vulnerable at this time, meaning you're just not sure, like, you know, the Holy Spirit's maybe been nudging your heart. Maybe something's happening. You're wondering, this doesn't seem right the way I've been living. Something is just moving, something's not right. And I want to know more about God or something like that. You're spiritually vulnerable. And this is why testimonies and reaching out to people and talking to people and praying with people matters so much because they can you can be easily deceived, easily drawn away from the truth. And that's what and I'm saying honestly, my heart goes out um to people in that position right now, and my heart hurts for the lost. My heart hurts for the lost. I was lost for 37 years of my life. I 37 years of my life.
SPEAKER_0139 for me.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's why I just my eyes open. I was like, wow, I I I understand you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, right. And and you think about all those years gone by, and it's not like you think about it, oh, a wait, don't it's not a waste because God's using everything for his glory.
SPEAKER_01Like Paul. Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's using it for his glory. Um, but when I just think about being wrapped up in that deception and all those years that I could have been walking in the victory, you know, listen, you because then you're not looking at the standard of the world. I'm not pretty enough, I'm I'm fat, um, you know, I'm I'm measured the standards I'm going by are the world's standards, you know, that would tell me whether I'm good enough or not, or worthy enough, or valuable. Yeah. So it really never comes down to good or bad about yourself because none of us are good, the Bible says. None of us are good, but it does come down to value because Jesus Christ values you so much that you are worth dying for. And you never have to look at the world for your standards. We just look at God's holy standard and living according to that because he's the one who holds your life in his hands. And when we die, we meet God, yes, and we meet him alone. We don't have soul ties, we don't have twin flames, we don't have all of this going on. When you meet him, you meet him alone, and and he truly cares. Yeah, he sent his only son to die for the world, the sins of the world. So um, exactly, you know, that's really important, and and you're so valuable, and he made us in his image, um, unlike you know, his other creation. Um, we're we're unique, yeah, and he loves us very much. So you're no longer going for the world. And so that was a big part of my my whole thing, you know, always seeking and not and not living up. Yeah, you know, I wasn't living up and the eating disorder, and things start to take over um your mind. And it was it was heavy duty oppression, heavy duty demonic oppression.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I understand. I it that is exactly what I look back on my life now. And like I said, I started having suicide ideations when I was 16, and they didn't go away for two years. It would be on and off, severe depression, in and out of treatments and rehabs, and I just endlessly searching, and all I needed was the Holy Spirit. That was the only thing that ever took that ever healed me fully was the Holy Spirit. And you're talking about deliverance here, and you've from your book you say once you live amongst unclean spirits, it is not that easy to just evict them and ask them to move out at the end of the month. Instead, you have to withdraw the consent you have given them to share your living space. The more they you rebel against the presence of unclean spirits around you, the harder they will come at you and your subversive ideas, and the more they will manifest physically to keep you in line. They will now go all out to break you into your soul and to open you up to full demonic possession and the total loss of utter control, which will then give them complete power over your feelings and thoughts.
SPEAKER_00Right. And I want to be super clear about something. In regards to deliverance, the one who delivers you from all of this is Jesus Christ. You don't need to be, don't be running to those deliverance ministries. It's not even biblical. Thank you for saying this. Thank you. I know I'm gonna get some pushback on that, and that's okay with me because I live to tell the truth and and and that's it, and I walk in truth.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00And you need Jesus Christ to deliver you. And again, like I said, yes, they got mad. I still got attacked after I was saved. Um, in regards to the psychic stuff, though, I received information just one time after that about my own pastor. So you see, people think, hey, if you were a real psychic medium, you can't just walk away. It's a gift. It's not a gift, it's a choice. I did make a choice to walk away when Jesus saved me. I made a choice that day, that moment, to pick up my cross and follow him. They were angry about that. I they were angry that I dumped that team and now I'm on team Jesus and tried to rile me up and scare me into submission, and it didn't work. Never isolate, never ever isolate. I told my pastor what happened and he helped me. And since then, because I was so new, I was just, you know, a few weeks in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And and and so new believers, please, please, please always reach out when something happens. Don't isolate. That's where the enemy wants you. So he can get you into submission, put you into a depression, put you into anxiety, and then you feel ashamed. You feel like you think you're crazy. You don't want to say anything about this. No, you need to because then you can have your brothers and sisters praying with you, encouraging you, putting on the full armor of God, and um, you know, blasting that worship music. And there are, you know, we remember, we already have won. We have the victory. The devil is a thief, he wants to steal your joy. That's what it is. Yes. So um, but but we've already uh won because we have Jesus Christ and He already defeated the evil ones. So don't ever isolate. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. And you know, in my story, because I part of you know happening in 2020 during this time when everybody's getting on the internet to connect with each other, it's how I fell into the new age group. But once I I Jesus came into my life and I put the bricks like you immediately on everything, I was very lost and I didn't know who to talk to or who to go to. But thankfully, my um co-host for my not so secret societies podcast, Amy, she is my sister, and she was a Christian her whole life. And she was a huge reason that I see that I came to God because you know that it's important to have these relationships with other believers. You can't be yoked unbelievers. But she invited me to her Bible study. I had her on my podcast podcast, May 2021. It took nine months for me to go to the Bible study. I finally I know, oh, that Satan tried hard with me. I there were so many strongholds within me because I just had these connections with all these spirits I thought were my friends. I had no idea they were the demonic fallen angels. And so I started going to the Bible study and created, had this community of other believers, and we prayed for each other and had that. And but that winter, when I say I did a deliverance, I just followed a form where I went and I I wrote down every way I had ever. It's it was uh it took me a week to fill it out, 50 pages of every way I had ever sinned, anything that I had ever done, things I had never even thought about. It was great to have that form. And then I prayed to Jesus on every single one, and I asked him to fill me with the Holy Spirit and to remove that stronghold from me. That's what I did. It is the Holy Spirit that is going to deliver us. Like I get so nervous when I see these deliverance churches with people rolling around on the ground thinking they need to go to somebody else. No, we have Jesus. We have the Holy Spirit. But once I did that deliverance, and once I was truly like, I'm walking with Christ now, I'm walking away from the occult. That was when the demons came at me hardest. That was when I, because I hadn't had suicide ideations that much over the past couple of years that had really drifted away, but they were coming into my head telling me, burn your house down, kill yourself, cut your horrible thing, horrible, awful things. And these are demons speaking to us in our heads. That is not of God. That is not us. Those are the unclean spirits in our mind. But I had to go to my my Bible study, my group that I uh that I was connected with, my question believers and ask for them to pray for me. And I was I couldn't, you're right, you can't isolate. You have to ask for help and reach out to other believers because prayers is very powerful. You say in your book, prayer is real, prayer is all powerful, prayer changes the situation and gets us the desired answer and source supplications, Matthew 7 7.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And and the desire, um, can you read that again? The desired uh the source supplications.
SPEAKER_01And it's the desired answer, source supplications.
SPEAKER_00Desired answers. And remember, because it lines up with God's will. So you want God's answer to your prayers, even if it doesn't line up with what you think, what you wanted, when you want it, you want God's answer to your prayers, even when the answer is no. Yes, even when the answer is no, because that is the because he is the alpha and the omega. He knows the beginning from the end for us in the end, right? But he knows our life. It's he could he's already seen it. That's who I'm putting my trust in. We serve a very good father. He is a good, good father. I love how one of my friends said recently, think about the best dad in the whole world and times that by eternity. You know, the dad that protects you, the dad that looks out for you, the dad that loves you. Yes, there are other things in that too, like some discipline and things like that. But think about the best dad and times that by a million, and that's who we serve. And I just want to say to remember, Ephesians 1 and 13 says that when you have received the gospel into your heart, you, the Holy Spirit will come into your heart and seal your inheritance. So there's nothing you need to do after you're saved to get the Holy Spirit. There's not anything you need to do. He comes into the heart of the believer, the one who has accepted the gospel into their hearts, and then he will lead you and guide you. So that's really important that people know because then they're still looking for something about themselves to do, a work. And it's not about you, it's about what Jesus did on the cross for you.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. And I love that you're saying it's that God knows the beginning and the end. He and sometimes there's been things where I've been like, God, why is why this isn't what I was asking for? I wanted you to take care of the situation I'm in, but not in this way. And then three months later, I look back and I ah, God, I see from on your throne, on your throne up there where you could see everything you saw that was 10 miles ahead that I had no idea was coming. So thank you, Father. Amen. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And that's a big problem with manifesting because you're you're devising plans that you think are great for you and you should have, and you should do this and everything else. And it's not at all according to God's will. And we see that in the church, unfortunately, with the name it and claim it, the word of faith movement is so dangerous, the prosperity gospel. Oh gosh, yeah. So, so dangerous because our Lord Jesus Christ, if you remember, in the Garden of Gethsemane, the night before he would be crucified, went to prayer to our Father in heaven and asked if the cup could pass him by, the cup of suffering, right? Of wrath, could pass him by. Uh, would he allow it, but only your will be done. Not my will, not my, but your will be done, Father. So it's good enough for our Lord and Savior. It's good enough for me, let me tell you. So don't be trying to think that you have the right idea for your life because you can't see ahead. And that always comes back to you and not to God's plan for your life. So I would really encourage people to avoid manifesting, whether you're hearing it in a church or you're hearing it from Ronda Byrne or your new age group or whatever. Please, well, please obviously reject, repent, get out of the new age, repent for that and be saved and be set free. Um, but like I said, unfortunately, it's in the church as well. And they kind of twist some scripture, you know, about speaking things into existence and Habakkuk and writing uh vision boards and stuff. It's it's unbiblical and it's against uh the Lord, it's idolatry, and I would just stay away from any form of manifesting.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, and I totally agree. I mean, I look back at my life and when I was in control and moving things around, I just took myself deep into the Luciferian labyrinth and to an eternity of hell. And I that's the choices that that's where my manifestations brought me. It was literally God and Jesus that brought me out and put me on the narrow right path, the very being obedient, got the Bible basic instructions before leaving earth. It's very clear on how to live. I'm so grateful that God wrote this book for us because I had no idea what I was doing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, amen. Hallelujah. Thank God his word is a gift. Yeah, his word is a gift to us. Absolutely, absolutely, and it goes back to, you know, uh, you mentioned Genesis 3 a few times, and this is where we see Satan doing his the same thing that he's doing today, mixing lies with a little bit of truth, planting seeds of doubt, planting confusion, tempting you uh to go against God. And um, you know, they had God's word at the time, his spoken word. He said, Do not eat from that tree. They had his word, they saw the tree, they had a choice, they made a choice, just like us today. We have God's word and we have a choice to make God's word or the temptation of the evil one.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yeah. Nothing new under the sun, right? Just repeating again. Yeah, and so thank thank God for writing that the book, the Bible for us, so that we could learn from, you know, I like to call Adam and Eve patient zero, their mistakes when they, you know, they were the first deceivers.
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, and uh, you know, Satan and even still God had a plan and made a way for us through Jesus Christ, which is amazing to me. Um, that is a demonstration of his love. That's how much he loves us. It's like, okay, you have free will. I want you to come to me willingly, but I know you're gonna mess this up. But I still want you, I don't need you. This is what blows my mind. I don't need you, but I want you. I love you that much to send my own only son and the world and our flesh and our sin. We you see the world um needing God, but not wanting him. You see how it's the opposite. Yes, he wants us, he doesn't need us. We need him, yes, but the world doesn't want him.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yeah. Jen, this has been an amazing conversation. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I'm so excited for your next book. Do when do you have an idea of when your next book is coming out?
SPEAKER_00It should be around um end of August, early September. Awesome. Yeah, I can't wait.
SPEAKER_01I I loved reading um from Psychic to Saved, and you can get this right now, everybody, on Jen's website, right? xpsychicsave.com. And I ordered mine, I was on Amazon, really easy to get. Yes. Um, but yeah, check out Jen's website, xpsychicsave.com. And she has different t-shirts and sweatshirts and a teespring. And on Instagram, she's x psychic saved. She's making reels, she's got a great sense of humor. She's teaching us about the deception that she discovered and she wants us to share, she wants us all to have salvation. She's also on TikTok, Jen with two N's 311. Jen. Oh, that's my old one. Oh, that you want to just oh no, I didn't know you had a I I I followed that one. Tell me, did you? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh my goodness. No, I'm X Psychic Saved, spelled the same way as the other ones E X P Y S T H I C S A V E D, and only X Psychic Saved because there are a lot of people making um fake accounts based off of yours stealing your things. Yeah, they're stealing my video, yeah, they're stealing all my stuff.
SPEAKER_01So they just online trolls. That means you're doing something right. That means you're pushing God's kingdom forward because they wouldn't come at you if not.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so just be careful of that though. But yeah, definitely come to the ministry on TikTok. We I just um every day that the uh Lord allows, I get up and I sit there with my cup of coffee and I talk to people for a couple of hours and we we knock down those new age deceptions, we pray, um, and we I share the gospel each and every day. And souls are being one, which is so beautiful and amazing. And I don't leave anybody there. Discipleship is a really huge thing that um you see is lacking a lot these days, um, which is really sad. But you need to be there for your brothers and sisters in Christ, especially when they first make that decision to uh choose Christ and their new believers. You need to be there, especially. And Titus tells us to be there for the us older gals. You need to be there, you know, older in the faith and and um help the younger women. And um, but yeah, so discipleship is a big thing, but yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01And I am gonna be joining you on TikTok now that I have the right name for TikTok. That's amazing. That's awesome. I'm having my coffee with you today, and I've had a great time talking with you, Jen. I love you, sister. I'm so grateful that God has brought us together, and all glory to God for saving both of us out of the Luciferian labyrinth and the dark occult. And sister, I'm so glad that you'll be with me in the kingdom.
SPEAKER_00Love you, sister. God bless you, Kara.