{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":9.0,"endTime":11.55,"body":"Hello, and"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":9.0,"endTime":11.55,"body":"welcome back to Uncommon Sense"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":11.58,"endTime":58.65,"body":"from the Sociological Review."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":11.58,"endTime":58.65,"body":"I'm Alexis Hieu Truong in"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":15.3,"endTime":18.145,"body":"And I'm Rosie"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":15.3,"endTime":18.145,"body":"Hancock in Sydney. Each month we"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":18.206,"endTime":21.917,"body":"look sideways at a theme that"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":18.206,"endTime":21.917,"body":"seems self explanatory – let's"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":21.979,"endTime":25.628,"body":"say bodies, care, intimacy – and"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":21.979,"endTime":25.628,"body":"we work together to see it"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":25.69,"endTime":29.401,"body":"differently. We're all about"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":25.69,"endTime":29.401,"body":"seeing the world afresh through"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":29.463,"endTime":33.112,"body":"the eyes of sociologists. Even"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":29.463,"endTime":33.112,"body":"when, Alexis, in your and my"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":33.174,"endTime":36.452,"body":"case, our eyes are a wee bit"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":33.174,"endTime":36.452,"body":"blurry, because the time"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":36.514,"endTime":39.977,"body":"differences means Alexis is"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":36.514,"endTime":39.977,"body":"always up to record at about"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":40.039,"endTime":43.874,"body":"5am, and I'm on the other side"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":40.039,"endTime":43.874,"body":"of the world and ready to go to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":43.935,"endTime":47.832,"body":"sleep. Every month, Alexis, you"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":43.935,"endTime":47.832,"body":"and I give these intros and we,"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":47.894,"endTime":51.728,"body":"you know, point out that we're"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":47.894,"endTime":51.728,"body":"on other sides of the world and"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":51.79,"endTime":55.439,"body":"in these different cities. And"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":51.79,"endTime":55.439,"body":"today that matters more than"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":55.501,"endTime":59.46,"body":"usual, because we are actually"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":55.501,"endTime":59.46,"body":"going to be talking about cities."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":58.68,"endTime":58.95,"body":"Ottawa."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":59.0,"endTime":61.99,"body":"Yes, that is"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":59.0,"endTime":61.99,"body":"right. And it will be with Romit"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":62.057,"endTime":66.177,"body":"Chowdhury, a sociologist who has"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":62.057,"endTime":66.177,"body":"looked at things like cities,"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":66.244,"endTime":70.497,"body":"masculinity space, from Kolkata"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":66.244,"endTime":70.497,"body":"to Tokyo, and beyond. But before"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":70.563,"endTime":74.352,"body":"we say hi to him, Rosie, maybe I"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":70.563,"endTime":74.352,"body":"should ask you what your"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":74.418,"endTime":78.605,"body":"relationship to cities is. Are"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":74.418,"endTime":78.605,"body":"you an urbanite at heart? Or are"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":78.671,"endTime":82.46,"body":"you actually just like living in"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":78.671,"endTime":82.46,"body":"cities out of necessity?"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":82.9,"endTime":86.08,"body":"Oh, my gosh –"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":82.9,"endTime":86.08,"body":"cities all the way for me. I"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":86.11,"endTime":89.05,"body":"spent the first 23 years of my"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":86.11,"endTime":89.05,"body":"life in Auckland, which is New"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":89.05,"endTime":93.13,"body":"Zealand's biggest city – tiny by"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":89.05,"endTime":93.13,"body":"global standards, but you know."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":93.58,"endTime":97.21,"body":"Then I came to Sydney, where I"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":93.58,"endTime":97.21,"body":"still live, but I did also spend"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":97.24,"endTime":101.41,"body":"nine-ish months living in Amman"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":97.24,"endTime":101.41,"body":"in Jordan during my PhD. I"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":101.41,"endTime":105.88,"body":"really, really, really like"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":101.41,"endTime":105.88,"body":"going to the country on holiday."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":106.72,"endTime":109.96,"body":"But I thrive on city-life and"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":106.72,"endTime":109.96,"body":"could not imagine living"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":109.96,"endTime":112.9,"body":"anywhere else. How do you feel"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":109.96,"endTime":112.9,"body":"about cities, Alexis?"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":112.0,"endTime":116.59,"body":"Hmm, I don't"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":112.0,"endTime":116.59,"body":"really know. Like, I was ... I"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":116.62,"endTime":118.96,"body":"was raised in the city that ..."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":116.62,"endTime":118.96,"body":"like, in Gatineau, where I still"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":118.96,"endTime":121.81,"body":"live now. And it's like 300,000"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":118.96,"endTime":121.81,"body":"people. So it's kind of small."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":121.81,"endTime":125.92,"body":"And there's a lot of nature, we"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":121.81,"endTime":125.92,"body":"have this really big park. But I"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":125.92,"endTime":129.94,"body":"also, like, when I was 26–27, I"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":125.92,"endTime":129.94,"body":"moved from my parents' place to"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":129.94,"endTime":133.33,"body":"Tokyo. And that was a shock. And"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":129.94,"endTime":133.33,"body":"then I stayed a couple of years"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":133.33,"endTime":136.69,"body":"also in London, but I guess when"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":133.33,"endTime":136.69,"body":"I'm in cities, I'm like, \"cities"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":136.69,"endTime":140.65,"body":"are the best\". And then when I'm"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":136.69,"endTime":140.65,"body":"back here, I'm like, \"here's the"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":140.65,"endTime":143.68,"body":"best\". Yeah, I'm not ... I'm"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":140.65,"endTime":143.68,"body":"still undecided, I guess."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":145.85,"endTime":147.8,"body":"Well, let's jump"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":145.85,"endTime":147.8,"body":"straight in and say hello to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":147.8,"endTime":150.77,"body":"Romit, who I'm sure can"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":147.8,"endTime":150.77,"body":"enlighten us a bit more on you"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":150.77,"endTime":154.31,"body":"know what it takes to be a city."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":150.77,"endTime":154.31,"body":"Let's say, Romit, hi."},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":154.0,"endTime":156.829,"body":"Hi, Rosie. Hi,"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":154.0,"endTime":156.829,"body":"Alexis. Really nice to be"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":154.0,"endTime":157.96,"body":"You're joining us"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":154.0,"endTime":157.96,"body":"from Kolkata. So, if we catch"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":156.9,"endTime":158.74,"body":"chatting with both of you."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":158.29,"endTime":162.37,"body":"the sound of aircon in the"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":158.29,"endTime":162.37,"body":"background, maybe the sounds of"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":164.29,"endTime":169.09,"body":"the city as well, it's fine."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":164.29,"endTime":169.09,"body":"This is an episode on cities and"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":169.12,"endTime":172.57,"body":"a bit of background noise, it's"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":169.12,"endTime":172.57,"body":"just ambience. So, could you"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":172.57,"endTime":175.33,"body":"paint a bit of a picture for us,"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":172.57,"endTime":175.33,"body":"though, of where you are right"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":175.33,"endTime":176.86,"body":"now, like, in the city?"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":176.0,"endTime":178.688,"body":"So yeah, I'm in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":176.0,"endTime":178.688,"body":"Calcutta, and I live in"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":176.0,"endTime":188.0,"body":"First up, we"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":176.0,"endTime":188.0,"body":"wanted to know what's your own"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":178.757,"endTime":182.823,"body":"Rotterdam. But it's been 10"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":178.757,"endTime":182.823,"body":"months that I've been away from"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":182.892,"endTime":187.028,"body":"Calcutta, which is the city that"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":182.892,"endTime":187.028,"body":"I grew up in and my parents"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":187.097,"endTime":191.44,"body":"still live here. And yes, this"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":187.097,"endTime":191.44,"body":"is a city that I've always loved"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":188.18,"endTime":227.48,"body":"relationship to cities, your"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":188.18,"endTime":227.48,"body":"urban kind of autobiography?"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":191.509,"endTime":195.782,"body":"as my hometown. It's large, it's"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":191.509,"endTime":195.782,"body":"chaotic, it's humid. But it's"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":195.851,"endTime":200.056,"body":"also, you know, a sight of some"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":195.851,"endTime":200.056,"body":"of my closest friendships, my"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":200.125,"endTime":204.467,"body":"earliest relationships. All of"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":200.125,"endTime":204.467,"body":"these drove me back to the city."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":204.536,"endTime":208.672,"body":"And you know, I guess like any"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":204.536,"endTime":208.672,"body":"love story, it's also full of"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":208.741,"endTime":212.877,"body":"disappointments. 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I've always lived in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":229.61,"endTime":233.66,"body":"cities and these big, what we"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":233.69,"endTime":237.53,"body":"call, you know, mega cities, in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":233.69,"endTime":237.53,"body":"India, large more generally in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":237.53,"endTime":241.52,"body":"Asia. So ... and I've enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":237.53,"endTime":241.52,"body":"it. And I can't really say that"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":241.55,"endTime":246.32,"body":"I want to live in a village or"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":241.55,"endTime":246.32,"body":"in the rural countryside. It's"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":246.32,"endTime":249.98,"body":"not something that attracts me"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":246.32,"endTime":249.98,"body":"at all. In fact, just to give"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":249.98,"endTime":253.01,"body":"you an example, I lived in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":249.98,"endTime":253.01,"body":"Newcastle for a couple of years,"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":253.04,"endTime":258.26,"body":"which by British Standards is a"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":253.04,"endTime":258.26,"body":"fairly large city. And people in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":258.26,"endTime":261.35,"body":"Newcastle are really proud of"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":258.26,"endTime":261.35,"body":"the metro station, of the metro"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":261.35,"endTime":266.54,"body":"system. 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And"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2445.0,"endTime":2447.987,"body":"it's, it's, you know, it's so"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2448.052,"endTime":2451.884,"body":"great because it sounds like"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2448.052,"endTime":2451.884,"body":"this idea of syncing your body"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2451.949,"endTime":2455.651,"body":"to the rhythm of the city,"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2451.949,"endTime":2455.651,"body":"actually, is really similar to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2455.716,"endTime":2459.547,"body":"the novel that I wanted to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2455.716,"endTime":2459.547,"body":"recommend, which is NK Jemisin's"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2459.612,"endTime":2463.834,"body":"\"The City We Became\", which is a"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2459.612,"endTime":2463.834,"body":"science fiction novel, where the"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2463.899,"endTime":2467.86,"body":"essence and existence of New"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2463.899,"endTime":2467.86,"body":"Yorkers and its five boroughs is"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2467.925,"endTime":2471.692,"body":"kind of downloaded or synced to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2467.925,"endTime":2471.692,"body":"literally six people, each"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2471.757,"endTime":2475.264,"body":"representing a different"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2471.757,"endTime":2475.264,"body":"borough, and then someone for"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2475.329,"endTime":2479.421,"body":"the whole city itself. 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Alexis, did"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2505.854,"endTime":2510.075,"body":"you have something you wanted to"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2510.14,"endTime":2510.79,"body":"recommend?"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2510.99,"endTime":2512.85,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2510.99,"endTime":2512.85,"body":"actually, Romit, all that you've"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2512.85,"endTime":2517.59,"body":"shared with us today really kind"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2512.85,"endTime":2517.59,"body":"of made me think about how I"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2517.62,"endTime":2521.58,"body":"experienced Tokyo. 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Thank you so much,"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2599.46,"endTime":2602.79,"body":"Romit,  for your time today and"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2599.46,"endTime":2602.79,"body":"for chatting with us."},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2603.09,"endTime":2604.68,"body":"Thank you. This"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2603.09,"endTime":2604.68,"body":"was so much fun."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2604.71,"endTime":2606.36,"body":"Yeah, it was"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2604.71,"endTime":2606.36,"body":"great talking to you."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2606.39,"endTime":2606.87,"body":"Thank you"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2606.39,"endTime":2606.87,"body":"very much."},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2606.87,"endTime":2609.57,"body":"And we have to"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2606.87,"endTime":2609.57,"body":"find a common city to meet in"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2609.57,"endTime":2609.99,"body":"person."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2609.99,"endTime":2611.61,"body":"Haha, yes!"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2611.61,"endTime":2617.07,"body":"Let's make it a"},{"speaker":"Romit Chowdhury","startTime":2611.61,"endTime":2617.07,"body":"crowded one! Bye, bye."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2630.19,"endTime":2632.594,"body":"And that's"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2630.19,"endTime":2632.594,"body":"it for this month. You can catch"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2632.65,"endTime":2635.949,"body":"today's reading list, including"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2632.65,"endTime":2635.949,"body":"our pick of pieces from The"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2636.005,"endTime":2639.303,"body":"Sociological Review, and more on"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2636.005,"endTime":2639.303,"body":"those pop culture tips, by"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2639.359,"endTime":2642.938,"body":"clicking on our podcast page at"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2639.359,"endTime":2642.938,"body":"The Sociological Review website."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2642.994,"endTime":2645.79,"body":"Rosie, what are you going to"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2642.994,"endTime":2645.79,"body":"take away from today?"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2645.0,"endTime":2648.563,"body":"I am so taken"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2645.0,"endTime":2648.563,"body":"with Romit's characterization of"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2648.64,"endTime":2652.746,"body":"the city as something magical"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2648.64,"endTime":2652.746,"body":"and enchanted. 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Hold on to your"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2693.52,"endTime":2696.16,"body":"anger for next month's episode,"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2693.52,"endTime":2696.16,"body":"because we'll be talking about"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2696.0,"endTime":2698.382,"body":"If you've"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2696.0,"endTime":2698.382,"body":"enjoyed listening to Uncommon"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2696.16,"endTime":2696.94,"body":"emotion."},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2698.443,"endTime":2702.352,"body":"Sense, tap \"follow\" and rate or"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2698.443,"endTime":2702.352,"body":"review us in whatever app you're"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2702.413,"endTime":2706.139,"body":"using, and share us with your"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2702.413,"endTime":2706.139,"body":"friends, your family, students,"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2706.2,"endTime":2709.56,"body":"fellow students, lecturers,"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2706.2,"endTime":2709.56,"body":"teachers, you get the idea."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2710.1,"endTime":2712.41,"body":"Our executive"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2710.1,"endTime":2712.41,"body":"producer was Alice Bloch in"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2712.41,"endTime":2715.8,"body":"London. Our sound engineer was"},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2712.41,"endTime":2715.8,"body":"Dave Crackles in Sheffield."},{"speaker":"Rosie Hancock","startTime":2716.19,"endTime":2718.2,"body":"Thanks for listening. Bye!"},{"speaker":"Alexis Hieu Truong","startTime":2718.23,"endTime":2718.8,"body":"Bye!"}]}