DR. NICOLE TAYLOR - I AM ONE Who Created Support To Fill The Gap

On today’s episode, we’re sitting down with the truly awe-inspiring, Dr. Nicole Taylor – the Medical Director for PSI’s Psychiatric Consultation Program and an Executive Member at Large for the PSI Board of Directors. We’ll chat about her experience with undiagnosed PPA after becoming a mother, identifying gaps in medical care, and all of the ways she’s supporting folks (including parents & providers) – even if that means INVENTING support that doesn’t yet exist. She quite literally does it all, and yes – we made sure she has time to sleep. It was such a pleasure to record this conversation and we can’t wait for you to hear it. So, without any further ado, please sit back, relax and enjoy this episode with our friend, Dr. Taylor.

Mentioned on today's episode:

• Psych Consultation Program
• Ep. 48 - I AM ONE PSI Resource: Perinatal Psychiatric Consultation Program 
• Podcast: Mom and Mind Podcast with Dr. Katayune Kaeni
• TV: Ginny & Georgia - Netflix Drama Series

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Introduction | Meet Dr. Nicole Taylor

Dani 0:00

Welcome to the I Am One podcast. On today's episode, we're sitting down with the truly awe-inspiring Dr. Nicole Taylor, the medical director for PSI's Psychiatric Consultation Program, and an executive member at large for the PSI Board of Directors. We'll chat about her experience with undiagnosed postpartum anxiety after becoming a mother, identifying gaps in medical care, and all of the ways that she's supporting folks, including parents and providers. Even if that means inventing support that doesn't yet exist. She quite literally does it all. And yes, don't worry, we made sure she has time to sleep. It was such a pleasure to record this conversation. So without any further ado, please sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode with our friend Dr. Taylor. Dr. Nicole Taylor, welcome to the podcast studio! We are absolutely thrilled to be sitting here with you today. Our listeners don't know, but we are recording a double episode today. One all about you and one about a very special program. Dr. Taylor, you play a very special role on PSI's Perinatal Psychiatric Consultation Program, but we're not here– well, we are going to talk about that today, but this is an episode where we also get to ask you about your feelings, and your lived experience, and things like that. But we'll talk about both today. So we are so thrilled that you're here and that you agreed to hang out with us in the podcast studio for so long today. So thank you for being here.

Dr. Taylor 1:35

You're very welcome. Thank you for having me.

Emily 1:38

Okay. Dr. Taylor, please introduce yourself to our guests. Uh, what's your name? Do you like long walks on the beach? What do people need to know about you?

Dani 1:49

What's your zodiac sign? I'm kidding.

Dr. Taylor’s Career in Perinatal Psychiatry

Dr. Taylor 1:53

Well, I am Dr. Phyllis Nicole Taylor. I do go by Nicole, my middle name. My preferred pronouns are she, her, and hers. I am a board-certified psychiatrist with expertise in perinatal mental health, which means that I focus on the diagnosis and treatment of mental health conditions during pregnancy and the postpartum period. I've been practicing psychiatry for approximately 20 years, and I started receiving additional training and experience in perinatal psychiatry in 2014. I received my PMHC, Perinatal Mental Health Certification from Postpartum Support International in 2018. I've been married 23 years to my wonderful husband, and I have two amazing children, a daughter aged 20, and a son who is 16 years old. I currently live in Jacksonville, Florida, where I am employed for the North Florida/South Georgia VA Health System, and I am affiliated with the University of Florida.

Dani 2:57

Wow. You are a busy woman. Holy cow. And now I feel really lucky that we get, you know, over an hour of your time today. Thank you so much for telling us all about that. I am wondering if you can tell us what role perinatal mental health disorders played in your life personally, professionally. You mentioned, I mean, I guess on the professional side, you mentioned that you've been in psychiatry for 20 years, but it wasn't until 2014 that you started focusing on perinatal psychiatry, right? So what role has it played personally and professionally?

Experiencing Undiagnosed Postpartum Anxiety

Dr. Taylor 3:33

So I'll talk about personally first. I experienced some postpartum anxiety around the time of the birth of my daughter, 20 years ago. I had an emergency C-section related to failure to progress. I was dilated, but she was just not moving down the birth canal. I evidently have a small pelvis and she has a very big head.

Dani 3:55

Oh no, that's like not a good combination. Dang it.

Emily 3:59

Follow up. Does she still have a big head? I'm kidding.

Dr. Taylor 4:02

Yes, she does. But anyway, so my blood pressure was rising, and my medical team decided that it would be best to do a C-section to prevent any further complications. It was definitely not what I had planned for or expected, and so that led to some anxiety. A couple of days after being discharged home, I began to have problems breathing.

Dani 4:29

Oh, wow.

Dr. Taylor 4:30

And I was rushed back to the hospital, where I was told that I had pulmonary edema. That means too much fluid on your lungs.

Emily 4:38

So in the lungs, there's too much fluid. That's–

Dr. Taylor 4:40

Yes, too much fluid in the lungs. You're not supposed to have fluid in the lungs at all.

Dani 4:45

Right. Just air, no fluid.

Emily 4:47

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 4:47

Exactly.

Dani 4:48

Okay.

Dr. Taylor 4:49

So they explained to me that I had probably received too much IV fluids while I was waiting for the C-section and in the recovery process. And so the fluid had built up in my lungs and I could not breathe. They had to put me on some medications and I had to stay in the hospital a couple of days, which meant that I was not with my precious baby girl. And that led to more anxiety.

Dani 5:14

Oh, yeah.

Dr. Taylor 5:16

Yeah. And so then when I did get to go home to my baby, I had problems with breastfeeding, which led to more anxiety.

Emily 5:25

Great.

Dani 5:25

Shoot.

Dr. Taylor 5:27

Yeah. So, at the time, despite being in my last year of psychiatry training, I did not know that I was having a perinatal anxiety disorder.

Emily 5:41

Right.

Dr. Taylor 5:42

I was having panic attacks and I had not experienced them before.

Dani 5:46

Oh.

Dr. Taylor 5:46

But I didn't know what to do about it. At the time, I didn't seek any help. I kind of pushed through it because I didn't know about PSI back then. Right. It was only after I attended my first training conference with PSI in 2013, which is almost nine years later, that I fully understood what I had been experiencing and that there was help out there for me.

Emily 6:13

Wow.

Dani 6:14

Yeah.

When Even Doctors Don’t Recognize Perinatal Anxiety

Dr. Taylor 6:14

So that's the personal story.

Dani 6:16

So when you were having, like, panic attacks, did you mention that to a doctor, like at any check-ins or anything like that, or?

Dr. Taylor 6:25

Yeah. So I did. I told my OB, I told the pediatrician, and they were like, oh, well, you're a doctor. You'll be okay. You're in psychiatry.

Dani 6:36

Oh no.

Dr. Taylor 6:37

Don't you know what this is? You know a panic attack can't kill you. So- and that's true. I did know that, but knowing and experiencing are two very different things.

Dani 6:51

Oh yeah.

Dr. Taylor 6:53

And so thankfully I had the support of my family and I had friends, and you know, I knew some ways that I would manage other people's anxiety.

Dani 7:02

Right.

Dr. Taylor 7:03

So I used some of those skills on myself. But um, I think because people thought that, hey, she's a doctor or going to be a doctor, that somehow I was immune to having a serious condition that was affecting me psychiatrically, emotionally, and physically.

Dani 7:24

Mm-hmm.

Emily 7:24

Right.

Dani 7:25

Yeah. I mean, there's a difference between knowing something and feeling something. And when you're on the feeling side, it's kind of hard to know what to do. I mean, we've talked to lots of providers who supported folks in the perinatal period. And then, you know, when they experienced postpartum depression, or anxiety, or OCD, it was really hard to kind of tell what was going on at first, and then come up with a game plan, and have had, also, feelings of like, wait a second, I'm the professional here. I should know what to do. But you got- it's interesting to hear that you got that feedback, but you're a professional, you should know. You should know what to do, you're a provider! You should know the game plan.

Dr. Taylor 8:07

Yeah. So that kind of leads into how I got involved with this field.

The Patient Who Changed Her Career Path

Emily 8:12

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 8:13

After experiencing that, um, obviously my spidey senses were on. You know, that hey, maybe I'm not the only one that goes through this.

Dani 8:23

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 8:24

So I'd like to tell you a little bit about how I first heard about PSI, and then how that works into my professional part of all of this. Okay. So I had experienced that, of course, with my daughter, and I was doing some general psychiatry, you know, along the way. And I began working with families that were experiencing perinatal mood and anxiety disorders around the end of 2013. I still to this very day remember my first perinatal patient. She came into my office. It was a young woman. She came into my office at the university, I was working in the outpatient psychiatry clinic. And she was just in tears, I mean, just inconsolable tears. To the point that, at first, I couldn't even figure out why she was there.

Dani 9:16

Oh.

Dr. Taylor 9:16

So she was just out in the lobby just crying. And they were like, hey, Dr. Taylor, uh...

Dani 9:21

Help. Help!

Dr. Taylor 9:23

Can you help me here? So I went out there and got her. And, you know, after she kind of calmed down and I made her feel more comfortable, she told me that she had a history of bipolar disorder and that she had been stable on medications with another psychiatrist in the community for a few years. She found out that she was pregnant, and that doctor told her to stop all of her medications, just cold turkey.

Dani 9:49

Uh-oh.

Dr. Taylor 9:50

He told her that her baby was going to be quote, messed up because she had taken, quote, dangerous medications while she was pregnant. And didn't she know that she should not have gotten pregnant on those medications?

Dani 10:05

Oh, wow.

Dr. Taylor 10:06

So, of course, this is a doctor that she had trusted, that she had been with for a long time, who basically said, don't come back to me until you're not pregnant again.

Dani 10:16

Oh my goodness.

Dr. Taylor 10:17

Yeah. Just let that sink in for a minute. She was absolutely devastated.

Emily 10:23

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 10:23

And when she shared the story with me, I was horrified. We were both in tears at that point. Because I could not believe that something so terrible could happen to someone, especially knowing what I had experienced.

Emily 10:39

Right.

Dr. Taylor 10:40

I could only imagine how much more difficult it would be for someone who wasn't in the medical profession to have to go through something like that. So, she did stop all of her medications and her mental health symptoms got much worse very fast. And on top of that, she was worried that she had, quote, damaged her baby. So I knew that I had to help her. There was just no way I was letting her walk out of that room without me finding some way to help her. But I also realized that I needed help trying to help her.

Emily 11:15

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 11:15

I had not been taught what I needed in training or had enough experience in my own practice yet to feel comfortable handling, you know, such a sensitive and complex situation.

Emily 11:27

Right.

Dr. Taylor 11:28

So that's when I found PSI, Postpartum Support International, on Dr. Google. Yes.

Emily 11:35

Yeah!

Discovering Postpartum Support International (PSI)

Dani 11:35

You just got on the internet and you were like, well, what do I do with this?

Dr. Taylor 11:40

Yes. So, you know, after I talked with her and calmed her down, I was very honest with her. I said, this is, you know, this is a horrible story. I've got to help you. I don't know how to help you. So we're gonna come back next week. We're gonna make sure you're safe, and you come back next week. And I'm gonna have a game plan and we're gonna get through this. So...

Dani 11:59

Oh wow.

Emily 12:00

I got the chills.

Dani 12:01

Yeah, I know. I keep getting goosebumps too. I'm like, trying to stay focused on the conversation here.

Dr. Taylor 12:06

So, during that time, I started doing some research about treating bipolar disorder and anxiety in pregnancy. I found a webinar online that PSI was hosting, and I attended that.

Emily 12:19

Who taught that webinar?

Dr. Taylor 12:20

It was um, I'm not sure. Of course, it was Birdie and some other people back then, but I don't remember exactly who was speaking.

Emily 12:28

That sounds right.

Dr. Taylor 12:31

But anyway, I did start doing some research. Of course, I came up with a game plan, talked to the mom and her partner, and we agreed that she had not done anything to damage her baby, you know, that this was, you know, not her fault, that we were gonna do everything we could to help her be healthy, to help the baby be healthy, to help the family be healthy. And so we formed a partnership and we worked through it together. And interestingly, I was with her for about 10 years after that, through a couple of other pregnancies. So it was amazing. So that's how I got into PSI, and that's how I got into perinatal mental health. I went to a live class that very year. Like, I think I saw her in August or September, and PSI happened to me in Orlando, which is only an hour and a half from me, like the next month, doing the Components of Care two-day class. So I was sitting there in the front row.

Dani 13:33

You were like, clear the calendar, taking notes.

Teaching Perinatal Mental Health & PSI Training

Dr. Taylor 13:37

All the information. And what's ironic is that three years later, I was teaching that class.

Dani 13:44

Whoa! Oh my gosh.

Dr. Taylor 13:46

So that is how I got to PSI. That is how I started working with my families. That's how the professional side of things started.

Emily 13:55

Yeah.

Dani 13:56

And it's only gone up from here.

Dr. Taylor 13:58

Yeah.

Emily 14:00

It's like, I'm just thinking about every other episode we've recorded and how every single volunteer, every single advocate, becomes the thing that– the person that they needed, like, become the resource in your community that you needed, become the peer support that you needed. And you're like, we need a site consult program, right? I'm gonna be a part of it so that I could have had someone to call. I love it.

Dr. Taylor 14:28

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor’s Roles at PSI

Dani 14:29

So could you tell us a little bit about, I mean, you've touched on it, but we always ask how folks are supporting people in the perinatal period now. So you've mentioned that you're, you know, three years later after taking the class, you're teaching the class. What else do you do here at PSI? Can you tell us about that?

Dr. Taylor 14:52

So, yeah, I've got, um...

Dani 14:54

Everybody sit down! It's gonna be a minute. Nicole is busy. Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 14:58

Wendy likes to ask me to do things. Wendy is our president and CEO of PSI and just a wonderful person. And she loves to help others, and she likes to get me to help others.

Dani 15:10

You like helping others too. You guys are–

Emily 15:13

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 15:14

So, in my role for PSI, I am the current medical director and board liaison to the psychiatric consultation program. I'm also a member of the executive committee. I am the member at large, so I sit on the inner board of the big board.

Dani 15:33

Ooh.

Emily 15:33

Got it.

Dr. Taylor 15:34

I've been a member of the PSI Board of Directors since 2022. My past roles include being the chair of membership and professional outreach, because I want to make sure that people know about these services.

Dani 15:50

Yeah.

Emily 15:50

Yes.

Dr. Taylor 15:53

I also was a subject matter expert for the PMHC exam, which means that I helped to develop the content and write the questions for the PMHC exam. Like I said earlier, I received my PMHC in 2018. So I was one of the very first psychiatrists to get the PMHC certification because I believe we started around September. That's when I got my certification. And I do want to come back and make sure we talk about the certification and why that's important too. So remind me of that.

Emily 16:25

Yes.

Dani 16:26

Oh, okay.

Supporting Perinatal Mental Health Through the VA

Dr. Taylor 16:26

Also, I've been a member of the PSI Annual Conference Committee. So I plan our annual conferences and pick the speakers and the posters, etc. And then as I've mentioned, I am one of the faculty trainers for PSI. So I teach the two-day Components of Care training, which is that one that I went to in Orlando that first time. And I also teach the six-hour advanced course on psychiatric pharmacology. So that's like the deep dive into medications and more severe illness.

Emily 17:00

And that's the day three that, like, if you're a prescriber, that's the one you need, right?

Dr. Taylor 17:05

Yes, exactly. Exactly. So that's what I do for PSI, but outside of PSI, I'm still very much engaged in the perinatal world. I mentioned to you that I work for the VA here in Jacksonville, Florida. I see women veterans for preconception, pregnancy counseling, evaluation and medication management in pregnancy, postpartum, and breastfeeding. I teach psychiatry residents and medical students about perinatal mental health through the University of Florida. I am also the women's mental health champion for my VA. Yes. So I teach my colleagues.

Dani 17:45

Dr. Taylor!

Dr. Taylor 17:48

So I teach my colleagues about how to recognize and treat perinatal mental health disorders. I act as the primary contact for any concerns regarding women's mental health. And I help to develop the programs and services for women veterans. Outside of that, during my free time, I like to help reduce the stigma of mental health, particularly perinatal mental health disorders. So I volunteered to speak in the community. I speak at schools, and churches, and support groups, and anybody that is willing to listen to me basically.

Dani 18:24

Oh.

Emily 18:24

That is amazing.

Dani 18:25

Do people just, if somebody is interested in you speaking, do they just– Nicole, do you have a secretary? I mean, I'm just like, okay. Are we gonna drop her email address in the show notes or are people gonna flood?

Dr. Taylor 18:38

I do not have a secretary, but I might need one. But you can find me on LinkedIn. That's probably the best professional social platform to find me on. And I do get random calls and emails at my job, everywhere about having to speak, so–

Dani 18:56

I was just thinking, I know my, you know, friends and family, and neighbors and acquaintances, like, know that I'm a perinatal mental health advocate and people randomly reach out to me, but I'm just like, wow. I bet you're really getting hit up by people.

Emily 19:12

Right? Like, do you get stopped in the grocery store?

Dr. Taylor 19:15

I do sometimes because I wear my PSI t-shirt saying you're not alone, and people ask me questions and I will give them a whole lecture about perinatal mental health.

Dani 19:26

Actually, you told us a funny story about bumping into somebody at a, was it a fair or something or uh?

Dr. Taylor 19:32

Yeah, I was at a seafood festival, visiting my daughter down in South Florida where she goes to school, and a random lady just walked up to me and said, hey, do you know about 988, which is the veterans crisis line, suicide prevention line, et cetera?

Dani 19:46

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 19:46

And so I told her all the stuff I knew about it and what a great service it was. And I said, did you know that you could also be connected to the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline? And then I started telling her everything I knew about perinatal mental health.

Dani 20:00

Next thing you knew, Dr. Taylor and this new friend pulled up a chair. You know, they were at their own table. They were, yeah, don't disturb. They were gone for three hours, no I'm just kidding.

Dr. Taylor 20:12

She was doing a podcast and she just happened to find the one psychiatrist standing in the line for a lobster roll that wanted to talk about perinatal mental health.

Dani 20:21

Isn't it so interesting the people we run into and the conversations we have? Oh my goodness.

Dr. Taylor 20:26

I've been on the news, I've written for the, you know, some local newspaper articles and blogs. But yeah, it's interesting where you can spread the word.

Dani 20:35

Oh yeah.

Emily 20:36

Are we your first podcast?

Dr. Taylor 20:38

This is the first official podcast because she had a podcast, and she just asked me about the 988, but this is my first, like, interview, a full interview.

Dani 20:47

Oh, well,

Emily 20:48

Yes!

Dani 20:48

you've come to a professional place here... Uh, we've been doing this for... two years. Yeah.

Emily 20:57

We're gonna ask the hard-hitting questions.

Dani 21:00

We do. I had a follow-up question. Oh, my follow-up question is are you sleeping?

Dr. Taylor 21:05

Yes.

Dani 21:06

Very important question.

Dr. Taylor 21:07

I believe in self-care. So I eat, I sleep, I take time out for myself, because if I didn't do those things, I wouldn't be able to take care of other people. So yes.

Dani 21:18

Briefly, in that great, you know, explanation of all the amazing things that you are doing to support folks in the perinatal period and providers, as well. You mentioned a couple things. I was wondering if you could kind of give us a, like, quick little elevator pitch for what is the Psych Consult Program that you've played such an integral role in creating here at PSI. Can you tell us about that? And then also, I think you wanted to mention PMHC.

What Is the Perinatal Psychiatric Consultation Program?

Dr. Taylor 21:45

Yes, yes. So the Psychiatric Consultation Program is a free program for medical providers who are prescribers and have questions about mental health care related to pregnancy and postpartum. For instance, a provider, an OBGYN, family practice, midwife, or apiarian might have questions about whether medicine is safe in pregnancy or breastfeeding. They may have questions about whether a specific case that they are taking care of meets the criteria for a certain diagnosis, or they may have questions about resources that would be helpful for their patients. So the Perinatal Psychiatric Consultation Program is a group of experts who are available to share our knowledge, and our resources, and our experience with other medical providers, to take care of their patients.

Dani 22:45

Oh, that is incredible. So this is like just a free service. If somebody wants to– who's trying to make a complicated decision to help support a patient– and they're like, okay, I need to pick somebody else's brain. I'm gonna call and kind of explain the situation or, not call.

Emily 23:03

Schedule, yeah.

Dani 23:04

Yeah, schedule an appointment to talk to somebody and kind of just talk through, like, the best plan. That's great. Oh my gosh.

Dr. Taylor 23:12

Yes. And if there is a medical provider out there who needs to use our resources, they can go to the website, the PSI website, postpartum.net, and click on professionals, and you will see the program there. They can self-schedule a consultation time with one of our experts in the field, and we are more than happy to help support and discuss any questions that they may have.

Dani 23:36

That's incredible. We'll put a link in the show notes for folks to find that on PSI's website. We've also, earlier today, recorded a very special episode all about just that program. So I'll also leave a link in the show notes to that episode. If anybody is really interested in hearing kind of more in-depth explanation, we ask you some more specific questions about the program. They can listen to that. It's a quick listen, 15- 20 minute episode all about that program. So we'll put a link to that in the show notes, as well.

Dr. Taylor 24:07

Yes, great, thank you.

Dani 24:09

Yeah.

What Is the PMH-C Certification?

Dr. Taylor 24:10

So I did want to mention about the PMHC, because a lot of people might not be familiar with that.

Dani 24:15

Yeah, what does that stand for?

Emily 24:17

Says the person with the cert.

Dr. Taylor 24:20

Says the person with the cert. Oh my goodness. The perinatal mental health certification or PMHC recognizes individuals who have proven their competency to help moms, dads, and families experiencing perinatal mood and anxiety disorders. So it basically provides a structure for the education and training, as well as an evaluation, to make sure that providers are using the evidenced-based information to provide the best care to the special population. It's been out since 2018, like I said. We have hundreds of people that are certified, and you do not have to just be a psychiatrist. We also have therapists and some other allied health supportive people who work with perinatal families that receive the certification. And you can check out the website for more information about that.

Dani 25:23

Exactly. We'll put a link to that in the show notes, as well, for anybody interested in learning more or getting started on your training to earn your PMHC.

Emily 25:32

I mean, I know what our next episode, our next special episode is gonna have to be about. We're gonna have to bring someone in here to talk about PMHC things.

Dani 25:40

Yeah.

Emily 25:40

But right now I want to talk to Dr. Taylor about, um, how she takes her water.

Dani 25:45

Oh. Before we hop into the lightning round, is there anything that you wanted to mention, any questions that we didn't ask that you wish we asked? Anything that you want to add before we get real, real personal?

Dr. Taylor 26:01

No, I think we've covered everything that we wanted to describe. Of course, I could talk about this for hours, and days, and weeks. So you know, if you want more information, just ask and it will come, so...

Dani 26:17

You also mentioned, Dr. Taylor, the PSI annual conference. We'll put a link to the show notes in that. That's coming up in mid-July in 2025 for anybody listening to it. But look out for that every year. If folks missed the conference this year, it happens every summer, various locations. So we'll put a link to that part of our website. We always have information about where the annual conference is taking place. If you can't make it, you can, I think that you can, can you register and get access to recordings later also if you if you're not able to be there in person, so.

Dr. Taylor 26:52

Yes you can. We're going to New Orleans this year.

Dani 26:54

Oh yeah.

Dr. Taylor 26:55

Really good time. So it we would love for everybody to come out.

Lightning Round

Dani 26:59

We're real excited for that this year. Yeah. Well, I think it's time. Emily, are you ready? Dr. Taylor, are you ready?

Emily 27:06

Oh yeah.

Dani 27:06

For the lightning round?

Dr. Taylor 27:08

Yes. Excited about the lightning round.

Dani 27:12

All right. First question. Besides this podcast, what is your second favorite podcast if you were to recommend one to folks listening? And it doesn't have to be perinatal mental health related. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.

Dr. Taylor 27:25

Yes. Well, it is.

Dani 27:26

Okay.

Dr. Taylor 27:27

I live and breathe perinatal mental health.

Dani 27:30

Okay. Cool.

Dr. Taylor 27:32

So it is the Mom and Mind podcast with Dr. Kat.

Emily 27:36

Yes!

Dr. Taylor 27:36

She's a very dear friend and has so much knowledge and expertise that she shares with everybody. So if you have not checked it out, please check out Mom and Mind with Dr. Kat.

Dani 27:49

Oh my gosh, do you know what I saw the other day? I think it was just this week, that Dr. Kat has been podcasting for nine years, this week, and, you know, has over 400 and some odd episodes. If you are interested in anything perinatal mental health related, you will probably find some sort of specialized topic on her podcast. And it was the first podcast that a friend, a mutual friend of Emily and I recommended to me when I discovered that there was such a thing as a perinatal mental health advocate, that there was a whole world out there where folks, you know, focus on supporting folks in the perinatal period. And I wanted to know more. I was like, what do I read? What do I listen to? I had little kids at the time, and so it needed to be, what can I listen to in my earbuds. It is incredible because it's great for parents, it's great for providers. I wanted to know all the things. And just as um, I'll just say, as a non-provider, it was digestible. I understood, I understood it and I learned things. And whether you're a provider or not, you learn things. Um, so... well, this just turned into a mom and mind podcast promo–

Emily 29:04

Advertisement. I know. It's because we're all fans. What are you gonna do?

Dani 29:08

Sponsor us! I'm just kidding. We love you, Dr. Kat! Yeah.

Emily 29:14

Yes. Oh my gosh.

Dani 29:16

Great suggestion.

Emily 29:17

Okay. Are you currently binge watching, reading, or listening to anything really good? I have gotten so many great, like next thing to watch on Netflix, or Hulu, or whatever, because of this question. I love it. Tell me.

Dr. Taylor 29:33

I'm currently binge watching Ginny and Georgia.

Emily 29:38

Oh, God, yes!

Dr. Taylor 29:39

It is a series about a complicated relationship between a young mother and her teenage daughter. There are all kinds of secrets, and murder, and all kinds of things in there, but it also has things about identity and mental health. So I am in season two of three, but season four is coming out this year. So I'm getting caught up.

Emily 30:08

Oh, the countdown. Yeah.

Dani 30:10

It's really nice, I love starting a new show if there are a few seasons. Because, you know what? The worst thing is, you know, really getting into a show and there only being one season. And then you've gotta wait.

Dr. Taylor 30:22

Exactly.

Dani 30:23

Remember once upon a time when we only could watch one episode a week?

Emily 30:27

Barely. I mean, no, I do remember. It was real tough.

Dani 30:30

And we couldn't run to the bathroom or you'd miss something. I mean, it was a whole-

Emily 30:34

Oh my god.

Dani 30:34

I've tried to explain this to my kids. They just don't understand the things we went through.

Emily 30:38

They don't understand.

Dani 30:39

Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that there are three or four seasons for you, Dr. Taylor. Okay. Um, do you have a favorite parenting hack?

Dr. Taylor 30:49

So I am always looking for some kind of life hack because, I mean, life is just hard in general.

Dani 30:55

Yeah.

Emily 30:56

Yes!

Dr. Taylor 30:57

So it took me a while to think of something. But my parenting hack is: always keep wet ones with you and a trash bag in your car. Because life is messy. And it doesn't matter if your kid is, like, a baby, a toddler, or a 20-year-old, you are going to need the wet ones and a trash bag.

Dani 31:19

Okay. You heard it here first!

Emily 31:22

The other day, I went to Costco and I needed the wet ones, because my hands were all sticky.

Dr. Taylor 31:28

Exactly.

Dani 31:29

Yeah.

Emily 31:29

I didn't have it- yep.

Dani 31:31

Yeah.

Dr. Taylor 31:31

That's my hack.

Emily 31:32

Wet ones. Sponsor us.

Dani 31:35

Wet ones. Sponsored by wet ones. And trash bags.

Dr. Taylor 31:39

Any version of wet ones doesn't have to be the name brand.

Dani 31:42

Yeah.

Emily 31:43

Right. Okay. What is one way that you will show yourself some radical love?

Dr. Taylor 31:49

So you heard me mention earlier that I always believe in taking care of myself. Okay?

Emily 31:54

Yes.

Dr. Taylor 31:54

So that is, like, part of my daily plan. So today, before we even started this process, I took some time out. I had my coffee out on the patio where I could feel the sun, listen to my wind chimes playing, watch the water. And I was just being still and accepting what the universe was going to give me today. So-

Dani 32:16

Oh my goodness.

Dr. Taylor 32:17

I started the day out right.

Dani 32:19

Wait a second. Are you at the beach?

Dr. Taylor 32:21

I live right on the river, and I'm about two miles from the beach, so very close.

Dani 32:26

Okay.

Emily 32:28

Yeah.

Dani 32:29

We need to be where Dr. Taylor is.

Dr. Taylor 32:31

You're always welcome. I have an extra guest room.

Dani 32:33

Okay! Well...

Emily 32:35

Road trip!

Dani 32:36

The pod squad's gonna show up on Dr. Taylor's doorstep. She's gonna be like, I've said too much. I've made a terrible mistake. No. That sounds so relaxing, oh.

Emily 32:48

Yeah.

Dani 32:48

That is some radical love. Okay, so the next question here. If you could jump in to a little time machine and go back in time to, you know, the period of time where you were feeling some anxiety postpartum. What is one thing that today you, wishes that you could say to pre-recovery you?

Dr. Taylor 33:11

I would say, Nicole, remember that you are doing the very best you can with what you have at this moment. Everything doesn't have to be perfect. The goal is to have imperfect progress. That's what I would tell myself. Give myself some grace. That's what I would say.

Dani 33:28

Oh man.

Emily 33:30

Imperfect progress. Yes. Yes.

Dani 33:33

I'm writing that down, that's why I'm being so quiet right now. My goodness. Yeah, honestly. Those are such wise words. I had a sticky note for a number of- probably three years on my computer screen, something similar that my therapist said to me. She was like, Dani, just start with good enough, you know? Because it is, it's hard to parent an adult and accept that, you know, like, we don't know all the things. And we don't have to do things perfectly. So, oh.

Emily 33:59

Yeah.

Dani 33:59

I love that!

Emily 34:01

All right. The most important question. How do you take your water? Bubbles, no bubbles, flavor, no flavor? Do you have an emotional support water bottle? I struggle to stay hydrated. This is why I ask.

Dr. Taylor 34:14

That's a very good question. I do have an emotional support water bottle. I collect turtles, so I have a turtle water bottle.

Dani 34:20

Oh.

Dr. Taylor 34:21

But the answer is with lemon, and cucumber slices, and a sprig of mint, over ice.

Dani 34:27

Oh.

Emily 34:27

Lemon, cucumber, and mint.

Dani 34:29

And ice.

Dr. Taylor 34:30

Over ice.

Dani 34:31

Oh my goodness.

Emily 34:32

Okay.

Dr. Taylor 34:32

That is my favorite combination. And so normally when I'm sitting out there looking at the water, if I'm not drinking my coffee, that's what I got.

Emily 34:41

Wow. Okay. That sounds good.

Dani 34:44

Well, way to stay hydrated! Dr. Taylor, if anything has resonated, I think a lot of things from today will have resonated with our listeners. If folks would like to get a hold of you, I know you mentioned getting connected with you on LinkedIn might be the best way. Is that the best way that folks can get in touch with you?

Dr. Taylor 35:02

Yes, I would say either through PSI with the Psychiatric Consultation Program, if they have questions about that, or through LinkedIn if they have other questions that may not be related.

Dani 35:15

Sure. Okay, we will put your contact information in the show notes for folks who would like to get in touch with you. This has been so lovely. Emily, can you take us out?

Episode Closing

Emily 35:26

I would love to. Okay! Dr. Nicole Taylor.

Dr. Taylor 35:31

Yes.

Emily 35:31

First, thank you so much for sharing your story, for sharing all the things about your program in our special episode. It is such a joy to talk to people with lived experience. It's such a joy to talk to experts. And you are both.

Dani 35:48

You are all the things.

Emily 35:49

You are the ideal double threat in our world. So thank you so much for talking to us about all of it.

Dr. Taylor 35:59

Thank you so much for having me, I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

Dani 36:02

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