Deconstructing Mamas
If you are trying to figure out how to navigate the tricky tightrope of parenting while you have questions, doubts and wonderings about your spiritual journey, this podcast is for you. It doesn't matter if your kids are smalls, middles, or bigs. We will explore what and how we are deconstructing from churchianity, harmful belief systems, and diving deep into the ways we can work this out in parenthood. We will also work through ideas for reconstructing a space for our families to thrive under new systems of love and freedom. We can't wait to bring you some hope that you are not alone and that it's really okay, even good, to explore all the possibilities that may have felt closed off in the past. This podcast will offer you grace and space to be exactly where you are and who you are. We are glad you are here.
Deconstructing Mamas
The Sacred Fog of the In-Between - Lizz Enns Petters & Esther Joy Goetz
In this week’s episode, Lizz and Esther talk about the in-between—that blurry stretch between certainty and freedom. We talk about control and compassion, about nervous systems that don’t need theology as much as safety, and about finding community outside the old walls of church.
We don’t have tidy answers (we’ve tried those before).
But we do have a few anchors for the fog.
Anchors for the In-Between
When the old ways of praying, believing, or belonging don’t work anymore—start here:
- Tree time. Sit under one. Lean against it. Let your breath match its calm.
- Look up. Sky therapy. A reminder you’re part of something vast and kind.
- Cozy is sacred. Blankets, warm mugs, soft clothes—small acts of self-compassion that retrain your body to feel safe again.
- Medicine isn’t weakness. Sometimes your nervous system needs help to unclench. That’s healing, not failure.
- Rest ≠ avoidance. Rest is recovery. Avoidance is fear. The difference is compassion.
A Few Things We Said (and Meant)
“God isn’t controlling the universe like a puppet show. Love is still here, and it looks like presence.”
“Your body isn’t broken—it’s responding wisely to what’s been too much.”
“Use your low beams in the fog. Slow is holy.”
If You’re Here Right Now
If you’re not sure what you believe, or where you belong, or if any of this still counts as faith—welcome.
You’re not alone.
The fog is temporary.
And even here, you’re being held by something softer, wider, and more loving than fear ever was.