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Talk Yo Shit "M16 The Great"
This week we sit down with M16 for an honest conversation about falling hard—and getting back up even harder. From stage dives to storytelling, hip-hop debates to healing, he walks us through the moments that changed him as an artist, a father, and a man.
We talk about discipline, authenticity, top five rappers, and the quiet work of rebuilding after the noise fades. If you’ve ever lost momentum and had to fight your way back, this one’s for you.
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Yeah, I'll tell you what I use.
SPEAKER_07:I just use what I use. Yeah, I I know because you showed uh after the episode. Go ahead. But I didn't fall though. I jumped. Nick I watched the tape. It wasn't a fall, it was a jump. It was interesting.
SPEAKER_04:Whatever you say it, bro.
SPEAKER_07:You can't really mess it up.
SPEAKER_04:You can't stand it. This fella said it was a jump.
SPEAKER_07:I mean he jumped.
SPEAKER_04:But I fell when I jumped. Yeah, when I jumped. But we can talk about it. But you fell after you jumped. Wait, did you record right now? Yeah, he fell into a intro or anything? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm heavy. If I'm pulling my jump and hold me though.
SPEAKER_01:Um finger let me snap my shit. Then run to my shit. I eat in this bitch love. Never resting on my nose, the definition of a core. When they stop questioning you more the gap petition.
SPEAKER_02:It's been a minute since we did this talk your shit thing. Yeah. And uh usually when we do these talk your shits, there's meaning behind it, there's a message behind it. And I've known M16 for a very long time. And um he's a dope lyricist. I think he's one of the best freestylers I've ever uh come across that just make me be like, nigga, I need to step my pen game up. Um and every time I see him moving, he's always in a positive mindset, mind frame. He's always hustling. Um he has his own label, he has his own podcast, he's uh he's a father. Uh, and every time I see him, he's always upbeat, positive, always telling me, you know, keep going, telling me how dope I am. And when I when when a person's that kind of calm and being able to give flowers to someone else, it lets you know how dope they are because it's there there was no reason for him to do it, but he did it because it was out of luck. So um it takes not a lot, but great pride for me to let you guys be introduced if you don't know him already. The man, the myth, the legend that is M16. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Talk Your Shit.
SPEAKER_04:Hey, that was a good seat. That's why I needed the tissue. It was getting there almost. I felt it. He felt it kind of a little bit. So, how are you doing this morning? Oh, I'm doing great, man. I'm like, I'm not one of those grand rising type of niggas, but it feels like I got the grand rising type of day. It feels like a grand rising type of day.
SPEAKER_02:Shit, you beat me or almost. Yeah, I beat.
SPEAKER_04:You said you were here before and then you came back. Yeah, I had to go get me a little tea instead. But I was there.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, man, I feel good, man. I'm happy to be here. I'm excited. You know how rare it is for, I mean, especially in this scene, you know how rare it is for niggas to be punctual.
SPEAKER_05:No, for sure.
SPEAKER_02:Because rap rappers, we have a history of uh rappers are terrible though.
SPEAKER_04:That's why I don't really consider like I'm I rap, but I don't consider myself a rapper because rappers don't understand business. So it's like as a business person or a brand person, you gotta be early. You can never be on time. It's like if you're on time, you're late. If you're late, you like get the fuck on. I mean, you know, I can cuss, right? It's like get the fuck on. Like, why are you here? You know? So it's like people, I feel like a well the problem with rappers, especially up and coming rappers, is they they think too highly of themselves. So it's like they do fuck shit and they they don't value other people's time. And if you can't value people's time on this level, when you get to the other level, it's like you're not gonna get anything.
SPEAKER_02:Nothing's gonna happen, you know? So let the people out there know. Who is M16?
SPEAKER_04:Uh, kind of like what you said, man. Um, a father first, uh son, a business owner, entrepreneur, um, you know, a hustler, uh a person that's just trying to figure it out, just trying to figure life out, and you know, that just goes through things, struggles silently, but you know, wins very boastfully and loud. Like, you know what I'm saying? When I'm struggling, you won't know. When I'm winning, I want you to know. You gotta know. And that's just pretty much me and the nutshit. That's what's up. Yeah, I don't like, I'm not a humble, period. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I'm not, you know, like I'm down to earth, but I'm not humble. You shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's just how I am. So when you're in grime mode, how do you get to that headspace?
SPEAKER_04:When I'm in grime mode, how do I get to that headspace? Okay, well, like what headspace are you talking about?
SPEAKER_02:Like to keep going? Yeah, no, this is this is what I'm gonna do, and this is how I'm gonna get there.
SPEAKER_04:Um, it really has nothing to do with the head. I feel like that's where people fuck up. They think it's a mental thing. It's a mental thing in the sense of like not giving up, but it's really the passion. The passion is what really like, you know, like kind of like you know how with you in the health journey, and I'm getting on the health journey, just like if you had a passion to change, you ain't gonna get up and get in the gym. In the mind, you're like, oh, I'm gonna get in the gym. Mentally, you'll be like, oh, I gotta get in the gym. But you gotta be passionate to be like, nah, I gotta get up, I gotta do this. So it's really the passion that people gotta have. If you're passionate about something, whether you're making money, whether you getting recognition, whether anything, you're gonna do it regardless. So it's like, it's one of them things that I don't give a fuck if this shit ever, which I know it will, but I don't give a fuck. If I never make millions of dollars, I'm always gonna do it because I love it and I'm passionate about it. And I'm always gonna try to do it to the best and then you know, the best of my ability because I'm that passionate about it. That's what's up, man. That's the quarter song, the heart, baby.
SPEAKER_02:So before the booth or the stage.
SPEAKER_04:I know that's gonna be the segue before the booth or the stage.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. What was it like for you growing up?
SPEAKER_04:Damn. Like uh man. So recently the things that I I've been through made me have to really uh I guess uh I hate the word, but unpack shit and like really understand shit. Um my growing up, because it's like when I think of my childhood, it's like man, I I was very happy with, you know, a little. And I didn't realize it was a little because the people that were, you know, making things happen made it look so grand. So it's like when I think about it, it's just like, man, you know, it's just a lot, uh, a lot of shit that I remember that molded me and made me want to do certain things and go certain directions and be a certain individual. And it's a lot of things that uh that like way in the back of my mind. Like I'm very good at forgetting shit that was very traumatic. And like I've recently understood that like, damn, that shit really fucked me up. And it it really makes me be a certain way in this element, in these areas. It makes me, I don't think I'm overreacting, but it might make it seem like I overreact to certain things because that shit really fucked me up. So now it's like when I think about it, it's like it's like uh I give a lot of people grace, but people don't give me grace, and I'm not mad about it because God put me through everything to make me the most uh well-oiled machine for what I need to do because I'm just I'm just here to be a vessel and a blessing to others. I feel like I'm more so, you know what I'm saying, a vessel for others than myself. I feel like my gift isn't the rapping or doing things for myself. My gift is pouring into other people and showing in their greatness and creating a space where people could be you know what I'm saying, the the higher self. Yeah, yeah. Like just giving people quote unquote the safe space to be who they want to be and push people to do things because that's just how I am naturally.
SPEAKER_02:So when you you say these as you're saying this, yeah, and I saw a video on your um social media. Do you do therapy?
SPEAKER_04:Nah, I don't. I need to though. I'm trying to go. That shit's expensive. I'm not I my bag ain't there yet. But I just found out through Medi-Cal I can go to therapy. Yeah. And through P uh my uh probation, they have to give me therapy, so I'm gonna go through I'm gonna do therapy.
SPEAKER_07:It probably worked for you because you're already self-aware and open-minded. Yeah, and you need to be kind of open to the experience whenever you go through therapy. So that's crazy.
SPEAKER_04:My ex would say the totally opposite, though.
SPEAKER_07:Your ex said the opposite?
SPEAKER_04:She'll say total, yeah, total opposite.
SPEAKER_06:Well, uh one of my ex ma'am called me, baby, because you need me to talk to you too.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, she definitely says, Yeah, she said I'll take no accountability, all type of shit.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, well, maybe that was a start. That might have been where you were, but I take that back, sis, because I understand that might be that might have been where you were when you have a different man sitting before us today. Yeah, what you knew. And and that's funny because it just happened.
SPEAKER_06:Because you mentioned that people don't see people don't give you grace.
SPEAKER_04:So it's like it was like maybe two, three weeks ago. Oh, damn. So it's not I couldn't clear it up for that much.
SPEAKER_06:You new to this, not necessarily true to it yet, but new to it.
SPEAKER_04:No, this is who I am, and this is why I expressed to that person, but it's like she said that about two, three weeks ago.
SPEAKER_07:You also have to remember that people respond to because you had mentioned that a lot, some people don't give you grace, people respond as to where their trauma is. So depending as to where she is, yeah, she might not have been able to see it that way. I'm I'm a psych major, so shit like this comes out out of the area. Well, and you know, therapy is not always what therapy looks like. Exactly. So find what your therapy looks like.
SPEAKER_04:Music. Exactly. That's my dude. Exactly. You go from really like this is the first time in my life I can honestly say that my music is becoming the therapy now. Before my music was just like popular shit, trying to, you know what I'm saying? Just having good time, vibing. Just now it's like, okay, this is healing, you know? Because when I, you know, when I went through the situation, music really got me back. And I was like, damn, like music is really, you know, so yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Well, that's exciting. I can't wait to hear the evolved, but I mean it cut you up. I can't wait to hear the evolved version of your music. Yeah, yeah. It's exciting. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:People don't want to hear that shit, though. That's the shit that's trash. People don't want to hear it when it's like they'll hear it like when you like, you know what I'm saying? Not necessarily.
SPEAKER_07:There's an artist, his name is Blast, and he has a very good balance of like music that expresses the way he's truly feeling, and he still reminds you that he is that nigga and from that place.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but it's like the song that people so like when we talk about wave, like, you tripping. Like, I don't know what it sounds like right. No, I'm saying, like, I get what he's saying, you gotta get there first. Yeah, so it's like it's like if you would have so like imagine if you heard um Mr. Morale before you heard Good Kid Mad City. You'll be like, I ain't trying to hear this shit. But hearing Good Kid Mad City, damn, and all these other, you know what I'm saying? You're like, open soul. Oh, I understand. And I'm at I'm at that point as a man as well, that matches that, you know, it makes sense to me. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, it's like when people tell me Hove is whack, I'll be like, bro, you sound crazy because it's like you gotta be at a certain stage in life to understand. Like honestly, I felt like I didn't really understand reasonable doubt until I was like late 20s, where I was like, oh, Hove was talking crazy, you know what I'm saying? But imagine being like selling coke 19, even if you ain't selling coke, if you 19, you're gonna look at hold, you're gonna be like, bro, I ain't trying to hear all this talking, like D dropping knowledge, but people don't see it as knowledge.
SPEAKER_07:But I think that also, I mean, like, honestly, to put in perspective from maybe a female's perspective, that's how I kind of felt like about Mary J. Blige, right? I always liked the Mary J. Blige songs because we like Mary J. Blige. But I got older and I was like, ooh. Yeah, that shit hate different.
SPEAKER_00:God damn. You no longer heard it and then you felt it.
SPEAKER_07:I felt it. But what I was also gonna say with music, people like authenticity. Yes. Hell yeah. You always need to remember that. People like authenticity, and sometimes that means placing things that might be, like you said, like you don't want to go too deep from what you was doing. You might talk, I'm not disrespecting any of your music, but just for an example, you might talk about a whole lot of bullshit, but you might throw a little, throw a little verse, a little line in there or something. And it reminds me like Nipsey. But you know, Nipsey going back, if you see his evolution, that's definitely a thing he did. But but if you really listen to Nipsey, he was always throwing that out there. He was extremely he was like he was talking about gangbanging and and this and that and all of that, but he was throwing it in there too. It was a balance, it was a balance. So just remember that. That like, you know, that to still, if that's where you're at in your life, then that's your authenticity, and you should always put that.
SPEAKER_04:My most successful song to date is like a song that's um personal. Like having my daughter in the video and everything. So that's my most successful song. So that's what, but it's like one one, like it took a lot, it it took it took for me to go through some things to really be like, oh, that's really my lane, that's really me. Like, instead of trying to do this shit, because it's like at one point you gotta really look at it like, yo, just cause you're moving don't mean you're moving. You know what I'm saying? Like you be on a treadmill and it feels like you're doing motion, it's motion, but it's really no motion. So it's like when you start realizing certain things and certain things happen to you in life, you realize, like, okay, I thought I was doing something and it just really wasn't. And then that's when you need to get to your authentic self. And when you get to that part, like you said, when you get to that part, then it's like, oh yeah, I'm unstoppable. Exactly. That's what it's all about.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I was got my brain a trauma. You said that. I was like, oh, pussy popping in the club, therapy, niggas. Like just throw it in there.
SPEAKER_07:But pussy popping is therapy for somebody.
SPEAKER_04:No, the strip club.
SPEAKER_07:Pussy popping is therapy for some. The way I feel right now, bitch throw a thing on me. I might be feeling at ease. I'm healed.
SPEAKER_04:No. No. Hey, hold on. The strip club is very therapeutic. Every time I would be like, I would take like crazy L's and go to the strip club and be like, And throw all your money away. Like, fuck me. I'll throw all your money. Never throw all your money away, but like, I don't mind throwing money. I enjoy to me, strip stripping is art. The way they move their body, the way they control their body is art. It's a beautiful thing. I love women. I love femininity. So it's like, I yeah, the strip club be like, when I'm going through something, I'm a person I'm an avid strip club girl. I haven't went in a while.
SPEAKER_02:You got way more blood in your brain than I do at the strip club. I'll tell you how much.
SPEAKER_07:I'm the to actually pay attention to the art. But no, you know what? I think that that's dope because I'm a person that appreciates. The blood isn't in your brain and the strip club. Where exactly?
SPEAKER_05:His penis. Yeah, his penis, I think. You knew that you know.
SPEAKER_07:I did. I did. I did know. I did know. I'm only fucking with it because how Sharon responded to him. That's all she completely went past with this. Because I'm not finna do that right now.
SPEAKER_02:It's like crazy. He's thinking, yeah, crazy strip clubs.
SPEAKER_07:I admire that. Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_04:That kind of uh concentration is amazing. And all my favorite strip clubs have been shut down, and I hate that. My favorite ones are all gone. They gone.
SPEAKER_07:Your favorite what?
SPEAKER_04:Strip clubs.
SPEAKER_07:Oh that's why you need to probably just go ahead and open up a strip club. I'm going to.
SPEAKER_04:I want to open one in uh what's that? Uh, what's over there?
SPEAKER_07:Can I be a bouncer?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you can't. I fight niggas. What's that one? What's that little city over there? That could be the Hemett Club. Yeah, Hemit. You wanna open a strip club and Hemit?
SPEAKER_07:I'm trying to pay you in meth. No, you gotta think.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, this is what I'm saying. Let me tell you, let me tell you. Let me tell you. He's gonna have to have a daycare in the back. I can't even tell you. No, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. See, the reason why you throw it in Hemmett, bro, it's like Vegas. Vegas, before it was Vegas, was just the middle of nowhere. It was nothing there. When you put something there of value and you really invest in it, and you bring like the top-of-the-line strippers, yeah, top of the line athletes, artists come there, boom, boom, boom, it will boost the economy of the city. That's when you start buying all the other shit around the city, start buying property, buying things, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it all comes back to the pot. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07:That's true.
SPEAKER_04:I fuck with it.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I gotta think I'm a person that goes to strip clubs, and I don't when you go to strip clubs, the ones that go is regulars. The strip clubs, there's regulars. And regulars don't look like me, you know what I'm saying? And they're more like kind of creepy looking, and they like to go. They don't want to be seen because they do have a family and they do have things, and Hemitt is kind of a distance where they like they know they ain't gonna get caught, nobody gonna, you know what I'm saying? It's like that's true. I go to Hemett, and I know my wife's crazy. But what kind of strip club are you talking about? Like uh, you know, like upstairs, upstairs nude, downstairs, just top.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, because I'm like, in my experience with strip club.
SPEAKER_04:And I know exactly the location I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_07:The the fully nude ones where you can't sorry, I didn't know. But no, this is why I'm bringing this up because the fully nude ones are the ones where I see the creeps. Like the fully nude ones, there's no drinking. Like I think out here you can't drink in a fully drink. The fully nude ones, those are the ones that are the creeps.
SPEAKER_04:Um I feel like you're more of a creep if you just going for titties.
SPEAKER_07:No, hear me out. Because it's like no, when you're going, are you are you you ain't healed all the way? Because how the hell you think healing is a journey, not a destination. It's definitely not linear, but at the same time, yeah. I don't know how you got that. I don't even know what I was getting. You can't look at coochie, like I can't look at coochie now. No, but why would you think the creepy niggas is looking at the titties and and the regular niggas is looking at the coochie? Because that shit don't even make sense. I think I feel like the regular strip clubs is just it's just like a little function. Like that's how I see it.
SPEAKER_04:I went to uh it's not a strip club if you got pasties on.
SPEAKER_07:Oh my god, please let this girl get her thought out. You went where, ma'am.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I'm not talking about those strip clubs.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I went to Magic City a couple months ago. I was in Atlanta in July and I went to Magic City, and that's a beautiful place. It's cool, it was cool, but it was just wings.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they said they say they got the big wings.
SPEAKER_07:No, for real. I really I didn't see the city. I watched the documentary.
SPEAKER_04:Did you watch the documentary?
SPEAKER_07:No, I didn't. It's a good thing. I didn't. They said it's crazy though. And I believe it. It's like Dallaville. Like we all seen Players Club. Yeah, yeah. It's good. But it was, it was the culture of it, is nobody's really there for the strippers. Like everybody in there partying.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And then you get the guys, like as I went early on a Sunday because I heard the Sunday was the night that it's popping. So I went in there when it had kind of the girls were just kind of walking around, they weren't even dancing yet. I got my wings, you know. I watched me a couple little shake, shake here, shake there, and then I was up out of there. But you could tell that the culture is like when the niggas with money really get there, that's when it really started popping. Like, so it's just it I think it was funny to like kind of see the culture of the strip club. Yeah, but again, I've been to one fully nude and it was just weird vibes in there. I didn't really like it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, all the fully nude ones that I used to go to, they all closed down. Before we get off this tangent, um yeah, we gotta change it.
SPEAKER_02:We gotta change the answer.
SPEAKER_07:I'll say that's a good conversation.
SPEAKER_02:Your methylomia placing him at I see the vision. I appreciate it. The only thing that threw me was if it gets popping, like you say, wouldn't that mean all those people that are avoiding their uh families and people seeing them would have to go elsewhere?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but then but if it's popping like that, I don't give a fuck about them. They just gonna get discovered. You know what I'm saying? No, for real, they just ain't they're gonna be the grassroots following. But once that shit crack, it's like, all right, well, it's like, oh, this is too popular now. Yeah, but they hey, but they but this the thing got it off the ground. Hey, the creeps go during the week. That's a a real regular creep nigga, he goes during the week. Yeah, the the the weekend dwellers are there for the show off.
SPEAKER_07:So you're when you're there, you're really just doing research. He's very research for its beats.
SPEAKER_04:I've had meetings there, I've had conversations, I've you know, I've had a lot of things at different stripes.
SPEAKER_07:When you're in relationships, do you go with your girl?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, oh yeah, I go on my it depends on who my how my girl is, what's her vibe. If my girl is into that type of shit, hell yeah. I done I done had girlfriends when we went to the strip club.
SPEAKER_07:But you ever get a girlfriend from the strip club?
SPEAKER_04:No, I can't. Well, I would though, but the stripper, the stripper girls, they already be having like a nigga, like I don't fuck strippers, but I haven't like been in a relationship. Because I, you know what I'm saying? Because I mean, strippers be trying to be like, they think that you're trying to save them or we call them.
SPEAKER_07:We call them hoes here too. It's okay. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04:I'm just calling it. I didn't want to, I was like, damn, I was getting too comfortable at us, you know, I had to catch it.
SPEAKER_02:As we uh continue on, when did you realize that rap was a lane for you?
SPEAKER_04:What?
SPEAKER_02:Oh because we didn't talk about stripping so long. I was like, God damn, we gotta get back to the house.
SPEAKER_07:He said, please stop talking about the please stop talking about the hoes. It's weird.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, uh man. I realized it. Damn, when did I really? I liked rap since when I first seen Biggie. I always say, like, when I seen Biggie um being a little heavy kid, I was like, oh, he got faith, he got a little Kim. Like, this is what I want to be. This is what I want to be on. This is the type of, you know what I'm saying? So I really, it started with Biggie, but my mom said my first words was wild, wild west. She said, that's the first time. Yeah. So it was almost like it was destined. And I just love music. Like, but yeah, I think that Biggie was like, oh, no, I want to do that. That's the type of shit I want to be on. You know what I'm saying? But then to when when it came to evolving to like, oh, I want to do a record label, I want to do this, I want to be behind the scenes, that came with, you know, like later seeing like, you know, cash money, no limit, other, you know what I'm saying? Things, entities like that later down the line, where I was like, oh shit, what we could do this and put all the homies on, type of thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when Wu Chang came, I was still a little young, so I didn't really understand what was being what was happening. But like just to see those type of movements where it's like, oh, we could, you know, even like when Snoop came, it was like I didn't really understand that he was bringing all his cousins and homies. But now being older, I'm like, oh yeah, that's what you want to do.
SPEAKER_03:That's like put everybody on.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, put it, put your homies on so it's like you're not alone. Because this could be a very lonely work road. Like if you do music long enough, you're gonna be lonely. Because it's like people are gonna fall off, people not gonna want to do it no more. People, and you get to that point where it's like you're the lone soldier, like still doing it.
SPEAKER_07:How old are you?
SPEAKER_04:Man, shit, how old am I?
SPEAKER_07:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_04:Well, because I don't be thinking about my age. I had to think, oh, 38. 38, 38, okay.
SPEAKER_07:I was just trying to see.
SPEAKER_04:And I just got out of jail, so like I had my birthday in jail and stuff. I'm sorry to have that happy birthday, huh? Yeah, yeah. Happy birthday.
SPEAKER_07:What you was in jail for? It's not fun. No, I was asking when your birthday was.
SPEAKER_03:We supposed to ask when your birthday was.
SPEAKER_07:No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_06:I was just gonna say, well, what's your birthday? But I still want to know what you were in jail for.
SPEAKER_04:My birthday June, June 25th. Um sir. Yeah. Uh stuff. I was allegedly in jail for uh larceny.
SPEAKER_07:Allegedly, got it clear. Allegedly. Didn't even do that. We know you didn't do that. Is that money stuff?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's money stuff. Damn. Well, happy birthday. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:I know you said you were influenced or inspired by Biggie. When you first started, you know, when you start trying to find your sound, who'd you sound or try to emulate?
SPEAKER_04:When I first started rapping, damn, who pop? I ain't gonna lie.
unknown:Clap!
SPEAKER_07:God damn it, hit the clap. I'll just rock in a bunch of this man can come back to the podcast anytime you watch.
SPEAKER_04:No, I'm lying. No, no lie. It wasn't pop, it was pop ice cube. Okay, we'll take cube. Yeah, it'll take cute. Honestly, it's cube.
SPEAKER_05:Which pop were you talking? Were you talking digital? Underground. Nah, we're talking about different packs.
SPEAKER_04:Death row. Death row pop. But it was really ice cube. Because I used to really, it's so funny. I was like, if I got if I'm gonna be a rapper from the West Coast, I gotta practice my meme mug. Like I used to really look in the mirror and practice my meme mug. I took it that seriously. Yeah, because Q had the coldest meme mug. That was that nigga regular face. I didn't really get into DJ Wick until later down the city. Like I didn't get in DJ to get into DJ Quick until like after I found out.
SPEAKER_07:Y'all got DJ Quick messed up. Y'all weren't finna have both. I like I like DJ Quick.
SPEAKER_06:I love DJ Quick.
SPEAKER_07:We still weren't finna have a meme mug.
SPEAKER_06:That nigga killed somebody. DJ Quick damn 47.
SPEAKER_07:I hate you so much for saying that. I don't even know what she said.
SPEAKER_02:Who the fuck is 47?
SPEAKER_07:Probably glad I missed it.
SPEAKER_02:I need you to repeat your answer. It was a lot of talking. What part? All of it. Oh, I heard there was like three conversations.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, about DJ Quick?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, I really didn't get into DJ Quick until after Sugar Free. So when I got introduced to Sugar Free, then I'm like, oh shit, this nigga quit quit making the beats and this nigga cold.
SPEAKER_07:Sugar Free just talked shit on the city. He was making beats for sure. He made a lot of them back then. For Shipper Free?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:No, I'm not just talking about for Ship Free. Oh yeah, he made two pocket beats and all types of shit. Everybody beats.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't even, you know, because at that time, like, I ain't gonna lie, like, I like commercial shit, so I wasn't really like looking at the shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, as I got older, I went back. Well, it was kids, then. I'm gonna tell you, DMX made me start looking at like credits. When I like I got the DMX album and I started looking at the credits, then I just started to get into the credits. It's like it was different eras where I got more into, you know, rap and like paying attention to certain things. It's like certain artists had to make me feel a certain way to be like, yo, I wanna know. Like, I remember like listening to Kanye when Kanye College Dropout dropped came out, he made me want to focus on the the uh how to put the song together, like a bridge, a pre-hook, and things like that. Cause it was like I had never heard rap necessarily be that detailed. You know, like I feel like Lauren Hill kind of like set the tone doing it like that, but like then Kanye took it to a whole nother level. It was like Lauren Hill like kind of put the blueprint and then Kanye was like nothing. He perfected it. Yeah, and the thing that people don't understand about Kanye's genius is like it's even a little bit of the outcast influence in there. Cause when you listen to outcasts, it's so many layers to their shit. Like when I heard Rose Aparts, I was like, yo, what the f like that ending part where they like get jiggy, I was like, what the fuck? Like it just changed it. Like they had the motherfucker, what's it the harmonica going crazy? I'm like, oh shit, like this is totally different. Like, and like to think they from the South, it's like, oh shit, this is a cultural, like, it's really a cultural portrait. Yeah, and I felt like that. And then that's how I feel about like Dre. That's why I love Dre, because it's like Dre gives you a cultural portrait. Like, you get to really feel like if you hear, you're not gonna appreciate it as much as imagine if you were in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? It's like being in from Atlanta or Chicago, listening to Dre is gonna make you make college drop albums, it's gonna make you make stank on you. It's gonna make you, it forces you to be like, oh, I gotta, I gotta bring that. You know what I'm saying? I gotta come like I want motherfuckers to put this tape in and feel like they here.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, you wanna know what's dope is that like you just touched on so many people that are not the same. Exactly. I respect the I was gonna say that I I like the attention you pay to detail. Yeah, oh yes.
SPEAKER_04:That's dope. It's because it's like I love it's a it's a beauty in everybody's art. Yes, and you can tell the difference in art. I love that. And niggas just making songs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a lot of dope artists that just, you know, they dope, they make good songs, but they ain't making art. And even in the past, when they be like, oh, the golden era, yeah. That shit wasn't art though. All that shit wasn't art. You can't sit tell me, like, I fuck with hammer, you can't tell me hammer was art. You know what I'm saying? Like, I fuck with hammer though. That was a true example.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's a true MC Hammer was like to me blue face.
SPEAKER_04:Yo, hey, I get into arguments. Hey, it's so funny. And y'all probably gonna y'all not gonna agree with this.
SPEAKER_05:That's disrespectful.
SPEAKER_02:I like MC Hammer. No, I fuck with Hammer.
SPEAKER_07:Sorry, but it ain't he don't have to be sorry. That's your opinion. That nigga is debuting.
SPEAKER_02:That motherfucker got connections. I'm good. No, I fuck with him. Him is like I don't want no problems with him. I don't want no problems with him.
SPEAKER_07:I'm not gonna hammer.
SPEAKER_04:I ain't gonna have to rest in peace of Coolio. That's it wasn't art, but it was cool. It was dope. But it was just dope. But it's like, man, like for example, one of my favorite artists, and everybody who knows me, really know me, know this. I love Nelly. Nelly one of my favorite artists. And I feel like y'all can say what you want, but that country grammar. Okay, that was like you felt like, damn, that's what St. Louis is on, that's what St. Louis sounds like, that's what it feels like. Like, bro, he had Cedric the Entertainer narrating that bitch. Like, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07:Is that the one that has been? The first one, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And it's like when you listen to the lyrics and the songs and the storytelling behind it, I love storytelling. It's like, oh shit, this is really a journey into St. Louis. Like, this is really that's art. Like, to us, it's like, oh, he sold 10 million copies and da-da-da-da. He he he you if you just listen to the singles, cool. But if you listen to the song, songs, if you really dive into it and listen to the album, you'd be like, oh, this is a that was a debate here a few weeks ago.
SPEAKER_07:So I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, that was the debate here.
SPEAKER_04:You was looking at him, he disrespected Nelly. No, no, no. These two were at it. Oh, Nellyville. Hey, I might have to go with that though. It is a better album better.
SPEAKER_05:It is a better album.
SPEAKER_04:But country grammar, you know what made country grammar so special? You never heard nothing like that.
SPEAKER_05:We was like, man, man. Okay, bro.
SPEAKER_04:He made every little, every commercial pop shit gangster. Like, yeah. And he brought his whole city, his first video had the whole city there.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I ain't still ain't seen no niggas. He had fat bitches in there. He had all type of, like, you know what I'm saying? Regular people, strippers, drug dealers, niggas on the grill. He had the tender, uh, what's it the tendernism nigga in here? He had all types of niggas in there in the video. Nigga, here was at the rim shop. Like, it's like, yo, yeah, that's St. Louis. Yeah. Niggas ain't did that to this day.
SPEAKER_02:I can co-sign it, unfortunately. Niggas ain't do that to this day. That's why I never questioned sexy red's authenticity.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, sexy red mama in that. I bet you sexy red mama was in that video. I bet you. I like sexy red.
SPEAKER_02:Sexy red says I can confirm. That's funny. She probably living in St. Louis. This is very true. She's not lying. I like her. I love sexy red. She is authentic.
SPEAKER_07:I kind of mess with sexy red. I ain't even gonna hold it. I like the authenticity. She's not uh like a great lyricist. She's catchy. She's catchy, she she makes catchy music. Sexy red is real.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think people hate sexy. Hey, this is the thing. I think people hate sexy red because white people use her as a weapon. But she being her. Please elaborate.
SPEAKER_03:That's not white people use. Are you talking about Drake?
SPEAKER_04:Huh? No, I'm not talking about, yeah, I guess you can't. No, I'm talking about the white white man. The white is really good. Drake is white man. Touche.
SPEAKER_07:That is a Caucasian person. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:Like white media, like they use her as a weapon for sure. Just how they use NWA as a weapon, just like they white media uses people as a weapon.
SPEAKER_07:Ooh, that's yeah, we can go all day on that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so so I feel like that's why people hate sexy red, but sexual red is just being authentic. I mean, you know, that's her yeah, yeah, to herself. But the media is what's using her as the weapon. Well, because she falls into all the negative stereotypes. But it's her, it's not even a negative stereotype, it's her lifestyle. It's like you gotta think she, I don't know, she's like 20-something. Yeah. Imagine being a 20-something, never had nothing from the hood, gangbanging, baby mama that used to braid hair. Usually like you were just braiding hair last week. Now you got a bag. That's true. That's true.
SPEAKER_07:I like how when she when uh Chris Brown brought her out and she was like, I'm about to do this shit. She was singing her song, she brought Chris Brown over and she started twerking on her. But as a you know, I no, but I feel her. Like the way you said that, like to bring it full circle, I feel her because if I was like just famous out of nowhere, and I'm on stage with Chris Brown, hell that thing on Christopher Maurice, baby over here.
SPEAKER_02:You also do a podcast called Two P's in the Pie. Yeah. How did you get into that?
SPEAKER_04:Man, so my homegirls, so I have a bunch of homegirls, and they always be like, yo, let's do a podcast. But this one particular was like, hey, we come, we we we got a place, we're gonna start shooting, uh, be here Tuesday at this time. And I was like, for sure. Cause I'm down to talk anywhere, but it's like just you gotta put it together. I'm not gonna put it together. You know what I'm saying? So she said, boom. I always wanted to do it. Like, I've been into this podcast space, and I knew this was gonna be like what it is, I knew it was gonna be this. Because it's just like, I don't know, I just had to, you know what I'm saying? I just knew. So she she said, boom, let's do it. And we just started it, and then it just started getting, we just kept going. To be honest, it really, really, it just really was organic, you know what I'm saying? Because uh a side of me was like, nah, a lot of people doing it, so I really didn't want to do it. At first, I'm not even gonna hold you out. I'd rather like because I was like, I am an artist, so I'd rather go to other people's stuff. But then at the same time, I was like, She's like, yo, we want to talk about relationships. And at the time, I was uh still going through stuff, so I was like, oh hell yeah, let's talk. Yeah, I was like, hell yeah, let's talk. Cause it's like I felt like I wasn't gonna be politic, and I still am, I'm not politically correct. I'm speaking for the real men. Like, like I feel like this is the thing, and for every man, right? There's a there's a filter that we might have because we want peace, right? And there's certain things we'll pretend that we we with and we go with because we want peace. And it's like, you know what I'm saying? I speak for the person that's like, look, I'm gonna tell you what's really going on in their mind. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, your person, your husband's a good guy, and he's this person, yeah, yeah. But in his mind, he really doesn't give a fuck about what you're talking about. And this is the reality of it. He loves you, so he's gonna act like he gives a fuck. But genuinely, he doesn't really give a fuck what you're talking about, especially if you're not gonna do anything about it, and if he gives you some input and you don't want to take it and receive it, and da-da-da-da-da, and you're just gonna keep complaining about the same thing. That's just what it is.
SPEAKER_07:And this is every nigga?
SPEAKER_05:Well, I was gonna say, after years of marriage, you talk. Yeah, you don't want to want no problems. After years of marriage, they kind of know the like right here.
SPEAKER_04:Like, yeah, but you know, autopilot, and I talk about all that, it's different questions, it's about the questions, and I'm just giving you the perspective of what I see from I got homeboys, and I'm a nigga, and I've been a nigga for a long time, so it's like I know how things is. So I'm just speaking from the perspective of like, and most niggas, even my the good niggas I know, usually call me and be like, nigga, I'm so glad you touched on that shit. And they be like, because you know I'm you know I'm over here right now and I can't talk about that, but nigga, you had me laughing. Niggas be having to watch their shit in the car because they like, I feel you, you know what I'm saying? And that's just what it is sometimes. So I feel like I speak from that. And she speaks from the feminine, like, oh, you know, did it. I be feeling like she be kind of like, you know what I'm saying? She be trying to be politically correct. That's my nigga though. Shout out, Gabby Curly. But, you know, she be trying to, you know what I'm saying? She be trying to like.
SPEAKER_07:Well, don't be politically correct, girl. They'll still love you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she still be talking crazy though. She talked crazy for the, she talked crazy for the women, because she all every episode she tells me, like, I I I just pray to God nobody ever interacts with. Like, she already be like, I pray you don't find anybody, because you're gonna ruin people. She says it all the time. Fuck. That's crazy, right? But I be like, you know, hey, it is what it is. But it's like people gotta understand, like, it's entertainment.
SPEAKER_07:So it's like I gotta get it. She doesn't have to be politically correct for people to like her, because I ain't said a politically correct thing since I started on this podcast two damn years ago, and people love me.
SPEAKER_04:I know I don't think she does it for people like it. That's just her. You know what I'm saying? That's who she is. And I'm like, she that's what makes it balanced. She's like, she's a very boom conservative, boom, boom, boom type of woman, and I'm ratchet. I'm a nigga, so I get it. Yeah, I'm a ratchet ass nigga. So it's like I be I'm trying to change, though. I'm trying to grow. You don't have to just find your ratchet bitch. Nah, for real. No, but go, go. Nah, nah, that don't work.
SPEAKER_07:This is not gonna be your nigga, so let him go find him a ratchet bitch.
SPEAKER_04:I can't be with no ratchet bitch. I didn't need the ratchet bitch, bro. I'm telling you, it didn't work out for you. Nah, the ratchet bitches don't work out either. Okay. You will I just gotta be single. Yeah, we're gonna. I just need like a couple.
SPEAKER_02:Ah, wow. Okay, um you ready?
SPEAKER_07:I'm already not mad at him because of his previous answer, but yes, I'm ready.
SPEAKER_02:Are you are you ready, Kevin? C.
SPEAKER_07:Sure.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I know you're ready. You ready, Ma? Drummond. I need you to give us your top five dead or alive MCs.
SPEAKER_04:Ooh, I was thinking about this yesterday. Throwing away the trend. The top five. No, I was throwing away the try. I was like, man, like, who really my top five? Like, I have to say it definitely gotta be. Is it like it gotta be the order, like the number? It doesn't have to be an order, just whatever comes to your mind. Okay, ice cube, scarface, Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z. That was fast. I like it.
SPEAKER_07:That's a good one. I love Scarface. I love Scarface, but the Tupac got you in my butt. Yeah. No, for sure.
SPEAKER_06:Because when people don't pick Tupac and they from the West Coast, I'd be like, are you is you cool?
SPEAKER_07:Like, but people don't pick Scarface. And when you talk about toy or storytelling, yeah, definitely for sure. But the main stuff, but the main thing, but you like the common thing here is when they don't pick Tupac and I be like, if you don't pick ice cube and you're from the West Coast, like that's very strange to me too.
SPEAKER_04:I could take oh, so I don't, whatever that's called. But uh, I I would take you not picking Tupac and picking ice cube. I'm not, I'm gonna I'm gonna flip a table a little bit. I feel like I feel like my nigga Snoop is in top 10 though. Snoop gotta be top 10. I don't like Snoop Dogg. I might feel like T. I don't like Snoop Dogg. I don't know. I can't say I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_07:I like old Snoop Dogg, different rappers, different rappers. I like types of old Snoop Dogs.
SPEAKER_04:Well, Snoop got more fire albums than probably a lot of artists. He got more fire albums than a lot of artists. He made doggies, though. He made big things. He made chronic, but he I don't care what. So it's like a great album.
SPEAKER_07:Also a great album. I agree.
SPEAKER_04:He made uh The Last Meal, which is crazy. Blue Carpet Treatment was crazy. Pay the Cost to be the boss. Rhythm and Gangsta is crazy.
SPEAKER_07:He just not my favorite.
SPEAKER_04:But those are songs.
SPEAKER_07:Like we're talking about songs versus like rhythms.
SPEAKER_04:That's an album. These are albums.
SPEAKER_07:No, no, no. Hear me out. You're talking about the songs on the album. Yeah, yeah. I feel you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:But like songs, as in whole makeup of the song versus like lyrically. Lyrically. So you're not going to be able to do that. That's where I do this right here. Because like honestly, like you gotta think about the Snoop got a gang of tight songs. Like Snoop is up here. But at the same time, like I feel like the beginning, like murder was the case and all that type of stuff. That was a different Snoop Dogg than what we came up with when we was later. You know what I'm saying? Like that's some real shit. So not even, I mean, not even because of that, though. Just because like he evolved into what he evolved into. And even as you mentioned. But when you talk about like lyric, like I think a lot of people don't like him. Well, not that they don't like him. People don't throw him out there. But Corrupt to me was like really a lyricist. Yeah, he's a lyricist.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but like Jadekiss is a lyricist, but it's like this is the thing. Corrupt's a lyricist. Jadakiss is fire up. Yeah, Jadekiss is fire. He's a lyricist. Jadekiss is a lyricist, yes. But this is what I'm saying. Even when I say this, they're lyricist. I think Rockim, I mean, uh Rockim's a lyricist. Uh Ray Kwan is a crazy lyricist, but they're not fucking with Snoop Dogg, bro. That's like, let's be honest.
SPEAKER_07:Snoop Dogg is not a lyric dog. Snoop Dogg, nobody's not like as you mentioned, or as you mentioned earlier, Snoop Dogg has the songs where all the different components came together to make a tight ass song. But this nigga not finna get up here and out free. I just watched him do it last night.
SPEAKER_04:Snoop Dogg can freestyle. Don't play.
SPEAKER_07:And Mick Fly desibler.
SPEAKER_04:Bro, Snoop Dogg said he met. He met. Yeah, he can freestyle. I'm not, we're not gonna compare Snoop to this on the same. But I said what I said. But Snoop battled. That's all we can compare. That's why Corrupt and Snoop met because they freestyle battle.
SPEAKER_02:All I'll say is Snoop of old is uh I wouldn't fuck with Snoop of Nah nah nah not. He'll fuck the song up. But I guess it's a good one. I love Snoop as a youth youth. Oh yeah, everybody was afraid of Snoop. Come on.
SPEAKER_04:He could spit. That's why I can spit it. Nigga, that motherfucker, what's that shit? That one, man, he got I don't even, I can't, my mind is so fucked up.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if he smoked too much weed now. But Smook you Snoop? Oh yeah. He was fucking screwed up. That's when he can still go in there.
SPEAKER_05:But he can still walk into Target and shit.
SPEAKER_04:Now Jay-Z, he, but that's why certain artists was the top five versus, you know what I'm saying? You know? Like is it's like, yeah, like like I feel like Q still go bar for bar with that.
SPEAKER_07:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:But it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, I feel like Snoop just in top 10. I ain't gonna say he number 10, but he in the top 10, though. He he in my top 10 in there.
SPEAKER_07:I respect that. I I you got my respect when you said Tupac. I give damn what you said after that.
SPEAKER_04:But I don't feel like Tupac lyrics is crazy like that.
SPEAKER_07:Um, cut his like off.
SPEAKER_04:So that's not uh he ain't no bar smith. Like, let's be real. Let's be real. Bro, if we talking about rap.
SPEAKER_02:I just don't want to be here too much longer with because this is gonna take a while because I got already started first turn up. Um, I would also say this has been a dope episode of Talk Yo shit. Wait, before we get out.
SPEAKER_07:Don't forget to talk about this nigga falling off that goddamn stage.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's so talk this shit, or that's not another that's the we're gonna we're gonna talk about it.
SPEAKER_07:I do need I do need to address you falling off that stage because I watched the video, it was like a jump into your dad.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, all right, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:God bless you, baby. Because I said I literally watched it and said, Is he okay? And then you was kind of just wiggling like a fish out of water.
SPEAKER_04:I was so nervous for you. It wasn't wiggling, I was trying to get up. That was a wiggle. It was trying to get up like a black. I will say not you trying to get up in your shit, bro. If you trying to get up in your shit, you're gonna clap when I first saw the video. And it was moving real slow in my mind. It looked fast, but in the act, it was very slow.
SPEAKER_06:What were you trying to do?
SPEAKER_04:What not so let me tell you.
SPEAKER_07:Stage dive. Did he stage dive? Girl, he didn't. No, it wasn't a stage. It was like a joke. It wasn't a stage. He was finna fuck it up.
SPEAKER_06:I feel like that you landed, you was finna fuck it up. Fuck it up. I swear to God. Fuck it up.
SPEAKER_04:That's the thing. I could tell. I was like, oh, if I make like I wasn't even thinking it was a possibility, I wasn't gonna make that jump. But I thought they was like, oh, this nigga jumping off stage. So everybody was there. I was in LA, and they was in the back. They like all the people, it was people there, but they was like on a LA cool shit, like, oh, who the fuck this nigga is? I ain't never seen this nigga. You know what I'm saying? I came out there, first of all, I had a Versace robe on. I had my jewelry, I had white pants, no shirt on, and I was like, yeah, I'm in a street for now. Popping it like I do. So honestly, I always say that that initial thing that happened was all because of ego. My ego was on another level at that time.
SPEAKER_07:It was that Versace robe.
SPEAKER_04:It was everything. It was Versace robe. I had just came back from Arizona. It was a lot of different energies that was going in my mind mentally. And I needed to be humbled. And I felt like, yo, I'm in Lamert Park. I felt like the promoter was playing with me. I felt like I felt like people, I felt too entitled at the time. And I felt like motherfuckers. So I'm like, man, you got me fucked up. I'm woo-hoop, you got me going on early. I was thinking all this shit. Instead of just being grateful for the opportunity and woo-hoop, I was feeling like fuck y'all. And that's what happened. Yeah, it took a long time. Yeah, it took a long time for it.
SPEAKER_07:Tell homegirl, how is that for some accountability? Thank you. Period. Okay, so we back on your neck, Hammer. Two weeks later.
SPEAKER_02:I said two weeks later. You said it was two weeks ago. Two weeks later. Now look at this. When I saw the fall, because I remember when you posted it, yeah, and I was like, oh shit. Cause I I I could see the look on your face was pain.
SPEAKER_04:Oh man. Uttered. Just so much pain.
SPEAKER_02:And then like the fall, yeah. And you just I saw you try to do this, and you're like, fuck that.
SPEAKER_07:Because you were still finna try the damn rap.
SPEAKER_04:The game wasn't over. Yeah, the game wasn't over.
SPEAKER_07:So must go on.
SPEAKER_04:But uh shout out to Noah, because Noah picked me up. And you know he got a bad leg. So he picked me up. No, noah, that wasn't meant to be like that. That wasn't meant to be funny.
SPEAKER_07:It's just the way he said it, Noah. Sorry.
SPEAKER_04:No, but I'm just saying that to show you the type of person he is. He picked me up off the ground, and he, you know what I'm saying? And I remember sitting here, leg hanging, it's so crazy. And this this uh man came out of nowhere. I don't know if he was homeless, I don't know what the fuck. He came out of nowhere and he was like, Yeah, brother, you need to go to the hospital.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, I this. You know you fucked up, right? Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04:No, he's sitting just like this. Yeah, brother, you need to go to the hospital. And uh I was like, I told my my homeboy who was the hype man scoop, shout out to Scoop. I was like, hey, get we gotta get in the car, we gotta go to the IE. I'm not going to no LA hospital.
SPEAKER_06:No man.
SPEAKER_04:Boom. So they, you know, everybody helped me to get in the car, help my leg, and I got in the car, I ain't gonna lie, bro. I I don't know if I told anybody this, but I think when I got in the car, bro, I like it was probably one of the hardest cries I ever had. So I felt like, oh, this shit is over. This is the sun. Like I took it as, oh, I need to stop. This shit is done. This shit over. I can't. This shit uh dug. You know, and I never thought I would give up. But I was like, yeah, I'm done. This is dud. It's over. I can't do this shit no more. It just broke me. I was broken, like literally and emotionally. So it's like I got in the whip and then boom, boom, boom. And then the next thing you know, um, people texting me, like, oh, I got the footage. Woo-de-boo. And um, I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna just post this shit. Nah, for real, I was like, I'm gonna just post this shit. I saw it on your face. Fuck no. Like, who the fuck am I? Like, why? Like, I to me, still to this day, that shit is unexplainable. Like, it just doesn't make sense. And then what makes it even worse that it still goes viral to this day. It's just like I don't understand it. Like, it just doesn't make any sense. But you know, like, because I feel like, you know, the universe gives you breadcrumbs. And um, every time, like, just like I said, I thought I was done. When that shit went viral, I was like, oh, maybe this is telling me I I could do it, but I gotta change. It's some changes that need to be had. It's it's it's some mental work that needs to be done. And ever since then, that's just what I've been doing. That's just what I've been trying to do. That's good.
SPEAKER_02:So I said when I saw Charlemagne talk about it, I said, God damn.
SPEAKER_04:Man, when the Snoop was actually the first person to post it, that's when it went viral when Snoop posted it. I don't know if he was there. I know like Battle Cat was there. It was a lot of people there. Because it was Lamer. I I forgot what it was for. I want to say Juneteenth. I don't know. I'm not sure. But it was like something like that. And uh, no, it was in July. So I don't know, it was something in July. And um, yeah, there was like a lot of people there that was like Gina views. It was a lot of people there, so it's like it just like, I don't know, I guess somehow Snoop seen it and then boom, he posted it, then everybody started posting it and it just boom, boom, it just like kind of spiraled out the stuff. Did you get any opportunities from it? Um, nah. Well, you know, what's your name hit me out? I don't know if they actually put it on there, but like ridiculousness hit me. Um, I don't know if they put it on there or not, but I know they hit me and they were like, yo, we gonna we, you know, we're interested in the thing and the clip and da-da-da-da-da. And everybody's like, oh, get money. I'm like, bro, I'm I don't need no money. Like everybody's like, yo, you gotta make money off that. It's like, I'm not a per opportunist. I don't look at things, especially things that I actually go, because people don't understand, like, you know, I don't like to talk about it, but like that shit fucked my whole life up. Like, imagine, you know what I'm saying? You like 30 and you break a bone, you gotta learn how to walk again. Like, that shit is like crazy. The money at it cost, it costs. Like, you know what I'm saying? Physical therapy, the bill, the actual, you know what I'm saying? I ain't got no motherfucking insurance. Like that, like it was a comment on there, like, the way this nigga was sagging, I know he ain't got no insurance. And that was a fact.
SPEAKER_08:Damn, that was a fact.
SPEAKER_04:I am a nigga that's out here with no insurance. You know what I'm saying? Like living treacherous as fuck. So it's like, when that shit, it's like nigga, I had to rebuild my whole shit, and I had just bought a house. So it's like, what the fuck? Luckily, I had already moved in because I would have been fucked. You know what I'm saying? So I had already moved in, boom, and then I'm now I'm on the couch. Like I'm bedridden for a while, and you know what I'm saying? Money's dying because with me, I make money when I move. If I can't move for a year, I'm not make- that sounds preposterous. That changes my whole dynamic. You know what I'm saying? That changes the whole dynamic of my household, and it fucks my whole household up. And it did fuck my whole household up. So it's like when people talk about it, it's like, I joke. This I can laugh about it now. But in the midst of it, that shit fucked my whole life up. It had to really start over. It's like getting shot in a sense. It's like, yo, it fucked everything up. And then you start doing desperate shit, and then you get you, you know what I'm saying? You do certain things, you get trying to get back to where you were, and then boom, what happens? Now you're in jail.
SPEAKER_07:It sounds like what you gained spiritually though was more than what you would have gained on a monetary level.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. My ment like where I'm at mentally, everything I went through is, man, it's beautiful. I love it. Like I like, like it revealed everybody. Like it revealed everybody who they were, what they, you know what I'm saying? I love the relationships I had, and they were what they needed to be for me at the time that I had them, but I I love that they're not there anymore, even more.
SPEAKER_08:You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Like I love what it was, but I love that it's gone. Cause now I know it's over. You know what I'm saying? Like I know like where I'm coming out on the other end, it's like, oh yeah, that's why I didn't. That's why it didn't work this whole time. Cause you was here, or you was there, or you was there. Now you're gone. That's shit. Oh, it's over.
SPEAKER_07:That was profound.
SPEAKER_04:And I know better. Cut the cords. Yeah, and I I love too hard, so I couldn't do it.
SPEAKER_05:They had to do it themselves. Turn it off. Sorry. I didn't mean to laugh at you when you said I was I'm 30 with a broken bone when I was the last one.
SPEAKER_08:No, that relax.
SPEAKER_04:That shit was hard to come back. What? I don't drink milk. All type of shit. Like, nigga, my bones was brittle as fuck. Nigga, bro, I just got my first uh deep clean at the dentist. Like recently. My first, like since like I was a kid. Like, man, I was at the dentist, they were talking to me crazy. They were like, nigga, what are you doing? I'm like, bro, you can't say that word. They're like, nigga, you gotta do better with these teeth. So I'm like, nigga, I'm I'm getting my shit together. Like, I'm getting my shit together. Hey, nigga, I had a tooth in the back. Like, you know, niggas, you know, we're getting at that age where that back tooth start getting worrisome, right? I had a tooth in the back, nigga. I got that shit pulled in jail. She was fucking without.
SPEAKER_07:That's the best place to do it.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, it wasn't a wisdom tooth, it was just a fucked up tooth. Just one of them fucked up tooth. Like, you know, the niggas like, damn, this nigga missed a whole back tooth.
SPEAKER_05:Free don't mean it's good.
SPEAKER_04:No, it wasn't free. No, it's not free. Nothing's free in jail. It wasn't free. But it was ten dollars. And you can't get a tooth took, you can't get a tooth took out your mouth for ten dollars nowhere. That's facts.
SPEAKER_07:That's almost free. I learned something new to that.
SPEAKER_04:When they took it out for 10, I was like, oh, they got them for 10? Oh, can I take four? I wanted to get the wisdom. She pictures a nigga excel man.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:No, I was a real dentist. The crazy shit, nigga had his foot on my chest. It was a it was a whole thing. Damn. Oh, that's it. Yeah, it was a serious pull. He really pulled that bitch. Because he said he didn't want that bitch to break up. Because if it broke up, it was gonna be a lot more work. No, that's it. So he was trying to get that whole bitch out.
SPEAKER_07:You tell stories so good. I'm about to go home and listen to all your music because you tell stories so damn good. I have to hear what your music is like.
SPEAKER_04:I'm just very detailed because I know exactly how it happened. Because not the nigga put his foot on my chest. No, he had to put it on my chest. I'm a big nigga, and he like really had to get that big ass thing in my mouth and key. He like, nigga, stop moving your tongue. Stop moving. And he called you nigga? He didn't say nigga. The other nigga that did the deep clean called me a nigga. He didn't move on. Was he also a nigga? No, he was Asian. And I told him you can't say that.
SPEAKER_07:He was in my mouth.
SPEAKER_04:I couldn't.
SPEAKER_07:Was this in jail?
SPEAKER_04:No, no, no. The second dentist was in jail.
SPEAKER_07:No, the Asian nigga, the Asian nigga's the one that's. Dennis a real dentist. What kind of Asian was he? Was he like a he didn't say nigga? You missed you. Cambodian?
SPEAKER_04:I was probably on an anesthesia. He did it though. He cleaned my teeth. Yeah, because I used to have, it was a Spanish lady that was cleaning them first. And then the last the last treatment, the last deep clean was an Asian.
SPEAKER_02:Check out M16. Let people know where they can find you at on social media and the cash on demand.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's uh M16TheGreat on uh all platforms. Except TikTok. I just started TikTok. It's M16909. Oh, M16 the Great 909. Um Yeah, man. And then uh tune in to two P's in the pod. It's two P-E-E-Z A-N-D-A-P-O-D. Every Tuesday. We live on Tuesdays. I would love for y'all to shime in and tell us like some shit or hear how ratchet it gets. And um it's live every Tuesday, and you can tune into that too as well.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Seven o'clock. I'll be I'll be tuning in.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I'm gonna be able to do it. M16, you're a vibe. Every time I come around you, you make me laugh. You you say some insightful shit, and you've always kept it 100 with me. So uh I thank you for being a guest on here. Hell yeah. Appreciate you. You're always welcome back.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Always.
SPEAKER_04:That was I thought that was quick. That was it? Oh, okay. Yeah. I appreciate being here. I thought we were gonna dig deeper. Okay, well, hey.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, we we've we've dug as deep as we could.
SPEAKER_07:Listen, you done told us about bitches at the strip club, your leg done broke, you done told us about uh a detailed description of what all the rappers do. If you need uh your we're well informed if you need to go to jail, steal a candy bar.
SPEAKER_06:Baby, they're gonna put a motherfucking knee on your neck to take away. No, y'all wanna hear how I got arrested? Can we talk about that?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's too much. We might have to get a Patreon out this one. Okay. If we I can talk about it because it's a crazy ass story.
SPEAKER_06:Is it quick? Because I want to know.
SPEAKER_04:It's kind of quick. You know, y'all wanna hear it?
SPEAKER_07:Nigga, tell your stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, let me tell you.
SPEAKER_07:So this is talk your shit.
SPEAKER_04:Let me tell you. No, this is talking shit. Let me tell you. So boom. Um, I ain't gonna tell you what led up to it. So boom, I'm at the airport, right?
SPEAKER_07:Let me tell you. So can you tell us off the camera?
SPEAKER_04:I could possibly, okay. Look, I'm I'm I'm all way, I'm I'm going to Mexico for my cousin's wedding. So I'm on my way to Mexico for my cousin's wedding. I'm at the airport. Boom. So for some reason I'm rushing. So I'm rushing, so I'm sweating. Like I'm sweating profusely, but I don't understand it. And I'm like, damn, why the fuck am I sweating? But I feel like that was my spidey sense, and I ain't listened to it. So boom, I'm in here, I'm sweating, I'm like, God damn, like what the fuck? And um I'm about the board. Boom, I got my shit. I'm about to board. I'm bored. Niggas come up, two, two, two, two uh white niggas coming to me, like, just grab my like my carry on. I'm like, oh shit. Like, I probably I'm thinking, oh, I got bumped up to first class or something. And they was like, oh, they're like, oh. They was like, oh, Marquan, Thomas. I was like, yeah, what's the last four of your social? I'm like, oh, okay. First class. First class, they asked you social. I was like, boom, boom, boom. They're like, oh yeah, sir, you're under arrest. I'm like, huh? Yeah, you're under the arrest. Come on, this is the side. I'm like, I was like, nah, I'm being pumped. Nah, this gotta be, I'm getting pumped. No, you're going to jail. Boom. Put his arms around me, rest me. And then so I'm like, oh shit, nah, this nigga lying. I'm going to jail. I had the haircuffs on. So boom. We in the airport. We're walking through the airport. Niggas pulling cameras out. I'm like, oh, this going, this is another, what the fuck? All I'm thinking about is the jumping off the scene. Yeah, I'm about to go viral again. This is part two. This is that bullshit. So I'm seeing cameras. So and then the niggas start, you know how poly, I don't know if y'all know how police is, but police like, I'm in a Nike tech. He like, man, you a big guy. I'm like, yeah. He's like, how did you get a Nike tech in this size? I'm like, hell no. He's like, isn't this? This nigga said, isn't this? This is athletes wear, right? Bro, that shit had me blown. I was like, huh? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I found it on our website. He's like, that's crazy. What size do you think it goes up to? What is this? I was like, it's a forex. He's like, oh my God. So I'm like, he just talking, I'm just like pissed. So boom, we get to the, we get to the down there. They put me, they handcuffed me to the and like, all right, we got to call Texas. If they say would let you go, we'll let you go and you can catch another flight, but you have to pay for it. But if they say you got a code, we gotta see you in Texas. So I'm like, all right, for sure. I'm about to go home. Because I ain't never been to Texas. Like I haven't been to Texas since 2012. So I'm like, okay. Texas, like, nah, bring his ass here. Boom. So now I'm going to jail, jail. So boom, first day, boom. They take me to the real jail, to the to the little airport jail. I get the airport jail first two days. So I've been so at this in this story, I've gone to I'm gonna go to three jails in this story. So that first day, you know, you go to jail. First two days you're gonna well, I slept first two days because I'm like, fuck, I'm in jail. I'm depressed. I'm they got me on Thursday. I'm not going to court till Monday. Boom, I'm just depressed. I'm just like, what the fuck? I'm in jail. But I wake up, it's another nigga in the cell. I'm sizing him up, like, am I either beat this nigga ass or is he cool? He end up being cool. So we're talking, but he's stressing, he's crying and shit. And I'm trying to be positive, like, hey, bro, you know, God, God, it-da-da-da. He's like, hey, my nigga, I'm gonna tell you something. Where you going, that positive shit ain't gonna fly. You're gonna have to, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to wrap that shit up. Bro, and I'm just like, noted. So from then, my whole energy shifted. I'm like, all right, nigga, you're in jail. That positive shit is out. Boom, boom. From there, Monday, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get out. Monday come, go to court, boom, boom, boom. I go to the LA jail court. So we get to LA, you know, like to, you know, downtown LA. First of all, that shit is scary. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. That shit is crazy. It's all types of gang niggas. And I'm like, all right, we in jail. So what I do, I walk past all these niggas, go to the back wall, and I put my back against the wall. So I'm like, nigga, they're not gonna get behind me. I'm about to be whoever. You know what I'm saying? All they did, nigga, I'm about to be squabbing. For fighting. So boom. That end up being cool. Get to court, they like, yeah, you're going to Texas. They said you could either if you either wait, what do you what do you say? Wait 30 days till they come and get you. Um, and then if they don't come get you in 30 days, you're free. Or you could stay here for 90 days and you don't have to go to Texas at all. So what would you do? What would you do if that you had that? Would you pick the 30 or the 90?
SPEAKER_07:Uh probably pick the 90 days because if you go up in 30 days, then aren't you gonna have to face the trial? It's you possibly have to go to trial if you go to Texas, right? Yeah. Something do the 90 and be done.
SPEAKER_04:No, you ain't gonna be done, but you still you still gotta have to go to the trip, you gonna have to do the trick. You still gotta go. Oh, you still gotta go try between. Yeah, yeah, me.
SPEAKER_07:I haven't either.
SPEAKER_04:So y'all would y'all take the y'all take the 90, you'll take the 90. You'll take the 90, y'all take the 90. I guess I'm an idiot because I took the 30. I was like, I'm what 30 days? They ain't gonna get me in 30 days. I'm gonna go home. Boom. Took the 30 niggas got me in 10 days.
SPEAKER_07:Did you still have the warrant in Texas for?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but they got me in 10 fucking days. It's Texas, though. That's what they said. That's what they said. They said, nigga. Nah, they would have they would have had to come, they would have had to bring the case to LA. Yeah, they would have had to bring all the charges to LA. So I would have fought the case in LA. But I would have to be in jail for 90 days, which I end up being in jail longer than 90 days, so I should have just stayed in LA and did the 90 days. But let me tell you about LA. So I give me LA County, like, so I get to LA County jail, the Twin Towers. Yes, so I get to the towers. So I walk in this bitch and I'm like, okay, first thing they say, give me 30. Like I'll take the 30. Strip. Take everything off. I'm like, or like, like right now, like they like, get naked. So we are butt ass naked. I'm with all these. I'm like, okay, we in jail. But ass naked, right? Boom. From there, they like, all right, go over here. So it's like you have to do all this other shit, but you're naked doing this shit. Like, you gotta talk to this person, do this, all butt naked. Like you just asshole naked, boom, with a bunch of other naked niggas. So boom, you doing this.
SPEAKER_07:Now you know how that nude strip club feels.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so no, but you ain't getting no money for this shit. You just up there naked. So boom, you go there, they give you the shit. They don't give you your size for one. You like, oh, I wear a size 13. The longest we got is 11. Make it work. Like, goddamn, nigga, 13 and 11 is a big ass gap. So boom, you doing that. They take, they put you in the shower. You in the shower with 30 niggas. Oh no. Well, not just niggas, all types of, you know, everybody. You're in there with 30, they lock the door. Boom, boom. What you think happened when they lock the door? Fades. Everybody fades. Everybody going every different hood. You see blood everywhere, shit going crazy, niggas falling sliding, and it's the shower. And you're like, what the fuck? First, first of all, the shower cold is a bitch. It's cold as a bitch. So you in there, like, what the fuck? You over there, like, okay, nigga, like trying to see what's going on, boom, boom. At the same time, wash your body, getting through it, boom, boom. And then I remember it was this nigga from Gray Street. He took his, he was like, hey, bro, I ain't gonna lie to you, OG. Because you know, at this point, niggas calling you OG and shit, because you older. So they like, I ain't gonna lie to you, OG. You might want to be a trustee. I was like, you know what, young man? Hey, I'ma say, hey, I'm gonna jail, I'm gonna take the OG. You know what, young man?
SPEAKER_00:Young man, I might take your advice.
SPEAKER_04:So boom, first thing I did, you know, first of all, we in that shower for two hours. There's no exaggeration. You in that bitch for two hours. Niggas is constantly fighting. Boom, you got out there, you like, boom, I wanna be a trustee. First thing I say, hey, put me in a trustee tank. I want to be a trustee. Boom. So I ended up getting in there, it took you first of all, you sleeping in the waiting room for like a day and a half. So you gotta sleep in the little waiting room because they don't got beds. Then you go, boom, you get there. Now I'm a trustee. Time goes. Two days later, I'm in Texas. How do I get to Texas? These niggas handcuffed me, they put me in a van with three other niggas. And two women, one woman that she was uh on drugs trying to what is it called when you're getting off drugs? Detox. She was detoxing, so she was shitting and throwing up on herself the whole ride.
SPEAKER_06:Oh no.
SPEAKER_04:And on the ride, on the fucking van. So we on this van for 32 hours to Texas with a bunch of niggas because we gotta stop and do this and all this other shit. So boom, you go through that crazy ass ride, right? That happens, then boom, you get to Texas, and now it's like, okay, it's time to do your real time. But everybody was on the phone when I was here, like, oh nigga, when you get out, I got you, you got your bill. Right? Now, in LA, you only gotta pay 1% of your bill. Or your, you know what I'm saying, of your bond, you only gotta pay 1%. In Texas, you gotta pay 10. Right? So I didn't even know what my my bond was until I got to Texas. I got to Texas, my bond was 250,000. So that means I had to pay 25,000. I had I had 2,500.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I ain't had no fucking 25,000. And niggas was not trying to put 25,000 together for my black ass.
SPEAKER_05:They said you're gonna have to wait.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because I would be the nigga that would put the 25,000 together. So they like, oh yeah, you're you're you're in that bitch. Right? So boom, I was in there and um I didn't really know what I was in there for for three months. And then on the third month, when I um got my uh public defender, he told me all the details of what I was in there for. And then that's when they started giving you the deals, telling you, like, oh, you got this much time, this is da da da da da da. But if you do this, you won't da-da-da. And I'm like, I don't know nothing, I don't know nothing about this. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I just stood on that, and you know what I'm saying? They looked at my music, they looked at my videos, they looked at everything, and they're like, Well, look, this is what this is what we're gonna give you. You can take it, or we can take it to trial. If you take it to trial, this is what you're up against. So, me being a black man, knowing I'm in Texas, knowing Jim Crow, knowing all this shit, I was like, yo, I ain't taking that shit to trial. So, whatever you got, let's make it happen. So they gave me, you know what I'm saying? They gave me the probation, and they was like, yo, you know, my probation is very strict, very severe type shit. So it's like any fuck up is is a rap. So that's just where I'm at. That's but I appreciate what I learned from the experience. I was able to read the first time I was able to read a book straight through, front to back, because of jail, and I started reading. I started getting myself uh right, working out, doing different things. So it I always hate it when people say it, but when you in it, it's just like yo, something about the experience did. It was kind of beneficial, I ain't gonna lie, in a sense. But I wish I didn't have to go through it to learn myself and go through what I had to do, but it did help me. At least you took it the right way.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, at least you got the lesson. All I had to do was hear you. I ain't gonna never do it. Don't go. I would say I would recommend nobody to go, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Because I went niggas in there fighting and Jay-Z, I was like, oh nigga, I'm never going to jail, nigga. But then that shit happened. Like, that's Texas, though.
SPEAKER_02:They do some foul shit. Well, again, it's that this has been uh the heavyweight podcast talk your shit. He said it was gonna be a short story. That was not a short story, it was kind of long. But it was entertaining as fuck.
SPEAKER_04:It was a good story.
SPEAKER_02:It was a good story, it was worth it. She didn't like it.
SPEAKER_04:I don't feel like she liked the story.
SPEAKER_02:It was a good story.
SPEAKER_07:Me? Oh no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02:It was entertaining as shit.
SPEAKER_07:You're entertaining as shit.
SPEAKER_02:But again, like, subscribe, share, and comment. We appreciate him for being here and telling us all this crazy entertaining.
SPEAKER_07:We learned a lot today. It was fun enough. Yeah, no, you're funny as well.
SPEAKER_02:But so next time, we love you. Peace. Hey.
SPEAKER_07:Hey, you're funny as fuck. I'm a talk, mom. This has been another episode of the Heavyweight Podcast. Talk your shit. One thing about me, baby, I'm showing up every week to see who coming to talk they shit. Y'all better show up with me.
SPEAKER_01:See you there.
