Rev It N Go Reviews | Spider-Man: Homecoming | MCU Phase 3 | A Peter Parker Movie

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_01 0:21

Hello and welcome back to the Reven and Go Reviews Podcast. We're here back in the MCU, continuing it. I'm your host, Andy. I'm here with Adam, still celebrating the fact that Histy Hawks won the Super Bowl. Yes, I'm still bugged about it. Hell yeah. Yeah, truck, man, baby. Woo! Sorry. Yes. There's no need to be sorry about it. Just know that if the Rams won the Super Bowl, which we should have, if we won the Super Bowl, it'd be they would hear it at the beginning of every intro. Just know that. So you know what? You technically have until you're eliminated from the playoffs or contention or whatever to celebrate. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, you know, they just confirmed that the next season of Hard Knocks is going to be based on the Seahawks. So congratulations for that. Yeah, congrats to the Seahawks for making sure that the Patriots didn't win another Super Bowl because, like I said, they were they were great for 20 years. They deserve to be shit for 20 years. Yes. So thank you, Adam. Thank you, Seahawks. Should have been the Rams, but thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:39

I saved the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yes. The real Super Bowl was your Seahawks versus my Rams. That was the real Super Bowl. And everybody knows it.

SPEAKER_06 1:50

That game rolled, dude. That game.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Yes. Yes. Um we could probably do a whole podcast talking about how the Rams should have won. But we're not doing that here. We're here to continue our Road to Doomsday because we're here with the MCU. We're heading back into phase three of the MCU. Check out our last episode where we delved back into the X-Men universe where we discussed the superior sequel to the first X-Men, and that was X2, X-Men United. Check that episode out if you haven't already. But we're here today to talk about the third version of Spider-Man. We're talking about Spider-Man Homecoming, Tom Holland Spider-Man. We officially, after this movie, will have talked about every version of Spider-Man. And you know, I'll say it. We still don't got a bad Spider-Man. We can we can live and die on that hill. That we've never gotten a bad Spider-Man. You know. Yeah. Um, so yeah, we're going over Spider-Man Homecoming. You know, besides his, you know, him being in civil war, this version of Spider-Man. This is Spider-Man, Peter Parker in the MCU. This is MCU Spider-Man. So it's gonna be exciting to talk about that. Before we get into it, which will be soon, make sure to follow us over on Instagram at Revan and GoPod over on Instagram for quick movie review reviews by me and Adam. Adam recently just did his one piece season two live action um review for it. So go check that out over on Instagram at Revan GoPod, as well as a bunch of other fun posts over there. Check out our letterbox at Revan and Go for a bunch of other reviews over on there at Revan and Go. Okay, Adam. I'd even ask, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_06 3:42

I'm doing alright. Uh I just got done grocery shopping, uh box and stuff, got some pizza today, so you know the day and now we get to talk about Spider-Man. I love me talking about some Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Yes. Let's hop into it, Adam. I just I have this question for you, real quick. What do you think of the Spidey of the new Spidey suit?

SPEAKER_06 4:08

I like it. You gotta you have to constantly make it different, and I feel like this is a unique design that fits with the original, or fits with the you know, the traditional Spider-Man look without you know looking too crazy, you know. I like this. I like the I like the sign five suit, the high-tech suit.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Yes, we'll get into it in a bit about people's complaints about the spidey suit and more of like the stuff that comes with it, like how techy it is. We'll get all of that into a bit. But this movie from the get-go um gives us our origin to our villain of the movie, and that is played by Michael Keaton of all people. I love me some Michael Keaton. I'm sure you do too, Adam.

SPEAKER_06 4:54

Me too. Uh, me too. One of my favorite Batmans. Fantastic actor, man.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Mm-hmm. He plays Adrian Tombs in this movie, aka the Vulture. Um, right off the bat, they're like, hey, they also give us right off the bat, they give us his origin story of how he essentially decided to become the vulture. And it's it's it's cool how um this stems from well, the Avengers problem. The Avengers movie, you know, he's cleaning up uh Chitari debris and all that stuff, and he's gonna collect it and sell it and all that stuff, and then the DOD's like, yeah, no, get out of here. And he was like, you know what? F the government. We're taking it all, and that's how the Volshe's born. Quick and simple.

SPEAKER_06 5:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

They established you get motive, get motive and reasoning like that, and it's like it makes so much sense. And like it's cool that we get to see on a ground level.

SPEAKER_06 5:57

Like the Marvel, I don't know, because like with the Marvel MCU, we don't really get to see like how like the you know, all these crazy worldly advance affects like the everyday people like that. And I like the angle they take, like, yeah, we're just like because you know, Spider-Man's supposed to be like uh you're you know a local hero, the you know, the gr the street level hero, you know?

SPEAKER_04 6:18

Yeah, and so like you know, a hero to the people, and like it's cool that we get to see the people being represented in an MCU movies, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yes, we get that pretty good quick intro to then an immediate time jump because as we all know, Avengers, the first Avengers movie, takes place in 2012, and then it says, here's here's the here's the confusing part. Here's the confusing because right off the bat, I'm like, oh no. Why? And that's because from we know the Avengers takes place in 2012. The immediate next scene is it cuts to black and it says eight years later. Let's do the math, guys. 2012, eight years later, 2020, Adam. I failed math. Is that right? What? I said I failed math, is that correct? No, that is not correct. It's even wait, wait.

SPEAKER_06 7:07

Eight years later, 2012?

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Yeah, 2012. Eight years later is 2020. Yeah, that's correct. Right? This movie, Spider-Man Homecoming, comes out in 2017.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

So is it telling me that in even though this movie came out in 2017, it takes place during the year 2020?

SPEAKER_06 7:32

Yeah, I I I guess.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

I'm pretty positive that's a mistake because uh Avengers uh Endgame, no, let's just say Infinity War. Infinity War takes place in 20 uh 18. And then they do that five-year time jump, making it 2023. Right? Yeah, which means this my point is that eight-year time jump just was wrong. Right out of the body, but you know what? Guess what, guys? We're in store for another Spider-Man movie. I was sitting there being like, I I I'd want to do this quick math in my head, but I'm kind of enjoying the fact that I'm seeing Spider-Man on the big screen. Because you can never go wrong with seeing Spider-Man on the big screen. And plus, I can I sitting there watching this movie, I was like, I've been sitting down, I've gotten to see every single Spider-Man movie in theaters.

SPEAKER_06 8:35

I think I have too, actually.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Yeah, it's it's amazing. We can say that, Adam. We can say that. I'm sure so can a bunch of other people, but yeah, it was just really nice to say that. Um the uh and then immediately after that, we get this vlog style behind the scenes of sp uh Happy picking up Peter and taking him to what is it, Germany, so that way he could fight Cap and them from civil war. That was really cool to see. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:08

We get Peter's side of those events, which is cool. It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yes, very funny. It's kind of a shame that that vlog style thing. I don't like we can just assume like okay, he wanted to do this because it's really cool. Okay, I I kind of thought that would kind of be his thing, you know, like where he does like these vlog style things. Uh it doesn't continue in any of the future Spider-Man movies.

SPEAKER_06 9:32

Yeah. Um, that was cool to see.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Yeah, it doesn't. And then for once we get to see, I mean, we kind of got it in the last two Spider-Mans, but we got to see a Spider-Man or a Peter Parker, really, in school. What did what did you think, Adam? Of like, okay, we got Toby Spider-Man was in school, but like in the first movie, he graduates already. Um, yeah, even though Andrew Garfa's Spider-Man was in high school, and he doesn't graduate in the first movie, he graduates in the second one. But in the first movie, he's in school, but like he's also not in school. Because like they're just like, hey, by the way, he is a high school student, but we're not gonna show him in the high school really at all, ever. What did you think of finally getting to see a Spider-Man, you know, having to go to school? Because you know, he's a he's 16 years old. Did you like it?

SPEAKER_06 10:29

Yeah, I did. Uh so the thing with those first two movies is they're in high school, but you really don't buy that they're high school for a minute. Like, especially remember that first Spider-Man scene where they're talking, remember when the teachers like they're first going into that lab of that first scene? Yeah, and the teacher shows up, and I'm like, wait a minute, that's the teacher if he looks the same age as because no one in that age, because like Toby and uh was it Toby McGuire, uh Kirsten Dunce, and uh what was it?

SPEAKER_01 10:57

James James Franco.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

James Franco, they don't look like high schoolers for a second.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Nobody there looked like high schoolers.

SPEAKER_06 11:06

No one looked like high schoolers, and the teacher shows up and is like, I'm like, they're like, I was like, this is what's he, the teacher? He was the same age as the rest of you.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Maybe he was the class representative. Maybe he was the the I maybe he was the Ida of their class.

SPEAKER_06 11:21

I I don't know. It was funny as awesome.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

But then like plus we knew like the ages, we knew the ages of Toby and Andrew going into their movies. Yeah, they were I think Toby was like in his late 20s. I think Andrew might have been like 30 when he got cast as Spider-Man. So it was I think it was really nice to see a Spider-Man not just be in school like for real and have to go to class, but actually look the part.

SPEAKER_06 11:50

Yeah, he I could actually buy that he's in high school.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

I'm like, oh my god. You know, at the time of recording, we have just gotten not that long ago uh the Spider-Man brand new day trailer, and then it hit me that we've been with this Spider-Man, Tom Holland Spider-Man, for 10 years.

SPEAKER_06 12:10

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Because he, you know, debuted in Civil War in 2016, and it's now 2026, and we're still we're still with Tom Holland.

SPEAKER_06 12:22

The longest running Spider-Man, which is crazy. Hey, the longest running Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yeah, absolutely insane. And he didn't just get his own movie. Uh you know, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but it was cool to see a Spider-Man actually have to go to school. Um, it was cool to see not saying the Toby McGuire's Spider-Man. What happened?

SPEAKER_06 12:47

Is is he isn't he like a sophomore too? If he's not like a sneaker, he's a he's a sophomore, yeah, right? Yeah, he's a sophomore. Oh, so he's I thought that was like, oh, cool. So we're gonna be a real young senior partner. Yeah. Because like the rest of them are, I think, seniors, right? It all starts with them as being in their senior year.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Yes. Even though Andrew Garfield Spider-Man is like, I'm pretty sure he's a senior, and then he's still in school by the end of the first movie, and then he graduates at the beginning of the next movie.

SPEAKER_07 13:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

For Toby's, by the time we get to the third one, he's like in college, he's doing stuff. I think he graduates halfway through the first movie. Not even halfway, yeah. I think he by the time he graduates, um he graduates early on because he he graduates when Goblin becomes well, goblin. Yeah, yeah. But so yeah, it was cool to see again uh Peter Parker actually in school. Um, it was cool to see this young friendship of Ned and Peter, they legit feel like 16-year-olds in school, because I'm pretty sure they were 16-year-olds in school. Did you hear that because Tom Holland, um guys, breaking news, he's not American, so and so he doesn't know what school over here is like. So to prep for this movie, they sent him to a legit school, a legit school in America, and not just like your typical random public school, they sent him to like a really smart school for like a science school. I don't even know what school it was, just so he can see how school was. He went there for a week, or maybe not even a week, he went there for a few days. And yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, and then that some girl was just like, hey, what's your deal? Because like you just randomly show up towards the end of the school year and you're only gonna be here for like a day or two, so like what's your deal? And this is and he's like, you know, I can't tell you, I can't really tell anybody this, but I can I tell you a secret? She goes, Yeah, and he goes, Again, this is Tom Holland. He goes, I'm Spider-Man. And he and the girl goes, the girl goes, Yeah, okay, dude. And then he was gone the next day because he, you know, he had to go film.

SPEAKER_07 15:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

So imagine being that girl or that person that is just like being told by somebody that they're Spider-Man, and you're just like, Yeah, whatever. And then the kid's gone. And then you see them on the screen a year later or something.

SPEAKER_06 15:23

Oh, yeah. Like seven, she's like seven?

SPEAKER_01 15:26

She was Spider-Man. That's a hell of a story. Hell of a story. Um, yeah, I like the friendship between Ned and Peter. Um, feels very genuine. From just their hey, let's talk them talking about Star Wars Lego.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

Apparently they're really good friends in our real in real life, the actors.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

I bet. I've seen a bunch of their I've seen a bunch of Peter's uh Peter's my bad Tom Holland's Instagram stuff since since this movie came out, really. Yeah. Yeah, but they seem like really good friends in the movie. This it this feels very genuine, um, even from just like, hey, they're both into Star Wars, they're building Star Wars Legos. They geek out over they got this new Lego Death Star. It's like X amount, X amount thousand pieces of Legos or whatever. They're out there again, as all teenagers do, checking out the girls in school.

SPEAKER_06 16:26

Very accurate.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I can attest. Um, what did you think, Adam? What I really want to know your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure you told me and I don't remember. But what was your opinion on this version of the MCU's Flash? Oh, Flash. Because as we all know, Flash in the last two movies has been your jock bully. This Spider-Man, they do something different.

SPEAKER_06 17:02

They don't make him a jock, they just it's a school pool of like it's a school I guess they had to be something different because it's a either he's in a school pool of like like it's a tech school for like intellectuals, apparently. Um it's like you know, like a fancy private school that he's going to. And the freaking flash is just some he's just as big a dork and he's even bigger dork than Peter is, honestly. They make him I love the character, but it's not Flash. This is not Flash Consent. This is just their version of it.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Yeah, I totally get, especially in 2017, I'm pretty sure we're past the whole, you know, tall, white, jock, football player, basketball player, um, bully. Um, I'm pretty sure we're past that because we know that bullies come in all shapes and sizes. And even though even though this Peter, not this Peter, even though Tom Holland, the actor, is taller than the actor who plays Flash, not by much, but he is taller, um, played by Tony Revellori. Even though he's taller than him, he's still intimidated by Flash. Because when he's trying when he's like insulting him and then like not pressing him, but like walking towards him, Peter still like you know backs off.

SPEAKER_06 18:46

You know, as one does. Uh so here's the thing people point out that Flash this flash is the more uh is a better representation of the modern bully. Because you know, the jokes like that don't exist anymore. There's no like big A-hoes going around punching people because you know you wouldn't get away with that nowadays. Yeah. Uh so they're saying that this is a more modern bully approach to them. Which I'm like, okay, that's fair. Which I'm like, I I get, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

I agree. Um, so you know, it's a nice way to do your own version of like add your own spell on this. Like, okay, we're not gonna do your typical bully, we're doing something new. And I can respect it. We also get our first look at Michelle, aka Zendaya, who from the get-go just seems like your side character. Her name is Michelle, is just there, really. Okay, okay. Not not really gonna complain. Not really complain on that. I thought an excuse that Spider, not Spider, my bad. The excuse that Peter has for not really hanging out with his uh friend Ned, and his excuse for like being out all the time is because he tells everybody that he's doing the Tony Stark internship. Okay, that's a solid lie. That's a solid lie. Yeah. It's not just like, oh, I can't. I gotta help uh so-and-so. Because it's a lie he could tell Ned, it's a lie he can tell his teacher, and it's a lie he can tell Aunt May, who is played by Marissa Tomei. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:31

Yeah, yeah, folks. Verse Aunt May in this one is real hot. And and the movie's not afraid to not afraid to tell you that either.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Neither is Tony Stark's Tony Stark, because from it from the little vlog that he's doing with Peter in the beginning, he's like recording, or Tom Holland's recorded, Peter Parker's recording, and Tony Stark is like, oh, you're doing a little vlog? Who's let's send this out? Let's say this, let's say hi to your Aunt May. Hey May, what are you wearing? Something skimpy, I hope. And he laughs.

SPEAKER_06 21:03

He ain't afraid.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

He ain't afraid. I don't blame him. Yeah. It's Marissa Tobame.

SPEAKER_06 21:10

Yeah, Marissa Tobame was how old is she?

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Oh, I think I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to ask those questions. But we're gonna check anyways.

SPEAKER_06 21:21

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

IMDB doesn't get me.

SPEAKER_06 21:25

I got I got it. Oh my god. She's sixty-one. She doesn't look a day over thirty-eight. I know. Oh okay, Adam kid. She's still pretty. She's five three. I did not know that. Oh, there's that.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Well yeah. So we get Aunt May. Awesome. Okay. We also then get because he's telling everybody that he's doing this internship, we get him doing his really it's like their community building their community really with Spider-Man swinging around and he lives in a neighborhood where there's like no tall buildings. So we never see him like swinging like crazy, really. Um and because this is this is very much a like you know friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, this is ground level type of stuff. There's not a whole lot of um, like I said, uh swinging through buildings and alleyways and all that stuff, which is one thing I absolutely praise about the other two Spider-Man movies, other two uh Spider-Man franchises, especially in the Amazing Spider-Man franchise, because I think you know the swinging in that one is the best. So we don't get any of that really in this movie. Again, not a fault. I'm just saying it's nice, it's weird seeing uh two other Spider-Man franchises go from like we're in New York to we're in a place where there's like no skyscrapers whatsoever.

SPEAKER_06 23:04

It's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

Oh, yeah. He heard Yeah, there's a few scenes where he's just like in like a suburb, like he's around like houses in like a suburban household area or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 23:15

And he can't swing around.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

No, so he has to run.

SPEAKER_06 23:19

Yeah, he's just running.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

And it's funny because he like he runs onto a golf course and he shoots his web, assuming there'd be something there, and there's not. Pretty funny. Pretty funny stuff, pretty funny stuff. Again, there's a whole lot of like building of their community in this little neighborhood that he's in from when he's just standing on buildings waiting, and there's a dude who has a hot dog stand who's just yelling at him, like, hey, you're the spider guy. And Peter says, Call me Spider-Man. He's like, Okay, I'll call you Spider-Man if you do a flip. And he does a flip. Okay, we're built. We're even showing that Spider-Man messes up, like when he thinks that guy's breaking into a car and he stops him, but it's his car. Yeah, that was funny. He's even helping old ladies, you know, with directions, and out of kindness, she buys him a churro. And hey, lucky him, churros are bomb.

SPEAKER_06 24:14

Churros are I'll never you'll never see me say no to a good churro. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Oh god, dude. Churos are so bombed.

SPEAKER_04 24:22

Yeah, I I really love this. I love the moment that we really do get to see him being the friendly neighborhood spot of it. You know, just him being around the neighborhood, interacting with the community.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

That was cool. And he's always reporting to Tony and and Happy, because he's he just went from like, hey, I do this on the low and low, and then he got you know taken to Germany to fight the Avengers. Then he has to go from that high that he was feeling in the little vlog thing he was doing, to now he's back on the ground. So of course he's fucking angsty about it all. He's like, I kind of want to get back on the missions and all this stuff. So it's nice to see him really want to help because he one, you know, he's a friendly name has Spider-Man, and he's kind of doing it to impress Happy and Tony. And on top of that, one thing this movie does is quickly just let Ned find out that Peter is Spider-Man. Again, early on in the movie. This is right after he does, we get this little montage of him helping out the neighborhood. Right away, finds out, and I think Ned reacts the way any of us would react. Unfortunately, that came at the price of destroying his or their Lego Death Star.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

That looked very complicated and hard to do. I was like, I winced at that. I was like, because I did I think I I think I did one Lego set once, but I was like it was and it was such a pain to get it done to do it right.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah, they really are.

SPEAKER_06 25:55

I'm like, oh gosh. Never again.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Absolute I don't think I have the patience for those. Yeah, I just don't think so. I built one and then my back was hurting. Yeah, just just no. But yeah, Ned finds out, awesome. And again, their interactions in school are really cool. Are and by cool I mean like I feel like if you found out your friend was Spider-Man, you would ask questions. Like, oh yeah, do you spray venom? Do you lay eggs? Where does the web come from? Stuff like that. These are all valid questions. Yeah. Also, we're sometime into this movie, right? Pretty enjoyable, and guess what this movie doesn't do? Something the other two movies did. This movie doesn't do those things, and that is give us the spider bite origin story or the Uncle Ben scene. They sure don't. This Uncle Ben's already gone. They gloss over it quickly after Ned finds out because he asks, How did this happen? And he said, A spider bit him. Ned asks if the spider bite hurt and all stuff, and Peter just says, The spider's dead. I've had these powers for at this point, it'd be like six or seven months, including the events of civil war. So, no bite. We just know he got he again quickly glossed over. I got bit, okay. I Aunt May doesn't know because she he knows that she wouldn't let him do it considering what happened with Uncle Ben. And then they move on to school like that. Because we already know what happens with Uncle Ben, okay? Everybody returns in comic books except for Uncle Ben, okay? We've seen it twice. We were once told, hey, we're gonna give you guys an untold story of Spider-Man. That's what Amazing Spider-Man was labeled as. It was not an untold story. We knew what happened, it was the same thing over and over again. I'm not complaining. This is this glossed over the origin story. Awesome! We didn't need it. Did you like the fact that they didn't have they didn't do the spider bite origin story again?

SPEAKER_05 28:12

Yeah, I was fine with it. Um I wish we got a little bit more of Uncle Ben, like see how much well, I guess I guess in hindsight, we know that Peter didn't really get much from him, I guess. It was more from Aunt May. Yeah. But I uh I don't know. I wish we got a little bit more about Uncle Ben and how he influenced Peter.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Again, I think I I think if this was just this movie, then I could probably agree with you if this was like the newest one we've gotten. But again, in hindsight, considering how we'll eventually talk about it, No Way Home Ends. Um, we know that Uncle Ben was okay, a part of their lives, but I know normally we get the whole like Uncle Ben was a huge part to him.

SPEAKER_07 29:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

This version of Spider-Man, again, this is with hindsight, considering we've seen three movies with Tom Holland. Um, we know that Uncle Ben kinda isn't really important. It's it's all Aunt May. So instead of giving us the whole like Spider Uncle Ben was everything to him, it's Aunt May.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Which will eventually lead into you know a bunch of other stuff, whatever. But I can see I can I I'm not I don't disagree with you. Um even though this is oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 29:34

I what okay? So what I like about this movie, the this movie, it's different, it's it is very different from the original Spider-Man story that we all know and familiar with. Where things are kind of jumbled around, but not misplaced. It doesn't feel like it still makes sense because here's the thing basically, Peter doesn't know learn on certain like there's certain things that spirit like Peter doesn't know yet as Spider-Man yet already being Spider-Man. You know what I mean? Yeah, it still doesn't Peter's still a good kid, so he doesn't it makes sense that he still wants to be a hero even if he didn't have like the whole tragic uh Uncle Ben passing while he has the powers thing and feeling responsible for his death and all that. Like it's like he still it makes sense that this is this kid still wants to be a hero. Well he so basically the lessons that that are established in the first movie are like spread around of the over this trilogy, essentially, you know? Yes, like everything that's like so this Spider-Man takes a bit of a to like set up, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yes, this Spider-Man this Spider-Man movie specifically this first Spider-Man is a lot slower paced than the other two first Spider-Man movies were because again it's early on powers, origin story, powers, and then he's Spider-Man, not small scale stuff, he's fighting the Goblin, uh Andrew's fighting the lizard, and saving the whole city from being turned into lizards and all that stuff. Like this is top, like a top-tier stuff, and we're again because this is such a grounded version of Spider-Man in this movie, the pacing's a lot slower. Especially when you have to work around the fact that he's in school, like legitimately in school. Like you can't just be like, oh, he left school early to go do this. No, he has class, he has a quiz. He has to deal with the bully not just once, and then the movie just forgets about him. No, it's a it's a constant thing. He's always being picked on by him. And by picked on I mean being insulted by him. Um and then we get his we we're also introduced to uh Peter's Crush, who um her name is Liz, played by oh, she's not on the IMDB. Oh, I lied, Laura Harrier Ariere, Liz. That's her name. Liz, and she invites him to a party, and this is when I'm like, okay, okay, so he she invites him to a party, and him and Ned have this plan to be like, okay, you know what? We can just use Spidey to swing by and say, like, hey, basically boost our cred, you know? Um, boost our reputation. Whatever.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

I really liked how they established like Peter Parker. He in this one, he's not Peter Park Peter, uh, this always bugged me. Uh in this movie, it makes sense that Peter's not the unpopular kid. He's actually kind of like he's actually very liked in his school and pretty popular. I mean, Liz, like his person's already kind of into him. Wait, because it makes sense. Think about it. He's probably the best looking dude in that entire school. In their or at least their grade or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Well, Liz is a Liz is a senior. Is she? Oh, shit. Liz is a senior and she and Peter's a sophomore. And I think it's more so like they're in the what is the what's the what's the what's the class? What's the club they're in together?

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Oh, the the uh uh science club or something?

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Isn't it a debate team? It's not debate.

SPEAKER_05 33:13

No, it's no, it's like some sort of like science club because they're answering like science questions and whatnot. Or something. It's science club or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Scholastic decathlon.

SPEAKER_05 33:23

Oh yeah, so something like yeah, it's they answer a bunch of science questions. That's basically what they do.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, and I just think it's I just think it's their interactions within that club that kind of gets her that piques her interest in him.

SPEAKER_05 33:37

Yeah, yeah. She's like into him. Like it's here's the thing. I like and I I like that. I like that they're making like look here's the thing. Peter should be, he Peter in in all regards, especially in now in this circumstance, where he's in like a technical school full of nerds, he should not be the most unpopular kid in school.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

I know, but even then, he he it's not like he's popular. He's just people just know of people know of Peter being okay, Peter's a smart kid, and that's pretty much it, really.

SPEAKER_05 34:09

He's just sort of like the guy who's there, who's like the flake, the guy who's kind of a flight sometimes. And uh he's like the smart and like he's like one of the smarter kids. Whereas if you think about it, he kind of has a shot with a lot of girls and shit? Like, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

I don't think so, because again, they never see we never see him interact with any other girl besides Michelle. Liz Liz.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

Because that's the Yeah, okay. Michelle they're building up for, but like Liz, like she's they're not even really building that in this movie. I really like that they well, the my point is that I really like that they just like he's not a loser in this movie. Because it wouldn't make sense for him to be a loser. Like he's not bottom of the barrel, like the guy everyone picks on, like like Toby McGuire's Spider-Man was.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Oh, yeah, that's true. That was that was of the times, though.

SPEAKER_05 34:58

Like, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess it is. That was just of the times. Because like it really wouldn't make sense that, oh, the smart, handsome guy is the loser, is the bottom of the barrel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, movie.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

Also, it's not a scholastic decathlon, it's actually an academic decathlon.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

Tomato tomato, man. Come on. Don't don't pick cars. It's nerd club. It's nerd club.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

There's uh apparently there's three versions of it. There's the varsity team, which is which is you have a uh it's all based on GPAs. Varsity 3.199 and below. There's the scholastic ones that are 3.2 to 3.7 GPA, and then your honor club, which is 3.8 to 4.0. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

Wait, so did you actually look is this a real thing? I've got a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

No, it's a real thing. I mean, I've seen I've seen these academic decathlon things across a bunch of movies and shows. They do it in Drake and Josh, they do it in high school musical, where you know, you get your smart students and they compete against each other. These are this is a real thing.

SPEAKER_05 36:07

Okay, so it's it's like the nerd Olympics. Essentially, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Essentially, yeah. But like, like, and I the competition covers 10 distinct events, which are generally centered around an annual theme. It can be from art, economics, literature, mathematics, music, science, social science, essay, and interview. In this case, it was science because they're only ever answering science questions. Which again, okay, we just from that alone we know Peter is a genius.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Um, but he gets invited to this party by Liz. Again, Liz is a senior, whatever. Peter goes, he's like, Okay, I'm gonna show up as as Spidey, swing by, high-five you Ned, ask where Peter's at, give you guys a shout out, and then boom, you guys are popular. And while he's about to do this, he's already hesitant in doing this because he's like, Am I really about to use my own powers to like kind of boost my own reputation or whatever? While he's doing this, he sees an explosion off in the distance, and he has to have he now has to decide. Does he go through with his plan to attempt to make him and Ned popular, or does he do what the Spidey would do, and that is go see what's wrong, go see what happened. And that's our first instance of like okay, Spider-Man now has a choice. Does he go help, or does he just do this thing for himself? And obviously, he goes to go help. Okay, cool. Okay, cool. We know he's choosing um he chooses uh he has the heroic choice in of going to check out what's wrong, which leads to a fun chase. We get Spider-Man chasing a car with no skyscrapers or tall buildings in your typical suburban area. Um pretty fun little chasing. And this is where I have to ask you, Adam. Do you think that Peter's suit is too techy?

SPEAKER_05 38:02

No.

SPEAKER_06 38:02

Well no, because like this is because we know where it came from. It came from fairly start, and of course it's gonna be techy.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

But do you think so you don't have a problem? I okay, I want to preface I don't have a problem with the suit. Do you have a problem with because there are complaints that in the first two Spider-Man editions uh versions of Spider-Man that we got, it was just Peter himself figuring it out with no tools really, no spy stuff, no drones, no different ways you can shoot the web or all that stuff. You're just kind of figuring it out, and no AI voiceover thing who's played by Paul Benny's wife, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Uh yeah, but isn't she famous too?

SPEAKER_06 38:45

Yeah, uh voice Karen. Karen, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Yeah, so you don't have a problem with um Peter's suit being too techy, because that is a common complaint.

SPEAKER_05 38:58

Well, a lot like they well, they established where it came from and why, so I didn't I don't have a problem with it. Spider-Man in the comics has had like super like had like tech very technological suits before. I think he had a nano vibranium suit, etc. etc. It's just as long as it's explained how he got it and why he has it, I'm alright with it.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

That's fair. We also talking about scenes that we didn't get in this version of the movie of Spider-Man, is we didn't get a scene where Peter embarrasses Flash. Yeah. And honestly, I am okay without it because this is telling a different story. This isn't like Peter like this isn't Peter fresh with his powers figuring things out. This is a Peter who's had his powers for about like seven months. Yeah. So he's well into it. On top of that, this version of Peter doesn't seem like he would one, he wouldn't try to embarrass Flash because this isn't the type of Flash that you know like throws punches and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 40:05

Yeah, he's not he's kinda like as the show comes on, Splash becomes more and more sympathetic.

SPEAKER_05 40:20

You know?

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Yeah, and well like we kinda get a little taste of why he's like that in the next movie. And by the next movie, I mean the next Spider-Man movie. But yeah, so we get we get all that. We then get the the fairy scene where you know they're on a boat, Peter's tracking this sail thing going down. Obviously, it all goes awry. We get our first look at Scorpion, or I mean, not fully Scorpion yet, but like the guy who Matt Gargan. Yeah, Matt Gargan, who will eventually in Spider-Man brand new day, nine years later, will be playing Scorpion in the movie.

SPEAKER_05 41:02

God, that took ten years to pay off.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Well, Spider-Man's been busy. Spider-Man's been busy. We don't got time for it.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

I will say, I will say this, to be quite honest with you. So this is more of a point towards the next two movies than this one, but like this movie, like the next two movies really don't feel connected to this movie, the starting movie at all. Because they're more focused on like the Avengers NCU stuff.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Well, we're in the midst, we're in the midst of it. That's because this came out in 2017, and this came out in 2017. The following year, and let's be honest, it's two movies later, where we're with we're with um we're in Infinity War. Actually, actually, this is 2017.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

The next movie is after Endgame.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Is Infinity War. Infinity War comes out in 20. That came out in 2018 or 20. Oh, we're Googling it. I'm almost positive. Oh, what's we'll check in right now? I'm checking right now.

SPEAKER_05 42:06

God, that was such a dude, that was such a crazy cinematic experience.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

It really so yeah, it was it was this movie, two more, and then Infinity War. This came out, yeah. So it's not like and then on top of that, Infinity War happens two movies later, and then we get endgame, and then we get the next Spider-Man movie. So there's no fluff in there for again. This is fall, this is for future movies, but there's no fluff in there for us to really build anything that this movie kind of like teases for us. Yeah, yeah, I think the following movie has to deal with endgame.

SPEAKER_05 42:47

Yeah, you have to, yeah, because like you have to address that. There's no way you can't just have Peter Parker just go about his days, normal, like normal Spider-Man days, and he he just lost Tony, and then he just lost, and then like, but and in this one, his like identity gets exposed, so like he's dealing with that, yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

Yeah, again, those are all feature movies to talk about. Yeah, but we get the fairy scene, pretty cool, seeing Spider-Man be the reason. Again, we or not that long ago in the movie, we get the whole Spidey has to choose between uh the party or being a hero. And in this scene, he has a choice to either wait for the police or act, and he chooses to act. And what is it? What happens? The boat, the whole fairy splits in two, it splits in two in a crazy scene where he's webbing things together, and we get the cool again. This was in the trailer, so that was kind of a bummer. Whatever. Also, complaint this trailer, the trailers for this movie showed way too much. Way too much. You know what? I I'm pretty sure the trailers, all three of them, end up spoiling the whole movie. Because you know beat for beat what happens because of the trailers. We even know the we're gonna get into the scene that happens right now. We'll get into it right now in a second. But he seemingly saved the fairy from sinking. Oh, he forgot one of the posts. The fairy's splitting in two. He's holding it together. And someone comes to rescue. Who is it? Iron Man. Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 44:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Puts the fairy back together after it's split in two.

SPEAKER_05 44:19

Okay. This is where I gotta ask you about the comic complaint about this. How do you feel about people calling this really Iron Man 4? A secret Iron Man movie.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

I think that is absolutely stupid. Again, I know Iron Man is in this movie. I know Tony Stark is in this movie. Um, he's probably in it more than I thought he would. But this isn't his movie. This is literally him having to the only time he's in the movie is the beginning, obviously. Um, with the vlog, and then he gets we see him again in the middle. Why? Because um Peter's calling him, whatever. And then we get this scene, which again, it isn't any none of this is about Tony. This is all about Peter Parker. Because we and he has to be here saving Peter's ass. Because in the following scene, after after Tony has saved everybody, and luckily nobody died, um, we get the scene where Peter's telling him none of this would happen if you just listened to me. That if it if you actually cared, you'd be here. Again, this was in the trailer, and that was cool for the trailer. It sucks because we knew it was happening, so the the weight of it kind of was like didn't hit as hard because we knew it was coming. Tony pops out of the suit and asks for the suit back. Peter says, Please don't take it away. I'm nothing without the suit. And we get the killer line that was in the trailer of if you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it at all. There's the movie. Again, it sucks that it was in the trailer. Whatever. But that's the only reason Tony's here. This movie has nothing to do with him. He's he is here strictly as to as Peter's mentor. Yeah. To teach him that one valuable lesson. And that lesson does get paid off. He actually learned from it at in the end of the movie. So is this Iron Man 4? I think people that say that are fucking stupid. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. I agree. I and it it's so crazy that I think this movie is where I really start like we all know tribalism is a thing, right? I see you see I see it in you see it for um I see it mainly in wrestling. Apparently, nobody can like everything, you have to pick a side. People took any chance they got to shit on this movie because it wasn't Andrew's. They took any chance to shit on this movie because it wasn't Toby's. They're constantly finding any reason to fault this movie so that way they can just praise the movie that they like more. When this is telling a completely different story, yes, this version of Spider-Man isn't isn't kicking ass, isn't throwing punches like the other two did, isn't swinging around like the other two did. This isn't a Spider-Man movie. I'd argue this entire trilogy isn't a Spider-Man trilogy. It's Peter Parker. It's a Peter, it's it's Peter learning to be Spider-Man. This is all about Peter Parker and the choices he has to make. The the the sucky part about being a hero and choosing that life. So no, I 100% disagree with those, with the this is Iron Man movie.

SPEAKER_06 47:34

Yeah, okay, that makes sense. I agree. Because I yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

He it's he's like he's he's in it to serve a purpose. He is the mentor, and he's supposed to be the mentor, and I I agree that it's not his story, it's not him growing at all, it's him being a mentor of anything. So I think yeah, it's I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

I think one I think going into the movie, people also thought it was gonna be like I thought this was just gonna be a Spider-Man movie, not a Spider-Man and Iron Man movie, because in the trailer, one of the last shots we see is Spider-Man swinging with Iron Man as if they're teaming up to go do something. That shot is never in the movie. It's actually it's never in a movie. So again, that was just for the trailer, as Sony tends to do with putting stuff in trailers. Not even Sony, what the MCU does, they'll put stuff in trailers that sometimes never makes it to the screen, and then it's just for us, it's just for the trailer. Happens in Infinity War, too. Um yeah, and after getting his suit taken away, um, we get we then get some Tom Holland acting chops when he has to tell Aunt May what happened without really telling her what happened and just telling her that he lost the Stark internship program thing. Boom. Tom Holland's acting chops on there. My dude can act, Adam. He can act. Yeah. Um and you know, one thing we talked about in the again, we're okay, whatever. We're comparing we're we're comparing this new Spider-Man to the old Spider-Man movies, whatever. But one thing we talked about when it came to Toby and his love interest in his movie, that of Kirsten Dunst, Mary Jane, we talked about how cringy it was. Yeah. Extremely cringy. And in this movie, we get Peter going to go talk to Liz, runs into her after he got kicked off the the cathlon team, has detention and all that stuff. And he's talking to her about to ask her out to the homecoming dance, because it's called Spider-Man Homecoming. It was pretty it's a pretty on-the-nos title, like homecoming. You know, he's coming back to the MCU, is what's what I'm getting at. Yeah. Um yeah. Asks her out to the dance, and it's never cringy. It's it's that like teenage ain't like that teenage like nervousness, awkwardness.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Yeah, that's like that bit of an awkwardness to him.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

That like even like like you said earlier, she's clearly into him. And so she's when he's attempting to ask her to the dance, she's looking at him, like you know, like straight dead looking at him, like waiting for the question. Because we know she's gonna say yes, she just wants him to ask, but Peter can't look at her, he's like nervously looking around. Like you can see him trying to build the courage to to do it once their conversation is seemingly going his way. It's very cute, it really is. It put me oh, put me back in those scenes where you'd want to have that courage to do it. Balls on him for doing it, and he's a senior, dude. He asked out a senior, and she said yes. Aunt May getting him ready for the dance is is again, it's an adorable scene. I absolutely love it. There's something about go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 51:14

Yeah, it's really cool. Like he's like we said before, it's just really cool to see him be a be a person besides Spider-Man, you know, see the Peter Parker side of things.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Yes. Um, and then as he's gonna go pick up Liz, plot twist! Plot twist, Adam!

SPEAKER_05 51:33

Vulture is Liz's dad. I know this now take notes. Um I hope Disney learned from this because that's how you do a surprise villain. Whoa! Now that's a way holy shit. At that moment where you're just like like you just feel your like your lungs, you just feel your like you saw yourself tighten up, you're like, my jaw dropped.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

I I actu I gasped so loud, dude. It was insane. Because at this point, we've seen Spidey, we've seen Vulture, and then we've seen them interact together, but you know, never face to face. We don't they'll it's it's just there. And then by the time Peter gets his thing taken away, the suit taken away, he's having this conversation with Aunt May, he asks Ligus out, he gets ready for the dance and all that stuff. I I'm not even kidding, I completely forgot that this vulture was a thing. I completely forgot. And then as second he opens that door and it's her dad, that's Vulture, I was just like, yo.

SPEAKER_06 52:36

Oh sh. It's insane.

SPEAKER_05 52:43

The cool, yeah, the cre so dude, that this is well one of the cool like theatrical moments where um you just like I was saying, because like I was sitting in the theaters and like you hear like the oh like I could hear everyone in the crowd just like gasp at the same time. That's it's one of those cool theater moments where you're just like it was such a good oh man, those are so fun. Oh god, everyone was just shocked.

unknown 53:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 53:15

I remember the guy who behind me went, oh shit. I heard the guy literally go go like oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

Genuinely, genuinely, what a twist. I did not see that I like I said, I completely forgot, dude. I completely forgot about Vulture. Did not see this coming. And now I'm just like, yo, and and what are we doing now? Because I don't because what? What? Anywho, the dad is driving and it's okay, okay. I can't even my head's because I just watched the movie too, so it's like in my head how crazy good it is. This whole time, as she's now getting ready, because Liz still has to finish getting ready, Peter's talking to to to Adrian Toomb's vulture, and Peter knows because you know he's seen him without the mask and all that stuff, whatever. The second he finds out, you can just see him tense up, you can see him not know how to react, you can see him as he's as they're taking the pictures for homecoming, he's not smiling, he's just like his eyes are locked on on her dad. Yeah, Peter's distraught, Peter. Oh, it's crazy, dude. And then you know, the dad, Vulture, Adrian, Mr. Tombs, and we never get Liz's last name, too. By the way, so there was never any indication. Yeah, we do. Um, and then on top of that, Liz Liz is Liz is black, and Adrian Tombs is white, yeah. So you don't put two and two together, obviously. Not obviously, but yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure that was a choice to to have this be such a jaw-dropping moment. Yeah, he's driving them to the dance, and Liz is acting all cool, you know. A uh Vulture as a father would is just asking Peter questions, and she's at and Liz is acting like like nothing's like nothing's up, right? She's just like, Dad's not asking him so many questions. It's perfectly normal. This is what it would happen, okay? And again, as Peter's answering questions, as Vulture's asking questions, you can kind of see the the dots connect in in Adrian Toombs' head. And oh we oh gosh, my favorite scene in the whole movie is when they're at the red light and it's all clicked in Vulture's head, and the light is shining red on his face as it's a and the second it fli turns to green is when he figures out that Peter is Spider-Man, that Peter is the dude who's been messing with his plans. They get to the school, yeah, Liz leaves because Vulture's like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna give Peter the old, you know, fatherly talk. And they have this killer, it's very quick too, a very killer scene where Vulture's confronting him. He's like, okay. And he like casually pulls out a gun. He's like, Okay, does she know? Peter being the hero that he is, knowing that you know this is the villain, like knows what. And out of respect, for one the answer and keeping his daughter out of the business, but like also like, hey, you did save my daughter, so I'm gonna give you some like I I I'm gonna let you live because you saved my daughter. But if you interfere, and as he's saying all this, you can see the smile, the smirk on Peter's face kind of dwindle away because now he knows that this isn't just some friendly neighborhood stuff. Like, this is real. He has a gun now, and he threatens uh Tomb threatens him with I'll kill you and everybody you love. He's now being his now his his family and friends are now being threatened. So Peter in this moment was dead serious and now is scared because this is real. Yeah, Wulcher does not mess around. It's such a good scene, dude. What did you think about the whole from the plot twist to them getting to the homecoming dance? Oh dude, the tension, dude.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

That like everyone's like collective, like tense moment, like it was such a tense moment, you know?

SPEAKER_01 57:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:48

Like it it it it really held in. It established both characters really well too, which I really liked. Like Adrian Tombs doesn't want he's not like evil, evil, he doesn't want to do bad things, he's just doing what it's necessary to provide for his family. Yes, right? He makes that very and then they make that very clear that he only but he so like which is you know he like he like we said, he gave Peter like hey, look man, you say my daughter, I'm gonna give you a pass on this, but just don't do it again, or otherwise I will like kill you and stuff. Like I'm not afraid to kill you, but don't make me have to do something, kid.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:31

And uh the tension, the like you said, the shots, the shots they do in this is fucking insane.

SPEAKER_05 58:41

It's uh like you just feel it, you just feel you feel as uncomfortable as Peter feels in this, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

Yeah, and then again, credit to Michael Keaton, because he just he just brings this intensity and it's very subtle, and it's just it just it's just in the way he speaks. Because from when he opens the door, he's just like, hey, you must be Peter. And then as soon as he's slowly figuring out, connecting the dots, that Peter is Spider-Man, his voice, like his um, the way he talks, isn't his cadence is slower now. Yeah. That you know, that upbeatness to his voice is gone.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

Yeah, yeah, there's like there's like there is like this subtle change into his inflictions and how he says how he says things now. It's like because like here's like you really because like he like I said, this is great performance from Mike Keaton. Like he goes from like, you know, like kind of like upbeat fun dad, but like, but as he's piecing together, and once he comes to that realization, uh oh, fun dad is gone, here comes Vulture, and you're just scared out of your mind, like, oh no. So intimidating. So here's the it's very mob bossy, you know what I mean? Like, it's just that where like they can switch on a dime like in a moment when like you know, like when you mess up the business, like I, you know, I'll be all A, I'm your friend, but like if it's real, I will kill you.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:08

Yeah, and not and again, not because he wants to, because he'll do what he has to do for his business and his family. And he makes that very clear earlier in the movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:21

Oh that's the cool that's uh another cool thing is that we see him like what he's willing to do to protect his business and family throughout the movie. Because the cool thing is, like, besides my like because they don't really interact Peter and uh and Tombs don't really interact that much in the movie, they just have a that one confrontation scene where he picks uh where he drops him and like he gives them like warnings to like he gives him some warnings, yeah. And then like and then they're just the so you see like the build up to it, and then you realize that now it's all directed at Peter.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

Yeah, like uh-oh. Again, this is less so a Spider-Man movie and just more so a Peter Parker movie because again, yeah, he now has to deal with this problem without his suit, so he's back to his pajama suit or whatever. Also, yeah, again, I say again, I say this is mainly a Peter Parker movie because this is a bunch of choices that Peter has to make. We've gone from him choosing to be a hero instead of going to the party. He chose to like really attack the villains on the ferry, and look where that got the fairy and everything. He got the suit taken away, got in trouble. And now he has to make another choice because he gets out the car after Toomes tells him to go back in there and you know have a good time with his daughter. And he's and again, Peter's like in shock. He's walking through the school, gets the dance. Liz is just like, oh goodness, my dad scared you. What did he say? And Peter has to make a choice. Does he ignore what Adrian Schumes is planning, or does he go be a hero? And again, he makes the choice to go be a hero. That even though my everyone I love could potentially be in danger, even though I could die, even though Happy and Tony are telling me to stick to the ground and just be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, again, in his heart of hearts, he has to do what's right. So, of course, he goes, he chooses to be the hero, chooses to go after Adrian Toomes, and again, because this isn't a one-note boring, lame villain, Toomes knew he was gonna make that choice. So he's waiting for him in his whatever his lair, I guess you would call it, and uh uh event essentially lets the building fall on Peter, and Peter's trapped under a massive piece of rubble, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:03

Oh yeah, and this is a reference to like a scene of the com a very famous scene in the comp book.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Yeah, I've seen the I've seen the comic, yeah. Yeah, and Peter's stuck under this rubble, and again, it's like even though Peter chose to be the hero, we he himself then gets reminded that he's just a kid. We're reminded that he's just a kid because as he's trapped, he's screaming, crying for help. Because he can't he can't get up. It's like again, I'm pretty sure everybody's had this moment where they think they know what to do, when they think that what they're doing is right, where they think they got it all under control, and then shit hits the fan. And all you need is help. All right, and again, this is a 16-year-old Peter panicking. This has never happened to him. So again, we're reminded that sh yeah, this is Spider-Man. Peter's just a kid. And again, props to Tom Holland, because he again, he turns it on. He he can do it, he in the m he can act. He really can. He really pulls out that emotion in the in the again. Let's remind you that this is just a child. Really does it, and then he's like, Okay, this is what Tony was talking about. That I don't need the suit. So he looks at himself and he's just like, Okay, come on, Spider-Man. Like, I don't need the suit, I'm Spider-Man. Picks up the rubble and throws it off, and he's good to go. And then, oh dude. That scene alone, again, just that. I'm like, wow. Just just we kind of got that in the in the Toby Maguire movie when when when William Defoges Goblin was just like, oh, I'm gonna have a hell of a time with MJ, and Peter starts hulking up and he starts kicking goblins' ass and all that stuff, right? Yeah, this wasn't done with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

So I really I like that scene too because like it's supposed to showcase like Peter holds back. He's a lot stronger than he actually than he at than he lets on. Not because he's like hiding it, it's because he he doesn't want to hurt people like for real. Like he could kill somebody if he doesn't hold back. Yeah, and he says that in Civil War Yeah, like which I like again, I really like in I'm glad we get to see that that Peter 2, this side of Peter too that he's stronger than he lets on, though I like that he it's because he just needs to find it in himself more, less of him holding back.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

And it's almost as if the beginning the first half of the movie is like him reliant on this suit with all this high tech stuff. tracking stuff and all that stuff and now we're just down to like no it's you Peter that come on Spider Man scene I just absolutely adore absolutely adore you know what's funny there there's a great scene that there's a I want to talk about this real quick but just there's a great scene in the comic books where uh doc ock takes over Peter's body right yeah uh uses some you know mind control though so then he's like so he's going around pretending to be Spider-Man and he go Doc Ock in Peter body runs into shocker and then they fight and then like she put uh Ock punches like uh punches uh shocker as hard as he could right and he almost kills shocker with that one punch and like uh doc was just scared was like son of a bitch he was holding back the whole time he could have beaten us in any moment he was holding you know yeah and we kind of get a glimpse of that eventually in no way home when Andrew Garfield Spider-Man is talking about like hey I just stopped holding back my punches I got vengeful I got bitter can't wait to talk about that in the future of course in the future we gotta wait yeah folks you all have to wait for it you all have to wait um but yeah we then we then get from after peter pick gets out of the role he chases down toomes who is going to steal stuff from an Avengers plane with a bunch of goodies in there and even though Adrian Toomb thinks he's gotten away who's there but Spider-Man to stop him and again this is like like 95% of this movie is like Peter being uh ground grounded very much and then now he's like steering a plane trying to get it down without having it crash in the city again this was in the trailer okay I'm not really I don't really care about that it was the Tony one that really bugged me the most whatever and then we eventually get Spidey versus Vulture fighting and Vulture beats his ass dude beats his ass and I think essentially like Vulture wins he's gonna get away the only thing that stopped him from really getting away was his suit failing him yeah and Spidey being Spidey saved Vulture Yeah um we haven't even talked about it yet but what did you think of Vulture's like suit I I like it so I love that I love like the hidden detail that so in the so as like in the original comic books Adrian Adrian Toons is an engineer right that's how he made the suit that's how he you know like built that's how he came up with it right but in this version you know he's clear you know he's obviously not so they figured out so you know how they so like they hint at if you pay attention you can find out that Adrian Tombs is actually is based off a prototype of not a falcon suit oh yeah so yeah so that's how he got the suit that he literally ripped off a prototype of falcon suit and he had the teen to her like kind of just you know mess with the design a bit so that's how Adrian Chubes got his suit and I'm like oh that is and honestly I love the design it but like the cool like he's wearing like the aviator jacket with like like the plumes to you know like he has like the feathery plume around like the neck yeah that's really cool I like the how they incorporate the vulture thing still and those green eyes you add intimidation oh I thought that was sick really really cool I also like how like there there's not hands really but like the claws that are at the end of these things yeah they're not even really his he has to control that yeah he has like pomp controls where he's like he just like it's like it's mirroring his actions and he does it really cool it it's kind of cool how it actually is kind of bird like like yeah how he has like the the feet like how he has like the like the talon feet how he comes up and like grabs you with the feet the talons and then drops you down. Even the way like he'd smash him he like he'd grab Peter with the talon mechanical feet things fly up like a bird and then immediately go down to smash him it's really all overall I really like the suit. Yeah it was cool they did some cool action with this I I wish Marvel would do this more since we have so many flying characters it just has some cool like dog fights like I want I mean I said that with the Captain America uh with the new cat with what Falcon man I want some like cool sick ass dog fights man I love those I think now that I mean again this is like in regards to a brand new day but like now that we're getting a uh Spider-Man slash Peter Parker in New York we can really have because I feel like you couldn't really do it in here because you know this is out in like the suburbs area there's not really a whole lot of place for Peter to swing on and get ahead of them and all that stuff. I feel like we will I feel like we can potentially get more of that in this next trilogy of Spider-Man movies that we'll be getting across the next few years.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:10

I'm excited I'm so excited for that I can't believe how it's it looks so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:15

Oh and by the way guys you can expect us to do a review on that when that movie comes out by the way oh yeah you better believe it we'll be on that movie like like be like flies on honey man. Yes like me on Taco Bell God I I haven't had Taco Bell in so for long I would kill for some crunchy tacos I just want some crunchy tacos dude that's all I want on our eventual post of this on Instagram guys make sure to leave an leave a comment on what's your favorite uh Taco Bell thing to get anywho um yeah Vulture beats his ass Peter ends up saving him that's essentially the end of the movie um actually I take it back it's not because I forgot that after doing all this um Tony is like okay we're gonna we're gonna make you an Avenger we're gonna let your identity be known and we're gonna introduce you as the newest member of the Avengers and again a lot about Peter's choices which is he chooses to just remain a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man instead of being an Avenger I think he himself Peter knows he's not ready for those over the top Avengers missions even though he immediately chooses to go to space whatever whatever but again this is a Peter Parker movie is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:45

Also also Zendaya is now we've known her as Michelle nope she's MJ she's like my friends called Michelle Jones yes so the cool thing is that we see her set last name's still the same it's Michelle Jones Watson.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:00

Hold on yes hold on my dog sorry about that it's all good we don't mind a dog we all love dogs over here yes Adam is dealing with that it's all okay again like I said we all love dogs over there can't complain you know what we should really get a picture of the dog and post on the Instagram the official Reven and Go dog let me look into but yeah we got Sandaya being Michelle Jones MJ I'm not gonna lie when she said my friends call me MJ I rolled my eyes I was like okay that's random but okay we also got that Liz you know Peter's love interest in this movie um is actually moving because her mom doesn't want her to be in town while her dad is going on trial for all of the stuff that he did what happened yeah and I was explaining how um uh L Liz is being taken to I forget what state because her mom doesn't want her to be in town while her dad is on trial. Yeah and that when MJ was or when Michelle was like my friends call me MJ I rolled my eyes because I was like oh gosh I I just didn't like how she's like oh my friends call me MJ um she'd just been MJ from the get go. It's like it was done as a surprise thing Yeah I mean but hey I don't care now because uh Zende and Tom Holland are happily married Yeah good for them good for them yes and I believe our post credit scene was Adrian Toomes in prison and he runs into what's his name he runs into Scorpion and they're like hey we're on the street as you know who the Spider-Man is and Adrian Toomes goes if I knew he'd be dead and that's that and it again it shows a side the vulture Adrian Tomes that he's got I don't know what to call it respect for Peter for saving his daughter or again he just he inherently doesn't want to kill people but you know so he's willing to keep uh Peter's identity a secret yeah I thought that was cool yeah but that was Spider-Man Homecoming what a movie what a movie overall Adam what did you think uh dude this was a such a this is a fun movie and a lot of great moments it's a very different Spider-Man movie from from what we've gotten before but I think that's warranted considering we've done this twice already yes you know yeah yeah and I think I don't know in all in all I think this is a solid movie absolutely longest running Spider-Man we've gotten on a scale from one to ten Adam what would you give Spider-Man Homecoming I'll give it an 8.5 I would honestly give this movie oh what do I give it I'm giving this movie a nine out of ten I think it's a damn good Spider-Man movie I the only shitty thing about it is it doesn't have a great poster but other than that it's it's such a good it's such a good spy it's a such a good Peter Parker story that's what it is um IMDB has this at uh 7.4 letterbox has it as 3.5 and I and Rotten Tomatoes has it at 92% I'm just gonna ooh it's it well for the critics it has it at 92 where it's like the general audience is at an 87 it sounds like they were we made it about the same rotten tomatoes oh yeah for sure for sure all in all damn good Spider-Man good Spider-Man and a lot more to come a lot of great more greatness to come from this yes but next week not so much greatness because next week's episode we're doing where me and Adam will be diving back into the Sony verse no wait I say back into it um tech yeah because I because technically the Spider-Man movies were the Sony whatever we're diving into the Sony verse where they decided to like you know what let's also do villain movies we're not doing one movie we're not doing two we're doing three we're doing three Sony verse movies we're doing Morbius Madam Webb and Craven the Hunter that's right that's right we're doing those we're going from greatness to the literal opposite the literal opposite of greatness so it you know what we're going from Spider-Man to Spider-Millains oh well oh well and it's gonna be so funny going from this movie to those it's gonna be so funny but yeah so that's next week's episode next week's episode the Morbin verse I'm not I I'm I'm I'm calling it sick um I don't want to do them maybe watch Morbius again which one's the next one we're doing Morbius it's Morbius Madame Webb and Craven the Hunter three movies one episode I gotta watch all three of those awful movies they're awful and and then we will rank them which of those is the worst one stay tuned guys stay tuned for me and Adam and the Sony verse Jared Leto Dakota Johnson and who plays Kraven I don't know no one important no one who has an don't talk about him like that Aaron Taylor Johnson I bet he doesn't have a career anymore you didn't see that coming God I hate these movies all right but yes be on the lookout next week for that guys as we dissect discuss and rant I we're not really gonna dislike this dissect them we're just gonna rant like crazy about them be on the lookout for that next week um once again I've been here oh no out of order make sure to check out our Instagram at RevanGopod for podcast updates and more specifically mine and Adam's quick movie reviews um every other day over there make sure you follow us over there at Revan and GoPod check out Adam's most recent review of the live action One Piece season two and my review of Project Hell Mary I'm telling you guys now go watch it go watch the movie it's it's the movie it's like this year's sinners man just go watch it it's the sinners of the decade okay it's the greatest it's the greatest oh it might be my favorite space movie my point is go check that movie out if you haven't already um but yeah check out our Instagram at Reven and GoPod follow us over there on the road to 300 followers over there so follow us over there please and thank you with all that said I've been your host Andy and this has been Adam still celebrating the the Seahawks win the Super Bowl yay I'm less excited because I have to just wheel what Adam when you're watching when you're watching the Morbius Madame Webb and Craven the Hunter just think about the Seahawks okay I'll I'll just happily give more of this shit and just happy my happy voice. Yes just do that until then though guys wheel the next one