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SPEAKER_04 0:05

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SPEAKER_03 0:21

Welcome back to the Reven and Go Reviews podcast. I'm your host, Andy. I'm joined by my co-host, Adam, and we're back after quite a bit of uh hiatus. Um sometimes you just get burnt out. Am I right, Adam? Yep. Yeah, we're back at it on our road to doomsday. Um, we've had a bit of a break. Sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Nothing wrong with taking breaks when you absolutely need them. Um yeah, with all that, Adam, how you've been? You know, we're back from a break.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Yeah, I've been doing alright. Been writing reviews here and there to keep people engaged, all that. Saw some movies, been watching a lot more movies. As get us ready as we should come back, watching more movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:07

We have been lacking in the podcast aspect of this, of our you know, channel and all that stuff. But we have been uploading a lot of movie reviews, so make sure to go check those out over on our Instagram at Reven and Go Pod. You can find our quick movie reviews over there. You can check out Adam's most recent review of Remarkably Bright Creatures. Good movie. Really good, really good cast from what I hear and what I've read from Adam's review. Go check that one out. Adam gave that one a what out of ten? I gave it a nine. Nine out of ten. Another movie we gave a nine out of ten, or by we I mean I gave a nine out of ten, was The Sheep Detectives. You can read my my review for that over on our Instagram, once again, at Riven and Good.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

A lot of good movies this month.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Yes, a lot of good movies released this month.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

A lot of surprisingly yeah, a lot of surprisingly good movies, too.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Yeah, honestly. The cheap detectives and um and remarkably bright creatures are two of them. Um, and if you're wondering if Mortal Kombat 2 is worth your time, go check out my review of it over on our Instagram at Rivet and GoPod. Regardless, if you like the first one, you're probably gonna like the second one. And even with what people say, whether they like it or dislike it, go watch the movie in theaters because there's nothing like a theater experience. Go watch movies. That's where you should be spending your money, okay? That's where you should be spending them. With that said though, Adam, we are back and we're here to talk about the phase three of the MCU, not just any phase three MCU movie. We're talking about probably one of the biggest ones people were most excited for when it was announced at that like Comic Con or D23, whichever it was, and that is Black Panther.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Ooh, yeah. From his introduction from Civil War, he was like the most interesting thing, and so one of the most interesting things introduced in Civil War. Well, besides Spider-Man, but you know, it's fucking Spider-Man, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

And not just Spider-Man, it's like Spider-Man in the MCU, right? I know, right? I think the fact that finally we get to see him interact with other heroes. I think the fact that Black Panther's kind of just like thrown in there isn't a bad thing because he like he he does add to the story, and his story in this movie stems from like what happens from that movie, so it was a good introduction. But I think people forget that he was introduced in Civil War because you'll watch it. I rewatched Civil War because if you you like Civil War, um go check out a review for it. Uh uh we did it a while ago, but go check out a review for it. We did it, and you know, I re-watched it and I forgot that Black Panther was in it until he like, you know, you see uh Chadwick Bozeman in there. Um and he's back suited up as Black Panther in this movie. Um, but yeah, um what were your I'm pretty sure you were there though you saw the tweet or the Instagram post of like, hey, here's phase three, and you saw Black Panther on there. What were your thoughts going into this movie, Black Panther, um, you know, coming off of what happened in Civil War?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Oh, so the reaction to the trailer for Black Panther or the announcement for Black Panther?

SPEAKER_03 4:37

Yeah, well, like post-Civil War, were you what were you expecting, or how are you feeling going into this movie?

SPEAKER_00 4:45

I knew they were gonna do something because you know, Black Panther's just like he's he was a he's a big he was a pretty big hero in the comics. Um especially future, especially for the future of like the MCU. So uh I was excited. He was great. He looked the suit looked sick, he was sick. Uh I mean everyone admitted he was like the like real cool in freaking civil war fighting fighting Captain America, Bucky, and all that. That was so and honestly, he had like the like him at the ending was you know huge. And the fact like you know, the civil war really sets up really sets like this movie up a lot. Yeah, like even if we more than we realize, because like it sets up like the main point, the main like the set like the main premise, like like the whole thing happens because of the crap that happened in Civil War. Yeah, it also sets up like a mystery, like we don't know much about Wakanda, we but we know there's must be more than what they're saying.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Yeah, I was very much looking forward to it because you know, coming off of Civil War, um uh like I said, we got Chadwick Bozeman playing Black Panther. Bad ass suit. Too bad they downgraded the suit in this movie. We'll talk about it. Um, I was looking forward to that. You then I think it was a bad it was a big thing, like oh, we don't just have like oh Chadwick Bozeman's returning. Um, we also have this movie being directed by Ryan Kugler, who is coming who was coming off of like other great projects. I think he had done Creed before this. I'm Googling right now just to be sure, but he was coming off that, so like you we already got uh a director who made a banger of a movie. Yeah, with a character that's also known. He did that movie with Michael B. Jordan, he did Creed with Michael B. Jordan, and now he's coming back to do this movie and Michael B. Jordan's in it, and then you'll like I said, you also have Michael B. Jordan in this movie. The cast alone is like really, really good. Yeah, oh yeah. This movie is nothing short of like really good performances from top to bottom.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Oh yeah. Uh Unsung Hero is uh their mom, uh, played by by famous actress none other than Angela Bassett. Uh I love she she she's like she her performance is really undersung in that move in that movie, man.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

Oh yeah. Absolutely. Um, but as like I said, I was really excited for it. Uh I think the trailer alone, like oh dude, the trail the soundtrack too, because I think the soundtrack's made by Kendrick Lamar and other artists. So they were going all out for this movie. The soundtrack, killer. Um, you have an insanely good director. You're the two stars, like the two leading stars of your movie are Chadwick Bozeman and Michael B. Jordan. Like, those aren't just like those are actors, like those are like high-level actors.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Yeah, and I mean, heck, we all know like Michael B. Jordan would go on to be do even win an Oscar. I mean, for Sinners and all that.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Not only did he just win Oscar for Sinners, but the director for Sinners is Ryan Coogler.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah, this is uh like hey, this is a tough team, man. They know what that these are good filmmakers behind it, and it shows this movie really, and it shows it. Like, these are these, like these, these, like I said, the acting's great. Yeah, and the acting's great, and leave and honestly, I think this has like one of I mean, I mean, a lot of people would go on to say, like, this has this as we all as we've said before, the MCU was like always struggled with its villains, but like honestly, like everyone says, like, this may be Marvel MCU's best villain by like a lot.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Yeah. I I say, okay, we'll get into the conversation of like the villain as we get into it. Um, I say we go back and see like this, like this will be the best villain at the time since what previous Marvel movie? Once we get more into the villain. Um, but I say we get into it, Adam. Um, just right off the bat. Again, I know we're starting off right off the bat with like a good slash bad thing. Um, it's really cool. I won't like the movie, the movie intro kind of like is just like because they don't really give you the full intro, it's kind of just like left off on a note, so we can come back to it. But I want to talk about the suit because they do pick up with the same suit from Civil War, and we just said it, the suit is absolutely awesome. And I again we're starting off with a negative, but there's believe me, there's a lot, a lot more positive to come out of it, and that is they change the suit. It's my biggest gripe of the movie. You remember the suit from the previous movie. It's it's layered, it's so textured, it's so nice. And then they change it to Spandeck, basically.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Yeah. Oh, I think it was I think it's supposed to make you know what's funny.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

I don't like the purple accents. You know how it glows purple sometimes. I don't like the purple accents, like why, but I also don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

I just don't. And like I get it, like this is like Shuri, who's played by Leticia, right? Um is like, oh, new technology. We want this to be like this this nanotech or whatever technology, not even nanotech, it's something else. It'll come from the the necklace that you choose to wear, and then you know, whatever, it'll shoot from there. But it's spandex. And and not even like I know Spider-Man wears spandex, right? But it doesn't even look like that the quality of spandex, it legit looks like like dry fit shirts. Just it's a whole bodysuit. And yeah, so I don't like the suit. I don't like the new suit. Um yeah, like we were talking about, but this movie picks up right after Civil War. Um it's picking up, you know, right after his dad dies, and he is now letting people know, and we got this whole like, hey, you we have to do this. I I think this really this this part is really cool. This whole like ceremony to determine who's gonna be this next Black Panther. I mean, just because his father died and his father was the previous Black Panther doesn't mean he gets to become it right away, like he has to earn it. It's a thing you earn, and all these different like families come out, and then their warrior stands up and they'll determine hey, we're not fighting today. This other family, we're not fighting today. This other one, we're not fighting today, this other one, we're not fighting today. And then, ooh, first off, Chadwick Bozeman awesome. So far, it's been like 20 minutes into the movie, and we're killing it. Before we get any little further, R.I.P. Chadwick Bozeman. Um we now know that like during this movie, he was already do dealing with this whole like, you know, the the cancer stuff and all that stuff. So it's like rewatching this movie did make me uh emotional from that aspect because I'm just like I'm rewatching because I haven't I hadn't seen this movie in like forever. Uh I don't think I've seen this movie since before Black Panther 2 came out. So it wasn't tough watching this movie, but I I was just like it's hard to believe he's not here anymore. It really is. Yeah, it's it's a shame. But he he's absolutely great. Um we then get introduced to I had him right here, Winston Duke's character, Mbaku.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Oh, he was dope. He's so fun, like he's so fun too. Yeah. They made a cool he was cool, but they weren't afraid to make him funny.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Yeah, they do that more in the in the next movie, but this one, he's comes off of like maybe arrogance too strong of the word, but like he's very intimidating, but he's still he still pops jokes from time to time.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

So his his character introduction is really good. The fighting was really good. It's nice to know that to earn it, they take away like the you don't because we've seen we've seen Civil War, we've seen how he fights, all the movement he does, like the quick jumps, the strength, and all that stuff. Turns out that's gifted to them via this like Black Panther plant. I'm sure they named it uh I think it's the heart herb, right?

unknown 13:56

Something.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

I don't remember. I'm just gonna take your word for it. But they give him that, but like, you know, if you want to fight for the right to be the Black Panther, you don't just have to fight the Black Panther, like the person's gets the power taken away from them, and then you gotta fight them. And even though he does struggle against uh Mbaku, he beats him, and the way to win is like you either yield or you die, basically. And even though he can kill him, he can kill him, um, but he chooses not to because he wants Mbaku to yield because he knows his people need him. And Mbaku yields, so that's really good to see. Turn too bad that would eventually be uh T'Ala's downfall. Ooh, little tease at the end. Another character we're introduced to is Letitia Wright as Shuri. And as fun of a character I feel like she is sometimes, she is also gets on my nerves. Like, I feel like she dates this movie a lot. Like, there's a lot of things in this movie that dates the movie. Like when she first says hi to Chadwick Busman's character Tichala, she's like, Oh, what are those? You remember that? Oof, yeah, you remember that. Oh, that's so 2017.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Uh God.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

That reminds me of Vine. Oh, Vine. Ah, yep. Remember Vineyard.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I sure do. I sure do. That's where we got Logan Paul. Hey, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. I preferred him back then than I more than I do now.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Oh, yeah, I forgot. He's in like is he still in the WWE?

SPEAKER_03 15:47

He's the current team champion. Enough about that. Let's get back to the greatness that is Black Panther. Another character we're uh we're reintroduced to. Actually, no, let's go who we're introduced to is Chad, not Chadwick, uh Michael B. Jordan's character, Eric Kilmonger. Ooh, and he's at this museum. Oh, his fit is just so good. I love it, I love his um like the style they have him wear, the clothes they have him wear. Really good. Yeah. Um, and he is working alongside with a character we're being reintroduced to, and that is Andy Circus. As dang it. You love Andy Circus. Absolutely love. I absolutely love Andy Circus.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

So we have a villain named Killmonger and Claw.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Yes. And they must fight the superhero known as the Black Panther.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yes. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

God. Yeah, and again, it's so it's so funny because like Andy Circus plays the character so over the top that I don't question it. It's not like, oh, he's overacting. Like he it's like the character alone is over the top with how he acts around people. Like when because they're robbing this museum of their what is it? Vibranium. Yeah, I was I almost said Adamantium. I almost said Adamantium.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Vibranium, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Raw on fictional metal. Um, but they're robbing this museum of their vibranium, and he's like, you know, they they kill all the guards except for one. He's like, hey, we're gonna let you go. You just, you know, don't let nobody know we're here. So he lets him run off, kills him. And he's not just being fucked up. Like, oh, I killed him anyways. And because like even some of his I think it's uh even Michael B. Jordan's character is just like, well, why'd you do that? You had them all right here. He's like, nah, that way they're more spread apart, so they think there's like more of us, or they think we're amateur, or something like that. So there's a method to the badness, which I appreciate.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Well, yeah, because like we we we get introduced to Claude, it was at Age of Ultron, right? And uh but we know that he's like this, you know, criminal like arms dealer. You know, he's like this mastermind who got his hands on a F ton. Like he literally broke, remember, he broke, we know he broke by this point. We know he broke into Wakanda and stole their vibration. Tons of it. Tons of it to sell on the market. So he he has we know he has to like he has to be like this criminal, like gene, he has to be like a criminal mastermind to some degree, despite him acting like a complete fool most of the time. I'm glad that we got to have fun with him.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

I know. I I there was a lot. I remember first time watching this, I was so glad to see him back in there. I know they show him in the trailer, but I was really glad to see him back in there. And as we all know, in Age of Ultron, he gets his arm cut off by Ultron. Um wanna know what we thought about that movie, go check out our previous post on that. Um cuts his arm off, and here, just like in the comics, he's got that really he has a robot arm now. Ooh. Very nice, very nice. Um after that. Oh, another thing is um I noticed that when Mbaku was coming out to challenge Kachala, um, like a bunch of Mbaku's like of his a bunch of his people came with him, and one of the people in there is his stunt double played by Shad Gaspard. And I wanted to point him out because for two reasons. One, he used to be a WWE wrestler. Um, he then left WWE and he became like an not necessarily an action star, but he would be people's stunt doubles. Um so you'll see him from time to time back in like the teens to early 20s, 2020s, doing stuff. Um, but a few years ago, he he passed away um via like uh he was out swimming and the currents pulled him out and he was trying to save his son. He did manage to save his son, but like uh the currents pulled him under and he, you know, they never um you know he was I think he was m gone for like a day or two before they found him. So yeah. Just another RIP man from what I hear from a bunch of wrestlers saying that he was a really, really good guy. I've seen a bunch of these actors uh talk about working with him as Sun Doubles and all that stuff. So yes, R.I.P. to uh Shad Gaspard. And he was also uh inducted into WWE's Hall of Fame by his, I believe it was his wife and his um who was his tag team partner and Shad Gaspard's uh son. So I just wanted to point that out before we move on. Um even though Shuri does tend to annoy me from time to time with the way she speaks and these weird little jokes she does, um, I do think her and T'Challa, more so like Taticia Wright and um Patrick Bozeman, like they really do have a really good relationship, that brother-sister relationship, even though she can be too joky for me.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Yeah, yeah, it's the relationship feels like pretty natural, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

I do appreciate that. Um we also do get a Stanley Camera R.I.P. to Stanley.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Lost a lot of good people from this movie, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

And they will forever be remembered through these movies. Uh and but like a hell of a movie to remember them through, though.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Yeah, this is a great movie, thank god.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Um, but yeah, so we get more of his name. Chadwick Buseman's character, Eric uh Killmonger, who does something that I thought was gonna make me absolutely hate him. And I know we were just singing his praises about this movie, but we find out for starters that. Eric Kilmonger's character is actually part like Wacon is Wakandon. Ooh, and what does he do? He kills Andy Circus. He sure does. I was hurt. I'm not gonna lie. I got mad. I got mad at the movie. Because like I really like Andy Circus, and I really liked his character. Even in the little bit that he was in Age of Ultron. Like I had dug it. Like there was something to him. Like he could have been one of those, like, he's just always around, you know, uh s uh stealing shit from people. Uh yeah, they kill him. And initially I was really mad. How did you feel about them killing him?

SPEAKER_00 22:49

I was a little disappointed because I wanted to see more of his character. He was such a fun character.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Yeah. But I'll say this though. His death isn't just like a oh, you're stealing. This isn't just like a throwaway death. So I think at that at this point, this is like in the this is like, you know, it's the MCU. We we just kill villains. We don't have characters who are just always stick around and it's at in some ways are always in the background in the universe, in our universe that we're building. It's just if you're a bad guy, you're probably gonna die or go to jail and never not even go to jail, we're just never gonna see you again. We've seen that time and time and time again, and we saw it here, and at the time I was really angry about it, but again, the big bad in this movie isn't Andy Circus, it's Michael B. Jordan. And not only that, but Michael B. Jordan's character, Eric Killmonger, isn't just killing him to kill him. There's a purpose that his death serves. Because a big thing that's going on right now in Wakanda is that they want T'Challa to get the man who they deem responsible for, you know, uh his dad's death. And they blame it on Andy Circus's character, they blame it on Ulysses Claw, and they want him to go out there and get him. And he's like, Yeah, I'll do it. And even his um, one of his friends who's played by um Daniel Kaluya, who plays if I pronounce his character's name wrong, my bad. But it's um Wakabi, Wakabe. Um, and he's like adamant about it. He's like, if you want, I he's telling T'Cala this, he's like, I'll go out there with you, and we can go get him and make him pay for what he did. And T'Challa trying to be like this, like, not necessarily like this, like, I will go out and kill people, this more not necessarily nonchalant, but he's like, we don't have to kill people, type of thing. Like, he'll you know, go through justice and all that stuff and whatever. Right? So we can already see that there's two different like points of view that these two characters want. And Eric Kilmonger, Michael B. Jordan's character, killing Ulysses Claw and bringing him to Wakanda to not only just show that he has him and he was willing to kill him for the people, he's also revealing to us that he's Wakanda and that he's T'Challa's cousin. What? Because in the beginning of this movie, we got I need to go back and find his dad's name. T'achaka um came to I don't know what part of the world he was in that he came to find, but he can't this is this is like a flashback, so that we could do like minus like 20 years, a 20-year flashback that um T'Chaka, King Tachaka, came by to check on Eric Kilmonger's dad. Just to he's like, hey, just so you know, we've been robbed a few times, no one should really know where we're about because we're like a hidden place in Wakanda. Everybody thinks we're poor when we're not, you know, it's and you're the only dude out here. I just want to know. Um, and then plot test, we also find out that he's been like selling information, selling information to let people in and making money off of it. And even though, in his eyes, err uh Killmonger's dad had a good reason for it because you know, um, T'Chaka said, Well, you still betrayed us and all that stuff, and he ends up killing his dad. I know. And it's really it's wild because like we're so like sympathetic towards him in the in civil war, and at the beginning of the movie, too, like, oh, you just found out your own cousin is like betraying your people. And then the movie cut like this that's the beginning of the movie, and it cuts off there, and we just move on with the movie until we get here and we get the you know the rest of the context. That not only did he kill his brother, he left his son there, who is Eric Kilmonger. He left him there. But now it's like go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Not the smartest move I was just about to say. That's just like asking for him to come back for vengeance.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Yeah, and not only is it just like okay, not does it lead Eric Kilmonger to like start this quest to want to come to Wakanda, but it's like we now you're not that like great of a person because you just murdered somebody, whether or not you had the right to as king or whatever, I don't know. You just murdered your own family, your own blood, and then left your blood there with no father and seemingly no mother. It really makes us question you as like your like morally as T'Chaka. And that is something that comes up later on. So because we find out that he is family, this means that Killmonger, uh Michael B. Jordan's character, can challenge T'Challa for the for the role for the title of king. And he does just that. They fight, and we see uh, you know, Michael B. Jordan takes off his shirt, and we see like these like what I don't know what you call them. They're not like scars, they're like bumps all over his bod his body, and we find out that he's done this to himself for every single kill he's had. Like, because I think he was also in the military.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

And it's a crazy look. I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

It's very, it's very it is unique, to say the least. And it like for me, like it makes him more mental. Like, dude, this dude's crazy. And they fight back and forth, and you really he's he's putting a beating on T'Challa and like the fear and error in his whole family's eyes, because everybody's watching. And he T'Tala doesn't yield, but he gets beaten so badly, and Killm that Killmonger throws him over the waterfall. Killmonger is now king.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

And he takes the heart herb. Oh, you know what? What did you think? What did you think of him becoming king? Like he beat Tatala.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

I thought that I thought that was I thought it was good. It makes him like he just it makes him that much more of a threat, honestly. They built him because he's like intimidating, like the whole point of him is that he's intimidating. He's like, he's the more driven. He's like, because like the whole point, like admittedly, the weakest part of this movie is to Chala's motivation. I would say, like, he just like he's sort of like, I don't know what I should do, should I do stuff, should I not do stuff? Like, where how far as King I should act? That's it's not a real great motivation, but I mean it's I guess they had to give him something for so his character wouldn't be too boring. But here's the thing the the thing is like yeah, the he they add a great as a great contrast to him, which is like because like Killmonger, he knows what he has to do, he or he knows what he has, what he thinks he has to do, yeah, and he's willing to do it without question or or thought. Like he like he's just you see him like he's motivated. I'll be king, I'll kill my family, I'll do what I have to do to do what I think is right, do what I think is fair, or not maybe not right, but what is fair. Which is, you know, uh start wars between like start rebelling and you know fighting against uh oppression and whatnot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

So he becomes creating wars, he becomes king.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

And he, you know, he gets the power of the Black Panther, they give him the heart herb. And it's crazy because we saw this earlier when T'Challa got the heart herb after he like reacclaimed his right as the Black Panther, and you kind of get like transported to like I don't know what it's called, but like I really, I really don't. It's like a spirit weird, like afterlife spirit world type of thing where you know he talks to his father, and you're like, okay, he talked to his father and all that stuff. So that same thing happens to the killmonger. He takes a thing and he gets to, I believe, talk to his dad, but we're not in this like great plain spirit world thing. We're back in the apartment where his dad um passed away, or not passed away, where his dad was murdered. And I'm assuming you where you end up in this great plane of or spirit world type of thing depends on where you die. Because I'm I'm assuming they gave Tik Chaka, you know, the proper burial and all that stuff here. And so it kinda by that logic, I feel like it kind of makes sense that you know that is where um Eric Kilmonger's not only his like dad was, but that's where they have that conversation. And they have a conversation about something, and it's it's it's a really cool idea. It's really cool because he he's talking to his dad, but his dad isn't talking to like grown-up Killmonger, he's talking to child killmonger. And it's it's a it's a really interesting dynamic seeing the conversation that he's having with his kid, maybe because it's like the last time he saw him or something like that, and then it cuts back to adult killmonger, very emotional. Um, and one thing I really liked about this movie is that like Michael B. Jordan, his acting, of course, like we know he the the man can act, he's absolutely phenomenal at it. But this is like this isn't just a well-written villain. This might be like top two most well-written villains they've ever done. Because this isn't just an intimidating villain who has like, you know, you can like agree with him or whatever. This is a villain who's driven.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Yeah, that's that again. Like I said, that's that's what I like. That he's like the conch, he's like the opposite of uh T'Challa. That's where he's better than Chichala, is that he is driven, he's willing to do what he needs to do while T'Challa doesn't know what's right or what's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Yeah, and he came in here with a plan to become king, which he did, and then his next plan was to make sure there is never another Black Panther because he burns all the heart herbs. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. This movie's going out of their way to like really reaffirm this character. Um, that he's not one of those, like, yeah, we'll do this. I'm gonna do this as like as king and do this. Like, no, he came in with the plan, and he's doing exactly what he said he was gonna do from the rip. And again, because you know, there are some people who don't agree with him, people like Okoye, his mother, uh uh Titala's mother, uh Titala's sister, Shuri. Um, even the Dor Mulaj, let's talk about the Dor Mulaj for a second, because they're just I all of them, great.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Action with them, just again, great.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Um Yeah, their action's fantastic. There's a reason why they kept bringing them back for like a lot of different stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

And on top of that, they're just they're super intimidating.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Super intimidating. Yeah, they're oh yeah, they're they're scary.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

And um, yeah, even though their allegiance should be like for Wakanda and to do whatever they're told by the king, um, you can see that just like in their heart of hearts, they're not feeling what the what the king is feeling. Because I feel like, again, whether or not he's your king or not, you're morally gonna feel a certain way, and the way he's going about it, yeah, they're not aligned with. But again, they're they're they're you know, they're aligned with the king, so they they kind of have to. But seeing that friction is also really nice. But there's somebody who I guess respected T'Challa in a sense, but didn't respect the way he'd go about things, and that was Daniel Kaluya's character, Wakabi, who as soon as he sees Eric Kilmonger doing his thing, kind of liking the way he's running things, and then on top of that, without hesitation, brought the body of the man that he wanted to go find with T'Challa. So that that that alone made him quickly just be like, I'm on this dude's side, I'm ready for the war that he wants to take to the rest of the world. Yeah. And then plot twist, I we kind of already knew this though, because it's it's brought up earlier in the movie. He's married, and who's he married to? He's married to Oh, I don't know her. Okoye. Okoye. Yeah. So now you got her being the leader of the Dor Mulage going up against her husband. And while they're we get to this huge little fight at the end of this and at the end of the movie, and she and he she basically gets the best of him because she's the leader of the Dor Mulage, she's a badass, she'll kill you. And he asks her, would you kill me for Wakanda like kill me for the sake of Wakanda? And then she and without hesitation, she goes, for Wakanda, without a doubt.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

And I'm like, yo, yo.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

At the same time, like we don't like the dude right now because uh you know he's siding with the with the villain. That line, that line delivery goes insanely hard. I love it. Um oh, then I keep saying this, but plot twist, T'Challa's not dead. Um, he drifted down the waterfall river, and Mbaku found him. And it's crazy too because before they ran away from Wakanda or whatever, uh Shuri, her mom, and somebody else um took the the herb, the heart herb, and they took it to Mbaku. They wanted Mbaku to take it so he could fight um Eric Killmonger. And so they were trying to make him, you know, the Black Panther because they thought he was gone. And he very well could have done it. Mbaku could have just said, Yeah, give me it so I can go become king. No, because he's technically not dead. He saved T'Challa. They gave him the plant. T'Challa goes through this like great plain spirit world thing again where he sees his dad again. Okay, but this time this is a different T'Challa. This is the the the T'Challa who knows what his dad did.

unknown 38:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

Now the conversation they have goes from not being so loving, and now, like, how could you? Like, you they're right about you, about everything they said about you. The way you've been running things is wrong. Or people outside of Wokanda have been suffering forever, and you've done nothing. It's it's such a good conversation. Not a conversation, but it's like a good uh not even really an argument because his dad doesn't argue back. Like maybe in his heart of hearts, he knew he was what he was doing. Like in his heart of hearts, his dad knew he could have done more, but he didn't for the sake of Hokana to keep it like you know, them safe and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Oh that's so good, dude.

SPEAKER_03 39:22

This movie's just layers on layers on layers. And it all came at the death of my boy Andy Circus. I'm hurt about that, I still am. Um we got this killer line delivery because as you can see, I am not dead. Epic question mark fight. They start fighting. Really good okay. We've had a lot of positives, right? It's time to get into some some negatives. This fight, I'm sure on paper, sounds awesome. Final product, it did not look great. It does not. It it really doesn't. So their suits before they start fighting both look great. It's it's when they start fighting that they it starts looking like PS2 levels of quality. Like there's no detail in the suits. All you see is the helmets, just their black suits, like one solid color, no difference in it all, and then you see the purple outlining, right? Not the outlining, but the purple like details in there. Um, it does not look great.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Yeah, and honestly, now that you mentioned it, I will say that um I now understand the purple outlining, so you can tell who's who from a distance. Yeah, because one's purple, one's gold.

unknown 41:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Let's see, like, okay, so now we know who's who. Okay, the purple one's T'Challa. The gold one.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Yeah, it it genuinely does not look good. It's one of the least impactful fights. Like, we just we just saw T'Challa take down a giant rhino with his bare hands. Granted, he has the Black Panther powers, whatever. But by himself, right? We just saw Eric Kilmonger take on like the entire door mulage. Really good stuff, really good stuff. This uh I say like least impactful, I mean like the action just does not look like I get the idea of like we're fighting in this like weird magnetic train railway where our suits are also disappearing, and then like the train will come on, and the suits kind of disappear, and then as soon as the train goes away, not train, but like cargo stuff, our suits go back. So we really gotta time this fighting and stuff on the side. It really doesn't look good. It really doesn't. Yeah, no. And the fighting ends with, like I said, like these suits are kind of like fragmenting away, like disappearing, because I don't know how this magnetism in this cargo railway is working or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

It's it's just supposed to like destabilize the the the vibranium. I don't know, so they can move it. It's something about move well, they're mining so they can move it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

And Cachala times it perfectly to stab Killmonger right in the heart. And when I didn't think he could get any better, Killmonger sells this stabbing so well. Like his heartbreak in the stab. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

There's a reason why he wins an Oscar in the future, folks. There's a goddamn good reason.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

Honestly, it's a shame he took it took him this long. It really, it really is because he's been in like so many good things since then. Um shout out, because we saw him in um what's that movie called? Sinners. Oh, it's an old movie. Oh uh Chronicle. Oh, yeah, he's great in that too. Love that movie. Love the movie. Um that's underrated. It really is. We'll talk about it one of these days. Um oh, but and one of these days is like long into the future. We have the rest of this year planned out. Oh um Yeah. But yeah, stabs him and this like emotional. Face that he makes knowing that everything he's worked for is now gone.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

It's it hits so hard.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

He's also so well written. Like his his final lines, too, like you'll be like, we can like because you know Chichala didn't because you know at the end of the day, like Tichala didn't want to kill him. Because here's the thing we've established early on that T'Challa he doesn't want to kill somebody, especially if he feels like he doesn't have to. Um that's what makes him a hero. Honestly, that's what it really they established well to make him a hero. Like he's we saw it with Mbaku, and they we it's still out for him, like, and it's still for uh uh Killmonger, despite everything he's done. He's like, I don't want you to die. He's like, but then Killmonger's like, no, just toss me out to see like they did my ancestors, the ones who who knew uh death was better than bondage. I was like, Oh, yeah, so that was a good essay.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

So when so when he stabbed him, I was so I was very sad because I like this is uh like you said, an extremely well-written character. Like, like we've we've said other characters in the past, I think we'll get to it now. Um we've said other Marvel characters, villains in the past are either really good or absolutely nothing, and I think for a good chunk of time, they were just absolutely uh nothing. Um, like the the at the time, so right before this movie came out, Adam, who would you say was the best villain we had gotten so far?

SPEAKER_00 45:35

So far?

SPEAKER_03 45:36

Yeah, before not counting this movie. So right before this movie came out, if someone was to ask you who's the best villain the MCU's put out so far, who would you say? I guess Loki. Right? And that's back in 2012. Yeah, that's it's been six years, right? But even then, Loki's might okay, before this movie came out, Loki's the best character, but this he's nowhere, nowhere near as written as well as this character.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Exactly. Yeah, he's just so well written, he's so compelling. You almost root for him despite being the villain.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Yeah, and on top of that, he you know what? You can correct me if I'm wrong because me and Kikan still we still we'll die on this hill. He technically didn't do anything wrong. He became king the way you're supposed to by beating the other person.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Yeah, I can I can see what you're coming from.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Because he granted he was about to do some crazy crap, but but he was doing it like legally, like and by legally, I mean like yeah, he wasn't just like he wasn't um this wasn't no mutiny or anything. Like he became king and he said, like, this is what we're gonna do. He yeah, he did it all by the books.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Um gran uh the only thing he really did that was awful is that he killed Forrest Whitaker's character. Uh like the remember the friend of the he killed, remember he stabbed him right in the heart.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

Yeah, yeah. But I think it's because Forrest Whitaker's character is the friend. Yeah, he was there.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

He was the one who ratted out on his dad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

So he knows justified. Justified.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

Yeah. That's the and that's a sad, like yeah, he he grant like again, he hasn't done it. I think that's why I think uh T'Challo really wanted to like save him, probably, because again, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Wait, didn't he kill his girlfriend? Oh, he might have. Yeah, he killed his girlfriend.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

He also killed I think he also killed some one of the door malage women. Oh, that's right, yeah. But like they're coming at him. So again, it's a king defending his crown. Self-defense. Self-defense, whatever. Um okay, but the girlfriend, no, that was before all that, so you know. I know, but even then, like, as a king, he's not doing anything wrong. Um, and on top of not even that, but um, I think right before he says that, like, no, just bury me bury me at sea or bury me in the ocean. Yeah, before he says that, uh, I think T'Challa was like, Well, we can save you, like, let me just take you to the hospital or whatever. And he says, like, what? So you can like just like lock me up in prison or something like that? And then that's when I'm just like, why would he go to prison if technically this fight you're having is just for you to reclaim king? Like, this is still technically the technically their fight never ended because he did not yield and he did not die. So all this fight is determining is who's king. So if Eric Kilmonger had said I yielded or whatever, the chala would have been king again. He would have done nothing wrong. That's what I'm trying to get at. There's no reason that Eric Eric Kilmonger should have been thrown in jail. But regardless, he said what he said, you know, just bury me in the ocean with my ancestors that jumped off from the ships because they knew death was better than bondage. Yeah. Oh hard line, just hard ass line. Right? Right, dude. And it's so good. And on top of that, like, he before he died, his dad, he told T'Challa that his dad told him that the sunset in Wakanda or over Wakanda is is the most beautiful view ever. And you know, Eric Hilmonger's dad was murdered, so he never got to show him. So T'Challa being the king that he is takes him there to show him, and that's when then he then begs him to like let him save him, and then that's when he says that line. And he gets I forget you we forget their family too.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

We gotta remember that cousins, they're cousins.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Yeah, they're they're first cousins, and it's just like is it's exactly what happens with their with their parents. Yeah, a cousin killed a cousin, and then here it is another cousin killing a cousin.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

A brother, no well, it's a brother killing brother.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

And here's them. They're they're so it's it's it's it's it hits hard, it really does. And I can't tell you how upset I was that they did it again, they killed the villain.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

They killed the great one, though. That's the problem. That that's the real problem of this. They killed the great villain, a such a well-written, well like acted character, like that you almost root for that the character that the main MC, let's be real. Chichala kind of like it kind of inspired, he inspired T'Challa to do more, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:53

Because post this, he's like, We're opening up to the rest of the country.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Welcome to a hidden country. No one knows about Wakanda's resources or the fact that it's probably the most advanced country in the world at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

Yeah, because I think in the beginning of the movie, we're like, oh, Wakanda's uh king Tichaka has been killed. By the way, it's also like one of the poorest countries in the world. There's nothing about it, but like we now know that it's all BS because they have like they beat apparently.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

They if you read the comics, they actually beat America to the moon.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

Yeah, and I think Suri's technically like uh when we come to like when we're talking about like smartest characters in the MCU, I think Suri's smarter than Tony Stark, whether people want to believe it or not. Yeah, she is.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Oh yeah, somebody uh so there's someone that even beats all of them, which is funny enough, another little black girl, which is uh I don't I don't know if uh Moon Girl, I don't know if you'll ever see her or something. I forgot what was her name? Is it Moon Girl in Devil Dino? I I don't know, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Um yeah, and this I I like I said, I was really upset when they as soon as he got stabbed, my heart dropped because I was like, no, no, no, no. But then weirdly enough, when he dropped that line, his final line about where he wanted to be buried, that whole line. I was like, you know what? I guess at the end of the day, he kind of wants to go out the way he wants. Like, I I felt like it was justified. Like, I was no longer I'm sad, I'm really sad because I like Michael B. Jordan. And again, and like, you know, I really like the character.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Yeah, this is not like a bad thing that they killed him. Like, this is a like story-wise, at least, it's not a bad thing that they killed him. It makes sense. Everything, like, it's nothing out of character or anything for either for anybody. Yeah, it's just uh it's just it's the the it's this just comes to show you that like it's he's just a that good of a character that we were we're sad that he we he's gone, you know.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

And again, it does more. I I feel like the death does more than him being prisoned up would have done. Or Kachala specifically, because like you said, after this, he then opens up to the world about what Wakanda really is, what they have and what they can offer the world. And yeah, I believe that's pretty much it. I don't remember if there was a post-credit scene. There must have been because it's the MCU. Um I'm gonna Google it right now.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's Bucky. We find out that they have Bucky.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Oh, one of the post-credits was them. So there's a mid-credit scene where T'Challa is accompanied by Nakia, Nakia, Nakia, and Okoye, where he holds a press conference at the United Nations to announce Wakanda's ending its isolationist policy. And the other one is Bucky, yeah, Bucky Barnes missing his metal arm, wakes up in a hut and is greeted by Shuri, who tells him he has much more to learn. And then the local children call him White Wolf. A nod to the Marvel Comics. Um, that's and that's pretty much this movie. Um overall, Adam, what did you think of Black Panther?

SPEAKER_00 54:15

Oh, this movie's this is like well, this is one of Marvel's like best, and this is a great lead up. This is a great lead up to like Infinity War.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

That was my next question. Um, this is our penultimate movie to Infinity War. Like this this came out in uh February, I believe. And Infinity War came out in May.

unknown 54:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

I believe it was May. It might have been April. It was April because they re-ro they released it a week early, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

Yeah, I remember. I was like, I was like in that early. I got like the day early screening. I think my my friend like got us tickets like online, and like we were able to get like that one day early screening of Infinity War. I still I still say, man, I can't wait till we get to those movies. I still say like Infinity War and Endgame, like the Avenger movies, like the theater experience is like the best experience I've ever had in the theaters. Same, same, same, same.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Um, and we'll have some news about that in a second, but um, yeah, so it's crazy because Lee I didn't I didn't mention this at the beginning of the of the record of the pod, but I one of my things going into this movie is and because this is the movie right before Infinity War, at at so once they announce Infinity War, we know the game plan. Thanos is the game plan, and if we know Thanos, we know he's with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Infinity Stones and all that stuff. So now people are tracking the Infinity Stones. Where are they at? And we pretty much have an idea for where they're all at, except for like two of them, maybe at at the time.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

One of them You know, it's the Soul Stone, one of them was a Soul Stone.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

So I was just like, okay, the Soul Stone obviously has to be in this movie, and it isn't. So I'm like, Oh, okay, then I guess we'll they'll have to bring it up in Infinity War, which we'll get into in a future episode. So yeah, but I was just like, Okay, so what are they this movie has to set up Infinity War, and it kind of it doesn't in any way, it's just like here's this character, here's this story, and now we'll see you guys in like three months for Infinity War. Okay, um overall though, I loved this movie. Loved this movie, really, really good. Again, in a time where we're not getting villains. This is peak Marvel. This is that time where like movies aren't just like, oh, it's pretty good. They're they're great.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Yeah, they're great. Like Marvel was untouchable. After, especially after this movie, this movie, like come how many like like people were just doing that Wakanda forever.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Yeah, I I remember seeing videos of people being like taking my there's this video of this girl who she she loves in Marvel movies, and she took her boyfriend who doesn't like Marvel movies to see this movie, and like they were like, she recorded him going to the movie where he was kind of annoyed that he was gonna go see it, and then coming out of the movie, he was driving doing the accents and the doing the Wakanda Forever stuff. Like, like you said, the Wakanda doing the Wakanda Forever thing was everywhere. I think even at like an award show or something like that, I think Michael B. Jordan won an award or something like that. He's like, hey, if we can stop doing the Waconda thing, Waconda Forever thing, because I can see my man Chadwick Bozeman's getting tired of it. Um yeah, this movie was absolutely fantastic, and it's like in the midst of Marvel's peak, it's absolutely insane. It gave us Chadwick Bozeman, Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan, honestly, Michael B. Jordan is like stole the show for me in this movie. He Chadwick Boseman is really good. I was not ready for a character as well written as Michael B. Jordan's Eric Kilmonger was. I really wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

And oh yeah, no, he was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

Absolutely fantastic. The highlight of the movie. And honestly, I think to this, to this day, we probably haven't gotten in terms of their movies, because I think um because I just finished watching Daredevil Born Again, and you know uh I feel like uh I gotta watch that. I feel like it's also stemming from the Daredevil show from Netflix and all that stuff like that, but I feel like Charlie Cox's Daredevil and um Vincent D'Anoffrey's Kingpin are some of the most if not probably they're some of the most well-written characters in all of the Marvel content shows with it or just like the universe that we've ever gotten. But like black uh Chadwick Bozeman's as a villain, not Chadwick Bozeman, Michael B. Jordan as the villain, top is honestly probably top two villains we've ever gotten in the MCU.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

Oh yeah, he's he's you can't go around with Killmonger. Like Killmonger is like I don't know if you want to argue he's the best. I can like honestly, I'd be that's a that's a you really could make the argument.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

You really could make the argument because that for me it's between him and Thanos. Yeah, that's pretty much it. And like, and I honestly want to say, like, Thanos feels a little bit of a cheap move because like he has like the big spectacle movies, you know, and he's well it's not even really about the the spectacle of their movies, it's like just more so the motivation, and like I feel like here here's okay, here's my argument for Thanos, and we'll get into it more in when we talk about Infinity War in the future. But it's it's what is Thanos's motivation for wanting to snap half the universe in the comics?

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Oh, uh, he wants to hook up with death, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

So not only do they not they don't obviously, guys. You guys have seen the movie, it's been out for nine years now. Um, they don't do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Oh fuck, don't don't say that. Don't don't say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:10

Oh, it actually hasn't it hasn't been nine years because that movie came out in 2018. It's been eight. Oh god, are we almost it's almost a decade since fucking yeah, but they did they don't do that, so not they have to basically like give Thanos they have to come up with this whole new reason to make him want to ha snap half the universe. Not only that, but you gotta make like the villain of all these villain movies, of all these Marvel movies like you can throw in all the heroes and it'd be great, but you have to get the villain right. And and not just a villain, they have to get they had to get Thanos right. Because if we got another I like I like the voice of Ultron. If you get another Ultron, the movie I'd argue falls apart. You need a character as well written as Thanos.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Yeah, he he really it's the Infinity Wars almost it's basically his movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:09

It it is 100% his movie. Um so for that reason for that reason I would put Thanos above Black Panther just because they absolutely had to get him right. In Black Panther, again, we've gotten Marvel movies where they don't, and they're they're seven out of tens, eight out of tens.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

There where the villain not being so great is like it's okay, but it's it's it's a Marvel movie. They're never that great. This was like a surprising, like, whoa. Um, with all that said, Adam, what would you give Black Panther on a scale from one to ten?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Nine out of ten. This is a great movie. Good at great action, great characters, uh, great villain. Great soundtrack, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

Right, absolutely. I am right there with you. I'd give it a nine out of ten for all the same reasons. Chatterick Bozeman, Michael B. Jordan, absolutely kill it. Um, other characters like Latisha Wrights, Shuri, Okoye, David Nakia, Mbaku, all super great cast. Michael B. Jordan absolutely steals the show. Um, again, Michael B. Chatwick Boseman does great. Michael B. Jordan is on a whole his care his character-wise, like what's written, there's just way more to Eric Hillmoger's character there for him, like way more meat on the bone. And oh, does he knock it out of the park? Oh man, nine out of ten for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

Would have done could have got ten out of ten of those graphics for better, but whatever. Honestly, you're not too far off there. I mean, I think honestly, if the if if if they just, you know, I don't know, baked it a little bit more on those on that CGI, I could have given it a 10 out of 10. Because like honestly, that's like our only gripe is like that final fight with him and Killmonger, like you said, looks like a PS2 game sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

Uh dude, it's worse on Rewatch. It's bad. I feel that is one of the things that will age horribly. Poorly, yeah. Um, it was so close to greatness. It's it I think at the time of recording, this is probably I like well, at least at the point where we're at in the MCU, it's one of the only nine out of tens. What's because do we have any nine? I'd say that the first Iron Man's a nine out of ten. Yeah. Yeah. But like what I don't know if I what's what would you give what would you give of the first Avengers movie? Uh yeah, I gotta give it a nine. I give the Avengers movies a nine out of ten. Right? Because other Iron Man movies aren't. Um I don't think the Thor definitely not. Thor, no. Oh, uh um Oh, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Civil War and Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier, yeah. Cap the Cap movies were phenomenal. Nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

The first one is not a nine out of ten. The first one's like a solid, like maybe like seven or eight.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:04

Or not the first one, the the second one.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

I know the second and third ones are nines and tens.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

Nines and tens, yeah. Honestly, I give nine to Civil War and ten to uh get the name of the second one. Winner Soldier. Yeah, I that's exactly how I give them.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

Winner Soldier gets a ten. Uh Civil War gets a nine. Um, but yeah, I'd also give it a nine and ten. Rotten Tomatoes has this at 96%, IMDB has it at 7.3 out of 10, and Letterbox has it as a 3.7 out of 5. You know what's crazy? One of the first reviews I saw for this movie was saying that it's not superhero-y enough. And I'm like, because it's not. I know people see the Black Panther as a superhero in like the universe world of all this, but he's like a political figure. Exactly. This movie is very Game of Thrones. This movie isn't, oh, he's a superhero saving the world. Like, no, this is just like political king stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:59

Yeah, it's very Game of Thrones, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

It's almost a coming of age movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

Um, yeah. Like I loved re-watching this. I'm so glad we got to this point. And not only that, I didn't mention this at the beginning of the pod, but this is actually our season six finale. Oh, yeah. So season six finale. Awesome. We've done it, we've been here for quite a while. It's good to be here. What a movie to end on. Um, but we're gonna oh not but um we're gonna continue doing something we started doing uh not that many movies ago, where we now check the film's budget and box office money made. Adam, what do you think this movie's budget was?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

Oh, I know it was high because again, Peak Marvel, man, they were throwing money at this. Yeah, they were. I heard it was lower because of like uh people said that it was because it was a black movie. I don't know. Like so I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to quarter of a billion, like two 250 million. It's actually 200 million in the budget 200 million.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

Alright. 200 actually I think considering it's like uh what do you call it? Oh, never mind, never mind, never mind, never mind never mind. 200 million and it's let's go domestic. What did this we make domestic, Adam? No, you know what? No, Adam, guess it's guess it's worldwide. Guess it's worldwide total.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

Uh I'm gonna go. Oh, I I gotta go, I'm gonna go six hundred million. You very disrespectful. Oh my god, am I way off? Oh, it's probably a billion.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:49

Your your initial guess was six hundred million. The worldwide total is 1.3 billion.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:56

I forgot because I was just I don't know why I said that. Like I just got done saying how much of a like I brought up how much of a phenomenon this movie was for a while. Come on. I was so I literally I was I don't know what the hell I was saying. I was like, I should have said because like they were because weren't the Marvel movies like I think they were get like either near like most of the Marvel movies at this point were getting like either near a billion or a billion. Yeah, because I think Civil War made a billion.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

I I don't think Doctor Strange made a billion, but like they were oof, like dude, your your your initial guess of six hundred forty six hundred million isn't even what it made internationally. So internationally it made six hundred forty-seven million, domestically, it made seven hundred million.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

Marvel Umball is just printing money at this point.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Yeah, it's insane. And like I said, this was the lead up to uh this is the movie right before Infinity War, which came out two and a half months later. Insane. We both gave this a nine out of ten. Um we're right on board with what Ron Tomatoes has it at at 96. Just to be sure. Oh, you know what's crazy? It's tomato meters at 96, and its audience score popcorn meter is at 79. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Miss maybe that's just the KKK trying to aim bought that shit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:26

Yeah, I know some people nowadays just go back and just start review bombing movies. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

This movie is uh so good. Yeah, hey uh I gotta ask you. So right now we're reached as we've been saying, we're at like the peak of Marvel, and as you know, you know, it's down, it goes downhill from here. But recently, I think we've been on an uptick again with MCU movies. Do you think we'll hit that peak again? This peak right here, where like Marvel's on everyone's tongue, it's like all anyone's talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:58

I don't think it's impossible to reach this same peak that we are here, but this the peak that we're hitting right now with like in like okay, so like phase phase one and two are like good, right? Phase three, yeah, from beginning to end, is like on an entirely different level. This is like now, it's like worldwide type of stuff. The the what I think the amount of like excitement, I feel like the time around the year, the year around Infinity War to Endgame, the yeah, that time period, dude, that one-year time period, I don't think there will ever, ever be anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Because I remember for me, the this peak hit. I think we hit this peak at like Civil War. As soon as that trailer for Civil War, everyone and every like everyone I knew was talking about Marvel, like still especially with Spider-Man. I mean, how many people did you see freak out when we saw Spider-Man do the instance?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

It was right around then when I started that's when I really I think well that was like right after I right before I graduated. So that I I I wasn't really on YouTube a whole lot back in the day, but like right around when black when Civil War started coming out is right when I hopped on YouTube and I just was watching like reactions to all the trailers like non-stop. That's when I started watching like theory videos and non non-stop. But this in this but like that time was crazy. You gotta admit, the infinity war lead up, like the months leading up to infinity war were unmatched. That first trailer, absolutely insane, breaking so many records. It's insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:39

Like it's dude, characters not even just like Marvel, they became like household characters, and like everyone in the household knew them. Yeah, I mean, every kid I I mean, look, I mean, how like we brought this up earlier with Guardians Galaxy. I mean, knew no one knew who the Guardians of Galaxy were, but now look, they're household names.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:58

Everyone knows I am Groot and uh Rocket and Star Wars There is nothing that will ever top that one year period from Infinity War and how it ended to endgame because I there is literally nothing like that hype that was around it. There that's like a fever dream now, thinking about it. Um yeah, phase four to five were filled with hits and misses. And you know what? It really like and people blame it to like superhero fatigue. I don't think there is such a thing because you can you know what you can do, you know what you can do, guys, is you don't have to watch it, you don't have to watch everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:42

Yeah, so the I think the thing is, I think the real thing is it's just like they were trying to find their footing after endgame, like you know, so how do we do this again?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

So for me, it's like I respect phase four in the sense that like I think I had one of this post-endgame, post phase three, and that is your mainstays are gone, like your big three are gone, except for Thor. You now have to try new things, and they did in phase four. But we gotta remember phase four is also like the pandemic hit a lot of stuff. We'll get into that in the future, but um, I do think we can hit the the highs of what the MCU once was, um but like like you said, they're gonna they're gonna have to find their footing post secret wars and like and really and really stay the course, don't change stuff, stay the course, yeah. Don't um I mean try new things, but don't do don't go crazy. You can go crazy. It's just I we know what the plan is now for post-secret wars.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

Um so like I said, there's a lot of like unfortunately a lot of bad things just like went wrong for Marvel. Like I yeah, it's amazing things went right, like a lot of contracts fell out. I mean, the whole Jonathan, like, wasn't like Krang supposed to be Kang was supposed to be the main villain. Yeah, and then he got into the We'll get into that into the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

Um all in all though, yeah, that was our uh that was us talking about Black Panther. Hell of a movie. Um, our season six finale. We've been here for six seasons, Adams. Six seasons, Adam, um, across four years has been quite a run. Um and that means that I feel like it's a long time. Nope. We've the podcast started in 2022. Really? Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

Damn, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:42

All right, in 2022. Um season six. Um, but make sure I this episode, if everything goes right, it will come out. What's today? Yes, Monday. Um, so Monday will be, if you're listening to this right now, and it's Monday, season six finale, let's go. Stay tuned for Friday. This coming Friday, the 22nd, because that will be our season seven premiere episode where we'll be kicking things off with quite possibly one of the MCU's greatest movies ever. Actually, I don't think any movie touches uh Winter Soldier, but uh we're talking about Avengers Infinity War. Oh man. Since the day we started this I started this podcast, Adam, I've been wanting to get to this movie. Four years later, we're finally here. Season seven premiere May 22nd. Bookmarket. Well, you guys only have to wait a few days, anyways. It's gonna be good, Adam. Um, with all that said though, it's been fun, it's been good. I've been your host, Andy. I've been here with Adam the whole time. Yeah. And see you on the