Fatherhood Beyond the Grid

Have you ever wondered what happens when two radically different approaches to fatherhood collide with reality? This throwback episode from our archives dives deep into the heart of parenting through the lens of "Captain Fantastic" and "Mrs. Doubtfire."

Viggo Mortensen's portrayal of Ben in "Captain Fantastic" challenges everything we think we know about raising children. We explore how this father's decision to raise his six kids completely off the grid transforms when tragedy strikes and the outside world comes calling. The film raises profound questions about autonomy, mental health, and the delicate balance between protecting our children and preparing them for life's harsh realities. 

Meanwhile, Robin Williams' iconic turn as Mrs. Doubtfire offers a completely different take on fatherhood—one where desperation leads to disguise. We dissect why Daniel couldn't simply be present for his family before separation and question the film's portrayal of Miranda. The situational comedy might feel dated, but the emotional core still resonates: what lengths would a parent go to remain in their children's lives?

Both films ultimately reveal how fathers navigate challenging circumstances, from living completely off-grid to finding creative (if questionable) ways to spend time with their children. They also showcase how different fathers adapt—or fail to adapt—to their children's changing needs. 

Listen in as we unpack these father-centric stories and share our personal connections to their themes. What film portrays fatherhood most authentically in your experience? We'd love to hear your thoughts!

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Transcript

Welcome to Season 2

Speaker 2 0:10

Welcome to Season 2 of the Double Feature Podcast . Today we're opening up the time capsule . We'll be enjoying one of our unreleased episodes from a few years ago . Think of it as a conversation frozen in time . Buckle up and get ready to time travel in three , two , one .

Father's Day Special Introduction

Speaker 3 0:43

Today's topic is Father's Day episode , as we honor Father's Day and honor our dad . But first let's get to know our dads a little bit better . So I met your dad , yeah .

Speaker 4 0:54

I met your dad . You did . You were in a hospital bed and I met your dad . Your dad was there .

Speaker 3 0:59

I totally forgot about this . I'm so sorry . I think it's funny how we've known each other . This is good , though . Yeah , totally forgot about this .

Speaker 1 1:04

I'm so sorry . I think it's funny how we've known each other .

Speaker 3 1:05

This is good though , yeah , that we've known each other for a while , and then some of us remember sometimes we don't yeah , I think that's a good thing . I don't know if you think it's a bad thing . It just goes to show how long we've known each other and I'm sorry , it's okay . Well , you forgot about the isla thing , so yeah , I did but I wish we both forgot about that . I know anyway , anyways . So , uh , what's , what's going on with your dad , my dad ?

Speaker 4 1:28

any little . So it was hard . It was hard to pick one because I felt like my mom raised me more . So I was like trying to think a funny story about my dad . But when I was like a teenager , I worked at the mall and I would have to take the bus . I worked at hollister and we would go early before the store opened to rearrange the mannequins and the clothes and whatever , whatever .

Speaker 4 1:50

And this day I overslept and I woke up the time I was like should have been at the bus stop already . So I was like oh shit , and I couldn't call . I couldn't call Hollister because no one was there yet . So I couldn't be like hey , I'm running late or whatever . So I was just like oh no . And then my dad calls my cell phone and I answer it and I'm like hello . And then he's like are you in danger ? And I was like yes , I need a ride to work , please come get me . Then my dad had already left the house because he was going to work , and then he like circled back and came to get me that's sweet .

Speaker 3 2:26

Did you get in trouble at ?

Speaker 4 2:26

work . No , I got there on time , perfect , so that saves the day , save the day the first thing that came to my mind , uh , little backstory , my dad's an og .

Speaker 3 2:36

Um , and I feel that's important to say because , you know , what can

Captain Fantastic: Living Off the Grid

Speaker 3 2:40

ogs teach their daughter is the question I ask . I remember this was shortly after 9-11 happened and we went somewhere . We went somewhere and I , prior to 9-11 , like I lived very I don't know if it was naive because I was a child , or very enclosed because I wasn't very much exposed . I was not , even though I went to private school , like I don't feel , like I was hand in hand , like exposed directly with other cultures and different religions , like I had just heard of them and seen them in books , but nothing . And then it's a catholic private school . So , yeah , they're not gonna talk about other religions and faiths , you know . So , for the longest time , at this point in my life , I only knew there were three races Black , white , mexicans . I had no idea what . Salvadorinos were .

Speaker 3 3:36

Dude , yeah , me too . Guatemalans . I met my first Filipino in eighth grade and I was like you're not Filipino . I don't know what the fuck that is .

Speaker 4 3:47

You're mexican , bro , like quit lying . Why are you hating on your people ? You know whatever , and their last names are like buena fe , or exactly .

Speaker 3 3:50

Yeah , they're very similar , and so , you know , we went somewhere and I seen a muslim , a real muslim , for the first time , and you know he was wearing I think they're called hijabs , right , yeah , and um , I told my dad this was shortly after 9-11 . So I'm connecting the two . That's the dude that I'm seeing on the news . I found him . Yes , I was like dad , am I like exactly what we're doing right now ?

Speaker 3 4:12

My dad laughed at me , told other people , didn't bother to correct me , didn't bother to take this dad lesson and correct me . He just laughed and laughed and laughed and made fun of me for the rest of my life about it and I am grateful that it has ended . I don't know how long it was going on for , but , um , I'm grateful to have learned the cultures and religions , um , with no help from my dad . But I'm always like god damn it , dad , like that would have been a good point , but yours is much more wholesome . That's a funny story . Yeah , I'm embarrassed , I'm like god damn it , dad , but anyway , uh , captain , fantastic yes captain , fantastic , it's .

Speaker 4 4:58

Um . All right , let me give you the summary . Uh , ben , his wife leslie and their six children live deep in the wilderness of washington state , isolated from society . Ben and leslie devote their existence to raising their kids , educating them to think critically , training them to be physically fit and athletic , guiding them in the wild without technology and demonstrating the beauty of coexisting with nature . When les Leslie dies suddenly , ben must take his sheltered offspring into the outside world for the first time .

Speaker 3 5:32

This movie is rated R for language and graphic nudity . It's considered a comedy drama , which was for a long time , one of my favorites Dramaties . Yeah Good , it's directed and written by Matt Ross . I checked out his stuff and I think he's more known for um some acting roles rather than , uh , directing . He came out in a movie called american psycho as luis carthers . I haven't seen that film , I don't know if you did . It came out in 2000 yeah , I've seen it .

Speaker 4 6:01

I don't know who he plays , though I'm not sure , either it's Luis Carthurs . I don't know .

Speaker 3 6:08

He also came out in the Aviator .

Speaker 4 6:10

He came out as Glenn , I haven't seen that movie . I haven't seen that one .

Speaker 3 6:13

That's the one with Gwen . Stefani , right , yeah , I didn't watch that one , even though I was a Gwen stan . He also came out in Ring of Fire Playing as Johnny Cash . I haven't seen that one . But that was pretty much it that I had caught on . This movie was released in July of 2016 . And it's box office gross USA Was 5.9 million dollars , and so this movie stars Viggo Mortensen . You guys might know him as the brunette hottie . He was from .

Speaker 4 6:47

Lord of the Rings .

Speaker 3 6:48

Yes , yes , the human , the human , sexy human , he plays . Ben , dad , we have Bodevin , yeah , bodevin . My bad , oh , these unique names .

Speaker 4 7:02

They made up the names , yeah .

Speaker 3 7:04

Bodevin , played by George McKay . We have Kyler , played by Samantha Isler . Isler Vesper , vesper Vesper , played by Annalise Basso . Relian , played by Nicholas Hamilton . Harper , played by Katherine Hahn . And Jack slash Grandpa , played by Catherine Han and Jack slash Grandpa , played by Frank Langella . So , um , some of these names we know , some of them we don't . Um , there's just , there's a lot going on in this film . This movie was how long ? Let me see .

Speaker 4 7:38

It was like two hours .

Speaker 3 7:40

Just about 159 . Cut Nick close . So , um , you know the mom commits suicide , but we never meet the mom . You know , do you think that she was happy living off of the grid at all ? There was like a scene where there was like there was a letter you know it's hard to say because they say that the mom was bipolar Right .

Speaker 4 8:07

know it's hard to say because they say that the mom was bipolar right . So when people are manic , they're go , go , go and they have these great ideas and they think it's so great and then afterwards , when they kind of mellow out , they're like oh , it's not a great idea so so I don't know .

Speaker 4 8:20

I thought that was interesting . We never meet her . So you know , you have ben , the husband , and the dad . He was like so committed to this idea , and then everyone else , like her parents and , um , they're like no , like she didn't want this , like she was crazy , yeah . So what do you think you're not ?

Speaker 3 8:38

sure , I'm not . I'm not sure , I think . Have you met anyone that has their bipolar ? I knew someone that was bipolar and I'm not a pro , so like I really couldn't determine . I was like obviously her professional therapist made this and I think , because I grew up with this person , I had a hard time accepting it . You know , I was like you can't be , like this is how I've known you my whole life . And then when the manic started to happen , I was like , oh , this is what it is and it's hard , you know .

Speaker 3 9:08

I think it's kind of everyone does it differently . I think you know it's kind of like depression . You know everyone's a little bit different with their depression . It's not like in the movies , is , I guess , what I'm trying to say .

Examining the Impact of Mental Illness

Speaker 3 9:21

So it's hard .

Speaker 3 9:22

I think she was happy , but again , it's hard , I think um , she was happy , but again it's hard to say right , because the ups and the downs , I think that she was . Um , it's hard with any mental illness that you have , whether you're anxious , depressed , anything , bipolar , schizo , the number one thing of mental illness it's like it's in the mind and so you're not gonna comply with the care yeah I know so many people that have anxiety and they do not comply you know , yeah , um , I think everyone has a gd um , but I thought she was happy .

Speaker 3 9:54

I think the most important thing is that , as long as they're not hurting themselves or others , let them have the autonomy to make their own decisions even if you don't agree with them um which this was like a very radical decision right yeah and off of the grid and having a family off of the grid , and so your , your parents , are being affected by this .

Speaker 3 10:11

Your whole family is being affected by that , and they display that really well in the film . Um , I think the parents , particularly the dad , was just doing what a dad does and trying to do what's best for the daughter , and I think a lot of parents struggle with their kids , especially when they become an adult . Having a relationship with them , yeah , and giving them autonomy , yeah . So I thought she was because of the last letter . And then who wants to go back to work ?

Speaker 3 10:37

nobody think about it like if she were to get like return to the grid yeah , she's gonna have to get a job , get a job . Explain herself on her resume or lie . I'm always pro . Lie on your resume , lie the work lies . You lie too . As far as I'm concerned , um , and and I don't know , I I in life , I feel like there's pros and cons , you know so I don't know that's what I thought um , but there's a scene too where you know ben .

Speaker 3 11:02

I don't know that's what I thought , but there's a scene too where you know Ben and the kids . They go to Harper . I think Harper is the sister right Harper is the sister , yeah , his sister , ben's sister , and you know she doesn't . They're at the dinner table and long story short , they lie , they want to lie to the kids her own kids about . The sister's death , I'm sorry . The wife's death , yeah , and Ben doesn't go through with it .

Speaker 4 11:32

And then you know he kind of like Because her kids asked like , oh well , how did Aunt Leslie die ? And then they're like , oh well , she was sick and she went to the hospital and like I think they said , well , sometimes sick people die , yeah , it was very vague , yeah . And then Ben was like well , no , she slit her wrist and killed herself , Right , yeah .

Speaker 3 11:58

And so do you think that Ben should have lied about his wife's death , to be hospitable or respect how other people want to raise their kids ?

Speaker 4 12:03

I think yes , because he was in someone else's house and , yeah , those are her kids . So , if you know , that's the decision she's making as a parent , I think , yeah , I think he crossed the line I think .

Speaker 3 12:16

I don't think he crossed the line . I think that he should . I understand what you're saying , though , like you're in my house , you should be abiding by my rules yeah I also feel like this is something that she should have asked of ben beforehand . Yeah , that's true . I don't think I mean people , people , people constantly underestimate children . I think they lose sight of what the children's are not capable of . And I don't even think it's the children , I think it's the adult .

Speaker 3 12:44

They're not ready to have these adult conversations . They don't know how to and that's the scary part for them and they're not giving enough credit of the capability to the children , and I think the children were at an age to understand death and suicide , especially if this movie was released today . This movie was released in 2016 and now we're in 2023 , so it's not too far away . It's almost 10 years , but not too far away . You know , there's kids that are committing suicide , yeah , so I think if it was released today , I mean , if the kids are committing suicide , then maybe you're okay to have this conversation about suicide . Um , but as far as the rules of the house , I do think that it was rude . Um , but also , people are so uncomfortable with death like yeah the parents were obviously so uncomfortable with everything every .

Speaker 4 13:32

Yeah , they just seemed uptight in general .

Speaker 3 13:34

Like that and this is my point you want your daughter to come back on the grid like look at how uptight the sister is yeah , you know , I mean try to deal with the work life here on top of being bipolar . Yeah , it's hard , um , but yeah , I mean I feel like they were trying to respect the way ben faces his kids , but I don't think they did a good job . They were like constantly criticizing , it's like the worst time to criticize , I know yeah , and then he showed them I mean he wasn't rude when he proved to them .

Speaker 3 14:03

Yeah , it's my type of man , but there was a clear uh uh , the social skills here yeah , it's not happening .

Speaker 4 14:14

Yeah , oh my gosh , the poor guy bodivin . When he's like where are they ? They're like at a campsite or something , rest , stop . And he's trying to talk to a girl and he's just like so nervous , yes , but he brings up a good point . What ?

Speaker 3 14:29

the fuck am I gonna talk ?

Speaker 4 14:30

to them about yeah , he's like when you talk to her about fascism or political systems or whatever , like yeah , like this . And then he recited like something to her very random yeah , it's not what kids talk about , yeah . And but then also like he's probably never even seen a girl , like imagine you just live like on a farm somewhere with your dad .

Speaker 3 14:53

Like that is so weird and I feel like that's the um , that's the only blind spot that I feel like this family had . Well , I think it was two of them and we'll get into them in a little bit , but the first one was , yeah , the lack of social skills . I feel , like the bare necessities were met and they're very much educated . It's just not enough . We're humans .

Speaker 3 15:13

Our civilization is based off of social interaction , relationships , yeah . Yeah which is the unfortunate part , and I feel like maybe the husband and the wife Ben , they were probably just over it , yeah .

Speaker 3 15:27

It kind of seemed like they were fed up with the whole world and fed up with their families too , mm-hmm ,

Social Skills and Real-World Challenges

Speaker 3 15:34

that they just cut it all off , which I don't think was very healthy . Because , yeah , obviously the oldest and he was getting ready to go to college . Yeah , you know , and I think that the mom knew that too . I think the way they displayed it later , when he revealed that his mom helped him go to the college , applying that the dad was like a hundred percent committed to this lifestyle , like black and white a hundred percent and the wife , like a lot of good wives , had better insight to know that you need a little bit of everything .

Speaker 3 16:04

Yeah , and I think that's probably where a conflict was , because it showed in his reveal of the fucking college oh my gosh .

Speaker 4 16:12

And then also when , like the girl's mom , catches them kissing and then he's like proposes , and he's like , oh , I want to marry your daughter .

Speaker 3 16:20

Like what the hell very obviously never been touched by a woman yes , that's what I was .

Speaker 4 16:26

I was like this is his first kiss , like he probably just just in his pants right now , like this poor kid it's a good story to tell when you're old , though , like when he has kids .

Speaker 3 16:39

This is gonna be a good story tell the kid oh my gosh , but you know what , as corny and embarrassing as it was , like I applaud this dude for just I mean being responsible like how many dudes , like if he only knew how many hidden and quitted dudes are out there you know what I mean .

Speaker 3 16:56

Hilarious , oh my gosh . Another point that I feel that liked here was emotional availability . So ben's emotional availability in the beginning versus the end is , what I like observed , so unavailable . In the beginning he announces the mom's death and he looks so like serious , so emotionless yeah so to the point and calm about it . You know she finally did it .

Speaker 4 17:22

Our lives will go on , is what he said yeah , I was like and then when he was like oh okay , training tomorrow 10 am , yeah , and I'm like dude , come on how the children are weeping .

Speaker 3 17:32

Yeah , you almost got stabbed by your own son right now . It was . It was very uh . What's it called apathetic ? Yeah , to the younger son hurting his hand as well , remember , and he was again just to the point can you move it ? Okay , it just hurts . You can get through this .

Speaker 4 17:49

Um , um , so I'm kind of like , but I feel like , as the father of you know , you have five kids to look after like he can't break down right now . He needs to keep it together because obviously the children are distraught right , and I get that too .

Speaker 3 18:09

It's like where's where's the ? Where is the balance of showing them that you are hurt , but you're not gonna fall apart while you're remaining strong . It's just too hard of a job , I couldn't do it . Yeah , you know he also . You're not gonna fall apart while you're remaining strong . It's just too hard of a job . I couldn't do it . Yeah , you know he also . You know when , the , when the grandpa um , what do you call it ? Jack wants to take the kids he couldn't arrange to visit often .

Speaker 3 18:30

Oh , I know he couldn't arrange to like live there too , or ? Ask fucking something he was just like , again black and white . Yeah , he's just gonna leave . I feel like he is emotionally available to teaching his kids to be analytical and how to survive , but I feel like that wasn't . I take that back . It wasn't a lot of emotional availability that needs to be there . Yeah , besides patience , I guess I mean I shouldn't cheat patience , but those are just some of the points that I noticed in the beginning of unavailability is there anything that you noticed as well about unavailability

Speaker 4 19:04

um , well , when his son tells him that he got into college , instead of like being proud because he got into all these like school he got like harvard and princeton and all these like top schools he was just angry . He's like , oh , you did this behind my back , like no emotion , like that would have been a nice moment , and he was just so like stern , like how could you ? We had you . You know , we had a plan and you didn't do it and did ?

Speaker 3 19:31

did you have a positive uh ? Did you receive positive um feedback when you went to college ?

Speaker 4 19:37

um from your parents .

Speaker 3 19:39

I mean , it was neutral and that's fair because neutral is different than like being totally opposed to it . You know my parents were happy that I went to college , but my mom was also like who's gonna look after me ?

Speaker 3 19:52

and I was like you have no needs , you're stable you're fine , you'll be , you'll be fine , mother , um , I think , again , you know it's like your kids are growing up and it's you don't know how to be there for them . And I think you know the son's growing up yeah , not a little boy , no more . He doesn't need to get your consent and your approval on anything and everything , especially when you're so heavily based on independent thinking yeah you , you know , free thought . Oh , that's a good point Hypocrites all around it doesn't matter , off the grid , on the grid , you know hypocrites .

Speaker 3 20:27

And then I felt like he became a little bit more available at the end when he shaved his beard . The fucking hair , the cliché . We were talking about cliches , watching cliches shit the other day um such a cliche . Are you a fan of this cliche ? I ?

Speaker 4 20:45

am , you are . I'm like , okay , this character , he's made a an epiphany he has his aha moment he's cutting his hair .

Speaker 3 20:53

Love it I hate and love this cliche , because I too am the cliche . I had an awakening and I just shaved off all my fucking hair and it's it's in the regrowth process now , and so I was like we know what that means . It's coming around and it happened .

Speaker 4 21:12

And look , he looked good with the beard and he was . He was equally as hot without the beard ridiculous .

Speaker 3 21:18

This hot man , this , this .

Speaker 4 21:20

The level of this man's hotness is ridiculous was he wearing like an orange suit , or he was wearing something crazy girl . And I was like , am I into this ?

Speaker 3 21:29

hilarious . You were getting that suit , so I felt that you know he definitely came . Yeah , after that , you know the youngest son tears up , you know he apologizes and stuff , so I think he was available to that and he also gave a wonderful college advice . Yeah , I was like what a good turnaround .

Speaker 4 21:50

It was so great he was . What did he say ? He was like when you lay with a woman . Respect her , even if you don't love her when you lay with a woman , respect her , even if you don't love her .

Speaker 3 21:59

Be gentle , Be gentle , yeah , and I

Emotional Availability and Growth

Speaker 3 22:00

was like great advice . I was like you're working something in me right now and I was like wow , this dude like came full circle . I feel like this is one of the best displays of a father .

Speaker 4 22:10

Yeah .

Speaker 3 22:10

On film and I'm like daddy's over here , daddy Ben over here , daddy bent over here . It was good he was working it . Um , what did you think about that speech ?

Speaker 4 22:23

I really liked it . I was like that's , I wish every young man would receive that advice and really like take it in yeah , absolutely .

Speaker 3 22:32

And then , yeah , be open , trusting a father to take their advice and then , being a present father , to even give that advice . Yeah , I thought it was good . Um , it did make me tear up at the end where the son apologizes and when they have the mom's , what is it the pyre ?

Speaker 1 22:46

oh yeah , really what she wanted and I just hate that .

Speaker 3 22:49

The parents , like they were , just wanted their way and it was ridiculous that it was at a church because she committed suicide oh yeah , you can't even have a .

Speaker 4 23:00

Yeah , according to constantine , can't have a catholic funeral if you kill yourself .

Speaker 3 23:05

Yeah absolutely so I was disturbed by that fact . Now that I know that it's like a fact , right , yeah , I asked my boyfriend . He was a devout catholic at one point in time well , you should .

Speaker 4 23:15

You went to catholic school .

Speaker 3 23:16

You should know I , I , I hate it . I should memorize it so I could further . So you use it against them , yeah exactly .

Speaker 4 23:23

It's just too much is what it is too , much . Well , I was gonna ask you , um , would you be lost in the world without your partner lost , like ? I felt like his wife died and he seemed like he didn't know how to navigate .

Speaker 3 23:36

Yeah , I don't think I would , because I've been hyper independent for so long like I'm . I'm still adjusting to like living in partnership , um , but I can't imagine like if I was him , like if I had built a whole life with you , and it's like we split everything and we have more than one kid and they're at different ages . I don't think parenting is a one-person job like I think I would be lost , but now I don't have kids , so no , I don't think so not me , what about you ?

Speaker 4 24:11

though I'm not that I'd be lost , I just would feel I guess what , lonely , or yeah , because I I feel like I like no one would have my back , like I have to go through all this alone because , um , not that I'm like super living off the grid , but the other day I was like having breakfast with my family at a restaurant and my sister she had her she has like a one-year-old baby , and the baby was being kind of fussy . And then they're like okay , brie , when you have your baby , like what are you gonna do ? And I was just like , oh well , you know , my husband and I we don't really go out to restaurants anyway , yeah , and then the look everybody gave me they were like it's already starting it's already started .

Speaker 4 24:55

They were like annoyed , they were like mad and I was just like well , like well , what like that's ? You didn't like it . You like what I had to say ? I know I'm expecting that where are you ?

Speaker 3 25:05

they don't know you . They don't know me . That's the problem . They don't know you . They're trying to teach you on something that is probably not applicable to you . Dude , the stories that I hear about criticism and womanhood , I'm just like I'm happy , I'm tapping out because I don't think I can handle any more criticism as a woman . But man , yeah , I mean , it's a lot of work , you know , but I'm glad you guys will be able to manage . But this movie did have me asking like was I abused as a child ? There's in the beginning where I think one of the sons asked something in the fire circle and the dad just stares at the sun during the fire circle , oh , oh , because the sun is changing the temple , the sun , oh yeah and I was like , damn , I know that , look , he's gonna get spanked , he's gonna take him to the tank .

Speaker 4 25:52

I thought so too , and then I was gonna be upset , I know , but then they just started jamming out yeah , he . This dad allows the children to be playful without restrictions , but even if they become hurt , but he was still like staring him down and I was like I was like the fire is going .

Speaker 4 26:08

I'm like this is where it's leading right yeah right , he's gonna take him out to the woods and I don't know oh my god , the first scene where they're like hunting an animal and they're like covered in mud and I swear they were gonna start speaking some weird language , like right there , yes , and then they started speaking English and I was like whoa , not that kind of movie .

Speaker 3 26:27

This movie was very surprising . It had a lot of . I did not expect anything about this goddamn film . I was like is this an indie film ? Because usually I feel like the indie films have more of like this , this type of writing , and yeah and even I mean I love to see like characters that are big , actors that are big now , like katherine han . You know she's great , but yeah , this movie was like I'm feeling . I'm feeling I'm tightening up , like you know okay , so very important question the nudity .

Speaker 4 27:00

The nudity , what'd you think ?

Speaker 3 27:04

obviously nothing , because I'm kind of , I'm like which the scene ?

Speaker 4 27:09

the dad . He just walks out naked , oh yeah . And then outside , yeah .

Speaker 3 27:14

And then this like old couple walks by and he's like it's just a penis , everyone has one I mean , only a dude can say that , because if a girl , if it was a female , no way . When I was , I think I told you when I was , uh , 18 I wanted to streak at my high school and I was like I can't do that . People are gonna be turned on like it's different .

Speaker 3 27:33

It's different when it's a guy versus a girl and so I was wondering if it was real or not , and I was just like , oh , he's a grower . I didn't want to see that I didn't want to see that . I would have been happier if they would have left . This is what the dudes talk about when they say leave a little to the imagination . That's what I felt it was cold outside . It was cold outside and it wasn't sexy because there were two old people there and I'm just like nothing about this .

Speaker 3 27:56

I can't wiggle anything about being this being anything sexy , so but it's so .

Speaker 4 28:02

Yeah , I was gonna say that it's not sexy and I think that was very to the dad's character . Everything was very like analytical , scientific , like , and yeah , like , this is my natural human body , like , yeah , nothing's arousing about it , it's just there yeah , absolutely .

Speaker 3 28:19

So now I was just like how do you ?

Speaker 4 28:21

I was like mind blown . I was like how do you get this hot , this hot man , and you put him naked and it's not sexy . I was just like the power of film , yeah , and he killed it here .

Speaker 3 28:35

Vigo , what is ? He is the irish , I don't know mortensen , I don't know , I don't know , but I mean he killed it here . Viggo , is he Irish ? I don't know Mortensen , I don't know , I don't know , but he did a great job . I've only seen him here and I think in .

Speaker 4 28:46

Lord of the .

Speaker 3 28:46

Rings .

Speaker 4 28:50

I think they were trying to make him an action star after Lord of the Rings came out . Oh , because of the success , yeah but , I , didn't . I never saw any of his came out . Oh , because of the success , yeah , but I didn't . I never saw any of his other movies .

Speaker 3 29:01

Oh , the Green Book , I did not see that . I could see this cheesy-ass Oscar-winning fucking film Crimes of the Future . Eastern Promises 13 Live . Oh , a History of Violence . I see what you're saying the . Road . Gi Jane , did you see that one ? Me neither . Uh , hidalgo , I haven't seen that one either .

Speaker 1 29:28

The witness I've okay , I see what you're saying now how unfortunate .

Speaker 3 29:29

I mean they probably didn't promote these very well , but who knows ? I think a lot of these were like before lord of the rings , though , so that sucks yeah I mean are there two cents ?

Speaker 4 29:42

uh , let me . Oh , I was just thinking I would be so productive without tv . I was like looking at like all the things . They were like , you know , canning their food . They had chickens , they're catching rainwater and all the distraction . They were like doing yoga and I was like man , if I didn't have tv I'd be on it no , seriously , and we're just so comfortable with all this , the man-made stuff yeah it's , it's unnecessary .

Speaker 3 30:07

Obviously , like , people are able to live . I would feel like they live comfortably , you know , and um , they're able to survive , like I don't think the way that they were being raised was wrong . I mean , they definitely have all the skills . Even the son that was upset , yeah , you know what I mean , who was grieving , um .

Speaker 3 30:26

But yeah , I probably would be more productive too so that's when they say , when the doctor recommends to do exercise , like how bitch we're in america . Homie like this probably would have applied if we didn't have all this technology making us comfortable and fat yeah , that's funny , there's a .

Speaker 4 30:43

So whenever the little people in my life are in trouble , we say no tv until like 5 pm and on those and on those days we like play board games , we read , we go bike riding and I'm like this is like , I'm like this is the punishment quote riding .

Speaker 3 30:57

And I'm like this is like , I'm like this is the punishment quote unquote , but I'm like this is fun , absolutely and the thing , the secret is not to tell them that yeah you gotta keep the power of the tv , yeah , and I think the power lies in there too , because that's how a lot of them socialize now in their at their age group , right , yeah , I think I know so many kids with their own tablets , yes , tablets . I think old people too . Yeah , old people are the worst . Can you take off all these notifications ? I have one old person the other day teach me , asked me how to turn off the flashlight on their phone and they they didn't know . There was a whole maneuver to slide down .

Speaker 4 31:30

Hilarious , yes , sir , slide down maneuver I think I think my mom had her phone on silent for a long time and she didn't know how to like unsilent it .

Speaker 3 31:40

That's not an old people thing , though my boyfriend does that ? All the time my phone's on vibrate . I'm like calling him furiously from the store . Okay , hate it when that's true all right , everyone . Now it's time for our newest segment , popcorn or Colonel . You know how sometimes we think we're just not the audience for this .

Mrs. Doubtfire: A Dad's Desperate Plan

Speaker 3 32:02

Well , we turned it into a metric where we judge the accessibility of the movie .

Speaker 4 32:07

Yeah . So we're going to look at the characters in the plot to see how relatable they are to a general audience or to a specific audience . So if we think the movie can relate to a lot of people , it's a popcorn so you can pass it around and share it with the whole family . But if it's for a more specific audience , then it's a kernel . Some people like it , some people spit it back .

Speaker 3 32:27

So the main characters I mean I would say Ben , of course Is the main character . Who else would you say is the main character ? Jack Bodevin ?

Speaker 4 32:35

Who else would you say is the main character ? Jack , that is Bodavine Bodavine . Oh yeah , the oldest son , the oldest son , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3 32:40

So would you say that Ben or Bodavine are relatable ?

Speaker 4 32:47

I would say yeah .

Speaker 3 32:48

I think so too , I mean .

Speaker 4 32:50

It's the father-son struggle , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3 32:52

It's the father-son struggle . Yeah , it's the father-son . Their own lives , are they attractive ? One of them is . Are they funny ?

Speaker 4 32:59

I don't think so no , they're not that funny .

Speaker 3 33:01

Charming . I didn't feel charmed .

Speaker 4 33:06

I was entertained , but yeah , I guess not charmed .

Speaker 3 33:09

Do they invoke sympathy or empathy ?

Speaker 4 33:11

Yes , there's a lot going on in this film . There's a lot , yeah the loss of his wife , the loss of the mother .

Speaker 3 33:18

Fighting families , both families , the kids , oh , when you guys yeah . Yeah , all right . Regarding the plot of the movie , are there stakes ? I think that there was because of kids , right ?

Speaker 4 33:31

Yeah .

Speaker 3 33:32

So I think that there was at one point . And are the characters in jeopardy ? I think emotional jeopardy I think , emotional jeopardy .

Speaker 3 33:39

They want to say goodbye to their mom right , they want to go to some sort of funeral ceremony they want to attend absolutely , and , and I feel like I don't know if it's because the dad , like a lot of times the kids follow the parent , right ? It's just that's all that you know until you become an adult . Yeah , they want to do what the dad is doing , and all the dad wanted to do was honor the wishes of the mom . Is the conflict interesting ?

Speaker 4 34:08

Yeah , I think I thought so . I think it was super interesting . Whenever you got the kids involved , it was interesting . Is the topic relevant though , I think so , because I think I think you're always going to have family conflict . I think so too .

Speaker 3 34:26

There's always going to be that . And then the kids . I feel like it's harder . I got popcorn over here . Yeah , it's a popcorn .

Speaker 4 34:37

The Bechdel Test .

Speaker 3 34:42

Now what does this get on the Bechdel Test ?

Speaker 4 34:45

Oh , unfortunately . Now what does this get on the bechdel test ? Oh , unfortunately , it fails . What ? It is really frustrating because there were scenes with the two sisters like working , or like they were like on the farm picking eggs or canning the food or doing whatever , but they're not talking , they're just there together . So I'm like , really , you guys can't say one word to each other , like hello , hello , yeah , how's it going ? Good morning , like geez , let me help you with that . I know anything , anything .

Speaker 3 35:17

So it fails because they don't say nothing now I want to know what do you rate this film ?

Speaker 4 35:23

you pick this film I did uh , I give it a 10 out of 10 . It has I think it has a nice journey with the dad learning , grieving , then learning to , you know , open up to his kids , and I thought it was so cute . Oh my God , the ending scene when they're just like they leave the farm that they lived on , right , and his kids go to like a real school and stuff , and they're just sitting at a kitchen table and the sun is shining and it lingers I don't know if you noticed . Yeah , it just kind of lingered on that shot and I felt like the dad was sitting there , like maybe , like okay , like we made it Acceptance , yeah .

Speaker 3 36:05

You know what . You bring up a good point before that . I originally made this a 9 out of 10 because I felt that it didn't have to be this long and I think that it could have stopped at the . Even the airport drop off , yeah , but now that you mentioned that , I think because I do give that's the only reason I gave it off but I understand what you're saying now because I was like , but you're right , I just um , didn't sit in with it , I just felt like there's just so much going on , you know .

Speaker 3 36:35

But yeah , I give it a 10 out of 10 because I do think the writing is good , the character development , here , is , is top tier , and the cinematography of the whole thing you know it's like they're in the woods , they're at home , the nighttime one , um , all the conflicts that they were having , um within themselves and then outside family I think was all good . I think the casting was really good , um , yeah , this movie didn't miss a beat and I'm so sad to know that not a lot of people know about this film I don't think it had like a big theatrical release .

Speaker 3 37:06

Yeah , it was um , distributed by blacker street media . I don't even know who that is , I've never even heard of it . And um , rotten tomatoes gets this a certified fresh to my surprise 83 and the audience score of 85 . Okay , so that's pretty good .

Speaker 4 37:23

The people that seen it know it's good , mrs doubtfire , troubled that he has little access to his children . Daniel hatches an elaborate plan with the help of his creative brother . He dresses as an older british woman and convinces his ex-wife , miranda , to hire him as a nanny . Quote-unquote . Mrs Doubtfire wins over the children and helps Daniel become a better parent . But when both Daniel and his nanny persona must meet different parties at the same restaurant , his secrets may be exposed .

Speaker 3 37:58

This movie is rated PG . It's considered a kids and family comedy . It's directed by Christopher Columbus , which I didn't realize was one of my favorites . He did Harry Potter . He did Harry Potter . He directed Home Alone 1 and 2 . He directed Stepmom . I used to love Stepmom watching it as a kid Because I liked Susan Sarandon . I liked that bitch . Respectfully Sarandon Bicentennial .

Speaker 3 38:27

Man , I liked watching that movie as a kid too . Christmas with the Cranks I watch . You know I don't watch a lot of Christmas movies , but that one , when I first watched it , I was like that's the shit right there . He also produced other stuff . Well , he directed the movie release of Rent . I don't know if you like that one , it's okay . He produced Night at the Museum , the first and two he directed . I Love you , beth Cooper . I wasn't a fan of that one .

Speaker 3 38:52

I've never seen it , don't bother . Okay , it also has three writers Randy Mayhem Singer , which they also wrote the Tooth Fairy . I went in the Chick Monks the Road Trip . I could see that it's also written by Leslie Dixon , who wrote Freaky Friday , also wrote Just Like Heaven , also wrote Hairspray , also wrote the Heartbreak Kids . I think that's the one with Ben Stiller that movie . I hate that movie . I do love Danny McBride , though that man is so under . I hate that movie . I do love Danny McBride , though that man is so underrated . I love that man . Um executively produced Gone Girl and screen wrote Overboard the 2018 version . She's my girl . Also written by Anne Fine , but I didn't really find anything much with her . Um . This movie was released in november of 1993 a long time ago um , I was born in 93 .

Speaker 3 39:55

Uh , box office gross was 219.2 million nice , and it's two hours and five minutes long . So we , we have the cast . We have Daniel slash , mrs Doubtfire played by Robin Williams , miranda is played by Sally Field , we have Stu played by Pierce Bronson We'll get into it . Lydia is played by Lisa Jacob , chris is played by Matthew Lawrence , natalie is played by Mara Wilson and Mr Lundy is played by Robert Lawrence . Natalie is played by Mara Wilson and Mr Lundy is played by Robert Prosky . Um , you know , I want to talk about Pierce Bronson real quick . Why , why Did you cast ? He don't even look good here . He doesn't ?

Speaker 3 40:40

There are some films where he's looking good .

Speaker 4 40:44

Not this one . Not this one .

Speaker 3 40:45

And this is where he's supposed to be in his prime right . He's a younger guy , he looks good now , yeah , but what's he ? Do you remember him being an A guy at that time ?

Speaker 4 40:54

Well , he was James Bond At that time , I'm not sure when , but he was supposed to be like yeah , like the sex symbol , the hot guy .

Speaker 3 41:07

I was so upset with this casting choice I googled who other hot guys were in 93 you tell me , okay , if you could see anybody else playing stew .

Speaker 3 41:14

Okay , even if they changed his role , all right , even if they change , because let's take the film forgetting sarah marshall , for example russell brand's character wasn't supposed to be this like rock star hot shit guy when they wrote it . It't supposed to be this rockstar hot shit guy when they wrote it it was supposed to be a quiet writer type of a dude . Sometimes they change the roles . We know that . Even if they change the character , these are some of the hottest guys in 93 . Let's do a flashback .

Speaker 4 41:40

I closed my eyes .

Speaker 3 41:53

Leonardo DiCaprio . I think he would have been too , too young . Yeah , patrick swayze . Oh , that's a good one , right , even if he plays the dumb guy . Yeah , he plays like the the asshole the hot asshole . Yep , boom . And then I would have made more sense for me to for mrs delphire slash daniel to feel threatened .

Speaker 4 42:08

Yeah , you know , because this is , this is around his kids yeah keanu oh , okay , well , he would have been young too , right , 93 , you're right , but I feel like he could have pulled it off . You know just yeah , and this white guy .

Speaker 3 42:21

Yeah , he's a sweet guy . He's a little younger but he's nice .

Speaker 4 42:25

He seems harmless , like I can see keanu playing that yeah brad pitt , okay , maybe , maybe , I think he's too dominating to be honest yeah , I think you can't . Yeah , you can't have brad pitt and robin williams together , because it's like too much , too much star power there can , only be one can only be one tom cruise no why not no ? I hate tom cruise . No , I have no idea .

Speaker 3 42:54

Next , he's too short , get out of here he was the dude for so long though I don't know what it was and katie holmes wanted him for so long . And then when , when , she was like I've always wanted you I was like what my mom was a Tom Cruise fan if I debated it . Next . So you see what I mean . Like I don't know , it looks like Patrick Swayze .

Speaker 4 43:13

Patrick Swayze for the win For the win .

Speaker 3 43:15

It should have been him . It should have been him because I was not feeling , I don't think he was funny . I he obviously can tell that Mrs Doubtfire don't like him . You know what ? He never said anything .

Speaker 4 43:28

He just took it . I didn't like it .

Speaker 3 43:31

Yeah , they should have bickered more . I think it would have been more comedic if he did . It's just like him against his old lady . Yeah .

Speaker 4 43:38

That's what I think . And then now you mentioned Patrick Swayze . He was on Saturday Night Live and he was funny .

Speaker 3 43:45

Oh my God , swasey . He was on saturday night live and he was funny . Oh my god , that man can do anything yeah rest in peace , mr swasey come back come back . Yeah , come on the ground . It was , yeah , so I don't know . I don't know what happened there . Maybe he wasn't available , maybe that was the only person available , I don't fucking know , but I was very . He's not killing it , sorry , mr brunson . So this movie , you know , obviously is about like parent separation .

Speaker 3 44:05

You got the kids , it's a comedy I felt like they were trying , um to make the mom yeah the villain . She is the villain in my eyes in your eyes . Okay , so this is what I caught . So I feel I know in the beginning she doesn't let the dad babysit the kids , right ?

Speaker 4 44:22

and then I think it starts before then . Before then she's at work and then she hears that her ex-boyfriend is coming into town and then she goes home and she's like I want a divorce . I'm like this bitch , it's a different time .

Speaker 3 44:36

I'm just kidding . She looks like a success . Well , she is a successful woman yeah that's what they talk about right she works too much , house is always a mess .

Speaker 3 44:43

he was always in and out of work , yeah . And I just kind of feel like , well , if you're taking on all the work , you're working , you're bringing in the money , like why does it matter that he's in and out of work ? Then , yeah , he should be the house dad , yeah . And so , yeah , she works too many hours . She doesn't let the dad babysit the kids . He pick , picks up , she picks up the kids early and she drops them off one hour late .

Speaker 4 45:11

So I was like and then how stupid . And she was like , oh , and she picks the kids up early . She's like , well , I still need to go to the bank and here . And I'm like it's , I didn't get that so much easier to go by yourself . Why would you want to take your kids ?

Speaker 3 45:23

to the bank , acting like yeah , I was like it's just , this is the control portion of the parent separation yeah , like they're trying to control the kids as a play in their fucking kids .

Speaker 3 45:33

But I felt like this is this when I started seeing all that this is obviously from the writing of a man , which it was not . Oh , no , it's not . No , leslie dixon , I think , is a woman and , and fine , that sounds like a woman too , but I couldn't find anything with her . So randy mayhem singer I mean , randy's a dude's name , I'm assuming it's a dude um , so I was really surprised .

Speaker 3 45:58

I was like , you know , this sounds like the complaints and the perspective of a male to say all of this stuff , because in my eyes and you brought this up why couldn't he do everything he did , as mrs Dallaire , when he was married ? Yeah , I feel like it's the main point of the thing . Like all of these things when I don't know if your parents had ever gotten separated when your kids , but when , when my parents got separated , as when I was a kid , it was a lot of that like , oh , now you want to show up and prove , and then when we get back together , it's the same thing . Yeah , so it's like that's a real problem as a person that experienced that . It's like villainizing the female when the real problem is the man , the dad's not being as present so that's just .

Speaker 3 46:40

I mean , I I felt like they were intentionally trying to villainize her , but you really thought . I think she's a villain because she was trying to get it on with new dude .

Speaker 4 46:47

Well , yeah , because I thought they were trying to villainize Stu , like , because that's you know , Daniel , he's all like jealous of Stu and he's like , oh , like , screw this guy or whatever . But I'm like Stu is not doing anything , like he's just , you know , he knows nothing of whatever's going on . But it's really the mom miranda , she's , she's not even divorced yet , she's already trying to bang stew and you gotta send the signal that she's ready to move on yeah , and I'm like dude , focus on your kids , like both of you , focus , focus on your kids .

Speaker 4 47:20

You're not even divorced and she's like , oh , trying to get the babysitter , like we're gonna go out tonight , can you stay late ? All of a sudden she's trying to get late you know what .

Speaker 3 47:30

You bring up a good point , cause I was coming from like he's not enough of a present father and women need to get laid too . But you're right , you're right and she's doing it . Wrong is what's happening . And so , yeah , why couldn't Mrs Doubt do everything beforehand ? Yeah , you had a dudes .

Speaker 4 47:50

Get out here , get too comfortable and then if she had like , okay , she could afford to hire mrs doubtfire , like if they were married and the house was dirty , like you couldn't hire a maid , like before and so and we'll get into this the more that we talk about the why's .

Speaker 3 48:08

So why didn't he just say no to going to the dinner ? Yes , another possible resolution , right , yes , because I thought the same thing . I was like okay , so you couldn't say no . Like you said no , it sounds like you've probably haven't put your family first a lot , but maybe because he's trying to put on this new persona . Mrs delphi , you can't say no , you've been lying this whole time . Yeah , she can make one more lie .

Speaker 4 48:33

And then you know that her new boyfriend's it's like her birthday dinner . Her new boyfriend's gonna be there . Why would you want to go ? It makes no sense . Yeah , that's creepy . And then I think for the movie , like I think it would have been funnier if he would have just said no . And he goes on his like job interview and there happened to be at the same restaurant and he's trying to like say how responsible or reliable he is trying to get this job and then his ex-wife is like overhearing everything and she's gonna be like no , you're not , or or how the how the guy interviewing him was trying to like trying to bro out and stuff . And then you're trying to drink and get drunk with this guy and then your little daughter's right here like hey dad , like yeah , it was a mess dude .

Speaker 3 49:17

Come on , think people think yeah , I don't I wasn't falling for it , and then he only had to wait three months yes , oh my god I was like you know , realistically it would

Missed Opportunities and Simple Solutions

Speaker 3 49:30

be like , I don't know , maybe not until you resolve it , however long that fucking takes , yeah , so I think that this was just like a comedy technique that they were doing , where it's just like because I feel that too , like it was just a lot of why didn't you just do this ? Why didn't you just do that ? A lot of like situational comedy , and I don't know if this movie is just a movie of its time , that I wasn't feeling it , or maybe I'm just um , that's not my type of comedy . I'm trying to think , like , because there are some situational comedies that I think are funny . I think a lot of sitcoms , yeah , situational comedies , they're more shows than it is of a film .

Speaker 3 50:12

I feel like I don't know if it just didn't execute well in that way , but I think that , yeah , a lot of these problems had very simple yeah simple solution yeah , that I think they were avoiding in order to make the comedy and I think it just wasn't executing it for me because it just it did leave a lot of like I don't know , and I agree with you as far as , like the whole dinner thing , like they could have changed it to make it more funny , like it was just like weirdly awkward yeah so I mean , I still found it funny , like it's still a funny movie , but like when I was watching it I I was yeah like why didn't he do this , why didn't he do that ?

Speaker 3 50:52

Yeah , I mean , I feel like it started off strong , like you're watching a Robin Williams movie . It starts off strong , him singing , setting the fun tone of the film . But I was like thrown off by the simple solutions that can be found here . And then Pierce Bronson he kept taking me out of it . I was like I don't know , is your tan not good again ? The haircut it's not good because I feel like Sally Fields looked older than I . Don't know if it's because I've always known . I don't know if I've only ever seen older .

Speaker 1 51:25

Sally Fields . I don't remember seeing one film where she's young , so like I don't know if it's because I've always known , I don't know if I've only ever seen older Sally Fields .

Speaker 3 51:27

So you know , like I don't remember seeing one film where she's young . So like I can't even .

Speaker 4 51:31

I was trying to figure . I'm like why does she look so old ? I was like is it the hair , is it the clothes ? The earrings .

Speaker 3 51:37

I feel like those big earrings make people look older too , Some of her outfits were cute though .

Speaker 4 51:52

So I'm like why does she look old ? She's old . I was like I don't know . I mean , do you like her being casted ? I think , yeah , I think she plays it well . The uptight , uh no fun mom .

Speaker 3 51:56

I hate taking it here , but I wish that they would have picked someone cuter , I don't know , but even because you're you're talking about looking old and I felt like , yeah , just she looks older , he looks older . I don't know .

Speaker 4 52:10

Maybe it made it appropriate because the kids were teenagers one of them was a teenager and one was like almost what did you think about , um , when miranda and mrs doubtfire have their heart to heart and she's explaining like how sad she felt in her marriage and she would cry at night ?

Speaker 3 52:28

I , I felt uncomfortable because it's the dad . Yeah , you know , I'm just like , ah , so weird . It's almost like , because then I start thinking about how do you come back from that ? Like you know , it's like your dad , but not your dad . Your dad wants to spend this much time with you and obviously the kids want to be with him too . Yeah , so , um , because you're talking about with um , with the daughter , right ?

Speaker 3 52:52

no with the mom , oh , about the whole marriage yeah that's awkward , but again it goes back to like you couldn't say all of that before yeah type of stuff . Um , because even when she does a whole repeat , like it was you the whole time , the whole time , like she's just going by yeah after all the times , the sex too right , the sex talks oh yeah , she's like oh , it was fine it was fine . I was like , oh which , I was like that girl talk um , so I just found it like uncomfortable .

Speaker 3 53:26

But that's the whole point , right to make it comedic like the violation right yeah , um , and I feel like for him it was like for his own gain too , so I think it's kind of like he's he's trying to come around . I hate it where it takes something like this for someone to come around yeah and that's .

Speaker 3 53:46

That's the vibe that I got . But the movie starts off fast that way , though , like they don't show , they tell , yeah , like how many to how ? How long they've been having this problem and we're just catching the end of it . You know what I mean . So to me it gave that vibe like oh , you've had chances , but now you want to dress up as someone else and like proclaim and give all your advice about marriage and all this shit . Yeah , you know , because they did make it . They try to make it seem like it's a long-going problem , but they also try to make it seem like like rushed as well , but I don't know if it was just like rushed for him . Does that make sense ?

Speaker 4 54:19

yeah , but I feel like that's how guys are , like a girl in the relationship will be unhappy for a long time and she's like okay , like I'm done with this , and then the guys will be like what , so sudden , I'm like what ?

Speaker 3 54:31

that's what I'm saying like now you want to talk , now you want to be sensitive , now you want to pull up and show up and do all these things for your kids and yada yada , and it's kind of like , well , again it's for your own . It's how I felt about it .

Speaker 4 54:45

I don't know if you felt any other type of way . Well , again , I was , yeah , like why couldn't they just have this conversation when they were themselves ?

Speaker 3 54:52

You have to be someone else .

Speaker 4 54:54

Yeah , I don't know , but I thought it was funny too that he was getting hit on on the bus Always . I was like , no matter how old , you , always going to be getting hit on . Yep , always Big titties , big titties out .

Speaker 3 55:07

I know Big titties . Now , he knows .

Speaker 4 55:12

Oh , hilarious All

Rating and Reviewing Both Films

Speaker 4 55:16

right everyone .

Speaker 3 55:17

Now it's time for our newest segment Popcorn or Colonel .

Speaker 4 55:21

All right . So is this a popcorn or a colonel ?

Speaker 3 55:24

We're going to see so main characters . I mean , can we agree ? It's Robin and Sally . Yes , so Daniel and Miranda Are they relatable ? I thought so . Yeah , I mean it's just like you said , right , he just got the clue now .

Speaker 4 55:39

Yeah .

Speaker 3 55:40

Are they attractive ? No , no , they're not , are they funny ?

Speaker 4 55:46

Yeah it no . No , they're not . Are they funny ? Yeah , well , it's a comedy . Yeah , robin williams is funny are they charming ?

Speaker 3 55:53

I think robin himself has a charm factor . Yeah , he does , and it comes through and I don't know what it is . I don't know if it's because he's a dad , he came through for me . Do they invoke sympathy or empathy ?

Speaker 4 56:07

Yeah , I think definitely his speech at the court scene at the end . Yeah . Yeah , I was invoked .

Speaker 3 56:15

Now , regarding the movie and the plot , are there stakes ?

Speaker 4 56:19

I'm going to say no , he just had to wait three months .

Speaker 3 56:28

There were no stakes . I think in his mind , which he , I think he displayed very well , is this black and white that his kids and his family were gonna leave him and pierce bronson was gonna be banging sally field and they're gonna have new kids and he's gonna be completely edged out and I bought it so I was like , yeah , his whole life is at stake . I bought it . Are the characters in jeopardy ?

Speaker 4 56:49

I think the kids maybe going through the divorce situation .

Speaker 3 56:53

That's hard yeah is the conflict interesting ? Yeah , is the topic relevant because I agree with relevant you think it's relevant too ? Yeah I think it's relevant too , and I thought the conflict was interesting too . It's looking like you think it's relevant too . Yeah , I think it's relevant too , and I thought the conflict was interesting too . It's looking like a popcorn girl .

Speaker 4 57:09

Mm-hmm , it's a popcorn Pass . That Pass that movie round the Bechdel Test .

Speaker 3 57:19

What does this do on the Bechdel Test ?

Speaker 4 57:22

Ooh , unfortunately this one fails .

Speaker 3 57:26

oh unfortunately this one fails . I was thinking it was gonna pass , because at least he has a daughter , but there's no , he's talking about but the son is always with them .

Speaker 4 57:35

It's always the three kids and then mrs doubtfire , don't count yeah , so yeah , there's scenes where mir Miranda is talking to Mrs Doubtfire , but he's really a man , yeah . So womp , womp , I see that Okay .

Speaker 3 57:50

So ratings , ratings , ratings . So Tomato Meter gives this a 70% out of 54 reviews . It has an audience score of over 250,000 ratings of 77 as well . What do you rate this film ?

Speaker 4 58:06

I'm a little torn because I feel like if you just turn your brain off and watch it , it's a funny movie . Yes , that's how . I feel , but then once I started really like thinking about it , then I , you know , start finding the flaws and everything but so I give it an 8 out of 10 you're more generous than I thought it was gonna be nostalgic for you , to be honest , because I know you .

Speaker 3 58:29

Oh yeah , with robin , yeah , so I think that , um , I give this a 6 out of 10 because I think like , yeah , I was engaged in watching it and again , the questions right . So I think the plot is good . I think it was just the writing . They're just overly doing it with the situational comedy that had simple solutions and it kept taking me out of there you know what I mean , it was like cheap laughs I feel like his boobs are on fire yeah , you know what I mean .

Speaker 3 58:55

And then the cake face . You know what I mean . It's funny . It's funny . The cake face was funnier to me than the boob . The boob one no , you know what .

Speaker 3 59:04

Both of them were funnier to me than the fucking mask flying out of the fucking window . I was like okay , I guess . And then it got run over . I was like no , there's just no way . There's no way . I think , minus pierce , yeah , like the casting was the kid casting was great . Oh yeah , the kids are really good , of course . And then matthew lawrence he came out in the hot chick . So I was like he's a hott , hot Chick . I was like he's a hottie . He came out on Disney .

Speaker 3 59:28

Channel . He was a hottie . Lisa played Linda . She did a really good job of being the upset daughter . I think there's always one kid that's like fuck this , he's calling it out you know what I mean . It is just not nostalgic . For me , it is a movie of its time , unfortunately .

Speaker 4 59:49

I would have given it more points if it was at least quotable .

Speaker 3 59:51

You don't what hello ? That doesn't work . Who said that ? Now ?

Speaker 4 59:55

we still quote white chicks now , more than we do , mrs delfire when they're at the pool and he throws , like the lemon at the guy and he's oh , it was a run by fruity . Do you say that ? Do you say that be honest ? But I can quote it oh , god , okay , all right .

Speaker 3 1:00:10

Well then it's not quotable to me because I'm like , I have not , I will not like .

Speaker 4 1:00:14

If people say it to me , I'm obviously not getting it and I feel , like on tiktok the , when she's like it was you the whole time , the whole time .

Speaker 3 1:00:22

Oh yeah , that one's going around , that one's going around and I have a thing for people saying the same line over and over again .

Speaker 4 1:00:27

I think she executed yeah , she did a really good every time she said it was a new .

Speaker 3 1:00:32

You could see it in her face and hear it in the tone of her voice a new realization every single time . So she executed it and I'm assuming that's why they casted her . Yeah , for that one monologue . That one monologue . It was good .