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Rockin' Nachos: A Jack Black Double Feature
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Crack open the time capsule and journey back with us as we dust off this unreleased gem exploring the charismatic genius of Jack Black through two of his most defining roles. School of Rock and Nacho Libre aren't just laugh-out-loud comedies – they're rebellious manifestos against the suffocating boredom of conventional adulthood.
Jack Black's magnetism is undeniable. We dive deep into why everyone either wants him as their dad or their partner, analyzing his unique ability to fully commit to characters while maintaining an authentic warmth that radiates through the screen. There's something magical about how he embodies childlike enthusiasm without compromising his adult capabilities.
School of Rock's Dewey Finn and Nacho Libre's Ignacio represent two sides of the same coin – men who refuse to surrender their passions to societal expectations. We unpack how both films challenge established systems (education and religion) by questioning why following rules means abandoning joy. Through exploring standout scenes like the classroom jam session where Dewey transforms students' insecurities into strengths, or Nacho's eagle egg consumption (filmed with vanilla pudding!), we celebrate Black's physical comedy prowess and emotional intelligence.
The conversation takes fascinating turns into deeper territory: why adults impose limits on children's dreams, how institutions resist change, and what it means to pursue passion in a world demanding conformity. We even discover Nacho Libre's surprising true story inspiration – a real Mexican priest who wrestled for 23 years to support his orphanage.
Whether you're a longtime Jack Black fan or discovering these films for the first time, this episode offers fresh perspectives on how his characters challenge us to live more authentically. Join us for this celebration of two films that remind us growing up doesn't mean growing boring. What's your favorite Jack Black moment?
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Welcome to Season 2 Rewind
Speaker 1Welcome to Season 2 of the Double Feature Podcast . Today we're opening up the time capsule . We'll be enjoying one of our unreleased episodes from a few years ago . Think of it as a conversation frozen in time . Buckle up and get ready to time travel in three , two , one .
Jack Black: Everyone's Favorite Dad
Speaker 2We are going to have a special spotlight episode of multi-talented the Jack Black .
Speaker 3Everyone . They wish he was their father , jack Black .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , before we jump into his background . When do you remember ? Do you remember a significant point in your life where you were like I want him to be my dad ?
Speaker 3I never thought that I wanted him to be my dad . I always thought it must be so fun to be his wife . Yeah , you never thought that .
Speaker 2Well , now watching the movies again , like when I watched Nacho Libre . No , when I watched School of Rock , even my dad was entertained by him and I was like man I want to , I think , seeing him interact with the kids , because I was a kid at the time like man , I want him to be my dad . And then I seen him in Nacho Libre and I was like man this dude's eating beans and I really want him to be my dad no-transcript .
Speaker 3And I think there was an interview where he was playing a children's toy saxophone thing .
Speaker 2Oh yeah that little playmate toy ?
Speaker 3Yeah , some late night show yeah , and I was just like it would be so cool to be married to him and I don't know .
Speaker 2To me it seems like he doesn't do drugs , or he right from what I know , he doesn't have a drinking problem and I was like he's just like so happy I know , and it's funny , just and I gotta admit I'm critical I look at his like little , his little gut , his little belly , and I'm like that doesn't look like an alcoholic belly like . Because you're saying like I've , never , I've never , seen or heard him like do drugs , either smoking weed yeah I mean I guess , never mind , then , right the drugs yeah that kelly sober .
Speaker 2But yeah , straight up , cool guy . I don't know any person that is not a fan to be , honest , everyone likes him or is like
Jack's Early Career and Background
Speaker 2cool with him , you know . So a little background . On mr jack black uh , he was born here in santa monica . I thought he was like a new yorker maybe new yorker born coming over here .
Speaker 2Um , he's from the oc . He grew up . He grew up a lot in the oc after that . Um , I thought he broke out as an adult , but he actually started as a teenager doing commercials . I don't remember any growing up .
Speaker 3I didn't know , know that .
Speaker 2I did know that he went to UCLA because that was one of the colleges I was looking into for theater , because they have a theater troupe there . That's where he met Tim Robbins . I didn't know that I was like oh so he was friends with Tim Robbins and he ended up getting cast in Bob Roberts . Jack Black did .
Speaker 3I've never heard of that project .
Speaker 2I don't know if you knew um , so that kind of like really like I feel like kicked it off a lot of people then , because then he started getting booked for , like the x-files , the cable guy david cross and the bob odenkirk sketch comedy program called mr show on hbo , interesting and and that's where , like where him and his friend , like comment kyle glass , ended up forming tenacious d , which I think if you know jack black , like you know tenacious d and you might know you might not know kyle glass's name , but you definitely know his face right I was , there was another interview where , like some people had won concert tickets for like a mystery band or whatever , and it was like I guess there was another interview where , like some people had won concert tickets for like a mystery band or whatever , and it was like I guess it was like a really big , like stadium or arena or whatever .
Speaker 3So I guess the people were like , oh , do you think it's the beatles or the rolling stones or something ? And then hsd comes out and then he was saying like , oh , the crowd was so mad .
Speaker 2I would be devastated . But that's like so much part of his charm , right , like the confidence . Yeah , you know , I didn't watch his show growing up , the show that he had on HBO , tenacious D . We watched it recently . Um , we watched it recently and I was like , as a person that has done theater in high school and as a young adult , I would be probably so annoyed by jack black , but it's it he . He knows the boundary of committing to
School of Rock: Breaking Down the Film
Speaker 2the character and I feel like not annoyingly overdo it . I don't know if it's the editing that they do that makes it that way , but I feel like , for example , no disrespect , people will argue that marlon wayans is over the top I think yeah , sometimes , and I don't know like I I can't really compare the two .
Speaker 2I know that they both have very strong confidence and commitment , but sometimes I ask like is the like and the hate of these two ? Is it racial ? You know what I'm saying . Yeah , Like , how is it that they have similar commitment levels , but one is more adored ? So to speak . But there's a lot of fans of Marlon Wayans Like he has like a huge following . Yeah , fucking mad talented .
Speaker 3I didn't realize he did stand-up comedy too . Oh , I know .
Speaker 2Their whole family is gifted girl . Yeah , their whole family . I'm like , wow , that's so special , right .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2It's one thing to be a family in show business . It's another thing that your whole family is talented in comedy Like that's such a gift . But anyway , after his tenacious DHBO hit , then he started booking High Fidelity , shallow how , orange County , and then led him to the School of Rock , and those are the films that we will be honoring today . It will be School of Rock and Nacho Libre hitting it off with School of Rock .
Speaker 3Overly enthusiastic guitarist Dewey Finn gets thrown out of his bar band and finds himself in desperate need of work . Posing as a substitute music teacher at an elite private elementary school , he exposes his students to the hard rock gods he idolizes and emulates , much to the dismay of the uptight principal as he gets his privilege and precocious charges in touch with their inner rock and roll animals . He imagines redemption at a local Battle of the Bands .
Speaker 2This movie was released in 2003 . It's rated PG-13 for some rude humor , some drug references . Of course it's considered a comedy . It's running time is an hour and 48 minutes . It's directed by Richard Linklater . Um , you guys might know him as he directed and also wrote days and confused the 1993 film suburbia 1996 . I don't think so . It had to be early , I thought it was too . This is why it's important to know the year . He played um , a cool spy in the spy kids movie um , and he also did bad news bears in 2005 . Oh , that one's the one with burt reynolds , that's angelina jolie's uh ex ex .
Speaker 3What's his name ?
Speaker 2billy bob . Oh , I'm sorry . I said burt re Reynolds . I'm sorry . Yeah , you're right , billy Bob . Sorry that I totally missed . Sorry , no disrespect , and it was written by Mike White , who he plays Ned Schneably . Ned Schneably .
Speaker 2My bad In the film . He also wrote and produced Nacho Libre . Oh cool , he wrote the Emoji movie . He wrote Pitch Perfect 3 did not see that one coming . I didn't even see that one . I know I'm like there's a third one . He stopped at two . Yeah , two's . Enough of that three is a crowd and he also wrote Despicable Me 4 that's due to come out next year , I'm sorry , 2024 . 2024 . Okay , the budget for this film was $35 million and it grossed domestically at estimated $81 million .
Speaker 3I think it spinned off a TV show also .
Speaker 2Oh it did . Yeah , good for them . I mean , I kept looking up the School of Rock and an actual school came up on the Googles . Just drive . This film stars Jack Black as Dewey , mike White as Ned Schneebly , Joan Cusack as Principal Mullins , sarah Silverman as Patty DeMarco , miranda Cosgrove as Summer head groupie , joey Gatos as Zach and Miriam Hassan as Tamika . So let's just jump right in because this movie was your pick . Jump right in because this movie was , uh , your pick . But there's so many things going on in this film that I think you can't really tell by the cover . The cover just it's like what is it like ? A mockery of ? Like rolling ? What is it ?
Speaker 2like a rolling stone magazine almost , and you could definitely tell it's a comedy . But this movie has layers . Let's kick it off with the music , using music to express emotion yeah , there was um .
Speaker 3There's a lot of scenes in the movie where you could just tell the character dewey just loves playing music . There was um the kids . This is already when he's like in the classroom and the kids , they're developing their scheme . Oh , it's when they get signed up for Battle of the Bands and they go back to the classroom and they're all excited and happy and then he's just sitting at the desk like strumming his guitar and not really saying anything and you could just tell he's just happy playing music .
Speaker 3Yeah just happy playing music , yeah . And then there was the other scene where , um he , he overhears . Uh , who is it ? Zach , or , yeah , the guitarist , the guitarist he always hears , he overhears zach's dad , like scolding him yeah before school . So then um , dewey's , you know , begins his class lesson and he's just like yeah , so like what do we say to bullies ? And he gets the students to like , express themselves , and then they write a song together Perfect , beautiful it was .
Speaker 2It was such a pretty beautiful scene . It was a heartwarming scene because it's like man , if only and I get it , everyone's different , but if that was a missed opportunity for the father to get close to his son , yeah , but if that was a missed opportunity for the father to get close to his son , yeah . I feel like in this dynamic where the dad is kind of being perceived as the bully , because I think people have different perceptions about it , right , yeah , some people will think we'll see that he's a dad just preparing his son for the world , right , but I , yeah , I see that too . But I , yeah , I see that too . I also feel like , speaking of expression , he also encourages confidence and demonstrates it too . You know , the kids are able to be vulnerable and trust him . You know , lawrence , I love Lawrence .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2She's just a little cutie , little awkward cutie , but you know he approaches Dewey about not being cool . Yeah , and I love the honesty in children .
Speaker 2If you give them , if you give them the opportunity and they trust you , they will be honest with you yeah and I think the writing and the way he I mean I feel like all the kids that'll get a kick-ass job in the acting here um just saying like I'm not cool , I'm not cool , and he just tells them straight up like of course you're cool , man , you know um tamika about her weight .
Speaker 3Yeah , that she was um , she was embarrassed , she didn't want to sing because she was fat . And and I think it's a natural reaction for adults to be like , no , you're not fat , but he's um , yeah , or you know as just , but yeah , he never . He never denies it . He never denies it . He just says you know what ? I'm fat too . And look how like everyone loves me .
Speaker 2The ladies love me because I'm sexy and he just , you know , he's able to speak forwardly about conversations that are hard to have for everyone , no matter at what age , and not poke fun at the situation , because he's not , which I think a lot of people do right , they're trying to talk about it , about poke fun at it , to make it light , but he's able to do it where he's serious about it and still be funny and um , and he demonstrates it too . You know , he shows it , he commits , and I think that I think that's another component of growing confidence in your kids .
Speaker 2Not just saying demonstrating and just like how you said , zach felt comfy enough to make a song with him for fun . No pressure , and we'll talk more about the topic later , about the kids versus the parents , and we'll talk more about the topic later about the kids versus the parents . Yeah , and I think another way that he instills , you know , expressing emotion is also when he apologizes to the kids for lying and stuff . You know so .
Speaker 3And then I think he was also really uh sweet with the principal too . Yeah , when they go out , and she's like you know , you're the first person to to hang out with me outside of school . And then she was like yeah , you know , I know what people think I'm not cool . I think she says that too , like I'm not cool and I'm uptight and whatever I'm a bitch yeah , literally saying yeah and then again he kind of I know I think he did tell her he's like I think you're cool , yeah , everyone thinks you're cool so I think he did , he lied to her .
Speaker 3Yeah , I was gonna say I don't know about her so much but you know what ?
Speaker 2at least there's a lot of other films that use what he did in a more malicious way , which is like getting them a little loose , a little tipsy um , and he I mean , I guess we're in an age now where we have to be grateful that it didn't go south right like in a different way which other films have to poke fun .
Speaker 2It was a different time , different era , but for this film to be in um 2003 , where a lot of films were still doing that , um , they chose not to go that route and just enough to like get to know her and and really just want to rock out and be in the band in the battle of the bends , you know . So I feel like , yeah , he used her , but it wasn't . It could have gone worse . Yeah , a different way , or I guess I should say I mean it still went pretty bad for everybody , right ?
Speaker 3yeah , what about uh patty , the character of patty ?
Speaker 2all right , I want everyone to chime in on this one do you ? Think patty was tripping on what she was saying about dewey or giving a hard time to ned , or was she in the right ?
Speaker 3I think she was .
Speaker 2She was right and she had a point , but she was being super annoying about it yeah , yeah , I agree , I think that she's in the right , but it's just too much to stay . Yeah , it's just one of those things where it's like and I'm sorry if this is not literally you , but if this is someone out there like people that get cheated on and then they're like chasing the hoes around , but they're still with the guy , so it's like it's like oh , it's just too much work to have it all . I mean like , at that point I think it would have been like just have her move out . Yeah , and just , I don't want to be a part-time girlfriend , but you know , you don't have to live with them and it's nice to see that the but the best friends kind of miss each other yeah , you know just like maybe halfway .
Speaker 3I'm never gonna get laid but it , it was just kind of weird because it seemed like the guy ned , like it seemed like he didn't really like patty I know he was , yeah , because he was like I'm never gonna get another girlfriend and um , so I don't know I think , I think this is like a classic Hollywood trope or a cliche right .
Speaker 2Where , like , the husband , doesn't like his job nor his wife nor his kids . He sticks around for the conformity of society , right ? Is that how you ?
Speaker 3say it .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I think that's what they were trying to convey , right , like he still wanted to be the sex god , sex symbol , the band . He just had to grow up . And I'm like who brainwashed you and this is the topic that you've mentioned before right , like , why do adults have to be so boring ?
Speaker 3Yeah , you don't have to be boring . You could go to work and then on your weekend , be a sex god Totally .
Speaker 2This is what we're doing this is what we're doing .
Speaker 3I mean , I don't know , just get it done . I don't know . But I don't know . I just thought her whole character was weird , like why did ? Why do you create this girlfriend who's so annoying and so like naggy and I don't even think she did anything for the plot , like she was the one who called the cops at the end , but um , like ned could have called the cops himself . Like I feel like the movie didn't even need her , like someone was just like I hate women , let me just write this annoying woman character I know and it's .
Speaker 2I think they were just trying to find a reason like how do we get this character , do we to become to get into this situation ? And that's how they set it up . But I mean , I guess they could have done without it , like Dewey would still answer the call and still be Ned , but then what would give Dewey the pressure to show up with
School of Rock: Standout Scenes
Speaker 2the rent ? Because Ned doesn't . Really I don't think he has a problem paying the rent . To be honest , at least I don't think he's reached the point where Patty obviously is .
Speaker 2You know what I mean .
Speaker 3Well , they could have just been like ned could have ran out of money and we could have been like , hey , like I already covered you for like the past three months or whatever , like I really need you to pay some rent . Yeah , I guess that's true .
Speaker 2Now you bring up a good point . Another case of the unnecessary yeah character and I guess , well , she's the only comic in the thing , right ? I didn't see that Jack Black was an actual comic . I know he's a comedic actor , but I didn't get any of that . Did you watch this film as a child ?
Speaker 3I think I was 13 when it came out . Yeah . So I think I saw it when it came out . Yeah , so I saw it . I think I saw it when I was like yeah , a teenager Did you ?
Speaker 2feel any difference in perspective watching it as a kid versus watching it as an adult now .
Speaker 3I thought , well , I understood more of the jokes . There was like adult jokes that when they go to they sign up for battle of the bands and they're like , oh , where did that kid go ? And they're like , oh , he's in a van , some stranger , some stranger . So he went to go see some guy's van , I know right I felt like as a kid .
Speaker 2I like this movie so cool teacher he was trustworthy , um , and I really felt the pressure that the kids were under like . It really reminded me of how awkward and uncomfortable and as a kid , I felt very much already . I I couldn't put this word to it at that time , but now , as an adult , it's how I felt controlled and I don't know if it's because I'm a girl and in our culture , in the mexican or latine culture it's like that right protect the girls , but I feel , I feel at that age , yeah , very much controlled , like even my dad wanted me to like comb my hair all the time and I rebelled on that .
Speaker 2Just to have a sense of what's the word Self , self or autonomy . Yeah , yeah . And then I just like looking at these kids because you know , like you said , zach is under the pressure , summer has to be under the pressure because she's like skyrocketing , yeah , her whole potential . She's like what do you call it ?
Speaker 3She's peaking already what is it elementary ?
Speaker 2they're like in fourth grade yeah , like this bitch is like already fucking yeah , um .
Speaker 3Well , it's funny because I was watching this movie with a kid , so it was just funny to see what the you know what makes a kid laugh , and it was like jack black's , like facial expressions or he's like moving , wiggling his eyebrows around Classic and like that's making little kids , you know , laugh . Physical comedy .
Speaker 2The physical comedy of it . That makes sense because it's kind of like that is comedy for kids . They're not at a maturity level to get all the jokes that are thought out . You know what ?
Speaker 3I mean , it's always like clown comedy , physical comedy , what is that called slapstick , yeah , comedy there was another joke at the end , when all the parents find out and he's like , he's like oh , your , your kids have touched me and I've touched them too oh , my god , I know every single time , right , every single time .
Speaker 2So that's how I felt as a kid and as an adult I realize now like he's just an immature adult . Yeah , um , it is sad to I feel like guilty for having that perspective , because we live in an age where , with the internet , where the internet , so many things thrive on the internet , like you can , depending what type of job you're in , and have a very nice , comfy lifestyle working a remote job in the comfort of your home yeah you know it doesn't have to be that way anymore .
Speaker 2And and adult pressures . Because miss uh , principal mullins is under so much pressure as an adult and it's like how did we get here ? We went from having pressure from our parents and then having pressure as an adult and it's like how did we get here ? We went from having pressure from our parents and then having pressure as an adult from work and other parents . The parents don't stop for principal mullet .
Speaker 3She's multiplied her parents yeah , yeah , um , it's sad , sad to say , but as an adult I'm like dewey , get your act together , yeah . And then I know I felt bad for him when he's on the phone trying to sell a guitar and they're like trying to lowball him and he's like this is the same guitar that , like Jimi Hendrix played .
Speaker 2Been there , girl . I have to go on the pawn shops as a teenager trying to sell my instruments Because I couldn't be self-taught playing an instrument . I was like I can't . I couldn't be self-taught playing an instrument . I was like I can't . It's too hard , the commitment to it is too hard . And because I'm not an athlete or do anything like I guess , with my body , like an athlete does , I feel like sometimes , you know , those muscles aren't sharpened and I feel like I don't know my own body . So the awkwardness of playing a guitar is like so robotic and stiff for me . It made me , it got me out of my comfort zone . So whenever I see people here , see people like , oh , I'm a self-taught , anything . I'm like , oh my god , especially with something that's physical , like becoming a musician yeah , that's crazy . Do you have a standout scene ?
Speaker 3um , I do . It's when he's . He says he's in the class and he's like okay , I have , I wrote a song for battle of the bands . And then they're like okay , let's hear it . So then it's you know , jack black . He's standing in front of the classroom and the cat , the camera , is like zoomed in on him and he starts like singing the song he wrote about paying the rent . But then he's like okay , and that's when you come in with the drum solo , and then he keeps singing and then the camera is like zooming out so it's getting wider and wider . And then he's like that's where you come in with the background um , singers , you're gonna do some ooh la la's and then , and then the camera keeps zooming out and he's like and then you hit the fog , and so it was like him , you know writing his song .
Speaker 2But then he was like including the kids yeah , in it directing yeah and then so I was like , oh , it's a good way to show that he's like growing as a person yeah and then , like the camera ain't too like it starts off small and it gets bigger right , and I'm so happy to hear you say that in in terms of like the angles , because I feel like sometimes I bring up the angles and you're like I didn't notice . They're like I think I was just like super zoned in the movie , you know . But I feel like that was a great display about how the system puts labels on us and everyone has a set of skills .
Speaker 2Like that's what they were showing , versus telling right like yeah , in one aspect to many of the patties in the world yeah , he's like a low-life scum freeloader yeah you know lowest of the low , like one lick away from being homeless practically you know what I mean um versus . Oh , you know , this person actually has skills of creativeness being a visionary and able to adapt , you know um , and even inspire , which I like . These are qualities of a leader .
Speaker 3Yeah , you know , and it's just like being kicked in the dirt because it's not following um , like the ladder of corporate or because it's not making a lot of money right which I feel like , as long as you get fed basic necessities , right yeah , and without kids , of course , yeah , but then that's hard too to like organize children , because they're all over the place .
Speaker 2Yeah , when people are like I want to be a teacher , I'm like , what ages ? Because I feel like every age is scary , you got the potty training people , the kids that don't wipe their butt . And then you got the mean pre-teens and the teens yeah , the hormonal teens . I'm like the psychological warfare dude , I'm just , and I gotta remind people when we hang with our younger generations , like when people get upset , like they're just immature remember , remember when we were that age , because I thought I knew everything under the sun too .
Speaker 2I thought that was hot shit . My standout scene is the obvious end performance . Yeah , that's a good one , but specifically the portion where it's jack black solo , because the angle is also following him like a concert almost because he's doing like this back what , what ? Is what was that ? A back ?
Speaker 3bend , yeah , and he's like on his knees and doing , getting into it .
Speaker 2He's , um , he's making love to the song , I guess someone would say , but it transitions to that into tamika's solo . Oh yeah , and her solo is the bomb , obviously . But and then there's another clip . It's this specific section where it starts off with his solo and then transitioning to tamika's solo and then transitioning to her family , like smiling , and I get teared up , like thinking about it , because I'm like they see her , yeah , and like I'm obviously not black I'm obviously mexican .
Speaker 2I'm brown but in a sense I related to her like watching the movie growing up , because I was the tallest like person in my classroom all the time . It wasn't until eighth grade that we got back from summer that I was like , oh my God , three people grew In two months . Three people grew and I was never a heavy um set person , like I think everybody is like according to the bmi system , everybody is overweight , right , um , and I think like all kids are like self-conscious of their body , even if they're thin , even if they're just a little pudgy . Um , but I she looks a little bit uncomfortable in her body , not because of herself per se , but because of judgment from others . So I related to that .
Speaker 3So I was like , oh , they see her yeah , that was nice , but I thought it was funny too and he was like naming all the kids and he's like you ham sandwich I know right , I was , I didn't give bad advice one time because I was thinking about how he was telling the kids to give up .
Speaker 2Oh , so I was like man , I was trying to think have I ever been in a tough spot ? And just give bad advice to the kids .
Speaker 3well , I know like a kid will come up to me and be like oh , they hit me and I'm like hit them back .
Speaker 2Okay . So that's one which I mean nowadays . I don't know if it's good or bad . Right , I stand by it . I didn't give bad advice but I gave , I guess , a morbid comment to a kid . Once I had a distant relative and we would see each other on and off . But one time I had seen a distant relative and we would see each other like on and off . But one time I had seen them , I brought a boyfriend at the time and then we broke up and then the next time I seen them I brought a new boyfriend at the time of that new time .
Speaker 2They were like this isn't the same boyfriend . What happened to the last boyfriend ? And I got nervous and I said he died and I walked away . Boyfriend , oh my god . And I got nervous and I said he died and I walked away and , um , I was like that was how dare you embarrass me . That was the only time that I can't remember . So what does this do ?
Speaker 2on the bechdahl test the bechd doll test , so unfortunately it fails listen , I was looking at the board of who was on there and I was like patty didn't say enough summer , for sure as hell . Didn't say no , principal mullins principal mullins , not enough .
Speaker 3It's just yeah , there's always guys in the scenes , there's a there was actually a good amount of female , you know adults and young girls but there's no scene with just two girls talking . And then there was a scene where the kids are talking about they're like walking in the hallway
Popcorn or Kernel: School of Rock
Speaker 3at school and they're talking about music and they're like , oh , you think the white stripes is good or whatever , but it's a boy and a girl talking and I was like that easily could have been two girls .
Speaker 2Seriously , yeah , missed the mark . All right , everyone . Now it's time for our newest segment , popcorn or Colonel . You know how sometimes we think we're just not the audience for this . Well , we turned it into a metric where we judge the accessibility of the movie .
Speaker 3Yeah . So we're going to look at the characters in the plot to see how relatable they are to a general audience or to a specific audience . So if we think the movie can relate to a lot of people , it's a popcorn so you could pass it around and share it with the whole family . But if it's for a more specific audience , then it's a kernel . Some people like it , some people spit it back .
Speaker 2Okay , so for Popcorn and Colonel , the main characters we are considering is Dewey , played by Jack Black , and Principal Mullins , played by John Cusack . Main characters , are they relatable ?
Speaker 3I say yes Because Dewey has his . I've been stressed out over the rant yeah , and then for Principal Mullins , I've been stressed out over the rent yeah , and then , for Principal Mullins , I've been stressed out at work . Yeah girl yeah .
Speaker 2Definitely Tight turnover rate everywhere right now . Are they attractive ? I'm scratching my head right now I'm like not , I'm going to say it , no , no , I'm going gonna say it no , no . I think that jack black definitely has , like attractive energy . Yeah , I mean he .
Speaker 2even principal mullin says like there's something about you that suits me and you know , I have a co-worker at work where she , she soothes me . So I'm like , can I touch you ? Like do you have a problem with being touched ? And she's like , what do you mean ? And so I put my palm on her arm and I just started like petting her almost so . I relate to principal mullins , but attractiveness no , not attractive .
Speaker 3I would say like what charisma which we're almost there .
Speaker 2Yeah , do you find them charming ? Oh , okay , there we go ?
Speaker 3that's the question .
Speaker 2Yes , they're charming I think so too .
Speaker 3There's something about principal mullins too , that she can , she thinks about everything and I , and I find that there's a sweetness to her hell yeah , there is .
Speaker 2I'm just kidding and it's funny because I always , when I think of joan cusack , I think of her in 16 candles she's in 16 candles . Yeah , she's one of the teenagers that goes , I think , to the dance or whatever , and she's like awkwardly tall with the braces and she comes . She's drinking at the water fountain that she has the her , her the shirt .
Speaker 3Is it like a bib ?
Speaker 2yeah , yeah she has like a knitted like girl with the dress on , but the dress is like you could lift up the dress and that's what she uses to wipe her face I always think about her in adam's family , part two oh , and she's the one of the best one of her best like performances ever , because she , she was good there . Yeah , she looked good there , oh yeah she did not here though do they invoke sympathy or empathy ?
Speaker 3that's a pickle , because on one hand I feel I do feel bad for Dewey , but at the other hand I'm like just get a job it's not that .
Speaker 2Listen , nobody wants to do it , but we all gotta do it , yeah , anywhere . Mcdonald's yeah , anything at all . Target Target yeah , they'll hire anybody . The grocery store get discounts on the grocery something yeah , mcdonald's yeah , trader Joe's Anything at all . Target Target yeah , they'll hire anybody . The grocery store Get discounts on the grocery store yeah , I mean , we've all been there , right ? Mm-hmm , I do feel a type of sympathy or empathy for them . I put yes because I feel like at times I have been both of them . Yeah , right , I have done some things by the book , like Principal Mullins , and it just made me miserable . It makes everyone miserable , I feel , unless you're like a person that wants to walk up the ladder . But even those people that I know personally fucking hate the process . Right .
Speaker 2Yeah , but I've also been like a Dewey Right . It's like , just let me just collect this unemployment check from the pandemic and just chill a little bit . Yeah , let me see what I can get my money on or get on that will produce money and live within my means , right ? So I mean I fell a little bit . Regarding the movie and the plot , are there stakes ?
Speaker 3I think more for the principal . Like you know she was .
Speaker 2I was like , oh , she's getting fired after this dude when she was like being trapped by all those parents she's like just one second . I I would she better than me girl , because being cornered I realize now that I have , among a lot of things , claustrophobia as well if I'm in traffic oh yeah like I feel like getting out of my car and ripping my clothes off because I feel so like that's going to help anything .
Speaker 3No , it might . Let's try it . You feeling a little clustered right now ? No , you sure , I'm sure .
Speaker 2But I just feel like you know her stakes were obvious . Yeah , Like you said , right , Like I probably would have fought my way out of that fucking .
Speaker 3And then she went back in the room and she was like your children are missing .
Speaker 2The police have been notified , like that's . I feel like he's at stake too , because now everything's shitting the fan and , like every time I watch this movie , I forget , like it's child abduction right , yeah , or kidnapping .
Speaker 3I was gonna say kidnapping .
Speaker 2Yeah , so yeah , the stakes are high , more than he realized . Yeah , are the characters in jeopardy , dewey and miss mullins ? Were they in jeopardy ?
Speaker 3I mean angry parents , girl , that's I . I put yes because I'm like angry parents , yeah , angry parents , and they had to private school , they have money . I was like , oh , she's getting sued , yeah , up the ass .
Speaker 2Yeah , and then Dewey's facing child abduction charges . Yeah , you know , is the conflict interesting and the conflict would be .
Speaker 3I felt like it's more like the arts versus money . Like Dewey just wanted to play music and then you have his roommate , the girlfriend , being like you need a real job yeah , you have a better view on that than I did and what do you think the conflict is ?
Speaker 2I guess I kind of see it . I guess I just seen that . You know he wants to have fun and live life , and how was that ? I'm sad that we live in a system that is like against that , that we're forced into a system that it's like . I get mad all the time . That water , we have to pay for water . Yeah , it's like water . You can't go more than three days without water .
Speaker 3We gotta pay for that , motherfucker it was funny because I remember I was telling my sister I was like , yeah , where can we pay like I'm in a water club ? We pay five dollars every month . I was like , yeah , where can we pay ? Like I'm in a water club , we pay $5 every month . And she was like water that you need to live H2O .
Speaker 2I was just like , yeah , oh , what See ? The people are waking up , girl , they're tricking us . They're like it's a club . She's probably talking shit about you . You don't even know . This bitch is in a club for water . But we , that's the like , that's the perspective that I seen it . So I was like , yeah , that conflict is interesting because we've all submitted against our own will and I don't think anybody likes it . We just all submit to it because if not , they'll kill us .
Speaker 2It happens in history all the time we riot what they call rioting , so they can use force , which is really just protesting and then they're spraying us with water . Yeah , god damn , you're wasteful . You're wasteful . That's our money tax money going into that water . Come on now . So yes , the conflict was interesting for me . What about you ? Yeah , I found it interesting all right . Now here's the big one , though is the topic relevant ?
Speaker 2follow your dreams , follow the money listen and it's , it's it's another tale as old as time . I feel like everyone has to reach that point , and I think it's just so much pressure . So so , yeah , I agree with you , the topic is fucking relevant . Yeah , I think so . This bitch is looking like a popcorn to me . Yeah , I think so . Alright , you guys stay tuned for the rating of this movie at the end of this episode . Up next for review Nacho Libre .
Nacho Libre: The True Story
Speaker 3Nacho , I couldn't resist .
Speaker 2See the power , the power of Jack Black .
Speaker 3Ignacio , or Nacho to his friends , works as a cook in a Mexican monastery where he grew up . The monastery is home to a host of orphans who Nacho cares for deeply , but there is not much money to feed them properly . Nacho decides to raise money for the children by moonlighting as a lucha libre wrestler with his partner Esclito Esqueleto Esqueleto . But since the church forbids lucha , Nacho must disguise his identity this movie was released in 2006 .
Speaker 2Rated pg for dialogue , crude humor and some rough action . Obviously it's comedy . It's directed by jared hess , who also wrote and directed nap Dynamite . Totally see that in here , I don't know if you've seen this one Don Verdon Verdeen , no , and Masterminds 2016 directed . I haven't heard of that one either . It's also written by Jared Hess and Mike White , as I mentioned earlier , who also did Pitch Perfect 3 and Despicable Me 4 coming out soon . Its budget was $35 million and it made an estimated of $81 million .
Speaker 3I was researching it and it said that it didn't do as well as I thought it was going to do .
Speaker 2I mean , napoleon Dynamite made what $44 . I would . I mean Napoleon Dynamite made what ? 44.5 million . So I'm sure that they were hoping for more , which I get . That . I totally get that . To be honest , this movie stars Jack Black , of course , as Nacho Ana de la Rewera I believe you say it as Sister Encarnacion . You have Hector Jimenez as Esqueleto and Cesar Gonzalez as Ramses . I'm so happy we included him in there . So a little back story on this . For those of you that may not know , this is based on the real , true story of Nacho libre . So the , the real person is named sergio gutierrez benitez and , of course , he's from mexico . Well , it says here , specifically , specifically , y galdo , and so he was number 16 of 17 children , according to the internet .
Speaker 3Very traditional . You gotta pass the time somehow .
Speaker 2I was gonna say when I hear our elders , and they're just like I have 12 siblings . What your poor mother .
Speaker 3I imagine being pregnant for like over a decade .
Speaker 2I was gonna say that Like . That sounds scary to me . My heart goes out to you , ladies . No wonder you guys are mad . No wonder you guys are burnt the fuck out . I'll be mad too bitch . Anyway . Going back to the real story , Sergio wanted to be a mass luchador because he watched the movies that were released in 1963 , Mexican films El Señor Tormenta , which means Mr Storm , and Tormenta en el Ring , which is Storm in the Ring , and both of them feature the story of a poor Mexican priest who was , you know , supporting the children of the orphanage . So this is like a story that goes back to the 1960s . He got too inspired . He really did so , you know . He becomes a young adult at 22 . He becomes a drug addict and an alcoholic , Again , trying to pass the time right .
Speaker 3Yep .
Speaker 2So he , I'm sure he was so influenced he had to have been so influenced by these films growing up Because he actually expressed interest in priesthood and did get into the purists order and that with that training it actually took him to Rome , to Spain . So he ended up teaching history and philosophy in university , the Roman Catholic universities in Mexico . So I'm thinking this fool seen the movies as a kid and is just so inspired by it and wants to do the real life thing , and he does . And then so he ends up founding . He ended up founding like what founding founded .
Speaker 3Finding . Thank you , I don't know .
Speaker 2Yeah , his own orphanage , called La Casa Hogar de los chacarros del fray tormenta , because that is his mass wrestler name , fray tormenta , and um , not very secret , yeah , and he went on to live that , have that career for 23 years , nice , so , so , so , so many people . So usually art imitates life and in this scenario it was just , you know , the opposite . He was imitating the art . Yeah , I was so surprised . I was like you know what it's like ? That's what theater and film is for , right , to inspire the people , and I'm sure this person had good intentions . But it goes back to the same thing . Like you just want to have fun , right , you want ?
Speaker 2to be an adult , like with all these rules . These men are leading fuck the rule movement . But you know , uh , this , this film has a lot of latino or catholic images . Uh , I see that you noticed a few yeah , there was a lot .
Speaker 3Um , well , so it was shot in mexico , so obviously .
Catholic Imagery and Mexican Culture
Speaker 3But um , there was roses , a lot of the rosaries . He takes the rosary apart and uses the beads to make his costume . Yeah , uh , the food they were eating . They were eating beans and chips . I've had beans for dinner and I loved it . Beans are the best . And then I don't know if this is a generational thing , but he takes a little like the little doilies off the sofa or the tv stand and he was used , I think he used it to , for I don't know what he used it for I don't know what .
Speaker 2Yeah , I remember him pulling it . He pulled it , yeah , I know he pulled one to put on that , the face , yeah , of the home that he visited .
Speaker 3Yeah , to put on his face , yeah , but yeah , I think at my grandma's house or my elders , they have a lot of those doilies just around On the toilet on the toilet top yes , and on the sofa , the arm where you put your sofa .
Speaker 2Yeah , where the tv is at . I know it's so , and you know what , now that I have my own apartment , I'm like it's for the dust , isn't it ? Yeah , that's my grandma , where she we're going , plaza mexico I want to know .
Speaker 3And then , of course , the the elote on a stick delicious , classic , classic classic .
Speaker 2The background actors too , yeah I was like everyone .
Speaker 3I was like , did they just film this on the street ? And whoever was around like it really looked like it right .
Speaker 2Yeah , I was like it looked good very real very very real because the elders I feel like at some point I'm like over it , right . Yeah . So it felt very real .
Speaker 3This movie , I feel like , carries a good message about do what you love to help others yeah , yeah , cause he starts wrestling and he starts making the money and he buys the kids good food , he has the nice salads and then I like too that he made like funny little faces with the food . It was cute . Which was his favorite ? I don't remember there was one . It looked like a . It looked like a blob .
Speaker 2Oh , you meant faces with the food . I thought you meant like when he was presenting the food oh , no , like how he gives everyone a different face . He makes different faces per to who he's serving no , the salad was arranged like yeah , yeah , her salad was sister incarnation . Salad was like fruitful .
Speaker 3That was the ball . I was like I want this . That looks good , yeah . And then , um , at the end he's like praying to god and he was like , if you want me to win , I'll give all the money to the orphans been there , done that .
Speaker 2That's why I left the religion . I'm like I can't handle this transactional , this transactional relationship with the lord , the pressure . I don't like it . It's funny but it's like it's nice . You know , and I feel like a lot of people in the arts do what they love to help other , like you have so many . We've gone to a few where , like the hurricane in the philippines at one point , you know they had a um improv show at ucb so we went um or benefit shows they have a lot of them screened on tv , like stand up to cancer is one of the more popular ones . Red nose day oh yeah , I think people would perform for that one . Aids right , the aids performances right . I don't do . They still do those . I remember them being really popular in the early 2000s like with you too , and elton john and stuff .
Speaker 3I think well , because that kind of like died down , the what , the urgency , or like people aren't dying from it as much anymore yeah , they did , mission accomplished yeah , mission accomplished . But me personally , my 5k is for charity . Really , yeah , every single one , every single one . They're raising money for , you know , yeah , some sort of medical research , or to raise money for a school or raise money for orphans .
Speaker 2I don't mean to press you , but do you happen to know how much percentage of your input , of your , because you pay to participate , right ?
Speaker 3Yes , you pay to participate . I don't know what the percentage is , but sometimes I'll get an email back and they'll say like , oh , this event raised X amount of dollars for whatever research and stuff .
Speaker 2So those are cool , that is cool . Do what you can to give back .
Speaker 3every little bit counts yeah , and then everyone's there is like I don't care , I'm just here to run oh , hell no and they're like what are we raising money for today ? Like I don't know , I'm just here to get a workout I guess I don't know , I guess it works out for everybody .
Speaker 2I don't know it's a win-win , I guess , yeah . So this movie , I feel like being there's , the lines are blurred with is it mexican or is it religion ? Right there's , the catholic influence is so heavy in mexican culture and we all know why we ain't gotta go there . We all know fucking why it was either that or you die . Yeah , in short terms , pretty much that , and sometimes they'd still kill you , you're telling me .
Speaker 2But then they're happy to die right , they're like give me my last sacrament and yeah , give me my anointing and I'll be on my way . But it's like you know , you bring up a good point here in one of the topics . You know just why does religion have to be boring , boring ? Every yeah and everything's a sin . Do you really think that , like literally everything is a sin , but it ?
Speaker 3was well , I don't understand why . Because he says , you know , he's talking to incarnation , yeah , and he tells her , like oh , that he wants to be a luchador , and she's like , oh , it's a sin , you're just , it's false pride , you're a false idol . People are worshiping you and whatever , and I'm like that's , it's not why he wants to do it . He's not doing it to be a god like oh , I'm like well , have you seen ramses ?
Speaker 2I mean I look pretty godly to me with all that oil and the tan and the strength . That's one thing . And then another thing is like if you've seen Ramses and then you look at , you know Nacho ? You think people are gonna worship Nacho as a false idol .
Speaker 3You know what I mean . And then he's wearing his . He wears a crucifix around his . So I'm like , obviously you know he's still like worshiping , you know god and the religion and stuff so right , I don't but I feel like growing up like , um , just like a lot of guilt in the catholic church , like anything you do , it's like , oh , now you have to confess . Oh , you , you back , talk to your mom . That's the commandments . You just respected your parents . And it's just like , let me just live .
Speaker 2I know and you know , like I mean , I've done this too , but I get really annoyed and I think you do this too , not to point you out . I think a lot of people do this right , like , when it comes to religion , they're not , they don't go hard into the religion , but they still claim like to be part of the religion and like . Well , as a former Catholic , I gotta say the thing that I hated the most is like when Lent would come around and they would be like what are you gonna give up for Lent ? What are you gonna give up for Lent , what ? Are you gonna give up for ?
Speaker 2Lent and it's like what does it matter what we give up for Lent ? Because we all cave back once Lent is over , like we had a priest rest in peace . He was like my dad's , one of my dad's bffs , and he would be like I'm giving up pan dulce and I'm like why , mother fucker , are you just gonna go back , like after the 40 days , like and I think they put it in terms to like help the kids ? But I don't think it was very effective , right ?
Speaker 3yeah , I don't even like what was the lesson we're supposed to learn by , you know , giving up something ?
Speaker 2so repent . So , like how you said about what I remember and I could be wrong Let us know in the comments Right , jesus was in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights , like proving his devotion to God . Right , that God was going to come for him . And I guess the metaphor for us because they're all decoding , right , the Catholics are always decoding what was really said or what is really meant yeah , and what it's meant from what I remember is that you have to give up something that you enjoy . That I guess you know that does . Does you harm , um , to know that god , your faith , to test your strength in god , that you know that god's going to help you through it , and that you do need god ? Uh , no matter what , that's what I remember . I could be wrong because I haven't practiced the religion since I was in the sixth grade and I was still in the private school , so it's like very complicated , but I like to follow it . I don't know .
Speaker 3Well , from what I remember , it was like so that we can share
Nacho Libre: Standout Scenes
Speaker 3in God's experience and we can understand what he went through for us , because he gave his life up for us and whatever Jesus . Jesus , yeah , so that whatever they're , the same person , right ?
Speaker 2Jesus Get it right . I'm just kidding . I'm just kidding . No , I know what you mean , though I know what you mean , yeah .
Speaker 3So that we're supposed to like oh , live like him for 40 days or whatever , but then I think it's not even really 40 days , it's like more in the bible . No , no , when you count on the calendar from ash wednesday to easter .
Speaker 2It's like more days , no way , yeah , all these rules you see what I have on all these rules you instill and like you burn these , this idea into people and it's like you have to do this , but on our end , it's not gonna be exactly 40 days on our end , oh and then I remember too , like my , my parents would always be like it doesn't start until you .
Speaker 3You go to church and get your ashes , so they're like what are you giving up , eat it in the morning ? And then there's loopholes . I know they're like eat it now and then after , and then we'll go to like the evening mass and you'll get your ash and then we start no , so with your family it was like a diet more than a habit .
Speaker 3Yeah , or well , because I used to bite my nails a lot as a kid . So my dad would always be like give up biting your nails for 40 days . Did it work ? No , what did work ? Oh , I can never make it to bite your nails still yeah , I don't think I've ever seen you well , I don't do it in front of people anymore because I'm ashamed let's chew together .
Speaker 2What the fuck I chew in front of you ? Let's chew together .
Speaker 2yeah , it's tough , it's , it's tough , I'm just . I like movies , you know that show talk about catholicism and have the nuns , so this one had it both jam-packed for me , so I enjoyed it . But have you ever been to a church that makes what do you call it ? That's more modern ? They have different . There's so many religions now , and I took a Bible class in college and they told us that there's only really three main religions and all the religions after that are just sub categories of the main religions , and I can only remember two of them . The first one is obviously judaism .
Speaker 2yeah , that's how you say it right , yeah , and the second one is obviously catholicism . Third one I can't remember . I don't think it was satanism , I don't think the bible would include that religion , but they were basically saying that everything else that's like slightly Slightly different Everything , yeah , that goes by the , by the Bible . If it's referencing the Bible , it's loosely based on Catholicism . So , like Presbyterian Christian , yeah , definitely Christian , and I know that there's beef about it , right catholic christian , but it's like . Can we not fight about that in america ?
Speaker 2I know , jeez um , but anyway , do you have a standout scene of this movie at all ?
Speaker 3I don't really have a standout scene , but I just think the whole movie was shot very beautifully . Like .
Speaker 3I really like the colors . I think the colors were very vibrant and I hate movies like Twilight or the Matrix where they have like a dull like filter , yeah . So I really liked this movie , cause everything just seems so bright and beautiful , but that's the what stands out . I was like everything just is just seems so bright and beautiful , but that's what stands out . I was like everything just is just so colorful , I don't know , I don't know how to say it . I like it , yeah .
Speaker 2And I like Napoleon Dynamite when it came out . I haven't seen it as an adult , but I remember as a kid loving it , watching it , and I like the format . It's like , I don't know , dry humor , I don't know dry humor ? I don't know .
Speaker 2Almost . It obviously doesn't have like the like in sitcoms or TV shows where they have the automated track of laughing . Yeah , but I enjoyed it . I have two standout scenes . The first one is the eagle egg when he eats it . I watched , like the I used to have this movie on DVD and the director's commentary said that they filled it with Jell-O . They filled it up with vanilla pudding , because it looked gross , it did .
Speaker 2So I was hella curious , but it was like fruit bits and I think yogurt or pudding or Jell-O . Well , that sounds delicious .
Speaker 3I'm like give this man an Oscar when he gags .
Speaker 2I gag well that sounds delicious , because I'm like give this man an oscar , because when he gagged yeah , I gag every single and even when he's going , I'm like , and then that's another loophole thing , because I'm like he's not even eating at all and I'm like it didn't work because you spilled half of it you wasted it , you wasted half of , and I was , like I always wondered if , like , oh , is there behind , not a deleted scene of like , where the eagle mama attacks ?
Speaker 2him and he like falls off . You know what I mean . Um , if it was me , though , I would have like been dipping , like a , the eggshell in the thing to eat , like chips and salsa . You have to bring my own bread something . Try to dip this but I love that one and I also like where he at the end , where he is fighting remsis and he flies to him because it's so exaggerated , it is so slow mode and I was like man , I cannot see a string on jack black at all I know , and he looks so like in the zone I know and I was like is he an olympic diver ?
Speaker 2he had to work on that posture girl . I know because it's like it looked good he did it actually .
Speaker 3Okay , I guess my standout scene would be the opening , when he's a little boy and he's making his costume and then they find him and they take the costume off and they're putting him in the robes and he just looks so miserable that's when people rob happiness of people at such a young age I feel like all these fucking rules , yeah , do you think they broke their ?
Speaker 2vows at the end . I mean he was down for the count . She did not look interested at all . She looked friendly the entire time and I love the scene where he's like . She's like may I come in ? He's like no , I don't want people to get the wrong idea at the parish .
Speaker 3All right , well I thought it was dumb when he goes up to her in the the playground and then the other , like father , comes up and he's like , don't talk to her and you know what .
Speaker 2I think it's funny because it's comical , right like . But in mi familia that's one of the stories of the daughter . I don't you remember that film yeah , she was a nun or she was about to take her vows . And then the guy that she married , I think , was also involved in religious faith and for nacho , I'm sure this is realistic for him because of how his parents met yeah , right like he .
Speaker 2They call him huero . His mom was a lutheran missionary from scandinavia . His dad was a deacon from mexico . They tried to convert each other but instead got married and died . Very catholic punishment , right , yeah , yeah . When I heard that I was like the trauma dumping . This dude has not been socialized , he's an orphan .
Speaker 3Well , I felt like it was just like another , like their life is so boring that nothing happened , like they just lived and then they died , yeah they cease to exist from boredom .
Speaker 2Yeah , I do have a beef with this , with this film . The only part and you tell me why in the training segment , in the training montage , esqueleto is the one that's being shot with a bow and an arrow . He's throwing bees , he put shit of some animal on his fucking face and I was like why do you hate ? Why are his challenges way of a worse degree than yours ?
Speaker 3because he's the one , because nacho's the one in charge he's of course the cat .
Speaker 2I think it's because of the science thing , I think so . I don't know .
Speaker 3You tell me well I thought that was cute too , that they were still friends , even though he was like oh , I don't believe in god , I believe in science .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I think that , yeah , because you don't see that a lot I think in in mexican culture , right , it's like the catholics hang out with the catholics .
Speaker 3Yeah , almost um and they're like petrified of of other people once they yeah , everyone , everyone's afraid of the jahos , the jehovah's witnesses everyone's ducking and dodging them .
Speaker 2I call them the skirts , the skirts when I was in high school I had a friend who she was latinaina , and they were Jehovah's Witnesses . So I , you know me , I was ready . I was strapped with all the questions .
Speaker 2I was like I have so many questions , like can you answer them ? She was like yeah , so she answered so many and I can't remember not a goddamn single one , but single one . But the only one that stood out to me was that they didn't celebrate christmas , obviously . Well , they don't celebrate any holidays , right , yeah ? And so I was like so intrigued by that . Like no birthdays , no , nothing . It's like what do you celebrate ? Is happiness a thing ?
Speaker 2in your religion , like , what do you guys do when you want to express happiness , like like , I think for not even in a religious sense , but in in society , to have a birthday is like a milestone and celebration , and I and I think that comes from the history of like people dying , like either through war or children , from illness or poverty related issues , um , street violence , that rules and laws weren't as instilled as much or officially as of now . So it's kind of like you , you made it another year type of an accomplishment and it's like , well , do you express happiness of an accomplishment ?
Speaker 2and all you know what I mean why , is that a why is this such a bad thing ? Right ?
Speaker 2but I guess as a religious person it would kind of be like well you do , you praise the lord we celebrate with prayer which now , as an adult like I , can kind of see why some churches are a little bit more theatrical , because it's like how else can you ? You have all of this happiness that you want to express and even gratitude , and you're not allowed to do it out like , yeah , the way I guess quote , unquote , normal or unreligious people do , so it's like you express it at church and you're not allowed to do it out like yeah , the way I guess quote , unquote normal or unreligious people do so .
Speaker 2It's like you express it at church and that's how your community gets stronger .
Speaker 3But , um , I mean , I can see you being like that one day , not so heavily intense in in religion , but just in the sense of community , which I think is what draws people more to religion I don't know about you yeah , definitely , because my sister is mormon and they do a lot of community things , like they do trunk retreating and they have like father daughter dances and they go hiking with the church and I was and I was like I'd be down to join . I'm like do I have to believe ?
Speaker 2what's the price on this ?
Speaker 3can I just join for fun ? Or like what is , what are we doing ?
Speaker 2that's how they get you girl , you see what ? I say , but it's nice to see that there is a version of people being a little bit more um , I guess , open and participating in activities , because I didn't grow up like that , being in the catholic faith , like , but maybe volunteering sometimes , but um , not as not um hiking or other activities of bonding to catholic church is so boring .
Speaker 3And I remember in my church we got like this new young piano player guy and he would like play the music more like a beat and he would sing like a little faster and stuff and everyone not everyone but the little old ladies complained all complained about him , so he stopped singing and he just played the piano .
Speaker 2How sad I was , like damn , and you know the our elders . I always feel like our elders had such a hard time in their childhood that they don't know what it's like to have fun anymore . It had been robbed of them .
Speaker 2That's so sad it is . So I try to , I mean with my elders . I know one of them . He enjoys crosswalk . He's illiterate because of the time he was raised in and he just after the fifth grade just joined the workforce and has a hard time now , even after retirement , letting it go , and he likes um word searches even though he's illiterate . So I'll get him the big print girl and he's so happy . Um , my grandma , on the other hand , you know , I try to ask her like what she did for fun , and it's like you know , what about now ? Do you want to do this ? And it's just like no , no , and it's it's kind of sad because it's like , you know , you don't have to let go of it , like your life isn't over because of your age and fuck the person that told you that . And I think that there's just a lot of those barriers in this film as well . Like natural , you're an orphan , even though they're not saying it , but like an orphan you got involved in in like being in priesthood um .
Speaker 2You can't be a luchador yeah , you can't be a luchador , you know you can't have curiosities of um the opposite sex , which I think that's obvious . What's going on here ? But it's like , given the way he was raised , it's like where else would he have this humanistic curiosity ?
Speaker 3And then I was like it seemed like there's only boys at this orphanage .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , yeah , I didn't see any girls . There was not a woman in sight , yeah . So I was like what's going on ? Is there a history to that or is it ? Which I mean , I think a lot of times they keep the boys and not the girls . But I know some , I know some , some of our elders , that either they were in an orphanage or they knew someone in their generation and they were males too . That's crazy , right ? Yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 3that's concerning , actually now that you're talking about it . Moving on any other two cents , oh , just the scene where . So were they out on a date ? It depends who you ask , but anyway . So they go out into town and whatever and Nacho sets up this fake ambush and he's going to fight these guys . And I'm just like why do you guys think this is going to impress girls ?
Speaker 2I got to put myself in the shoes of nacho and it's
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Speaker 2like I have no game . I mean , if he wanted to like do something to himself , like where would he even go ?
Speaker 3yeah , what would he ?
Speaker 2even do you know what I mean yeah , um , yeah , he got no game , girl , he . He lied to her under false pretenses of what this was gonna be , bit him in the ass , rightfully so . Um , even she was like why are you not wearing your robe ? You ? Know , obviously it was a date for him and yeah not for her , and I'm happy that this movie didn't have them like hooking up at the end because , I feel like a lot of movies will give that happy ending , and it's nothing that the people ask for .
Speaker 2No one , no one should have dated in this film , the bechdahl test so what does this get ?
Speaker 3on the bechdahl test . Uh , I think it's obvious it fails . There was only one uh woman in the cast , the sister .
Speaker 2Well , we're getting to an age now where more roles for women are being made , so I mean . I like this film , but it is what it is . Do you think that maybe her role could have been different ? Or Candidas , the one that loves Esqueleto ? Hers was borderline offensive Because of her weight in the tunnels . I enjoyed it then , though I enjoyed it now .
Speaker 3I mean , it's making me laugh , it's just ridiculous .
Speaker 2I know what more could both of their , because it's obvious that the star of the film Is Nacho and Esqueleto . Right , yeah , and their goals . So it's like if we were to give them more lines or more character development , what would it even be ?
Speaker 3Yeah , it could have been I don't know Women donating something to the orphans . I feel like women do a lot of charity work . They could have donated some clothes or shoes or I don't know . There's a lot of singing nuns out there .
Speaker 2Yeah , choir . I guess it was just a little bit too much work , I don't know .
Speaker 3or it could have even been little old ladies just hanging out going to mass . Oh yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Which it makes me sad that the women , the nuns , can't service the mass .
Speaker 3That makes me sad . Well , you know they're girls .
Speaker 2Yeah , they probably can't read . All right , everyone . Now it's time for our newest segment , popcorn or Colonel Main characters we're having , as obviously Nacho , would you say . The next one is Esqueleto . Yeah , all right . Would you say that the main characters are relatable .
Speaker 3Well , I related more to Nacho . I was bored at church .
Speaker 2That's pretty funny . What about Esqueleto you ?
Speaker 3didn't relate much to him .
Speaker 2No , did you relate to him , I mean the science part . I guess the science part , I guess I mean when he threw the elote , yeah , when Nacho threw that elote , yeah . When I show through the elote , yeah , I mean when I get into the tag I'll be trying to suck and chew on every fucking end of it and I don't care for marriage . But I tell my boyfriend , like we're gonna get married , like that's , I want mexican snacks yeah , you know that'll be tasty , it'll be a hit , it's bomb , you know uh , are they attractive ?
Speaker 2attractive , no , no , neither one not at any time are they funny ? Yeah , yeah , they're hilarious are they charming , though charming um uh nacho , more , more so I wasn't charmed , I think it was just the funny . I don't know they like go together . It's charming because he's funny and confident , so I guess with that loophole , yeah , but it wasn't like a romantic charming that I'm used to do . They invoke sympathy or empathy .
Speaker 3I think so yeah , you felt it for them . I felt it for them , especially when they're getting their butts kicked in the the wrestling ring bro , when that , when the belt came out I was the elders .
Speaker 2I don't know if you were spanked by your elders like your grandparents uh , not with the belt , without anything else though I didn't , I think , I don't think I was , I probably was , I just don't remember .
Speaker 3I remember being stepped on one , though stepped on by one ouch , whatever was in like arm's reach , that's what I got hit with . Oh my god , that could have been anything . Yeah , yeah , it was a lot of things interesting things yeah all right so that's the empathetic point there .
Speaker 2Yeah , I felt sympathetic or empathetic for both of them . To be honest , Regarding the movie or the plot , are there stakes ?
Speaker 3I think it's more like internal , like it's Nacho's happiness . But yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 2I mean , I think for Esqueleto . Yeah , I mean , it's either this or Hit the Streets again right stealing and then for Jack Black's character , nacho , I kind of felt like you're gonna be found out soon enough , you know , but I feel like for him his stakes are different compared to Esqueleto's like Esqueleto's homeless yeah , right , so I thought there was more stakes for him than there was for Nacho . Yeah , are the characters in jeopardy ?
Speaker 3I mean Esqueleto being homeless .
Speaker 2Yeah , oh yeah , he was literally stealing from orphans to eat Literally , and I think that's why he doesn't like the orphans . He's jealous . He's jealous they have a home at least . Yeah is the conflict interesting . I found it interesting I did too , because it's like , I guess referring to catholicism right yeah , is the topic relevant . I'm like on the fence about that one what ?
Speaker 3What's the topic ?
Speaker 2Yeah , because Living a double life I mean , yeah , as people that follow religion , I feel like there is like a layer of living a double life Because it's not like the old days where people will follow religion . Like the old days , I feel like now you have like digital sermons , you have sermons on TV , you have Bible apps , you know , I guess , I guess , yeah , what is the topic ? You know , follow your heart for the greater good or put the kids first yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 3I don't know what the topic of the movie is , we'll put any .
Speaker 2Any non-applicable doesn't apply , doesn't ? I think this was turning out to be a popcorn . I think so too . All right , now it's the moment that you've all been waiting for . What do we rate these movies ? So we rated School of Rock first . Let's start with that one . What do you rate this film ?
Speaker 3School of Rock . I give it a 7 out of 10 . What do you give it ?
Speaker 2I'm you forgot . I'm pulling it up . I gave this one a 10 out of 10 . Okay , what about for nacho ? Libre ? What are you putting what ? What did you put Libre ? What are you putting ? What did you put for Nacho ? I gave it 8 out of 10 . Okay , so what ? So ? Then you gave this one more of a point , yeah , so what did you like about this one versus the other one ?
Speaker 3um , well , for Nacho Libre , I think it was a better message overall . I think , um , like we were talking about doing what you love to help others , helping the orphans . Um , I think , visually also , it's just beautiful , yeah , and like when he was like off on the , the mountains and there's a sunset and the sky is blue and it's . It just looks so visually pleasing , yeah . And then maybe I don't know , just because I relate to it more with the church and catholics , I get that . And then I found myself thinking about it , like after I watched it , like the next day I was still thinking about the movie . Oh so , yeah , so I like that one more . And then school of rock I I guess , yeah , I knocked it down because , um , there's no consequences at the end , like he just got , he just got away with everything you want it .
Speaker 2You wanted answers . Yeah , I'm like what happened ? I can get that you're a parent now so it's like I demand the answer .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's funny . I rated school rock a 10 out of 10 because I thought it was funny . I thought the music was catchy , yeah , like I didn't want to the movie to end , but I'm a sucker for the end credits , so you know those end credits got me . It looked like everybody was having fun . Um , the movie's over . Yeah , and you know , in my opinion everyone got a happy ending . The kids were acknowledged by their parents . Dewey crowd has a successful crowd surf and then starts his own business .
Speaker 2So , yeah , that he didn't have any consequences , or we don't yeah , if there was , we obviously didn't see that . But it was a happy ending for everyone . So I liked it . And it's catchy . I'm a sucker for the catchy and then for nacho . I mean , if I had to pick between the two , my favorite is is they're both so close , but it would have to be the school of rock because of the music . And that's the tricky part when you make borderline musical films , it's like you always are one up by the non-musical films if the song if the musics are good yeah , oh yeah , it was a really good soundtrack yeah , and then for natural .
Speaker 2You know , I thought it was funny . It's quotable . I mean , look at how you opened it . Yeah , that was totally improvised not agreed upon , and I think that it's . It gets an extra . It gets extra points for being funny because it's based on a true story and the true story is based on another movie . You know the layers , the layers , and that's how art is going to continue to be Like , influence , influence , influence , like who is original it brings the question right . Who is original ? It brings the question right who is original anymore ?
