Comedy vs. Drama: Robin Williams' Legacy

Step into our time machine as we dust off a previously unreleased conversation exploring Robin Williams' remarkable ability to excel in both comedy and drama. What made this comedic genius equally capable of breaking our hearts with powerful dramatic performances?

From his humble beginnings studying political science before Juilliard to becoming a cultural icon through roles like Mork from Ork, we trace Williams' evolution as an entertainer who could seemingly do it all. We dive deep into his Oscar-winning performance as therapist Sean Maguire in Good Will Hunting, examining how he brought authenticity and emotional depth to a character helping a troubled young genius process childhood trauma. That iconic park bench scene still brings tears to our eyes years later.

Then we shift to The Birdcage, where Williams plays Armand Goldman, a gay Miami drag club owner caught between supporting his son and maintaining his authentic self when conservative in-laws arrive. Through laughter and poignant moments, the film explores the painful compromises people make to gain acceptance and the courage required to stand in your truth.

Along the way, we share our own therapy experiences and vulnerable moments, discussing how the simple affirmation "you are enough" can break open emotional floodgates. We also examine how both films, though different in tone, tackle universal themes of authenticity, belonging, and the courage to be yourself in a world that often demands conformity.

Whether you're a lifelong Robin Williams fan or discovering his work for the first time, this episode celebrates the extraordinary talent of a man who could make us laugh until we cried and cry until we found something to laugh about. His legacy reminds us that comedy and drama aren't opposites but complementary tools for processing the beautiful mess of being human.

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Transcript

Season 2 Time Capsule Introduction

Speaker 1 0:10

Welcome to Season 2 of the Double Feature Podcast . Today we're opening up the time capsule . We'll be enjoying one of our unreleased episodes from a few years ago . Think of it as a conversation frozen in time . Buckle up and get ready to time travel in three , two , one .

Robin Williams' Career Overview

Speaker 2 0:46

Today's topic is comedy versus drama . This is a new topic for us where we spotlight an actor's or director's work in their comedy work versus drama work . And today we will be spotlighting the very special and very much missed Robin Williams . So I think a lot of people know Robin Williams for different , like decades of his work , right , but I don't think a lot of people know , like , where he started . I didn't know this , but he actually went to college initially for political science . And yeah , before he went to Juilliard .

Speaker 2 1:21

I didn't know that . Yeah . So after Juilliard , you know , that's when he started hitting up the nightclubs and that's when he got booked for the episode of Happy Days of Mork from Ork , which later landed him his own spinoff series in Mork and Mindy We've talked about this , yeah . And then later , you know , he got booked for Popeye . What a lot of people don't know is that when he was at Juilliard he met and became really close friends with Christopher Reeves . He's the original , the OG Superman oh my God .

Speaker 2 1:55

And he also comes out in Smallville as , like a scientist , you know which I was like what a nice callback . You know what I mean . He's in his wheelchair and I'm like perfect .

Speaker 3 2:04

Like Stephen .

Speaker 2 2:04

Hawking .

Speaker 2 2:05

Yes , yes I was like representing girl . I was so happy for him and the two remained friends until he died . And I thought this was so sweet because , you know , christopher reese was in a terrible accident I don't know if you remember which led him to be in the hospital for a long time . And fucking robin williams I talk about him like I know this man he went in to visit him and he went dressed completely in scrubs and had like a mask on and he spoke in a russian accent and was just like doing all this like wacky , fucking weird ass , like antics on him , and all also at the end like he would make his friend laugh chris and um , they report that chris reeves stated a quote .

Speaker 2 2:47

That was the first time I'd laughed since the accident and quote , and I was like me too . I was like he was such a good friend . But you know , going back to his work , you know he ended up doing improv and he soon proved like he could be a dramatic actor . You know , started booking things like good morning , vietnam , dead poet , society and eventually , you know , goodwill hunting in in the late 90s , um , but during the in the beginning of the 1990s he wanted to really transition his , his um image , I feel like , because that's where he became like a household name . He started booking a lot of the family oriented films . You know hook , fern , glee , aladdin , doubtfire , jumanji , flubber , by the intent . All of these were in the span of 91 , 92 , uh , 93 , really good robots later in the early 2000s .

Speaker 2 3:41

So it's like every genre , every generation was able to enjoy a piece of um robin williams , and he , you know , passed away by suicide in august of 2014 . So , um , that's a little bit of robin . I didn't know a lot of that stuff .

Speaker 3 3:56

I don't know if you did um , I knew some of it here and there , he also would perform for the troops overseas . Oh , so that was true as well . Yeah , and they called him . Um , there was like another comedian who would do shows for people not jim carrey not like an old-timey , I'm like a black and white type of comedian , because they would call robin williams . Like oh , he's the modern . I want to say Bob Hope . I can say that I don't know if I'm saying the wrong . Forget , forget what I never mind .

Speaker 2 4:31

But he was giving back to the community in that service because I feel like it's hard . Listen , it's just me , but when you join the armed forces you're pimped out from the government .

Speaker 3 4:39

Yeah , basically .

Speaker 2 4:41

It's like hard , like I couldn't put my body on the line , you know , as a poc woman for a country that treats us as second class citizens .

Speaker 3 4:49

I'm sure it's different for the men , but it's hard too but I've heard like um , because my husband's in the navy , so I hear him like talking , you know , to people and his co-workers and whatnot . And then they're like I overheard this one conversation and they're like , oh yeah , we were gonna go out on this mission . And like our commanding officer basically told us like you guys are already dead . So like when you're out there , don't try to like , don't try to preserve your life , go out there and do the job .

Speaker 2 5:17

I was just like God damn , you know . This is why I'm glad millennials are kicking it off and the generation after us is really driving it into high gear . Fuck that job . Yeah , because , like girl , if someone , if that wasn't a job and someone told you that it would be high offense , yeah , you know , but I mean , it's not for everybody . Every job is not for everybody you know I couldn't do that job . I would have been like , oh yeah , well , give me , pay me

Good Will Hunting Analysis

Speaker 2 5:39

out then . Yeah , starting off with Good Will Hunting .

Speaker 3 5:49

Will Hunting has a genius level IQ but chooses to work as a janitor at MIT . When he solves a difficult graduate level math problem , his talents are discovered by Professor Lambeau , who decides to help this misguided youth reach his potential . When Will is arrested for attacking a police officer , professor Lambeau makes a deal to get leniency for him if he will get treatment from seeing the therapist Sean played by Robin Williams .

Speaker 2 6:19

This movie was released in 1997 . It's rated R and it's genre is drama . It's directed by Gus Van Sant , who is also known for directing Milk .

Speaker 3 6:31

Oh , I didn't see that one .

Speaker 2 6:32

Yeah , that one is with Sean Penn . Yeah , I very well like Sean Penn . It's writers for anyone that doesn't know is Matt Damon and Ben Affleck . That's right , you guys . This is an independent film . That's right , you guys , this is an independent film . Its budget was $10 million and domestic it made an estimated $138 million . Wow , yeah , it stars a Will . I'm sorry , matt Damon as Will , ben Affleck as Chucky , stellan Asgard as Professor Lambeau , robin Williams , of course , as Sean and Minnie Driver as Skyler . So you know . I just want to say the music here I wasn't a huge fan of , but I was very surprised to see that it was Danny Elfman . Did you recognize that ? See that in the work ? I didn't .

Speaker 3 7:20

I thought the music was very subtle , like scenes would go by and I didn't even realize music was playing . Yeah .

Speaker 2 7:28

I was like usually Danny Elfman , you can identify his work by the sound . I mean Men in Black Nightmare Before Christmas , batman , yeah , batman , it's very distinct . So I was surprised . I was like , well , he was in a band , right the Wingle Wingle , wasn't it ? So I was like , yeah , he like well , he was in a band , right the wingle wingle , yeah .

Speaker 2 7:44

So like , yeah , he got range , he got range girl so him too is danny elfman's dramatic music is good , it's all good , he got range so , and you know , that's what I appreciate about musicians , because they feel like people will tell you , oh , you're just gonna do music , but there's like the other avenues for it commercials , films , like it's not just radio , play right yeah and good thing . We live in such a digital age right now where you don't even have to be quote-unquote famous or signed by a record deal to be able to release your music on the internet , right and gain , gain , fandom .

Speaker 2 8:17

So , like I said , this movie was released in 97 . I think that ben affleck and matt dam Damon were gaining traction already for like hotties For hotties , do you ?

Speaker 3 8:30

I know they were definitely like up and coming actors at the time Do ?

Speaker 2 8:35

you think that either one of them were good looking ?

Speaker 3 8:37

No , I don't like either of them , not even now . Not even now .

Speaker 2 8:42

No , you know what People I remember for a long time ? People just Ben Affleck . Ben Affleck , my mom was a fan .

Speaker 3 8:51

Is a fan .

Speaker 2 8:51

I don't see it . I don't get it . I've come around like I haven't watched his . I think I did watch his Batman take on it , but I think he grew into his adult body .

Speaker 3 9:00

Yeah .

Speaker 2 9:05

You know , yeah , you know , yeah , he's super skinny in this movie yeah , they're both young jovencitos , and it's like I'm not feeling it . You know , I want man yeah , so nay nay to either one of them and I think the style too .

Speaker 3 9:15

They're like boston and they're ben . Affleck's hair is like poofy , he's like they both look fucked up and then he's wearing like a gold chain or something . I was just like , oh , oh it's very .

Speaker 2 9:27

I mean , I haven't been in the East Coast , but that's what I imagine the East Coast being like in that time Boston , you know accents and the jewelry .

Speaker 3 9:34

And then the accents are annoying , oh my God .

Speaker 2 9:37

Casey Affleck's accent , and he's a weirdo creep . I don't want to talk too much about him , but his accent was driving me up there . Oh , I don't know if it was just his character . Right , he was an annoying younger brother . Yeah , right , who didn't want to do shit but wanted to be part of the group .

Speaker 3 9:51

He played it well , though I was annoyed . I know I was like fuck this guy .

Speaker 2 9:55

Just get him out of the group or kick his ass . Do both of them if possible . Uh , so this film , you know there's um , it's like plot very much has to do with therapy . So , uh , the double feature podcast asks have you ever broken down crying

Therapy's Impact in Film and Life

Speaker 2 10:14

in therapy ? You go first . Well , obviously , yeah , obviously I'm . If you know me , you know I'm sensitive , I'm a big baby . Pick one , pick one . Yeah , I know both bitch , I start my own lane .

Speaker 2 10:25

I start in the middle lane I definitely have , and now therapy is remote , so I can do it in the comfort of my own bed instead of her couch . And you know , there was a point where I reached where I was like , okay , I've cried here . I think I've cried in the first session and it was just I don't remember how old I was , it was my early 20s but just finally talking to someone in a safe space and , um , she was like , yep , you're in the right place and it , it was uh , liberating in a way . So , um , it was , oh what . What did he say in the forgetting ceremony ? Are those good tissues or sad tissues ? Those happy tissues or sad tissues ? Yeah , it was definitely a little bit of both , because it opened a whole new door and I always wonder what my life would be if I didn't go to therapy , and you know , but what about you ?

Speaker 3 11:15

yeah , so the one one that stands out in my mind I . I didn't go to therapy , I had a life coach , so , um , I don't know what the difference is I ?

Speaker 2 11:26

oh , go ahead , oh , oh , I know the difference .

Speaker 2 11:28

We have a friend that's a therapist and I asked her and she said that in therapy they are designed to help you work out what you want and problem solve your own , help you get there . That's what the design , what is designed to do . Um , a life coach hears what you're saying and tells you and that kind of makes sense because of how , what you shared with me , like she kind of like I was like what the fuck ? Like this lady telling you what to do , like I liked , I enjoyed it , but I also didn't enjoy it yeah , but um , so it was during the time .

Speaker 3 12:01

Uh , so my husband's in the navy and he uh went overseas and all the money he was making we were gonna buy a house and um , so I felt like , oh , I need to step up my game and I need to get this promotion at work so that I'm not a financial burden on him , so I could help , you know , pay the bills and you would never be a burden to nobody .

Speaker 3 12:23

You could have told me , I would have told you that so , anyways , I was trying to get this promotion at work and I didn't get it right so then I'm you know I'm talking to my life coach and I was super upset and I was crying and I was just like man , like I , you know , I felt like I let my partner down and I was like , oh , like I really wanted this promotion . We need the money and whatever . And she was like is ? She was like is this contingent on you living with him ? Like , is this one of the terms and conditions ? Like you need to make more money .

Speaker 3 12:54

And I was like no . And then she was like is this man asking you for anything ? And I was like no , and she was just like . And then she was like brianna , you are enough ? Oh , I just started bawling , I just started crying and it was unexpected for me and it looked like it caught her off guard . What she's a professional . So then , like after I calmed down a little bit , she was like so then , like after I calmed down a little bit , she was like okay , that's enough for today and I'm like all right , okay , okay .

Speaker 2 13:30

So now you guys know the little difference of each .

Speaker 3 13:33

All right , you , you pick which one I don't think she could handle like me just bawling , and I was just like I'm enough , okay , oh , but you know what ?

Speaker 2 13:41

I'm glad she said that to you because I feel like not a lot of people hear that and we'll get into it about the movie because it's something similar occurs yeah I went to a chicago improv style writing camp and one of our teachers she said that like you are enough . And I was crying in the middle of the whole camp , like because if you know me , you know I don't give a fuck .

Speaker 2 14:01

Like I'm gonna do it right then . And there I'm gonna honor myself and not be embarrassed by these social norms . Um , and then more people started . People started crying with me . So I was like you started it , you kicked it off . I'm a trendsetter . I don't know what else to say . I'm original , I'm the og . I don't know what else to say . But it's nice to hear , I think too , from your elders , because I'm assuming she was older .

Speaker 3 14:23

Yeah , she was like around my mom's age .

Speaker 2 14:25

Yeah , so I feel like it's just that much more comforting . Like , um , my therapist is also older . She's , she's my parents , is our parents's age , and I feel like whatever I can't get from my parents because they they can't give it to me . It's like how you said , it's not ?

Speaker 1 14:38

that they don't want to they just can't .

Speaker 2 14:40

I feel like I get that from my therapist and I like that a lot because it's a woman , she's Latina , um , and I feel . I mean , I feel like you know , those things resonate with me . I don't know if today , like you still hear that you do , you still tell that to yourself . Is that something that resonated ?

Speaker 3 14:54

with you . I should , I should , I should still tell that to myself .

Speaker 2 14:57

I know I'm gonna hold your hand and I'll be like you're enough . No , you're gonna make me cry okay later , later .

Speaker 2 15:01

We cuddle , later , later so , going back to the movie , um , do you think , okay , this is an independent film ? Uh , I remember I watched this film for the first time ever when I took psychology in high school , nice . She showed it as part of the the curriculum and , um , I was like , okay , this I couldn't understand why it was made this way . But now that I'm older , it's like , oh , because it's an independent film , right , and it's kind of like a odd pairing of the casting . I feel like looking back now , seeing who's established and like who is or who has the work everyone has done . Now , right , um , do you think that these actors have any chemistry at all with each other ? Anyone , anyone at all ?

Speaker 3 15:46

no , no , well , okay , robin williams and matt damon they had . They had good chemistry . I feel like you had to yeah , you fucking did the stars they have to , but every like .

Speaker 3 15:58

So who will's character and skylar , like they're supposed to be in love and whatever . I was not feeling it . And then when , when they're breaking up because she's going to , I was not feeling it . And then when , when they're breaking up because she's going to medical school or whatever , and she's like tell me , you don't love me , and then I'm just like I'm not there , like you're not taking me there you know what I think it is .

Speaker 2 16:15

I think it was just like she was just a little too self-aware . I feel like like maybe that's why I couldn't relate . I was like that's like I've never been in an argument and said something like said those words or say something like that and not be like to the top heated about it . Yeah , what I mean ? Yeah , so I I feel like that's why I was like she probably if she gave more , it would have been more . What do you ?

Speaker 3 16:38

think , yeah , but even when they were like on their date and they're like at that , like joke shop , yeah , and I was just like , is this supposed to be cute ? Like I don't like it .

Speaker 2 16:47

Oh yeah , that stupid magic trick that he did . I was like you guys drunk you guys need to act a little bit more drunk I was like .

Speaker 3 16:52

I was like if I'm the that clerk working the counter , I would have been so mad . And he's like throwing candies all over . I was just like what the they should have .

Speaker 2 17:00

They should have had somebody like hey I know you gotta pay for that , and then they run out of the store that probably would have been a better ending to that scene .

Speaker 3 17:06

I don't know . And then even the guys like the group of guys and they're in the car talking about the burgers and then the one guy's in the back like pass

Rating Good Will Hunting

Speaker 3 17:14

me my burger . And I was just like what .

Speaker 2 17:18

Morgan , little Morgan and his big brother . Yeah , and I'm just like this is tricky . Um , this is not entertaining . You didn't feel as a sibling that that like resonated with you , like because it's obvious that chucky's annoyed with his younger brother . Yeah , right , he's trying . Your financial burden to me is what he was conveying , I feel like I didn't .

Speaker 3 17:35

I didn't like it until the end . When he finally gets the burger and they're gonna pull over to start a fight and he's like why are we fighting ? We have food now . That would be you . Yeah , and I was just like okay , like 10 seconds out of this whole scene was cool .

Speaker 2 17:51

Then I don't know . I thought it was funny when one of them was like listen , if you don't go out there right now , out there with us , we're gonna kick their ass and we're gonna kick your ass too . So no one had any chemistry with each other . What about um professor lambeau ? Do you think he had chemistry with each other ? What about Professor Lambeau ? Do you think he had chemistry with anybody ?

Speaker 3 18:08

No , and then there was supposed to be this backstory drama that him and Sean Sean are like academic rivals or something . I was like I'm not . I wasn't feeling anything .

Speaker 2 18:18

You don't think even him with Robin had any chemistry . Not really Interesting , because I'm like maybe it's just who seasoned , maybe , because maybe that may be what it is , but it could be the writing too , right , I'm assuming this is like one of their earlier works for everybody in writing and in acting , because I think robin is for sure well seasoned here by now . They were really excited to get him on board . I don't know , we're still in asgard's his experiences , but him and his brothers like they dominate hollywood . In my opinion there's like four or five of them . Yeah , mini driver , I don't think she was that big yet either , but I get what you're saying because I feel like I've watched this movie so much that I this was one of my favorite movies for a very long time , because it talks about the taboo of what goes on and it wasn't like too rough but , um , okay , so just just the main characters .

Speaker 2 19:10

That , yeah , shauna , shauna . Well , I get that . I was like what about fear of emotions ?

Speaker 3 19:15

fear of emotions . Yeah , when um will's in jail and then professor lambeau comes and he was just like oh , I got you out under two conditions you got to do math and you have to go to therapy and will's like I'll do the math but I'm not going into therapy yeah , I think a lot of people feel that way , yeah well , I mean , it is like it's scary . And then I think someone says he's like oh , because it's easier to be in a jail cell than have to like really face um I don't know what .

Speaker 2 19:46

Yeah , he told him it beats being in a jail cell , yeah right like you're um without getting too specific right , like you're um without getting too specific right , like you have your freedom just do math and have a one-hour session and like you know he takes it .

Speaker 2 19:55

Obviously he's like chum chay , mean everybody , um , and I think that's that's that's very authentic . You know , we live in an age now where we're blessed , where it's not as taboo . We're trying to break the stigma . There's so , so many commercials . Now you have apps , now you have remote , like you know what I mean . And I'm so jealous of the therapists now , because when I was in high school , we had my friend group , like three of them were going to be therapists , and they were like , yeah , the sucky thing is that , like you don't make a lot of money and now boom it's fucking remote work .

Speaker 2 20:26

But it's everywhere the remote work , but it's so .

Speaker 2 20:28

I'm sure it's emotional on both ends , like yeah if you've ever heard a friend vent about their serious problems . It's hard to hear . Yeah , emotional for everybody . Yeah , and I think that they did a really good way of um showing the process of that . It was like , yeah , he initially didn't want to do it . Yeah , he's giving them a hard time because he doesn't want to do it . And then , like the turnaround , yeah , and him testing sean throughout that whole time , I was like he's really and sean's in for the game . Yeah , I was like that was interesting to me and I think you know when he chokes that fool out , yeah , oh , yeah , what do you think about that ?

Speaker 3 21:04

okay , I'm not attracted to robin williams , but um so it wasn't ben , it wasn't Matt it was Sean it was that scene . I was just like god damn , if I was like , that's exactly how I would want my husband to react if anybody ever said anything about me um , you better , you better say I will end you yeah yeah , and I'm just like I thought that he was gonna do yeah and I and I don't .

Speaker 2 21:33

I my I was watching this movie and I didn't know . My boyfriend really wanted to watch it , but he was watching clips and I was like you miss like one of the most , like I would say , important points of this film , because up until then , will was not willing and will wasn't afraid . So it says a lot about their characters . Yeah , um , but sean can obviously handle that girl . Like , yeah , how do you know ? I want to know . Like , how do you know the boundary of doing enough and and not taking it too far ? Like you choke him out but you didn't suck him . You know what I mean ? Like , how do you know ?

Speaker 3 22:07

well , he probably saw it in his eyes . He had the crazy eyes going . He was like this food's gonna kill me . You know what I mean . Like how do you know ? Well , he probably saw it in his eyes . He had the crazy eyes going .

Speaker 2 22:16

He was like this fool is going to kill me and Bree's just like that could be me .

Speaker 3 22:19

huh , I was just like . I was like , yep , you better kill it in the bedroom Tonight .

Speaker 2 22:24

Yeah , I was attracted . I think when anyone defends your honor , I think is attractive and I think everyone wants to feel like someone has their back , you know what I mean . And that's exactly until death , even through death , and he brings that up too , like she's dead , you know , and it's just like that . Loyalty to the end of time is like wow , because I think a lot of people , especially the men , like , once their wives die or get sick , they leave them or they get remarried like within the same year , like not even three months go by and they're already hopping to the next chick , you know . So it's like interesting , it's very , I think it gives . It shows really well how he's capable of love too . You know like he can . He's intelligent , he's strong , he has boundaries and he's still capable of love which up until this point Will hadn't experienced or the type that he has experienced was through his friends right .

Speaker 2 23:19

The loyalty and the love that still isn't very verbal or touch , it's just by support and showing up , you know , and from a man . Man too , because it's like all these male figures growing up beat his ass terribly like it's still kind of like , so gives me the creeps a little bit to see , like , what he went through .

Speaker 3 23:39

yeah , and I really liked um sean's monologue . When they go to the park and they're sitting on a bench and he tells them he's like , oh , like , you're just a kid , you don't know anything , and he's like you've never even been outside of Boston and you've never loved someone and you've never like . I'm tearing up right now just thinking about it .

Speaker 2 23:58

Yeah , and he's like you think I fucking know anything about being an orphan , because I read all of her twists Like I don't know shit and I'm like he's breaking it down for this film . He's breaking it down and um . One of my dreams is to visit that bench , and I think this is the film why I cried like when Robin died . I was like the therapist , sean , died , and you know I love this movie so much that the scene where they , when Skylar and Will , are arguing was my dramatic reel .

Speaker 2 24:33

Oh my , God when I was acting and one of our dear friends . I asked he wanted to be an actor at the time too , I asked him if he would do it , do it with me , and he did . And I tried to do Skylar Skylar's accent .

Speaker 3 24:44

Did you do the accent ? No , hell no .

Speaker 2 24:52

I'm brown . Hell , no , tell me you don't love me , but I too , like wanted to elevate that scene .

Speaker 1 24:55

I can't find the video I was looking for it I can't find it , but you will see when .

Speaker 2 24:57

I find it nice . Do you think , um , that professor stellan had genuine good intentions for will ? Not at all , even like from a business , like you know how business is very transactional . Like you know , you scratch my back , I scratch your back and we , like he sees that this man does need help , so he's providing the help . Do you think that he had any genuine good intentions for him ?

Speaker 3 25:22

I don't think so . I think he just wanted his , what his talent or his genius and he wanted . I think he was doing it to benefit himself like . I think he was like envious and he said something . He was just like oh , like , this math problem took me 20 years to figure out , and then you know , and then will solved it like in one day , oh , yeah , and then that guy that was it , that guy that came in and was like , look , I got it and he puts it on the little projector .

Speaker 2 25:47

Yeah , and the guy just like stares at the problem . Which I get , girl , if I was in that dude's position , I don't know what I would . I probably would have just had to walk out too . Yeah , cried my life away 20 years . But I agree with you , there were some points where I was like maybe , maybe , but then I was like no , the relationship is 100% transactional and inconsiderate of Will's desires .

Speaker 3 26:14

And .

Speaker 2 26:15

I think the only person that really vouched for him was Sean yeah .

Speaker 3 26:22

Definitely , definitely . When they were in the bar and I think the professor was like , oh , in five years he could be like doing this . And then Sean was like , oh yeah , in five years he could invent the atom bomb . Yeah , yeah , and he was just like doing this . And then sean was like , oh yeah , in five years he could invent the atom bomb , or yeah , yeah , and he was just like he's not emotionally ready . And then the professor gets all mad and he was just I forgot what he said , but I was like you're a villain yeah , he was just like name dropping all these motherfuckers about the potential that will would have .

Speaker 2 26:47

And I'm glad that sean was in his corner saying like , yeah , that's possible . But I mean the you know the unabomber reference . Yeah , you know it's , with great talent comes great responsibility , titty responsibility , you know . And I think that , like you said , you know Professor Lambeau just seen his end of it and all the . I feel like he was seeing dollar signs , girl , yeah , dollar signs . And I was like , no , you see this , all the time , people in the industry or that are famous or have talents that they just can't handle the pressure that they becoming , they become addicts , they go to the wrong , the wrong way , they don't know how to cope , they don't have great coping skills and it's like you want to throw someone in there that's been through so much , that has zero coping skills and has a history of violence . You just want to like , oh , band-aid it with some therapy and then just send him off on his way . I was like , but I will say I think I feel like he manipulated his argument very well , because I was like , maybe , maybe , not .

Speaker 3 27:53

Yeah , and then I was like wondering . I was like does he get a kickback ? Like , say , will took a job somewhere at some company or whatever ? And I'm like is the professor going to get like a kickback from him getting hired or something ? Something right , we don't know what strings he's pulling back there , the bechdahl test .

Speaker 2 28:14

What does this get on the bechdahl test ?

Speaker 3 28:18

can you guess it fails ? It's freaking fails .

Speaker 2 28:21

There's no there's only one woman in the whole literally I'm looking at this . I'm like who the fuck else is she gonna talk to ?

Speaker 3 28:27

nobody . She didn't even have a roommate , she didn't have nothing .

Speaker 2 28:30

I know it was like for college . Come on now . All right , I'm unhappy with that , but it's the truth . All right , everyone . Now it's time for our newest segment , popcorn or Colonel . You know how sometimes we think we're just not the audience for this . Well , we turned it into a metric where we judge the accessibility of the movie .

Speaker 3 28:55

Yeah , so we're going to look at the characters in the plot to see how relatable they are to a general audience or to a specific audience . So if we think the movie can relate to a lot of people , it's a popcorn , so you could pass it around and share it with the whole family . But if it's for a more specific audience , then it's a Colonel , so you could pass it around and share it with the whole family . But if it's for a more specific audience , then it's a kernel . Some people like it , some people spit it back is this a popcorn or is this a kernel ?

Speaker 2 29:20

I'm sure , obviously main characters matt damon and robin williams , right . So will and and uh sean are they relatable either one of them ? And Sean , Are they relatable Either one of them ? Yeah , I think so . I think so too , on both ends . Are they attractive you ?

Speaker 3 29:38

established this early on , Not until that one scene Like just once Choke me , daddy .

Speaker 2 29:50

It's in the name of love there's something about loyalty that's so attractive it is . I don't know what it is coming from the hood that loyalty . That's all you got , man spoil me with loyalty .

Speaker 3 30:04

It was good he killed it .

Speaker 2 30:05

They both killed it and I'm just so impressed , you know , still with with that . I don't know I had this performance bite , but it's Robin Williams . God damn it , are they funny .

Speaker 3 30:20

I thought together they were funny .

Speaker 2 30:22

I thought so too . Those scenes of them together , I'm just like those are the ones that I feel like carry the movie to be honest , because it's like serious , serious , serious , and then like kind of an interesting being with the friend group , kind of an interesting with skylar . But skylar is important because it's part of the development right of intimacy and closeness um , but I do think that together they were funny .

Speaker 3 30:44

I don't think any of the jokes that they said at the bar were funny I know , know , like oh my God , and everyone references like that scene and I'm like that is the stupidest thing , like that's not even a good comeback .

Speaker 2 30:57

I feel like if they would've made fun of his hair .

Speaker 3 30:59

Yeah , his ponytail .

Speaker 2 31:01

His ponytail with the hair strings . That's a total chick hairstyle . Yes , okay , are they charming ?

Speaker 3 31:13

Uh , are they charming . Uh , I think sean was very charming sean , but will nah , me neither .

Speaker 2 31:22

Only to skylar , I'm sure , and to professor ? No , I don't ask professor lambo he was definitely charmed .

Speaker 3 31:30

Definitely yeah , so then just one , yeah , uh , do they invoke sympathy or empathy ?

Speaker 2 31:38

yeah , I thought so on both ends and I love how , um you know , sean is able to open up to will as well and talk about his wife and how they met and the good stuff about a marriage , and I'm so happy he brought that up because , again , the dysfunction that will grew up and had no idea of the other possibilities of what life could be like in a relation in a healthy relationship so I say yes , so I say yeah , and then when he's like , oh , is that my file ?

Speaker 3 32:07

and he's like , he's like , yeah , you want to see it .

Speaker 2 32:08

And he starts opening it and you see the pictures , I was like oh damn , I know that was the scene that my boyfriend walked in on he was like what are ? They talking about . I was like you missed the whole thing . You just did the good stuff . You gotta get through all the other stuff , so the good stuff is better . That was good . Yeah , regarding the Regarding the movie or the plot , are there stakes ?

Speaker 3 32:31

Oh , I mean , I guess for Will , because he's facing jail time , I guess , yeah .

Speaker 2 32:40

Yeah .

Speaker 3 32:40

I thought so too .

Speaker 2 32:42

in that regard , Are the characters in jeopardy ? I think he was because of the jail as well . So I think , that who wants to be in jail girl ?

Speaker 3 32:54

Nobody Is the conflict interesting ? I thought .

Speaker 2 32:58

so I think the conflict is yourself , right , yeah .

Speaker 3 33:02

Healing yourself , dealing with your past , trying to move on . Yeah , I think it's interesting , is the ?

Speaker 2 33:10

topic relevant . Yeah , hell , yeah , I mean without a doubt especially now , you know the taboo has been released . It's loosening his grasp . So I think , it's a thousand percent . And another film I think they should use in the curriculum this is looking like a popcorn . Yeah , I think we got a popcorn here . All right , and you guys stay tuned for the ratings of these movies at the end of the episode . Next up for review the .

Speaker 3 33:39

Birdcage . In this remake of the classic French

The Birdcage: LGBTQ+ Representation

Speaker 3 33:44

La Cage uh Follies couple Val Goldman and Barbara Keeley shakily introduce their future in-laws . Val's father , armand , a gay Miami drag club owner , pretends to be straight and attempts to hide his relationship with Albert , his life partner in the club's flamboyant star attraction , so as to please Barbara's father conservative Republican Senator Kevin Keeley .

Speaker 2 34:11

This movie was released in 1996 . It's rated R . It's considered a comedy plus LGBTQ plus or , as other people call it , lgbtq . Who says that ? The internet ? I've never heard that . Or what's it called ? The LGBTQ mafia ? Oh my gosh , that's hilarious . I know LGBTQ Sounds like French , french , almost like an angry french word , so I enjoy it .

Speaker 2 34:36

I don't know if you knew that I'm gonna present and represent , if you could say it please . I have to look at it to say it like it's directed by mike nichols . You guys might know his work as he directed Closer 2004 , Charlie Wilson's War . I didn't see that one . It was popular , though Come out in 2007 . I didn't see it , and he executively produced Friends with Kids 2011 .

Speaker 3 35:04

Is that a TV show ? I think it's a film oh okay , Never mind .

Speaker 2 35:08

It could be , though there's a few writers that wrote in the screenplay . Like you mentioned , it's based off the play . I know I don't speak French La Cagia Foyes . I don't know I'm saying it in Spanish , but that's by Ella Mai's play , right ? And then so you also have Jean Poiré , who also is a French director , who made some French films and contributed to this one . Francis Verbeer , who also directed the Closet in 2011 .

Speaker 2 35:41

A pain in the ass , 2008 . And , to my surprise , the Ballet , the remake with Eugenio Derberes . Yeah , it was released in 2022 . I've been wanting to watch that . I think it's on Hulu , okay , yeah , it was also Edward Molinaro , who also directed Just the Way you Are , and Baca Maez , the Scoundoundrel I haven't heard of that one . That was released in 96 , though . Um , this movie , uh , the budget was 31 million dollars and domestically it made an estimated 124 million dollars . Wow . Well , you got some big names up in here . You know it stars Robin Williams as Armand , gene Hackman as Senator Keeley , nathan Lane as Albert , diane Wiest . I love her . Yep , I'm becoming a fan . She's a bad bitch .

Speaker 1 36:42

I'm just going to say it .

Speaker 2 36:43

She's a bad bitch , she knows what she's doing . As Louise Keeley , we got Dan Flutterman as Val Kalista Flockhart as Barbara and Hank Azaria as Agador .

Speaker 3 36:58

Also he does the voice acting Spartacus .

Speaker 2 37:00

Yeah , he's also Spartacus .

Speaker 3 37:03

He does a lot of voice acting for the Simpsons .

Speaker 2 37:05

Yeah , I've seen a few of those clips about how he was like they made me do it . You know what the shitty part is . He's good at it . I know , like as a POC , like he's played so many , I don't think he's here . He's a Latino , he's Guatemalan . I had no , I'm not from Guatemala . You know , but I felt no disrespect as a Latino but I can't make that call . But this dude executes . I think he's good with accents , Like he executes them , or what do they ?

Speaker 2 37:33

call it A character actor . Yeah , he kills it , in my opinion , and I know people give him shit for it because it's like where do we draw the line ? Where do we draw the line , especially in a history in Hollywood where they would much rather have a white person perform than to hire , yeah , um , a person of a poc to execute the project , right ? So I think that's the root of the problem . What I hate is that he does it well . That's what I hate the worst . The worst case scenario is that they don't . They don't execute it . When you don't execute it , it comes off as racist .

Speaker 2 38:06

I feel like , yeah , but I think in its essence , because of its birth , is you know that ? So this , you know this kid ? He's young . The son val wants to get married . So you're grown enough to get married , but not grown enough to be honest with your parents or their parents ? Yep , tell us all this time . Oh , my gosh , tale as old as time . I do like how they cleverly set it up that Armand was having an affair . When I first watched this movie , it was like hard for me to like grasp , like what was going on . I was like so is he adopted ? Is this from a previous relationship , you know what I mean . Yeah .

Speaker 3 38:48

The whole time I was like fuck this mom .

Speaker 2 38:53

Dude , I was like she's a deadbeat mom . Yeah , on tv this is never , because I feel like the toxic fathers are always displayed and deadbeat fathers are displayed , never the deadbeat mama .

Speaker 3 39:01

And they were going way too easy on her , though they're way too nice to her , but um , but yeah , so he . So val is 20 and then the girl Barbara is 19 .

Speaker 2 39:11

I thought she was 17 . No , she's 19 . She looked , little , yeah , she looked really young .

Speaker 3 39:16

But yeah , I don't understand . If you're , I feel like , if , okay , you're getting married , so then I feel like you're starting your own new family , like you're breaking away , like your immediate family is now your husband or your wife , not your parents anymore . Right , that's how I see it . So I'm like why ? Why the need to lie about all these things ? And I was like and if you're going to get married , I assume you're going to live with your husband or your wife . So I'm like I don't need to lie to you no more if we're not living together , right ? So I was just like we're not living together , right ?

Speaker 2 39:53

so I was just like I think it's financial , which I can't relate because I'm with you , girl . I was like I'm gonna make my own money . Like what's the what's the problem here ? But I think that's what it is the money because he's a politician , so he's seeking . The tradition is that , um , the parents support you until you're married and then your husband supports you , right ? So I'm assuming this is the world that they live in . So you want to marry , and I get stuck on that . I'm like so you want to get married but you don't want to support her financially , like you still want to use your parents' money to , you want to have it all is what I'm seeing .

Speaker 3 40:23

Yeah .

Speaker 2 40:23

I mean you can't , and so you're trying to at the expense of your parents , and that's what I wasn't cool with . That's what bothered me the most . Yeah , and then Barbara is just Barbie's , just like in for the ride , like yeah , let's lie . I was like God , you guys are so immature , you're so stupid . I was like is she pregnant ?

Speaker 3 40:41

Just say it . Just say it . I think they asked in the movie and she was like no , I'm not pregnant or something .

Speaker 2 40:49

Which I mean it ain't no problem .

Speaker 3 40:51

Just be honest , yeah , I don't know . At what age did you stop lying to your parents ?

Speaker 2 40:56

There's still . There's like one thing that I lie to my parents about now still , but for the most part I think it's just like . I mean , I guess technically it is lying like selecting what you say , what you don't say . But I don't say , um , but I , I don't think . I think I probably stopped lying about that stuff , maybe in my early 20s when I'm , I think .

Speaker 2 41:16

But yeah , like when I moved out , I was like there's no , there's no reason yeah , exactly yeah , but I think , I think that if the kids feel the need to lie to the parents , it's like 100 the why can't your kid be approachable to you ? You ?

Speaker 3 41:28

know , yeah , yeah , yeah , definitely when I I think after , yeah , after high school , and yeah , the lies stopped . And then definitely when I moved out like there's no , yeah , there's like zero lies anymore there's like no reason to .

Speaker 1 41:44

Yeah , I don't know , that's what it is I don't get it .

Speaker 3 41:48

What do you think about how the family was treating albert ?

Speaker 2 41:52

And I wanted to ask you like do you think he was exaggerating , that he thinks the family hates him ? Because I kind of , as a sensitive person , I got that too , because I feel like they didn't mention that Val was coming initially and I didn't understand why , like , why wouldn't you want like the person that they seem to imply that raised him right Because of that ? So why wouldn't you want the person that raised him involved in his visit or know about the visit ? You're not telling them about the in-laws visiting . And there was no positive feedback of when he dressed up hetero in the suit , except for the pink socks , which I don't , which was a criticism , but there was no positive feedback about it .

Speaker 3 42:31

So I got the impression that they all that they did not like albert yeah , I was getting that impression too , and I think I think it was because , like , he was so dramatic and he was like screaming and he's over the top and whatever that they're like , oh , we can't tell him because he's gonna react and whatever . But I'm like , well , you , are you in love with this man or not ? Like is this your life partner ? Like yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 42:58

So I felt like , yeah , I felt like they hated him too , and I think that when people say like , oh , I didn't want to tell them because that how they would react and it's like , well , that's their , that's their feelings , and I get that , but it sounds more like you can't cope with other , like it's a codependent thing , like you can't cope with other people's reaction of things , like you can't detach from that um and you don't even care about their feelings .

Speaker 1 43:23

You care about your feelings and being uncomfortable it's how I interpret that .

Speaker 2 43:27

So I was like these people don't give a fuck about Albert , and I was . When I first watched this film , it was hard for me to laugh . Um , because it was promoting to hiding you're gay and I felt like hiding your gay is the butt of the joke and I thought that they were like over the top making albert , which nathan lane kills the role .

Speaker 2 43:46

I'm not gonna lie , I am entertained , but it is almost like a cliche . And because , because they're hiding him , it's like being gay is the butt of the joke . Yeah , for a long time . But watching it now and having a better sense of self , I can see that it might have started out that way , but it definitely ends with Republicans being the butt of the joke .

Speaker 3 44:08

So I came around yeah , I started watching this movie and I was like , oh , this isn't funny .

Speaker 2 44:15

Oh my God , I'm so happy you said that because my boyfriend loves this film , like this is , but even watching , when we re-watched it this time for for the review , he did catch himself . He's like I don't hang around a lot of games , so I don't know if this is a cliche , I don't know if they're poking fun or how accurate this is , but like I think everyone like does a good job . But like I don't know and I appreciate that someone is willing to say that Like if it's wrong , like I don't know , but am I entertained ? Yes , but I acknowledge that there might be a stereotype and I think everyone kind of feels that way , because it got ass in the seats , I mean it's a .

Speaker 2 44:47

Hollywood play .

Speaker 3 44:49

Yeah , so but yeah , I think definitely I was more entertained the second half of the movie . Me too .

Speaker 2 44:56

Yeah , I was too , because the first part of the movie , like my heart went out to Albert . Yeah , real bad . Like , have you ever had an experience where you felt that you need to like limit yourself or restrict yourself of who you are for a sense of an occasion or anything like that ?

Speaker 3 45:13

It's like when people are going to introduce me to to someone new . I've gotten it a few times where people are like , okay , brie , like be nice , what , yeah ? And like people will tell me that and they're like , okay , we're gonna go somewhere , like be nice to these people , and I'm just like what do you think I'm gonna do ? Like I'm meeting someone for the first time , like what do you think I'm gonna say , but that's ridiculous yeah , and I don't get that impression about you at all .

Speaker 2 45:37

You're very polite , thank you , and very considerate . Bree will then will introduce me and she'll give like a little synopsis of each of us , so we can better mesh and I'm like I have never experienced that . I had never even thought about that . So I appreciate that and I thought about doing that , but I'm like anxious , anxiety induced about it .

Speaker 2 45:54

But it's a good technique it's a very good technique and it's very considerate and I don't think that people catch that about you and you tell me which bitches said that and I'll get something to say about .

Speaker 3 46:03

Well , it's like that's always my family . I was just gonna say I think I know and I'm like why ? Why is your family the meanest ? They're always the meanest people towards you , but they're always like okay , brianna , fix your face and I'm like what .

Speaker 2 46:18

Your face is beautiful .

Speaker 3 46:20

You're smiling all the time and I was just like okay whatever whatever I don't I

Speaker 2 46:28

I would never .

Speaker 3 46:29

You're the nicest and I'm like albert , I'm right there with you man .

Speaker 2 46:33

I feel like people have told me like , watch your mouth , because I'm forward and I can't help it . I remember one time I met one of anthony's friends and I just had all these questions about him and my boyfriend was embarrassed . But I asked like , hey , can I ask you ? And I think that's a free game . But my boyfriend thinks I should be considerate that people are people pleasers and would say , emily , that's not my problem , I can't be babysitting .

Speaker 3 46:55

All people pleasers that's like half of the population or it's too much work , but people I feel like they like that , like they like attention , they like talking about themselves .

Speaker 2 47:05

So I feel like if you have questions about somebody , that's a good thing I think so too , and I kind of I kind of feel like , okay , well , and I tell them like I want to ask questions about this , like can I , it's okay that you say no , it's not a problem . Um , it's hard for anybody to be like , hey , limit yourself or don't do this or don't do that or do more .

Speaker 2 47:23

I feel like doing more , like being considerate of a person , probably isn't that bad , because we all need support at one point in time , but I feel like restricting yourself , being asked to restrict yourself , in that sense , is kind of like gut to the punch you know , so I was like oh , for no one's .

Speaker 2 47:38

But you know what I kind of feel ? Like Armand came around for him , yeah , because he was following him around and he even told Val , like this is the man I love , yeah , like I'm running after him , like you know . So I feel like it was kind of realistic to relationships in a sense .

Speaker 3 47:56

Yeah , like it was kind of realistic to relationships in a sense . Yeah , I don't know , what did you think ? Yeah , I think it is hard because if , like your , your , your child is asking you like , oh , I need your help , I need to favor any , you know , I'm asking you to do this . So then it does put armand in the kind of position like who do I choose ? My son or my , my partner and stuff . But I like , yeah , at the end , when he , um , I think when they're getting dressed and stuff , and he told him he was like , oh well , it was a simple decision , either albert or you know , or I think , oh , because asking the mom to come over , and he was like either albert or your mom , and he's like , and I chose albert , and then the son was like all upset and stuff the son was tripping .

Speaker 2 48:33

The son is spoiled and immature . Yes , and I think armand like at the end of it turned out to be a stand-up guy and a supportive husband and a supportive father , and it's hard to dabble those girl because , it's like you can . In a world where they tell you you can only have one , you got to juggle two at once yeah like it was a lot um , and I feel like this could have really easily gone , the separate way of being like no , fuck you , like you know , whatever and he did but the son just called the bluff .

Speaker 2 49:01

Yeah , that's the tough part .

Speaker 3 49:03

That's the tough part and I thought it was interesting too . So when they are doing the dinner party and albert's dressed as a woman and then they go to the all , they all go to the bathroom together and then the the what the senator and his wife , they pick up on it and then they're like , oh , something's going on .

Speaker 2 49:19

It really seems like they're mean to the mom dude , I know well , I thought it was funny how at the end , like albert was the favorite yeah , it perceived that he was the favorite right because the senator was very fond of him , like everyone's giving him this , this attention . But they don't know that it's because they're afraid .

Speaker 1 49:39

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 49:40

So she's like I want to be someone's favorite . I almost cried with her . I was like I relate to you , luis . I get it , luis . Poor thing that bitch was hanging on by her man . She too is a very supportive wife and mother , the same way that armand is , and it's just she's just not receiving the same love and I fell for her .

Speaker 2 50:02

Yeah , the moms , the moms . You got one shitting mom and you got one that's trying and she's not getting the rep . It's only the man mom . Yeah , that's getting all the stuff . You see how women are second class citizens , do you see this ? That's her problem . She just has to be a man . That's her problem . That's the problem for all of us . Right , we got to be the men dressing up as women to get the cred . Oh my god , but it was . This film was like very well executed , like it's two hours long , and I felt like it came around , it started , it started one way , it turned and it was like full circle for me .

Speaker 3 50:34

Yeah , but I have a question , mm-hmm , because I'm not a gay man , but I am . Don't they know how to like what is it called Code switching ? Yeah , yeah , like , can't they turn it on and off ? Like they know how to be masculine and then be their like gay self .

Authenticity and Family Expectations

Speaker 3 50:57

So like like the scenes where they're like , uh , armand is trying to show albert how to like not not be so gay , how to walk , how to talk and yeah , whatever . And I'm just like , well , from childhood growing up , wouldn't you have learned all those things already , like in school or whatever ?

Speaker 2 51:11

I grew up with a person that later came out as gay and with him absolutely not like everyone called it out when we were kids like he's gay , he's gay and I feel so bad for him because all the bitches , little bitches was flocking . I too had a crush on him . I was like I wanted to be your girlfriend . Like I told him in the third grade , I'd like you . He's like I don't like you . Like okay , okay , but um , I think everyone's different girl like .

Speaker 2 51:37

Some people can hide the gangsta , other people can't . I think some people can act gay , other people can't . And I I witnessed it with my own childhood friend like , no matter how he dressed , how he acted , I also feel like it's like even the mannerisms that he had , even even all of that , his interests , like even though if they weren't necessarily feminine , he was always people can always out him . And I just felt I don't want to say I feel bad , but it's kind of like man like you , you can't hide . So it's like you have to have the confidence to stand in your own compared to other people that can't hide .

Speaker 2 52:16

Um , so I think , armand , yeah , I definitely could have executed , but I'll I'll burn . No , you know , because it's the simple things . It's like how you hold your hand , how your posture , yeah , I don't know . What do you think ? You think should be easier ?

Speaker 3 52:33

I think , well , I don't , I mean , this is just an assumption like I would have , because I I also went to like high school or whatever school with people and I never knew and I never would have guessed or thought . And then later on in college you know , it comes out like , oh yeah , that they're gay and I'm like they're just like us . Do you have a standout scene ?

Speaker 2 52:56

yes , so it's when , uh , all the in-laws on the , the new , the future , the kids , val and barbie , they want to get married and they're having dinner and , um , they're talking about politics and albert's just like we'll kill the mothers . The abortion , yeah , he's like we'll kill the mothers . I know people will fight for the , but she's gonna abort the baby anyway .

Speaker 2 53:21

Might as well go down with the sinking ship and I'm like man , what a hilarious take on how they sound sometimes . And now it's , like you know , 2024 and it's just like the Handmaid's Tale , like you know what I mean . I thought that was hilarious , like I was laughing so hard at this and they're eating it up bitch .

Speaker 3 53:42

They're eating it up and he's like so nice to meet a woman like you . They don't make them like you anymore , he wasn't trans girl .

Speaker 1 53:52

I felt like one more drink .

Speaker 2 53:52

He was about to kisser , I know and I'm like you don't see his big ass hands . I was like the five o'clock shadow anything , anything at all . You know , I was just like you could totally tell yeah , I was like this person is not around openly gay people that he bought this I know the both of them .

Speaker 3 54:08

You know what I mean what about you ? Uh , the stat it's when they're pretend . Well , armand , is like showing albert how to be straight and whatever . And he's like this is how you shake my , shake a hand and whatever , and then um oh , at the little restaurant or whatever no , they're , they're like at the park , and then oh yeah , yeah . And albert's like um , how is ? How are the dolphins like the sports team or whatever ? And then albert says I forgot what he says . And then he's like what is that the wrong answer ?

Speaker 2 54:39

and then armand's like I don't know just put on a fucking sports sports channel real quick . Yeah , it's like when they redecorate the whole they're the moose head he's just turning away all the sexual like artwork . He put up a cross . It's funny . And then he's like who put playboys ?

Speaker 3 55:01

in the bathroom leave it .

Speaker 2 55:03

They like that stuff . That's another thing that I feel sad about , like straight , like not saying that all gays are like inherently like super horny , but I feel like heteros for people to be so obsessed with sex like it's like also like taboo to show it , display it or like and like you have like a knitted , like I have a penis . Yeah , I knitted dick at home , you know . Yeah , it's funny . Yeah , it's funny , and it's not like too in your face about it , like you know what I mean it's not , it's not it's not skin colored , it's not .

Speaker 2 55:37

It's not flesh colored , it's not veiny , you know , it's not very detailed , it's a cute , it's funny . Yeah , it's , it's funny and it's cute . And I just feel , like you know , for hetero again to be so obsessed with sex and it's just like but you can't have the playboys out . Yeah , but you're so obsessed in your film , your tv your music and almost any other art form . You , you , you love it , but that's a little too much right yeah , it's funny .

Speaker 3 56:03

On the radio I listen to the woody show and , um , they're always talking about like how there's a . There's like one of the djs is gay and he's just like . I don't know why straight people make it seem like such a big deal . Like I'm gonna get laid tonight like he was , like I could get laid whenever I want .

Speaker 2 56:18

I'm gonna say yeah that's why because not all the hetero males . They fight for it , they fight for it that's crazy .

Speaker 3 56:27

I did have one really big problem with the movie though there's . So at the end the end credits is the wedding , right , right , but there's . I felt like they skipped a scene there's . There's no scene where this the senator kelly and his wife tell you know , armand and albert , like , okay , like , your lifestyle doesn't bother us and our kids can get married and it's not a problem you wanted the official closure .

Speaker 2 56:52

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3 56:53

I wanted it .

Speaker 2 56:56

I think we didn't get it because it didn't happen . Oh , that's a good point , you know what I mean . It's just like they just got to deal with it . Like , what do you think about the casting in this film ?

Speaker 3 57:07

I love the cast . I really like the cast . Robin Williams , of course , is great . What's his name ? Nathan Lane , who is actually a gay man in real life . Yeah , he wasn't out yet at the time . I think he's great . I always think of the Lion King , Timon the Sun Val . I was like I recognize him , but I can't put my finger on it . Where has he seen him before ? And then Calista Flockhart I always want to call her Ally McBeal .

Speaker 2 57:38

Who's that from ? I recognize her . She's from the Grinch and other things .

Speaker 3 57:43

No , no , no , the girl , the one he was in a Mary . Oh , sorry , sorry , my bad . Yeah , I was thinking about the mom . Oh , yeah , the mom . Yeah , she was in the Grinch . And then , of course , hank Azaria from the Simpsons I like him . Diane Wiest , I'm becoming a fan .

Speaker 2 58:00

She's good . She knocks out every single role she knocks out and I'm so happy to see that she still gets work as an older woman , because it's taboo in Hollywood . Once you hit 30 , they want to start booking you for mom roles , which is accurate , but it's much older mom you know , but I feel like everything I see her in . She's a mom she kills it , though she kills it every single time , yeah , the bechdahl test what does this get on the bechdahl test ?

Speaker 3 58:32

oh , unfortunately , it fails even with the girls . Oh yeah , they're always talking about the dudes well , cause there is a scene where the mom , luis , and her daughter , barbara , are talking , but the dad is also in the room and yeah , doesn't count .

Speaker 2 58:55

So alright , everyone room and yeah , doesn't count . So all right , everyone . Now it's time for our newest segment popcorn or colonel . So is this a popcorn or is this a colonel ? I mean , main characters I feel are obviously armand and albert do you think ? It's three though and the sun .

Speaker 3 59:13

Son , what's his bell ? Yeah , okay .

Speaker 2 59:18

Do you think that the main characters are relatable ?

Speaker 3 59:25

I mean , I think someone out there can relate .

Speaker 2 59:30

I mean I think in the sense of like having a cover for your family like limit yourself . I think it's relatable .

Speaker 1 59:35

Maybe not that intense , but yeah , yeah I thought it was relatable .

Speaker 2 59:39

Are they attractive ? Let me think uh , no I was attracted by how strong williams was holding down for his son and his husband . And then he he started talking Spanish and I was like he's a little too hairy . But I mean , I fuck with it . I don't know , it was for me , One for me . Do you think that the main characters are funny ?

Speaker 3 1:00:08

I think , yeah , armand and Albert are funny .

Speaker 2 1:00:12

Hands down , they carry the whole shit .

Speaker 3 1:00:17

Are they charming ? I find Armand and Albert very charming . I thought so too , very much so Val was boring .

Speaker 2 1:00:26

I was gonna say , I mean , I know the reason why I hated his character , but I also maybe the actor did such a good job because I was like I was so annoyed . I was so annoyed , I was so over him . I was like all it took for him was to be a little bit more frantic and I would have been like you're just a kid do they invoke sympathy or empathy ?

Speaker 3 1:00:51

I thought so little albert , yeah , I felt , yeah him especially . I felt bad for him . And then , um , I started to feel bad for armand at the end , when he was like trying to uh , please everybody that stuff too .

Speaker 2 1:01:05

I feel like there was a lot of dynamics here that everyone can relate to . Like , like , how you said , armand trying to make everybody happy , meet everyone halfway . Senator keely's in the shit that he doesn't want to be in . You know , albert is just trying to be a part of his family . You look like to me , you know ? Um , what do you call it , louise keely ? She just wanted to be loved . Yeah , um val val and barbara just want to get married and agador just didn't want to get deported , which I was upset by that line . To be honest , I was like you , motherfucker . And then , when he started talking spanish , I was like , is he playing latino too ? But they're in florida they said they're jewish , you motherfuckers .

Speaker 2 1:01:46

They're just adapting to the culture .

Speaker 3 1:01:48

Yeah , so the plot ? Are there stakes ?

Speaker 2 1:01:53

I thought so I guess for the kids .

Speaker 3 1:01:58

Yeah , you , yeah , I guess for the kids , because I was like nothing's really at stake here . I mean you don't like your in-laws , it's not really tough Deal with it .

Speaker 2 1:02:10

I know If you can handle it handle it . So just for Val .

Speaker 3 1:02:14

Then yeah , I said yeah , just just for val . Are the characters in jeopardy ?

Speaker 2 1:02:19

again , I would say no I thought so just because I thought that , yes , you were being found out , and then also , like you were gonna be cut off , I thought maybe barbara would have been cut off and there was gonna be no wedding , but then none of that should happen . So I was like , why are they afraid ?

Speaker 3 1:02:35

then just the judgment yeah , I feel like it's all in your head , like all these like social rules and whatever . It's like I don't know . To me I'm like who fuck your feelings ?

Speaker 2 1:02:48

I would kill to be to have the only if your parents didn't like it but still supported you financially and just didn't like it . I would kill to have that it's like whatever I win .

Speaker 3 1:03:02

Is the conflict interesting ?

Speaker 2 1:03:06

I thought it was once they started making fun of Republicans . I was like , oh my money . Well , because it heightened , right . It's like are they going to buy it ? Are they going to buy that ? This obvious man is a man .

Speaker 3 1:03:19

Well , I think family drama in general it's always interesting to me , all the time , all the time .

Speaker 2 1:03:24

It takes you . It'll be your family that'll take you there . Yeah , so you do think the conflict was interesting .

Speaker 3 1:03:28

I think it's interesting Is the topic relevant .

Speaker 2 1:03:32

I'm looking again . I'm looking at it in the eyes of like . When your family asks you to limit yourself , so I thought that it is because I feel like that's a family thing , right , yeah , it'll be nice . Or like act appropriate , dress appropriately too .

Speaker 1 1:03:43

I feel like that's another one for women , yeah um and stuff like that .

Speaker 3 1:03:48

So so yeah , I think it's . I think it's a popcorn who would have thunk

Final Ratings and Conclusions

Speaker 3 1:03:52

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Speaker 2 1:03:55

All right . Now it's time for us to rate these movies For Good Will Hunting . What do you rate this film ?

Speaker 3 1:04:07

I gave it a seven . Tell me more . I gave it a seven Because really I was like Robin Williams and just all the therapy scenes . I'm like they're carrying this whole movie because everything else I didn't care about and , um , I kind of felt like they had long scenes of dialogue . I know those monologues , yeah , sometimes and I kind of felt like that's . It was reminding me of , like quentin tarantino movies . But no , me too . But I was like but quentin does it better because there's guns and blood involved ?

Speaker 2 1:04:37

I don't know .

Speaker 1 1:04:38

I was just like it's not an interesting conversation .

Speaker 3 1:04:41

I know there were some rants that Will was going on and I just was not there for , like when they're in the bar scene and the guy with the ponytail and then Will comes up and is trying to shut him out .

Speaker 2 1:04:54

He could have cut that in half , girl . I like is like trying to shut him out . He could have cut that in half , girl . Yeah , I was like you're now you're embarrassing this man . I was like he could have just said that you got in the education like you didn't . It was too much information and I feel like that's why he was going so fast . It felt like that monologue was maybe like a minute , a little bit over a minute , and it was just unnecessary I think , they could have chopped it up a little bit yeah so so .

Speaker 3 1:05:15

I gave it a 7 . What do you think ?

Speaker 2 1:05:16

I agree with you . Even though this movie was my favorite movie for a long time , watching it now I see that it looks like a beginner project , which isn't bad for a beginner project . You know you got a big name coming in . You have these people that turned out to have great , successful careers of their own in the end . So there is potential . I do think that it's just the writing that missed some marks . You know it was too long there , but I think character development rise , it's solid and I think delivery of a few people Robin Williams for sure , professor Lambeau for sure , carried it the way through and , dare I say , casey Affleck nailed it as the annoying baby bro . Yeah , he did , you know , carried it the way through and , dare I say , casey affleck nailed it as the annoying baby bro , yeah he did you know ?

Speaker 2 1:05:57

yeah , and there were some aspects where I think ben affleck's character came through , cuando , like when he tells will like you know , I wait , I hope that I don't see your ass there . You know , and I feel like there was a lot of um , direct and emotionless , uh confrontations that were coming by the friends with will will and his friends . That I enjoy , it's like a breath of fresh air . I feel like they're talking about taboo stuff , so I felt like that was good . And then , you know , I had to knock down a point because of the wine scenes . That's all I gotta say .

Speaker 2 1:06:30

A wine scene production so seven out of ten on both ends cool , cool and the birdcage . I give this one a 9 out of 10 . Just because I do think it was a little long . But this is the problem when you have a piece of art that is going to be transformed into a film , whether it's a book or a play , or even a even specifically , a musical it's like how do you chop it up ? How do you chop it up ?

Speaker 2 1:07:03

how do you chop it up to get everything , to give the people what they want , because the fans are going to watch it . And , um , I just think that , I don't know , maybe it was just a little bit too long , it didn't have to be , but it carried through . And I think that it I don't know , maybe it was just a little bit too long , it didn't have to be , but it carried through , and I think that it sends the test of time . I just think it was just a little bit too long and I haven't seen the play , so I can't make any direct comparisons to that . What about ?

Speaker 3 1:07:32

you , I gave this an 8 out of 10 . Because the first half I I was like this isn't funny and I was like where , where's the comedy ?

Speaker 2 1:07:41

right and it's dragging on a little bit right because it's not funny and it's borderline offensive , so yeah so I was , I was just like .

Speaker 3 1:07:48

I was like damn . I was like we made a mistake , like we should have just picked a different movie I know I was like man , we're gonna shit on this movie right now . But then it came around and I was like man , we're going to shit on this movie right now . But then it came around and I was like , oh , okay , like it got funnier as it went on and more enjoyable , so I give it an 8 out of 10 .

Speaker 2 1:08:02

And I think people might relate to it more as a parent , as a young kid even the gays , you know . So , if you're all three , this is a staple in your family home . Yeah , staple in your family home .