We take another deep dive into Andy's prison program and the what and why of the key design features many of which have taken a decade or so to refine: Physically Active Learning, mind-body connection, managing mood, working to targets, competition, community and progressive overload - and what Andy's version of a supportive environment in a prison looks and feels like.

We end with a short foray into policy and what it might take to halt the seemingly inevitable march to a 6-figure prison population: Bravery, anyone?

These podcasts don't get made unless Tom Haigh of Sound Post Production www.tomhaigh.com and interviewer Tony Maguire www.boxkik.com decide to roll out of bed. Fortunately for me I still seem to be giving them reason to do so. Chapeau, gentlemen.