{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Omar Khan","startTime":0.31,"endTime":3.318,"body":"Everything turned very serious and he said"},{"speaker":"Omar Khan","startTime":3.344,"endTime":5.85,"body":"Omar, we're dead, we are dead."},{"speaker":"Newscaster","startTime":7.55,"endTime":9.838,"body":"This is how the multimillion pound trade"},{"speaker":"Newscaster","startTime":9.874,"endTime":11.794,"body":"in illicit cigarettes is being tackled."},{"speaker":"Newscaster","startTime":11.842,"endTime":13.282,"body":"And said they had links to the triad"},{"speaker":"Newscaster","startTime":13.306,"endTime":15.85,"body":"Hong Kong's mafia like network of gangs tobacco"},{"speaker":"Newscaster","startTime":15.91,"endTime":18.99,"body":"ford black market making money for organized criminals."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":31.95,"endTime":34.27,"body":"Welcome to heroes behind headlines."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":34.59,"endTime":38.83,"body":"More than 450 billion counterfeit cigarettes are sold each year."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":38.94,"endTime":41.218,"body":"99% of them are manufactured in"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":41.244,"endTime":43.658,"body":"China and trafficked by the infamous"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":43.754,"endTime":46.778,"body":"international criminal organization, the Triads."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":46.874,"endTime":49.382,"body":"If you're a smoker, odds are that you've puffed"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":49.406,"endTime":51.194,"body":"on more than a few of these fakes."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":51.302,"endTime":54.53,"body":"What people also don't realize is that this multibillion"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":54.59,"endTime":57.734,"body":"dollar industry is used to fund a massive range"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":57.782,"endTime":62.254,"body":"of other criminal activity, most notably international terrorism through"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":62.292,"endTime":65.354,"body":"groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":65.462,"endTime":68.398,"body":"Enter Omar Khan, a good friend and an"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":68.424,"endTime":72.478,"body":"extraordinary individual, starting with his family history to"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":72.504,"endTime":75.818,"body":"his career as an international investigator for private"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":75.854,"endTime":79.274,"body":"security companies and intel organizations like the CIA."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":79.442,"endTime":81.622,"body":"Today he's going to tell us the story of"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":81.636,"endTime":84.694,"body":"how he infiltrated the Chinese triads and took down"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":84.732,"endTime":87.55,"body":"a huge part of their cigarette smuggling operation."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":87.99,"endTime":91.27,"body":"He is today's hero behind the headlines."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":93.09,"endTime":96.398,"body":"All right Omar, let's start by you telling"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":96.434,"endTime":98.89,"body":"us a little bit about your background and"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":98.94,"endTime":101.22,"body":"how you got into undercover work. Right."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":101.55,"endTime":106.01,"body":"My father and mother came in the fifties to Australia."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":106.19,"endTime":110.434,"body":"My father was the son of a military man."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":110.532,"endTime":113.374,"body":"He was a colonel in the army, in"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":113.412,"endTime":116.22,"body":"the Indian British Army at the time."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":116.67,"endTime":121.274,"body":"And his grandfather, my great grandfather was a highly"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":121.322,"endTime":126.298,"body":"decorated and knighted soldier and my father came to"},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":126.324,"endTime":129.958,"body":"Australia to study on behalf of the British government."},{"speaker":"Ralph Pezzullo","startTime":130.044,"endTime":132.24,"body":"Paid for it because of the service"},{"speaker":"Ralph 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skill"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":357.614,"endTime":362.362,"body":"sets through him and a couple of other investigators that"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":362.376,"endTime":364.246,"body":"have been around for a very long time."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":364.428,"endTime":368.554,"body":"And so I gained a lot of methodologies and techniques and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":368.592,"endTime":372.934,"body":"ways of doing things which would serve me later on."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":373.092,"endTime":377.7,"body":"And anyhow, my first job was to infiltrate a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":378.45,"endTime":383.962,"body":"criminal gang inside a major cigarette manufacturing company."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":384.156,"endTime":386.326,"body":"And so I was placed there for a year."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":386.508,"endTime":390.086,"body":"And in that period of time, I gained their 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Yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":480.912,"endTime":483.178,"body":"And where are you getting the alcohol from?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":483.264,"endTime":485.94,"body":"I was just buying it up and giving it back."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":487.41,"endTime":490.282,"body":"Gain their confidence by doing that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":490.416,"endTime":491.674,"body":"Never asked for any money."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":491.772,"endTime":492.862,"body":"But I also knew what the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":492.876,"endTime":495.31,"body":"Vietnamese like, which is Cognac."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":495.81,"endTime":497.21,"body":"Cognac and Brandy."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":497.33,"endTime":500.018,"body":"These two are their favorites."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":500.054,"endTime":503.722,"body":"So I had this supposedly connection for that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":503.796,"endTime":505.426,"body":"So I became their best friend."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":505.488,"endTime":508.33,"body":"But what that was, it gave me a really"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":508.38,"endTime":511.538,"body":"good understanding of how the Vietnamese work or crime"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":511.574,"endTime":515.518,"body":"gangs work, which was leading into where I'm going."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":515.604,"endTime":516.07,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":516.179,"endTime":520.474,"body":"So after a while, I was recommended by an ex"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":520.511,"endTime":523.333,"body":"federal police officer that actually did work in Hong Kong"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":523.381,"endTime":529.222,"body":"for a while to carry out or participate in an"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":529.236,"endTime":532.19,"body":"operation in Hong Kong that had begun."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":532.37,"endTime":537.614,"body":"And that particular operation was the Chinese Triads"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":537.662,"endTime":543.986,"body":"were containers of counterfeit cigarettes into Australia."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":544.118,"endTime":546.542,"body":"So they were the source of the counterfeit cigarettes?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":546.566,"endTime":547.766,"body":"Yes, they were the source."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":547.838,"endTime":552.214,"body":"And because of my background and connection that I had,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":552.372,"endTime":555.06,"body":"I was the guy for the job, so to speak."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":555.81,"endTime":559.466,"body":"The counterfeit cigarette industry is massive global."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":559.598,"endTime":563.146,"body":"Its estimated revenue is $50 billion a year."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":563.268,"endTime":566.122,"body":"The loss in tax revenue in the United States"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":566.196,"endTime":569.462,"body":"alone is between three and 7 billion annually."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":569.606,"endTime":571.162,"body":"So the stakes for the US."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":571.236,"endTime":573.36,"body":"And other countries are huge."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":574.65,"endTime":576.214,"body":"Around what year is this?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":576.312,"endTime":578.566,"body":"We're now talking early 2000. Okay."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":578.628,"endTime":579.66,"body":"At this point."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":580.05,"endTime":584.458,"body":"And so with that, I flew across, and I met"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":584.484,"endTime":587.486,"body":"up with the head of one of the largest investigation"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":587.558,"endTime":591.298,"body":"firms in the world, quite well known at the time."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":591.384,"endTime":596.494,"body":"And the guy that was heading it was also ex intel. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":596.592,"endTime":602.318,"body":"So just a side note, some of those large investigation firms"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":602.474,"endTime":608.794,"body":"are headed by a lot of ex intel, and agencies do"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":608.832,"endTime":612.838,"body":"use them for particular or they liaise with them. Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":612.864,"endTime":617.014,"body":"So the line is very thin between the two of them."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":617.172,"endTime":618.66,"body":"Between the two of them."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":619.35,"endTime":623.678,"body":"So in this case, with counterfeit cigarettes, there's"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":623.714,"endTime":625.306,"body":"a much bigger picture to this that a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":625.308,"endTime":628.862,"body":"lot of people don't understand, that counterfeit cigarettes"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":628.946,"endTime":632.402,"body":"also finance terrorism on a large scale."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":632.546,"endTime":634.13,"body":"And back in the day, it was Hamas"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":634.19,"endTime":638.458,"body":"and Hezbollah that was using this as a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":638.484,"endTime":642.07,"body":"cash cow to finance their terrorist operations."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":643.23,"endTime":645.038,"body":"I mean, to this day, it continues"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":645.074,"endTime":647.302,"body":"on, and it's a multibillion dollar business"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":647.376,"endTime":649.958,"body":"that's happening right now in America."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":649.994,"endTime":652.69,"body":"You'll find that half the cigarettes are counterfeit."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":653.61,"endTime":655.25,"body":"It's a huge cash flow."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":655.37,"endTime":659.362,"body":"There's not a lot of, how do I say, jail time for it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":659.496,"endTime":662.434,"body":"And it's hard to detect, in many respects, interesting."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":662.532,"endTime":665.294,"body":"And they're so good that you couldn't"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":665.342,"endTime":668.498,"body":"tell a counterfeit from a real cigarette. 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No."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1439.01,"endTime":1441.222,"body":"What I did and what I've been using for a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1441.236,"endTime":1447.8,"body":"while was another profile that I used on another job."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1448.19,"endTime":1452.778,"body":"My name back then was Yusuf Acram, and I had"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1452.804,"endTime":1458.23,"body":"infiltrated a fundamentalist Islamic group out of Malaysia."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1458.35,"endTime":1461.154,"body":"I was there for three years, and my job"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1461.192,"endTime":1463.122,"body":"there was really just to gather up intel and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1463.136,"endTime":1466.954,"body":"pass it across, no raids or arrests involved."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1467.122,"endTime":1472.23,"body":"And so my cover was solid."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1474.29,"endTime":1475.902,"body":"I hadn't blown it in any way."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1475.976,"endTime":1478.75,"body":"And so my cover was also quite checkable."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1478.93,"endTime":1483.594,"body":"And the other part of it is my ethnicity and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1483.632,"endTime":1488.718,"body":"connection to, how do I say, the fundamentalists at the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1488.744,"endTime":1495.514,"body":"time really sort of fortified a part of me with"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1495.552,"endTime":1499.174,"body":"these groups of these criminals, that I had my own"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1499.212,"endTime":1502.63,"body":"agenda, I had my own thing going on, right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1502.74,"endTime":1505.246,"body":"And this is why I needed the money, right? 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Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1949.99,"endTime":1950.942,"body":"That's what happened."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1951.016,"endTime":1955.238,"body":"So we pressured Rosa into making sure that it was"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1955.264,"endTime":1958.54,"body":"at this place and that we weren't going to move."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1961.85,"endTime":1964.362,"body":"She relented, and it was back at the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1964.376,"endTime":1968.502,"body":"Four Seasons Hotel, but we did expect there"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1968.516,"endTime":1969.714,"body":"were going to be people around."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1969.812,"endTime":1972.618,"body":"So as we arrive, they were"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1972.644,"endTime":1975.018,"body":"there, and they're very good."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1975.104,"endTime":1978.786,"body":"They're spread out quite widely watching you"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1978.848,"endTime":1980.446,"body":"as you walk up the stairs."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1980.578,"endTime":1983.814,"body":"Now, the other part, too, is Daniel is very"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1983.852,"endTime":1987.654,"body":"afraid because there's about, I would say about seven"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1987.692,"endTime":1990.442,"body":"or eight outside and he's already getting nervous."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":1990.526,"endTime":1992.382,"body":"So he spots them. 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Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2030.496,"endTime":2034.418,"body":"So I could see his gut was moving around."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2034.564,"endTime":2036.198,"body":"He's getting uncomfortable."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2036.354,"endTime":2040.266,"body":"And I'm saying to Daniel, don't fucking sweat."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2040.338,"endTime":2043.54,"body":"Do not fucking sweat. Yeah, right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2044.05,"endTime":2046.85,"body":"I said calm down. I've got it. Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2046.96,"endTime":2048.59,"body":"But you're just expecting to meet"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2048.639,"endTime":2050.32,"body":"Rosa at this point, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2050.889,"endTime":2052.634,"body":"That's what we're expecting to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2052.672,"endTime":2055.434,"body":"talk about the next meeting."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2055.482,"endTime":2057.498,"body":"But when you see these Triad guys, we're"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2057.534,"endTime":2061.166,"body":"probably going, this is bigger than that, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2061.228,"endTime":2063.257,"body":"So as we walk up the stairs,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2063.293,"endTime":2067.141,"body":"there's Rosa talking to two men."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2067.335,"endTime":2070.61,"body":"One of the guys is in a pinstripe suit, gray,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2072.01,"endTime":2077.79,"body":"very serious, solid size, mid 40s Chinese, very well groomed."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2077.909,"endTime":2080.286,"body":"And his size, he's very tall,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2080.418,"endTime":2083.81,"body":"which represents the Shanghainese."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2083.86,"endTime":2086.449,"body":"The Shanghainese are very tall people. Okay? Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2086.56,"endTime":2089.714,"body":"And their accent there's a way that they"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2089.752,"endTime":2092.138,"body":"speak that you can pick up, that you"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2092.164,"endTime":2094.038,"body":"can tell that they're from Shanghai."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2094.194,"endTime":2097.634,"body":"So I had a lot of exposure to that in"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2097.672,"endTime":2101.982,"body":"Springvale back in Melbourne amongst the Chinese and Vietnamese."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2102.126,"endTime":2104.334,"body":"So we go upstairs."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2104.382,"endTime":2105.758,"body":"She's talking to this."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2105.784,"endTime":2109.334,"body":"Is a big dining room in the Four Seasons. Right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2109.492,"endTime":2112.494,"body":"The other guy is a Vietnamese"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2112.542,"endTime":2116.394,"body":"guy, small, dressed, very raggedy."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2116.442,"endTime":2120.46,"body":"Actually mid 40s, but very hard in face."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2121.15,"endTime":2123.314,"body":"And I would say that this guy had gone through"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2123.352,"endTime":2128.27,"body":"the war, and he looked pretty hard, but very quiet."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2128.95,"endTime":2132.926,"body":"I could see Rosa mainly talking to the Chinese guy."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2132.988,"endTime":2135.17,"body":"So you said at a separate table, not yet."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2135.22,"endTime":2137.258,"body":"We come through the door. 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Yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2155.116,"endTime":2159.93,"body":"And so everything turned very serious for Daniel."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2159.99,"endTime":2164.714,"body":"As we then went to sit on a table, rosa went back."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2164.812,"endTime":2166.566,"body":"He said, Omar, we're dead."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2166.698,"endTime":2167.81,"body":"We are dead."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2168.43,"endTime":2171.89,"body":"He's figuring out what was downstairs. Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2172.0,"endTime":2174.482,"body":"As he looked in the dining room, he said, there"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2174.496,"endTime":2178.154,"body":"are six ex Chinese Red Guards staring at us."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2178.192,"endTime":2183.494,"body":"And they are locked in. They're staring. You said look."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2183.592,"endTime":2184.986,"body":"You said, we're fucked."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2185.118,"endTime":2187.482,"body":"He doesn't know that I've already figured"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2187.506,"endTime":2190.262,"body":"out how to drop these containers in,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2190.396,"endTime":2191.894,"body":"and I've got all the information."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2192.052,"endTime":2195.426,"body":"He thinks that they've organized this to surprise"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2195.498,"endTime":2199.298,"body":"us, to catch us off guard and to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2199.324,"endTime":2202.36,"body":"see whether we're lying all the way through."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2203.59,"endTime":2206.33,"body":"So from his point of view, we're fucked."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2208.37,"endTime":2212.43,"body":"Until Daniel I said bro, we're good. I got this."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2212.48,"endTime":2213.57,"body":"I said, Relax."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2215.09,"endTime":2217.882,"body":"They come and sit at the table. Your table?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2217.966,"endTime":2219.486,"body":"Yes, both of them."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2219.548,"endTime":2222.09,"body":"So the Chinese guys, he still stands up."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2222.14,"endTime":2223.506,"body":"He's about six four."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2223.568,"endTime":2225.15,"body":"He's a tall guy. 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Right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2234.11,"endTime":2235.378,"body":"So they came over to your table?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2235.414,"endTime":2236.65,"body":"They came over to our table."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2236.71,"endTime":2237.69,"body":"They sat down."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2237.8,"endTime":2241.018,"body":"And at that moment, the phone rings."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2241.174,"endTime":2243.2,"body":"Now, I need to take it one step back."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2243.59,"endTime":2247.146,"body":"So after Daniel sat down and he said,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2247.268,"endTime":2250.434,"body":"Fuck, we're going to die, I could see"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2250.472,"endTime":2253.702,"body":"Daniel turn white, but he was scared."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2253.786,"endTime":2257.574,"body":"And the word shitless comes in because he needed"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2257.612,"endTime":2261.74,"body":"to take a shit with what was happening."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2262.13,"endTime":2263.782,"body":"He, like, soiled himself."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2263.926,"endTime":2266.07,"body":"Yeah, I got to go."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2266.18,"endTime":2272.898,"body":"And so he gets up, and another three of"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2272.924,"endTime":2277.774,"body":"these Chinese Red Guards follow him into the toilet."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2277.882,"endTime":2280.35,"body":"And they pat him down and check him."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2280.4,"endTime":2283.446,"body":"And that sort of rattled his cage even more. Wow."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2283.568,"endTime":2287.598,"body":"So he sat down, but he was trying"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2287.624,"endTime":2289.854,"body":"to compose himself as much as he could."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2290.012,"endTime":2295.242,"body":"So as the Triad and the Vietnamese come and sit at"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2295.256,"endTime":2298.126,"body":"the table, as they sat down, we make the introductions."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2298.198,"endTime":2300.514,"body":"And then my phone call phone rings."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2300.622,"endTime":2302.18,"body":"The one that I asked for."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2302.57,"endTime":2308.13,"body":"So I pick it up and I say, assalamu alaikum, brother."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2308.51,"endTime":2311.91,"body":"And I start yelling and I say, you tell those"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2311.96,"endTime":2316.014,"body":"Karachi fuckers I'm not paying any more fucking money."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2316.052,"endTime":2318.318,"body":"I've given you enough fucking money, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2318.464,"endTime":2320.418,"body":"You get that container done, and I"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2320.444,"endTime":2322.482,"body":"want that fucking container shipped out."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2322.556,"endTime":2324.906,"body":"No more fucking money, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2325.028,"endTime":2325.986,"body":"You hear me?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2326.108,"endTime":2328.422,"body":"And then I put it down as we start."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2328.496,"endTime":2330.378,"body":"And then I look at him and I"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2330.404,"endTime":2333.582,"body":"said, these fucking customs officers, they want all"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2333.596,"endTime":2335.202,"body":"the fucking money in the world."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2335.396,"endTime":2336.906,"body":"I've given them enough."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2337.088,"endTime":2337.99,"body":"And they smile."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2338.05,"endTime":2340.95,"body":"They laugh and they look at me and they go, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2341.0,"endTime":2344.578,"body":"we had to buy a BMW for one customs officer."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2344.734,"endTime":2345.906,"body":"I went, yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2346.088,"endTime":2347.634,"body":"Stuff you have to do just"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2347.672,"endTime":2349.962,"body":"to keep business fucking going, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2350.036,"endTime":2354.042,"body":"And he said and the Chinese go, Where are you from?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2354.116,"endTime":2356.254,"body":"Because I said assalamu alaikum."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2356.362,"endTime":2359.502,"body":"I said, I'm Afghan. Look at him."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2359.576,"endTime":2362.3,"body":"Okay, 47, you want something?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2363.29,"endTime":2368.286,"body":"And when I said that, because there was a part of"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2368.288,"endTime":2372.406,"body":"me that needed to say that, I saw him get uncomfortable."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2372.538,"endTime":2373.746,"body":"He gave it away."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2373.868,"endTime":2375.198,"body":"You wouldn't have not noticed it,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2375.224,"endTime":2376.338,"body":"but I picked up on it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2376.364,"endTime":2378.646,"body":"He gave it away, and I went, you fucker."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2378.718,"endTime":2381.2,"body":"So he was into Arm sales."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2381.59,"endTime":2383.23,"body":"You're dealing with guns."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2383.35,"endTime":2386.938,"body":"So this went on for only a minute."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2386.974,"endTime":2388.926,"body":"Then the phone rings again, and I"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2388.988,"endTime":2392.334,"body":"yell in the phone, don't disturb me."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2392.372,"endTime":2398.7,"body":"You know this pretend guy a new asshole, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2399.51,"endTime":2402.71,"body":"And I looked at the Chinese guy in a huff and puff."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2402.89,"endTime":2403.894,"body":"I said, Business."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2403.992,"endTime":2405.202,"body":"It's always difficult."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2405.336,"endTime":2407.702,"body":"And he smiles."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2407.846,"endTime":2411.55,"body":"Now that me doing that with the phone is a way"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2411.6,"endTime":2415.714,"body":"of extending your persona and also extending what you're into."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2415.872,"endTime":2417.3,"body":"Within a second."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2418.17,"endTime":2421.618,"body":"You give a piece of information in a way"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2421.644,"endTime":2425.534,"body":"that's so organic or appears organic that that sits"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2425.582,"endTime":2428.354,"body":"with them and in their subconscious, boom."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2428.402,"endTime":2429.214,"body":"I know this guy."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2429.252,"endTime":2430.186,"body":"I know this guy."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2430.248,"endTime":2432.202,"body":"Yeah, I've been in a similar situation."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2432.396,"endTime":2435.418,"body":"Now, the Chinese guy was did"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2435.444,"endTime":2437.46,"body":"you understand what his position was?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2438.63,"endTime":2439.378,"body":"Good question."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2439.464,"endTime":2441.65,"body":"Because it's something that I missed"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2441.71,"endTime":2443.22,"body":"that I forgot to say."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2443.85,"endTime":2447.01,"body":"Daniel pointed it out when we were sitting alone."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2447.75,"endTime":2451.586,"body":"He pointed out when he said that we were fucked."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2451.718,"endTime":2452.926,"body":"He said what we've got?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2452.988,"endTime":2456.55,"body":"He said that guy there, he's a red pole."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2456.99,"endTime":2460.082,"body":"And that's the enforcer level of the triads."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2460.106,"endTime":2463.382,"body":"And if he's here, he's deciding whether we're"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2463.406,"endTime":2464.926,"body":"going to live or die or not."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2465.048,"endTime":2466.582,"body":"That's what this is about."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2466.776,"endTime":2471.84,"body":"And so, you know, within the triad sort of"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2472.53,"endTime":2477.718,"body":"seniority Red Pole, even though it sits in the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2477.744,"endTime":2482.522,"body":"middle between eight levels, it pretty much can decide"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2482.606,"endTime":2484.342,"body":"whether to move on something or not."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2484.416,"endTime":2487.858,"body":"They deal with law enforcement and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2488.004,"endTime":2490.714,"body":"intel, so they have that there."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2490.872,"endTime":2493.954,"body":"And if you want to equate it to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2493.992,"endTime":2499.582,"body":"as being the general, the chief commander 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get"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2524.352,"endTime":2528.18,"body":"on side so I can get to where I needed to get to."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2531.07,"endTime":2535.73,"body":"He represented that part of the triad organization."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2536.05,"endTime":2538.67,"body":"And this comes from mainland China."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2539.05,"endTime":2543.074,"body":"Mainland China is where how do I say, the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2543.112,"endTime":2548.33,"body":"very solid structure of Triads are established in."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2548.38,"endTime":2551.798,"body":"You have a lot of loose Triad gangs in"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2551.824,"endTime":2555.69,"body":"Hong Kong that are very different to that structure."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2555.75,"endTime":2558.846,"body":"So we were dealing with serious guys, serious"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2558.918,"endTime":2562.094,"body":"guys that had networks throughout the world and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2562.132,"endTime":2565.13,"body":"had relationships with a lot of criminal networks"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2565.45,"endTime":2568.31,"body":"throughout the world at this point."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2568.48,"endTime":2571.658,"body":"So the other thing that I picked up, sorry, was"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2571.684,"endTime":2574.658,"body":"that I found that Daniel was very nervous because he"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2574.684,"endTime":2577.238,"body":"was surprised by these two guys being here."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2577.324,"endTime":2580.814,"body":"And the first thing that this triad says to me says,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2580.852,"endTime":2584.45,"body":"how do you land a 40 foot container of cigarettes?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2584.83,"endTime":2588.062,"body":"And with that, I look at Rosa and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2588.076,"endTime":2590.81,"body":"I 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yes."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2614.26,"endTime":2617.222,"body":"I said, well, this job is done."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2617.356,"endTime":2619.058,"body":"I'm not fucking doing this."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2619.204,"endTime":2620.498,"body":"And he looked at me and I said,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2620.524,"endTime":2622.334,"body":"you don't fucking know what you're talking about."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2622.432,"endTime":2623.63,"body":"He says, what do you mean?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2623.74,"endTime":2625.094,"body":"I said, who lands a 40"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2625.132,"endTime":2627.03,"body":"foot container full of cigarettes?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2627.15,"endTime":2629.102,"body":"You're going to get yourself fucked up by doing that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2629.116,"endTime":2630.11,"body":"You'll get caught."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2631.03,"endTime":2633.93,"body":"And he looked at me and he smiled."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2634.05,"endTime":2638.99,"body":"It went, okay, you tell me okay."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2639.1,"endTime":2641.714,"body":"And I said, you know, you're trying to catch me out?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2641.752,"endTime":2643.47,"body":"I don't fucking like this shit."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2643.65,"endTime":2645.602,"body":"They said, Let me explain it to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2645.616,"endTime":2647.798,"body":"you as you already fucking know."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2647.944,"endTime":2649.158,"body":"You mix the load."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2649.314,"endTime":2650.538,"body":"So we're going to mix the load"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2650.574,"endTime":2653.97,"body":"with furniture so it can be fumigated."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2654.15,"endTime":2656.498,"body":"And what's going to happen is it's going 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it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2735.31,"endTime":2737.354,"body":"And Daniel is like, what the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2737.392,"endTime":2739.658,"body":"fuck are you doing right now?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2739.804,"endTime":2741.362,"body":"There's a thing that I do."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2741.496,"endTime":2745.502,"body":"You make a deal to break a deal to make a deal, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2745.696,"endTime":2748.79,"body":"And the way you do that, you're basically telling this"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2748.84,"endTime":2753.374,"body":"guy that I can walk away from this deal, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2753.532,"endTime":2754.814,"body":"I don't care about it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2754.852,"endTime":2757.094,"body":"Which validates you even further, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2757.192,"endTime":2759.518,"body":"But you're also putting this guy in a position that"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2759.544,"endTime":2762.362,"body":"he has to pay up something to make this work."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2762.436,"endTime":2765.134,"body":"So I'm in a position of authority, not him."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2765.232,"endTime":2767.538,"body":"So I'm the one that's deciding"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2767.574,"endTime":2769.682,"body":"whether this should go through, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2769.756,"endTime":2772.254,"body":"I don't care what you are, Triad."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2772.362,"endTime":2773.918,"body":"I'm not going to do it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2774.064,"endTime":2775.886,"body":"And I don't give a fuck about the money."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2775.948,"endTime":2777.194,"body":"I give a fuck about the ten"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2777.232,"endTime":2778.89,"body":"grand that's coming out of my pocket."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2778.95,"endTime":2781.0,"body":"You pay for it, right? Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2781.63,"endTime":2785.618,"body":"Now, criminals understand this because it is"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2785.644,"endTime":2789.28,"body":"a way of gaining power, gaining position."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2790.81,"endTime":2794.93,"body":"So the Chinese guy takes a step back, very"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2794.98,"endTime":2797.68,"body":"quiet, and he looks at me and says, okay."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2798.19,"endTime":2800.92,"body":"He said, on the outside, it's real."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2801.43,"endTime":2803.62,"body":"On the inside, it's not real."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2804.25,"endTime":2805.706,"body":"I said, I'm good with that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2805.768,"endTime":2806.73,"body":"That's the Rolex."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2806.85,"endTime":2809.438,"body":"Yeah, I'm good with that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2809.584,"endTime":2811.24,"body":"We're good with that, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2811.69,"endTime":2815.066,"body":"So with that, we get up. Okay?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2815.248,"endTime":2818.486,"body":"Daniel's breathing a little easier, right to a point,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2818.548,"endTime":2821.09,"body":"but he's still paranoid about all these people."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2821.2,"endTime":2825.422,"body":"And we shake hands and we'll meet again."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2825.556,"endTime":2828.498,"body":"As we leave, the Chinese Red Guards"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2828.534,"endTime":2831.662,"body":"are ready to get up, and we"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2831.676,"endTime":2834.7,"body":"know there's another half dozen standing outside."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2835.03,"endTime":2839.15,"body":"Daniel was like, no, we got to lose these guys."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2839.26,"endTime":2843.434,"body":"No, we're going to have some fun"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2843.472,"endTime":2845.21,"body":"and they're going to watch, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2845.26,"endTime":2847.898,"body":"I got five grand in spending money."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2848.044,"endTime":2849.902,"body":"I'm going to flash this around,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2850.036,"endTime":2851.786,"body":"right, as a gangster would do."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2851.848,"endTime":2853.214,"body":"As a gangster would do."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2853.312,"endTime":2855.234,"body":"Now, we're going to hit all the bars."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2855.282,"endTime":2857.678,"body":"We're going to bring all the prostitutes around us."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2857.704,"endTime":2859.394,"body":"We're going to be spreading the money out."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2859.492,"endTime":2862.958,"body":"We're going to be drinking Chivas Regal, right? Okay."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2863.104,"endTime":2864.77,"body":"And we'll be throwing money around."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2864.82,"endTime":2865.79,"body":"That's what we're going to do."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2865.84,"endTime":2867.65,"body":"Daniel all right, get ready."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2867.82,"endTime":2869.886,"body":"We're going to lose them. Naturally."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2870.078,"endTime":2871.838,"body":"We're not going to try and lose them."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2871.924,"endTime":2876.554,"body":"So we start at Kowloon, the best bars, best"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2876.652,"endTime":2880.598,"body":"whiskies women coming around, giving them tips, sitting on"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2880.624,"endTime":2883.874,"body":"our laps, all of this stuff going from 1"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2883.912,"endTime":2885.966,"body":"bar to the next, jumping in Cabs."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2886.098,"endTime":2887.738,"body":"And we're losing them one after the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2887.764,"endTime":2889.42,"body":"other because they can't keep up."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2889.81,"endTime":2891.89,"body":"After a couple of hours of doing this,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2892.0,"endTime":2898.634,"body":"we head towards Kowloon, Hong Kong Central, which"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2898.672,"endTime":2900.522,"body":"is we got jump on a ferry."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2900.606,"endTime":2903.938,"body":"So because of all our movements and quick movements and"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2903.964,"endTime":2906.122,"body":"jumping in and out of Cabs, we lose them."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2906.196,"endTime":2909.03,"body":"So Daniel is like, oh, fuck."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2909.21,"endTime":2911.654,"body":"Oh, my God, we did it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2911.692,"endTime":2913.682,"body":"I'm like, yeah, it's all good."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2913.876,"endTime":2914.98,"body":"It's all good."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2915.37,"endTime":2919.574,"body":"As we get off and on the other side,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2919.672,"endTime":2922.314,"body":"there's another two of them waiting at the ferry."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2922.362,"endTime":2923.75,"body":"Waiting at the ferry."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2924.19,"endTime":2926.018,"body":"These fuckers know what to do."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2926.164,"endTime":2928.142,"body":"And they're on the phone and Daniel is"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2928.156,"endTime":2930.638,"body":"like, what the fuck do we do, Omar? I said."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2930.664,"endTime":2931.938,"body":"It's all good, Daniel."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2932.094,"endTime":2933.134,"body":"He says, what do you mean?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2933.172,"endTime":2934.718,"body":"I said, Just follow my lead."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2934.864,"endTime":2938.81,"body":"So they start following this, and I go to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2938.92,"endTime":2943.818,"body":"the hotel that I booked, the second hotel."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2943.974,"endTime":2945.894,"body":"I said, I got another hotel."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2945.942,"endTime":2947.358,"body":"He said, what the fuck?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2947.514,"endTime":2949.17,"body":"I'm like, yeah, another hotel."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2949.23,"endTime":2952.622,"body":"I said, what we're going to do is"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2952.636,"endTime":2954.89,"body":"we're going to go into that hotel, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2955.0,"endTime":2957.41,"body":"We're going to call up a couple of girls,"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2958.39,"endTime":2960.506,"body":"and when they come up, we're going to leave"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2960.628,"endTime":2962.118,"body":"and we're going to go for dinner."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2962.214,"endTime":2964.022,"body":"And I said, what's going to happen is they're going"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2964.036,"endTime":2967.358,"body":"to probably get into my room, because that's everything."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2967.444,"endTime":2968.774,"body":"They want to check everything."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2968.872,"endTime":2971.318,"body":"This is what's going to validate them. Yeah, right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2971.404,"endTime":2973.718,"body":"And so we leave, and I can"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2973.744,"endTime":2975.426,"body":"see that to stay in the foyer."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2975.498,"endTime":2977.03,"body":"I'm like, yeah, perfect."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2977.08,"endTime":2978.434,"body":"They're going to pay everybody off."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2978.472,"endTime":2979.67,"body":"We're going to get into it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2979.78,"endTime":2983.258,"body":"So we go off with the prostitutes to a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2983.284,"endTime":2989.02,"body":"restaurant and they follow us on the way through."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2989.47,"endTime":2991.3,"body":"Come back, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2991.87,"endTime":2993.426,"body":"Go back upstairs."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2993.558,"endTime":2995.174,"body":"Daniel leaves with one."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2995.332,"endTime":2998.138,"body":"I said, you need to go to a hotel room."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2998.284,"endTime":2999.58,"body":"Just book in there."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":2999.97,"endTime":3004.582,"body":"And then I'm going to stay here, right, and wait a"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3004.596,"endTime":3007.74,"body":"couple of hours and I'm going to send the prostitute home."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3008.13,"endTime":3009.374,"body":"They'll think that we've settled"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3009.422,"endTime":3010.882,"body":"in for the night, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3011.076,"endTime":3016.32,"body":"So we do this and it's all good."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3016.89,"endTime":3020.878,"body":"Next morning, they go, all good."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3021.024,"endTime":3026.7,"body":"And so I then get debriefed by the head guy"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3027.21,"endTime":3030.682,"body":"of this investigation firm with these two other suits that"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3030.696,"endTime":3033.43,"body":"are sitting behind him that don't say who they are."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3033.54,"endTime":3034.834,"body":"And I figured that they were"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3034.872,"endTime":3038.062,"body":"intel or they represented somebody."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3038.256,"endTime":3043.454,"body":"And of course, the head of this"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3043.492,"endTime":3047.138,"body":"company is very excited by it all."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3047.164,"endTime":3049.346,"body":"Like he says, I can't believe it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3049.528,"endTime":3051.17,"body":"You draw these people out."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3051.28,"endTime":3053.174,"body":"How the fuck did you do it?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3053.332,"endTime":3055.54,"body":"How the fuck did you know what to say?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3055.87,"endTime":3057.314,"body":"You weren't briefed up on that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3057.352,"endTime":3058.96,"body":"You didn't tell us about this."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3060.13,"endTime":3061.73,"body":"You did a great job."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3061.9,"endTime":3064.746,"body":"How did you pick the hotel?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3064.938,"endTime":3066.11,"body":"How the fuck?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3066.49,"endTime":3068.582,"body":"He couldn't believe that I was ahead of it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3068.596,"endTime":3072.35,"body":"All right, so I fly back to Melbourne."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3072.67,"endTime":3074.642,"body":"I'm sure he hadn't expected it to go."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3074.656,"endTime":3076.766,"body":"So they were taking a year, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3076.888,"endTime":3079.898,"body":"They couldn't believe but what I didn't know, they had"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3079.924,"endTime":3082.842,"body":"their own people there too, that were in the hook."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3082.866,"endTime":3084.086,"body":"They didn't tell me, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3084.148,"endTime":3086.406,"body":"So there were other people there and they identified"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3086.478,"endTime":3089.2,"body":"them also on cameras and things like that."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3090.43,"endTime":3091.694,"body":"But they were trying to figure"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3091.732,"endTime":3093.63,"body":"out who they were Vietnamese."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3093.75,"endTime":3095.502,"body":"They knew they were key players."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3095.586,"endTime":3099.722,"body":"So what happened was I go back to Melbourne and then"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3099.736,"endTime":3104.258,"body":"I'm called up to go to Sydney, right, and buy the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3104.284,"endTime":3112.18,"body":"ex federal copper that initially referred me to do this job."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3112.63,"endTime":3118.01,"body":"So we meet in Pitt Street in Sydney"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3118.63,"endTime":3122.834,"body":"and we go to the what is it?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3122.872,"endTime":3126.518,"body":"The WINWORTH Hotel, and we go to the"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3126.544,"endTime":3130.838,"body":"top floor, which is the boardroom floor, right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3130.924,"endTime":3135.018,"body":"There is a table that's like 30 ft long and I'm sitting"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3135.054,"endTime":3138.446,"body":"at the end of it and I'm asking the guy that this"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3138.508,"endTime":3141.17,"body":"ex copper go, what the fuck am I doing here?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3141.28,"endTime":3144.206,"body":"And he asked me not to bring any notes either."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3144.328,"endTime":3146.93,"body":"He said, So what is this all about?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3146.98,"endTime":3148.514,"body":"You don't want me to have any notes, but"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3148.552,"endTime":3150.326,"body":"is this a briefing or what is it?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3150.388,"endTime":3152.02,"body":"You said no, just wait."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3152.71,"endTime":3158.742,"body":"And next thing all these men barrel in and I'm"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3158.886,"endTime":3165.71,"body":"talking the head of the crime unit for Sydney, some"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3165.76,"endTime":3169.07,"body":"police commander with his pips on his shoulders."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3170.89,"endTime":3175.298,"body":"And then all these suits come in and 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to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3221.752,"endTime":3224.178,"body":"really dominate a situation when you're undercover?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3224.334,"endTime":3224.834,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3224.932,"endTime":3227.846,"body":"You take control of the situation by not"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3227.908,"endTime":3230.38,"body":"having an investment into the deal itself."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3230.83,"endTime":3232.118,"body":"You walk away from it."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3232.144,"endTime":3233.63,"body":"That's why they want it even more."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3233.68,"endTime":3235.718,"body":"And you're in control because you're getting them to"},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3235.744,"endTime":3239.102,"body":"buy the fucking watch, not you insisting on it. 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Right."},{"speaker":"Omar","startTime":3294.47,"endTime":3297.99,"body":"Because how could this trust build up so quickly? 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From Hong Kong."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3453.35,"endTime":3455.186,"body":"But he based himself in Malaysia."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3455.258,"endTime":3456.49,"body":"He retired."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3456.87,"endTime":3461.29,"body":"And as I'm chatting with him, a phone call"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3461.4,"endTime":3464.146,"body":"comes through and he says, this is for you."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3464.268,"endTime":3466.15,"body":"And it's the head of that"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3466.2,"endTime":3469.31,"body":"investigation firm, that global investigation firm."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3469.49,"endTime":3472.714,"body":"And he said, Omar, he says, I have"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3472.752,"endTime":3475.33,"body":"to tell you something, and I apologize."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3475.71,"endTime":3478.75,"body":"What you went through, you were ambushed for it."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3478.8,"endTime":3481.75,"body":"But we just couldn't believe that anybody"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3481.86,"endTime":3484.642,"body":"could have moved this thing so fast."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3484.716,"endTime":3487.814,"body":"We expected at least a year to infiltrate."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3487.862,"endTime":3489.85,"body":"And you did in really two weeks."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3490.02,"endTime":3492.61,"body":"And he said, I want to tell you what happened."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3492.78,"endTime":3494.65,"body":"He said, what you did was that you"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3494.7,"endTime":3498.122,"body":"opened the door to the largest money laundering"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3498.266,"endTime":3501.3,"body":"and arms dealing operation in the world."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3502.47,"endTime":3504.466,"body":"He said, We've been at it for years."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3504.528,"endTime":3506.77,"body":"It really wasn't about cigarettes."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3507.93,"endTime":3511.882,"body":"And he said, as a result of that, myself and"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3511.896,"endTime":3516.538,"body":"a few others were called into the White House, and"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3516.564,"endTime":3522.0,"body":"we were all given commendations by President George Bush and"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3522.75,"endTime":3527.206,"body":"General Colin Powell for the work that we did."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3527.388,"endTime":3530.254,"body":"And I just want to let you know that you are part"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3530.292,"endTime":3535.45,"body":"of it, and I'm sorry that you weren't recognized for it."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3535.5,"endTime":3536.1,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3536.79,"endTime":3538.486,"body":"And the story wow."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3538.608,"endTime":3542.498,"body":"So it was really about more than just cigarettes."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3542.534,"endTime":3544.214,"body":"It was more than cigarettes."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3544.262,"endTime":3546.658,"body":"Now, mind you, though, what happened after that,"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3546.744,"endTime":3549.96,"body":"it did establish my credibility with these guys,"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3550.29,"endTime":3551.806,"body":"and that's a whole nother story."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3551.868,"endTime":3554.098,"body":"But I ended up in the tribal belt in"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3554.124,"endTime":3560.006,"body":"Afghanistan dealing with a warlord, identifying the smuggling routes"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3560.138,"endTime":3563.87,"body":"for counterfeit cigarettes that were being used by Hezbollah"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3563.93,"endTime":3566.17,"body":"and Hamas back in the day."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3566.28,"endTime":3568.222,"body":"And that's a whole another story."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3568.296,"endTime":3570.202,"body":"But there was an up in that."},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3570.276,"endTime":3574.822,"body":"Right, but that gave me accessibility, credibility, and access"},{"speaker":"Ralph","startTime":3574.896,"endTime":3579.574,"body":"into that, which took two years to do. 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