What's Up Dad?! Podcast | Drifting as a Dad: Faith, Fellowship & Finding Your Way Back

In this episode of the What’s Up Dad Podcast, we sit down with Devin Sierra for a real, honest conversation about fatherhood, faith, and fellowship—and what it looks like when you realize you’ve been drifting as a husband, dad, and man. 

Devin opens up about growing up in a home without structure, how that shaped him, and what changed when he finally found a church family. We talk about why it’s so hard for men to find godly friendships, how to build a small but solid circle, and why comparison and “keeping up” can quietly steal your joy. 

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💬 Question for you: What’s one way you’ve found real fellowship with other men (or want to)?

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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Background
02:49 Exploring Personal Stories and Family Dynamics
06:01 Sports and Shared Interests
09:07 Growing Up in Michigan and Life Experiences
12:00 Reflections on Parenting and Fatherhood
14:48 The Importance of Fellowship and Community
18:11 Navigating Mental Health and Personal Struggles
21:06 The Impact of Social Media on Happiness
23:47 Product Review and Conclusion
37:54 Food Reviews and Snack Discoveries
47:45 Music Preferences and Country Conversations
51:10 Fellowship and Relationships Among Men
55:52 Personal Growth and Communication
01:02:02 Humor and Lighthearted Moments

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0:18

Hey everybody, we got the What's Up Dad podcast here. I'm super excited. We got a new episode. We are with Devin Sierra, right? Yes. Perfect. Did I say that wrong? No, you did not. Oh I thought, man, I attempted every time to A, say the name, but then I've asked people. I'm not sure what's the best route to go with that. So I apologize. It's a Spanish name, Okay. Well, I didn't roll my Oars. I'm sorry. No, you're good. I can't do it anyway. That's so funny. uh well, um, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a Spanish name and you can't roll your Rs. We're going to correct. We're diving right into that right now. Where's the name from them? Spain. Okay. My dad, your dad. Yeah. So is. So my dad's mom is from Mexico. Okay. My dad's dad is from Spain. Okay. Yeah. So does your dad have any, can he speak Spanish? Can he roll his Rs? Yes. Okay. All right. You just did. No, can't. Well, my mom's white. So I grew up in a white house. You take after your mom. Is that what you're saying? In that aspect? Yes. All right. I know you just you opened up a can of worms of conversation there and I to myself, I'm like, wait a minute, you can't roll yours. But it's Spanish. Okay, got it. Moving on. Moving on. All right. All right. Well, we are here. We got the What's Up Dad podcast. Super excited to have Devin here with us today. um You gave us the, uh how do I say this? Your questionnaire that you filled out. I am so appreciative because it was easy. Right. You were just to the point. You had very, very specific answers to it. I love that. But I'm going to ask the question to you that we've been kind of, Ryan and I have been itching on having this conversation with people because we've had feedback. Like as somebody that answers these questions very literally, like not a lot of fluff and stuff like that. What prompted you to fill out to be on the podcast? And don't say it's because Ryan bugged you. it like what prompted you feel like you had, do feel like you have something to talk about? I do. I do. I mean, I don't have your number, so I talked to Ryan. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, I, I thought it was pretty cool. I didn't even know he had a podcast or you guys had a one. I saw it on Tik TOK. So I was like, that's pretty cool. I was like, that looks like Ryan. So yeah, I was like, know that guy. So I texted him. I was like, that's pretty cool. And we talked about it and I was like, why not? OK, so let me ask you a question. If you didn't know Ryan, so I'm trying and I want to get because something we're again, we're getting a lot of feedback on as people. don't have any. I'm not interesting. I have nothing to talk about. if you didn't know us, do you feel like you would have filled out the questionnaire? You still feel like it. Okay. Cause you still have something to talk about or if you have something. Okay. That's fine. And I'm just trying to like break down what I feel like is this psychological barrier that we're dealing with with people. I don't know what you have to touch. I'm excited. Like this is awesome that you're, I'm getting a different view of this, right? Because, um, it's just a barrier that we're trying to break down. We're trying to dive into something new. We're trying to dive into something to break down, like just some crazy stuff that, everybody's dealing with right now. So yeah, I'm take a risk. Yeah. Yeah. Risk taken. I love it. I love it. That is, that is exciting. So Ryan, we got anything new happening right here with the what's up dad podcast before we get into that podcast. No, we're back on our, well, we never really stopped our weekly episodes, but we, a couple guests. I will say that we, um we need more guys. We always need guests. So it's something that we're always saying. Tonight, nothing extremely new, although we have some new special products that we're going to be reviewing. One is a dangerous product that we probably shouldn't review, We're living dangerously tonight....Grayson has decided that we're going to do it, so throw caution to the wind there. Look forward to that later in the episode. ah But yeah, uh that's about it right now. What's going on? uh Spring the weather's changing. I mean, I don't know, you know what's happening as far as Day to day like It you know, it's crazy out there. So you call this spring. Yeah spring. This is not spring, bro You think it's summer. Well, it I don't think it was a rainy today. I don't think it's summer I think it's confused. That's what it is. It's confusion. It'd be winter outside. Good tomorrow. It could be winter last week. It felt like winter. What about you? I'm from Michigan, so This is a Michigan fan, You are an Ohio state fan. Wow. Yeah. I'm a Michigan fan. Ever since I was a little boy, man, I grew up in Flint, It's all around everywhere. Oh, painful. We need to put that on your. Are you a Michigan fan? Like I yes or no question. Okay, let me ask you a question. said that like, yeah, I've one since I've been a kid. Like, are you like, I hate Ohio State? No, no. See, I'm a big sports fan. I appreciate, you know, like the Ohio State, you know, I appreciate has this, this like what they do and everything. Okay, it's like, I can appreciate people that can play well. I mean, doesn't matter. Like, yeah, I'm Michigan fan. But if you get if Ohio State is doing good, I mean, why not roof? I mean, I'm just overall, I'm a sports fan. And I think there's a lot of history between both programs. yeah, I would say that's a hot take because I don't know that every Michigan fan nor Ohio State fan would agree with that. So that's a different, that's a different take. I appreciate it. Yeah. So I'm about being different, right? So yeah, love it. Love it. Sure. I'm a, as well, a big sports fan. It's funny. Like I think a lot of people are like, who's your favorite team? Who's your favorite player? And I'm like sports. I really feel like I say that because I do enjoy, I could sit down and watch basketball. I could sit down and watch hockey. could sit down and watch, you know, unfortunately soccer. I could sit down and watch like football. Like I could sit down and watch them all and enjoy them all. Right. Do I have like an absolute favorite team? Do I have an app? Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's teams I probably root for more than others, or I'm going to root for over maybe another team. But if two were playing, I'd be like, ah, yeah, that one. You know what mean? Like, it depends on the day, depends on who's playing on it. Right. You know, that's XYZ get traded to them and now I'm a fan. Basketball is hard for me. I mean, I love the sport. Don't get me wrong. Cause I used to play it, but, uh it's hard to watch now because the NBA got so soft in my opinion. So, and I played football for like six, seven years too. So, but see my favorite sport to play is football. Okay. My, not, not play watch is football, but to play as basketball and. You know, I mean, it was always fun to like, cause I was a tight end. It's always fun to catch a ball and run people over. But it's also fun to us to like have that they're both team oriented, but basketball is fun to play. Sure. I'd say something before we get in it. We're not spending this whole episode on sports, but I just want to say the Yukon Duke ending at March Madness. you, if you didn't watch that, that is, that was an insane ending. I've watched that video. And now they're posting reactions of fans that were watching it. It is the, it always brings tears to your eyes. Cause you're like, wow, what a, what an ending Duke had to, you know, Duke won the game. The game was over essentially. And just literally to toss the, toss the ball away. Boozer. Yeah. man, what an event. Their best player making the error. Yeah. You know, that's also what's just so disheartening. And I feel for the kid like through and through. He wasn't meant to be there. None of that was meant to happen. But you think bad coaching or bad player in that situation? I think you're missing a whole point here. think great. Great. okay. I actually would say that was the they had nothing to lose. I'd say great playing. I wouldn't say that. Like they were just in the right place at the right time with the right scenario because you cannot chalk that up to have X player and X location to be able to like jump up and the ball goes specific way. Like you can't not chop. Like they just were. Yeah. It was just there. And then a 30 footer to win the game. Yeah. Yeah. man, that's crazy. That's crazy. So good stuff. Good stuff. Super excited. So from Flint, Michigan, how long you been in Ohio? That's 20, late 21, late 21. Okay. Always been in where you always from Flint and then moved to Ohio or so I grew up in Flint and we moved around the area like much of Detroit. But yeah, okay. I've never met anybody that lived in Detroit. I've only heard What I consider as bad things about I don't live. I don't live in Detroit. So, yeah, Detroit, right? Yeah. So like, me, you know, like how is life in Metro Detroit? I'm curious. It's similar to Columbus. Joseph's busy because Metro Detroit is very similar in size. Yeah. Okay. Like traffic, just people, people that can't drive. So, yes. So you grew up there. I grew up in Flint, which is north of Metro Detroit. Yeah. So what was life like growing up there then any different than you would say life? Yeah. Up anywhere? Yeah. I mean, flat was on the decline during that time. then they came up and then went down. Flint, Flint's Flint. But I mean, I mean, mean, they're coming up because they have a lot more like health care going in and like college colleges like MSU, U of M. Yeah. OK. Stuff like that. But they're they're coming. downtown Flint, if you ever been there, I would definitely recommend it because they have like the crime, uh, first of all is like a, um, he's like running. They have like a 10 mile race. It's yeah. You know what I thought you were going to say? Isn't there a place in Michigan that has like a, it's either windmills or flowers or something. What is that? That's Holland, Michigan. How close is that to Flint? It's on the west side of the state. So influence like towards like more east. Okay. So nevermind. But yeah, the running thing not for me, but yeah, maybe grace wants to go over there And they have a car show there too. So it's very um, it's back to the bricks. So they because bricks Uh flint they have like downtown is like a road of blick bricks. So it's pretty cool actually It's like really cool cars and stuff like that. So if you're a car guy like what guy doesn't like cars Yeah, it's really cool to see that's cool. Yeah, yeah Learning something every day. I feel like I never get to talk to people about living in michigan or like Detroit. I know people that have been outside of Michigan. I don't think I've ever met somebody that's like, well, Justin was, but he really talked about moving early on in his life. Well, he literally had a tattoo that said Detroit on fire and he said it was because he hated it, right? something like that. There's a whole other conversation for another day. I might have to go re-watch that episode just to see what he said about that. yeah, mean, he talked about it, but wasn't, you we didn't. Talk about that obviously. So, okay. All right, cool. So, dad's from Spain. No, grandfather's from Spain. Grandfather, yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. My dad's from Texas. Texas. It's all starting to make sense now. Okay. got it. got it. There's stuff just coming. Okay. All right. Cool. Cool. Traditional growing up, parents together, all that kind of stuff. things change. What happened there? So like, uh my parents got divorced when was like nine or 10. I can't remember. Okay. But, I did not grow up in Christian home at all. Not even close. it was more of a liberal home. If that makes sense. That's the best way I can describe it. Politically liberal home or just liberal. Not, not, not political, but just, you know, do whatever you wanted to do home. Pretty much. Yeah. No structure. There was no structure. Yeah. No structure. Okay. No, they won't watch this. So no, no structure. Okay. I'm gonna call. We say that too. That was a horrible episode. I'm gonna be honest with I can't wait for my dad. The amount of times I've talked about my My brother can't watch it. So like I can't wait for my dad to have like he's gonna one day get, catch wind of this and go back and stalk every episode. Probably then really disown me. Shout out to Grayson's mom by the way, if you're watching. Just throwing that out there. I haven't said much bad about you. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. So parents divorced, yeah, nine, 10. Yeah, I feel like that's very similar to us. And then what happened from there? um Well, my, my dad, he moved to much of Detroit Pontiac's big for like, who really want to know Pontiac. He moved, he moved to Pontiac, Arpin Hills area. And then we stayed like in Northern China state County. Yeah, sure did. Is that something you want to break into because I'm curious like your response to that is like, know You talk about a privilege and a blessing, know what it means to be dad. Yeah Yeah, I think I learned that from my dad. Okay. Yeah, cuz you know, my dad did admit to us three boys that he was not a good father I mean, I mean it takes balls to say that I mean, especially when we already know but um But I think it just it takes a lot to say it I mean, I'm not saying I'm a good father either. mean, no one's really like a really good father. Um, but I think we strive to be the best we can be, but he did teach me a lot of what not to do. I think that's one thing I'm kind of grateful for. I want to change the thing. I mean, I can't really do anything, but I think that's definitely something. Make you into what you've become as a, as a father on my own. Yeah. Yeah. But, then like, You know, like in 2014, when I actually found a church family, I think that's, I, you, you just can't do it by yourself. So, yeah, absolutely. But my dad did the foundation of like, you know, he showed me what a family shouldn't be. You know, I mean, I'm not saying I'm perfect either. No one's perfect. And I made my own mistakes, even my going to 10 years of marriage. So. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great because it's great. I say that because we these are the stories and these are the pieces that we can get to when we have these conversations. Yeah, because I won't speak for Grayson because we for himself but I have a very similar story to yours as far as growing up non Christian home parents got divorced at the age of 10. ah And I stay with my dad, my mom, you know, left and all that kind of But you don't learn that about. anybody, right? When you, when you talk about the superficial or the surface level stuff, you know, you learned about their favorite sports teams, you learned about their hobby, you know, whatever is kind of going on, but you don't learn about those types of things. And I, I think that's why we like to kind of not necessarily draw attention to them or bring it out, but it's good conversation to have because so many other folks have these stories that they don't share or they have situations that they're going through because of that potentially that they don't share or they don't, know, And it leads to more difficult situations like drug use and suicide and all those kinds of things. So it's great that you're willing to share. The world's broken, right? Yeah. Just a smidge, right? But I think, I think that's one of reasons why the world is broken is because no father figure for sons or no mother figure for daughters or both really, because We're like, I think we're all millennials here. think, but, think most millennials grew up in a broken home. I'm just guessing, oh Yeah. It in wildly enough, statistics of broken homes and the times that we grew up, you're exactly right. It was rampant. It's rampant. it's actually, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's coming down. I hope so. I do believe it is coming down. Yeah. think because it was also a scenario. household size had reduced, you know, to zero to one kid at minimum to now it's starting to try to turn back in a direction of positivity, right? Yeah. So, yeah. And I also think that, you know, having a relationship with God also is important too, because, you know, we, we tried to do our best to interpret the Bible in our own vision. You know, like what, what is this trying to tell me as to be a husband or to be a father, but, you know, it's, it's maybe it still doesn't make sense to us. And that's all we keep failing every single day. But, but, I think that's one reason why we should have more opportunities to have these conversations. It's all about fellowship too, right? I think that's another thing that's missing in this world is fellowship with your fellow man, godly men. and, And then it's hard to find, especially as an adult. It's, hard. Well, let's, let's, let's not talk about the, or let's talk about the elephant room on that conversation. Fellowship with men is typically found in sports, in your, so your sports, your work, your money, your cars, your everything that is fleshly, right? That's, that's 90 % of time what we have to find common ground around 90 % of the time you. It takes you away from the family unit. It drives a wedge and creates separation. 90 % of the time is it's a place to bad mouth your spouse, to speak ill upon upon other people, to not provide fruitful conversations to one another. And that's the most frustrating part. Yeah. Well, sometimes that's needed, right? For which part? To have those conversations that are not so positive because you know, we're all broken, but we all need to get it out too. Well, yeah. And I'm not sure if this is what you're hitting on. We have a pretty strict policy of, like in our marriage, of not illfully talking about each other. Oh yeah, not that. And I didn't think you saying that, but I want to be honest about that to anybody that's listening. Like that's a rule that we have in our marriage is like, I'm not going to openly speak improper about my wife, right? Like to other men. If I'm going to have something improper about my wife that's going to be said, it's going to be with God or be going to be with her. Yeah, yeah. Talk about it. And I think but in that perspective, a lot of men are willing to have that. then what we find out is when I'm sitting here and I'm not doing it, but I'm sitting here and I'm talking bad about Beth or whatever my marriage and it sucks or whatever this, that and another. You're encouraging and you're encouraging how my feelings are. You're instead of saying, well, Grayson, you're actually the idiot here, by the way. Yeah. Like you, you, should be taking care of her, you should be doing this, have you thought about that? So like, we get in this really, really bad spot, because it's easier to go along with the path of conversation and just be, hey, well, you're my friend, I want to still be your friend, because you might not call me next week to hang out if I disagree with you. Yeah. I mean, isn't that why fellowship with other gaudy men is important? It is. Yeah. But I guess, I guess what I'm trying to say with it is that unfortunately, Men today have a different terminology than what you're saying a fellowship is. That's the hard part. And that's what we want to break down. And hopefully somebody, hopefully people catch what you are saying here, which is so important. There is 100 % time for the true godly fellowship that's occurring. It needs to be carved out in your life. That needs to be carved out in your life. Because if you're spending all your time doing the other stuff, the fleshly stuff in the fellowship with others. Where are we getting at? I agree and we have a everyone not just men, but everyone has a certain nature So it's hard man. I gotta tell you it's it's so hard. Yeah. Yeah, what important call out to Is that yes in some ways we mentioned or we say hey we want this and then when it comes to actually Doing it or getting that opportunity people are like, I'm out, know, please actually I don't want that And I know that's happened many times, like with me personally, or, you know, group settings, or we have uh the, you know, like the fireside chat we had this last year, you know, so there's like opportunities for that, but then people kind of fade away or they don't want to do what they're nervous about or whatever happens. uh So it's, doing both. It's acknowledging it, that it needs to happen, having those conversations and then kind of following through most on your opportunities that you have to do it. And, and I think. I was just talking, I think I was telling you about this and without naming names, we were having a conversation and it was one of those things of like, men seem to think that a godly conversation has to revolve around like these massive sins that we have. It has to start there. It's like, by the way, I think about other women. Hey, by the way, I'm an alcoholic. Hey, by the way, I gamble. like all these, it has to be so like negative focused. The reality of it is those. will be eventual conversations that we talk about. That's the goal to get to that, to talk about those things so that you can have brothers that you can walk in this world with and they can carry those burdens or help assist in whatever capacity that looks like. just having a simple conversation about life in general is all we're attempting to do. It's the juices flowing, right? It's the conversation. I do agree with that too. It doesn't have to be all negative either. No, I think having the positives like, hey, guess. guess what happened at work today or guess what I started or you know like I got this from church whatever it may be I think that's important too that's probably just well probably more important than negative yeah I think there's a whole lot more positive stuff that occurs in the Bible than negative if you really you know what mean yeah in the grant yeah absolutely 100 % it's written to be a happy thing right it is like God's not all just talking about atone for your sins over and over and over again, right? Like there's a positive perspective that we have to bring that table. And so, but yeah, not not say again, sports are not bad and all that's not bad. It's just like, try to create a deeper, more in-depth conversation allows you to learn about what you've been through and see that. You know, you can't roll your arse and it's okay, right? Like I learned something about like Michigan. learned we learned something about and that's who it makes you and as people. It's how how we figure out. didn't realize that you threw shingles at cars, right? I had no idea that you did that as a kid. And that says a lot. I'm like learning, you know, but that's these conversations allow for us to open up that absolutely. One day I'll give you a testimony. You'll learn all kinds of crap about me and I promise you. you'll be to call me out on it. okay. Something you said though, and we can get to the next topic and there's a laundry list of stuff, but we're killing time right now. So it's kind of great. We're doing great. ah you said we all, how did you put it? Like think about the father, whatever the dad we think we are. I oftentimes think men think they're better than the dad that they think they are. And wow, that's a, uh Big statement. said the thing. home. It should at It is home. Because that's the truth, right? Yeah. I mean, in our minds and our dreams, we're like the greatest person in the world. But if you think about it, look at yourself on the outside, you're not great at all. So I learned that recently. I sometimes, like I struggled and I still sometimes do, which I'm getting better at. I used to like never open up to my wife about what I'm going through at work or what I'm going through in my own life. And it was like, then I started to collect for me recently that she's there to be my partner. And she was like, our wives want us to open up to them. Right. And it's like, God gave us our wives from us, you know, you think about it, they're part of our rib. Right. So it's like, and it's like, God knew that we needed to help her. I mean, it's just like, and it really is a gift. And we have someone that's going to listen to us and not judge us. You know, and then also, you know, you find other golly man that you can connect with too. I mean that does adds to the connection. Absolutely. So, I mean, it was not just that church either church's hospital, but, here with fellowship of other golly men, I think that's what we truly need to outside of the family home. You said something I caught there that you said you, you feel like you've, um, realized that recent. Was there something that happened? Was it a conversation or what kind of what happened? Honestly, so I mean, you know, part of it is just like the like the past five or since 22, I lost two jobs within two years. Right. And I think it's kind of like recently at church about drifting. I do know that I didn't even realize that, to be honest with you, the past like four or five years, however long it's been, I can't do math. But I drifted. I didn't know I was drifting. I was drifting away from myself, from my wife, from God, from my kids. And I didn't even know. you know, I think, you know, I think Justine really just like, kind of put me in my place and that's what life should do. And this is like, wow, I was drifting. You know, I didn't realize I was drifting because, you know, I was more worried about like, am I good enough? Like, why did I uh lose two jobs? Was it, it me? It was like, am I even good enough to be a husband or a father? You know, it's just like, and you know, they also know some doors too, of other things that I'm doing in my life presently. And it's just like, you know, sometimes you just got to really listen to what God's trying to tell you even through trials. Right. So I think, uh, the past like two, three years has been a drifting moment for me, but recently in the past, like probably like five, four months. It's been a like, I don't know how to say it, but like something clicked, like, well, stop being stupid, right? I mean, it's great. It's great to have either buddies like that or spouses that, you know, don't just let it keep happening because that's another part of the problem that happens when those situations occur. I think we've all been there. I've certainly been there. You need someone to kind of, you know, slap you almost like, hello, you know, what's going on here? because it's hard to do it yourself and you're right. It's you don't even realize it because it happens so slowly over time. Yeah. And all of a like two years pass. It erodes you. Absolutely. Like physically, spiritually, mentally, just it eats at you. And I mean, we've talked about, I mean, you've carried this statistic and I'm very appreciative of talking about mental health and suicide and the increasing This of that in men today is absolutely rampant, right? And just mental health in general is is rampant and and it is a part of that. It's a part of that. Yeah, absolutely a part of that because when you start to question, am I good enough? Right? Like, you know, and I and we do this with our kids every day and specifically, and I'll call it my middle child, like she struggles with identity. Like, not identity is. You without me saying it, not that identity struggles with the identity of like understanding God making her right in whatever way. And like my statement here is that God made you perfect in you. Like, stop, stop. Like you sit down to struggle to think, well, I'm not good enough. I'm not this. I'm not that. No, God made you that way. First of all, let's let's establish a baseline of God is that and God is only good. God is only going to do good. God is doing good through you. He didn't make you broken. He didn't make you any of that. so we struggle with that as men to see that. Because yet again, you talk like a really uh heavy conversation of losing jobs. Right. m I can only imagine going through that and us as men. And when we talk about being the breadwinner of families, when we talk about all the things, like the weight you have to carry. Right. And we think we only have to carry is wild. It's Unbelievably wild. Yeah. And I think I didn't realize that until like I said recently, it's like, you know, my wife's there. Talk to her. Yeah. You know, I mean, she's more willing to listen than other people. So it's just like even. Yeah. I mean, I could talk to a pastor, but we've been switching between churches and whatnot. But we just got into the church where we're at now. But I'm. It's just like it's why I say it's so hard, you know, this is like you try to find these other golly men or people in your life, but it's still really hard to find them because it's about connection to right. Yeah. It's like, can I even connect with these people? You know, I'm not. I know he's always. I'm kidding. just kidding. We got to have a little bit of fun here, but I a hundred percent get where you're coming from though. It strikes a heavy chord with that because that is reality. And, and this is to anybody out there. And I think this is a very huge statement. I don't care if you're what you feel like is on top of the world or dealing with X, Y, and Z down here. Right. We all struggle in every situation of that. Every situation. There are struggles in every way because, you know, having a family doesn't buy happiness. Having money doesn't buy happiness. Not having a family, not having money like it all sucks. There's all crappy parts to every one of it because some of it brings more problems than others. Some of it removes problems and adds on problems. mean, you name it like it's wild and it is a burden that You know, we all have to struggle to go through. um, yeah. Well, and it comes down to the world will never solve the problem. You know, so you mean to tell me tick tock and Instagram reels and Facebook reels will not solve my problems. Not solving problems. They will not solve it. Yeah. Some really inspirational things that have come on now. Yeah. But I mean, that's, mean, you see that, I mean, honestly, the, uh, the rates of, uh, Well, you got, mean, this, you don't have to look up the statistics. I'm sure it's outrageous. The amount of uh drug usage for, you know, folks in the higher income bracket, uh famous people, actor, you know, all those kinds of things. I they, that wasn't enough. So what do they do? Okay. Now alcohol, now drugs. That's not enough. And it pushes them over the edge. I mean, we just saw on the news recently about Tiger Woods and uh He has everything you could imagine, know, great family. has his son who's growing up and following his footsteps. He has, you know, money, fame, everything, and he decides to do drugs. it just it. That's what we don't know the situation that he's going through or anything. But I can only imagine it's just not enough and it just can't be solved. And so he's continuing to do things to kind of fill those voids. And it's just never it can't be done. Here's the funny part. I know you're itching to say something. I don't think we are longing to find something that is enough though. That's the problem. I think as men, as people, like there's not, it's just the world is making us think that it's not enough. Cause when you do open up TikTok and Instagram, like it's creating this facade, this frustration, this level of like all this stuff. Again, you talk about dude's worth $1.5 billion. Bro, you anything, literally do whatever you want. I mean, you can't do Elon stuff or Mark Cuban stuff, but you can do whatever you want. Right. Like, let's be honest, there's only like, you know, 234 people that can do more than you. OK, like that's about it. You know, like, let's look at the numbers. But it's like, it's crazy to think that. But the world has so many pressures. It doesn't matter if you have one point five billion dollars or zero dollars or whatever you want to call it. It sucks. The world is just not, it's not a good, happy place for us to be at because it's going to continue to throw something. I mean, I bet I joined a call the dad swag, something, and I'm not leaving out the other one. You can find it on your own. And I tell you what I realized, like I'm poor. Okay. And I jokingly say that I jokingly say that like the amount of money in this group that these guys are posting every day, it's like a dude with a billion dollars in cars. every day they're like cars cars cars and it's all toys it's all like debt and like and i'm like where and i started to feel myself like the comparative factor i'm like man they like this is not right how and what and where and why like where's this and then you see all these posts like well i'm not there and i haven't done that no like the comparative factor that we do as men that put ourselves no i'm right where i need to be and doing everything that i need to have and i need to not compare and and holy crap Like it was it was it was bad. It was bad. And I don't know. I didn't realize that was going on until I stepped back. like, wait a minute. That's all cool. Like these are all cool. I should be happy for those guys. I shouldn't be comparative. I should be like, dude, that's awesome. Congrats. My wife drives a Honda Odyssey. It's It's cool. Right. are nice cars. It's nice. Right. It's cool. She's wrecked it seven times. It's fine. It's it works. Like, I you know what mean? Like she's at the same pylon at Meyer. She's reading her Bible I should be happy for these people I should not be comparison is the is a epic thief of joy right and Again, it doesn't matter like but I you know I say that cuz like there's so much in the world that we struggle with so yeah I do agree with what you're saying and I do think I worked in my previous roles where if People all different networks and I found that like people have to hire networks are most unhappiest people I mean they have everything that they ever could ask for but they're like the most unhappiest people they're like married but they seek other women But they had they keep buying Crap that they don't need like cars like you don't need one like why how do you need another one? But it's just like they keep buying stuff. They're they're trying to buy happiness not trying to live and And I was reminded when you're mentioning that about the fruit of the spirit. And what is the fruit of the spirit? And it's none of those things, right? But you think, know, love, joy, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control. I got them all. But yeah, when you think about those, you know, and you think about just your general day, like, yeah, you have all those or you can have all those, you know, and it doesn't include any of these other things that we're talking about. So. And yeah, we have got to do a product review. So uh let's uh let's jump to that. This this could be dangerous. I don't know. Absolutely going to be dangerous. Guys, I'm so excited. You know what it is because you saw it earlier. So that's excited. But as we do this, we're going to because we are like, wow, thirty six minutes. won't buy. Yeah. With you. We have enjoyed every minute. Yes. By the way, usually it's like 10 minutes getting somewhere and like another 10. It's broken up. But I look down like. A ago it was 20 and then I just looked and it 36. Now it's 37. Holy crap. We're rolling. So product review time. We actually have not had a product review in a while since I think we did some sort of like neck massager or something. Yep. So it's a combo. We are going to use the product review to also review a food item as well. I knew I'd hate it. I knew I'd hate it. And here we go. I just know I'm going to hate. Go ahead. You actually will hate one because I've already had one. I hate I'm going to spill the beans. I've already had it and I'm sorry. But my kids made me open one. So nonetheless. All right. So here we go. OK, so we're to look at the product. We're going to look at the food and then we're going to use the product to do that. We got it. We got to fly through this. OK, but first of all, who tells you you chew loud? My wife. Yeah, forget it. It's a woman issue. It's got to be a woman issue. It's wife says so. Oh, man. She hates it. Doesn't it and I guarantee we could all be chewing here and I wouldn't even think nothing out of We're about to chew really loud. So so here's just things listening. Here's the sad part the microphones for some reason when we put it into Riverside to do it It does so we're not gonna hear it. It be a woman. So then yeah Yes, absolutely. All right first food review sorry, I just had these and I need to eat them because You know, we have other stuff that haven't been made, but these look so much fun. Have you ever had Twix? Whoa, that's what they're called. Twix, this would then that look cool though. This is a crunchy cookie and it is shareable size. You guys can take a gander. I'll start over here. Look at that. What I mean, have you ever had that? I saw that in the store and I bought it. I'm proud of you. Yeah, that's good. You need 74 other items. I thought about buying, but that just had to be one. Isn't it crazy when you get in, you're looking for this and you just find a thousand things they've never seen before. Yeah, it's crazy. I love my gosh. 400 calories per container. I know. Oh, share size. we did. Um, I will stop here. We did have, um, have you seen the new ruffles, uh, Doritos duo, the cop, like they took and they took a, like cheddar sour cream and they threw it on a Doritos chip. Have you seen that? have not. Oh my gosh. Yeah. First and foremost, it's so puzzling. I'm not sure I really, really enjoyed any of them. We tried them all. The kids love those. All of those are their favorite flavors. And we still have, I think, two bags of it upstairs. They couldn't finish it because it just, doesn't make any sense. You got the wrong flavor on the wrong chip profile. What did we do? It was like one of our first ones we did. It was a Dorito ranch with what? Pickle? Pickle, maybe. Yeah, Dorito ranch or pickle. Do you shop at grocery stores? I mean, yeah, no, I'd do it. She sends me for you. Maybe he's well off and he has someone that does it for him. No, no, but that's why you said you haven't seen it. But I feel like they're advertising. Now they were super hard to find and now you can find it. So if you go in the store, you'll see it's like Cool Ranch Doritos, but on a Ruffles sour cream and onion chip. I haven't seen that. That's interesting. It's it. You have them here, maybe upstairs. We might. I'll see if I have them still. Can we open this by the way? Yeah, we can open it. All right. Next item. Butterfinger French toast flavored. That's interesting. Okay. The kids ate another one of these. I had a bite. I'm confused. That's all I got to say. You had these though. I've not had those had not had those, but while we are gandering on this, we have a item here. This is by top feel. Okay. By top feel. And we're gonna have to use this. That's why we brought it out tonight. So you just roll in. I'm just at table. It's just completely. Yeah. I'll take that. So what we have tonight is top field. This is a meat cutting knife, but we're going to use it to cut open. It tells you how to actually take care of it. Look at this bad boy. mean, this thing comes at its own sheath. Right. Yeah, you haven't seen this. I've seen it. Oh, my goodness. You're gonna cut yourself. There we go. Yeah, we're probably going to get like derailed or something, whatever they call it on. But check that bad boy out. That's cool. Yeah. You could do something with it. I don't know. is that back here? Is that a bottle opener? What is that? That is, think, OK, to take and pull skin like so it is a meat cutter. So if you're like removing skin from like chicken, you know what it is. Yeah. So field drossadier. See, I'm thinking of a human and then. Yeah. Okay. I don't wonder. We're probably going to get demonetized because of that guy right there. So the goal is we're to use this. So I thought, what better? We have to cut this up into pieces. So check that guy out and it smells. It smells like French toast, by the way. So if you guys are okay with that, I washed my hands yesterday. So that's fine. Whoa. And the color is completely different. is wildly concerning. Instead of me trying to. diabetes or anything to you and if you do it I'm sorry. Nope I'm good. will after this episode. Look at that and in Topfield it cuts a Butterfinger right into pieces without any problems so thank you for sending us this. Super excited to test it out and that was shark. All right we're gonna put this away before somebody gets stabbed. Oh my goodness this one bar contains 40 % of your daily sugars. That's what it should. Okay, if you're going to eat it, you're going to eat it the right way. Okay. I'm going to be honest with you. Who wants to eat 2 % of my daily? I want to, I want to enjoy. You're going all in. So it's by the way, it's crispity, crunchity and peanut buttery crunched us. out of ease. Limited edition. And there's no artificial flavors. I don't believe that by the way, dude, everything says no artificial flavors. Okay. We got in cause you know, we do reviewing stuff. Okay. And you learned tonight. My wife has a We got in lemon electrolytes, like a bag, like scoop you put in a bottle of water. like electrolytes, but lemon flavored. was like, how many is like a lemon brand, right? On the front of the bag, it says no artificial flavors, no natural flavors. Makes sense. But when you go, but here's doesn't make any sense. When you go back with the ingredients, it says lemon. Yeah. So is lemon not a natural flavor? That's what they're saying. Give me a fricking break, bro. That doesn't even make sense. That is the most confusing thing ever. anyways, I'll these off the table. Yeah, I grab these since I use my hand. Take a couple of these. We're to pop some Twix if you want to see what it is. We rate zero to ten. Ten. You can go to point. Hopefully you do. But it's based on, well, it's based on the advertising of it. So. Gotcha. Don't touch them because they'll fall out. They're Twix Bites. These are Twix Bites. This is going be a little bit harder, but this will be nice because it's a French Toast Butterfinger. I'm not gonna lie. This might be one of the best items we have. That's good What's that like caramel at the very end? The very end? does not. Doesn't does it? It tastes like what are those? You get them at trick or treat time. The crispy little wafer ball things. Oh, it's whoppers whoppers. Yeah, those are good. But there's a caramel in it. Caramely whopper. Oh, there? that. Yes. It's like a Caramely Whopper. Is there caramel in Twix? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right or left. That's right. Yeah. 6.2. Huh? 6.2. 6.2. He's a little harsh. Thank you. I'm definitely going like eight, eight, five. I'm going to go right in the middle, like a right at a seven. I'm super confused. I'm confused. It's good, but I'm just confused. I don't mean it's a ball. It's in a ball. how do you like the ball wasn't encased in chocolate, then caramel, then the wafer on the inside. I didn't get that. I felt like there was. Sorry. Okay. Grab one and eat half of it. All right. So we can look inside. I take our salt? our salt? No, just so know. All right. Let's see. See? All right. So we got the wafer and then a little bit of caramel. Yeah. See? If it were like completely chocolate caramel wafer. Yeah. Maybe I'd get like the full Twix experience. That's why you get the caramel at the end. All right. That one's done. six, two. 34. All right. Let's do the Butterfinger French toast. And I'll smell test because I'm not gonna lie. It doesn't it smells exactly like French toast. Yeah, different. It is super confusing. This one is this one is confusing here. Thanks for the big bar by the way. You guys love me with a big one. You're welcome. You like it. All right. Here we go. Thank Outside of chipping my tooth, it was not bad. Yeah. We need some maple syrup. It's almost got it though, but it's like, it's kind of just slightly missing. It has all the maple smell, but think it's lacking the taste. Here's the thing though, this is why I'm a stickler for branding. It doesn't say French toast with maple syrup on it. doesn't know Sam. Yep. There's a lot of ways to eat French toast and you don't have to put, you know what I mean? in the powder sugar, powdered sugar, a little whipped cream. So. Seven eight. Seven four. Seven four. Yeah. That one's confusing to me. I think that's too high. I'm going to go five. That might be the first time you get a crappy score to something. It just looks like a butterfinger that you got. I didn't get a lot of butter. No, I didn't. I got way more French toast. Well, I got the whole middle. Well, that's issue. Oh, you didn't get all the out the shell. All right. Well, that was a ton of fun. got a couple more of those if you want to nibble on them, go for it. Oh, Oh, you. So you chew loud because your wife says so. That's good to know. What kind of music do you listen to? Right now? I honest. Yeah. So I listen to like mostly Christian right now, but I'm really I'm a big country fan. I love country. Blake Shelton all the way, Big Blake Shelton guy. I am Blake Shelton guy. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. How do you feel about Florida Georgia Line getting back together? You know, they're good, but they're not my favorite. mean, if they did, good for them. Are you breaking news? Are they getting back together? I seen Supposedly there's a big buzz coming. I'm just saying, there's a big buzz. I'm excited. We've only, I literally have had the kids listening to Florida Georgia Line for the past three days. We get in the car and they're like, Dad, can I listen to something? I'm like, no, it's already on. I got music on. And so we've been listening to Florida Georgia Line the whole time. GL. Yeah. You might not really kind of urge me about country music recently. CMAs when Beyonce won. Yeah. That kind of like she did when yeah, I was like, no one even knows. No one cares. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You listen to Beyonce's country song? That was absolutely not a bad song. The problem is her husband has so much money. He bought the CMA for her. That's the issue. And that's that was known across the board that he bought it. I loved her shocked look. watched that video. She was shocked. She was not. Those are the most scripted things ever. Yeah. Taylor said someone should have got up there. So can say Taylor's wife. You deserve this. Yeah. Should have got up there. Taylor Swift is not country anymore. Yeah, you're right. don't think she was ever country. I don't think so either. No, she was not country. Yeah. Okay, so big country guy, you love like Shelton. Okay, go ahead. Three, two, one, sing your favorite Blake Shelton song. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. was a good song. love that song. It was good. We got the guitar right there. I can't play. I'm not musically inclined to play. I can't play. Yeah, I can't. That's for my wife and daughter. They can play the guitar. Oh, and there she is listening. I've been waiting for my guitar lessons for 10 years. Very patient guy. Yeah, if you're listening, I've been waiting for my guitar lessons for many years uh That's so funny I'm with you on that. Yeah. Okay. So love Blake Shelton loves sangria. That's a good song. It's very good. you got anything else on the music? you're talking about music not wine. Gotcha. Yes, it was a good wine though. It a good Mexican wine. So yes, there we go again back to your roots half of them. Well quarter of them I have wine. We'll figure out a way to have it. because they run a winery, or own a winery I guess. Sangria or just whatever. The wine that they recommend for their sangria. So we'll have to make some good old sangria next time. And sing that song. And sing a song. Sing sangria? Yeah. There we go. That's good. Episode number two, sangria the whole entire time. Here it is. Okay. All right. Cool. Um, always open up and ask the same question at some point in time and it is time for that. So hopefully you had a moment to think about it. What questions you got for us. Well, so how do you guys, um, seek out fellowship with other guyly men? My circle is extremely small. And I continue to just build on that. But what I will also tell you the downfall is my circle is very small. It's always been small and that's that's it. And I operate in a very small way. A, because my family is first. I what I what relationships I do have, I try to put a lot. That is my effort. Right. And so that's that. I don't know how to say it. That's the best I got. I oftentimes I think that you're getting all the left, all the, all the effort that's left. Cause I, whatever that might be, it could be crappy. It could be good. Sometimes it's better than others, you know, doing this, doing, you know what I mean? Like that's the reality. I give everything I got because I am pulled in a bajillion different ways. My family gets as much as I possibly can get and what has to have me, but there's that, there's that perspective. Yeah. I will say the podcast I'm very thankful for this relationship and I've said it multiple times. Like, he encouraged me to uh us to do this, me to do it us to do this again. You know, this was something that started a couple of years ago and um he realized the need and a niche and something in the community. And in the same way, like our fireside fellowship and um camping trip that we do every year, I've done a camping trip for the past eight years with guys. um You know what mean? And hopefully you join us this year. You know, means in all reality, you know, I invite everybody and I think I say this to be very honest, like, I'm the only guy that invites people. Yeah, there's like eight guys that show up and I invite and I think I've. Added us a guy every year, you know what I mean? And that's OK, but I'm going to continue to do it. And it's not it's not like, hey, Devon, you're I only want you this year and I literally invite everybody that I feel like. should come and find that. And I think you saw that this year. was some pretty, magical is not the right word, because there's nothing magical about God. But like in the sense of like, in a sense of magic, like there's something about that trip that does things to men, right? And it opens up, there are more better, there are better conversations from Friday to Sunday morning. I mean we you know, it's it's unbelievable unbelievable. So nonetheless There's that I mean, yeah, I would say I'm pretty intentional with my relationships and I Simply I'll say just I work hard and try hard on them uh I'm not I'm I wouldn't say that like my circle is small, although I uh Yeah, there's probably a select group of guys that I maybe invest more time in or try to spend more time with just because I think that you do get to a point where it's like if you're trying to do everything for everyone, including your own family, that becomes really difficult. But if there are folks that, uh you know, not necessarily that you have to be close with. but folks that you feel like, I want to, you know, I feel for this person or I understand this person or I know, you know, their struggles or I can relate to them in different ways. I feel like you find those people and then you really go all in to those relationships as best you can. So I'd say that that's definitely a way that I go about it. to Grayson's point, mean, this has been a great avenue to do this, have these conversations. mean, we've met new people, we've met people that, know, we, I mean, uh I'll say kudos to you because literally a week ago, I think today you're like, hey, you have a podcast and a week later you're on the podcast. That's never happened to anybody else. So I think that that's pretty cool to be able to just jump right in and do it. But, you know, so, and that's what it's all about. Yeah, that's And I'll add to what I've realized over the years. Sometimes I show my cards too early. It's like being too real too early. People don't like that. They'll be like, hey, you're a godly guy. Great. That's all we're going to talk about? No, like bourbon too. I just want to know how your life is. You know what mean? Yeah. What I've also realized is you can't change people at all. God's got to change people. The Holy Spirit's got to change people. If God's not calling them to be in my life right now, it's fine. I'd be okay with that. And so I really let God control who's in my life. And I realized like I put a lot of effort in relationships that have not produced anything and chased a lot of relationships that I thought would produce stuff. And that is a fault. You know what mean? It's like, okay. And it's not because they own nice cars or have Lots of money or they do fun things. No, it's just like I thought I literally thought this was going to be a relationship You realize really quickly. It's not that's okay. Yeah, and that's okay. So that is to me one of the hardest things and um You know anybody watching like just that that's what I've realized like I spend less time But I what I what I will say is I altered the way I handle that so it's like, okay Instead of going full force or showing cards or doing all that stuff. I slow play it Yeah, very much so slow play those things now to give them the opportunity and to see where the other person's at versus being on the other side of it. So yeah, sometimes you just got to plant those seeds, right? Yeah. Yeah. You reap what you sow. Yeah. So I mean, sometimes you reap that seed and that seed just like. It's often wanders. Yeah, but sometimes you plant those seeds to get to thinking about things. So I think that's more powerful more than anything to planting seeds. I mean, you, you may not never talk to that person ever again, but, they're going to remember what you said. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what, and I think the perspective of like, be real too. Yeah. Like that's kind of what I've like constantly, like I'm who I am. You're to get what I am. You're going to get me, you're going to get my family first. You're going to get my marriage first. You're going to get my kids first. You're going to get God first. You're going to get all that first. Right. Yeah. I trust me. I can be a really, really crappy friend sometimes. But I'll be honest with you. It's probably because I have priorities that are more important than that friendship and not in they in they should be But I would also expect them to be for you. Yeah, and that's such a weird weird conundrum to be in it's like man. Well, he chose his family Well, you just be real really really really really struggle with that they they don't they don't see that they don't understand that they think Oh, well, why can't you do this? Or, oh, why can't you play softball or do all these things? Like, well, because I support my wife and what she's doing and I support this, I have going on and I'm a kid stuff that I have going on and stuff like that. And there was a lot of times where I would like drop everything again, thinking years and years, I would drop everything. like, Beth, I got to go do this and you got to stop that. And then we're going to make this happen. And, this is like destroyed me. And then I realized like, I'm here. doing something and they don't even like me. Like, sucks, you know? And I tried again. I'm like, why did I do that? I'm an idiot. know what I mean? It's like, I don't need to date you. I'm just gonna wife, right? So. Yeah. And then you just set yourself up for disappointment. Then you are reluctant to seek them out. Like those fellowship moments and stuff like that. I think that's why it's so hard as well, because we've been so disappointed so many times before. It's like, thought this guy was pretty cool. I thought we were going to like connect and then like piece off. Sure. Now he's in jail or something. don't know. I just got to call something out there real quick on your answer because you've grown. You've definitely grown in that answer because we've had these conversations way back in like December. We did. an episode on like New Year's resolutions and your answer to that basically same topic or situation was completely different than the way you just answered it just now. And I, because your answer back then, like when it came to like, I'm going to communicate more, do this or be a better friend was more like you're putting effort into something like texting someone or calling someone. Your answer just now, which is much better answer, I think it shows growth because your answer now was like, no, I'm investing in the things that are important to me. I've changed my perspective. Yes. Yeah. But I mean, it's the same thing, but it's it's how I'm actually viewing how I'm doing it. And before I thought it was wow. A checkbox. Yeah. Right. In a certain sense. It's like, well, I it becomes a checkbox. Give yourself credit. I need to do better. And now I'm like, I own. how I am because the reality of it is like, I have priorities and I have to accept those priorities. I have accept who I am, what I am, what I'm doing and where they are. The priorities are still there. They haven't gone anywhere, right? It's just like knowing that I, if I don't call a tax back or if I'm not doing this, if I'm not doing that, there's a reason for it and I have to own that and I'm okay with that. uh I tried to give him a compliment. didn't take it. I'm sorry. Thank you. I do appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for understanding that I'm a terrible communicator, Ryan. Thank you. really appreciate that. That's the whole. That's a backhanded slap. All right. That is how this goes. And that is that is what a friendship looks like. No, thanks, boss. I appreciate you. Hey, I got a joke that nobody has followed in today. Does. I can make sure I make sure I ask this right. Um, are, they allow loud laughs in Hawaii? That's a joke. Yeah. Do they allow. So we just answer yes or no. I'm going to say no. No, they only allow uh alohas. Got that. OK. So you find this funny today. wasn't until after the fact I sent Beth a reel this morning. I was at the gym. I sent Beth a reel and we're going to wind down at some point in time in this conversation. uh It was conversations that you should like. blurbs you should put in your team meetings and we have our, we have our weekly team meeting on Tuesdays at 1030. And I was like, this is exciting. So I'll tell you what the words are. It was fiber. White tail or whale tail. ah Viagra. uh Protein bar. And crap that was one more. That was five of them. So I sent it to Beth thinking she watched this before the team meeting. I did not use all of them because I felt really irresponsible of using all of them. Again, running staff and stuff like that. I couldn't use Viagra. That was going to be really weird. But I threw them all in there today and I'm trying to wait until next team meeting. I'm going to disclose my usage of them because everybody kind of went like. But then went on like they never said a single word because I'm that crazy like when I said you guys work on the fiber we're like pulling all this together and I just like slipped it in. Yeah. I slipped it right in there like we played a game. You guys weren't able to make it. We played a game a game night. It's like it was called slip it in and it was fantastic. I just that game. No, I do not know. We're going to have a lot of fun with it. Well, is it like Abelib? No, Go ahead. No, no, no. You get a card that gives you a a phrase or a word that you have to slip into the conversation and no one can catch it. So for example, just something like fiber, like, our fibers up tonight. And if you get it and no one calls you out on it, you get a point basically. Oh, interesting. Yeah. You get, you get five cards and you get to carry them around with you all night long. And when you use them, you can go replace the cards and whoever has the in the night, but man, there are some dumb ones. There's some really bad ones. There's some there's some risque ones. Yeah. Right. And then there's some very simple ones like I've catch up on my sandwich. You know what mean? And you're like, how am I supposed to say that? Like, so you just have to figure it out. I got one, for example, that said, you know, they make doughnuts for hemorrhoids. That was I had to throw that in somehow to the conversation. If I recall a chick, a lady. of our group went to the bathroom and came back and that's how you started the conversation back with her. And I was like, are you serious? Listen, that was my only chance to slip it in because when else would I have done it? All right. Well, you got a ton of other good stuff on here. Maybe we'll have you on. love having, you know, open onto other conversations with people. I'm still trying to figure out how people watch The Office for a living. Just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm glad you find your way in it. I love that show. I love the skits in the 30 second clips. can't watch a full TV show to save my life. Well, my wife is, she's like that with friends, but I'm like the, like this with The Office. It's a great show, man. I'm trying my hardest. Yeah. No, no, I don't. thought that was like the same. Yeah. See, I love the office because I like to strive my leadership style off Michael Scott. OK, so hear me out, though. No, hear me out. For one, Michael Scott, he's a great leader. If you think about it, who's which branch is the best selling branch in that show, which you probably don't know is his branch always because he makes it fun. And he loves his team. Yeah. That's Cranston branch. Yeah. So it's just like, if you take the, he, and he took the time to get to know every individual in that office from like the sales team to HR, everyone loves Toby. And then, and then even the warehouse people, he took the time to get to know everybody. And that's what you should do as leaders because you can't lead a team if you don't know your team. Right. And that's why Michael Scott is an excellent leader because he did that. I just have a serious question. Yeah, absolutely. Please. You're never supposed to say, don't take this the wrong way, but don't take this the wrong way. Okay. Journey for looking because you said you've been fired. You will let go or you lost your job or which one of those apologize. Are you fine? They're all the same. I guess I don't know. Um, Did you put that on your resume? Cause I think that's fantastic. No, I did not put them on my resume. I'm going to be honest with you. We have looked at a bajillion resumes and I would be like, that is convicting. Well, it is convincing because it's about perspective, right? Exactly. So it's like us as leaders, mean, leader at home or leader at work, I mean, it's same thing, right? But different perspective, right? You, you, you're a leader. mean, it's just like you, you, you have to know people to lead people. And you have to be like, you have to be relatable to, obviously you got metrics, KPIs, but you got to make a fun and your team has to buy, buy into what you're trying to tell them. And if you're just full of crap, I mean, who's going to listen to you? I mean, I think everyone has to work for a crappy leader. I mean, this is, this is not fun. Micro managing all that fun stuff. So that's majority of leaders. Unfortunately, is absolutely. is gonna send you this clip so you can attach that. Because I think that's fantastic. I would 100 % that perspective you just gave on that and how you just responded to that was fantastic, by the way. So not that I'm putting you on the chopping block by any means. just I find that rather like convicting like to understand like, you know, and a resume doesn't show that by the way. Resumes do not. lie. No. Well, they don't lie about they don't tell the full story either. Right. All right. I get that. That's why I have to it a thought. because he the middle piece and some of the sides. All right. All right. What else you got? Anything else as we wrap this up? That's about it. Check us out on all the social medias and we're probably coming to a fair near you. I don't know. Maybe we'll do a pop up a pop up fair. We talked about doing pop ups. Do what? Pop up podcasts. So we talked about doing that and that could happen still. So I don't know. We might be coming coming to a place near you. No, I'm just joking. So check us out on social media, YouTube. We are still on there. Subscribe, like, follow and share with somebody that you know that might be interested in hearing what we're talking about or being a guest on the next episode. Absolutely. Absolutely. Devon, can we count on you to share this to any and all social media that you have and also reach out to people? If you know somebody that could be a good person. Absolutely. OK, you guys are linked in. Well, I don't want to show but Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, It was not a perspective and understanding of what we were trying to accomplish here. was more just like dads talking. so I have found myself having way more conversations, which is random people, people like just randomness. feel like, you know, and inviting them. Heck, was at I told you that it was at my daughter was doing a cooking lesson with a guy from a Netflix show that we bought her for Christmas and at Donato's. You know, that's where it was at. Don't ask me, whatever. And, uh, and there was like a random guy talking to another random guy, another dad. And like, I just randomly butted in and started talking about the what's up that podcast. Like, I have no idea how this came out. And that's not me. Not normally would have that, but they were like, they were talking about cell phones and we had just talked about an episode about cell phone usage and some capacity with kids or somebody in our circle had talked about that. And I thought it was very convicting. And I mentioned and we talked about it and I was like, Hey, this is what we talk about on our What's Up Dad podcast. And they're like, should listen. And then it quickly went to, well, my next door neighbor just started a podcast and he's doing it with an OSU guy and that millions of subscribers. I'm like, well, we're not that way, but we're doing the best we We do have someone listening on the regular right now from London, England. London. So someone has listened to the last three episodes from London. So London, if you're out there. Reach out to us. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well guys, I appreciate you being on here. We do like a little cheers even though we don't have anything left. We've got little something over there. guys. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for being on and stay tuned next time guys for the What's Up Dad podcast. Check it out. Check it out.