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today"},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2783.7920000000004,"endTime":2786.742,"body":"and sharing everything that you"},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2783.7920000000004,"endTime":2786.742,"body":"have, with all of our listeners."},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2787.052,"endTime":2789.572,"body":"And for those who are interested, first"},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2787.052,"endTime":2789.572,"body":"of all, I got to give a shout out to,"},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2789.572,"endTime":2793.1220000000003,"body":"uh, John Kenny, who was the one who,"},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2789.572,"endTime":2793.1220000000003,"body":"recommended the Photoethics podcast to me."},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2793.1220000000003,"endTime":2794.3320000000003,"body":"And he's like, you got to check this out."},{"speaker":"Raymond Hatfield","startTime":2794.3920000000003,"endTime":2795.962,"body":"And at first I was 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website,"},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2820.759,"endTime":2825.949,"body":"it's www.photo ethics.org."},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2826.279,"endTime":2827.8990000000003,"body":"We're also on social media."},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2827.8990000000003,"endTime":2833.1490000000003,"body":"We're on Twitter at photo ethics and"},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2827.8990000000003,"endTime":2833.1490000000003,"body":"on Instagram at Photo Ethics Center."},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2833.369,"endTime":2836.759,"body":"I should note that center is"},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2833.369,"endTime":2836.759,"body":"spelled in the British way."},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2836.759,"endTime":2838.199,"body":"C-E-N-T-R-E."},{"speaker":"Savannah Dodd","startTime":2838.6490000000003,"endTime":2840.6890000000003,"body":"yeah, so those are probably,"},{"speaker":"Savannah 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