Ep. 48: Carey Kight: From Air Force Bombs to Silver Screen Dreams | Veterans Shaping New Frontiers

Flying high from loading bombs in the Air Force to launching stories on screen, Carey Kight lands in our latest episode to share the trajectory of his remarkable career. His tales crisscross the heartland of Columbus, Ohio to the bustling sets of the entertainment industry, revealing how a blue-collar work ethic and a creative spirit can intertwine to shape a fulfilling post-service life. Carey's ambition to spotlight the Midwest's untapped potential in film and advertising shines through, as does his dedication to family, illustrating the many dimensions of this veteran's vibrant journey.

Picture a world where military discipline is the secret weapon in the arsenal of entrepreneurship—Carey pulls back the curtain on this concept by walking us through lessons in decentralized command and the power of influence over strict hierarchy. He challenges the stereotypes that often overshadow veterans, bringing to light the adaptability and diverse skills honed through service, which he has successfully channeled into his own production company and beyond. This episode isn't just a conversation; it's a masterclass in rewriting the narrative of what veterans can achieve in civilian life.

Rounding off, we turn the spotlight onto the Veteran Made Podcast, Carey's labor of love that celebrates and connects veterans carving out new creative and entrepreneurial paths. Each episode is a piece of a larger puzzle, piecing together the stories of resilience and innovation that color the lives of those who've served. As Carey dives into the growth of his podcast and the vibrant community it fosters, listeners are invited to join a movement that honors the enduring impact of veterans and the remarkable chapters they continue to write beyond the battlefield.

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Flying high from loading bombs in the Air Force to launching stories on screen, Carey Kight lands in our latest episode to share the trajectory of his remarkable career. His tales crisscross the heartland of Columbus, Ohio to the bustling sets of the entertainment industry, revealing how a blue-collar work ethic and a creative spirit can intertwine to shape a fulfilling post-service life. Carey's ambition to spotlight the Midwest's untapped potential in film and advertising shines through, as does his dedication to family, illustrating the many dimensions of this veteran's vibrant journey.
 
Picture a world where military discipline is the secret weapon in the arsenal of entrepreneurship—Carey pulls back the curtain on this concept by walking us through lessons in decentralized command and the power of influence over strict hierarchy. He challenges the stereotypes that often overshadow veterans, bringing to light the adaptability and diverse skills honed through service, which he has successfully channeled into his own production company and beyond. This episode isn't just a conversation; it's a masterclass in rewriting the narrative of what veterans can achieve in civilian life.
 
Rounding off, we turn the spotlight onto the Veteran Made Podcast, Carey's labor of love that celebrates and connects veterans carving out new creative and entrepreneurial paths. Each episode is a piece of a larger puzzle, piecing together the stories of resilience and innovation that color the lives of those who've served. As Carey dives into the growth of his podcast and the vibrant community it fosters, listeners are invited to join a movement that honors the enduring impact of veterans and the remarkable chapters they continue to write beyond the battlefield.

Conversation:
Intro 00:00 Carey Kight Martin, thanks for having me. Man, Did I send you that intro or did you kind of cobble some things together from the internet for that one? I love it, man. You did your research. I appreciate it

Why Life is Great Right Now
01:58 Carey Kight Dude, life is great right now. I mean right now, at this moment, where I'm standing in my bedroom, the sun is out and kind of pouring through these windows up here after, I guess, a bit of a holiday break where it's been kind of gray and rainy and snowy in certain parts of the country. And yeah, I mean it's great right now because the sun's out and, more generally speaking, it's great right now my family and I, my wife, our daughter daughter's about to turn four I'm not sure when this is going to go live, but she'll be four in a few weeks and we're actually getting ready to put our house on the market in Richmond, Virginia, and move back home to Columbus, Ohio, which we are very, very excited about. It's where both of our extended families are from. My wife and I both went to high school in Columbus and she's a working director and executive producer and I'm a working executive producer. We co-founded our production company, slash content agency, slash, whatever the heck you want to call it and she and I actually were just talking about it right before I logged on here.

And yeah, man, life is great because we're getting ready to go home and plant our roots back where we grew up where we have family, and we're really excited to take our work and take ourselves, our work and our lives back home and kind of see what we can build in the heartland.

I spent a good chunk of my adult life outside of the military on the coasts in Los Angeles and New York and I'm very grateful for those experiences because I was able to kind of learn the trade of film production, video production, photo production and advertising from everybody that that works in those kind of central locations right New York and LA to this field and I'm and I'm very, very excited to help continue to democratize the industry and bring more opportunities to the flyover states in the Midwest and the South and other places where right now you know there's it's growing in other places. But Columbus in particular is a hotbed for business, for tech and for sports and for startups, and sports and auto is one of our core verticals and so yeah, man, I'm just life is great because I'm excited and energized to move home and build a strong foundation.

How military discipline supported his entrepreneurial goals and influenced your current ventures
07:31 Carey Kight Yeah, it's a great question. I think the number one piece for me is something that people do talk quite a bit about. Jocko has made it very famous. It's obviously military doctrine and it's not like he invented it, but he made it pretty famous and it's something that other people are talking about now, which is the idea of decentralized command.

And when I enlisted in the military, I probably thought, just like everybody else, that the military is a very rigid place with rigid structures. That requires rigid adherence to those structures and obviously what I learned early, even in basic military training bootcamp for the Air Force, as an element leader, working for an MTI and working with my dorm chief and having the guide on bear and all these different things, is it's totally decentralized command. So there are goals and there is a mission and there are obviously ROEs and if you're working on the flight line, like I did eventually, there's technical orders and there's checklists and there's things that you need to follow in order to ensure that you're doing things as safely as you possibly can as a warfighter, which probably sounds funny, but it's not like, hey, do this go there, do this sit and wait? It's like, no, hey, here's the mission, here's the parameters Go, get it done with the team that you're on within the unit that you're assigned to. And so I learned that really early. An example from my second deployment I worked as a bomb loader, load toad on F-15E models and I deployed once to Bagram and then did a couple of TDWs in between and then was getting ready to deploy a second time to Bagram and I got put on a new crew.

And in the weapons world for fighters each airframe is a little bit different. For fighters you work on crews of three, so you have a one man, a two man, a three man. The one man is usually a staff sergeant or a tech sergeant. The two and three man are anywhere from airman basic all the way up to senior airman, depending on rank and time and service and all that stuff. And I was very competent on the airframe. I had worked on it for a couple of years. I had deployed,  done TDYs  I still have a bunch of different Dog and Pony shows for you safety and the command and everything, and so I was very good at the three man job.

But I obviously didn't have enough time and service to have my five level or even my seven level, and so I was the most experienced person on my crew on my second deployment. But I was the lowest rank and so my mentor at the time, who was my flight chief, was ultimately not able to go on that deployment and so he set me aside before we went on that deployment and he said hey, man, I'm sending you on this deployment because you're on this crew, crew number 52. He goes I need you to lead that crew, without being the one man, without being the seven level, without being the five level, without being the guy who holds the TO and the checklist. You're the guy driving the jammer and you have those responsibilities that are part of your three member responsibilities, but I'm tasking you with leading this crew and teaching them how this airframe works.

The one man came from B52s and the two man came from F16s, I think they came from A10s. So they obviously had experience in the flight line, experience in the career field, experience in life and in the military, but they didn't have experience in the airframe. And so it was up to me to learn how to lead this crew from behind as the three man and get through that deployment. And we ended up being one of the most prolific load crews on the deployment. We got the most alerts and scrambles and all that stuff. We ended up being a really great framework and microcosm for me to learn that lesson of decentralized command, that that age old adage that having influence without having authority is a very, very important life and job skill and obviously you don't want to be an about it. I learned that lesson pretty well on that deployment and that's something I carried with me as I scaled my career in film production.

After working in Hollywood and New York City, what Carey has found to be common misconceptions about military veterans
12:27 Carey Kight Yeah, I mean that first one. That idea of rigid adherence to structure is the is the number one misconception, without a doubt. So I'm not going to beat that horse because he's dead. It is a big one. It's something I've run into quite a bit in different ways, right, like I've run into it positively and I've run into it negatively. Right, I've run into it positively, where people just make assumptions and they say like, oh, you're in the military, so you're punctual and you know you're always early and you're respectful and you're well dressed, you're this and you're that and you're, you know you always have, you know, a haircut, you know you never look out of place, blah, blah, blah, and like, yeah, that's, those are generally good things, but it's also not that simple, you know, as, as you know, Martin, and then, on the negative side of things, I've run into it where you know I had, I had a job, probably through four, four, four or so years into my career in production and advertising, where I was working for these guys that were running a very small agency and I was working across a couple of big accounts with them as a, as a producer, and I was doing a little bit of writing.

I was doing a little bit of producing, I was doing a little bit of directing and I was getting mentored by an executive producer. I took the executive producers, bosses, outright Like back to you know, quick aside in the military, you know, you know this, especially in the Air Force, like you're always doing dog and pony shows for generals and for politicians, right. And so back when I was going through selection, I did a lot of dog and pony shows and then back when I was doing my job on the flight line we would do we had to get called every month and so I'll do dog and pony shows for generals from you, safety and, you know, senior enlisted and diplomats and all that stuff. As long as you're standing at parade, rest and you're being respectful, you can have a conversation with anybody, right, and they teach us that in basic. Anyway, they say you know, stand at parade, rest or attention, answer the question, say sir, ma'am, and as long as you're doing those things, like, you're not going to get in trouble, you're just, they're just human beings that you're having a conversation with. They might be very high up on the on the hierarchy, up the chain of command. But they're still just people and we learned that pretty early on in basic training, and so I took this guy's bosses out and the guys who owned this agency and I'm like, hey, I'm seeing success working on these accounts at this level, doing a little bit of everything.

I really want to get to this executive producer role and I'm getting mentored by the current executive producer. I'm not saying I want to steal his job, but I want a job like his somewhere else. Help me out, what do you think I can do? I started asking some questions and this guy's response was well, you're really, really good at the logistical stuff. You were in the military and we really think that skill set is very helpful to what you're doing now, and so I think you should just kind of stay where you are. I don't really think there's a straight line for you to draw from, kind of where you are now to where this other person is. Like I just don't think that's really in the cards for you. I think you should just, you're really good at what you're doing right now. Man, just stick to that You'll be really, really good.

And I just it pissed me off because I'm like you're just making an assumption about the way I do my job now and where I come from with my, in terms of my experience in the military, and just you're making all these assumptions. Now, what I was absolutely open to at that moment but I did not get, was coaching and teaching and, hey, here's what you're good at, here's what you're not good at, here's what he does that you don't actually see that you need to be able to do, and here's what I think we can do to help you bridge that gap and and learn these new skills. They didn't say any of that. If they had said that, I would have been probably a little bit hurt and maybe a little bit pissed off, but I still at least would have had something tangible to take away. I didn't get that right. I just got this well, you're in the military, so you're good at logistics. You should just kind of stay where you are and keep it moving.

That's not a direct answer to your question, but it is kind of one of those things where there's this just assumption that because you did a certain job a certain way, even if you were a door kicker, an operator, anybody who, like you know, does the cool high speed shit like I, don't make an assumption that just because you did those things, you can or can't do anything else.

I mentor guys and gals who listened to the podcast, who did a myriad things in the military and want to go do something totally different, and what they did in the military has no bearing on what they can do in the future. The important pieces are the experiences and the way that we frame them from the military. That gives us the opportunity to kind of like execute job skills, not technical skills, but more of like job skills and life skills that can propel us forward in any industry. So there's this kind of almost George Bush used to say it's just kind of like soft bigotry, of low expectations. You know it's just like, oh, you're in the military, so you just yeah, no, we want you in our organization because thank you for your service, you know it's really important and we kind of want your insight and some stuff. But just kind of stay where you are. You know this scalable career is not something that it seems like a lot of people are open to.

What military veterans discuss between themselves that they don’t discuss with civilians
17:21 Carey Kight It’s a great question and it's something that I've grown to become really passionate about, and it's this. That's not their fault. They're ignorant, they don't know any better, and I'm not saying that to put them down, I'm not saying that to be rude. I'm telling you, the military member, it is on you to figure out how to translate your skills and your experiences and tell your story about how you can get from where you are to where you want to be. You cannot rely on anybody else. I've been saying this a lot recently and people are going to probably roll their eyes because a lot of people in our community aren't happy about it.

But the Department of Defense is excellent at indoctrinating us into it, because it should be. It is terrible at preparing us for life after service, and it should be. It should not be good at preparing us for life after service. The Department of Defense has one job, and one job only, and that is to fight wars. It is not to prepare us to be civilians again. That's on us, it's not on just us individually to sit in our challenges or our trauma or the myriad things that come along with four to 20 plus years of service in the military. But we need to create community with and for each other. We need to engage with nonprofits. We need to engage in the private sector and the free market. We need to go do these things with and for each other and not rely on this large entity to do it. That's one piece.

Where you come from, the DOD, your branch, whatever it is the other piece is if you're going to move forward and figure out how to tell your story, then it's on you to tell your story to people like me. I told my story to that guy. I said here's what I want to do. His response indicates to me now, looking back, that I didn't do a good enough job telling my story. It's not that he doesn't understand, it's that I didn't help him understand. I think that's a big one right now in our community where people are upset and rightly so in certain circumstances. Obviously, when it comes to some of the physical traumas and mental and emotional traumas, that's a little bit different when our service was. When someone's service directly injures them, then yeah, the DOD has a responsibility to ensure that that person gets the treatment that they need and that they deserve for what they did in service. But the rest of it professional transition, taps, all that stuff. You got to go do that yourself.

Advice to veterans that are struggling mentally and emotionally post military with detachment
20:28 Carey Kight I want to establish again upfront that if you have emotional trauma from sustained combat or injuries or assault or something that happened to you, this is not what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that you have to figure that out yourself at all. As I host my podcast, which we'll talk more about, I'm starting to have more conversations with mental health professionals and individuals that operate within that space. One reason why it took me so long to start talking to some of those folks is because it's not my area of expertise.

I'm very lucky. I have not sustained any of those injuries or traumas, so I don't have them myself, so I'm very lucky. I'm a little bit ignorant on that front. Just as a caveat, I know some people might pull snippets from this and put it on the internet or whatever, but for those listening, what I'm about to say has nothing to do with folks that have actually experienced trauma. But to answer your question and remind me, the question is people that are struggling emotionally and mentally coming out of the military in terms of attachment to their identity.

Yeah, military service is an odd thing in that does consume your life. When you're doing it, I think for those of us that served for four years or for six year’s experience it in a more concentrated way than those of you who have done it over the course of a career, because you have an entire life. You end up getting married and having kids and buying and selling houses and PCS-ing and moving and doing all these things that I didn't do. I did four years one year in Texas, three years in England, a couple deployments and some TDYs, and it was highly concentrated. When I got out of the military I didn't really think much about it. I didn't associate myself or attach myself with the identity of being a veteran. It just was something that I was. I knew I was going to use the GI Bill. I went to Ohio State and made sure that I was enrolled in my GI Bill benefits with the VA, but that was the extent of it.

I didn't really think of myself as a military student. It wasn't until I started to have the experiences of a military student who is considerably older than his classmates and connecting with professors more than connecting with classmates and then realizing that all your friends from high school are graduating from college and they're getting their entry level jobs and they're doing that. It wasn't until then that I started to realize, oh man, four years in the military is like that could be a setback, if you let it, because you're going through things with people that you can't necessarily relate as much to, and the people that you can relate to have more money than you because they've gone to college and they're getting their jobs and they're doing the different things or they're going off on their own routes and things like that. My advice is to oh man, I hate giving advice, but my advice is to do your best to understand yourself and who you are and what you believe outside of the military and then try to understand and look at that person that went through the military almost from that detached standpoint and look back at that person and don't judge that person. I mean, there's a lot of things I did in the military that I don't do now, everything from drinking monsters and smoking cigarettes to partying too hard and all that stuff, and I don't look back at that person and judge that person. I just look back at that person and say, all right? Well, those are the experiences that that person had. Here are the things that here's who I am now and what I believe, and how do I kind of make sense of that? Right, I actually posted something on Instagram and LinkedIn this morning which was it's you know, it's your choice whether or not to and this was in the through the lens of entrepreneurship it's like it's your choice whether or not to be an entrepreneur or, you know, sit within a corporate hierarchy or be an artist or be whatever.

It's your choice to be, whatever it is that you want to be. But your choices come with responsibilities, and those responsibilities are to know who you are, know what you like and what you don't like, know what you want to do and what you don't want to do, and know how you want to work. The last piece is to live in alignment with the answers to all four of those questions. So if you can know who you are, what you like and what you don't like, what you want to do and what you don't want to do, and know how you want to work and kind of what kind of environment you want to be in, then you can figure out how to live in alignment with those things, alignment with those things. That'll answer all, most of the basic questions that you have, probably outside of the spiritual ones.

Discussing the Veteran Made Podcast
25:52 Carey Kight Veteran Made is a project, that's a brand that I am building. I am, as of this recording, I've recorded 78 episodes, getting ready to record 79 next week with my wife.

I started the podcast in January of 2021. So long in the short of my career. I went to film squad I promise this is all related, I won't take up too much time with it, but the long and the short is I went to film school, I went to LA, I went to New York, started working in advertising, had that conversation that I've already described with that guy where I'm working at really strong mid-level opportunities and I'm trying to work my way up into senior leadership, and I was told what I was told. The next stop on my career journey was with an advertising agency that was slightly bigger than the one that I was working at, but still pretty small 20, 25 people. I got hired as a producer to work there and I worked directly for the founding partner, who was the chief operating officer, director of operations and director of production.

And for those that don't know, in the kind of creative space, production is the actual making of final assets. So strategists will kind of build the reasons why you might need a social media campaign or a TV campaign or an online video campaign or whatever it is. The creative teams are the ones who ideate it and art direct it and kind of like here's what we want to do and we're going to tell the production people what we want this thing to look and feel like. So, as a producer at an advertising agency, you're in charge of that pillar and ensuring that you're the liaison between the creative team and the account team who runs the client operations, and ensuring that every asset gets made so TV commercials, online videos, digital banners, social media assets, you name it. So they hired me to do that. The director of operations. About six months on to the job we're about six months into COVID. Nine months into COVID. He's like hey, you're doing a great job. We love your military frameworks and we love that you're not militaristic Literally the opposite of everything the guy before said. They're like we love what you do, we love how you do it. People enjoy working with you. You seem to enjoy working here. Do you want to take over the department from me? Because I don't want to do production anymore, I just want to do operations and I want to help scale this business. And I was like dude, yeah, I would love to do that. I was wholly unqualified. I had never run a department before. I had never been an executive producer before. I'd only ever been like a senior producer, mid-level producer punching up to senior. So I was excited at the opportunity to do that and it struck me.

It struck me that they had such a different response to my military frameworks and my approach to running my side of the business as the people before, and so that question made me wonder if there was something there to explore, and so I tinkered with a bunch of different ideas. I thought about maybe making like a tech platform where military veterans could get jobs in marketing and advertising. But I don't want to code, I don't want to oversee people that code, I'm not interested in that. I just kept coming back to what I do already, which is create content, write, speak, listen, film, video, all that stuff. And so I was like what if I started a podcast? Just what our community needs? Another podcast, another coffee company, another teacher company? I was like what if I start a podcast and I talk to other veterans who've done something similar to me in a creative or an entrepreneurial field, so that I can ask them the questions that I'm trying to ask of myself, which is how the did you figure this out? You were an Army Ranger and then you became a journalist and a filmmaker. You were an emergency medical tech in the ER in Baghdad and now you're a PR agent. Like what, how did you do those things? Yeah, right, and those are two actual examples from people who've been on the podcast Right, so that's what I did.

I started the podcast and my employer at the time was super supportive of it, and so I spent the next couple of years interviewing people, DMing people on LinkedIn, DMing people on Instagram.

My dad had a seal working for him at the time who was kind of like his director of training for the business curriculum that my dad's firm was using and, obviously, curriculum I'm familiar with because it's my dad's material and so it's like and stuff I know plus a Navy seal. So we created one episode and then I took that chopped up into nine pieces of content and posted it from there and then built the Instagram and just kind of clawed my way into people's DMs and onto people's feeds to try to secure some guests and built a nice little guest list, kind of brick by brick. At the end of 2022, I was like, all right, man, enough dicking around on this. I had taken enough time and energy and devoted it to it. That I'm like, if you're going to do this, you got to do this. So for 2023, calendar 23, I set the goal of 52 episodes in 52 weeks, one episode a week for an entire year, and it's January 12, 2024 right now, and I did that last year.

Which historical figure Carey Kight identifies with
36:30 Carey Kight Oh, Dude, that's a great question. Identify with? Damn, that's a great question. Wow, I've never thought about it. In those two I know the ones I want to meet, or I know the ones I want to have dinner with, or I know the one who I identify with. It's going to sound weird and probably arrogant, because the reason why I identify him with him is not because I have any ambition for these things or Because of, like, what he actually accomplished, but because of the character, that that Lin-Manuel Miranda created, which I would say would be Alexander Hamilton.

So I've listened to, I listened to that, that soundtrack, right when it came out. I'm a big, obviously being in in the arts and being in in film and stuff around theater a lot, so I've always enjoyed musical theater and I love music, I've always loved hip-hop and so I listened to them. I listened to the soundtrack when it came out right away, and then watch the Disney Plus thing and I've actually since seen it on Stage. I love the character. So, whether it's the historical figure or the character, the version that Lynn created for the show, but that version of Alexander Hamilton I very much relate to every time I listen to that soundtrack or hear any of the songs or see any of those things which this early version of him in the play right, where he has All of this ambition to do great things and wants there to be a war so that he can go fight in it and wants there to be a struggle so that he can struggle against it once he's done it, so that he can struggle against it once there to be things that he can write about and do.

I love the, the kind of authenticity that he wrote into that play with who, who Hamilton's character actually was in real life, and then how it can compare to those of us that are, that are in the arts and that are content creators and that want to go Do great things. And you have to understand that what you're asking for is very, a very dangerous thing. To ask for the opportunity to do great things is this has danger associated with it.

What I love about that not to make this a fanboy thing for the show or for Lin, but, like I, just the humanity of Hamilton's character, like he desperately wanted to be famous and he desperately wanted to be respected and he desperately wanted to be powerful and he desperately wanted to do all these things, but he also actually wanted to do a really good job at all of the things that he did, like he, you know, he, he wrote into existence this, this country, right, and the humanity with which that entire play displays all of those people and especially Hamilton. I don't think we have enough of that anymore. To your point, right, we tend to lionize certain great people and forget about their darker qualities and in reality, we just like we're all humans trying to make our way through this world.

If a movie were made about his life, who would direct the film
40:39 Carey Kight  I dig it. I dig it. My answer is Jeff Nichols. He made the movie. He's a writer director. He's probably my outside of Taylor Sheridan, who does like Yellowstone and Sicario and all those. He's probably my favorite screenwriter, but my favorite writer director is Jeff Nichols. He did the film, the film mud with Matthew O'Connor. Hey, yeah, he did a film called loving, which was about Mildred loving and her husband, about integration of marriage in the state of Virginia. Black woman and a white man fell in love. Great, incredible film, great documentary that he made it off of too, but great film. He made a film called Midnight Special, which is like this kind of interesting, like cult slash, sci-fi, slash family drama with Joel Edgerton and Sam Shepard and Kirsten Dunst. He's done a couple of other things. He's got this movie coming out this year with Tom Hardy about a bicycle gang in Chicago.

I can't remember what it's called, but anyway, that's the filmmaker. He's a writer, director, jeff Nichols. He writes kind of across all these different genres, it's he's. He's super. I think he's from Arkansas, Take Shelters, another one that he did early in his career. Actor, whose name I'm blanking on right now but I'll think of it. But yeah, great writer, director, kind of love him. That kind of like indie film, feel, you know, but also like really good, I mean I love indie films. I love like 8, you know, like 824 right, they're the ones who put out the Von Erick film and I love those kinds of things. So, yeah, I mean Jeff Nichols would be my, would be my specific answer. But any one of those people who make, make those quirky indie dramadies like that's, that's, I think, my, what with the genre of my, my life would be no, it's good, and I'm going to say it'd be the A24 studio that would distribute it yeah, distribute it, I like the way that was filmed and everything too.

What he orders at a bar
43:00 Carey Kight So if I'm at a dive, bar I'm getting a Tullamore dew neat. Okay, just an Irish whiskey for those that don't know, a real shitty one. It's great, you get it neat. It's nice and warm at a dive bar. It's incredible. If I'm out just like a regular happy hour, I'm getting a margarita. Hmm, if I'm at a business happy hour or if it's winter, I'm getting an old-fashioned. And if it's a sports bar, I'm getting a Coors light. Okay, yeah, it's good.

If there was a GIANT BILLBOARD that he could place anywhere in the world with his message on it for the world to see, where would the billboard be and what would the message say?
46:30 Carey Kight It's a great question huh, the where part is throw me off. So I'll answer the what would it say first, which is stop thinking, start moving, and I think it would be geographically in. Man, it's a good crap, I don't know, man, I'm square, I guess. Right, okay, that's, that's what's going to get the most views.

That's the thing, that's the kind of the kick I'm on right now is stop thinking, start moving. The best thinking happens while we're doing things, not while we're thinking, and I think more people need to hear that. That's actually why it's one of the reasons why I think people do podcasts is like I will request the transcript from you and request, you know my side of this recording on Riverside so I can have it, because I want to go back and like, well, well, I wasn't doing anything other than just speaking with Martin, so I'm going to learn things that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to think about, you know, or say on my own, because it wasn't in this dynamic conversation.

More info about Carey Kight:
Website: https://www.greaterfoolproductions.com/carey-kight
Veteran Made Podcast: https://www.veteranmadepod.com/current-episode
IG: https://www.instagram.com/veteranmadepod/

Books and People mentioned:
Lin-Manuel Miranda
Alexander Hamilton
Jeff Nichols
Taylor Sheridan
Joel Edgerton
Sam Shepard
Kirsten Dunst
Tom Hardy
The Bikeriders
A24

Quote: “To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.”- Bruce Lee

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