(#31) Mindset & Energy in Business and the Online Space with Sarah Cordiner

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👋 Hello, hello! I am thrilled to welcome my special guest, Sarah Cordiner, to the Alchemy Mindset Podcast. 

Let me tell you, this was a HIGH Energy kind of chat with Sarah!

In this episode, we covered so much ground around Mindset & Energy within the Entrepreneurial world.

Sarah is a postgraduate qualified course creation specialist with over 250,000 students enrolled in her online education programmes from over 181 countries.

Sarah helps organisations, experts, speakers, coaches, and consultants to create and launch online courses, coaching programmes, and membership subscriptions. She is also the founder of the All-In-One online business and course creation platform, Matics, which is brand new and exciting. During the Covid-19 outbreak, Sarah donated over $1.35 million worth of places in her education programmes to help small business owners get online.

Hang on tight to this fast flowing conversation where Sarah drops SO MANY GOLDEN pieces of advice around:

The benefit and rise of AI and her psychic prediction of video content.

• Moving away from lack and ‘not enough’ in to abundance mindset
• What you should be celebrating when looking at your metrics in business and social media
• How you should really be viewing your ‘To Do List’
• Imposter Syndrome 
• Comparisonitis
• Why Energy and Intuition are helpful in the work that you do and create.

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So don't look at a finish line. Look at, am I better than I was yesterday? Have I learned more this month than I knew last month? Do I have a new skill this month that I didn't have last month? Have I touched people that I hadn't touched last month? Have I reached more people, produced more content? Do I have more? Stuff for sale than I did last year. You only need to continue to compare yourself against your own starting point and as long as you are continuously improving from your own starting point, and it doesn't matter how fast or slow that is. Improvement and growth in terms of your knowledge, your skills, your mindset, your is what matters my life. X external result. Hello, hello, and welcome to Alchemy Mindset. I'm your host, Anna Hasty, business mindset coach for women and a sound healer. If you are ready to become the most aligned, magnetic and confident businesswoman, you are worthy and deserving of being, then this show is for you. This is where I share everything from mindset, energy, and spirituality, and how to embody your future self in business and life. Sprinkle that with deeply relaxing sound, healings and meditations, and you have the Alchemy Mindset Podcast. Hit subscribe so you always get the latest episode. Now let's begin. Hello, hello and welcome back as always, I am so excited. To be interviewing my very special guest on the Alchemy Mindset Podcast and Sarah Corder is no exception. Sarah Corder is a post-graduate qualified course creation specialist with over 250,000 students enrolled in her online education programs from over 181 countries. Sarah helps organizations. Experts, speakers, coaches and consultants to create and launch online courses, coaching programs, membership subscriptions, and is also the founder of the All-In-One online business and course creation platform Tech, which is very brand new and very exciting during the initial outbreak of Covid 19. Sarah donated over 1.35 million worth of places in her education programs to help small business owners get online. Sarah was listed by Huffington Post as the top 50 most follow. The top 50 must follow female entrepreneurs of 2017 and has had her course creation work cited in Forbes and Times Higher Education, and she was also listed as the number one E-learning blog on e-learning feeds. Sarah is a 16 times published author. And the host of the Course Creators podcast and holds the record for being the youngest university executive director and head of campus in Australian history, a university that was ranked number one in Australia at the time of her leadership and is one of the most remote university campuses in the world. Sarah has won multiple awards in educational entrepreneurship, having gone from homelessness to having a seven figure education service business in just 18 months of moving to Australia from Europe. And I just love being in Sarah's energy. I love it. I love her enthusiasm, her. Spark her overall energy when it comes to everything business, and I know you're going to love today's episode as Sarah shares a lot of wisdom and insights on mindset around what she sees happening in business with her fellow students and what they experience when it comes to them launching and creating their own online businesses. And we also get to talk a little bit about the spiritual guru side of Sarah, which is pretty cool. So get yourself comfy, find a cup of tea or a coffee, or maybe put your shoes on to go for a walk as you listen to this podcast and enjoy my interview with Sarah Corder. Without further ado, let's begin. Hello? Hello, hello, hello. Welcome. Welcome to AAMI Mindset. Yay. I am so pleased to have you on today. Welcome to my podcast. I'm so excited to be here. We were just saying, I can't believe we're doing a podcast on Zoom when we live around the corner from each other. Just been back to Broom. I'm so excited to be home. So it's been great. And next time we'll have to come and sit together with our little cup. Yeah, I think next time we have to come over for the listeners, like obviously we're talking over Zoom so I can see Sarah right now. So we are both dancing and getting very excited. She's got a beautiful pool as her backdrop, and I'm just like, we should be out there just sitting by the pool and having a chat. Hey, I think that's definitely on the cards for episode two of the Sarah and Anna Show. Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. So welcome on to the Alchemy Mindset podcast. Just for the listeners, I was trying to also remember when I came across you, but I feel like I did one of your. Was it like a broom chamber event? You hosted many moons like many moons ago about the moon blogging video and yeah, those workshops. I think I started running those when I first moved up to Broome the first time I lived here, which probably would've been around 2016, 2017? Yes. Somewhere when I was running a number of business workshops for the brew chamber, which I later ended up being on the board for. You came on board to concept a course? Yes, that's right. 20, I think that was the moment. Yes, I had a giant baby belly at the time of running that particular course training workshop. And I remember you, your smiling face, keeping me happy, calm, cool, and collected with all the good vibes. Then baby dropped out and along came covid with it. So I think we all went through a pretty mad year that year, didn't we? Yeah, it was crazy. And I remember like in going back to those early. The broom chamber courses. So you did one on blogging and I think you did one on video. I'm fairly sure. Yeah. And in that time, and it really stuck in my mind and just thinking about our interview today, I was like, wow. Such an interesting prediction. You said something where there was stats out there saying that video content and showing up through video marketing or whatever to your audience, customers and clients, service, whatever. Was going to skyrocket over the next few years. Like it was gonna be pretty much like the number one main form of connection that you're gonna have with your people. And it was like, wow, okay. Yeah. Better get on board with that. And now, like if that was 20 16, 17, and now we're in 2023 and we've got all the Instagram reels and TikTok and Facebooks videos and everything, you know, YouTube shorts and everything now. Like how? Not crazy, but you know. Wow. It's exploded from that time of that prediction to now and it's still going. Is that right? Is that how you see things happening? Massively going. Yeah. I'm just wondering whether I had my gypsy woo woo well on at that time, because I also only being physically pregnant, I was pregnant with this idea that things were about to massively change. In terms of the online business and accelerate at a rapid level. And in fact, at just the end of 2019, I also published a report about how I saw the future of education and training coming up from 2020 onwards. So, uh, I published this in 2019 and I said, you know, we were about to see a massive escalation in online learning. And of course that happened, but what I'd predicted to happen over the next 10 years, Actually happened in the next 18 months because of Covid. So I think the one thing that we can all expect to see, you know, even now with AI being introduced, you know, one day in the AI world, you know, it is like a year in AI world. It's just moving so, so quickly. And I think now even more so. Now that AI has come along, because we're seeing a lot of people saying, Hey, you can just write books with ai, which is great. You know, you can create course outlines with ai. You can, you can write speeches with ai, you can write novels with hr. You can do everything with AI now. And a lot of people are going, oh no, you know, I'm gonna, my voice is gonna be lost. I'm now gonna have to compete with people who couldn't write before. So does that dilute my writing skills? Am I now gonna disappear under this massive wave of information that's about to. Pour out into the world. And I think, actually, no. I think that with the introduction of ai, people who are using video are going to continue to soar and succeed because at the moment our faces can't be completely replaced. Our voices can't be completely replaced by ai. Yeah. And of course there are these AI tools that obviously can look like you, sound like you, but they just lack the character, the personality that we've fallen in love with, right? So I think the people who, you know, use AI the right way to come up with tips, to come up with ideas, to fast track the creative process of what am I gonna talk about? What do my audience wanna know, what information's in demand right now, but then deliver it with their own voice. From their own experiences, sharing their own stories, putting it into the context of their own position as an expert. Those are the people that are gonna be clearly seen to not be faking it, not be AIing it. And those are the people Absolutely. I believe that are gonna really, really advance. So video is the time to get on board. If it wasn't yesterday, it's today. Oh, absolutely. And I feel that's a really important thing that you've said there that. You can't replicate your personality, your character. I mean, yes, we can create little funky avatars like those little, you know, comic emoji, whatever they are of yourself. But at the end of the day, you're a physical human being who has, you know, a spirit and a soul and a personality, and you have likes and dislikes, and those things cannot be replicated. In a way. So showing up, as you said, online is your authenticity, and that's what people connect to. They wanna connect to someone who is real, who's human, who has all the highs and lows that they do, who you know, lives, life, simile, all those things that connect us to our tribe and what brings people into our space. We're here talking about how important our spiritual connection is, and this is the essence of spirit, is the connection to others. You know, we've heard of the old traditional theories, like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and that sense of connection, community belonging, community togetherness. Love. Mm. Those human needs are not going to change because technology has those fundamental human elements and aspects of us are not going to change. No, no. At all. And so these tools are gonna help us advance our lives and help us increase productivity and heaps of different ways. But it's never gonna take away the fact that it's people that fall in love with people. And it's the human togetherness in communities. And I've seen this very much in online learning as well. You know, the communities and courses and programs that come with community are, are actually growing right now when technological advancements are making everything else sort of work on its own. Yeah, absolutely. And in, in a way, like having something that can, you know, create an article for you or give you some sort of transpose information into a way that's, Presentable or however you wanna use the ai. What I wanted to ask was, um, having seen the development of the online space in terms of course creation and Yes, I jumped in on your course creation during Covid because it just seemed that that was, Hey, I was really interested cuz I'd been following you for a while. I was like, I really would love to learn how to do this. And doing your program showed me a lot. I did the whole thing, produced a, a video. It's somewhere still out there. I have to go find it. Maybe I should promote it here as well. But it was all about how to do self massage for back, neck, and shoulders. It was more like neck and shoulders, something like that. But during the whole process was such an incredible learning experience and did occupy a lot of my time during the covid lockdown, which was great. So thank you. But having seen that, having gone from pre covid to like during Covid and now, do you feel like a lot of people feel like, oh no, there's already so much out there. Can I be a part of this as well or do you feel like it's still in its early stages and there's plenty more space for more things? It's, this is such a brilliant question. Uh, obviously we are seeing a huge flood of people move into the online space, particularly over the last, you know, two to three years since. 20, early 2020 when people have realized that the online world is a huge opportunity for business to share your passions, to express the things that you love, to be creative, to turn things that you adore into income streams. And yes, millions and millions and millions of people have joined the online business world since 2020. And I've had a huge number of people come to me over the last two years and say, Is there room for me? Can I compete? It's flooded. You know, we're in a red ocean instead of a blue one. I, there's so much competition in my field. Is it worth me bothering with this? And this is where we just have to pause for a moment and just remember that at the time of filming this today, over half of the world, Doesn't yet have the internet over half of the world. We are the first bunch of generations together to ever be in online business, to have ever have had the internet and had the opportunity to sell our knowledge and our passions online. We are at the absolute forefront of the wave that has not even yet rolled in. Wow. So when you are sitting there thinking, you know, there's not enough for me. There's no space for me. Please step back and remember, there are 3.7 billion people who do not even yet have the internet, let alone created accounts, and we also have to remember, Then unless you've got 7.9 billion, you know, spaces on your list of people to serve, there is more than enough business to go around to help all of us. Absolutely. And I was actually just having a consult call with a client this morning who works, for instance, she's, this particular lady is a divorce coach and she says, you know, I, you know, I feel like I've got through all the people I can get through. The point is there are always babies being born. They are our future customers. They're gonna keep pouring through the door. There's always gonna, people getting married, there's always gonna be people getting older. There's always gonna be people getting divorced. There's always gonna be people going through spiritual transformation. There's always gonna be people that wanna start an online business. So we have to remember that we are not in a fixed location. And you know, there are always gonna be people. We help this group of people, they move on. They've been helped a whole new group of people now become our potential customers. There is no running out. There is no limit. There is no scarcity. We need to remember, this is one huge, great flowing system and as more go, more come in and flow as well. So please ever think there is not space for you. There is definitely space for everyone, and even if half of the half of the world that are on the internet right now, we're all teaching the same thing. We'd all still have customers because we're all such different people. Mm. That is such a. Big thing to remember, and I love it how you've reminded us that, you know, there is plenty more, there's an abundance of it. Like there's always going to be a new cycle and a new wave of people coming through no matter what you are teaching or what your service is, whatever your business is. And that's a really good one to remember when you know, as you said, to take that step back and think, all right, I'm one person in, what is it like? Seven, 8 billion people. That's a billion people. A billion. A billion. Like that is a huge number. Like if, oh gosh, you know, that's a number that just blows my mind anyway. And you're one of them. And like you said, like can you service all of them? Probably not. Of course you can. You're only gonna be attracting the ones that you can. And also as a business owner, you're only really going to be attracting the number of people that you are probably gonna feel right serving at that moment in time. As much as, and I think we all have this moment where we sometimes we underestimate the power of number when we are on the internet because numbers are not relative when we're in the digital space. For example, so many people say to me, I help people, you know, grade their social media channels and I help them create video to get seen as an expert in their field. And people go, oh, my videos are really getting a hundred views. I'm only a hundred views on my videos. I'm. And I'm like, whoa. Deep breath. Let's just sit back a minute. Imagine, imagine walking into a room where you are standing on the stage about to speak and there are 100 human beings sat in front of you. Can you imagine standing on the stage with a hundred people in the room? That is a hundred lives that you are touching, and I think we lose this reality, this relative perspective when we are in the online space. Absolutely. Now imagine if all of those 100 people bought something from you today that you are selling right now. Right? That's a damn good sales day. And we have. 8 billion of those people potentially not at the moment, cuz only 3.5 of them are on the internet. Right. But we have that billions of these people that we can reach a hundred would change our lives completely. But I, I have a subscription I teach people with about getting subscription models coming in. And if you are charging, um, $47 a month for your subscription and you've got a hundred people in that, that's $5,000 a month. Every single month. Most people could quit their jobs for that. So never underestimate you think there's not enough for me, there's not enough space, there's not enough people. There absolutely is. And you probably already have access to them right now with the level of marketing you've already got in place to dramatically change your life if you're simply brave enough to go out there and start trying. Absolutely. So yeah, you were saying that you know, 100 people is even. Still a lot of people coming across the videos or your lives or your content, and it's so true. Like that exact analogy you've given is something I remind myself often that if a hundred people were in the room and I was standing up there doing that exact video at that time, that's incredible. That's a hundred people. And then. If you sell one thing to those a hundred people, that's not gonna be the last thing you may ever, ever sell. You may end up selling another thing to them and another thing, and then they may refer more people to buy your thing. So, like you said, there's never a moment where it's just gonna be without. There's always gonna be plenty more and. The way that I see business, there's always ebb and flows. Like some people will be in your circle for a while and they'll be like, nah, I'm done. I've received what I needed from you, and they're ready to move on to the next thing. That's great. Amazing. Good for them. But then there's some people who will stay in your circle forever because they just love what you do and they, they're always hanging on for the next thing, and that's incredible too. So that's it. And I think that in order for us to keep that flow going, We have to keep flowing and going ourselves. And one of the things that I see when, you know, people go out there either for the first time, they start selling their first products, their first courses, their first online services, or they start doing social media content and it doesn't go viral overnight, and they don't have. CNN banging on their door going, you're the best in the world. They think, oh no, I've failed. I'm not made out for this business stuff. I'm not cut out for this. I'm rubbish. And this is where again, I have to say, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, stop. What we seem to do, what we often do when we walk into business or a new product or service, is we look at. Somebody else who's already successful. We look at somebody else's year 15, you know, and they've got the big followings, they've got the big communities, they've got the big dollars coming in, and we are comparing that to our day one, our week one, our year one. And of course it's gonna knock us back and make us feel smaller and make us feel like we are not good enough. We have to remember. That we are in very different stages of the journey, and that is very, a very important part. The other thing is that we have to remember that success doesn't come overnight, and we often expect it of ourselves. I mean, you wouldn't pick up a little tiny seed. And if anyone who's done this as a kid, you know, taken an apple seed, you've put it in a little plastic cup on the window sill and you've patiently watered it every day for a few weeks and waited for the little apple seed to pop out, right? No one goes up to that little seed and goes. Hurry up and grow. You're not growing fast enough, like you don't do that to your little seeds on the windowsill, but why do we do it to ourselves? I see business owners doing this every single day. We do one thing, the equivalent of watering ourselves once we wait a week, the equivalent of a seed sat in a pot of soil for a week, and we say to ourselves, we've not grown into an oak tree yet. What's wrong with me? I'm rubbish. I'm a failure. Stop. Just like it takes nine months. We've got beautiful Ava here on the show today. Gorgeous little Bubba. We wouldn't expect her to turn into a full grain adult human in a day. No, not at all. She's had to cook for a while, right, mama? Yeah, exactly. Nine months. You know, it took a while to get there, but. Nearly didn't make it. Listen, and this is the point. When we're building and creating anything, it takes time. You don't expect the seed to become an oak tree by next week. You don't expect the newborn baby to turn into a fully fledged, you know, adult earning degree, qualified human being. By the time it's one years old. And we also also need to make sure that we're expecting the right expectations upon ourselves. At the same time too, be consistent. Keep marketing, keep putting yourself out there so that those 10 people, those 15 people, those 100 people, Just keep trickling through over and over and over. Eventually that tiny little trickle becomes a stream, which becomes a flood, and hopefully, you know you're gonna be sailing on that ship one day across a mighty ocean that you've forged for yourself. Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like everything you've said, I'm just standing here going, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's so true. It does take baby steps. It does take little things that create the momentum and. The, you know, it's like a, a rolling stone gathers no moss. So you've gotta keep the momentum, you've gotta keep going with it, being persistent. Being consistent as well to generate that audience that the impacts the getting yourself out there. It's all of that just to, but also not getting yourself too caught up in the moment of that person that I admire, who I aspire to and I want to get to eventually, you know, they've got it all, you know, it's so easy for them, blah, blah, blah. They've probably sweated a lot to get there, and they didn't happen overnight as well, and I'm sure you can attest to that too. Oh yeah. And look, somebody else's success isn't a sign of our failure. Just because somebody else is succeeding doesn't mean that we are not. It just means that we are not at that stage that they're at yet. And the fact that somebody else has got there is an absolute sign. That we can do. So we just gotta take more inspiration from our competition or those ahead of us, rather than using it as a another, another way, another reason for us as business owners and parents to knock ourselves down and take another chip out of ourselves. Yeah, absolutely. And do you feel like that's like one of the biggest mindset challenges your students? Have is that belief of I'm not a success, I'm a failure because I haven't made it to the level that I wanna be within like 24 hours or not as fast as what they Yeah, I, there's a couple of things that holds anyone back in business. Right. And depends that you're at. And I find that there's actually a really interesting phenomenon that happens. I've been in business now for well over 15 years and I've seen myself go through different stages. I remember thinking, you know, one day if I make my first a hundred thousand dollars, I have made it right and then I got there. But you have. New challenges you have new ways in which you have to grow, new things that you have to learn. Then I remember going, when I make my first million dollars, that's it. I've made it. And I was so, you know, jealous or, and inspired and intimidated by and encouraged by people who were at the million dollar mark. And I was thinking, when I get there, it will all be great. I get there. There's new challenges. Again, completely different things I have to learn and deal with new things that I'm afraid of, new things that make me feel small and so it goes. All the time. Those people that have not yet started who are thinking, how could I possibly even compete against those people that are ahead of me, that have that imposter syndrome, who am I to be heard? Who am I to make a difference? How am I going to help anyone? I'm not qualified enough. I'm not pretty enough. I don't have enough followers yet. I haven't done enough research, whatever it might be. That we talk ourselves outta being who we are and sharing what we already know. And that's all you have to do to start. You share what you already know in the way that you already know how. The more you do it, the more practice, the better you get at it. And then there's those people that have already started and they put out those first few bits of information and because it's not an overnight success, they think that they failed as well. We actually need to take a step back. I believe in entrepreneurship and see this as not, there's not a destination. You know, when I was saying, When I make the first six figures, when I make the first million dollars, when I get my first a hundred customers, whatever the number is that we've put on ourselves, right? Whenever I afford that big house, we often go into entrepreneurship thinking there's a destination, there's a finish line or a series of finish lines, and there is absolutely not a finish line in business unless you're intending to sell it one day. The finish line is, Get my business to a certain capacity so I can sell the thing. If this is your business and this is something that you intend to live in, it is your life. None of us really want our lives to end, hopefully, right? And if you are there, please talk to somebody. This is something that is infinite. It should be going on forever. So don't look at a finish line. Look at am I. Better than I was yesterday. Have I learned more this month than I knew last month? Do I have a new skill this month that I didn't have last month? Have I touched people that I hadn't touched last month? Have I reached more people, produced more content? Do I have more stuff for sale than I did last year? You only need to continue to compare yourself against your own starting point, and as long as you are continuously improving. From your own starting point, and it doesn't matter how fast or slow that is, improvement and growth in terms of your knowledge, your skills, your mindset, your peace is what matters over my life will be better if I get X external result. Yeah, I believe that 100% because I think it was the other day I was filling out a form. I think I was actually going through my quarterly goals, which I've often found is quite a really good exercise cuz it helps you just look back as to what you set as a goal, but reflect on what you have and not in a way of like, not in a way of, oh, I didn't do that thing. It was more going back and going, wow, actually I did do a lot. That month, you know, I did get through a lot of things and even now, like with Ava on board, I feel like my time is so stretched. You would know with your kids as well that you know, you've gotta work like twice as fast and efficiently and you know, for me, I just have to suck up every single moment. I can get it all done, but when I reflect on the goals I'm like, or the things I had set out, I was like, wow, actually I've done a lot. It might not feel like a lot, but in the big cogs and wheels of my business, it's actually a lot. So I think it's a great thing, as you were saying, to stop and reflect on what you have learned, what you have done, what you have achieved. Because they might seem little or maybe not as exciting as like a 10 k month or you know, you've hit your whatever, you know, financial goal. It's a good reflection and a reminder of you're that many steps closer. To where you are to not, as you said, the destination. And I think that's a great reminder as well. But you know, the next part of your business journey of what you are working towards really. So, yeah, and I love that you've talked about to-do lists there because I think that's another real source of anxiety and stress for a lot of us business owners is we have this to-do list. So we think if I finish the to-do list, then I will feel comfortable and unstressed and relaxed and free. The reality is it's our business is a living, breathing entity. So that to-do list hopefully should never end, right? Just like the farm is living and breathing the animals and the plants living and breathing, the seasons continue to turn. There's always gonna be a job to do on the farm unless everything's dead and it's gonna be the same in business. So I think again, we have to stop seeing our to-do list to something that if we finish, we will be okay. We will never finish it. It shouldn't ever be finished. And actually how we manage that to-do list, we'll come back and manage how we feel, our heads, our mindsets, our mental health in our business as well. I certainly like you. I have a a 90 day plan. It's a really cool book called The 12 Week Year, which I highly recommend. Everybody reads, work, talks about how we overestimate what we can do in a year and underestimate what we can do in a month. And so if we take the year and break it down into four years, four. Three month years, we actually get a lot more done. And this then enables us to look at our to-do list and focus in on what am I gonna do in this quarter or 12 week year. Mm-hmm. And therefore, from that, we can, instead of having this massive to-do list, Hit list. We can create a shit list, which are all the things that we shouldn't be doing. And a, a habit that I've had in my life every year is whenever I write down a list of the all the things I'd love to achieve in a year, I also go and write down all the things I need to stop doing and get rid of in that year. Cause sometimes greatest transformation in our lives. Comes from what we stop doing rather than what we need to do. And there's a lot of feeling of liberation that comes with that. And so every quarter when I do my quarterly 12, 12 week year plan, I write down, here are the things that I need to do. Here are the things that I'm gonna stop doing and remove to free myself. It's gonna free me up more time, it's gonna give me more health. Maybe. You know, all these things make a huge difference and often more difference than things that we do do. Oh, I love that. And you said that's the 12 week? Yeah. That's good. It's a bit called the 12 week year, and he doesn't do the shit list thing. That's just the Sarah thing that I've thrown in. But using the 12 week year, I love that. Let's, yeah, using the 12 week year. The 12 week, yep. Yeah, and then just add Sarah's shit list onto the end of it, and it's amazing. Oh, I'll definitely be looking that one up. I love that the way that's been phrased is the 12 week year. Absolutely. Yeah. Much more focused. It's easier to get things done in that kind of period of time. Love it. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay, so just on the other side of Sarah, record, now you've also got this amazing spiritual as you like. Maybe we could say woowoo side, or maybe it's just a beautiful Sarah, spiritual Sarah side. Do you weave a lot of like your own spiritual practices or. Energy mindset healing into the work that you do, or do you feel like you keep it quite separate between the two business aspects of yourself? I'm getting a little bit better at sharing the woowoo side of Sarah. So for those who, uh, don't know me, haven't met me, I actually come from a gypsy heritage. So born a gypsy girl. It's been very much a part of my life forever. To embrace my spiritual side, my psychic work, and develop intuition. And obviously along with that comes various spiritual practices and I love all of that spiritual side, myself and I privately outside of my training and videos and the stuff I do online, very much always had my own little rituals that helped me sit inside my intuition. Wow. So we very much having these little routines. So for me, it's creating my environment in the mornings, as soon as I come and sit at my desk, I have my little routines with my oils. My crystals. I read a tarot card. I ask the question for the day, what do I need to know today? I feel that the more we can tap into our intuition and feel, how am I feeling today? What do I need to do to shift or change in order to feel better than that? Is there some work that I have listed on my to-do list or in my calendar, on my schedule today or this week that's causing any sense of, because if so, that is a sign. Our emotions, our feelings, our signposts. As to what things should be on our shit list, right? What things we need to do more of. If I'm really excited, I see Anna on my calendar today. I'm doing a podcast interview with Baby Ava, and we are gonna be talking about spiritual and business stuff, and I'm like, woo-hoo, I can't wait. I should be doing more of that stuff. If I'm sitting there going, oh gosh, I'm sick today. I don't wanna do this because it's a particular task. I know that I now need to, by sitting in and feeling those emotions and feeling that feeling that I need to either hire somebody to do those tasks that were making me feel uncomfortable or I need to just ditch them. They're not things that fill my life and my business with joy, and therefore it's gonna make that side of my business unsustainable over the long term. So with that a little bit, but. Also over the last couple of years, I have got a lot more comfortable with sharing some of the ways that I manage my intuition and seek signs and symbols, astrologically, as well as spiritually. And so I have created a course a couple of years ago called Survive and Thrive, which teaches people how to use a couple of astrology type. Practices and their NA charts to work out what their true destiny is in their life, what they really should be doing when it comes to their work, career and businesses. And I've really, really enjoyed sharing that side of myself to the point at which none of my students now who came to me initially for business and marketing advice, right? Have now gone, can we have more? Woo we stuff. So expect to see more, including my, as you've mentioned before, we got on the podcast today. My absolutely hilarious if I do so. So myself, Sarah's shit astrology. So anyone who follows me on Facebook will find my completely irregular posts called Shit Astrology with Sarah, which are my very, very gypsy take on what's going on in the planetary alignments right now. What that means, and I have to say, I read your recent one and it was during the Equinox and I think the. We had year, wasn't it year? The astrological year? Yeah, the new year. Yeah. And I was like, this just explains everything to a T. It's like reading astrology, but the bold and the beautiful, bold and the beautiful, just like, it's just language that you understand. You know? It's like a little drama that happened in the planets, and Sarah explained it. Perfectly. Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, so that's on Facebook. If you guys just wanna follow me there for my irregular shit astrology posts, that's definitely a side of me that I'm feeling happier to to share more of. It's going down very well, and I've been enjoying sharing it in that way as well. Oh, thank you so much. I think we should have more shit astrology from Sarah, so definitely keep a few more of those going when there's some things that need to be explained in the world and helps people understand what's happening within their own lives. Love it. Thank you, Anna. Well, it's been incredible chatting with you today, Anna. Oh, I've loved it. Thank you so much for coming. I've really enjoyed, and I'll share all your fabulous information and how you can find Sarah and all her amazing course creation information in the show notes. So you will be able to click on all the buttons, find out more about Sarah. But yeah, thank you so much for coming on board. I loved it. I really enjoyed this. And next time, yes, we will definitely catch up face to face. Have a chat about more amazing business things. Yeah. And my favorite thing about today's podcast is that we've got, both of our baby girls sat with us on the Zoom. I know. And I just, you know what I think, Anna, just to finish this episode, world. Be able to come and do this. Yeah. To be able to share what we love to build at these connections and relationships and to have the honor of being parents and mothers at the same time. I think a few years ago we wouldn't have been able to sit here and have our babies chatting in the background. No, she mines two short. That's so gorgeous. And I mean, I believe how big a Chloe is. I feel like, obviously for those who didn't know Sarah, I'd been in Broom for a number of years and then moved down to somewhere south of WA, somewhere remote, I don't know else. And now she's back. So to see her beautiful little girl so much bigger is. It's just incredible. I was saying to my mom this morning that I'm so lucky that I can be at home and work and still be able to look after Ava in the way that I can and not have to, you know, race off to work or I'm just so lucky that what we have in our life, the things that we have accessible to us, it's just so helpful, so beautiful, so amazing. Just gives me more time with my baby. Yay. Love it. Thank you so much, Anna. Thank you so much, Sarah. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening to today's episode. Please rate and review this podcast so that it can continue to thrive and reach more listeners. I love. To know who my listeners are, so please screenshot this episode and tag me on Instagram at Anna f Hasty, and I look forward to connecting with you in the next episode.