Yahweh’s Money®️: The Crossroads of Religion & Money

From Debt To Destiny™️: Why Sleep is Good for a Woman's Soul, Mind, Body AND Finances!

• Shay Cook & Vanessa McNelley • Season 3 • Episode 55

Share episode

Shay and Vanessa invite you to uncover the often-overlooked connection between your financial peace and your nightly rest. As we traverse the landscape of women's wellness, we illuminate how financial strains can disturb our slumber and reveal the solace found in spiritual practices. From the wisdom of Proverbs 19:23 to the practicality of journaling, our conversation is an intimate sharing of stories and strategies for those seeking serenity in their bank accounts and their bedrooms.

Navigating the complexities of motherhood and maintaining financial health, we delve into the profound consequences of sleep deprivation on both our physical health and decision-making abilities. Our personal anecdotes on sleep tracking and managing household duties provide a relatable guide for busy women. The discussion extends to societal influences, including healthcare access and parental leave policies, emphasizing the critical role they play in our overall well-being.

Lastly, we dissect the traditional gender roles and the division of household chores, shining a light on the financial and emotional toll when one partner shoulders the lion's share. Celebrating equitable partnerships, we envision a future where shared responsibilities pave the way for harmony and prosperity. So, join us as we bridge the gap between spirituality and sleep, and contemplate how cultural and personal practices can lead to a more restful and empowered life.

Send us a text

💸⛪🕍📿💵

Our podcast is proudly sponsored by Crusaders for Change, LLC (C4C) and hosted by our CEO and Founder, Mrs. Shay Cook. At C4C, we provide customized corporate financial wellness programs for businesses, government agencies, and nonprofit organizations. Our services are tailored to create happier, healthier, and more productive work environments. We also empower individuals and couples to overcome debt, improve their credit, boost savings, and more. Ready to learn more about how C4C can impact your life? Contact us today at https://www.crusaders4change.org/!

Schedule a Free 15-minute Clarity Call Today!

Comments, questions, or suggestions on topics? Email yahweh@crusaders4change.org

and follow us on:
Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn

Music by:
Lamonte Silver - Owner of essentialmusicclub.com | Previously by ROA - roa-music.com

Shay:

Ever felt those awkward vibes when religion and money come up? You're not alone. Welcome to Yahweh's Money, the podcast where we tackle the crossroads of faith and finance. I'm Shay Cook, an Accredited Financial Counselor, and the CEO and Founder of Crusaders for Change LLC.

Vanessa:

And I'm Vanessa McNelley, Accredited Financial Counselor and COO of Crusaders for Change. Join us on our journey as we discuss topics like tithing saving, and conquering debt through religious perspectives. Let's get started.

Shay:

Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Yahweh's Money. Today we're going to be talking about our series of From Debt to Destiny, talking about sleep and women's health, and Vanessa and I will be unlocking the secrets of how holistic well-being is tied to faith and finance. Hey, Vanessa, before I go more into, that.

Vanessa:

How are you today?

Shay:

Yeah, it's been a week, but hey, you know what it's okay, we're here, right, I know we're here and life is totally lifing and kind of over it some days. But you know what? God is still good, so he's going to see us through and he's like lay the problems and the burdens on him, right? So that's what we got to do to get through this life. But did you know that 60% of women report experiencing sleep disturbances linked to financial stress? I mean that's crazy.

Shay:

In this episode we will be talking about the importance of proper sleep in women's health, uncovering how religious beliefs influence both financial well-being and just overall health. So grab your headphones or whatever you listen to when you're listening to us and get ready to uncover the holy path to a restful night's sleep and a healthy tomorrow. Man, I'm telling you our podcast manager he just laid it down with that script is awesome. Thank you, tj, shouting him out there. But yeah, proverbs 19, 23 says the fear of the Lord leads to life. Then one rests content, untouched by trouble. So this shows the connection between faith and wellbeing, suggesting that a deep reverence for God can bring about a sense of contentment and peace which may positively impact sleep and health. I know for me if I'm not getting sleep.

Vanessa:

I am no good, a hundred percent, I think. I know I've been dealing with this the last few nights. As far as not being able to sleep and it does, it impacts every bit of your day. Because you can't sleep at night. You know you're not rested enough to get through your day and what are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? So let's talk a little bit about stress and sleep quality. So what can make us not get a good night's sleep? I mean, gosh, there's so much out there. People lay there and they worry about money, they worry about job security, you know, providing for their families. That is a huge stressor and I can understand. You know these thoughts keep us from sleeping.

Shay:

They really do. I mean, if you got a lot of debt, I know there's times where my debt was high, you know, and I had my student loans and everybody's like, oh, don't worry about it, you can pay it for the rest of your life. And I'm like I don't want to pay it for the rest of my life. Or you know, you're really wanting to do a go on a trip or do whatever you know. When you're younger, you may. It's like oh, my friends are doing this and I can't. You know, you're just sitting there worrying about make money. So I have to put all that feelings aside and just focus because and that's not healthy either so because you're really going just for money, because you don't have a community, you don't have people supporting you, whatever your situation might be at work, it all wraps into that.

Vanessa:

And then you're like not getting sleep and man, it's just the worst, it's awful. Or when you have a job and you know that you can lose that job at any moment.

Shay:

I've been in that situation before where you know they have the little talks of, they're doing cuts and you don't know which person is going to get cut, or how many people are going to get cut, or when they're going to do the cuts.

Vanessa:

And it is so stressful to think, okay, I need to save every penny I have today because I have no idea if I'm going to have an office to walk into tomorrow. And that is super stressful on a daily basis and that's nowhere anybody wants to live, you know, with their daily lives.

Shay:

Not at all. I know, when I was working at Walter Reed back in, I guess it was like the early 2000s or like the late before 2000,. It was like 2008 to 2011. And they were doing a BRACC, so base realignment and closure and uh, so they were moving over to another base and so we basically were laid off, even though they called it. You know, they just they bracked us, or whatever, and they were trying to place us yeah, nice word, but they laid us off, you know.

Shay:

So the army laid us off and I remember those few months actually, they started talking about it and they're like, oh, we're gonna give you a stipend, we're gonna do all that. But it wasn't a lot. And I just remember sitting down with my husband and just like, alright, we got a budget down to one salary if you, if you were only going to get paid. Thank God, I got a job two weeks after I was laid off, basically from the army. But, dad, those two weeks of looking for a job, I mean I try to keep busy, but God, it was so stressful, so, and I'm sure I wasn't sleeping well, I, you know, I was just like, oh, my God, I don't want to put this all on my husband. Thank God I had him for that, you know, and a lot of people don't.

Vanessa:

And so it's just. I know I've lost a job before, when I was the only breadwinner in my household and you know, and that's a different type of stress too. I mean, thankfully I just had myself to worry about at that moment. But you know, if I would not have prepared ahead of time for moments like that, I would have been in a world of hurt. Uh, especially when your employer's like oh, we're good, everything's good during COVID. You know how that goes, you know everybody's going to stay here we're going to.

Vanessa:

You know jobs are safe and then boom, next thing you know you get an email and that's. It's super stressful to live in those situations. But you know there are other things that impact stress and our quality of sleep, like our age. I mean, I don't know about you, shay, but I know the older I get, the harder it is to sleep, and I think it's just because we have so much going on in our heads. You know we have so much life that we have lived already and we have more to worry about as we get older. What do you think?

Shay:

Yeah, I mean, for me it depends on what's going on in my life. I love to sleep and I can lay in the bed for a long time. For me it's gotten harder to get up because because so I'm affected differently on the I. I'm on a different spectrum, so I sleep good, but then I um, I go to bed really late because I'm trying to get stuff done, and then I wake up later and the thing is I'm laying there and I just start praying because I'm like, lord, I just don't even want I the day, so that could be like signs of my depression returning or whatever, which really never goes away. But it's just like, oh my God, like this is so much going on, I don't want to get out of my bed.

Vanessa:

So I just sit there, it's just like, so I mean I have to.

Shay:

I always tell people, sleep for me is next to God. I have to sleep. I just I cannot. And some days, I don't, you know, some weeks, I don't get my full eight, nine hours because, as I get older, I need more sleep so, and I think it's because we are doing so much more during the day.

Vanessa:

And then our lifestyle. You know what are we doing during the day, you know. Are we staying out late, partying still, are we? You know, are we at home trying to get in bed at eight? Like that plays a part in it too. You know how we handle that. And then health conditions. You know I have restless leg syndrome and I don't know if anybody has ever gone through that, but it is pure hell at night when you are laying there trying to go to sleep because you are so tired and your body literally has to move constantly.

Shay:

Yeah, my husband, you know he has his back issues so he doesn't. It's hard for him to sleep in the bed or anything like that, so that really affects him. And then you know he still gets up and goes to work, you know, but it's, it's a lot, but cause, by the time he comes home he's just done, I get that completely.

Vanessa:

And then it's stress levels. You know, if you are stressed to the max, I think sometimes it's really hard for your mind to shut off at night. You know because you have so many things going on in your head and so many things you're thinking about, about tomorrow or the next week or how you're going. The thoughts are going.

Shay:

I'm like all right let me just write it down, cause I need to, or I have my journal too on my bed so I can just write all those thoughts out, so I can clear my mind. And I have a big sign over my bed that says just let it go and give it to God before you get to bed, or something like that. It says something very more profoundly, but it's like um, give it over to God, to God, so you can go to sleep, or something like that, because it's like your mind is constantly going. That's why I think they say stay off your phones and meditate and practice mindfulness, like 30 minutes to an hour before you go to bed, which I know we're going to talk about some of those kind of things and practices to do, because you've got to silence your mind.

Vanessa:

It's so hard for some of us. It's so hard for some of us. And then think about like constant sleep deprivation and how that can bring some negative impacts on your health. I'm very thankful that mine usually comes in waves and I'll have three or four nights of really rough sleep and then I'm good for three or four weeks. But people who this is a constant for them, I don't know how they're getting through their days Right, I don't either.

Shay:

It's unsafe too, and you know, yeah, it's not. You know driving and all that. But then I hear you know people that have heart conditions and diabetes and all of those. Yeah, it might be your lifestyle eating, whatever but a lot of times it's because you're not getting enough sleep and so all that's connected.

Vanessa:

And then you know, if you're deprived of sleep can you make fine or good financial decisions. That's the other thing about that, you know. Yeah, cause, if your head is not in a place where you can really think things through. Even the little things can add up to, to debt or to other things that you know cause financial worries. And then most women need seven to nine hours of sleep. Do you think that's true for you?

Shay:

Oh yeah, I, back in the day I had before the Apple watch, I had the what is that thing called?

Vanessa:

Oh my God, I can't think of it. Okay, yeah.

Shay:

Fitbit. Yeah, fitbit, I had a Fitbit bag. I can't believe you remember that. So I had a Fitbit and I used to wear it to bed every night just to try to, you know, keep track of my sleep patterns and everything. And it told me I needed seven and a half to eight hours, and then later on it said I need like eight and a half hours. So yeah, and that's my sweet spot, around eight to nine hours especially, I have no idea what mine is.

Vanessa:

I think mine's probably like 15 hours, I don't know. I love sleep. I love it um, when I can get it and I don't know how busy moms, you know, with multiple kids and after-school activities and full-time, and I don't know how busy moms you know with multiple kids and after school activities and full-time jobs. I don't know how they even get two hours of sleep at night.

Shay:

You sleep when your children sleep. I always tell mothers that that's what I learned when I first had my child. Somebody said sleep when your child sleeps. That was the best advice and every new mom I ever meet since 23 years ago when I had my child and like sleep when your child sleeps. That's how you get sleep, especially when you got a baby, like when I used to I breastfed my child, I literally would pop that breast out, put it in her mouth and go to sleep with her because I was just like I ain't got time wake up, my breasts all hanging out, lord. But it was just like. But I slept, and I slept good, because I was like if Alana is going to be sleeping.

Vanessa:

I'm going to let that laundry lay. You know, not everybody can do that.

Shay:

I know Not everybody can do that, you know, because they have to get up and go to work. I had the fortunate to be at home with my parents when I first had my child, so they were able to take care of us, and then I didn't go to work till like three months later.

Vanessa:

But you know, but still, even once you got older kids, like, put their behind the bed at eight and nine o'clock, go to bed and tell them when they get up at six, seven, or you know five, whatever you're resting, I just I feel like so many moms especially, they feel like that's their time to get things done, because they don't get anything done when the kids are awake, especially when the kids are little.

Shay:

But yeah, and then going back to work after having a baby that's up all night.

Vanessa:

I know my mom. She went back to work four weeks after having my brother. Four weeks and I was less than two Brand new baby. She had C-sections with both of us and she was back at work four weeks after and I have no idea. That just sounds like pure hell to me.

Shay:

I know it does Well my mom's a special woman, so that was different for her but most women is like six, eight, three months, six months, sometimes even 12 months, if you're blessed enough to have a partner to take care of the finances and everything or you live in other places where they give you a year to recover.

Vanessa:

You know and spend time and bond with babies. Well, you know that part america.

Shay:

We're really behind when it comes to that.

Vanessa:

And then think about, like, our access to quality health care and how that can influence our sleep and financial factors too. I mean, there's so many things that play into all this with sleep and being able to make these good decisions and, you know, move forward in our lives and get past debt and get ready for that destiny that we have later on too. But gosh, yeah there's just so much, and then can a lack of sleep help or cause you to incur debt.

Shay:

Do you think?

Vanessa:

that's something that's a reality.

Shay:

Oh yeah, I think, cause I we've I've know we've had clients that are up worrying about life's issues and then they're online shopping.

Vanessa:

I do that. They're in the games shopping.

Shay:

Yeah, when the pandemic was going on, I was on Amazon every night ordering something Like almost every, and then I was like, oh my God, I have to take the Amazon app off my phone Because this is like just that. You know it's just so much going on People dying at the time. You know all that, just that. You know it's just so much going on people dying at the time. You know all that. And so I remember a lot of clients calling in the Crusaders for Change, having similar issues, incurring a lot of debt, because we're like, well, we, you know, we ain't on these streets, we have to be home, we have to, or, you know, even if you were out in the streets, you know whatever, it's like something to get your mind off, like let me go to whatever you know. And so there was a lot of that going on. And so, yeah, we definitely.

Vanessa:

I think you can incur debt if you're not sleeping, yeah, and then you know you have that lack of motivation when you don't get sleep either during the day. So you may not want to cook, you know, you may just come home and be like you know, I'm over it. We're just going to order takeout tonight.

Shay:

And when that?

Vanessa:

happens over and over and over again becomes a cycle. You know that can really impact your savings.

Shay:

And then what about gender roles and financial responsibilities? Right, societal expectations impact women's health. I mean this, just may you know having the burden of caregiving, household management, financial management, that was we. You know, we refer to in the documentaries that you told me about last year, two years ago, a few years, that invisible work, yeah, we refer to in the documentaries that you told me about, well, last year, two years ago, a few years, that invisible work, yeah, that you don't even realize that you're doing every day. And even if you're outside at home and you're a woman that works full time and even the breadwinner of the household, you're still most likely, I would say, a high percentage 80, 90 percent or more responsible for all of that, that caregiving, the household management. And you know, and even though you have a partner, they're not as involved as you want them to be. And you know that's when you got to have communications around that, but that can lead to increased stress and sleep disturbances.

Vanessa:

And that's a lot, a lot. And then, because you think about it, and if you and I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this, you know the whole invisible work and women doing more and yes, it is changing and that is such a good thing that things are changing.

Vanessa:

But if you think about it and you are, you know, in a household where there's a male figure and a female figure, usually okay, the guy will probably take out the trash or whatever. But who has to remind them to take out the trash? Who has to buy the trash bags? Who has to you know, there's so many things who has to remind?

Vanessa:

them that Friday is the day to take it to the curb, and there's all these extra little steps that you don't think about. That adds to your stress level and adds to your work in a day, so true.

Shay:

I just take the trash out. I don't even like I don't even worry about Nate and the trash out. I don't even like I don't even worry about Nate and he always gets mad. I could take the trash out. I'm not like you said. I'm not worried about having to tell you get no trash bags, cause I make sure they're ordered on Amazon. They come in, you know what I mean. And then I also just take it out, and so I eliminate all that by just doing it myself. Exactly, it's just too much. It's like why do I have to remind you what day?

Vanessa:

I think that's when people say well, you're just going to do it yourself anyway. And it's like well, there's a reason I'm going to do it myself, because it is easier to just do it than tell you 15 things. And I've been in relationships like that. I will tell you I am, thankfully, in a relationship where you know I am dating an adult man, which is which is hard to find, it seems like these days.

Shay:

They're all adults. I agree with that too.

Vanessa:

Yeah, he's a mature man, he's had a household by himself and he knows how to do things on his own. But you know, there are days where you know we'll come in and it's like if I can only give 20 today, he's going to give 80, so we can reach that a hundred percent.

Shay:

And you know I will do the same for him, and that is.

Vanessa:

You know, that's the magic number right there where you can kind of work it out and figure it out between yourselves. But it's still very, very, very rare to have that and a lot of women do. They have that extra stress on them of just trying to get everything done.

Shay:

Well, and we also have to take some responsibility that we enable these men or our partners even I've seen women, women to men, men somebody is always that dominant feature, that figure in the household that is enabling the other person. So. So then other person's like I try to do stuff, but they just be like doing it or you know, and so then that other person gets used to it and just like, whatever they throw their hands up, it's like, well, the other person gets in, but then you're the other person getting frustrated, like why am I doing everything? It's like because you always do and we have standards too. That's the other thing too.

Vanessa:

Like somebody's not, yeah, well, that too yeah, um, and we're taught exactly exactly as little girls, right?

Shay:

so true, so true.

Vanessa:

You see that in your who got upset with me when I said I wanted to go to college, because she was like I thought you wanted to be a stay-at-home wife and I'm like, no, you wanted to do that. But you know, thankfully I did not listen to that, because I would have been in a world of hurt. But the reality of it is is things are changing. It's just slowly changing and we're taught by the generation before us, so it does take time.

Shay:

And, like you're saying, the responsibility sometimes of fixing those financial issues also falls on that person. So you know, I've seen many clients where both partners are responsible for racking up the debt but only one person takes the responsibility of fixing that problem, to getting themselves out of debt to improving their credit to moving forward with buying the home, moving forward with the 529, moving forward with the 401k.

Shay:

There's that one person that still takes that role and usually I'm not saying it always, but we see this in the military, mostly still men in the military and the women are still taking care of the finances. So, yeah, you know, sadly, and I would add to that, that those religious teachings may reinforce traditional gender roles, like we said, not only remodeling at home, but also seeing that from the religious perspective.

Vanessa:

And that can cause even more problems. Exactly, especially when you're trying to make improvements or change your situation. But religiously you've been told to obey your husband, but you're trying to do something that impacts the family for good, that will help everybody in the long run, but the breadwinner doesn't understand the situation because they're not involved in those things.

Vanessa:

Yeah, exactly yeah, there's so many things that can impact all of this and tie into it. And the way we've been brought up, who we marry, who we end up partnering with all these things play a part and it can be a lot and it can get really twisted really fast it really can.

Shay:

And I would add that all that is perfect. What you're saying, and I would add to that, is culture, like where you're born, I would even say even region, is different from what region you are in America. Or even culturally outside inside America, outside of America, all of this looks a little different and it's very. You know, we see things going over in the Middle East and how they treat women over there and you know it's just I couldn't. I couldn't survive like that. So prayers for them always when I see that. But I'm sure, how are they sleeping over there when they're not allowed to be educated or not allowed to wear what they want to wear? I mean, I just heard about a TikToker that was killed because she was. She did makeup videos.

Vanessa:

I was like wow, what about our spiritual practices that we have and sleep improvement with that? You know, are there certain things that we can do on a positive note with spirituality that can help us improve our sleep quality and promoting relaxation and health and all those things.

Vanessa:

What are some of those things? I know one thing that a lot of people does is, you know, they definitely say a prayer right before they go to sleep, and I think that can help relax you. It can bring you back to a place where you need to be and focus more on. You know the task ahead, which is getting some good quality sleep, but are there some other things that we can try that you know of?

Shay:

Yeah, for me it's all about that meditation and prayer and, like you said, mindfulness exercises, kind of mentioned earlier. I mean, like, if I'm really, I use the Abide app and it's all spiritually based on scripture and it really helps me like settle my mind and just hear a calm voice, talk me through and you can pick anxiety, anger, family issues, like you can pick a different topic that you're going to in that moment and I'll scroll through and sometimes I'll just search it and so and it always comes up. So I think last night I went to bed and I put in something about like just dealing with some stuff with the family and it's like how to deal with difficult family members or boundaries and stuff like that. So that was very helpful, even though I fell asleep and I woke up and I was like oh, but see, I like that.

Shay:

So that was very helpful, even though I fell asleep and I woke up and I was like, oh, let's see, I fell asleep, so that was good. So it did, it worked. And I was like, oh, I got to cut this meditation off. Um, and even in the bite app I have to give a shout out for them as an amazing app they have sleep stories to all biblical base and it's just an amazing app. But you know, they have all these, the calm app, all these different apps out there that can I mean, there's so many tech, so much technology. But just, I think for me it's just being still like having just whatever way you can find to be still journaling meditation, prayer, music, you know, listening to whatever. Um, that's what it's all about for me.

Vanessa:

I do sleep hypnosis, like on, uh, on YouTube and it. I try to find one that matches like the issue that I'm having, why I can't sleep, and they have some that you know that helps calm your mind. They have some some that helps you remember, you know, the joys in life. They have some that help with restless legs. They have some that you know with any, you know healing overnight, so all these little things and it's such a, you know such a one-off, but there's so many good ones and if you can really focus on it.

Vanessa:

I swear they work and you know you fall asleep and a lot of them will not wake you up for eight hours and then you are gently woken up and it's such a nice wake up when that happens that way, but sometimes you know they don't work because you have so much going on in your head and you can't focus on that. I remember being younger and my mom, she would always tell me this thing that she would do, and it's really just something to kind of quiet your mind. So she would, you know, say a little bedtime prayer and then she would start her countdown. But she would do it the reverse way. So she would count up from one to a hundred and she would start at one. She'd focus on the middle of her head and she would focus on seeing that number and the color blue, because you really have to focus on okay one. I have to see it, visualize it, see a color.

Vanessa:

So your mind has to focus on this and then you move on through the rest of your body and go two, three, four and I swear I never made it past 20. That was the best thing that she ever taught me for sleep. But you know, those do come back to spirituality and quieting your mind and kind of throwing the rest of the world away so that you can have just a little bit of time to refocus and re-energize with you know yourself.

Shay:

And I mean, you know, I really it always comes back to me, psalms 46, 10, be still and know that I'm God, right, just being still in the God and in him and let him do the work and let the spirit just work through you. Sometimes it's just that. So, whether it's that meditation, prayer, you know, sleep hypnosis sounds like what your mother and aunt were doing, where the chakra is like really focusing on that.

Vanessa:

The blue is really a calming color, so there's this whole psychological color thing that really works and I think a lot of times people think, okay, well, if I'm doing, you know, chakra balancing and I'm meditating and I'm doing yoga, they think that is like anti-religious in the world that I grew up in.

Shay:

I know it's annoying Holistic medicine.

Vanessa:

I remember my mom. So you know, as you know, my mom had cancer for like 16 years and she was always one to say you know, you can take modern medicine and holistic medicine, bring them together and they work well. She would always say the same thing goes with you know, just basic spirituality and your belief in God. You know they all work hand in hand and you can meditate on God, and I think that's something that we don't talk about often, but you can meditate on your relationship with him, being closer, being stronger in that belief.

Vanessa:

So meditation is not limited to you know, just thinking about. You know yourself and you know your auras and your chakras and all those things. So yeah forget about that.

Shay:

Yeah, it all it all intertwines for me.

Shay:

I yeah, you know growing up people are like exactly it's like really, and then when I started researching it, I was like what you can meditate, like just Vanessa saying you can meditate, meditate on God, you can meditate on the word, you can meditate, meditate just asking the spirit to speak through you and get you through whatever you're going through. And to me it's like whoever thought meditation was voodoo is crazy. Okay and so, and the chakras, I totally believe in it, I believe in astrology, all that. I just feel like God would not have put all these planets and stars here and just to put them in the sky.

Vanessa:

Obviously they're there for a reason.

Shay:

Exactly, and the meditations. All of this is under God's control.

Vanessa:

He's giving us tools Okay.

Shay:

Tools to use. He's given us all the tools and they've been using these tools since the beginning of time. It's in the word, oh my God, people. So, yeah, you know, struggles with sleep and health do not have to get us off track from following our debt to free destiny and you know I wanted to plug us in there. So thank you for Nessa for doing this. Crusaders for Change, counselors, c4c counselors, are here to help you and through these, you know, debt to destiny journey. We're here to help you know, if you're having sleep problems and stuff like a lot of this, stuff comes up in our sessions and we will refer you to the right expert. We're not experts in this, but we recognize that these are problems that come from the debt and in order to get to the destiny, you have to work through your sleep problems and trying to improve your sleep, improve your health, mentally, physically, spiritually, in relationships with people, work and all the like so you can go from debt to destiny. So any final thoughts?

Vanessa:

Yeah, you know, I think a lot of us we forget that sometimes just getting this stuff out really helps. So when we do have somebody we can talk to about, you know our sleepless nights and the issues going on, whether it is your financial counselor- or a good friend or a therapist or whoever it is. Sometimes just getting it out releases us from that burden and we can sleep and we can, you know, focus on our health and focus on being the best version of us. So take that first step and just have conversations.

Shay:

I totally agree. I know. You know I've been going through some stuff with family and work and professionally and volunteering and all this other stuff and just talking to my family, vanessa, you know whoever getting it out, keeping that close circle though I'm not out here rumoring- it out, you know telling everybody, my business, but my close circle of people that I can really trust really helps me move from day to day, because it it's.

Shay:

you know, god doesn't want us to carry these burdens alone, and whether it's debts or relationship issues or health issues or money issues, whatever it is, um, definitely seek God. So thank you for joining us today. A big thank you for listening to this episode. We hope you found today's chat about the intersection of religion and money insightful. We would love to hear your feedback. Hit that subscribe button or follow the podcast, and please feel free to leave us a review.

Vanessa:

Yes, and for the latest Yahweh's Money content, visit us at Crusaders4Change. org or find us anywhere you listen to podcasts. Until next time, stay financially fit and spiritually inspired.

Shay:

And remember it's always better Yahweh's way.

People on this episode

Head Shot

Shay Cook

Host