180 | What Growing Churches Often Miss—and Stuck Churches Must Fix

Momentum is a powerful gift—but it can also be deceiving.

In Episode 180 of the Fly on the Wall podcast, I sit down with my good friend Chris Norman to talk about the two most common places pastors get stuck: when the church is growing… and when it’s not.

This episode is packed with insight for both seasons. We cover:
✅ Why momentum hides weakness—and what to do before it runs out
✅ How to break free from “the weeds” and lead from the right level
✅ The four rings that pull you away from your mission-critical calling
✅ Why your biggest limitation might be the way you see your own situation
✅ The simple “Boxes and Batons” framework to measure real discipleship—not just attendance

Whether you're scaling fast or wondering why growth has stalled, this conversation will help you refocus your leadership where it matters most.

And if you’re serious about growing yourself while you grow your church, don’t miss Church Boom University—our digital coaching platform full of masterclasses, tools, and practical help for pastors like you.

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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.