Fly on the Wall Podcast With Chris Sonksen
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Fly on the Wall Podcast With Chris Sonksen
207 | Leadership Pain, Loyalty, and Finding the Right Leaders
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Leadership can be incredibly rewarding… and incredibly painful.
Because if you’ve led long enough, you’ve experienced it—
people you invested in walk away, criticism hits harder than expected, and it becomes tempting to pull back instead of leaning in.
That’s exactly what we unpack in Episode 207 of the Fly on the Wall Podcast, as I sit down with my friend Ryan for a real and honest coaching conversation about leadership pain, loyalty, and how to keep building leaders without becoming cynical.
In this episode, we talk through:
- Why leadership always comes with pain—and how to process it the right way
- How to evaluate criticism without letting it define you
- The tension of investing deeply in people who may eventually leave
- Why core values matter more than talent when building your inner circle
- How to identify the right leaders before you bring them close
- The difference between talent and teachability—and why both matter
- Why high talent + low self-awareness can be dangerous
- How leadership circles help you “sift and sort” to find the right people
- Why you don’t attract what you want—you attract what you are
This is one of those conversations every pastor needs—especially if you’ve been hurt, frustrated, or unsure who to trust and invest in next.
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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.