Fly on the Wall Podcast With Chris Sonksen
Be a “Fly on the Wall” as Chris Sonksen takes you behind the scenes on a coaching call with a ministry leader. In each episode, you’ll get to hear how a coaching call happens, practical tips on how to grow your ministry, and what it takes to be a healthy leader in today's culture. You'll get to be a "fly on the wall" and listen to a live coaching session between Chris and a church leader like yourself.
Fly on the Wall Podcast With Chris Sonksen
212 | Change Your Thinking, Change Your Ministry
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If nothing changes… nothing changes.
That sounds obvious—but it’s exactly where a lot of churches get stuck.
In Episode 212 of the Fly on the Wall Podcast, Chris sits down with JJ to talk about something deeper than strategy, systems, or even leadership tactics:
Your thinking.
Because the truth is—your ministry will never outgrow your mindset.
This conversation goes beyond surface-level leadership and gets right to the core of what actually drives growth (or keeps you stuck).
Here’s what you’ll walk away with:
A healthy, grounded perspective on using AI in ministry (and where to draw the line)
Why most churches stay stuck between 100–200—and the real lever that breaks that barrier
The shift from attendance-focused thinking → engagement-focused leadership
Why “new blood” is the key to sustainable growth
The difference between lead goals vs. lag goals (and why most leaders focus on the wrong one)
Why systems, strategy, and Spirit must work together—not compete
The powerful mindset shift: “Don’t ask what to do—ask how to think.”
One of the most important takeaways:
“Stop focusing on the result. Focus on the activity that produces the result.”
But maybe the most challenging part of this episode is personal…
Chris unpacks how many pastors unknowingly limit their church because of how they see themselves—and how shifting your internal narrative might be the breakthrough you’ve been praying for.
👉 Listen to Episode 212 and join the conversation:
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Let’s lead differently.
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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.