How A Dark Fantasy Uses Storytelling To Challenge Exclusion And Inspire Belonging with Ryan Schulz

About the Author:

Born and raised in Perth, Western Australia. Ryan graduated from John Curtin College of the Arts before later taking on a career as a drag queen. Through drag, Ryan found a love for cabaret, burlesque and circus. Relocating to the United Kingdom (March 2017) to further pursue the arts, Ryan hit the cabaret scene with a bang, hosting sell-out shows at Edinburgh Fringe and producing his own weekly resident show in London’s Kings Cross, as his alter ego Vicious Von Vixen. 

He worked his way into programming on the West End for the world’s largest theatre company ATG and gave away hosting entirely, wrapped up and all-consumed in the glittering world of A-Lister star casts, both confronting classics and new world-class come five-star reviewed plays, alongside debuting global musical hits transferring from / to Broadway! After a couple of years Ryan found his way to the UK’s leading entertainment and production company Underbelly, where he still works today, representing its first and only permanent venue in central London — Underbelly Boulevard Soho! 

All Ryan’s written work is inspired and motivated by lived experience in the theatre and cabaret industries, as well as diversity… from his own situations as a pansexual, genderqueer deemed “man”, seven-years polyamorous but now happily married and monogamous — devoted to his non-binary wife — Ryan hopes to bring whatever little change he can to the world, by writing exciting, thrilling, magical and engaging yet horrific stories, to intrigue a wider range of readers before enlighten them with characters that expose and provide awareness to ways of life outside the patriarchal created world that has set society norms and showcase the possibilities to readers of the different paths they can take.

Book Blurb:

A lost soul.

A vaudeville that comes with an extra price for entry.

Grief. Love. Sex. Blood.

All under the filament lights of the Big Top.

When Thomas discovers the lights of the funfair at his lowest point, his life takes a different direction and continues on, in a liberating yet macabre way.

He finds acceptance with a troupe that he meets, all from different walks of life, but now all on the same path and with the same curse. A curse that isn’t holding any of them back. In fact, it’s what brings each of them together.

What if a curse could save, could mean finding family, and could give lost souls a new purpose and enjoyment of life?

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Transcript

Welcome And Support Offers

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Book Shop Chats, where we cozy up with books, creativity, and embrace the magical, messy process of writing a book. I'm Victoria Jane, a writer, developmental editor, and coach for sensitive busy writers, and I love to support you on your journey of bringing your story to life. So whether you're here for inspiration, behind the scenes peaks of what it what it means to actually write a book, or just some bookish conversations, you are definitely in the right place. And if you're looking for more personalized support, I also offer one-to-one writing support sessions to help bring your story to life because sometimes you need a little bit of support digging through the noise that is your brain because it's saying. And if you've got a finished draft, I would love to chat to you about developmental editing. It is my favorite thing. I love supporting authors and bringing their story to life. You can find all of the details in the show notes. So grab a coffee, grab a tea, plug in your headphones, go on a little walk, and let's dive into today's episode. Welcome back to Bookshop Chats.

Meet Ryan And His Dark Fantasy

SPEAKER_00 1:18

In today's episode, I am chatting with Ryan. Welcome to the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

I am excited to obviously be chatting with you. Um I am just gonna dive right in and give you the floor and kind of like let you, you know, maybe introduce yourself, sit share a little bit about your book that it is out in the world right now. So yeah, I'd love to hear.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Yeah. Uh I mean, I've yeah, released Filament Lit Nights, which is a dark contemporary fantasy uh about a traveling vaudeville of vampires. And um I'm really, really keen on getting this book out there for so many reasons. Um, but I suppose one of the big reasons for me is that I really try to explore in this story um many different facets and aspects of certain themes to do with diversity and inclusion and exclusion, um, and more or less um the negative impacts of societal construct. Um but I do it through a very glamorous um and also quite uh dark, macabre and horrific ways um to more or less just throw the dirt of reality in people's faces, um but try and uplift it in a I suppose inspiring and motivating way. Um so I'm aiming for kind of two different outcomes of readers here, and one is that anyone that does fall under that umbrella of um discrimination uh or exclusion that they can feel inspired and motivated to pick their life up as they are and who they are and march forward, and the other is an outcome of people that fall under the umbrella that um don't really experience exclusion um or discrimination

Themes Of Inclusion And Social Mirrors

SPEAKER_02 3:27

um and potentially might lean into being part of that problem and act as a bit of a awakening. So that um story of the traveling vaudeville and vampires um really hopes to act as a bit of a a spark of interest to a wider group of readers, and hopefully we can engage those two different types of readers and spread those messages.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

I love it, I love it. I I'm so uh grateful for you know self-publishing to kind of like push the envelope a bit when it comes to like what is in uh stories or the stories that obviously are getting out in the world. Uh, I think it's a really cool way of like showing people, you know, diversity and you know, differences in all kinds of things. And I think even things like mental health, that was not really, you wouldn't really see that in a lot of tra traditionally published books. Um, I think now it's becoming more of a thing, but I do feel like indie authors had a big part of that sort of like push of like we want characters that are messy, that have real life experiences that are different, that struggle with things that you know you might struggle with. So I think that's a really I love I love that you have that sort of message in two different ways. I think that's a really cool way of like showing it um to readers, and it kind of hits two different readers. So I love that.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

I really hope so. Thank you. I appreciate it. I think it's so important to me because I um many years ago I wrote a trilogy. Um it never intended to be a trilogy, but you know, lovely COVID lockdowns um made my finger tapping write two more books to the first book I ever published with a sequel and a prequel, uh come sequel. And um and I think like since writing that, I because I had found myself with all this time that the rest of us in the world also discovered we would never get back. And um and to create a creative brain and put that into action in that period of time, um yeah, it just opened up so many different messages and themes that I wanted to explore. So once I got that kind of out of the way and finished that loop for that story, um, yeah, really the stuff I wanted to explore in Filament Lit Nights was I suppose a bit of a lived experience versus um friends, family, and associates' lived experiences um to create, I suppose, one greater message. And really that is just that we are all human beings on this planet, and whatever boxes we tick, we have the same emotions, the same feelings, um, and the same goal in life, and that ultimately is to love, to be loved, and to be happy. And it's just so frustrating, isn't it, to just see the world around us and and how many people just make life difficult for others. I know in the UK right now we're experiencing so many um really dark um times today due with uh she who must not be named, um high court rulings and the fact that she has all this money that she's delved um into and pushed into the work that she's carrying out, and that money really can change the world. So let's take it back to actually just respecting one another and realizing

Storytelling As Connection And Change

SPEAKER_02 7:12

who we are.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Yeah, I think it is just like remind each other of just like I don't know, like be kind, be like just it, it is like you you get to do what is good for you, like that sort of that's always been my thought of like it's if you're having the time of your life, like give her, like I'm great, I'm happy for you, right? So I think just that kindness, and I think uh it unfortunately I I I do my best to kind of disconnect from a lot of news just for my own mental health, um is just how we're more alike than we are different. And I think that's something that's just like how can we find that um connection? And and I think that's unfortunately um, you know, uh that a lot of us sort of experience is there's a lot of division energy that's kind of designed to keep us yelling and fighting amongst each other when I'm like, this is not helpful um at all. So uh yeah, of like, and I feel like storytelling is such a great way to do that, of just like bring light to these, you know, challenges and issues that you know a lot of us face in in life. And I and I think um, you know, storytelling is how we connect uh as humans, right? Like we're we're sort of like uh historically that's how we've you know, how traditions and and folklore and all of that, like it's all part of that. Uh so I think just keeping keeping up and keeping your thing, doing your thing and and showing up and and being that good person. I hope I'm like I hope that that's good enough because that's all I can do, right? No, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Like we can all as individuals only do our best.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

But it's yeah, it's how how do we how do we through storytelling and creating different worlds and scenarios and experiences and scenes actually inspire people for their best to be kind and nice and loving and caring.

Crafting Horror, Origins, And Found Family

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Um, but yeah, with storytelling, of course, like for a dark contemporary fantasy verging borderline horror. Um you know, obviously I take my characters through some really um traumatic and horrible experiences, and that's that's difficult to do, especially when you're falling in love with the characters you're writing. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Yes, you're like, I'm very sorry, I'm very sorry. I promise it makes sense. But yes, I am very sorry for this.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah, like honestly, there's one character in this book that I I held off their chapter because the the story really um threads between uh the main uh timeline. Um but as a vaudeville we have different characters that make up the the bill, the cast per se. And um and every other chapter I go into that individual's origin story um and what brought them to the vaudeville. And to be honest, a lot of the horrific elements more lay in the origin stories within humanity before they either decided or did not have the choice to become a vampire. And um yeah, there is still a horrific element to the main storyline and timeline. Um but yeah, it I think it I really do reflect on these vaudevillians more or less being uh misfits in society before they were turned and found the travelling uh vaudeville. And um yeah, it it really it becomes a story about found family and the fact that once they break away from society as a as a misfit as they were deemed, um that that's actually uh more or less for lack of a better few words, when their life really begins.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

So true. I love that. Amazing. That's that's so cool, so fascinating. I'd love to hear a little bit about how um how how have how okay, here

Writing Through Neurodiversity

SPEAKER_00 11:34

we go. This is the word I'm trying to say. Writing. How how has writing like been a part of your life? Was it something that you kind of just picked up or was it something that you've always done?

SPEAKER_02 11:46

I it's such an interesting thing to look back on because I grew up with I'm as as many people did, uh, failed education systems based around learning difficulties or um disabilities. And um, you know, here I am at 38 years old later, um, you know, only just two years ago diagnosed with ADHD. So the realization that I lived my life with undiagnosed ADHD, which potentially led to my diagnosed in young adulthood uh anxiety and depression, which I've been medicated for my whole adult life. Um, and in senior high school was diagnosed with central auditory processing disorder, just conveniently ready for graduation after my whole first part of my education. Thanks. Yeah. So um I found writing my own my own space and my own place without criteria, without boxes to tick, without modules or um goals or assignments to you know to really um Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is it for me, like in my education, like writing was my escape. It was my it was the ability to like walk away from all those challenges, those difficulties, those walls that I was facing because I was slamming my head against walls in classes and uh at home with homework, and then to be able to open up, which at the time in primary school was my dad's work laptop because he would let me write on that, and just craft my own stories. And I remember, you know, being maybe 10, 11, 12 years old, writing um, writing short stories, and and then one day crafted this. What I felt at the time was this really amazing, like groundbreaking story um that I submitted to like our local publishing house in Fremantle, because I come from Perth, West Australia, and um, you know, can just imagine them opening up this um manuscript from you know 11-year-old child that doesn't even know the process of submitting a book for publication. Um and I never you know heard back from them. But it's yeah, that that was where I started. That was that was my escape. And funnily enough, I because of all these um conditions that I had, um, especially in primary school, unknown, and not being till senior high school that the diagnosis started coming, I actually find found it incredibly difficult to read. Um so although I've been able to write um my whole life, I think also the lack of being able to read because of you know ADHD distraction or an inability to focus versus central auditory processing's blockage in taking in what I'm reading because of noises around me and all that sort of stuff, you know. More I suppose professionally and seriously writing in my recent adulthood life, I've had a lot of grammar and um formalities to actually catch up with and and get up to speed on. And and so I look back on that trilogy I wrote, uh I think finished that in 2016, versus Filament Litten Nights, which I just released this year, and to see that huge improvement in my writing style, and um, although I still do get the book edited, but um but even in my grammar and just the way I've thread sentences together's been yeah, really, really good to see that improvement.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I love that. I think that's uh yeah, it's so I mean it's it's uh I echo a lot of that of

From Early Attempts To Craft Growth

SPEAKER_00 15:51

just like finding out like ADHD in my late 30s, um, especially because it is more, especially for girls at that time, like they just weren't diagnosing um because it is so internal, a lot of it, right? So it's so interesting to see um it just yeah, how that how that impacts you, even though you didn't like you didn't realize it at the time. And then that writing and just being able to, I think I loved writing for that, like freedom, even though now I'm learning, wait a minute, grammar, like all of these, yeah, like all of these things that you're like, oh boy, this is um, because that was a big thing that I think held me back from writing for a long time of like, oh, I'm not great at spelling, my grammar isn't great, like but the reality is you can fix all that stuff, and like you you have in in real time experience of like seeing the growth. I I love that, like going back to some of my old work and seeing, I'm like, wow, I'm so glad I kept writing. So much better.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Yeah, 100%. I had a really lovely endearing talk with uh a queer young people's group from a charity we have in the UK here called Spectra. And um, my best friend Kat, she writes um all the different kinds of sessions uh for these young people and asked if I'd come along to talk about writing for one of these sessions. And it was exactly what you're saying. It was just so nice to sit there and be able to say, like, anyone that's interested in picking up a pen or opening up their laptop on a blank document to write a story, like whatever is holding you back, just start writing, like just get those ideas down because it can't, it can all be tidied up later. And and I remember just by the end of this session, the engagement with these young people was just incredible. And um, and even the feedback that came through from Kat later was that you know, it was one of the best sessions they said that they they'd all had. Um, and I just um found it really like got them motivated to actually start writing something and get into it. Because yeah, I I really believe like it's there are, I suppose, some people out there and some

Encouraging Young Writers To Start

SPEAKER_02 18:07

more, I suppose, educated, um qualified literaries that you know might argue that you know you do need to have a certain style or credibilities to write something before it's you know published. But I think that's where, like you say, the the indie community is really starting to come up strong in that you know, we are saying like, no, like just because we're not there yet, like doesn't mean we can't publish our incredible work. And um and what do you do? That's what editors are for. So, you know, we're supporting the editing community as well as you know, them supporting us as indie writers, and that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Yeah, totally. I I so I so love that. And I think recognizing too that it's you're not necessarily writing like always like this literary masterpiece. And I think that's okay. That's like there's a place for those books and those authors, and then there's also places for those like horror, those other ones that still tell an incredible story. But my, you know, it's gonna hit a different reader, right? And I think that's that's the one thing I love is that art is so subjective. And I mean, that's like kind of the scary part of being a writer is that it is so subjective, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

100%.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Right. But I think inspiring people to tell these stories is um like such a cool thing because even if they don't continue writing, maybe that's something that sparks something else within them. And I I feel like especially getting to like youth and helping them see that they can do these things, it's it's really cool. Cause I know the creative arts definitely haven't always been viewed as like the best thing to like, you know, get into in terms of a career. And I think there are so many ways that you can utilize. Writing and creativity, whether it is through storytelling or just the huge variety of things that it is a part of, which is a really it's a great skill. And it's it can be hard for kids to navigate, especially in school systems. I feel like just because you can feel like you're a bit of a freak uh when you don't learn like the rest of the kids.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Yeah, definitely. I mean, God, I remember, you know, I think we all can be familiar with the scenario that your teacher asks you to step up from your table and answer a sum from a times table or something. And I remember that being in those anxious ridden moments of having absolutely no idea what that answer was when the rest of the class are just going bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, and then you're sat there dreading that moment that you have to stand up. Um but here we all laugh. Look, you and I did it our best life, riding it out, like yes, yes, we did it, we did it.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

I yeah, it's uh yeah, in the moment it can feel like

Subjectivity, Taste, And Indie Cred

SPEAKER_00 21:08

your life is over, but then you're like, okay, wait a minute. It wasn't it wasn't great, but but we we survived. We survived.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Got through, and if anything, our experiences now that we're you know, probably much like me, Victoria. You're also writing, you know, from lived experience, and hopefully what we experienced is kind of something that we needed to to be able to write these scenarios that we are to reach out the wider audiences of not necessarily writers, but just readers that need to hear these things and be able to identify with like characters and hopefully our characters really do the work in making them feel okay with who they are.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yes, yes, I I so love that. And I feel like that's one of the best parts of writing of just creating these these I guess parts of yourself and like sharing them and like uh hopefully helping people feel less alone in their their own life. Yeah um because it's yeah, sometimes it's it's definitely not always easy, but uh uh we we do it. We we do we keep telling the stories.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah, exactly. And like when you say that, it's like my honestly, my first few pages of the first chapter open up um with the main character stood on the cliffs of Dover, basically looking out to the sea, um virtually ready to end his life. And um and it's not until something happens, and you know, I don't want to spoil it, but um that captures his attention that when when he's drawn to the lights of this fun fair where the vaudeville is, and um and I suppose that scenario is a moment of that lone wolf feeling where I think a lot of us and people that identify with this phrase, lone wolf, have more or less experienced a moment of you know ready to attend it all. And this the reason I suppose I start here is that it's finding that that realization that if you just hold on, you have no idea what's about to hit you and what can lead from that. And so Thomas, who is the character standing on these cliffs of Dover, from the second his attention is drawn, from that very first deep dark moment where we begin, just the light that starts to enter his life and the journey that he starts to take and the people that he meets and the experiences that he has um

A Ledge, A Funfair, And New Hope

SPEAKER_02 24:03

entwined among all the origin stories of um the cast that he does end up encountering. Yeah, it it um yeah, I really hope it acts as what I've set it out to because I feel like I've crafted something quite beautiful and quite unique um with what's on those pages.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Amazing. I love that. I'd love to chat a little bit about kind of the marketing side of things. So now the book is done, which I feel like often authors are like, oh great, the hard work is done. And then and then we're like, wait a minute, we have to market this, don't we?

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Oh no, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:46

So I'd love to hear maybe how you make it a little less daunting. Obviously, you chatted about doing some in-person events, um, which I think is a great, great thing. It uh always encouraging authors to like get off social media and like go meet real people, like touch grass, like let's just connect with people. So I'd love to hear if there's anything else that you have found that just worked for you in terms of social media or any sort of marketing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean, I think I had a little advantage in that I I was already kind of marketing and um and delving into like ways to promote things because before releasing

Marketing As Moodboard And Puzzle

SPEAKER_02 25:31

um my books or publishing my first sets of books and now filament lit nights is um through my lived experience, I was a creative producer, still am in some capacity. Um so I was used to like you know, yeah, being on socials to post about upcoming shows and you know, like uh little posts that um capture moments of a show and who's in the show and themes in the show. So when it came to writing and transferring those skills to promoting and marketing a book, um I obviously did my readings on what other people were doing, and um, but I also really did utilize um what I had been doing already, and for me, what works best, and I love one creating a real feel for the book through the certain images I post. So I I really love looking at um a bunch of stock images um from various websites because obviously they all stock different sorts of images, and yeah, really getting a feel, uh you know, searching keywords related to the storyline and getting a feel for what sorts of um images are going to portray what feelings for film and late nights. I really wanted to capture a few images that showed more or less like darker colored elements to give a feeling of a story based, or at least starting, you know, by the sea, um cloudy evening, but then vampires, so you know, nighttime scenario, you know, low-lit um walls, people, uh objects, things, um, and then combine that again with the you know, the waves and the sea and the ocean and and that that sort of green and blue y tones that come with that. And and that's you know, where you create your mood board, and then you decide what what are the images you want to post, and then seeing that all line up in tiles and seeing that feel come across on a social media profile is pretty cool. Um, but then I get guess the next element to that is what is the content in terms of like what you post with that image.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

And I like to really try and break that down. Like obviously, we want to do a general promo of the book and what it's about and the themes, but I also love breaking it down to do like certain individual posts that might relate to one character within the book or something really cool that's happened so recently for me. That was the fact that after my ARC reads, um I got a really nice string of reviews, and I'm now sitting at a 4.17 average on Goodreads, which is awesome. Um so like posting about that and just getting excited, and um yeah, it it's it's really fun in a way. Like it's a bit for me, it's a bit of a jigsaw puzzle. Like, okay, these are the images I want to post, this is the tone and the feel I want to give. What are what is that content around those images, and how do I want to dice it up? Is it like general post meets character, character meets general post, general post meets

Character Spotlights And ARC Momentum

SPEAKER_02 29:02

like um theme behind my own mind? And yeah, that's that's kind of how I work. I'm just ever like forming this jigsaw puzzle and working out what those pieces are, and then I suppose constantly, whether it's on my commute into work, making a note on the train of something, I could post, haven't posted, um, will definitely post, need to post. And for my ARC reads, um I had a company called Buzz Media uh set all the initial registrations up. Um so they kind of more or less got that initial influx of shouting out about the book, and and then I kind of picked up from there and carried through and carried on because yeah, we all have a budget, and you know, it's not in the budget to pay for someone to do my marketing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

I love that. I think that's such a cool way. I haven't uh looked at it that way, but I feel like that's such a cool way of looking at um creating because you see, I love those um those reels or visuals where they've got these sort of like you know, the the stock images and the different like the vibe, and like I'm all about I'm all about the vibe. So I think that it's cool to see that sort of play out and the ways that you can do that with you know image images or colors or audio or that kind of stuff. So I think that's such a it is a fun thing. Um, I I kind of like creating that kind of like it's fun, it's another creative thing that's a little bit different um than writing. So my brain loves to do a thousand different things. Um and it's so cool, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Envisioning like your characters or your storyline in images that people have captured or photos people have taken, and you can just think it it wasn't created directly for your book, but in the context of your book, like it just fits right in like perfectly.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Yeah, yes, I love that. Especially when you find like a stock photo that's like you're like, oh my gosh, that's my character. Um, I've had that happen a few times where I'm like, this is this is the person. How is that book? Yeah, I know it's mad. So cool. It's so cool to see that all come to life. Um, especially when it it is this sort of like fictional world that you've created in your head to see it tangible. Um, is a really like it's a wild experience.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Um there was after my arc reads, a um I suppose there was a bit of a questionnaire, and one of the questions was about like the favorite character. And so when I, you know, like to break up these these different posts to market the book, one recently I did was the favorite character, in which I found this incredible stock image um of I mean, obviously, I don't know who the person themselves um was or identified as, uh, but the character

Where To Find Ryan And Final Encouragement

SPEAKER_02 32:08

was non-binary um with bright green hair. Um their position in in the vaudeville was this this jester stage manager character, and yeah, they were the reader's favorite, and I just thought I've got to post about Luna because people love them, and yeah, like you say, I was going through these images, and all of a sudden, this one image of um who I'm going to uh assume was an AFEB person, um, but had you know this beautiful like vivid green hair, just kind of windswept, I guess, just sort of blowing in the a breeze per se, if it was gonna be set in my scenario of nights. Um, and yeah, and just like you say, it was just how has this been out there? That is Luna, like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

It's so cool, so cool. I love that. Well, it has been so so lovely chatting with you. I would love for you to share how people can follow along um on your like writing journey and also get get their hands on your book because that's definitely an important, important thing as well.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Oh, please, I'd love a bunch of new readers. Um I'd really genuinely love to hear everyone's feedback. I'm always happy for like people to drop into my DMs. Um, but yeah, I'm on both Facebook because I'm old school like that at 38, and uh also have Instagram, um Ryan Matthew with one T, Schultz with no T. Um, otherwise, I've also got my

Host Wrap And Resources

SPEAKER_02 33:48

um link tree and also uh website Ryan Msultz.com and all my socials are on each of those. Um people can just link through to each of them.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Amazing. Well, everything will be linked in the show notes, so it will be super easy for people to click and find you. But it was lovely chatting with you. I feel like I learned learned a lot, and it's always cool to hear uh writers and their processes, and it's just uh it's I I get so inspired.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

Oh, well, I'm really happy because actually I found it a very relatable conversation. Actually, I felt like we really geled on a few similar operations and ways of working.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

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