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The Healing Power of Sound. Exploring Vibration, Trauma, and Consciousness - with Arlyn

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Psychiatrist, Dr. Juan Pablo Galindo sits down with Arlyn, a sound therapist and energy worker and the creatrix of Awaken Spanda.

With over 20 years of experience in the holistic space, Arlyn’s work centers on helping individuals connect with their own inner resonance through sound, breath, and intentional ceremony. Her approach blends sound therapy, energy work, and guided inner exploration to support emotional processing, nervous system regulation, and deeper states of awareness.

Together, they explore what sound healing actually is, what may be happening in the body and mind during these experiences, and how sound can serve as a pathway into the inner world. The conversation bridges ancient practices with modern mental health perspectives, including how sound work may support trauma healing and complement modalities like ketamine-assisted psychotherapy.

Whether you’re curious, skeptical, or already familiar with this work, this episode offers a grounded and thoughtful exploration of how sound can influence healing and consciousness.


  In This Episode, We Cover:

  • What “sound healing” actually means in practice
  • How sound may interact with the nervous system
  • What people experience during a sound ceremony
  • The role of sound in emotional release and trauma work
  • Creating safety in non-traditional healing spaces
  • Parallels between sound healing and psychedelic therapy
  • Sound as a gateway into the inner world and self-awareness
  • How to begin working with sound in your own life

🎶 Arlyn’s Music — VOICE OF SOPHIA

Arlyn is releasing an EP titled VOICE OF SOPHIA, a collection of sound-based compositions that reflect her work with voice, resonance, and consciousness.

Listen and support her music here:

👉 https://awakenspanda.bandcamp.com/


  Learn More About Arlyn

Explore her work, offerings, and upcoming sound ceremonies:

👉 https://www.awakenspanda.com/

Her offerings include immersive sound ceremonies, breathwork-integrated sessions, and private or group experiences designed to support emotional, mental, and physical integration.

Come visit our website for more information: Innerbloom 

SPEAKER_01

Hello and welcome to the Psychedelic Psychiatrist Podcast, a podcast dedicated to the discussion around all aspects of psychedelic medicine. This is also a space that hosts conversations about impactful personal journey and a way to decrease things, around this molecules, and share our experiences with one another. So get ready for some deep dives and fun times. I'm your host on Pablo. Hola, hola everyone. Welcome back. Hope you're having a beautiful morning, evening, midday, afternoon, wherever you are on this day. Hope it's going awesome for you. So today's conversation is one I've been looking forward to for a while and we're diving into the world of sound healing. What it is, what's actually happening in the body and the mind, and how something as simple as sound can begin to shift our internal state into profound ways. My guest today is Arlen, a quantum energy worker and initiated sound therapist who has been working with sound and energy and massage for 20 years. Her work centers around helping individuals connect with their own vibratory nature, using sound as a pathway to self-discovery, regulation, and ultimately a deeper sense of wholeness and sovereignty. In this conversation, we explore how sound interacts with the nervous system, how it may support trauma healing, and where it fits alongside other modalities, including psychedelic therapy. Whether you're deeply familiar with this work or don't know too much about it, I think you'll find this to be a grounded and thought-provoking conversation. Hope you enjoy. Well, Arlen, thank you so much for being with uh being here today with with me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01

Of course. So if it's okay with you, we'll just kind of begin by getting to know you a little bit more so the audience has an understanding of like who you are and and where you came from. And and so, yeah, like just kind of going back to the roots, like where where did you grow up and where'd you come from?

SPEAKER_00

Um, well, actually, I'm from Charleston. So believe it or not, Charleston, and I'm from here.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like you're you're rare unicorns these days, the true Charlestonians.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yeah. No, I'm actually I'm from Charleston. Um, like really the whole area I went to like I grew up in Mount Pleasant, believe it or not, too. But it was a lot different back then. It was not the Mount Pleasant that we see today.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, how was it different?

SPEAKER_00

It just, I mean, it's just uh, well, I mean, obviously the genre of people that live there more or less these days is a lot of money, a lot of, you know, and it it just wasn't quite there was a lot more, it was just different. It there's a lot of different things going on in Charleston or in Mount Pleasant back in the day. Um, but anyway, I I uh went to school in James Island. I went to school, I mean, I just kind of was all over the Charleston area when I was young.

SPEAKER_01

Nice.

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Growing up, um, did you have any like major influences that in terms of like things that shaped your life? And this could be like a certain person, um, music, hobbies, like anything in your life growing up that was like really influential to you?

SPEAKER_00

I think, yeah, I guess I had a lot of influence. I'm trying to think, like in particular, uh influence. Can you be more specific?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. No, like um like sometimes there's arena. Like for me, my dad was like, hey, this is a soccer ball. You're gonna play soccer, right? Like, so there's the things that like shaped me to then begin to love things in a certain way. Also, he like taught us the guitar, right? Like he introduced us to playing the guitar. So I'm just curious, is that anything else?

SPEAKER_00

So now that you say that, and it's the first thing I actually thought was music. Um, my dad, like that was uh I didn't really have I didn't come up with a really strong bond with my dad, but the bond we did have was um was music. Uh and and you know, he was my dad just he kind of my parents got divorced at a young age, and my dad was uh very much into substances and that sort of thing. So the connection between us, I didn't spend a lot of time with him and whatnot. But when I did, his method of speaking to me was really through music. So um, you know, for him back then it was like rock and roll and that sort of thing. So yeah, music for me, I have to say, now that we get into it, yeah, music it was my my strongest influence. It was kind of my emotional uh bearing. Like I didn't have a real strong emotional upbringing with my parents or my family. So that's kind of how I related to life was through music, through lyrics, that sort of thing. And so yeah, now that now let me get into it. That would definitely what I would say. Definitely what I would say. Music.

SPEAKER_01

Do you remember like who you were into, like growing like what bands or artists, like who did you really enjoy?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, depends on the the age bracket, but I remembered just this is the first thing that pops in my head was Michael Jackson, that thriller album. I had uh I had, you know, I remember dancing in my room, like and singing and dancing, and that that was kind of like what I would do. I'd shut the door and just like blast music and do my thing. Yeah. Choreograph, sing, pretend I was in videos, and you know.

SPEAKER_01

Amazing. That's so funny because my like I guess musical awakening was Michael Jackson uh Dangerous album.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Someone came out in '92, like '91.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I just remember like the first time hearing black, black or white. And I was like, what? And I just like couldn't help but like move my body. Uh, and then just started like discovering dance for myself. And when we had this uh old VHS tape of of him, and I like rewind and play that thing so much to like learn all the dance moves that it end up ended up like getting blurry and stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, yeah, Michael Jackson was the truth back then. That's he was such a he was the king, a pop.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Did you ever live outside of Charleston the the world?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So um, well, I was emancipated at 17. And even before then, I had started um like l I know it sounds crazy, but I was hitchhiking when I was like 15, 16 years old. I mean, it's definitely not something I'd recommend for kids to be doing these days. But I back then, that's that's what I did. I I um, you know, I knew kids uh like back in the 90s when I was around in Charleston, there there was uh a lot of more street culture. And um, so there were some like gutter punks I was friends with, and like we would just we'd hitchhike to um Black Mountain, you know, um to North Carolina, things like that. Um, and so when I was 17, I actually I started traveling. I just put I lived out of a backpack and um it wasn't like fancy style. I'm talking like I was like sleeping next to homeless people. Like it wasn't like I'm traveling, you know, and staying places and got it all figured out. It was like, you know, just survival in a lot of ways. But at the same time, that's how I got around. And so I I traveled a lot back then and I I and I landed on like a um a little like organic community, organic uh farm community in um North Carolina. And so I was there, and uh then I lived in St. Croix at one point, the Virgin Islands. I've lived in California, I lived in California, that was the last place I lived, and I actually was there for a while. Um more that's more recent, but um yeah, I've kind of lived all over, bounced around, done a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, amazing. I feel like uh the education of traveling and right and experiencing different places, different people, different cultures is like the ultimate education.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, my life experience, one thing I can stand on is I've had a lot of life experience, you know, from all different kinds of walks of life or different living in different kinds of lifestyles, you know, like um, like I said, like being around homeless people, like being basically a homeless person. I mean, that's in essence what I was as well. Um, so being there and then also like working for celebrities and doing like, you know, I've been in like, you know, work for millionaires, and so it's yeah, lived a lot of different experiencing the spectrums of life.

SPEAKER_01

Full spectrum, full spectrum. You mentioned um, I think this is on your website, but you mentioned that there was these three like game-changing energetic shifts that you experienced in your life. And so I was curious if you wanted to share like one of those and like how that changed everything for you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So that when I say that, what I it's hard to like, I know it's kind of hard to put it in something like how can I make this like tangible for people without like, you know, I don't know, it's a lot. But so I guess it started that my first, the first time I experienced that was in my early 20s. And um, I literally had this energetic movement, uh radical experience in the midst of praying. It was a it was a time I was praying and fasting. And um back then I was in the uh I went to church a lot. So I, you know, if you've heard of praying and fasting and like the Christian uh religion or whatnot, uh religion, I don't I was never religious, I would say I was definitely a spiritual, but I was into the Bible at that time. So um anyway, I was fasting and praying, and that's when I had, I just had this dynamic experience happen in the middle of that where it was literally like the the field around me shifted where coming from a ketamine place. I say uh it's it's it's like being in a multidimensional arena, but in your without the substance, you know, without any kind of it's kind of like you know, it's I guess you say the third eye blasting open, um, where I could sense everything around me. And um there's like this feeling that comes with it. And I know you can hear that you hear this from different um arenas of life, but kind of like that gamma state where you're like it just so blissed out, there's really not a word for it. Like there's no word to really explain what I was feeling in that that moment, and then the downloads that came with it and what it just what progressed after that experience. That was the first one, and then it just got more dynamic because the other ones happened years later, but in different ways. And the last one actually was right before I it was kind of the download of Awakened Sponda, which is what I've been doing with um sound. So it that was a time just kind of the the gates were blasted open once again. And this time it kind of felt like I mean, it's literally a tangible energy movement, like I could feel the energy moving, but it's so much bigger when I say that. It's not just like this, like, oh, it's just this energy moved in my body, and it's like, no, like the whole dynamic, like my consciousness shifted, everything shifted. And then what I experienced after that one was like a month of being like in what I would say, like kind of like a psychedelic uh state where you know, I just I mean the premonitions were insane, like the there's just like you know, we talk about synchronicities, like when you're really aligned, you know, you start getting those synchronicities in life, things like that. It was like that, but like there's really no words once again. It's like times 10, kind of like I could see my life in like a almost like a timeline, but it was like I could read everything so clear. I don't know if you ever heard the term that like the term, I guess I don't know how to say it, how but it's basically like everything is within, right? So like it was kind of like the book being flipped open from the inside out, is is the best way I could describe it. It was like all of a sudden everything made sense. All of a sudden, everything that I'm like, wait a second, I've known these things all this time, but it was like when everything just connects all at once, is kind of like what I was having. But like for like a good solid month, I would say this was in, I was in the heightened state. And then it just, you know, of course, I think it stays with you, but you're not in that heightened state that you're in when it actually happens. Some people would say it's like a kundalini movement, that sort of thing. That's another way people describe it. You know, I just I think uh we're all you know capable of having these sorts of experiences, but I think that like there was nothing I was doing to try to make it happen. That's the most important thing I think about it to to note was it wasn't anything I was like saying, Oh, give me this, like I didn't even know what it was. I had to figure it took years to even figure out what was happening to me, you know, and why it was happening. And still, I mean, there's so much I don't know, and I'll never probably know. But for whatever reason, it was my time. This this lifetime was my time to experience this and I take it for what it is. Nice roll with it.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like ever since we were conscious as a species, we've always wanted to like explore it. And so it's cool how you were basically implementing these ancient traditions of entering into non-ordinary state of consciousness with with prayer and fasting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And then what you just described was like a full-blown psychedelic experience without any psychedelic, right? Like using your own body, your own mind, uh, which is the ultimate goal, essentially, right?

SPEAKER_00

I think it's yeah, ultimately, I think what it comes down to is truly just being open. Like it just I always did say, and I'll say this like since I was like young, because I've always been like always had conversations with God. I mean, I was very much alone in my life, you know, with what I had going on. But for whatever reason, I always I remember crying out to God or always being like, you know, even if it was just like, why? What is this? You know, but I always had this like already a knowing, like from whatever, for whatever reason. I don't know how it was just there. I kind of like came into the world not questioning that. I just kind of knew there was something greater outs or greater going on. I shouldn't know what it was. And so I did always have kind of I went a I went through a lot of really harsh realities and call them traumas and stuff in life. And I just always um kind of asked, you know, God in my prayer state, I guess you'd say is just, you know, like whatever this, I just want to know more. I was just always open to knowing more. Like what I was just open, period. I guess that's that's the point I'm getting to. But yeah, maybe you know, maybe that has something to do with the whole it it welcoming it in and being open to whatever I guess whatever we're doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think allowed you to remain open and curious versus you know, sometimes when people are experiencing trauma early on, uh you go the other way, right? You become closed off and resentful, yeah. Um, which can which is valid because you know people are going through some tough tough things. But do you have an understanding of how you were able to to transcend that?

SPEAKER_00

So yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of ups and downs with it. I don't think there was ever like just always like for sure positive, or there's gonna be definitely not. Um, because yeah, I mean, and I've I've dealt with a lot of different arenas like in my life where I just escapism, like how can I just escape? I did a lot, matter of fact, speaking of psychedelics, I did a lot of psychedelics when I was very young. So it started around like 13, 14. I started doing LSD and things like that. So maybe that has something to do with it too. I'm blasting myself um, you know, open in different ways when I was young. But I don't know. I I always just you know, I had what I was getting to was, you know, there was a part of me that always, yeah, wanted to escape things sometimes. Just how can I just get out of this and not um, you know, feel all the things, apparently. Uh I think I learned that later that I was trying to suppress the feelings and what I, you know, the things we want, we need to look at, right? But uh yeah, I don't know. I I um I don't really know what what what it was that kept me has always kept me so on task. But you know, I I do like to say, you know, I think I'm here for a greater purpose and you know, and all the things I do believe that I've gone through is it's so I could serve that greater purpose in a way that I can relate to not just a few or just uh this genre of people, but many people. So I don't know. I don't know. I also like to think this is my last time here. I'm not coming back next time. So that's what I feel about it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So we'll just we're just getting it done. This go around.

SPEAKER_01

This is it. Nice. Yeah. What originally pulled you into the work that you're that you've been doing for the last 20 years? Like what was it that made you decide to focus on like the healing aspect and all the different modalities that you do?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, well, that started when I was young. So like when I was gosh, around 13, 14, I would say, is when I decided I was gonna be vegetarian. My family, you know, like are they just thought I was crazy, of course, because they'd never heard of such a thing, you know. Um but and it wasn't like anything, it was just kind of like I just felt it. Like I've always been very, you know, like I just felt like, you know, I just don't want to eat this. And usually if people are doing things, I found myself when I was young always noticing that like if other people were doing it and the masses are doing it, I didn't want to do it. Like I just had this natural rebellious nature about me. Just naturally had there must be something else then. If you're all y'all are doing it, there's gotta be another reason a way to go about this. And um, so um, yeah, so it's starting when I was young, it was just just getting into nutrition and like different learning about things. I mean, I was self-taught back then by book, not not you know, internet, but I would read and um and learn and like I I was doing energy work at like gosh, I started when I was like 17 or 18 and getting into that. So that's like back then that was totally weird.

SPEAKER_02

You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it was just totally obscure. So I was always like looking and I don't know, I was just interested in it. I like I said, I think it's just a greater purpose kind of thing. And um massage therapies where it really like that was when I really uh got into the body work and things like that. And that was 20 plus years ago, I don't even know, 20 some odd. Um, and then it just grew from there, you know. It's just like I said, I'll uh you know, just into more of the spiritual side of life and more of the like God and what is all this, and and how can we do better and fuck the system because that's just kind of always been my attitude.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, rage against the machine.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was one of my favorite. They were one of my greatest inspirations, actually.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome, yeah. Yeah, there's something about not going with the flow that everyone else is going with, and that like there's something within you that has always craved for self-expression in the way that you want it to be versus how society wants you to express ourselves. And it sounds like you've really listened to that most like in your entire life.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think some of us we did. We came into the the earth, you know, we came here like out of the womb, and we were already, you know, there's yogis believed all kinds of different things about that, but like, you know, for whatever reason, some of us just come and we're a little more open already. Like maybe we've done this a few times, you know, like some something in us is already like has an awareness, you know. And then the rest is just kind of like peeling back all the programs and the things we got, you know, infused into us since we were in the womb. And um so yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Can you tell us about Awaken Spanda and like what that means and how that came about?

SPEAKER_00

And yeah. So that um so sound in general, that like the whole idea of like sound therapy. I had experienced right before I had that last energetic movement, the really big one I was just talking about. Um, I had Well, mind you, I gone through one a few years prior. That one kind of set me into this like totally dark night of the soul. If you know what I'm saying there. Dark night of the soul is kind of like when you you just kind of you get taken into hell, the frequency of hell, to kind of see what's going on. And then we see what's going on. And hopefully we break out of that and integrate, integrate some of the shadow. Yes, lots of shadow. So I had hit this like for a couple of years I spent after that second movement just in I went all the way to that frequency of hell and saw a lot of shadow and um and then worked through that. And as I was coming out of it, I had I quit drinking and I had quit, you know, um, I was just trying to clean up my like, get into my body, for whatever. I was just lead all led by intuition, truly. I was just listening. I was like, what do I need to be doing? You know, how do I change this trajectory I was on? And um, I got me and my friend, I was in California, and my friend was like, I told her, I was like, I don't want to go to like any shows and like be doing all this because usually we'll go to shows, drink, and you know, just all the the mayhem begins. Um, so we decided to do some healthy things, like go to yoga, and she found a sound bath. And I was like, well, I don't know what a sound bath. She said it was like gongs and all these things. And I'm like, at that time I had no idea. I was like, okay, it sounds intriguing, don't care, just sign me up. So I ended up going to that. And um, it was a breath work and sound, so it was like a transformational breath work, very much like the um what a holotropic kind of breath work. And um something happened in that space that was just that that shifted my trajectory. I had a really radical experience um physically, like in my body, but also, you know, in different planes. Like I was uh literally have having conversations with God. I mean, there were mantras that came to me that I walked with for like three years after that, you know. And I truly believe that that almost was like an initiator, like that experience. Like I couldn't even talk for like 24 hours after it because I was just trying to like compute it all, or you know, like I say, integrate, you know. I just I just didn't even know how to express. I knew it was amazing and something really radical had happened, but I didn't know what. And um, so anyway, it's it just got me into like I delved into like sound and and learning what it was after that experience. I was like, well, I don't know what this is, but I gotta know. And I was already into music. So like things just kind of like it was like holistic, and then it kind of involved music. And I'm like, what is this? I went in, I went on to have that a few months later. I ended up training, and then I had this radical, another energetic movement. And right after that one, that was like it. It was like the download came. And sponda was a word that came to me, and I had no idea what it was, but I just looked it up and things like that would happen. And a lot of time it was, there's always something to it. So I was like, okay, it was just one of those normal things. There was sponda. And sponda is actually a Sanskrit word that means the primordial vibration of the universe and of our being. So it's like in like ancient tantric yoga, the true foundational tantric yoga, not talking about all the sexual tantric yoga. Um, that we yeah, we won't get into that one. But the true art of it, um, that's where sponda came from. And so I just knew when I heard it, I was like, that's that's it. And awake and sponda was like the name of like when this is like, you know, when it was all being created. And I was like, that's it, awake and sponda. And uh so that's that's what stuck with it, you know. It made all the sense in the world, you know.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing that this word alignment. Yeah, pure alignment. Yeah, and the word that just came to you that you had no idea of at the roots of it. No idea signified exactly what you were experiencing and what you wanted to do and happen to.

SPEAKER_00

And that's like the proof to me is when I that's why I always stress like it really is like everything is all within us. It's all within our consciousness, it's all in here with us. And all the things we read on the outside, the books, you know, the things we learn out here, is all just confirmation when you think about it. You know what I mean? It's like we truly we already know these things, we but you don't know it until you know it. It's like it's an embodiment of it, you know. But like that's one thing those those energy movements kind of taught me was like, you know, there's a difference between embodying it, you can have all the information in the world. We have tons of information on our fingertips every day. With we can get on online and learn all the things about stuff, but there's something different that happens when it's an embodiment and there's like this like you actually really understand it. You don't just understand it, you didn't read it, it's not out here still, it's here. I don't know. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, just kind of like how you were relating earlier when you it's almost like you discover that the universe is inside of you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like everything is already within us, and it's just finding the ways to like access it.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes, which is why meditation, like that's oh, it's that's that's why I do what I do. Because it's like there's no better place to be than if you can be taken in, you know, you're you're now accessing into the awareness. And once you get it to you have the awareness of it, then boom, you can change change things, make things happen, you know. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, it's PowerPoint. Exactly right. I feel like we we do very similar work with different like medicines, right? Like you your medicine is sound and vibrations and somatic touch and and then like I'm using like ketamine, the more like uh psychedelic, but we're both aiming to go inward to discover what's within to empower someone with their own with their own wisdom that's there that's hard to again like tap into.

SPEAKER_00

To access, yeah. Yeah, it's like you gotta clean, like you gotta get through all the stuff to get to it sometimes, you know. Out here we're just kind of fighting against things all the time, but when you go within, it's just there. And it shows up in in the order, I guess, that it's it's supposed to show up for us individually when we go that way.

SPEAKER_01

When you talk about sounds, there's this idea of uh vibratory energetics. Can you kind of explain that for people that don't know what that means and how it relates to the body and sound?

SPEAKER_00

Vibratory energetics?

SPEAKER_01

Correct.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so our vibratory energetics, I see it as kind of like really like when you think of like our five senses. So it's like it's what our our vibratory system is made up of. So it's all the things we consume, right? Through our eyes, ears, nose, mouth, all the things that make up like our system of vibratory energetics. Um, of course, I believe we all have a unique energetic signature, you know. I think that's what we're trying to access when we go in is like, how do we get to who who are we? I mean, really, it's all about knowing thyself. But I use the term vibratory energetics when I'm just, you know, when we're trying to explain or when we're talking or referencing our energetics, our vibratory energetics. Because we're all we're all sound, we're all vibration. We're all every little piece of us, you know, every little piece of our body and everything we make up. So everything we consume is going to affect our vibratory system. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01

So is in a way, like, is that how we understand sound interacting with our nervous system? Like, uh, or how is that different?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that I mean, that's a good, yeah, absolutely. Because your vibratory energetics, I mean it's whatever's in, it's just your energetic system, right? So your we're all we consist of, I mean, it mapping systems all over the world are a little different, but like, you know, we are we're familiar, we have with the chakras is the one people are most aware of. And then you have with the chakras, then you have the um nodis, which is all the little tiny energy channels through the body. And this is in like Indian uh the mapping system in the Indian culture, more or less. Then you have like in Chinese medicine, you have the Dantiens, which are would be like the chakras, and then the meridians, which acupuncture, obviously. And and then you have your extraordinary energy channels, which are like your kundalini channels, like your Shishumna, which is like the main centers. And those are the ones I feel like we haven't even touched on in existence yet, you know? It's still very, it's more esoteric, seen more esoterically, because it's just and I I believe that this is just part of our consciousness because you can't until we're collectively aware more of it. We it's hard to bring it online, you know, because people aren't necessarily ready for it in a lot of ways. I mean, it's very multidimensional when we get into the that aspect of self and really your life force, the very channel that like those those main channels are what keep us here. That's what keeps us alive and existing and I think are connected to our soul value, you know. And uh there's just so much depth in there. Do you know what I mean? Which makes it very esoteric in nature, but um yeah, so all of that down to like just the ones we more or less know of the more superficial channels of energy, just we're we're just energetic beings. So I think vibratory energetics is just a term of like it's our re referring to our energy system, basically, our our own mapping system. Okay, nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So in in therapy and psychiatry, we talk a lot about like regulating the nervous system. Yeah. So I was curious of during a session when you're when you're giving a sound bath and maybe one-on-one with someone or or in a group, like what do you what do you notice that's happening in people's nervous systems or as you're beginning to to do your the sounds, or I'm just curious of like is there something that you you're like you're always noticed as happening and in terms of like when people come in and maybe like a little bit nervous and yes, well, yep, absolutely, because people are coming in and generally they're coming from all different places in life, obviously, especially with a group.

SPEAKER_00

So, you know, yes, you kind of need some time, I think, to shake off some of that stuff you come in with, you know, because you come in like people and people come in really heavy sometimes. One day you might come in really heavy, one day you might come in feeling great, but the nervous system is kind of on a different note because despite how people look or look on the outside, their nervous system can be completely different, you know. But yeah, I mean things I notice, I mean, just I think that just from fit, you know, physically noticing, I guess, you know, like I mean, the people come in, yeah, they got all this stuff going on, and then we I kind of take them personally, my my experience, I'll take them through a little walk down so we can kind of have time to to get into the energetics, you know, to like kind of shake some things off and and then walk down into a slow meditation and then then they're really prepared. Their system's more prepared for the experience rather than just coming in and they just lay down and have this experience. It just connects women more, I think, you know. And usually when they're leaving, the thing is it's like it could be different every time. Cause sometimes people, you know, one thing I I can generally guarantee not this isn't gonna be true for everybody, but they're gonna if they after a little time of like leaving, they're you you feel a difference, like you feel more balanced, you feel more like settled, you know. But it's always gonna be slightly different because everybody's gonna feel something a little different depending on what they got going on, like I said, but it definitely recenters you, I think, especially with the approach I have. It's more of like a the intent is always to rebalance the system regardless of what's going on. So so that's my hope is that they're gonna feel really, you know, a lot more aligned, you know, of course, yeah all the time after.

SPEAKER_01

And I've had the honor to be in one of your recessions, and I just really appreciated how you you did begin with like the somatic touching, right? You had to stand up and like tapping parts of our bodies to just kind of ground ourselves into the moment, yeah. Um, kind of prepare before diving in. I thought that was such a cool touch. And then maybe you can talk about this, but I feel like there, there's an intentional arc of the sound journey that you create that allows for like you know, gently lifting off into the journey and then like coming back down. And and I'm I'm sure there's like it's purposely uh curated in that way. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's definitely like an overall kind of like landscape, I guess, of this of the soundscape. Now it can be different every time. I mean, and I do like well, I'll adjust things, or sometimes things will just happen throughout it, like or I might like just change things all of a sudden. Like I might think I'm going one way and then I end up going a different way. Or, you know, and that could be just even in like the sound in general. Like maybe it's super slow one time sometime, and then another time it might be like I get a little more aggressive with things, you know. So it could be just different, kind of depending on what I'm picking up on or what's what's going on.

SPEAKER_01

So you're almost like uh improvising at times, and then you're also like utilizing DJ skills of reading the crowd and seeing what's happening, and then adjusting accordingly to like go with the flow of what's happening versus having like a set thing that you're gonna stick to, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, I'll have like a like I always say, and I teach this too, is like kind of a framework. So, you know, you you have a framework all the time, but then you want to allow yourself while you're in the space to you know kind of yeah, improvise and then just flow with what's feeling what's coming up. And it can be all kinds of things. Yeah. But that's one thing I'll I I think as time's gone on too. I really feel, especially lately, like there's just always such a a piece I feel after on these days. Like we're you know, as we're wrapping it up, it's like I'll watch the next one I have will be like mayhem. But but no, it's uh it's just I don't know, it's just it's a very, it's a strong practice. I think what we've created is just a really strong practice of coming back to balance and recentering every time. So you know you can show up. That's really what I feel I wanted to create was something that was really tangible and that people, it was a practice or it is a practice, so that when you come, like you kind of know you're gonna leave like restored, you know, no matter what goes on in that journey, and anything can come up, as you would know with ketamine or you know, that you know, you're gonna leave like you know, you got what you needed to get out of that, and it just feels super peaceful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Have you ever um I'm I'm sure I know the answer to this, but uh have you ever seen like these really cathartic like emotional releases during one of your journeys, or someone's kind of just been holding something, or maybe they didn't even know they were kind of like holding this in, and then somehow like things clicked clicked open and we were able to like tap into allowing them to feel something that they had been like um yes, suppressing unconsciously.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, 100%. 100%. Um, and it's even more like when I include the breath work with it, when we do like the breath work and sound, it's even far more like that's a big one. That's that's a really that takes a lot a little more commitment. Like I always say it's kind of like my level two soundbath. Because it's it's a different kind of commitment to uh, you know, sound bath, you can come in and it can be very passive experience. You're not, you know, engaging in the breath um particularly. But um, but yes, people have all kinds of experience. Sometimes I see it, sometimes I don't see it, but they'll tell me about it regardless, you know. Sometimes it's tears, you know, sometimes people just they'll move their body in different ways, you know. I think people these days is it's interesting, but I think as we've started to learn, or people have been more involved in these sorts of practices, they kind of know more, they they they know how to release things better. Do you know what I mean? They find their ways, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, whether it's through the physical body or just being able to go in internally and be able to release the things, you know, or whatever it might be. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, people definitely have some moving experiences, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it must be super cool. Kind of like when when I'm working with clients here, a lot of times I have no idea like what's happening internally for them. And they're just, you know, they're still and quiet. So then when they come out of the journey, it's always like really interesting to see like what came up for them. So I'm sure when people come up to you afterwards or share with you your it's probably a cool part of the work.

SPEAKER_00

It is definitely. Um, I I love that part of it. Um, and it's always funny because sometimes it can be the person just just laying there, like just you don't think anything's going on. And then they're like, come out with this like life-changing experience. That's that's another reason why we should never judge anything, right? It's like you just never know what's happening in people's experience. And I really honor that in the space, and and I I try to help everybody get into the understanding of that so they can honor that for themselves and other people too, is like we're all so individual and we're all so different, and we're all so unique. We're all going through different things. So we honor that in the space. Like we're not, I'm not trying to put everybody in the same, you know, I would never put everybody in the same category because we're, you know what I mean? Like, so there's really a lot of room for that. And then I find ways of kind of keeping, though we're all individual, we are collectively together in it, you know? So, like just by little things I do, like to have them like, you know, like even if it's like it's like lying in the same direction or things like that, it kind of keeps them, it keeps the energies, different methods I found through through just experience of doing the sound bass, uh, uh, you know, or these any kind of these experiences to keep it like in order, but also um individual. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01

Makes sense. I think that uh plays into like how you you create a safe container for people to be able to express themselves in a way that would that feels safe and be individual. Yeah, but also uh there's safety there too. Yeah. I think for things not to get like too out of hand that people are able to express that and feel safe at the same time and not feel like they have to restrict themselves.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And the energy, it's just really important. I think that's the dynamics of the of energy. That's one thing, yeah, I'm really um adamant about. But you know, just just getting into understanding how the how energy flows. And I think a lot of that just I think came with experience of learning. Um, because nobody even taught me that when I was learning about sound or any kind of energy training or anything. There's just aspects I think you you don't learn until you just keep you're experiencing it constantly. And so just keeping that energy flowing. Do you know what I mean? So it's not like getting all janked up and people are that's where you have a lot of things happen that get a little out of control or people get, you know, thrown off, or I don't know. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

One thing I will say, uh this is a huge note, is is you know, because you know, the work I do, I call it transformational sound for a reason because it really is when you take people within, you're taking them in the darkness, you're taking them to a place that we don't know at all. It's like it's like going to space or or underwater, you really we don't know everything. It's a lot of unknown territory there. And it's also like you're you're reflecting in yourself. There's a lot of shadow in there. And it when you're dealing with transformational things, like just like with the kid of me, you're you're you're dealing with the shadow self as well. And I've been in spaces where obviously like a lot of people aren't as aware of shadow, and so they could come out of their experience and they're mad at me because they didn't l like something or You know, or they saw something dark and then they think that I, you know, there's all kinds of blame and things that can happen. So that's something that really I have been seasoned well and dealing with these sorts of things. And it's it's a wild, wild uh thing to have to um process through, you know. The shadow is um anytime you're putting yourself up as a facilitator or teacher or any to to be seen like that and in such a way, uh, you can get a lot of stones thrown at you. That's I guess what I'm trying to get to is I've experienced a lot of different um things in that regard.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think yeah, if people have not done the the work before, there can they can have these experiences and then project it onto you. Yes. Like projecting their shadow onto you. 100%.

SPEAKER_00

If they're not familiar with it, not familiar with it, it happens. And unfortunately, in the the line of my you know, my stuff, because I I mean I could be at a yoga studio doing it, and we have a beginner of like any kind, somebody that's not even has doesn't even know anything about any of this kind of stuff. So, you know, I I've learned over the years, there's just it's just wild at what I've learned, just in the experience itself. I'm here for it though, you know, that's what I'm here for. I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and just kind of reflecting on on your life journey, like if you wouldn't have experienced those difficulties early on and and hitchhiking and living uh in uncertainty and all these life adventures, those experiences have allowed you to now be able to hold the space and you're just like kind of understanding the human experiences and the ups and downs and how people can come with anger and or happiness, and uh so it's it's cool that you're able to feel comfortable in that space because of what you've already experienced in life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And in the beginning, I will say, you know, because I I didn't know any of this. Nobody told me about this part of it when I got in there. And, you know, I I think also, you know, we all have my teachers, I mean, they they're they're different from me too, you know. Like I think we're all here for specific. Like I said, I I'm so into I've just really uh elaborating on the fact that we all are this inner this unique energetic signature. So like I came here to do something, you came here different to do. It's just, and we're gonna serve people the way we best are here to serve them energetically. And um, yeah, it's just like could have never been, I was not prepared for it, but it's one of those hard you do you just learn as you go. And um, there's a lot of things that come along with that, but yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. What instruments do you bring into the journey that I know you have a lot of them, but what what are like your go-tos and and and why do you like each one? And do do certain instruments have a certain purpose for what you're doing?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so the first thing I was ever really drawn to as far as instruments was the gongs. I mean, the gongs were always my favorite from the very beginning. It's what I had a really radical experience with myself. So, um, and then I'm also a percussionist by nature, so it's like um I think that might have been why I was attracted to those the most too. Um, they're just really powerful, powerful instruments. So there's gongs, and of course, there's the singing bowls and the Tibetan singing bowls, I say Tibetan singing bowls, but metal singing bowls and crystal singing bowls, which I love both. Um, I think metal. I'm just really attracted to metal, probably more. Of course, I say all this, I'll say this, and then it's like, you know, tomorrow, like my favorite thing is the crystal bowl. But but yeah, so so things like so it's just really the bowls, the gongs, um, lots of chimes. I'm a big chime, I love all kinds of different chimey things. And because I am into percussion and always have been, I used to play in a band. Um, I just like all the odds and ends. Like I like the weird sound, like to create like something. Like if I go to a different country, or if I go anywhere, I'm always picking up like a little rattle or something that I find, like even at a street market, you know. Um, just things I can make some sort of sound with. And then recently, like I use frequencies a lot. So I'm using my I bought a DJ deck a couple years ago, or two years ago or a year ago. Gosh, I lose track of time, maybe like a year ago. Anyway, but I got that for the music, you know, which would be a whole different thing. Um I got it so performing I could play my tracks, that sort of thing, and to create my own set list. And so then I started like creating things for, you know, sound, uh, for for the sound bass. And so now I'm kind of using the audio along with the sound tools or the sound instruments. So I've got a little bit of everything going on right now. Nice.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but that's the trajectory right now of any sound bass, definitely bringing the audio in. I always knew that would come at some point. I always saw it. I just uh didn't know when or how, just been on the journey, and we finally have integrated all that in.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I'm actually gonna be sharing it at Live Wild Fest coming up May 2nd. Um, that's here in Charleston. So it'll be my first time in a really, you know, a larger setting doing this. So it's pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Super exciting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like that kind of parallels just kind of what's happening right now. And there's like this blending of like analog and digital and old and and new and and like all these things are kind of coming together, and so it's cool that you're bringing in kind of like this new technology with ain't with ancient tradition to create like this new sound essentially.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, the the times are are so fascinating right now. It's it's like we were talking about, it's just a lot of change going on. And so during those times, I think it's just natural that everybody, it's just kind of like all these new like little invention type things are going on. And I feel like I've been doing that for a while, but it's like nobody would catch on to it back then. Now I feel like people are receiving it. They're actually like, oh, okay. Like it's receptive, it's received now. But you know, when I started doing sound, it was just more like it felt more, you know. This is eight years ago when I started here in Charleston. It's like pioneering something completely new in the South, you know, because nobody knew what they're like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I feel you on that.

SPEAKER_00

What are these bowls? What are I mean? Obviously, yeah, you're the same, you know, same boat. It's it's it's literally, and when you're a pioneer, you know, it's it's tough because you gotta there's no way laid out for you. You have to, you're navigating this on your own using your own internal compass. And not everybody does that, you know? Takes a very uh you know, special person, unique signature to be able to lead like that and to you know do what comes along with that. Yeah, it's hard.

SPEAKER_01

Like eight years ago, yeah. And then you stuck with it, right? Like despite everything, you're you kept going.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I did. I stuck with it, and and it was like it's so beautiful because you know, how I was making paying my bills and doing doing sound baths, you know, sound like and it was a gradual process. Like it, I mean it was a gradual process, but it, you know, God, I feel like and I say God, I say a lot of things, but God is I just feel like the way was kind of led. As long as I was committed to it, there was always it was always provided for in some way, do you know? But I also feel like this is part of like my what I needed to do here was like bring sound and and hold it in integrity because that's the problem. I don't get into the issues of what the the world that our culture can do to really sacred things is you know siphon all the integrity out of it. And I see a lot of that happening with some of it right now. Um, but it's not gonna because there's people like me. We're gonna keep it going. I'm gonna, you know, keep it, keep it fresh, keep it unique, keep it true to to what it is, which means keep the the feminine energy in it and keep the does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02

Correct.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like we're gonna keep just you know, keep going within.

SPEAKER_01

That's the goal. Keep it sacred. Yeah, that's awesome. Um yeah, the integrity part is also a big theme right now in the psychedelic space too, right? Like you said, like the siphoning off of uh certain traditions and um not like paying respect to those like cultures or practices or like ethically practicing psychedelic work without training or everybody's a practitioner. Like a guru in a shamana. And so yeah, I love that you're respectful to the medicine of music.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, and creativity. It's you know, cre uh healers, okay, healers, I and I say that word loosely because I I kind of hate being called a healer ever. I'm like, ugh, we're just integrating here, right? But like, but he healers are creatives, right? So shamans or whoever, however, whatever term you want to use, like you, your work, right? The work I do, you know, and musicians and creatives and artists, these are people operating out of the feminine, right? They're they're people operating out of the integrity of like channeling. It's it's really God. It's it's God to say the least, or however, you know, source energy. It's it's a it's not a system, right? And for the the system that we live in, it just literally since we've been here on this planet, it's just the feminine energy has been siphoned from and made to be like this like uh producer of of goods and money and things. And so the spirit gets siphoned out of what is sacred. And anyway, I'm here to just annihilate that. That's that's what I feel like. If anything, energetically, I hold that frequency that's like I'm I'm not gonna be having that. So anything you catch me doing is gonna keep it real and keep it true ethically, you know, integrity, integrity, it's integral, right? So I call integral soundwork.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um, and so you're you're doing like a large scale sound bath at the festival, like what the Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So um, yeah, that's Live Wild Fest is like a it's a wellness. Have you heard of it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I've heard of it, but I've never so um I think it started like this is the second one.

SPEAKER_00

It started three years ago, I think. And I did the first one. And um, yeah, so it's like a people will come to different, like at the festival, you can go to different um little areas where they have like different local people in Charleston will be doing um it's a lot of like fitness things or yoga or there's EDM music though, too. So it's really cool. They have great artists coming. And then there's like sound, and I don't know what else she'll have this year. There's all kinds of stuff, I'm sure. But last time it was a really large group that we we had, and so I'm hoping to have another large group. And um, I like working with big crowds, you know. It's been a while since I've done that because I feel like this past 2025 was just so rough and weird for everybody. I seem to have a lot more like smaller intimate groups, which are great too. But I'm ready for I'm ready to have a big group again. Nice, yeah. I enjoy it. I enjoy that. Not all the time, but I like the little groups, but wonderful.

SPEAKER_01

Um is is there anything about uh your journey or or sound uh healing in in general that that we haven't touched upon that that you feel like we should talk about or and maybe you feel it's important?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um well, I mean, I guess there's so much to say, but I think like really um I would just want to encourage anybody listening if you haven't been to, you know, a sound experience to to try it out. You know, like it's you know, it can be now with the right, not say the right, but like when you're with a practitioner that knows, you know, what they got going on, um you really can have such a powerful experience, you know, somebody that really can hold the space. And I think it's it's an important thing to to keep in a practice, you know, and to learn about. Maybe, you know, just uh if more people were delving into energetics. The beauty of the beauty of sound is it really introduces energy differently than say like Reiki. Okay. And I and that's Reiki is great. Uh I'm not bagging on Reiki in any means, but you know, we are all energy, like our we are a makeup of energy. And I think it's so important that we learn just the fundamental essence of energy, how we operate, you know, and and with sound in my practice and Wake and Sponda, I'm able to help people get a more tangible grip on energy, I feel. And I've had people express this to me that that's one of the things they really receive out of it. It's just being able to understand energy and that we're all energy workers. You don't Reiki is something, it's a great back in the 90s when I was doing in Reiki and whatnot. It's a great introduction if you don't like understand the concept of energy. I mean, right, it's always been woo-woo, right? It's like this woo-woo concept of oh, what does that actually mean? But we have our our frequency on earth has changed, it's shifted dynamically, and people are really starting to understand more or be more open to that concept that we are all energy. There's just so much more to it. And my point is, is I just feel like you know, getting a real grasp that you are an energy worker every day of your life. You don't need to, I could go work on somebody. Reiki is more of an outsource, even the concept of it, totally different. And what I find with Reiki a lot of the times, I I mean, I've teach a lot of people who are Reiki masters and Reiki this, that. And when we get down into like the energetics, what I'm finding is that a lot of them don't even understand the true fundamental concept of energy and how it works from a quantum, like more quantum aspect. So it's kind of like a relearning. And um when I say this, like I said, I'm not bagging on anything. I think it's beautiful that if anything, we're learning about energy. But I think it could be so much more empowering if we start to learn from more of a fundamental aspect, you know, that it's from with it's from inside out. Do you know? And it's not this out, it doesn't have to be this outside concept, outsourced concept. I think it would empower people a hundred times over. Do you know what I mean? In their life and their walk and their personal journey. And that is the whole point. What I do is not to keep people coming back for more. I don't, I don't need that. I want to see people get well. Not well. Well's terrible. Scratch that. I want people to be empowered in their life, you know. That's what we that's what we all really want, I think, you know, right? It's to be sovereign, it's to be like whole, complete, not needing all the things out here. I mean, we do relationally help each other along, but the point is I think sound has the sound or you know, just energy work as a whole has uh the quality to do that for people, to get people there. Like, and they don't need anything else to do it. And so we're we're getting there. We're we're um we're we're there. What am I talking about? We're already there, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome, yeah. No, I love that you added that. That's that's beautiful. Um, we're on the same page, we're we're in the same tribe.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I I believe so.

SPEAKER_01

Um just like yeah, the concept of allowing people to discover themselves, which then is empowering versus like having to rely on external factors, right? That's yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The sound is like, you know, I mean, it's like I remember somebody said and this is best, I remember somebody uh this is just an example. Like uh I when I was doing big events over um at a yoga studio in Mount Pleasant for a while. This is when nobody was really doing anything. And do we have built this huge? I mean, there was people, it was packed every time, every every once a month when I did it. And I remember somebody saying, like, like she came up to me after and she's like, oh my God. She's like, What was that? She's like, I just like thought like, and I'm like, what? Like I just played bowls, and she's like, Yeah. Like, because when you hear sound bath, you people just go, Oh yeah, I've been to that. I've been I've done that. Like, but then you haven't really been to an experience. And it's not really about the sound, right? So the bowls, the instruments, the tools we use are exactly that. They're just tools. Like the real place you want to this like for me, truly facilitating is getting people into themselves. I it doesn't matter what I have to even use. So ultimately, it's really Wake and Spawn is based in energy. It's energy. I just use the sound and all the things. Shit, I use like writing sometimes. I use art, I use different modalities to help us get there. But the whole point is to get you in, right? And you know, I use like the energetics to to help get you, you know, a little more balanced or in the know of yourself or whatnot. But like I guess that that's my point. The potential is really just to get people into energy, but energy first, energy. We're we're all energy, life force. If we didn't have it, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. So I think the curiosity of just getting to know ourselves should be on the forefront rather than say like Reiki. It's like when people want to, and I'm just like I'm not bagging on Reiki, but it's just a point I want to make clear. And I've I've steered away from it for so long because I don't want to offend people. But I think um my days of worrying about offending people are over after this past year. I'm done. Yeah. But um, okay, well, the whole point is yeah, I'm having this conversation now finally. Um it's just it's it's not pinning things against each other. It's just that now, okay, we got that far now. We gotta, we gotta start going a little deeper. And it's we have to get to know ourselves, period.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's it. No, I mean what you're just saying. I can tell like you're so passionate about this, right? And it's like so.

SPEAKER_00

It changed my life, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I've watched it change numerous lives. I watched people literally start with me, and then like I've watched immediate radically all of a sudden they're like boom, and they're like starting to do new things and doing because they just started listening to themselves. It was already, already there. They just had to trust it and happen to their discernment and start acting. That's it. But it's just it's just so powerful. Art is so powerful, right? Like all the things that we just don't are, it's just it's not us, it's our culture, what we've been, we've come up with. We just have devalued, like, I mean, look at the artist, right? Or the healers, always the struggling artist, you know. Why are they not paid? Why when they're the ones actually moving things, but then you know, we just we just get shoved into the system or have our our energy sife and people will take the cre maybe the creative's ideas and then make money off of it somewhere else, you know. So it's just things have been all inverted and fucked up here. We know that. I I want to set the record straight the best I can while I actually have time here, you know. All right. So that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well, I appreciate you for all the work you're doing. Uh trying to, yeah, rebalancing everything and rebalancing the energy and then helping people unblock um their ability to access, right? Yeah. It's almost like you're the freak. Frequencies can help tune into someone's frequency and help unblock whatever's kind of keeping them from accessing that. And then, like you said, afterwards, then they're more aligned to their authentic way that they want to live their lives. And so then you see them start doing things that they were scared to do or make decisions that they were afraid to take.

SPEAKER_00

Now I remember what I was gonna say that I forgot. Okay, we're back. We're going in. Hold on. Um, so okay, so like this is where I was talking about Reiki and sound. So this is another reason why, say, like people like uh over the years, like I've, you know, you'll see people do like sound bath with Reiki together, right? I have an integrity. Spirit has not allowed me to do that. Why? Because I hold this integral line. I because when you start involving the two, what you're doing is taking some of that power. Like I'm there sound in the sound work we do at Awake and Sponda is to help people be empowered to get to know their own energy, to know what's going on with them. When you have people walking around and touching and doing Reiki and doing their thing, you're now taking the you're shifting the power source, you see. And so it changes the um now. All of a sudden everybody thinks, was that the Reiki or was that the sound? Or what was or Reiki, not the sound, Reiki or the energy, right? And anyway, there's me holding my integrity. Now I just want to make that very clear because there's a reason why we do things and we don't do things. You know, I've pulled away from working with many people over the years because of that very reason, because I hold the integrity. The whole point is to help people begin to be empowered into their own energy. Because what we can do, just through like qi gong, even and we use qi yong techniques, but uh once you get into the awareness of your own body, you can find the spaces and you can then begin to sit and feel into the energy. You see what I'm saying? It's teaching people how to truly be an energy worker of themselves and of life and everything. And so that's that's what that's why I I said that. And I think that's really important. I needed to share it for whatever reason, but there is a difference between the two.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, until we understand.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome. So typically at at the end of the podcast, I ask just kind of some different questions that are uh like have nothing to do with what we've been talking about.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Um is it okay if I I ask you those and oh yeah, absolutely. We'll end there. Um if you could have a dinner party with three people, oh, and this could be famous, not famous, living uh or or have died. Oh my god, who would you invite to this dinner party and and why? Take your time with this because it's like a big question. Um, it's no rush.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Um now I'm gonna forget his name. Just wanted to came up right Walter Russell. Do you know who Walter Russell is?

SPEAKER_01

I've heard the name.

SPEAKER_00

He was um he's long past now, but he uh he was like he was kind of the blend of a scientist. He was very it was scientific, but he spoke science through art forms, modalities of art. But he spoke a lot about the blending of spirit and science, right? He's way more okay. So even Albert Einstein told him, like when he showed him his material, basically, he's like, you need to put that up because the world is not ready for you yet. Literally, I mean, like I think the the church, actually, the Catholic, uh, they when they saw his first book, I guess, or when they found out what he was writing, he was in, oh, he was disobedient. Do you know what I mean? Like they tried to shut him down. And I'm not sure even how he passed or anything like that. But he was one of these, these when I went through that last energetic movement, and all these downloads, things were just coming to me. I mean, even information like online, things would just come to me. Somehow I found his work. And um, you'll see even in his books, there's a lot of print, like there's a lot of drawings and whatnot. He talks about the light spectrum, that sort of thing. So it's all about light and ultraviolet light, the basically the hermetic scale, that sort of thing. So when I first found his work, um, as I was reading it, you ever had a moment where you're like, when you're reading something, all of a sudden it's like, or you're looking, or you're whatever you're you're doing, you're witnessing something, and then you're like, as you're witnessing it, you're like, oh my God, it's like they're speaking exactly what I, it's like you already know it. You just feel like, oh my God, I know this. It's like he's fine, somebody's conveying it. Like, you know, he's just conveying it. Like, that's how I felt when I was reading Walter Russell. And for some reason, still to this day, I'm like, I think we're related somehow. Maybe, who knows? Maybe. Nice. Or maybe, yeah, somehow we have some energetic relationships. Yeah. Yeah. Something. I don't know. I just felt very in it. I could feel it in my body reading that that work. But anyway, I talk about him at the sound uh trainings and stuff sometimes, but um, he wrote a few books. Anyway, he would be there. I guess I have to pick his brain. Um gosh. Uh I'm like, who do I, who would I want? This is like they gotta be human, huh? My dog, I want many to come back, my dog.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, dude. They don't have to be human. Yeah, that's it. I love that. Yeah, so so your dog?

SPEAKER_00

My dog. Um gosh. Uh, you know, go with like Mary Magdalene or something. Nice.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Or just some, yeah, some like ancient, not ancient, um, but well, it's kind of ancient, but um, yeah, a woman of of old times, I think. One that really carried the torch, I think. I see what you mean. Would be probably fascinating to me.

SPEAKER_01

All right, nice.

SPEAKER_00

Somebody just carries the energy and you know, awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. What are we having for dinner? What would be like your favorite?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, you know, lately for whatever I love Lebanese food and um craving lately, like a um one of those, like like like not a swarma. I have seen a lot of swarmas lately, but like um, I don't know, like one of those wraps. I when I'm in when I was in London last, I got it, I literally lived off these things. There's just one place and I used to, I was going like every day. Um it's just like a wrap with like hummus and I don't know, maybe it's babble ganoosh, I don't know, but the pickles and the red onions and the you know, all that. Oh yeah, it's just all the good things like a garlic kind of sauce thing. I don't know, just just authentic Lebanese or some kind of Mediterranean food. That would be what I would have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like Mary Magdalene would be very happy to show this is what I used to love this.

SPEAKER_00

Um craving that now.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome. Yeah, and then one final question. Okay, this is a also like a big one, but it's really whatever comes to mind. And sometimes it's uh easy answer, sometimes it's difficult. Um, but the meaning of life is blank.

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh, I think um meaning of life, just be know thyself. But for me, I'm like I'm plugging this, like you're finding your unique signature, man. Like what brings you alive in life? Yeah, live if we can live in our passions. I feel like if everybody was to really will get in tune first, because I think a lot of people are so far out of tune, they don't even know what lights them up. But if we could truly just be living in our passion and and leaning towards that, like just following it in a way, like following that joy, that bliss, because it'll change too. If you're in flow, I mean, if you're truly in a flow, like you're not doing the same thing all the fucking time. Like people, you know, we we just get the rigid the regimen is with the program. That's so anyway. I think just I just think that that's where our purpose lies. And I think we literally can change not only our own life, and then obviously like it it radiates joy through our body, so you can imagine what it does to the cells of our body if we're living in our passions, you know, you know, and I don't know. I think that that's uh that's kind of the purpose is know thyself, know thyself, not in a selfish way, but in like a true you gotta go within. Yeah, it's like people ask what's the key, I would say meditation. You gotta go within. You just gotta you just gotta go within. Like that's it. Wonderful. Everything's there. Nice.

SPEAKER_01

Well, thank you so much for sharing your passion with us. It really like resonates and vibrates in the room. But when you speak about it, it's it's wonderful. And and um, we love hosting you here at Inner Bloom when you do your sessions, and so um just so excited for future collaborations and more work together. And um if people wanted to know more about you or to find you, like where could they go?

SPEAKER_00

Um, I have a website, so awakensponda.com. Also, Instagram is awaken underscore sponda. And then what else do I got? Um, I have an event bright, so usually events there, but also I have music. I have an EP coming out probably in the next month. We have not given a date to it yet, but it's coming soon, and that is all has frequency, it's all frequency based as well. And my artist name's Girl, and you can find me um on IG on Instagram at at creatrix girl. At creatrix girl, yeah. Nice and girl spelled. Oh, it's G, capital G I capital R capital L. So lowercase I.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Well exciting stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, very exciting. All right, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you're so welcome. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_00

Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome, Arlen.