Full Cow: Edge Talks Leather and Kink
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Full Cow: Edge Talks Leather and Kink
Dominant Chastity
The long-awaited return of Full Cow kicks off Season 4 by diving into the most popular topic from previous seasons—chastity—but with a revolutionary twist. Host Edge challenges the widespread misconception that chastity belongs exclusively to submissives, arguing instead that it's a powerful tool available to everyone, regardless of where they fall on the dominance spectrum.
Drawing from his extensive personal experience, Edge shares his journey through various chastity devices, from early struggles finding the "perfect" cage to his current appreciation of an exquisitely crafted Steelworks Extreme device. Rather than focusing solely on the mechanics, he reveals how his relationship with chastity shifted when he began viewing the device as a symbol of commitment rather than just a physical restraint.
The heart of the episode explores specific ways dominants can incorporate chastity into their practice: to better understand submissives' experiences, build anticipation before scenes, create higher stakes within encounters, and foster deeper connections beyond genital pleasure. "If I'm taking my cock off the table," Edge explains, "I am necessarily more focused on the intimacy." This perspective transforms chastity from a limitation into an enhancement of dominance—a way to sharpen focus, intensify desire, and amplify control.
A fascinating new "Makers" segment introduces us to Christopher from Steelworks Extreme, whose journey from jeweler to chastity device craftsman highlights how these objects transcend mere functionality to become wearable art. The episode concludes with thoughtful relationship advice for a listener navigating complicated feelings for a close friend.
Ready to challenge your assumptions about power dynamics? Listen now and discover how restraint can actually amplify your dominance. Subscribe to catch future episodes, which will be released organically rather than on a fixed schedule as Edge embraces a more sustainable approach to podcasting.
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Let's talk about dominant chastity, that you are an adult. Welcome to Full Cow, a podcast about leather kink and BDSM. My name is Edge, my pronouns are he, him, and I'm your host. Welcome, at last, to Season 4. I know it's been a long time coming and I appreciate the patience of so many of you who've been making inquiries about the future of this podcast. Everyone who reached out to me really inspired me to keep going. And here we are In season four. We will be covering some new topics, but one of the things I want to do is go back to the most popular episodes of the first three seasons and revisit those topics, diving in a little more deeply. And by far above every other thing I have ever done on this podcast, chastity is the most popular episode. In fact, any of the Chastity episodes not only the main Chastity episode, but the Chastity interludes, are similarly extremely popular. So this seems like a good place to start for season four, and we're not just going to talk about chastity again. I want to focus in on the intersection of dominance and chastity. I'll do that by continuing to share my own personal journey with chastity, talking about some of the ways I think a dominant person can use chastity as a tool for themselves. And then in the rest of the episode I'm going to introduce a new segment called Makers, which really focuses in on the sometimes very winding and curious and intriguing stories of craftspeople who make items of leather, gear, kink stuff, right. And then I have some leftover Ask Edges, and they've been very patiently waiting for months and months and months. So we're going to answer them and that's how we're starting the season. I am eternally grateful to all of you who take the time to give me an audience, to lend me your ear, to give me a place where my voice isn't just speaking into a void well, technically, into the sad, lonely office of my house. Thank you all, and I think it's going to be a good episode. Let's find out, let's find out, let's start season four right now.
Speaker 1:For those of you who follow the podcast, you may know that I have a long journey with chastity podcast. You may know that I have a long journey with Chastity and I thought I'd give everyone an update. So, for those of you who are new to the podcast or have not listened to every single episode, chastity has been a really long-term interest for me, going back really almost as far as well. It goes back pretty deep maybe not as far as my kink interests in general, but it goes back very far and I had a really challenging journey with chastity, in part because I was stuck on the fact of I had to find the perfect device, the device that would prevent me from having an orgasm, even though I am able to orgasm really fairly easily. I eventually learned that the device is more of a token of the commitment I'm making the commitment not to orgasm, and that really was a turning point, and at that point I made a successful run, I think, 60 days straight in a Cobra and then really decided to get more serious.
Speaker 1:I went through a number of other devices, eventually landing on a custom 3D printed device from Evotion. I really still love the design of that device, especially it uses I have a frenum piercing right and it uses a really brilliant capture for the frenum as an anti-pullout device, which I really still think is the best one I've seen, because it was very comfortable. That part was very comfortable and it was very effective. Overall, though, it is a device with little tolerances, which means, if your measurements aren't just exactly right, in my experience it wasn't comfortable for me long-term and I even ordered a couple new parts to try to kind of fix that and I never really achieved true comfort in the Evotion and that is not to knock Evotion. I think they make a great product. I think many people will be happy with it. I think I have very unusual anatomy in some ways. Not going into details, thank you, but it was not the device for me, fortunately.
Speaker 1:I kind of found my way into a Steelworks Extreme cage. Now, steelworks Extreme is really kind of the Rolls Royce of ball capture devices. These are handcrafted in either stainless steel or titanium. They are extremely well made. They have extremely unique security screws instead of padlocks, which means you know, the thing with a Cobra is like everyone's got a key to the Cobra cage because they're all keyed the same or more or less the same, but the screws on Steelworks. You're not going to find that screwdriver at Home Depot. It's extremely unique because it is custom made along with the screw or the screwdriver everything custom made. And obviously you pay for this right Like, this is the top of the line ball capture chastity device and you pay for that.
Speaker 1:Fine, I was able to move my way into it through some beautiful coincidences and I was able to get a really good deal. That's what I will say. And it's a little big on me and you know it's a little big on me, but it is totally secure. It is the most comfortable device I've worn. It is extremely complicated to get into because these screws are really, I would say, really exacting, like you really have to get the screw in right, get the screwdriver in right, but once it's screwed on it is not coming off. It is the most comfortable device I've ever worn. It is the most secure device I've ever worn.
Speaker 1:I am not getting out of my Steelworks cage. The only thing is the particular cage I got is really prominent under clothing, and that again is in part because of my anatomy and is in no way a critique of Steelworks Extreme, because I do love the device. And so I found that I really couldn't reasonably wear it to work without drawing some attention to my crotch area. I even went shopping for new work pants and several sizes up, like I just didn't find In shorts. I can wear it in shorts, it's fine, but there's something about pants with long legs that just made things prominent.
Speaker 1:So at the same time I've slowly been developing a small stable of local boys who have been servicing me with utter irregularity, and so my chastity journey in some ways is on a pause, because I do eventually want to get another steelworks cage. I want it in titanium. I have an older ring design, I want the new ring design. I want a new frenum capture to be the anti-pullout. I want these things. I'm not in a place where I can afford those things and the cage I have is perfectly functional, literally functional, right Like I will not be getting out of it. I don't even think I'd be able to orgasm in it. So in the meantime I'm just. My interest in chastity is lower on the totem pole because I've been getting because I've been getting a lot of good sex and you're not really motivated to do a lot of chastity if you're getting really good sex on a weekly basis, I will return to chastity. I will get a new steelworks cage. But this is where we are in my journey.
Speaker 1:Today I finally have a cage. It is very obvious at work, a little less obvious in other places. It is extremely secure, it is extremely comfortable and it is not. It is not the end of my chastity journey, because I know for a fact I'm going to get another one. I actually got from the manufacturer this beautiful piece of cock jewelry. He calls it a glands ring, I call it a frenum cuff. It's a beautiful little metal band that attaches, that sits right behind my glands, right behind the head of my penis, and secures to my frenum piercing with one of the security screws. So it's like a little metal cuff around my penis that can't come off without the screwdriver. It is stunning. I just think it's gorgeous. I love wearing it, I love the kind of weight of it at the head of my cock and it's also the base of a more advanced frenum-based anti-pullout system my pennies. And one day we'll get, hopefully, a sleeker, lighter, smaller steelworks cage, but for now I'm going to enjoy the good sex and that's where we are in my chastity journey.
Speaker 1:Let's think next specifically about how we can find that intersection of dominance and chastity, of Dominance and Chastity. The main Chastity episode is season two, episode three. It is the number one episode of this entire podcast. When you look at the statistics, and in case you haven't dug through the back catalog, I'll give you the gist of it.
Speaker 1:My primary message when it comes to chastity is this it has been wrongly encoded as submissive, and there's nothing automatically submissive about being in chastity. And I encourage people instead to think of chastity as a tool, a tool for gathering and storing sexual energy and therefore as a tool it is available to everyone Because chastity feels good. Chastity feels pretty effing amazing and as a dominant person, I am not going to deny myself any pleasure. If something feels good, I want to have the right to feel it, and I would. You know, that's not even about being dominant. I think that is a fundamental right as a human being the pursuit of pleasure in, you know, consensual, all that. But fortunately I consent to being locked. Beyond simply this notion that chastity feels good, I think there are specific ways it can intersect dominant practices and those are the ones I wanted to focus on in this segment, because I think mentally because we've been wrongly and repeatedly encoding chastity as submissive, mentally it's hard for dominant peoples to think about why they would ever want to lock up their cock.
Speaker 1:Now. First of all, in a very practical way, I like keeping boys in chastity. If I'm going to keep a boy in chastity, I need to know what it feels like, and you know I cane boys and I have been caned. I flog boys and I have been flogged. I feed boys, smoke and I have been fed smoke. I flog boys and I have been flogged. I feed boys, smoke and I have been fed smoke. I tie boys up and I have been tied up. So a lot of my practice as a dominant person involves experiences and sensations that I've experienced as well, so that I know what they're feeling. I know the range of physical sensations possible, I know where the pressure points are going to be. That's important knowledge to me. So if I am going to have a void locked in chastity, for me personally it's important to know what that feels like so that I can support them and if I support them, they can be in chastity longer, they can be more successful reaching chastity goals that we set together. And so the first reason I would encourage dominant people to be locked is so that you can be a better keyholder, essentially so you can be better at keeping your submissive peoples locked as well.
Speaker 1:Now, one of my good friends locally I think I really was inspired by him for this practice. So when he had a scene coming up with a boy he was really excited about, he would lock for a few days to kind of build up, not be tempted to shoot a load, to really instead really get himself going so that he could unleash that on the boy who was coming. And I think that's a really beautiful practice and that's something I've done as well. In fact, my DC boy and I will sometimes both lock for a week or two before we're seeing each other, and it is a way of getting ourselves mentally ready, because chastity is a constant reminder of something you feel the cage all the time, and so in that case it's a constant reminder that my boy is coming, I'm going to get to have my boy soon, but it's also the buildup of that sexual energy getting hornier, building up a load that I'm going to deposit in him, on him somehow. So one besides the simple know what your submissive is going through. So lock yourself. There's also the lock yourself. There's also the lock yourself in preparation for a scene.
Speaker 1:More importantly, I think chastity has a role to play in scenes as well, and I did a video about this. It's naughty, so it's not on my Instagram, it is on my ex, it is on my blue sky and it's called dominant chastity and the basic motivating idea here is that submissive. And you know, let me make a note. Obviously this episode is very gender specific because I'm most familiar with male chastity. So it's not gender-specific because I think my experiences can apply broadly. This one is gender-specific.
Speaker 1:The submissive people, the boys I play with, really like seed. They like my seed. That is a motivating thing for them to get my load. I think it makes them feel accomplished. I think it adds to the intimacy. It's a way of bringing daddy slash sir home with them. It's all those things right. So chastity is a way of upping the stakes in some way.
Speaker 1:And in the video on dominant chastity I'm in full leather and I pull out my beautiful steelworks, locked, shining metal cage and the script is basically you will not see it, you will not touch it, you will not taste it, you will not have it in any hole of your body until you show me that you're worthy. That creates a very powerful mindset. If I enter into a scene and I'm locked and I say boy, if you want my cock, you have to earn it. It is not a given. It is not a given because my cock is special, because it's mine. It's my cock is special and you have to earn it. Obviously that requires a certain dynamic, a certain mindset. It does play at a kind of extreme of dominant submission, I think, but I think it's very motivating and I think it's super hot and I think the boys I play with would really really respond to that as well.
Speaker 1:The other place I think chess would be really fun is when you're fucking someone, ironically enough. So I have a Mr Henke strap-on harness and some Mr Henke dildos that right or strap-ons. I have strap-on dildos and I love this notion of walking into the scene and my cock is locked. But here's this huge strapped-on dildo and I simply say don't worry, boy, I don't have to stop because I came. And it's the notion that I can fuck you endlessly because it's not my cock doing the fucking. I can fuck you until you are crying and your eyes rolling back into your head and you are orgasming in your butthole again and again, and again, and I don't have to stop. I don't have to stop because I'm not going to come. I think that's also really powerful, really motivating, with a particular dynamic, with a particular kind of boy. So it's another way we can intersect dominance and chastity.
Speaker 1:In general, what chastity does is means that my cock is off the table. As a dominant person, that does a number of things. It means, for example, I'm going to be more focused on extracting pleasure from other parts of my body and from other parts of your body. So I'm probably going to cane you longer, I'm probably going to keep you tied up longer, I'm probably going to be working your tits longer because I don't have that instant off of shooting a load, because for me if I shoot a load we're done Time for cuddles and aftercare and then you go.
Speaker 1:So taking my cock off the table first of all keeps me oriented more deeply into the kink and keeps me going in the kink even longer than I would normally. And then the other thing it does is it really well? First of all, it fosters a different kind of intimacy, one that's not genital based, and as someone who's demisexual and kind of gray sexual, that's kind of where I'm wired anyway. So both of us are extracting pleasure, receiving pleasure, and it's not about genitals, not even necessarily about buttholes. It's really about different points of the body and it's about intimacy.
Speaker 1:Ironically, if I'm taking my cock off the table, I can foster greater intimacy because I am not being driven by this selfish need to experience an orgasm. I'm calling it selfish. That's a little bit of an overstatement. Of course, right Again, we're dealing with various flavors of the DS dynamic that don't always apply. But if I'm taking my cock off the table, I am necessarily more focused on the intimacy. That's how it works for me at least. I'm focused on the intimacy because I'm not thinking about getting off because I can't. So beyond that, there is that notion of what will it take for me to unlock for this boy? What hoops does this boy have to jump through to get me to unlock? And I mean honestly, I'm going to unlock for the boy anyway, but the boy doesn't know that right.
Speaker 1:So those are the different ways in which you can begin to play with being locked as a dominant person inside the scene. There are just as many ways to play locked as a dominant person outside the scene, experiencing the sheer pleasure of chastity, preparing for the scene. I also had a friend who really wanted to train himself to only orgasm while fucking and therefore kept himself locked so that he wouldn't jack off, right. So there's another way as a dominant person, you can use chastity as a tool In the scene. You can use chastity to kind of lock away the reward. You can use it to focus on the other pleasures and the other intimacies that become available when cucks are not on the table. I hope that's given you some sense in how we can resolve this fake dichotomy between dominance and submission, this sense that somehow they're in conflict. They're not. They're not. They're only in conflict if we live in a world where chastity is only for submissive peoples, and that's not my world. That is not where I live and I have lots of friends who don't live there either. That's not my world. That is not where I live, and I have lots of friends who don't live there either. So I really want to encourage a cultural shift, a paradigm shift, a perspective change around what chastity is, what it does and who it's available for. It's available for everyone, everyone.
Speaker 1:It began with the desire to adorn the body. Christopher, the man behind Steelworks Extreme, the first of our makers, grew up in Toronto, canada, and he was never very much into school because he knew from a young age that he wanted to do something else. What he wanted to do was make bodies more beautiful by adorning them. So he explored fashion and that didn't really work out. But then he looked into an apprenticeship with a jeweler and that's where he found his calling, and so he started making jewelry as a way of adorning the human body.
Speaker 1:Now, the other thing about Christopher is that he's always loved various kinds of subcultures and subcommunities, and at this time in the late millennium, there was an explosion of interest in body modification, including scarification and piercing, as well as tattoos all of these things and at that time, because it was really starting to explode, there was a much greater demand than supply, meaning a lot of people wanted to get pierced. But it's not like China was mass producing stainless steel circular barbells, yet At that time, if you wanted a piercing, a jeweler was making the jewelry, and that jeweler was Christopher. Steelworks Extreme was founded as a piercing jewelry company, much like Anatometal or Body Circle Designs, and for a while that's what he did. He made piercing jewelry. Now, another one of the subcultures he was really interested in was extreme body modification, and at that time, there was actually a website called BME Body Modification E-zine, and it was for people who were really into some heavy modifications, including transcrotal piercings and dermal implants, things like that, and for things like that. It's not like you can go to your local store and find these sorts of piercings, and so Christopher was able to meet their needs by creating jewelry for more unusual piercings, and that's how he grew into that community as well. So one day one of his clients from the body modification world came to him with this sad, ragged little ad of a ball capture device that was really poorly made and said can you make one of these? And he did, and that was the start of Steelworks Extreme's evolution into a chastity device company. For a long time he would go to the Steelworks Extreme website and it was all piercing jewelry and there'd be like one little side tab over to the side about ball capture chastity devices. But we can see that today it has become the primary product they offer.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure Christopher is an artist and he'll probably make anything you want, including I know they make stainless steel titanium padlocks that are very unique, but their main business has become these chassis devices, and that's what we know Steelworks Extreme for. But what's interesting is that it starts not with someone saying I want to lock every cock in the world. It starts with someone saying I really have this desire to adorn the body, and you see that reflected in the products that Christopher makes. If you've not seen a Steelworks cage in the products that Christopher makes. If you've not seen a steelworks cage, they are really quite stunning and sometimes unusual and elaborate and inspired by monsters or by steampunk. But what's amazing is that each one is so beautifully crafted, starting as like a giant hunk of stainless steel or titanium that gets milled and then gets hand finished. Every one of those leaves with a human touch. Every one of those leaves not as simply a chastity device that's going to be very comfortable and very effective, but as a piece of art, as a piece of jewelry for the body, as a piece of jewelry for the body. And so it's not simply about keeping someone chaste, it's also about making that chaste body look really, really beautiful. And so Christopher's had a complicated journey, from fashion to jewelry making, to making body piercing jewelry, to making the chastity cages that so many people around the world absolutely love. And that's the story of the first of our makers.
Speaker 1:And now it's time for Ask Edge, the segment where I ask questions from all of you. If you have a question, you can either leave me a voicemail at speakpipecom slash leatheredge L-T-H-R-E-G-G-E, or you can email me at ask at leatheredgecom. Both of those are available in the show notes, and I encourage you to send in your questions, since really you're the people who keep this segment alive Now. I had received a voicemail from Amber, who identifies as Leather Girl. Amber, I hope you are listening. I tried emailing you. I did not get a response. Your voicemail cut out about 30 seconds in and you know it looked like it was playing but there was no sound, so I never heard your question. So please, please, consider submitting it again. I especially love for a little bit of gender diversity and I would love to have representation of a leather girl and trying to work with you on addressing your question. So please send it in and I will answer it in the next episode.
Speaker 1:I do have one question that was emailed in and I'm going to. I'm just going to say this is from Cub F. He writes my question is a little complicated. Being a demisexual with tons of friends, I have a best friend who I adore and love. Being an introvert, it's hard to find someone I can be very open and vulnerable with. The problem I'm having is this romantic attachment I have for him. At times I want to be best friends instead of lovers because of how well our relationship is, but part of me is hoping that door can open one day. Initially we had a crush on each other, but we decided to be best friends because we were both needing someone to lean on. So for the first time in a long time, I started looking on Scruff for potential dates to distract my mind and to make myself realize that he may not be the only one to pursue a romantic relationship with Not into polyamory or an open relationship, because that is who I am.
Speaker 1:Do you have any insights of what else I can do? Any piece of advice can help. Wow. Let me tell you first of all that I identify with a lot of the things you're talking about here. I am also demisexual. I don't have a ton of friends, but I am also demisexual. I am also an introvert and so I understand some of the complications you're facing here. And matters of the heart are so damn tricky and complicated because we don't want to hurt, and that both means we don't want to get hurt and we don't want to hurt others. And especially if you have this beautiful, functioning best friend relationship with this person, putting that at risk must feel kind of terrifying. I don't know that I have any extraordinary advice.
Speaker 1:I will say that you're right in that if this person exists, other people like this person exist and you could find love with one of them. So certainly there is a romantic possibility for you out there. But I also personally like to believe that some things are a little inevitable and I like to believe that if this best friend who you have feelings for is supposed to be the person you're with, that there will come a point when you both reveal that to each other and begin to explore that space. Now you can certainly, if this is your best friend, you can certainly have a conversation and say, hey, I don't want to threaten our friendship, but I just want you to know that sometimes I think about a romantic future with you and it would just help me to know if that's at all a possibility, because if it's not, then I can turn that off. But if it is, it doesn't have to happen today, but at least I can kind of hold that trajectory open and that might be one strategy.
Speaker 1:I have had conversations like that kind of similar to that. There are people who have been in my life, people who are in my life, who I've had real feelings for and who have expressed those feelings and they were not returned. And that doesn't mean they have to leave my life. Most of those people are still in my life, but now I have clarity and with clarity and with clear understanding of what the boundaries are, then I can find a kind of contentment. There is a part of me that still wishes I could have had more with this person or that person, but I much more value what I do have with them than what I might have had with them.
Speaker 1:So if you feel you have the kind of friendship and if you feel that it is secure and steady and deep enough to really have what could be an awkward conversation and, critically, if you are ready to hear the answer of no, there is no romantic future here, then you might consider opening it up in an honest conversation in a way that feels safe, right, and I think the way you do that is just to say hey, you know, you're so important to me. I just wanted to share with you that sometimes I have thoughts of a romantic future with you and I just wanted to know if you think that's possible. If it's not, that's cool. But if it is right, like really just sort of open the door just to find out if there's any door on his side. This is only advisable if you are ready for him to say no I don't see that kind of future and for you to still have the kind of friendship. I'm not going to say it was easy for me, but I can say that I've done it. I know it's possible.
Speaker 1:Now, part of what allows that to be possible for me is that I am polyamorous, and so I've learned that I can love someone, and they don't have to be my husband. I can love someone deeply, and maybe they're just my boy. I can love someone deeply, maybe they're just a friend. So part of what allows me to have those conversations with others that, unlike you, the person who I am is polyamorous, and so if I hear no, it's not devastating. It's disappointing, but it's not devastating. So keep that in mind too. You really need to do some self-reflection and think about are you ready to hear that person say no? If you're not ready to hear him say no, then keep being the best friend you can with that person and then see if, naturally, you both evolve towards a romantic connection.
Speaker 1:In all that always do remember I keep, in fact, with every one of these people that I had to have the hard conversation and they're like no, and then I like I still love you and I want you in my life and they're like great For every one of them. I have also said to myself they're not the only one right Like if they exist, then people like them exist and that means that even if I don't fall in love with them, there's hope for me, and I've always found that kind of super duper affirming this notion that there's hope for me. I hope that helps and I hope that you. I hope you find your way. I hope you find your way where I hope you find your way to a future where you have that best friend and you have the love of your life. And maybe they're the same person, maybe they're not, but I really want people to find futures where they're happy. So I'm wishing that for you. And that's all we have for Ask Edge this time.
Speaker 1:Please do think about sending in a question of any sort. I think a lot of people think I'm just here to answer profound questions. I'm also more than happy to answer silly questions about my life, like what are the things I like to do, what I watch on TV. What's my favorite ice cream? Whatever, whatever, whatever. This is an open door, so don't feel like you need something profound. I'm not really an advice show. I'm just some guy sitting in his office talking to the world, sharing my experience, strength and hope with all of you and grateful for that.
Speaker 1:And that's it for this episode of Full Cow. Thank you all for joining me, and I am thrilled to have finally started season four. My approach to this season is going to be a little more organic, and that means episodes are coming out not every first Friday of the month, not every second Friday for an interlude, but instead when I am able. So it will be a little irregular, but it will be. I have several episodes planned for this season already and I'm excited for many of them.
Speaker 1:So I can tell you that Fulcow is back, but I can tell you it's back in a way that is sustainable for me, my time and my energy, and I am happy to be doing this again. It feels good to be behind the microphone again, but it also feels good to know that I'm not going to sacrifice. I'm not going to sacrifice for this podcast. I'm going to learn to live with it in a way that enhances my joy and that's possible because of you Knowing there are people who are listening, and knowing people that value. What I have to say is the only reason I am doing this, because otherwise I would probably be taking a nap right now.
Speaker 1:So thank you for listening, thank you for subscribing, thank you for being a part of my world, thank you for supporting this podcast and I hope well, let's see. I imagine I would have the next episode out within a month. Let's see. It'll be interesting. What an adventure, what an adventure we're on. All right, all of you. I hope that you are making your way through what is now a very difficult, challenging world and I hope especially your kink and leather journey is truly, deeply blessed. And that's it for this episode. Thank you so much for joining me. Please consider subscribing or you can send feedback to edge at fullcowshow, as always. May your leather journey be blessed.