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62. From High Fashion to High Frequency: Leaning Into Your Feminine & Healing Ancestral Wounds w/ Heceliza Perez

• Cat Mansfield • Episode 62

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After years of climbing the corporate ladder in New York's fashion and advertising industries, Heceliza found herself yearning for something more meaningful. Her journey of transformation led her across the globe, ultimately embracing energy healing and serial entrepreneurship.

Heceliza shares her fascinating transition into a realm of intuition, creativity, and emodied groundedness - aka the feminine - culminating in co-founding a retreat center in Costa Rica. Prepare to be inspired by her story of stepping away from societal expectations and into a life aligned with her true purpose.

This episode offers insight into how we can co-create with the universe, fostering ease and a sense of connection without being tethered to strict timelines or outcomes and dives deeper into the complex layers of intergenerational trauma. This conversation will leave you feeling inspired to be a 'first generation cycle breaker'.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Holistic Hotties podcast. I'm your host, Kat Mansfield. I'm a yoga and meditation teacher who's traveled around the world in search of all things healing and true. In searching for healing, in searching for truth, I uncovered the answers to all my ponderings. I grounded into peace amidst the chaos, I found myself. This podcast is about breathing life into who you already are. It's about remembering the truth of your power, the truth of your perfection. In each episode, we'll talk about the beliefs, the self-imposed limitations and the mindsets that are keeping us small, and how to cultivate safety in our bodies so that we can feel safe enough to be bigger, to take up more space and to truly and deeply love ourselves. On this journey together, day after day, we're choosing intention, we're choosing growth. We're choosing to dissolve our veils and breathe into our most authentic and thus most radiant selves. We're choosing to feel good naked, let's dive in. To feel good naked, let's dive in. Hello, welcome back to another episode of Holistic Hotties.

Speaker 1:

I am back after taking a week off. I was in Dallas with my fiance's family and, although my intention was to release an episode, I you know was just present instead and I didn't pull my laptop out once and it felt amazing. So this week I am talking to Hesaliza Perez. Hesaliza is a Reiki master, intuition teacher, breathwork facilitator and sound healer. After leaving her corporate job in fashion and advertising in New York City, she became a serial entrepreneur while living in places such as Bali, Mexico and Costa Rica, connecting with the land, culture and traditions of the people, learning other healing modalities to use in her practice along the way. She's passionate about teaching generational cycle breakers to connect deeply with their energy and intuition to achieve inner peace, balance and clarity. Through her intuitive guidance, she empowers others to release what no longer serves them, embrace the unknown with confidence and embody their most empowered and authentic selves.

Speaker 1:

I loved this conversation. We talked about so many things, ranging from feminine energies to intergenerational trauma, and heard the whole manifestation story of her creating a retreat center on land she bought with two co-founders or girlfriends in Costa Rica. There's so much to take away from this conversation, so let's dive in. Hello, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2:

Thanks for having me, catherine, so excited.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm excited for our conversation too. I would love to just start by hearing a little bit about your journey and what took you from a world of corporate fashion living a life in corporate to the world of energy healing and any kind of awakening that took place in that process.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So you know me, ending up in New York City by the time I turned 30 was my dream Ever since I was younger. I wanted to work in fashion and I wanted to live in New York City. I'm from San Diego, southern California girl, and I really wanted that metropolitan city life. And so by 30, I was living my dream of the whole, like sex in the city and you know, trying to climb a world in corporate luxury, fashion and advertising. And and when I got into it I was like this is this is what I've been dreaming of. And when I got into it.

Speaker 2:

I was like this is what I've been dreaming of and after a few years of that you know, nothing really happened. There wasn't like big I don't have a big like corporate burnout story or like I got sick, I just woke up. It's almost like I woke up one day and I was sitting in a meeting and I didn't care about the things I cared about anymore, Like I wasn't helping the world.

Speaker 2:

One fashion handbag at a time, I'm like what is my purpose and meaning and I think it just like started, just like hitting me day after day and so and I also love to travel and my partner, he has his own business, so he can. You know he'd be like let's go here and there, and from New York we could go to Europe really easily and I'm like you know, in the US we have 20 days of vacation that we have to keep building upon in, you know, traditional corporate environments.

Speaker 2:

So, I was so limited, and so I was like no, I want to build a life living abroad and try it out. And so I'm like what can I do from my computer and wake up anywhere in the world? And that didn't really start my catapult into energy healing, but it got me out of the corporate. And then I'm kind of your serial entrepreneur and our travel. Our friend was living in Bali. You know, one of the years we came and we visited him for five days Because it was part of, like our whole Asia trip and I this is, you know, back in the early 2012, before Instagram blew it up and everything.

Speaker 2:

So when I got there, though, I thought of it as a honeymooner's place. In the US, we always go to Hawaii or Mexico for vacation, so I didn't really know much of Bali, and I didn't realize like there was that was when the term digital nomads was really getting stronger of people who were traveling around the world or being expats, living, working online in destinations, and so we came for five days. The following year we came for, came back for two months, and the rest is history.

Speaker 2:

And when, I started being in Bali mostly Bali, but we were also living in other countries, like we spent a lot of time in Europe, but every year we kept coming back to Bali and that's where I got to really learn all these different wellness modalities, experience things other than yoga, because I think that's at that time again in the early teens, that's all that I was exposed to in LA or New York, and so I got to experience other things like breathwork and sound bath, before people knew what you know, before I knew what that was and so started dabbling in that. And so started dabbling in that and realized you know how fulfilling it was to experience that for my own well-being.

Speaker 1:

But then it started that journey of oh, I love helping others heal through the practices that have really like, transformed and expanded me.

Speaker 1:

There's so much I'm excited to dive deeper into on that journey. But something that resonates, as you were talking about, your kind of just initial, I guess, wake up out of corporate was, it was very similar to my journey. I was working in San Francisco in corporate and there wasn't anything like totally momentous. But I walked into work one day and saw somebody just like sitting at their office or they're sitting in their chair eating lunch and I was like, wow, I don't think this is it for me and it was like so minuscule, just like this random moment, and it was same thing. It was this just real time transition into craving something more fulfilling. And so I'm curious, as you've kind of integrated that, as you know, on your journey, what your take on kind of ego driven ambition and kind of the things that we felt like were our dream for so long and then maybe we attain them and they feel good for a little bit and then you realize like this actually isn't it and just your, your experience in that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, I think, and it's all like a as you grow up you're like was this my dream, was this somebody else's dream for me? And a lot of it was. Am I pleasing my parents and you know a lot of that was from my upbringing of expecting me to. I come from you know my parents were Filipino immigrants and they came and the whole thing is they came here, work hard, have a good life, teach your kids the same, and so I don't know if that kept me in corporate longer and, like I even went to you know I got an MBA, all the things like just to get there, and I thought that was my dream and was it to? Was my idea of success my parents idea? Was it something that, like I, was conditioned to over time?

Speaker 2:

So that all that ego and then you think of the word like happiness, what does that mean? Or what truly brings you joy? And I think, if we go look into our hearts of, is this bringing me joy? For what reasons? And it's also I always say what's the reason behind everything?

Speaker 2:

Like, if you want to like a fancy life or like a car, great car. But if the reason is just to impress other people, or is it the reason because you feel good inside, you like luxurious things, which there's nothing wrong with that, right it's just that like? What is the reasoning behind it? What's your?

Speaker 1:

why, Mm-hmm? And I think that journey into your why is a lot more delicate than we think. I think our ego is really good at dressing up as the genuine, authentic self and we can be convinced of our motivation to achieve or climb the corporate ladder or reach a certain salary number. We can be convinced that that's authentic. And then all of a sudden or I guess maybe over time not so much all of a sudden you start to realize oh, actually, that's the why, the real reason I'm doing that is because I didn't really feel like I belonged or I didn't really feel seen as a child and that's actually not what I, what I want. And with that comes the letting go of and, in my experience, grieving, Kind of this like wow, I was so bought into this goal or this vision or this, you know, I guess, under the guise of ambition, thinking that it was truly what I wanted, and there's grief that comes with that in my experience.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think we're always grieving parts of us like that. You know that was part of us and maybe that was that in that moment in time and no longer serves us, and I think that using that word grieve is a great way to do that and recognize it, so that we can also move forward and not have like so much attachment to it or like disappointment.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, totally. It's like accepting that it's a part of the journey to to be in that process of evolution and to continue to let go of old versions of ourself. It's part of it. So there's like this peaceful acceptance and knowing that, yeah, yeah. So tell us a little bit more. So you're in Bali and you are exposed to these healing modalities. How do you start to integrate your experiences and how do you start to, I guess, kind of discern which modalities you're feeling called to? I know you're a Reiki master, so tell us about some of those experiences that were transformational on your journey.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I will say, I walked into a three-hour long breathwork workshop. I'm also a breathwork facilitator. Oh cool, yeah. And so my first year I landed in Bali. I signed up for a three-hour long breathwork workshop, not knowing what it was. Took my partner we had seen if anybody knows who Wim Hof is and we looked up his YouTube videos. That's all we knew about breathwork, aside from the kind of pranayama breath you do during vinyasa yoga breath work aside from the kind of pranayama breath you do during, like yoga.

Speaker 2:

we went and didn't know how magical and transformative that experience would be, but after I mean, we're not breathing for the three hour long period, but there were like different sessions of it.

Speaker 2:

But I, you know, in any practice where you are raising your frequency and vibration, I was just shaking, like I got out of one 30, 40 minute breath work part and I was sitting there like what is happening? I am shaking, I cannot ground and I didn't know these tools. I didn't know, I mean, I didn't even know the word you need to ground down, kind of thing. And it was just. I was just like why am I shaking? And one of the facilitators or helpers put their hands on me and instantly calmed my body down.

Speaker 2:

And I'm like what are you doing? What is this magic hands? And they told me it was Reiki and I was like, if I can learn a actual hands-on tool to calm my nervous system down at any moment, sign me up. I found out. It only took a weekend. I'm like I'm there. So I learned this just for my own self and wellbeing. But as I started to practice and like, in the short weeks after my like first certification, the reason why I'm, like, so connected with Reiki and I stuck with that as my base for so long is I didn't realize how disconnected I was from my body, from my spirit, from my intuition. We're embodying a masculine energy and drive which is not tapped into ourselves.

Speaker 1:

And we're.

Speaker 2:

So. Practicing Reiki for myself allowed me to just have that time, space and ability to reconnect with my true self, who I am in a very gentle sense, you know, very gentle and energetic sense. So that's kind of where it started and like I kept with the Reiki, because I just feel like it gives me that basis and foundation of understanding my own way to work with my energy and intuition.

Speaker 1:

And for anybody who might not be totally clear, will you just describe what Reiki is and what it's doing, how it works.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it is a very gentle form of a hands-on.

Speaker 2:

I'll say hands-on for now is in the first layer of hands-on technique, as using the facilitator who is channeling life force energy and life force energy is that energy that encompasses all living beings.

Speaker 2:

It's that energy you feel when you walk into a room if you feel the energy is off. It's that energy you feel when you meet somebody, or that energy you feel with, with inside you, not like, do I have enough energy to you know, run, or something like that inner energy you feel, so that energy that connects us all. It's kind of like adjusting the facilitator's antenna to receive that energy through them, just as a channel, just as a conduit, and send that energy to the receiver. And so and it's a very gentle way, reiki has its own intelligence for the healing that the receiver needs at that time. So sometimes you don't even need to direct the energy anywhere. It is just whether you know it's you want to refer to God, source, universe, a divine something or spirit just working its way through in a gentle way to help release clear blocks. You know we're all holding, energetically and emotionally, things we've held on to from we were in the womb ancestrally.

Speaker 2:

Last week you know giving us the time to like come back to balance and homeostasis time to like come back to balance and homeostasis.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the way I I'm visualizing it is is the facilitator, practitioner acting as that conduit and allowing for that energy to kind of catalyze circulation and, you know, dispel any stagnant energy in our body or just at least bring awareness to where there might be stagnant energy, based on sensation or or, yeah, I've, I've experienced Reiki a few times in my life and it's it's quite magical, it's really magical and it's such a, I guess, just testament to the intangible energy that makes up everything.

Speaker 1:

Like you say, that when you walk into a room and you can feel when the energy's off, or when you can feel the energy moving between your hands as you're moving them further apart from one another or closer to each other, and you can feel that ball of energy expanding and contracting. It's one of those, I guess, just realizations of how connected and intangible it all is and yet how we are all made up of this divine energy, this life force energy. It's really really beautiful. So one of the things you mentioned is that shift from masculine to feminine. As you started practicing these healing modalities it sounds like Will you touch a little bit more on that transition, a little bit of the juxtaposition between living in our masculine and living in our feminine and how you started to see that affect your day-to-day life.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it wasn't until I was delaying all these things like again because I've gotten to all these modalities without the need to. It wasn't like.

Speaker 2:

I was stressed out or sick or whatever right it was. Just I discovered it and I was like, oh, this is kind of fun and really ever. And as you were starting to work with your own self, you realize that your norm, and for my norm, was to be anxious, stressed out, super driven, go go very type A personality. And even if you are not, I think in a Western society, because we're goal oriented, that is already us in our masculine, like us taking action daily, us doing our to do's, us, you know, using that kind of energy is all of us in our masculine. But there needs to be a balance, especially and I love speaking with women too, who are entrepreneurs, you know leaders, businesswomen, you know corporate managers, all that it's like that's all of us in a masculine drive, especially to keep up with kind of a patriarchy right Like of a top heavy.

Speaker 2:

You know, like what do you call it? Organizations we're part of, or even ourselves, and so if we can even at least just find balance I'm not saying completely shift out of that, because that is what helps us to get to the next step but finding this balance of maybe a more feminine tapping into that, to that flow, which means connecting to our intuition, listening, you know, um, I even said it to my partner. He has his own business and he has men and women that work for him, but I'm like it doesn't mean you have to be. You know, guys think of feminine as that Men can tap into their feminine too.

Speaker 2:

I mean it means being a good listener listening to everybody else's opinions and thoughts and taking that into a collective and holding space for people when they want to, you know, express their needs. And then it's also like for us, creatively, you know, like working with that sacral or sacral. That is where our creativity is, and we don't have to be artists on a daily. You don't have to learn, need to know how to draw, like, play music or anything, but it's like how can you be creative in your everyday? And there's probably a lot of cobwebs for us in all our sacros, in our rooms.

Speaker 2:

How can you let this creative expression of yourself shine through? So that's another component too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that, the notion of just tuning in and tapping into our creativity and and, I guess, kind of noticing the associations we have with that word, whether it be painting or like you know, more literal art or artistic creation versus like just creating our day-to-day lives, co-creating with the people that we interact with, with the like.

Speaker 1:

Every conversation is an opportunity to co-create. Every, you know, you know every like grocery store we walk into there. It's hundreds of intersections where we can co-create and I think being embodied and really being in our feminine, to be present enough to see where those interactions are and to really show up in the way that we want to, so that we're co-creating, is, you know, it's also it's difficult to do, that's difficult to do, but it's like part of the practice of coming more into our feminine and even, you know, just choosing to rest more and choosing to allow for our masculine to be like something that we call upon when we need to, you know, like a push, and then allowing for ourselves to feel safe to occupy more of the resting and the envisioning and the yeah, creating.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love that. Like you said too, with the creating and that's what we're trying to do is co-create with the universe, right Our whole lives and just have this like dance and tango with it. And that means we can't be so structured, we can't have all attachments to outcomes, to timelines. We need to be able to go with the ebbs and flow, and my whole theme of life is to live in ease and flow, to allow things in my day and I always feel like everything is an ease and it's in flow always feel like everything is an ease and it's in flow.

Speaker 1:

I love that and I'm curious if you're coming up to resistance in your life and you realize that I guess you tap into your body and you're like I'm, this isn't in flow, this isn't feeling easy.

Speaker 2:

How? What's your practice for course correcting? Yeah, that's a good one, cause that's been coming up a lot actually with given. You know, I do follow my best friends and astrologers.

Speaker 2:

I follow all that and like with the energies of the earth, and I'm a scorpio, my birthday's in like two days, so, oh, cool, worry about transformation expansion death rebirth, all of that yeah, and so I've been hitting in the last week and this week coming up to my birthday, I like hit a lot of conflict within myself of things that are happening and it, you know it, shakes me up because I'm not in a perfect Zen enlightened. I'm not a Zen enlightened being 24 seven7. We're humans, right.

Speaker 2:

It's about having those tools to step back and give yourself the grace of recognizing it. And I think it's like taking that pause in time, because often we just don't have that time to face or not face and just allow, allow it to be because we're so busy and we're on to the next. We all have just busy lives and we can't take that moment to pause and allow ourselves to feel whatever shake up we're feeling and then to kind of see why I'm resisting it or why the world is against. You know, things are happening to me Because there's something that's not in alignment and I'm feeling that in my body or my you know, I'm feeling that somewhere or something that I'm trying to co-create with Is against, you know, combating at me. So there's something there that's not in alignment, so it's it's trying to um know that like we can't.

Speaker 2:

You know it's like being so open to not everything going exactly how we think it should, because that might not be the best way yeah, I, I love that.

Speaker 1:

and even as I'm hearing you speak, what I'm visualizing is you know how they say when you swerve on ice, you're supposed to just let go of the wheel, as opposed to like counter turn, counter steer.

Speaker 1:

So, even as I think about the way that I pose the question, like how do you counter act? Or I don't know exactly the word I use, but you know, how do you? It's a masculine phrasing. It's like what do you do to change and go somewhere else, versus this visual of like just letting go of the wheel and really stepping into our feminine, really allowing for what is not in alignment to reveal itself, really allowing for the resistance and the dis-ease that we're coming up against to just be that, without needing to change it, without needing to manipulate it right away. That's very masculine, right. Versus like, okay, I'm experiencing discomfort, I'm experiencing resistance here, I'm just going to be in it and stop trying to, like you said, kind of just fit everything into exactly how I think it should go and just let go of the wheel and see, you know where the car turns back to.

Speaker 2:

And and you know that's easier said than done right, totally Cause that. That's how we're going to trust that. Trust that if you let go, you're not going to like hit and crash. Right Over time. If you allow yourself to do that little by little and see that it's actually leading you where it needs to, where it's unfolding how it should, then it'll be easier to keep doing that.

Speaker 1:

Totally. It's so much easier said than done, harder to do in real time, especially when you're in the situation where you're coming up to resistance and you're being asked to let go of the wheel. It's so difficult. I've also been experiencing a lot of opportunities for me to do that in the last week or so. And something else that I think is important to mention, that you also mentioned, is just knowing that we're human and that we will come up to these moments of resistance or these moments of being tested or triggered, and if we don't respond in our like most highest self every single time, it's okay and we're not like bad at being spiritual. You know, I think I don't know if anybody else has experienced this, but I think when people know that your spirituality and spiritual development and personal development are things that you value, it can sometimes be used as like a. It can be used against you If you don't respond as you're, in your highest self, in a specific instance, like oh wow, I'm surprised because you're so spiritual.

Speaker 1:

It's like I'm also human. You know, I'm also just doing the best that I can. And so I think, giving yourself that grace, like you said, and just really giving yourself the benefit of the doubt of like you're doing the best you can with, with what you're given in any given moment, yeah, and part of the being human is allowing yourself to feel and express those emotions.

Speaker 2:

So if I'm like oh my God, and I want to scream it out, that's even I mean. I, you know, I hold breathwork sessions where I tell people, scream, scream your guts out at a fresh thing that made you frustrated last week. But we need to be able to feel those instead of glazing over everything like it's okay or like I'm just going to be, you know, like part of us being human is to have these feelings, experiences and have these trip ups, because that's just part of our growth.

Speaker 1:

Totally, and I think that's another aspect of the feminine that's been stifled along the way is our permission to feel radically, you know, and feel the whole spectrum. To feel radically, you know and feel the whole spectrum, it's very much a masculine world that we've been, you know, just molded to, which is you are allowed to experience like one emotion throughout the whole day, which is I'm fine, you know, everyone's just fine, and there's not room for any, any peaks or any valleys or anything in between, which is which is the feminine. The feminine is the, the permission slip to feel. It's the sacred rage, as well as the you know, ecstasy and bliss it's, and everything in between that spectrum. So really stepping into our feminine is is also giving ourselves permission to feel all of that yes, and then that won't get bottled up and explode later down the line totally, totally I.

Speaker 1:

It's been such a beautiful part of my, I guess, journey in the last you know five years or so, really coming to terms with what it means to feel all those emotions, especially as I just turned 30. And I feel like in my like 28, 29, 30 sacred rage was really unlocked within me. 930. Sacred rage was really unlocked within me Like previously I was.

Speaker 1:

I was just didn't give myself permission to feel rage as a woman. I was like that's not ladylike, it's too much. Like I've I've always kind of went more towards sadness and isolation than ever allowing myself to feel anger. And that journey of of allowing for anger and letting it be like a guide, in a way of showing me where my boundaries have been overstepped or showing me where my values are not in alignment with somebody else, has been so healing for me. And even just being able to express like to my partner, to anyone in my life, like I'm angry, I'm, I'm feeling angry versus like not feeling safe enough to feel angry and the potential of being abandoned. If you feel that emotion, you know it. There's so much that women have just not been allowed to feel and do in our society.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so much.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, which that's actually perfect segue. I'm so curious about talking to you about intergenerational trauma. You mentioned that also in your in your experiences with Reiki, that you just touched on some of the intergenerational trauma, and so let's start with that. Tell me a little about your experience with maybe feeling it in your own body and kind of what it means to you, intergenerational trauma.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm really passionate about again as being my parents were immigrants. I'm really passionate about again as being, you know, my parents were immigrants. I'm Filipino American. I'm first generation born Filipino American Y, gen X to millennials, to even Gen Z-ish right the caretakers that raised us. That was a different time then.

Speaker 2:

And I think across the most board, so I shouldn't attribute it just to Asian Americans like things like not showing emotions, because we're we're talking about that. I do think that's a generational thing and so, even with that, as I'm starting to unlayer my things based on just emotions, I'm realizing like, well, I never saw that in my household, it wasn't not that it wasn't even safe to my parents, never showed emotions.

Speaker 2:

I'm pretty sure their parents never showed them emotions. You know the next generation didn't. So then for me I noticed in my relationships as soon as I was old enough to have like a boyfriend or whatnot, I didn't really show emotions Like I would call it the L word, like we didn't use that in my household and I'm pretty sure they didn't use it, but it was more of a. Well, I'm going to show you, I want my kids to be able to vocalize their feelings say I love you.

Speaker 2:

I want them to feel like we said express any emotion, whether it's sadness, anger, whatnot. As a kid, I was always told to be like, not really suck it up, but like it's okay, stop crying, like why that?

Speaker 1:

was the response, you know yeah.

Speaker 2:

So even with that, there's just so many things of now into adulthood I realize these things of not showing emotions aren't serving me anymore. It wasn't serving me getting into relationships in the past, you know like it didn't make me vulnerable enough, it didn't allow people to like. You know I didn't let my walls down. I mean, that's just an example.

Speaker 2:

But then as I start to work with other people on that, you know there's so many things that were passed on from generations that start just getting morphed in different ways. So even things like addiction. Addiction is something that is carried in the DNA and cells of people and passed on. It could be in a different type of form or and that could have been a result, because their great great grandparents were part of you know was a prisoner in World War One, but it like morphed into some other coping mechanism, coping mechanisms or limiting beliefs that we have, and then upon later on, intergenerational trauma. I do a lot of in my work. I I work with ancestors. That's like the one I, the kind of spirits I love calling in, because if people aren't bored with the whole spirit guides or guardian angels or anything we we all have ancestors at least.

Speaker 2:

We know that, their traumas, what they experienced, even the wisdom, the guidance, the good, the bad, it's all being passed down to our blood, in our DNA cells and morphing and living within us, and so that starts to show up as limiting beliefs within, even if it was from centuries ago beliefs within, even if it was from centuries ago.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's wild, my experience with kind of tuning into intergenerational downloads and things that have been passed down, even that rage that I mentioned. I also had a download one day that that's not all mine Like, it's not even all mine for this specific situation or not all mine at the world as it is now. Like I tuned in, I was like that's, this isn't all mine. This, not only is this like ancestral, but it's also like for women as a collective or for like, just as a collective, like emotion. And then, as I get older, it's something that keeps coming through to me more often.

Speaker 1:

Are these just little I don't know how you would describe it not so much messages, but almost encoded visions of whether it be experiences that my dad had as a kid or that my grandma had or that they had together, and they're almost like stories that I'd heard. But they're now populating as visions and have some just some knowing of like. Oh, that's in me and I'm processing that, whether it be like grief or the fear that someone felt being abandoned like an ancestor. It's been, it's been really interesting and also healing and knowing that that it's not all my doing, in a way, you know that it's not all of mine my stuff, that it's so much more than that and that it's it's this collective healing that's going on from like thousands of years.

Speaker 2:

You know that going and it's yeah, it's been really beautiful to experience, yeah it's amazing and, you know, for all of us and probably everyone listening right now, I have a feeling we're all here at this time, right now, because, like I like saying, we're like first generation cycle breakers, or that's you know what I mean People.

Speaker 2:

Because we were born at this time and with the energies here of like, recognizing that, and even though it wasn't yours but you are feeling it now, I really do believe we all have the capacity to heal that at this lifetime and when we do that we're.

Speaker 2:

You know, there's like these kundalini practices that say when you're doing the healing of gen, you can heal seven generations back and pave the way for seven generations forward. And even if you don't you know you're not going to have your own kids or anything you're doing it for your siblings, your cousins, your parents, like a whole lineage.

Speaker 1:

Like how amazing is that, yeah, it's so beautiful. I was just thinking about this the other day just that our generation, we are in such a pivotal point in time is because this is. It feels like this is the first time where there's just a growing number of conscious parents and a growing number of just conscious individuals who are willing to be the first ones to bring awareness to an intergenerational pattern and bring awareness to the fact that it exists and that's the first step to healing it. Just bring the awareness and being embodied enough to tune into these, you know little messages that are coming through that our ancestors are trying to tell us and and being the first ones to yeah, I guess, have the tools to heal it and be to have the tools to choose something different, which is super exciting.

Speaker 2:

And that's already changing the codes, the cellular codes within us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah it's. It's a really exciting time. I'm I'm I'm curious to see just the younger, like the generation who I don't know what they're called who are like kids now, toddlers now, who are raised with conscious parents, just the difference and like how early they're feeling connected or and even their resistance to the brainwashing that you know just inevitably has kind of happened for so many generations, their resilience and resistance to that. I'm so curious to see the kind of change that creates.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that will be only in a few years.

Speaker 1:

I know. So what I'm really curious about hearing about now is well, you have some land in Costa Rica and you're building a retreat center, right, yes, Okay. So tell us about that manifestation process, that creation process. Expand everyone. Tell us about it.

Speaker 2:

So I have it with two other girlfriends. So there is three of us which going into business with partners makes it so much easier because you have people to lean on there's strengths, to lean on costs. But we've known each other since college. One I've known since high school.

Speaker 2:

So, you know, we, yeah, we were very close, and this was during the pandemic, and it was just the idea of where would we love to be and where could we like come back to nature, come back to ourselves and build something that's so special that that that is the intention it is for people who ever steps on this land to reconnect to themselves and mother nature and have, you know, be a place of welcoming and wellbeing, and that's happened.

Speaker 2:

It's too down to the guys that have been built, that were part of the building of it, because I came down one time and put a crystal grid out.

Speaker 2:

We did a new, it was a new moon, we did a little ceremony and we thought these young guys were not going to participate, but we invited them into, like around the fire, and they were like holding the crystals and with my broken Spanish, I was trying to tell them, like you know, put your intentions into it, like release into this, and they, it showed me that, no matter where we are in the world, what language we speak, like, everyone is needing so much connection to spirit, connection to themselves, so much connection to spirit, connection to themselves, something to like help them and release through these times. And that showed that, through a different culture, like a different age range and um, and even if the language barrier was there, it's like we, I could feel it, like I can feel them. So. So, basically, our intentions are to build out a retreat space so that if you wanted to lead a retreat, you would do like you could have a full buyout and there will be a few, like about 10 mini cabanas, so they're all individual.

Speaker 2:

That kind of stem. The idea stem from pandemic of just having you know single units but side by side and a big yoga shala, it's on the Guanacaste side of Costa Rica. Have you been to Costa Rica?

Speaker 1:

I have, but it's been. I was pretty young, so talk to me as if I haven't.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so the Guanacaste side is by the ocean Pacific ocean so you could. It's like where people go to surf too amazing surf, but warm waters to amazing surf, but warm waters. And already down there, you know, there's so many amazing healers and facilitators that live in that area already, so we are starting to do weekly classes for the people, the locals that are there start to do online events because we do want to like expand this, at least through, like our instagram, of having a global reach so people know about us.

Speaker 2:

and then, if you were to like say, not have experience in retreats, but you wanted to come down with a few girlfriends or like a few couples, we would curate a package for you already because we have all the people c cacao sound, all the different healers, people to take you out on like snorkeling excursions, see the waterfall, rainfall, hikes, and then I mean we can even talk about plant medicine, if that's you know cause it's Costa Rica.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that sounds amazing. I'm so inspired hearing that. Will you share a little bit about the, I guess, bringing the vision into life, that process, and if there were any kind of blocks or or opposite, other kind of like serendipities that were so clear, like this is what I'm meant to do and what I meant to create it this talk about like just allowing the universe to take the lead and allow?

Speaker 2:

everything to go and flow and my other two partners are very aligned in that, you know. So it was really easy for us to just feel into it and I mean there's still like there's a lot of costs that go into it, right it's not just like oh, let me just do this and like anytime we've met resistance or we forced like why is this not happening?

Speaker 2:

why aren't you getting sales? Like it's like the land surah, it's called surah because it's made out of the wood, surah, there, surah would show us, otherwise she would like start to take shape on her own. Like no, this is not just for rentals. You need to start bringing more healing here or facilitating things. So down to, like the architect designer we worked with, we interviewed so many. Then we met with one who we thought was going to be on the higher budget, but she was like can I borrow your phone with a compass? And I was like why? She's? Like I need to see where all the um, where northeast, south west, is, because I need to understand how the energy flows on your land.

Speaker 2:

Oh, hands down before you even have a poker face when you're meeting these people yeah, you gotta have so yeah, you're like hired oh my gosh, I was like you were, you know. Yeah, it's been um. She's been so magical, magda. Who's been so magical, magda?

Speaker 2:

It's been so magical part of the process and part of it down to the people working there, the materials we're finding, and I mean, I'm going to go a little backwards With the land. We wanted a certain plot of land. That didn't happen, for whatever reasons. It wasn't happening. We were kind of like, oh, should we eat this other land presented, but it wasn't happening. We were kind of like, oh, should we this other land? Presented, but it wasn't within the the budget we were hoping it was, and just all. It was like, oh, my god, how come we didn't get this land? And another land fell through. And so then we ended up with this land, which is it revealed to itself like it was just so much better. It was away from the road, like all these things and elements and factors. And then this last time I was down there this is how much the land called us we, um, are building a temezcal on site. For those of you don't know, it's like a mayan traditional sweat lodge and so the abuela we're working with.

Speaker 2:

She was there trying to figure out with her all her instruments, like where the fire sheet be built and all of these things we found out. The land is on ley lines of the earth and there are chakra points like energy vortexes on the land. Whoa, that's so cool.

Speaker 2:

This is an example of why we were called specifically there, why all these things happened, why we even spent more money than we needed to Like. It is because this land just like pulled us there and everybody that's been coming, and that's why everyone that's come on has just healed, transformed, felt so good, cool, I don't know if that really answered your question, but I like said that I wanted to talk about that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's such a well. I think it's firstly inspiring for somebody who is listening. I mean trust, and it's a balance of taking that aligned action and also trust that you're being led on the journey that you're meant to and that there's no specific timeframe for that creation to take place. And I also think that there's kind of like you mentioned, where at first you thought it was meant to be for rentals and then the land you know tells you no, it's not. You have to do more healing and, and I think, loosening the reins on the vision as well, you know just kind of more so tuning into the bigger, the bigger, like, how am I supporting you know, how am I supporting healing? How am I serving, you know, turning it over to service as the kind of only vision and the rest will come together.

Speaker 1:

You know and again I want to caveat that with like, that also means taking aligned action, and I'm sure you guys had to move through a lot of, you know just opportunities to create new beliefs around abundance and all of the costs that are associated with it. You know it's not just, like this, only light and airy experience. I'm sure there's a lot more to it. But trusting that maybe what you think is the intention, or, like, what you think is how it's supposed to go is is just a means to get you to where it's actually supposed to go, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2:

No, totally, and remember how earlier we were talking about the why and we had to just come back again after months like what is our why? Like okay, it wasn't that, so then that's not in alignment. Like let's get back to that and and then go from there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's so beautiful and I think just so many people can take a lot away from hearing the story of creation, because I think, especially, it's like serial entrepreneurs or, like I said, other people who have these big visions. It can feel so overwhelming and if you're just a solo entrepreneur, it can be easy to become overwhelmed by the narratives that tell you that it's too much for you to do or that it's you know, it's too big of a vision, and I think it's just good for us to remember that there's no such thing. There's no such thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I always say, with any, even any little idea, that is it's like, just try, you know, and that's those, those are. That's part of the process, that's part of the learnings, that's part of where your path is going to lead you. And if you just try and follow your heart and you know you're of the purest intention it's going to reveal, it's the, it will all unfold like you can't I, it's not like you can't go wrong, but it's you know. You have to be smart and strategic at the same time. But like again back to what is in your heart what is your, why, what are the intentions? And I think the universe will support that because we're all here just to, like, bring magic and beautiful things to the world and help people along the way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, amen. Well, will you please tell people how they can find you, how they can work with you and it sounds like you guys are already booking retreats or tell us more about how people can find you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I do one-on-one work and groups private groups, corporate groups, all the groups whether it's in person in Southern California or online, and you can find me at my first name, hesalizacom, or I'm most active on Instagram, so it's Hesaliza underscore energy healing. And then our Costa Rican property is called Sura S-U-R-A, playa Negra, so it's in Playa Negra, p-l-a-y-a, n-e-g-r-a. And yes, so we're in phase one and we have two cabanas built and a rancho, which is perfect for either like, because the two one cabana has a one bedroom and you can split the singles or put them together for a king, so you could have either two couples or four girlfriends, four people, and then there's even the sofas are single, so you can kind of squish a third person in each cabana. So I say, if you wanted, like you and three other girlfriends wanted, to come down for a like week or weekend, you know, curated wellness, treat to yourself, then we can just help you curate that experience.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that sounds amazing. I'm engaged with the moment and that just sounds like a really great bachelorette situation, just like. Well, my theme is going to be girls gone, mild, just like all about wellness weekend and just you know, yeah, like yoga and meditating together, and so that sounds like a really cool place for me to check out. So, yeah, I'm excited to look at your property, look at Sura, and thank you so much for your time and your presence. It's been such a wonderful conversation.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for having me on. It's been so fun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, of course, I hope you enjoyed this episode. I hope you were able to take away something inspiring from Haslis' story and from her journey. I really loved talking to her. So if you like this podcast or this episode, subscribe, leave a review. It will help so much. It means so much to me. All right, I'll be back next week.