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Triumph Over Trauma!
Triumph Over Trauma!
Tish's Story: Overcoming Corporate Adversity with Grace
What happens when a promising career runs into a wall of envy and impossible expectations? Join us as we sit down with Tish, who opens up about her tumultuous journey through corporate America. Her rapid rise and strong relationships with senior management were abruptly halted by a toxic manager's relentless efforts to undermine her. Tish's story is a powerful testament to the emotional strain of toxic workplaces and the immense resilience it takes to weather such storms.
Ever wondered how faith and perseverance can turn unemployment into an opportunity? Tish's narrative takes an inspiring twist as she recounts her period of joblessness, buoyed by an unexpected increase in unemployment benefits. During this time, she taught herself HR systems and Excel, leading to her first HR job despite initial self-doubt. When faced with more workplace adversity, Tish chose to advocate for herself, resigning rather than compromising her values. Her experience underscores the crucial role of self-advocacy, and the fortitude gained through professional challenges.
In a remarkable journey of faith, divine guidance, and entrepreneurial spirit, Tish reveals how she was led to a pivotal HR role without formal qualifications, eventually launching her own company, Tish Co. A profound spiritual vision during a fast propelled her to accept this unexpected corporate opportunity. We discuss the importance of keeping vows to God and the transformative power of sharing testimonies. Connect with Tish as she navigates trauma with grace and advocates for others in the corporate world.
What is Trauma? Trauma is a deeply distressing or disturbing experience. An emotional response to a terrible event like an accident, rape, abuse, neglect or natural disaster.
- How to cope with Trauma Talk to a few trusted people, open up about your struggle, seek online support groups, read self-help books or practice small acts of self-care such as meditation, breathwork, yoga and exercise can help you regain some feeling of control.”
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Online Psychiatric Medication & Mental Telehealth Services - Rx Anxiety, Depression & Insomnia Treatment | Cerebral - Triumph Over Trauma Scripture: II Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto to God, who always causes us to Triumph in Christ....
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2 Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, who always causes us to Triumph!
Hey y'all, welcome to Triumph Over Trauma, the podcast. Listen y'all. I created this podcast because, like so many other people, I've had a traumatic past. I didn't always realize how those things affected me negatively and how I even carried them into my adult life, and so I wanted to create a space where other people could come and we could have candid conversations on how you identify trauma, how do you navigate it and how you recover from traumatic experiences. If this resonates with you, then join me. I am your host and trauma survivor, ms Eve McNair. Let's get into it. As you know, we're doing a series called your Story, where we're gathering people's stories, from people just like you and I, from all over the world, who want to testify as to what they've experienced, how it has affected them and where they are now. So we're going to welcome to the show Tish. She's going to tell us a little bit about her story. We have a few questions to go over. We're going to jump right in so we can get started with the questions. How are you today?
Speaker 2:I am well. How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm doing well also. Thank you so much for joining me on today. I've been getting so many of these stories and every time I hear them I'm literally blown away. Just a testament to the glory of God. And God is, you know, truly doing inside of us as a people, those of us who have had traumatic experiences and, of course, speaking of trauma, can you describe for me a time, or even times, where you experienced something traumatic?
Speaker 2:oh, so I'm gonna stick to corporate pcsd a little bit. I'm sure you get a lot of the relationship um trauma, a lot of the family trauma. I don't want to talk about corporate trauma and the traumatic experience because it didn't cause me. That's not one that a lot of people like to talk about or are aware of. So mine was corporate, and when I say traumatizing, I don't still come around the curve of it.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah it has been a journey, to say the least. Mine dates back for a couple few years, I want to say. My first corporate experience with trauma was because I don't want to name any companies was a few years ago, um, a company I had been working with for like about three years. Okay, uh I worked there for about three years, had great relationship with the owner of the company, the ceo. The coo moved up very like, very quickly in the company made a good accomplishment for myself.
Speaker 2:Um, and then ran into my first um envious manager or colleague yeah, it was. So it was different for me to process because I genuinely had not um, I don't I typically don't have a java spirit, like it's not something that comes, you know. I mean, I'm always cheering other people on, I'm always supportive. Um, I feel like my time will come. If it's meant for me, it'll be so. I didn't know how to process it but honestly, I didn't know what it was okay, it was just everything that this person, like anything that I tried to do that was succeeding.
Speaker 2:They tried to set me back. So, um, it's so. Oh my gosh, like I love to tell this story, because I tell it to people about how I got to where I am and how God works, Like what saved me in my bed. God made me in my bed. It's so real. So, with this particular particular situation, we came around for performance reviews and, um, at that time my baby, my daughter, was like really she was a baby she got sick.
Speaker 2:Um, so when I came back to work from smla, he assigned me my performance review and he assigned me all this like excel training, like a bunch of training that had nothing to do with my job and I'm like sitting here like uh, addition to my workload which was already pretty heavy, and I'm asking him like, oh, can I have overtime to work through this?
Speaker 2:no, oh wow I was like so I have to do this on the clock and I have to push out all of this stuff. And he was like, yeah, and I was like there's no way possible that I'm gonna be able to get all this done. And he was like well, if you want to work on it in your own time, you can, but it won't be paid okay, and this was your, this was your direct manager this was my direct manager so at the time.
Speaker 2:I'm just like happy to be here, like, okay, I'm gonna work it out. You know, I took it to the chin and so I'm like whatever, like what is this excel training? So I did, I pushed back a little bit. I'm like what is this excel training? Have to do with my role? Like my role doesn't need this, like give me something else, like as a goal or um, an action plan. And he like well, this is what I have for you. And so I'm asking my peers like hey, what's he working on for your performance review? And she was like I have overtime, like he's letting me stay late oh, wow and early.
Speaker 2:I'm like looking like wait, so why do I not have the same autonomy? And I was like I'm not gonna go and take it to the COO or the CEO, like I'm not, even though I sat in the room with them a lot, um, I didn't bring it up to them at all.
Speaker 1:I did not. What was, what was your thought behind not bringing it to them?
Speaker 2:um, I just I kind of was like trying to gauge it and see, and I just didn't want to create a deeper, darker situation. Then I felt like I was already like right in trouble, like I don't want the whole team, like I just don't want to bring it up and someone else misses their opportunity for their overtime or whatever. I don't want to do that, so I did okay and long story short right after I.
Speaker 2:So I succeeded. Okay, I came out. I had three days left to complete all the trainings. I had completed them all during my time. All I was. I didn't do any overtime. I did work a couple of hours like on my own leisure. Basically, I was successful. Performance review came around and I was met with 50 cent raise and a layoff.
Speaker 1:Wow, I was not expecting that. So was your layoff performance based.
Speaker 2:Well then he tried to say so I got the 50 cent raise the first week. The very next week, which everyone else got $1.75 or $2 raises, I got 50 cents and it was. You know, you can't be penalized for being on FMLA. But he was saying like oh well, you were working on this, maybe you didn't have time to work on your other stuff. And I was like no, nobody lost power. So I worked for an energy company at the time Nobody lost power. Like nothing was missing, nothing at all. Nothing was based on equipment.
Speaker 2:And I was like okay, so you're embarrassed because you were defeated and it's what I thought. So I kid you not. I just heard you know, peace be still. So I'm sitting at the table and I'm looking like, okay, I have this baby.
Speaker 1:At that time I was going through a split up.
Speaker 2:Everything is about to be on me. I'm a single mom with two kids. Now, I don't have a job Right. And when I tell you I was about to be on me, I'm a single mom with two kids. Now I don't have a job right and when I tell you I was about to break down in tears but I'm like no, god got me, so I did, I signed it and I was like I have one last request okay and um he looked.
Speaker 2:I was like can I use your computer right quick, like I just want to fill out my unemployment before I leave here, just in case I can't get through. He was like you're not mad. And I was like no, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1:He asked you if you weren't mad.
Speaker 2:He asked me if I was not mad. And the girl was looking. The HR girl was looking like this is a little Person. Yeah, she was like. I was like no, it's just. I promise you can watch me log in and do my.
Speaker 1:This is like a little Person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like no, it's just. I promise you can watch me log in and do my claim or whatever. If you say no, then it's fine. And she was looking like she doesn't seem upset. She was trying to gauge and see if I was a disgruntled person if I was stuck at the?
Speaker 2:computer and I'm like no girl. It is perfectly fine as well. My daughter is still recovering, so this is perfect, like I'll be at home with my children that evening. I filed my unemployment. I did ask them. I said hey, can you make sure to give me, can you make sure that you give me a layoff like my layoff paper?
Speaker 2:or whatever before I leave, because I don't want to wait on it and I'm just going to submit it with my claim. So I filed for unemployment. When I tell you, trust what God allows, because the unemployment at that time they did a double or something and I didn't work for a year. I did not have to work for a year and when I tell you I did not miss out on anything.
Speaker 1:Come on.
Speaker 2:The kids were just fine. My bills were all paid because unemployment went up Like. I don't even know what happened, how they ended it or how they doubled it at that time. I didn't do anything, it just was there. I was able to get state benefits for, like food stamps, and at that time I made a decision to what I was going to do next. I prayed and I was like God, like what's next's next, like I don't ever want to be in this situation again. I want to sit with an HR girl, say right that is what I want to do.
Speaker 2:So for a whole year I studied, I studied, I studied on my own accord. I was at YouTube University teaching myself about systems and HR in a home. About a year and two months, when unemployment was about to stop, I got my first interview for HR position. Now the story gets even crazier. I dyed my hair like this firecracker red, and I also do hair on the side. I dyed my hair like this firecracker red. It was like 26 inches long weave, and she was like hey, I have an interview for you tomorrow. I'm like oh, okay.
Speaker 2:And I was like but I want to let you know that my hair is red. And she was like, okay, does red hair have anything to do with the experience on your resume? And I was like, oh, resume. And I was like, oh, and she's like I have a question for you now. This is where the story all ties in together okay how proficient are you with excel?
Speaker 2:oh, my goodness I said oh, conveniently, extremely proficient, because I just had to go through about six weeks of training in Excel. Okay, and she's like can I send you an Excel test right quick? And I said sure, send me a spreadsheet. The scenario whatever. She sent it to me, I aced it.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 2:Have the interview the next day and when I tell you, I was like almost in tears because I'm like explaining to this board of people that I'm sitting at this table and I'm very excited and very happy to even be considered for an HR role, because previously I was a customer service rep and they were like, oh, we're impressed. Like how good are you with Excel? I was like I'm proficient. I was like, yeah, we looked at your results, like your experience, like your personality, and I was like I would like to apologize to you about my hair. I just dyed my hair yesterday, but if I get this position I'll talk back to a natural color. And the CEO was like I actually kind of like it.
Speaker 2:I don't think it has anything to do with your job oh wow, never take yourself out of you, because you don't know when you remove yourself. And these were his exact words to me. When you stop being who God created you to be, be, you have a tendency to miss out on what God has directly for you and I was like, okay, well, me and my relationship will be here. When can I start? He said Monday, it was Friday. I started the very next.
Speaker 2:Monday my career took off afterwards. Um, that wasn't the only time that I was met with that, so that was like my first experience. And then I went on. As I grew in my career, I got faced with having a manager who wanted to hold me back, but this time it was one of my, my skin folk, kinfolk.
Speaker 2:Uh, when I tell you that was the one that did it like I felt so defeated and beat down because I'm looking like, I look up to you, I admire you, you know you're an HR, you're in this position of power. Why are you like beating me down like this? What is this? When I tell you I prayed, I fasted, I cried, I prayed, I fasted, I cried for months. So we had our last meeting. She was very aggressive in the meeting and I was like you know, at this moment I just want to hand you my two weeks notice she panicked. She was like oh no, no, no, no, no. What is this about? Everyone else in the company loved me, adored me, admired my work, and when it happened like I felt so, like I was confused, I was scared and I kept hearing like, don't fear don't fear.
Speaker 2:Trust what I'm doing, but what I had did was I actually reported her to her supervisor. This time I heard speak up point and I'm looking like but why? Why me? I need my job.
Speaker 1:Right, because I was going to ask you this having been your second time, having experienced that type of corporate warfare, how has it shaped you? And it sounds like the second time around, you learned to advocate for yourself, you learned to kind of speak up for yourself, and you were in the seat of having your own agency. So how did that? Well, I guess we know how it shaped you, but how did that change your outlook regarding facing that? Because they say that we will face the same spirits until we defeat them or until we conquer them.
Speaker 2:I learned in that season to stand up and how to. It was definitely a David and Goliath kind of moment, because all I did was spoke up, was it? I just told them about my experience. They were like I hate that that's happening to you, because everyone shook when I made the announcement that I'm leaving in two weeks right they why.
Speaker 1:And then I explained to them why I was like I can't work under this, like it's stressing me out, blah, blah, blah and I'm reminded when I think about my own trauma, and although I can't specifically identify with the corporate trauma, I have experienced some trauma in the workplace, but mine's more like interrelational and personal trauma.
Speaker 1:But when I think about the offenders and the people who are responsible for causing me trauma, I'm always reminded of the scripture that says pray for your enemies, or pray for those who despitefully use you, and sometimes it's like God, how do you want me to pray for them? Because I'm the one suffering, I'm the one I got to go to therapy, like all this stuff is going on and you like pray for them. But people often look at trauma as having been something that takes place, like I said, interpersonal, or maybe an event or an accident or something. But, like you said, there's workplace trauma, there's corporate trauma, that you can be traumatized by microaggressions and things, and so these are the type of things that we not often take into consideration. So I do appreciate you bringing those points out.
Speaker 2:Where the trauma's a triumph for me is. I do not have a degree, I do not um, so there's no way, earthly way that I should have worn a director hat come on um and with my experience at that time, um, divine alignment, god placed me right where he wanted me to be.
Speaker 2:I had the very first person they gave me my hr position, with a red hair. I'm a 26 inch. We needed a hr specialist and she reached out to me and she said hey, tish, I need you to. Uh, she's like I need an hr specialist. I know what you're capable of, blah, blah, blah. And so I'm like um, I don't know, like I don't know, I don't know if I want to be in corporate right now. I'm still trying to recover. I don't know. She's like work together before it'll be fine.
Speaker 2:And I was like okay, now don't screw this up, because I'm barely hanging on. I only got hanging on, not even by a thread. At this point, I'm hanging on by air.
Speaker 1:So it's safe to say that your mental and emotional health had been affected.
Speaker 2:It was Like I did not trust people in corporate, so when she called with the opportunity, it took her two weeks to convince me to accept it. I finally accepted it and it was a blessing. A bone blessing, a bone blessing. They bumped me up to a manager within. A matter of three months. I was like I had a private consultant from that they paid for and he was like, no, she doesn't need me like, bump her up, she needs to be the head of hr he was like knowledgeable this and this.
Speaker 2:and here I am about to self-sabotage myself like, hey, y'all, I don't have, I don't have a degree, have this. They're like, well, we can pay for it, like we don't care about that. I was like, oh, when I say I went from, I maybe got a $40,000.
Speaker 2:I saw a $40,000, almost $60,000 increase of my finances in a matter of a year and a half. When they tell you God can put you in rooms that a degree cannot. I am a living testimony. Here's the triumphant moment of why it was all worth it. I'm looking for my scripture. Around the end of last year, I always do a very hard fast and I asked God like what do you want me to do? What do you want me to focus on for the next year? How do you want me to? You know? What do you want? Where do you want me? So, after fasting for most of the month of December, on December 28, 2023, he gave me the full vision for my own company, my faulting company, and it was called Tish Co, which is my name with the scriptures Proverbs 31, 8 through 9.
Speaker 2:And you know we love us a Proverbs 31. But and he told me exactly what he wanted me to do with it by you know, coaching, consulting and counseling. I made a leap in April to fully launch. He had also been telling me to stop being so shy.
Speaker 2:If you would have sent me a couple of months ago, I would have never done this. And he had, over the last few months, he's been telling me like hey, stop being shy, you know, get out feet. Like you said. This is what you promised me, that you would not be shy about sharing your testimony. And I was like, all right, when you started to think I was like this is it.
Speaker 1:That's funny that you said you spoke about. God, reminded you of what you had promised him on this morning's devotion that I did with my TikTok crew. It was crew, it was about keeping your vow to God. Crew, it was about keeping your vow to God and I said that there are times when we get in these situations or circumstances in our lives and we be like God. You know, I promise, if you get me out of this, I'm going to do this. I promise, if you get me out of this, I'm going to do this. I'm going to go back to church, I'm going to pay my tithes, I'm going to speak more. You know I'm going to be, you know more of who you called me to be. And then, when the rubber meets the road, it was like but I'm so glad to see you rising to the challenge and keeping your, your, your vow to God.
Speaker 1:What I love about God and I was reminded of that uh, the scripture was in the book of Genesis, where I read about how um Jacob kept his vow to God. The scriptures go on I think it was in chapter 31,. But the scriptures go on to say how God basically honored his vow, protected him, provided for him, kept him, you know, covered him, you know, made his enemies at peace with him, all because of a vow. And so it's so important again that we keep our vows to God even in the midst of trauma, right, even in the midst of transitioning from trauma to triumph. So that's wonderful that you were able to hone in on that promise that you made to God and know that this was something he was requiring of us.
Speaker 1:And I feel like, even with the temperature of the world, even where we are now, with so many people talking about their traumas and talking about what they've gone through, what they've experienced and how it has affected them, it's time for us all to have this voice right. And when I was growing up and experiencing all of those traumatic experiences, I didn't have a me to talk about it right. And now I feel the same call and I'm reminded I think it's Isaiah 60 or 61 that talks about you know, preparing the way for the Lord being that voice crying out in the wilderness. You know, for those of us who hadn't been previously able to speak, and so you just never know how you just taking that leap of faith to speak, to act or to do or in obedience to what God has called us to do. Right, sometimes you're like I can't be obedient in this. I'm going through too much Like I'm getting crushed on every side and you want me to be obedient. You know you want me to do this next week.
Speaker 2:That's his best word, that's when he does it. When I logged into TikTok that day and saw your thing, I was like you know what I'm going to do this. I'm scared and I had been following you for a while, since I first got on TikTok and I did. I had been following you for a while and I was like you know what I'm throwing? I'm gonna sew into her and support her in this, because if there's not a person on this app that I feel should go upward and forward with what she's doing, it will be for the kingdom, before I ever let it be for anything that is not um like.
Speaker 2:I've've noticed that sometimes you know the people who our oil don't flow for every.
Speaker 1:Come on here.
Speaker 2:It doesn't and we think that it's. You know it's something with us. And it's like no, it's because in due time it'll happen for you. And it makes me think about 2 Kings I think it's 4 and 7, with the widow, woman and woman and her and her sons. He was like here, go into your like. And she had her little barrel. And he she was like hey, I'm out like I can't even pour any more oil and he stopped the oil being when I see you I'm like I've seen plenty of people on, you know, tiktok and on social media and they're doing, you know, they're doing good.
Speaker 2:They're preaching the, the word of god or they're sharing, but there are only certain ones that you're drawn to because your oil kind of where you know that that person is doing well in the way that I usually can tell, is because the bible tells us the race is not given to the swift. So just because your oil is flowing a little bit thicker, it's more long lasting.
Speaker 2:Because it's flowing too fast and out of the way and it's just pouring out of the way. We don't want it to move way too fast, but the thicker it is the more you get to.
Speaker 1:It's settling.
Speaker 2:It's getting flaky come on and I can't wait to see it. I have to be a part, I have to support this like, no matter what it takes, no matter what. I'm going to support her in this because I wish more people you know would or they will see it. My trauma has led me to be more shy and reserved and have the belief that I have to be perfect.
Speaker 2:Just not so corporate, but from all of my trauma, from knee high to now it's like oh no, you got to be perfect, because if somebody find anything imperfect they're going to pick you apart. They're going to hate you, but they did the same thing to.
Speaker 1:Jesus Come on.
Speaker 2:And I'm like I'm with it, I can do it, I'm with it, I can go for it, I'm like Paul did it. It was okay Right.
Speaker 1:And none of them were perfect.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy because we read these scriptures and we know you know, we love our Bible and we read these scriptures and we see incidences of imperfect people being used perfectly by God and sometimes we still fail to absorb and to allow that to sink into our spirits. But God shows me, and is showing me, even in what you said, that it's not the right. It's not about being perfect, it's not about having it all together. It's about doing what he called you to do. Let his strength be made perfect in our weakness, and that's something that I have struggled with, because who wants to appear weak, who wants to appear imperfect?
Speaker 1:But God, god is able to, you know, take all of our weaknesses and cause them to be made strong by his power and by his anointing. Amazing, amazing, amazing. Now, you spoke highly about God and it's evident that your faith has played a huge part in your transition and in your triumph over the trauma that you have experienced, both personally but more or less corporately. But can you speak to someone and just tell us, um, speak to someone who may be going through corporately or or even personally, with a traumatic experience, as to how your faith can help you?
Speaker 2:if I know nothing else, um, I would tell you to always lean into god. It always tells you to always lean into God. It always tells you to look to the hills, for which come with your help, and that was something that kind of stuck to me. He made promises Whenever I had my low moments and I felt like I was beneath and I didn't see a way out.
Speaker 2:I literally think about his promises. I research his promise. That's what I would tell. That's what I did. That's how it worked for me, if I can give anybody any words of encouragement. When you are facing anything, your first order of business is to get in alignment with God and where, why and how he has you to go through this and another part of that is research his promises when you need your moments of motivation.
Speaker 2:because if he dresses the lilies with skin splendor, how much less are you? If he feeds the birds he promised you, you don't have to worry about tomorrow because, tomorrow by itself will cause separation when it gets there.
Speaker 2:What I am telling you is I promised you food, clothing, shelter. You're going, you're going to have some somewhere to lay your head with me, and you're with me where I guide you. I'm going to provide with my traumatic experiences, my adaptability, my moments were to not become the things that hurt. I wanted to still remain in Christ. That was it. I don't want to be evil. I don't want to be a hurt person that hurts a person.
Speaker 2:I want to show you who God is and what God allows. I want you to know the love of Christ and teach you what compassion and humility and servitude and joy and happiness, what it really looks and feels like no matter what you do to me.
Speaker 1:I can say, when I look back over my life, like having had the traumas that I've experienced, having had the effects from that trauma mental health issues, emotional health issues, bad decision-making, poor money management, all because of the trauma I experienced I can see the hand of God reworking that right and saying, okay, and in my stead, you know where you once lacked, like you said, management or sustainability, where you once lacked that soft heart, where you once lacked the ability to understand or to grasp reality. Here I come in with my life more abundantly. You know what I mean. So that's the twist I like to put on. It is because the reality of it is trauma affects us all in different shapes and forms. It's not relegated to a certain class, race, gender or ethnic background, but that's just the weapon. The Bible says that there is no weapon formed against us, that she'll be able to prosper, but it didn't say that the weapon wouldn't be formed and trauma was right and trauma was the weapon that the enemy used to form against me. And so we have to kind of, we have to look at it like that. I like what you said about the enemy having access to her mind.
Speaker 1:I believe because every time I read the story of Adam and Eve, obviously my name is Eve and I'm like, oh boy, let me read. You know, god, is you talking to me? Is you saying this is me or not? But I always think to myself God, how was Satan able to get to Eve, especially when Adam was right there? Like, what happened? Was there a miscommunication? Was she unprotected? What went on? But I think that there was a conversation that took place in Eve's mind. There was a conversation. That's where the doubt became, that's where the different things happened. It was in the mind, and so we have to guard our minds, even in the midst of trauma. We have to guard our souls, we have to guard our emotions and we do that in the presence of God. And those are some of the things that I have learned in my journey to triumphing over the trauma that I've experienced.
Speaker 1:Tish, it has been such a pleasure having this conversation with you. You have such a well of wisdom and experience, such a beauty and a grace that is on your life, especially for those who are in the corporate world Me myself, coming from the corporate background. I can identify with a lot of the things that you said, a lot of the things that you spoke about was so beneficial, not only to how we manage corporate life, but even our everyday life, you know, in our interpersonal relationships as well. So I do thank you for what you shared today. Tell us how we can get in contact with you. We want to know about your business and how we can find you how we can find you.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I am on Instagram at unscriptedcheek35. That is probably the best way. I'm on LinkedIn Latisha Allen. Okay, TikTok. I think I'm Angel on Facebook on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Okay. Thank you so much again, bill. Thank you for helping us to just understand the nuances about the corporate world, how to navigate them, helping us to just understand the nuances about the corporate world, how to navigate them, how not to quit, how to speak up, how to even use our own voices to become advocates for others Once we're out of the fire. I just thank you so much for what you had to say today. Now, everybody, I just want to, you know, admonish you all to check Tish out, of course you know, follow her on all those socials that she gave us, so that we can see what's going on. We want to see what God is going to do.
Speaker 1:We know he's up to something. We know he's about to do some things, especially for the underdogs, those of us who have been behind the scenes. He's certainly up to something. That is my prayer and that is what I believe God's promise to me is. Tish, I will see you again soon, hopefullyiktok or one of these social media platforms. I'm sure that I'm going to have you back again on the show. Thank you again.
Speaker 2:Have a blessed day thank you, it was a pleasure being here. Good blessings to you as well thank you, bye, thank you.