אפרכסת
אמיר אורן משוחח עם אנשי ביטחון וממשל
אפרכסת
עודד סבוראי על פלדשטיין, אוריך, נתניהו, איינהורן, רוזנפלד, ברוורמן, חדד וגרוניס
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סניגורו של אלי פלדשטיין, עו״ד עודד סבוראי, בשיחה ב״אפרכסת״ עם אמיר אורן על פרשת ההדלפה המקוממת מלשכת ראש הממשלה ל״בילד״, בעקבות רצח ששת החטופים, כדי לסייע לנתניהו במחיר סיכון מקור מודיעיני רגיש; וגם על ועדת החקירה לכלי השיט
אולפן: דודי דורהם
הפרק הקודם עם עודד סבוראי -
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SPEAKER_00But he could have been a very good thing.
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SPEAKER_01Amar netanyau, uhniku le uurich, anni be kashti menu la dlifma cabinet.
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SPEAKER_00O'Toordin, Batzada Shinishelan, okay, Nahumalash and the other thing. Otto Rihdin, maya eat le urich, may yet m shallah, mshalam yaatskanire, nasale le ainon kachnim sarlano, Ms. Giruayazot be night ethika mikzoich, and goodinim, and I sod. Aval, yes, potential lo shall beat, and potential shell shib, or sash el com a mm or him, we may ya either him, weodeli shall cav be halilh the karani potential. Are you not? Absurdolo sh it fell shul, at soyamana, le shibushalihim, and the ball, and the black, beach pat, sim tok, ello milde, ellohim betoh was the m, khedin, loto richdin, lead comas, or head khakirahad, latet, lavo head khakira sheni, latet, la tet youth, neo tamedim, asole de berechadimasheni. Athensok, efzotbaya shel that, vadata etika shel shato kheddin, and dafka bifne, re shoyota ki fine, shodlodia, bema tzav kazeh el khakiramit nahdin, asur, leyatz, le snaim, mafilu ed o chashud, shne deb, khashud, asulo leyahetzlaim, webuya etzlaim, khazakatiye, shhhub shabihim, lwasuka da varzev, iftime ta khakira, shelolo maryotermize, nahunitan bym shek.
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SPEAKER_00Yeshrayot, Shadrayot Forensio Chenishaut. Okay.
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SPEAKER_01Avner Amedi beinyan nipua khesh bonot ha mamlahtim, le Tovat ki suja khovota pratim a medi kehelec miha bonus shuir ifalamdina gilah et sipur gnevatat munot. As it sipia mi mishe ime et medina, le superioter ma sher in a build. Ula cuttergate?
SPEAKER_00Ani loyodea, any law tell the beer al Qatargate Bufhan me a build, because we're not in the way. Le have di Parashat build, be Parashat Catergate, a Hakira a Day in Mitnaelet, a gabrimikratium, we're can and be a dai at Homrea Hakira, and the bear Hakira Mitnaelet, can you lobira Khomre?
SPEAKER_01Be Farashat Cattergate can be a good thing.
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SPEAKER_01Neged Nesha Mahim. As my Delbenzelevin Edmedina, She Edmedina Mekabel Tmua? Yesh od tik Bitchoni, Medini, Balbol Tutsiburichata Metapelbo, She Felsene Nenu Cashubo. Loakol Felsenha. Loakol build Local Cuttergate, Aval, Acol Netanyahu. Vese Tikleashait Nadon Badat Grunis She Astavo Dayes Sudit, Omnam itit, Omnam Rovazman Hhashait, Aval Kasherikvar Hisira et Akharzubot Mihtaviazara Nokvim. Ben Hameshet a Muzharim ha Pachot Bollet Ulakilha Avner Simchoni un Nikdooshel Aluf Pikudadarom Bemitzakadesh Assaf Simchoni ve Aya Isha Ulayadain Isha Matel Bitah. Matele Bitachon Lumihan, Veuwa Sak Bethum Clea Shaitha Tatianta Muzara Atana Ayikarit Zahu he Shelamrocha Memunea La Vumishe Vio to Beetzim Odmi Vadatah Bitachon Shla Knesset Tatalov Bemiloimriel by Yosef Khadal yot Hamishnell Rosha Malal V Lezman Ma Mioad Rosha Malal Gamshu Khadal La Vod Bamalal Avner Simchoni Mshikle Shatefoto.
SPEAKER_00Gamsu Khadalot La Vod Bamalal Vaksu kvar suman kemishe Rosha Malalal la Bahn Madif Loli canes le Pirte Aruva that Hakirazot. Kokol Legabe Kwaksha and Adam meod intelligent, civil servant mamash, civil servant British, Mali Khoshev Sheva, that's the first, we had Marsim Honey and Hamishta Muzarim, Hushvim Total Alkar Sema Mascanota. But the first time, Yashir Alamaskanota ishio, lich.
SPEAKER_01Al-Rash.
SPEAKER_00Al-Rashot Marachotrim ruimbez Tamlif Gam, cacher time, all aitrim alamascanota ishio, kizeurbal, ze a roh, ze yasheh, etamaskanota machtiot, ma he beche la sakat maskanote. Oh, about the mashim eitakol beachad osib clomarota mahtiot, mam tinimitan, adle a chara, shalav, sheboa sale gorim khrim vehul, metakol, ve ta kol, me far sebimbe ya.
SPEAKER_01Sheb time itna el mishpat plili, neged akadem.
SPEAKER_00Zadavar shenyevala dine, and they hadine by corita rishona. Beineu agam sh kol khavreva data khakira azot, misweipanim, sneish of team shall bet mishpaton le shafar, old shlo shaggorim sh be met, the sharimbeyoterba machot, adine, le adam bakhir vehagun kihol shyeye yem odkasheli stacher, midvarim shu kvar katawla, khar shakla vetaria vehulai. Velachen beenu, uh shalava ba, sha bo na kumorovim, u shalav sha kwa huhtam, ve pot dea, u arbuter metzunzama, sha potential le le la zor le kh vreawa dalega bez dea. Welach, leh beko m'outha rifala inyan, bahartem le farsem maskot, ma'tiot, bet sedekagav, khashuvim, shet'sarihaya, le farsem kwa, te fatwa maskanota shiy, the pachot khashov, zhai bethade, chene u sh baut parasha mamash, behelek mota parasha, mishpat plili, neged khelech me na mawavim, ele shhi bit nelik da mishpat plili, lomi idim, be lohi idu, bevadata khakira, loya idu, veloni tana la sot, asupitul.
SPEAKER_01Zelosha lole simchoni velolen tani.
SPEAKER_00Lole simchoni velolen tanyao na kon. Aval masha l'hoa dab sha ta di barta lafwaya boss shell of near simchoni, uh medle din plili. Afada losham auto, yahooli o shuaya omerega, kolmashwa miaqsimchhoni, any ore tilo la sot, kola uhim shu khatumalem, elem mismahim shu kataw, vani khtav tilo.
SPEAKER_01Holochem zemashma yushobim, vazem yunim naimosh me la zir simchoni, a pizul aze upitsul m auto ki meshtihum baru, ben mashekoreba plilim, leven mashemutar la vada la so.
SPEAKER_00A pizzul po fakli pizul meshulash Mishpat Plili, eruhad, mascanote ma rahtiot, eruasheni, mascanoti shyot, eruash lishy, webasov me shayotze nif sad mi kach, ele a anashimat'sam, shanimaskir shanote, theamlatzot, mamlahti, pa, yom pachot, andron, shhafad la say tok love, Bono Marche, Nishtakem, mea Avirazo, le doch kaze, yesh mashmaut kial, beyhasla individualim shukarim, buthoshev, shall zepsikash elbeta mishpata e leon, sheberuim ka elet zarich litia khes, behirdat kodesh le zhuyotchel anashim, la zhuchelem le shem tov, ava la zhut ilokle shem tov, yeshlaashlachot yo termoharzkuyotnosafot, al kal Matzavkal Kalita asukava, khai khaih khai, madhatha la rashel shofteau beinyan uhad am la tzashelahem uh redumiz ubemovla hagil esdershabo atzadashani yodeba ishumim hak tsatyoterkalim. Animedaberbsuam od assertivital dharim shani mikirve yodeh Bede kal miklirishon ani lochol litbate be akaslitikshani be met hediotbo ani kore itanyana valiloma kirhomera kakira. Zhad shthaim anihabedet marehta mishpat, gamim dvarim niri himli lefamim muzarim anichabedamaarehet, shoftimidbatim, anni makshive tev, gamchani sanegov, shhomai, batucha shofet, ani maksive tev, barulitamid, anakhatamotsatri khalio, miniim shel shofet, betakashovti m shelbishpatvehosi, miniim k shirim ve inyanim. Ulayaholeot, as ani loh anilochole abiadea, ani ken abiyadea beachas le often itna luta mishpat procedurali shenira ali algvulla shuria. Mishpat kazehloh shivu tit meod, butim shlachhay mshalano, velotze klahiv, amurayalita mili tnael bekeh, your terma here, pagrote you la seged, mipnea interesse at siburi, you t you made you shavo, exim khamisha, mimb shavo pitom a valikshefanu shesha nim la mishpatah nixhefishallon, but administrative and la mahut. And be a shel shella, but it's halid khaness, lishkoletayarrot, lomekableme araqazot bofen automati, of act bitsuwe, gamer kati ruga mim uh azot simina territoria, shim rit inbe praklituta medina, do lishkoleta dvarim, velkabela kata inyanit, lomutet, l'emocionalit, ve kamuvanche l'opolitit. A mishpataze, beapodea, khayavle gyele they see um TV, lohani na, lohes dirti uneshaam, rosha mem shalla, amar dvarim, kolkahboti, behaz l'mehta mishpat, lahta yashlemahta mishpat kula. Loya kholiot, shha maarehet, takyelezder, shloya fanu ketzibu, la datat, mawa ni tuah, ufdativa nitua mishpati, shel beta mishpata mechoseve, kanirahhez, shel beta mishpata e leon, mashekara, a derech ktsara, shamnim lanu, beina himeguna, beinaywah shel roshab shalash mitnahel ba shanimafish nael, thewash domele khatifa. Ani margishulanu, lanu, kin rosh bifna katifazot, fu, nachzir milhama, amilhama val Bakeliman echhanimra yot shah, thzeuma shadow, andarechhetif all kmo pelis, aval, lola sot kitsura, la maarehet, khanina be naized migune, by sharze, laitabakashat khanina will game ilo Itaba Kashathanina, andikasur haya leaterla, medina, yali tihesla bakasha lahach lohgsha, mukdemet, byat legalgelet the bicola madrigod, velola tril ez shutalih, Mira metmot nishika, bigal si bot Trumpy or to layaval, andikhasura yalif tohbochlal, anikesanegor, I t mitkashemeod, listakelbainim shelak meashura, masbirlo lama utsarih, le tzayet, le zimunim lebetmishpat, velitnek fishnek michpat, kash mishushit nekbakohnit vasashimush, beinail rah, bekohamashelo, keda mishpatik, fishekahnira, uh, darim lo darimbe yachadvani khoshev sh and manos elam shit, kasheve koev kihosheye, ad la totzah asufit.
SPEAKER_01Aitami uhamim falomara movilim, butuma mishpati negeda fiha mishtaritim shonim kmo asvirut, vegamagana alhayaleitzal, pen econa mashlimut itbatel, kasher marehta mishpat mit poerit. Mamazan, ahshav Kshe Akakikanim Shechet, Aficha Mitkademit, Taknu, Fsadnu, Animekavesha F sadaze ehola Fokhlenitsachon Bervotayamim. Atamitsah no ladam kudamidai vita Uliamim Aita Lomed Torah Upatur Mishirutsvay?
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