מוחמד מג׳אדלה: המגמה כרגע, בחיבור עבאס-סגלוביץ, היא לשבעה מנדטים ומעלה

העיתונאי מוחמד מג׳אדלה, רדיו נאס בנצרת וערוץ 12 בירושלים, מקושר מאין כמותו לגורמים המשפיעים בחברה הערבית, ולא רק בה.

לפני חצי שנה חילץ מג׳אדלה בשידור מראש מפלגת רע״ם, מנסור עבאס, את ההצהרה המקורית ואף המהפכנית ביותר בפוליטיקה הישראלית בשנים האחרונות: הוא מתאווה לצרף אליו מועמד יהודי, והטוב בשמות העולה בדעתו הוא ח״כ יואב סגלוביץ, ניצב בדימוס במשטרת ישראל, שבהיותו סגן השר לבטחון פנים בממשלת בנט-לפיד הוביל בהצלחה את המאבק להפחתת הפשיעה בחברה הערבית.

בשיחה עם אמיר אורן באולפן רדיו נאס חוזר מג׳אדלה ל״אפרכסת״ וסוקר את הדרך מאז שעבאס הפריח את משאלתו לאוויר ועד שהרעיון תודלק במירוץ אל סגירת הרשימות בבחירות לכנסת וצבר תאוצה פוליטית ותגובות נלהבות, אך עדיין לא המריא עם עבאס אל מעל למשוכות.

מג׳אדלה מונה את סעיפי מצעו של עבאס , נכסיו וקשייו. הוא גם מעריך את השפעת המהלך על שלוש המפלגות הערביות הנוספות, על שיעור ההצבעה ועל עתיד השותפות הבין-מיגזרית. כשהוא מתבקש למקם את המחוג על הרצף ״כן״, ״לא״ ו״אולי״, הוא בוחר במספר המשקף הערכה חיובית, מהולה בספקנות.

אולפן: ג׳וואד עומרי

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SPEAKER_01 0:04

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Hay Zinishmah, Hafuch, Keilu Atnua Islamit, Aital Netel al Ram, Lokfi Sha'omer, Imki Tsarik Kanlazkir, Hayub Otamem Shalh Sha'tah Mitsayen, Memchalet Netanyahu, Bang Vir Smith, Mishra Ubah Hamas Neches, Veham Ramaz Mansura Basio Termukhar, Shekatar, Qatar, Kmo Turkia, Achim Muslim, Hamas, Qatar Ratstar, Sharam, Pitstareflet Netanyahu, Azo, Bonasadir Zekazim Muraqav and him, and the other thing.

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Aval measure it, Abbas Seglovich, Avalazir Bit of the Hediotot, Maevel Ben, Kadash, Letal, Le Balad, Le Ram. Okay, so that's the same. So, if you have a baladino, or you can see that we have to do this, you can't get a little bit of a good thing. So, Abdallah Nimir Darwish, Shani Khavla Git Shikamhu, Bemuvan Misuyam, Ayulud Diot Rigilot Bahevra Vit. So I Sheikha Risholidati Bahevra Vit Bisrael, Shigina Tilem Shel Hamas odbe Alpim Shlosre Alpha, the Marshikol mit Kafashi, Hamas or Kol Gorma Maker, Otil Shu Besem Shugarl bli Di A Mahamat Tarashilo, Vupuga Bizrahim, the mashul shoe asul fiadata Islamit. As Gamze or Machloket, and the same, la roots like the Knesset. Aval, Anachnu, Kizrahim, Vizebatam Let's Villa Khiza Islam with Vilishanote, Ader Gamma, Ahevratit, Politica Tichilo Hadar, Shilano Zadakhut Israelit, the Kabalata Hoka Israeli, Vihakavod, Villa Theta Kavad, Villa Khabeda Hokka Israeli, Virak, Dhaghzalif all Villachen, Hashav, Shadakh and Hunazi, Knesset Israel. Gamim the Lobarama, Zoa Gaya, Rishuna, Azmi Bsharra, Hami Yaseda, intellectual, and the other thing. Avalhayom Lohim Laatheir, Ada Velagin, Pombi, Bagaz, weovel. Avalimadainum, she's not Naharlayam, Shivayon Male Kulam, and Khokli Kulam, so that's a very shivayon male ben Falastini Israelim, come on seeum kibush, we call it Varimale. But Khala U Khavar Agavle Azmibshara, Vele Balad, Achzewith Le Khadash, Achzewam Ithaber le Ram, Vibil Gula Kayam, Me Azal Pan Vichasa u Shutaf Shell e Khadash, Hayom Yosh ni Sayon Le Hakim Michadash Tarishimam Shotafita Michulesh, Shel Khadash Taal Balad, Bentamitkal Bik Shayim of Lidati Zimmer ek.

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As by Srimbey Yanuar, Yoshev can Yoshem Daberitha Lakav Mansura Bas V the Hadamikriman Drim Shabaim Aram Ayalifne Abaraq, Uzaraketa Vrakashelo, Hiftata et Shum Echa Kollelet Yov Segalovich, Avrachat Sishana, Betzem Lokarashundavar, V Gam Mansura Bas, Loasa Ezhum Mahalakh Lekademitse, as Makara Shapitom Bashavota Honim Colosipuritore Mhadak.

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Harishon She Mansoor Hivin Sufit. Shefit and Colch Aram Flagar Vietnam, Nagial.

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Tadia Yesha Mil Hama America Kita Mesorati Catoli had a very good. Or the Dogma Israelit Hassamba, Sham Gamesh Nara the Mansura Basela, the Shah Muslimi, Notsri, Yhudi, Isha, Ulay Pachot Shamranit, Mimisha Hshav Baerkev, the Amiflagash.

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Mansur V, Ma'od Rutim, Me'od Mishnaim, we're not going to be able to do it. So, we have to get the same thing. Aliashil Me'ave Asarah Khuzim Mi Me'av Shishaner Tzachim Bishana, Limataim Arbaim Vishlushana Tzachim Bishana. Zeah Hamituraf, Shekhivra Vit Mikira, Vilhani Mukhira Gamle Afalovichita Avudashi Wasa Bamuwana Zamlov Gamle Omer Barlev Shaya Kamvan Asar Vitahon Pnim, Lefness.

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Aval, Yeshpa Bed Varim, Shibaram, Gam Sakhim Lasot, Benemzi Barama Rikita Rayonit Schoyot, Lahtabin, Varim Kale, Shegam, Yoaf Sigalovich and Loya Schim, Lit Starefliga, Shiloti Yashav, it's a barama rayonit, gamemzeba be often, gam kedeshui kolle ragaviliotalik madavanze, kedeli shalevashav, gam shneikavim makbilim, ifgashim, ycholimb sapeketa.

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Hadmashmeit. Mr. Klemazi Kimalach history, Avalashga Mgurmim sh Mr. Klimazi Bhibitim Atidim, Stumat Cheman Sora Bas Mataishu, Yifrosh Mira, Mutista Kadenza Slazmanas, and Achugwa, Hadina Shelam Flagaz Tane.

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Al Dishpa, Le Mashal She Walid Taha, Shukai Sparch Time, Msegalovich, Azuya Zuz Misparchalosh, Aval, Panavle Atid, Beod, Besoffa Knesset Tabah, or Beach, Mansura Basi Froch Let Mea Ms. Guerret Azul, Malach, we're not going to be able to do that.

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So, we have to do that. Animus, we have to be able to get the people who are living in the world.

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Hassar Madjadlah, Amar Sheim Kah, who Mahrim Bemkha, eteshivoth, velomu khan lyot shutaf. Azyesh Mashuba Hashash, Shekasheryem Mivchhan, velohashuv me achrailoh, Hassar, Haarvi, Yah Mot Bhatsad.

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And Khoshaf Hashash Kayamat Zadimish Setam, M'shallah, Hushesh, K Rve, Khalik Mahama Falastini, Avlu Gamizrah, Mem Dinat Israel. Shaatah, Pugeshitam Tiuta, Shaatah, Helik Mimdina, Shibi Mal Hama ima Am Shulha. And Mishla Shev, but Zuraq Mil Haman Islam. Shah Shatif. As Bihadash, if Sherlitzha Krabin, Shalhazot, Israeli Chiita, Wamar the Verme, Wamar In Yasar Arafat, Shul Khan, Viloni Taketamaga, Imrabin, La Shalom, as me and Shalhazot. As Zedavan, looked in a hell, and Memshalit Israel. So, we have to say that the world is not a very important thing to do. So, we have to do this, and we have to be able to get the same thing. Sheim Yematsav. Yeman Hig Yisraeli She Yavin Shah Shanim Shal Milhama. Vesheva Khazitoch Shadan Ptochot. Vikola Koach Israel Sama Bikola Khazitot, Veloitizgor Af Khazit, she gives you, she gave me the Yemen Highad Gadol Vihazak. She have Sherlauh Bishalom, Bibita Khon, the M. Hagesher, the Shalom, and Israel, the Falastini, and the U.S.

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Aymen Odeola, V Yosef Jabarin Ba Khazer B'etem M'Vinim bysur Hit Starfut Veto the Ghetto im Yamshihu le Sakel ou le Kabel Mache Kablou the Odmotavar Sha'Adam Rak Hayar Ravamar.

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Sheem sugelet lachevet alagadeh, memchalet. Gulan. Gulan. Ilakihem vinim sha tzibuh arvi janish vila katibuh arvi, haulam arvianish. Cole meflaga arvi, afsher la memshallah, bitul dot israel, bitldota Izo, l'am sharit qayem. And lor emiflah al lorem higihad, shugal la vovilagid khab khirot, shulol leh la amlitz al mishu, shulu vil ta shinu, filihapilta mem shallah.

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Lamrot alekhala al pay msrim, kasher khamishasar kavr shimam shotefit, be ma'alah shahzayahsartakdim, hit a khadu, l'amlitz al benigants, ravalouf bedimus benigants, et elana si rivelin, as ganz alah ve maharo tam lenetanya.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Gamlat sibura, vi shelarishuna, higav, alman higi hudi, raamat kalisha, campaign of kherochelo misparahimbi az, apropo de barma shavla, miti khut azot. Balat, khadash ta' al-viram, hal khuvihim litsual gans, vigamla, machaneshilo, li shutafav, m adayom ma shimimut ofin, bazira politic fishana khuruim, li ganzaz ta' privilegi, entha privilegi azot lemflagota arvjot, privilegi azot la khevra arvit, kolyom miner tzahim, sheomer sort batim, biglalha, shel smotri, shel bang vio, shallem shallah azot, gamba muvanazerva, gamba muvana liumi vanihola gidha, me ble linkov be shimot. Basicovid not, she midinot me odla Israel. She me did not, she me odsot yah Hassimim Israel. Okay, and you'll m did not baulama arvi. She'srael, can lomit naked Israel, baut m rot, gamli v gamla gourmim khareim, anahno routim khiot ma shalomba mizakih, anahnu routim tatim shutaf md israel, tafkida histori sha'hem ka arvi mizachim dinat Israel, l'orak avohm dinash al khem la gama u lama arvi shavatim, la mrhafatem shaykhim, la tedwila tzbiya kedilha klifta mim shallah azot. Anihulagilha s Lorak Ra ube nitanya u Manhig Gadol Vehulei, la him khashwamiga yahhid shif sha la sutitomutan midinotum road, shuha manhigha yahid, Israel, shif sha'llah suh. Sma rakali kudya Gamarita, itn textat mahavarvitha martha gammarte vigam of tiksha vita beomit, tikit by Mizrahthon, Hayumdi Nord the Yuman Higimti Mulam, Vishamat, Hamidabrim, Lifnamilham, Lifnashvibuktober. Khmayum the Brim albinaminatana Yita Barak by an aim shallab, it's a kid, and I'm a kid, viuhtaman higim, my brim, lorak bibuz, lagambi kazga dolmeod, almash amim shalazu chlitanayo asta, vihovila lorakamizakhone lagamidinat israel ba mufanas.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Maya shura t'zbah, ba hevrahavit imam tzavicher kmoshwah shav, the myashhura tzba immalak shel abas Segalovich ytzlih.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

Azewa anikhoshev Shuratzba yegavwa gamkaha. Gavwa me mahat prehrot kudmo, Sigalovich vilo abbas Hamatava Kashha Khvaarvit, so velet mimelu. Absheava ali mu Tamil Kama Gizanuta Gwa konat varimale duhfim t'ibura arvit abuharim batibuh ba khivarvit, let'set vilatzpi. Aval ima tibura arvi ma' gishesh tikva, ba kutamida inruimizabas karim, anditah po dugmarak sita vin, atkama tibura yudu lomiv vint ta' shivuchi l'hai, wa tkama man higeiha tibura yudu, l'hommi vinim ta' ksivuchi lahim bi hanaat tzada shini bianata tiburavi. Ba prirota khono shibi kurhachilapid binatserit, kshay rosh memshalla, akhrei pachot mishavua, et a khuzat ba'ba kivrah vit bih ki barega tsibuhvi za kh Bagambiskarim vi gambik mi kot kolazman. Barrega shha tiburahvi margish partner, sheyesh tzati ba vi umer bow, anachnu al khla sochin ubiyachad, minyyat khvrah vit.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Vilachen gambba mwwana ze khmiflagah kazeu khair, flaga yhudit, umer, anachnu la khlim shainala ravi, anahnu lokul kahbi tohim shazeh, anahnu akh vib Oktober, anini travul pamet, kilosh vibi Oktober kilwa tibu zamut, Bihol Pam shahmirak, the kuihat ba kim smotivrait, bahim shmoutil la gush, lachlifit netanyao, asla ken ba muwwana zani kh im youar beatarot kaele, weimathesha knuim yekazh and khosha yala kwa khuza tba me alham shimbach misha khuze khlumara tamoulah shailalikud shemina gachat et ezenkoatwahriim vomerat, and la mememshalla, bli arabim kedeshimegidu, lh lonachon, lonachon, loni ma ravim, himatzbiha, la vileto saa, ba muwana ze shel dikuya tzbahela.

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Alula, imzaya rahka kampani mshela likud, zedafkambe ude dat'ba kivravit. Ki akivrah vit wa ata kampani mele, reggaz, n mshalabim za khom nitzela tzbiya. Habaya, sha tzado shenin nirtah, mi gamgem, mit kapel, mit natzel, vizemashi yutzertabaya agav, ani ani tsayanpo, lizhutoshilgadi isin kut. Shehu bi shoneme me benet vilapid, hitzliak bidiu kafishem nih shilo. Benet vilapid kolazman, mitoh pachad, vechoser omets, loko yun sugalim lehagid, shehem, lopuslim, shotfutar viti udit ba memshalaba. Lambochiagav, otobenet vutam oto lapid, umdim alkohol bama viumrim, memselta shinu eko dometaitam mshalakuwa shesh. Az lama, le rebono shelam, memsala sha tomershi, memshalatuva, atalom sugal, la gichata wzela so. Big lam ki baba oktob, na kol, bidiuk. Zekolanian shel Gade Iazinko tulla veamar ni proussel Arabim Kharidin. Uba veamar yeshli shlusha eikronot, Harishon, ze akarab Israel kim dnayhi who did the demokratit, a shini kabalat wahmi gilata t'sma'ut, Vashliši ze shirout tzvai o li uumi. Sherut l'akol. Sherut l'kol, shivan ba natel machinika. Mishima skim lat na ima le kronota ele, youholit straf, vaniloppu serotu, viba muwvanazze, khzerota na otma li mansovalovich. Khadat na'ima itumir, u khadat varim, xi af shiru viya keluit tstafuto siov Sigalovich, zimahlachura bas uvedala gamhum e to khamaalahim ali beyamim ele, gabesh mitvei shirut, afil l'ightomer shirut, mansorabas viram kuumlizim mitweit nad vout, aval shyeyaf. Khova Lamroche Lalomchan Lamrocha Munakh Shirut Lakol Matin Nashim Kharidiot, Nashimarviot, andan befn Bidu Vilhan Bram Mikir is Nadvoot, Kim Phenatam, Mlorotim Shizhamaq Moshirut's Va'i, Mwtim Mitvechir, Sheaf Sher Shivayum Banetel, Vigami Anal Torachmouth Hashovarvit, Sheom, Arbaim Khuz, Mehanoar Shuben, Gil Shra D Srim V Arba, Hassar Kol Misgeret, Anashima Bim Command L Academia, Vel Mesgarit, Himlepshia, Vilkan Interessal Havarit and Tolem Misgerat. Maskimit Kalagam.

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If you had a racket, Muhammad Bajatle attah, you termicall dama khabik israelit, arvit ou a cheret shotaf le lewatav she l'ansurabas, the makiroto, vegam istakel me tzad kihu beholdat more av rigshit. As Stejot Mishnah Mitchabot le Sheila.

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