What Does a Healthy Biofield Look Like? with Dr Beverly Rubik

What does a healthy biofield actually look like — and how would we recognise it?

In this episode of The Future of Wellness, we’re joined by pioneering biophysicist Dr. Beverly Rubik for a deeply grounded exploration of the human biofield, energetic coherence, and the subtle architecture of health.

Dr. Rubik has spent more than four decades at the frontier of biofield science, bridging rigorous biophysics with consciousness research and energy medicine. She was instrumental in introducing the term biofield to the U.S. National Institutes of Health and has led landmark research into biophoton emissions, emotional coherence, energy healing, and non-local aspects of human consciousness.

In this conversation, we explore the biofield as the organising field of life — a super-regulator that informs physiology, perception, healing, and resilience — and why this dimension of health has remained largely absent from mainstream medicine despite growing scientific evidence.

Dr. Rubik shares insights from laboratory research with healers, medical intuitives, and meditators, revealing how intention, emotion, and awareness measurably influence the biofield. We discuss what distinguishes a healthy, coherent biofield from one shaped by stress, overload, or depletion, and why symmetry, smooth flow, and regulation matter more than having “strong energy.”

The conversation also examines non-local consciousness, group and environmental biofield interactions, and the effects of modern electromagnetic environments on energetic integrity — alongside practical considerations for strengthening resilience in an increasingly technological world.

In this episode, we explore:
 • What scientists mean by the human biofield
 • The biofield as a super-regulator of health and physiology
 • What a healthy biofield looks and feels like
 • Why coherence and smooth flow matter more than intensity
 • How emotion and intention shape energetic regulation
 • Local and non-local healing from a scientific perspective
 • Group fields, environmental influence, and collective coherence
 • The impact of modern electromagnetic environments on the biofield
 • Practical ways to support energetic resilience and integrity

This is a rare, science-literate conversation for practitioners, researchers, and anyone curious about the deeper dimensions of human health, healing, and consciousness.

Learn more: brubik.com & frontiersciences.org

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Transcript

Keith Parker 0:00

Hello, and welcome to this episode of The Future of Wellness. Today we're joined by Dr. Beverly Rubick, a pioneering biophysicist and one of the leading voices in biofield science and energy medicine. With a PhD from U.S. Berkeley, she has spent over four decades exploring the subtle energetics of living systems, publishing more than 60 scientific papers and advising institutions from Dr. Andrew Weil's program in integrative medicine to the U.S. National Institute of Health, where she served on a congressional advisory board and chaired panels on electromagnetic and manual healing. She's the founder of the Institute for Frontier Science, an NIH-funded research center supported by Lawrence Rockefeller, and has led studies on Reiki, Chigang, and the human energy field. Dr. Rubick has appeared widely in international media, including Good Morning America, and continues to bridge cutting-edge biophysics with consciousness and holistic healing. Dr. Beverly, it's a pleasure to have you here today.

Dr Beverly Rubik 0:53

Thank you very much. It's my pleasure.

Keith Parker 0:56

Let's start with the basics here, given you've been a pioneer in biofield science for decades. How do you personally define the human biofield and how has that definition evolved as the field has evolved?

Dr Beverly Rubik 1:10

I define the biofield as the organizing field of life. And I do believe, and I've stated it hypothetically as a scientist, that the human energy field is the super regulator of all of our physiology and biochemistry. And maybe the only thing higher is consciousness itself, is our intention, our will, our drive, our resolve to heal, to be well. Biofield, the term I brought actually to the U.S. National Institutes of Health back in 1992. But there were a lot of precursory ideas, concepts, even from Oriental medicine. For example, both ancient Indian medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, and ancient Chinese, Japanese, Korean medicine brought us concepts of qi or a life energy. And this is, of course, related to a life energy field. So it really is very ancient, but there was no concept in science. Science dismissed the idea of a life force a long time ago when I think somebody synthesized an organic molecule for the first time in a laboratory. And then they said, well, there's nothing special about life. And it became known in conventional science that life is just a bag of biomolecules. And so if they learn everything about these biomolecules, the DNA, the proteins, the fats, and sugars, then they will understand life. But then we found out with the Human Genome Project, we had less genes as human beings than a grain of rice. I mean, seriously, clearly there's a lot more to life. And the genetic paradigm only took us so far. I'm not saying it's wrong. There's certainly a lot to be gained understanding human genes and what they do and in health and wellness, but the energy field has been a neglected part within our science. And finally, it's been gaining some ground the last few decades.

Christabel Armsden 3:19

Recognizing that you're something of a pioneer, Dr. Beverly, and a leading voice in this evolution that you've uh just mentioned, what first pulled you from traditional biophysics into exploring subtle energy and consciousness? Was there a single moment for you or an experience that shifted that trajectory?

Dr Beverly Rubik 3:37

Well, actually, I would say it goes back to my teenage years because I was doing unusual things, lying in my bed, besides reading books. I could go out of the body and be in the corner of the room. And I said, Oh, I'm not sure what I just did, and maybe I shouldn't go any further. But I had I was exploring consciousness on my own and experiencing strange things. And then when I was in college, I had an injury in ballet class, and that was just my hobby, dance. And I was scheduled for surgery, but um I decided that was risky and I really didn't want surgery. What alternatives might there be? And somebody said to me, Well, a spiritual healer's coming to town. I said, Well, what's that? Uh and she said, Well, as in the Bible, they lay hands on you, and sometimes magical things happen. And so I did this, and I didn't need surgery. It healed up on its own. And then I began to take a look unofficially uh in graduate school in the laboratory on energy healers who happened to be coming to Berkeley, California. And that was just getting going in the 1970s. They're the the origins of things like therapeutic touch, healing touch, Reiki coming to the US kind of happened in the 1970s when I was in graduate school at UC Berkeley. And so um I saw some interesting effects in cell cultures from uh healers who put their hands uh cupped around test tubes. And some of these cell cultures I disturbed by adding a poison or starving them for a nutrient or an antibiotic, for example. Uh, and lo and behold, I could see um differences between those that were energized or uh treated by energy healers and those that were my controls that were untouched by them and even unknown to them. They were just sitting on another shelf far from this uh experiment going on, but at the same temperature. So there were controls in place, but no healing of my controls. And I did see better results on the healer-treated samples than the controls. So I knew that there was something about the human energy field that putting hands around uh a broken part, maybe it's what mothers do to children who have an injury. They want to, they want to hold them, they want to touch them. It's a natural human thing. We want to help somebody with our hands who's had a a problem, a fallen, a disease, etc. And there's more to that than just physically manipulating them. It's about the energy coming out of our hands itself that can help restore the biofield of the person or the cell culture that's ill or poisoned, in the case of my lab studies.

Keith Parker 6:36

Would you take that a little further and describe uh like a mechanism there for that energetic transmission, where we go from the domains of describing the physical, material, chemical body to describing energy in some kind of language, maybe that has a grounding in the realm of science that describes what is this flow of energy, what is this biofield interaction in some more concrete terms.

Dr Beverly Rubik 7:02

Okay, well, actually, there is a measurable field coming out of the human body. Some of it is light. For example, uh, my laboratory has all kinds of different devices to measure aspects of the biofield. It's not just light, uh, the level of visible light is very low. The level of infrared light coming out of the human body is about 150 watts. That's imagine that's a very bright light bulb in the infrared, which our eyes can't see. But uh that's the most the strongest component of the human biofield. And then there are uh there's a magnetic field component, there's electrical components, and I believe there are more subtle energy components based on our research that go beyond conventional science that involve things like uh fuels emitted from the human body related to our emotions. Um that um, I mean, nobody believes that that's so. In fact, I think our lab was the first to discover it that energetically positive emotions show one effect, but negative emotions so it show another effect. So it's really important to be healthy and in a good mood if you're doing energy healing to have a good effect on people. And we have developed some detectors that can distinguish between positive emotions such as love and joy and uh good feelings versus negative emotions like anxiety and fear and even hate. And we can distinguish those uh away from the body with uh no probe on the body at all. So it's not really related to any deep physiology, it's energy around the body. So there's a lot of different aspects to the human biofield, and quite frankly, we did we have not yet had a human energy field um project, like we had a human genome project. So I don't think we understand it fully. I think that there's much more to be done, and it would be wonderful to have billions of dollars as we did for the human genome project, and a lot of people, scientists in different laboratories all over the world, uh working together to explore the human energy field and all of its uh wonders, uh, because that's the missing link. We we've really dissected our own selves down to molecules and and and even atoms and quarks practically, but energetically, this field has never received, shall I say, a leadership organization from uh the government or from a nonprofit foundation that has big bucks that could really sponsor the human energy project. So I have long advocated for it, but it hasn't happened yet. It's something I would love to be part of, and I do wish and put my will behind that, hoping that um people will hear my words and join together and we can make this happen.

Keith Parker 10:12

So, following up on that, I really appreciate everything that you're saying. And you know, where Christabel and I come from and the work we do with people is we're not working within the scientific domains, we're working in the direct experience and working with clients and as a therapeutic model. And we know from our direct experience this biofield interaction, how deep it is, how penetrating it is, and how much the word consciousness is involved with that. Um, so we've kind of picked our poison, so to speak. Um, however, uh, you're working within the scientific community, and we've spoken on this podcast to a number of people who are really at the cutting edge, who are really doing a lot of research, who are, you know, at the top of the game regarding biofield science. And over and over again, I always kind of ask, like, how far into this are we? How deep are we? Like, what can we detect? And from what you're saying, you think that there's a lot more. You just said there's a whole lot more. I'm curious, how much more, right? On the one hand, how much more do you think we don't know in a scientific sense what this is? Are we 10% revealed, 20% revealed? If we can, I know it's tough to put a number, but how deep into it? Are we just at the very superficial level of understanding this from a scientific standpoint? And as a secondary piece to that, is is the obstruction or the issue with measuring it because the nature of our perception is embedded into the field itself?

Dr Beverly Rubik 11:34

Well, those are very good questions, all of them. And I want to say that I think we know about this much of the huge energy field of the body. Uh, the I'm raising my little finger, so you get the idea. The whole body is virtually unknown to us energetically. Uh, all we know is this little finger of the energy field, because we've never had this concerted effort. We know that it's largely infrared, and people will say, so what? That's just about heat, you know, and it's not about heat, it's about energy with information. And even if we just had devices that measured all the components energetically, well, we know that it's more than just energy, it's energy that is encoding information. And that information is being read by all the cells in the body. It's the language of the field that is perceived by all of our cells and they respond accordingly. Now we we we don't know that language. Um I know it's analog because we're analog beings, and today we have a great emphasis on digital this and that, right? Digital energy, digital signals. But um, we have to take ourselves back into the analog world to really understand humanity, the energy field, or other living fields, because we're all analog. I I mean, there's an aspect to maybe um a digital, the way a nerve fires. It's either on or off. But that's very different from a computer that is uh counting zeros and ones. I mean, that's what I mean by digital. Something is 100% on or 100% off, like the pulsations out of your cell phone or your router. Um, you know, it's pulsing uh in bursts, uh, and that's very different from life acting continuously in soft wave-like patterns that are analog. Uh, so we have to go back and kind of recover our analog physics and then think about how energy in the analog sense encodes information. And I think it will be rather different from pulsations, which is how the digital world encodes information. It's about pulses of zeros and ones on and off. Analog information would be soft, gentle, almost like music, you know. If you could make the human energy field and and into something you could hear, then it would be like a symphony, I think, especially when you're well. It would be well, it would be everything would be coherent and and harmonic and beautiful. And if you were sick or just unwell in some way, it would be discordant. And depending upon how sick you were, it might be even very discordant. And this reminds me of the voice analysis. This is an example of this where somebody is looking at the energetics of the voice and looking at the beauty of and the harmonics in in our voices as we speak, and is able to, I can't say exactly diagnose, but to really sense somebody who's way off in their discordant, and to help them heal or feel better to move toward wellness by having them tone or listen to frequencies that they're missing in their voice. So that's an interesting application.

Christabel Armsden 15:03

I'm very sort of lit up, as it were, by what you were describing there around the voice and coherence and this definition you have of the biofield as a super regulator. I'd like to return to that in a moment, but just before we move on from the sort of background in the sciences around this, we still seem to be finding ourselves in a looping dialogue or conversation about the existence of this biofield or not. Um, we have pioneers as well, such as Barbara Brennan, NASA scientist in the 80s, and her contribution. What's going on with this apparent, you'll be able to voice it better than me, but what seems to be an apparent resistance within the scientific community and even the healthcare systems around this material? And there seems to be so much promise, even taking a very healthy skepticism. There seems to be so much promise and yet so little interest despite the efforts of of many people. And I I wondered if you could talk to that a little bit from your experience in the in the field.

Dr Beverly Rubik 15:58

Absolutely, yes. And that's a really key question because I must admit, 50 years ago, I had the idea, I'm going to go into this, I'm going to really explore it. I thought we'd be much further along. And you're right, we're not. What happened? Well, we suffer not only financially, uh, being uh from a different paradigm, a different worldview. The dominant worldview in biomedicine and and largely biology today is life is a bag of biomolecules. And even consciousness doesn't matter that much to in conventional science because they really don't know what it is, and they tend to equate it with the brain. And so all they want to do is brain science, brain science, and more brain science, and then they feel they've captured it. But you know, consciousness is much more ethereal, and I don't even agree that it's within the brain. I think that we come into this world um already conscious and just inhabit a body and then learn to uh take care of that body as we grow up. We learn not to touch a hot stove, we learn to eat well, uh, and then we feel better, etc. So um it's very sad to me that we haven't made more progress, but we fight a paradigm clash, we fight a funding problem, which is related to the paradigm clash. And quite frankly, I think there's more, even deeper, more nefarious reasons why biofield has been largely ignored in conventional science. And I'll just say this because I don't know much about it, because I think it's been weaponized by the military-industrial complex. And therefore, it's um beyond academic science. It's not something that those of us openly exploring biofield would ever be privileged to know, and maybe we don't even want to know what they're doing with it. But I think it's logical that they have ways of uh manipulating it. And through the course of my career, I've been contacted by people here and there from all over the world who claim to be targeted by some kind of energy weapon. And they thought that I would know about this. Well, to tell you the truth, I know nothing about it, but it may be so uh that this is so, or are these people uh mental cases? I don't know, and it's impossible for me to really answer that question. I I never pursued any of these, um, but I do think that it's a possibility, and we have to think that uh it's outside of the domain of open science because it's already in the realm of um, shall we say, black operations, which are proprietary and even top secret.

Christabel Armsden 18:52

Returning to that definition of the biofield you mentioned earlier, I'd love if you could dive a little bit deeper for our audience into that. We speak to a lot of practitioners in the field, and they have their own lexicon and language and understanding of how to describe what they're experiencing and working with. But um, you spoke about this idea of the super-regulator, and uh and you just mentioned there the role of consciousness. I'd love to hear you deep dive more into how you see this organizing field of life functioning in an individual.

Dr Beverly Rubik 19:19

Well, I'll give an example from our research because we have looked at some extraordinary healers and people with medical with abilities that are really extraordinary. For example, uh a medical intuitive who uh works as an intuitive. She helps people figure out what's wrong with them when ordinary medical diagnostics uh are not getting a clear picture. They go to her. And so we brought her into the laboratory and we looked at the third eye and its emission. We also studied the palms of her hands, the heart region, and other parts of the body. But what was really interesting is that when she turned on her medical intuition, Intuition, she emitted a lot more light from this place, what's called the third eye or the sixth chakra. And it was, she could turn it on and off, just like you can open and close your physical eyes. And we saw the light go away when she closed her intuition down and come back. The light came back when she opened up and turned on her third eye. So that's an example of how consciousness can shift a very subtle aspect of the energy field. And another case I'll mention is an energy healer who heals with love. So he's not necessarily using hands-on or palming or anything, but sending love. And we particularly we looked at his palms. We didn't see a change there. And we, of course, looked at him at baseline before he turned on energy healing for him. And what he was emitting from was his heart region. And in this case, his heart area, the breastbone region of his chest, emitted 400% more light. We're talking about biophotons, visible light, when he was sending love. That's an extraordinary, uh, highly significant change. And it just shows how consciousness can shift and shift the body energetically, uh, especially in people who have mastered through conscious intention and practice of uh energy healing practices such as meditation, qigung, yoga can help train consciousness to control the energy field. This was known for thousands of years by the ancient cultures. And uh it seems to be true uh from the work in science that we can see this when people are really uh not only gifted, but have worked at it, they have mastered because they have tried over and over again to do something and to do it better. Then they have control, and that's the well-regulated uh person who's conscious and aware and working on this connection between the mind and the body, and so uh different types of healing do this differently. There are people who uh shoot energy from the palms of their hands, and they're working with their own field of energy. There are people like Reiki who draw on the universal life energy, which is cosmically available, and they channel that through their hands or through intention to heal a person or a sick animal, etc. So uh there are different styles of healing, and we cannot generalize about them, just like there are different styles of meditation, and in all those different meditations, the brain waves are really pretty different, there's no generalization, and the same is true of energy healing and different types of yoga. So there are really are many, many ways that this can manifest. And again, uh, I don't think we've studied all the ways, again, for the lack of funding, and that that's a very sad thing. It would be nice to really delineate the various types of healing and uh mind-body exercises and how they impact the biofield.

Keith Parker 23:21

Well, as you said, there's a a massive amount of money that would need to go into this research to really be able to take a big step forward, given that we're only at the the pinky level, the superficial level of understanding this, and maybe the emergent technologies of today or in the coming decades might actually start to create the opportunity to measure the field more accurately, more deeply. Who knows? Maybe even maybe even AI has something to do with developing technologies to um measure this field more accurately. I don't know, but I was curious about this kind of um complex word or an interesting concept, uh, the idea of non-locality. And I'm wondering if you would talk a little bit about how the field reveals the property of non-locality and how that might help our understanding of how something like distance healing might work.

Dr Beverly Rubik 24:17

Yes, and I think this is more the realm of consciousness being non-local than the energy field of the human. Uh, because energy is typically local, but consciousness has properties of non-locality. So people do things like remote viewing, they can sit in a closed room with an experimenter, and they have somebody else go out with another human subject to experience something. The person sitting in the closed room has no idea where the outbound subject is with the experimenter, but they can somehow perceive it remotely. This is an aspect of the non-locality of mind. And there is Reiki that's done also across the distance, uh, distant healing, we often call it, or non-local healing. Uh, it's done through intent, will, and prayer, largely. And I don't know that it involves energy in the usual sense. It may involve a manipulation of cosmic qi of this at the site of the, let's say, the target sick person or animal, uh, rather than um the use of one's own energy field. So this is done through conscious intention, manipulating the cosmic qi or the energy field of the sick person remotely. And we know very little about non-local healing, actually. There have been studies on it documenting it, but it's not as they're not as robust as local healing. And maybe there's a reason for that. I think it's it's harder for people to believe in that, for one. It's maybe harder to train it, but um it's a lot easier to think when somebody is with you and putting their hands near you, or uh that you're in the same room together that something's going to happen energetically. So, but it it has been documented well enough, indicating that this truly exists, and we have non-local aspects of mind, uh, which is fascinating, I think. Um, again, I think people need to explore this and experience it and work at perfecting it if they really want to be non-local healers. But I think um, and there were plenty of studies on prayer. I remember back in um the early 90s when HIV and AIDS was uh a health problem, a growing, what seemed to be a growing health problem. And my colleague Elizabeth Um Targ, uh young woman, she did a wonderful study on prayer and AIDS patients, and they didn't even know which group didn't know who was prayed for or not. So they kept them blind. And the the group that was prayed for uh did better in their various outcomes, their immune cell count, etc. And so that was a really maverick study. Uh, there's been other studies on prayer, I'm just not aware of them all at this moment, but uh and there was even an argument within at the NIH whether the US National Institutes of Health should even fund work like that because it smells of religion. And in the United States, we have the separation of church and state. So it became problematic to do this kind of work uh and get funding from the government for it, sadly. Uh, I mean, it could be seen as an affirmation of it, it doesn't have to be seen as a kind of religion, just a human power. But of course, uh, wherever you can, people will argue against these things who want to stamp out any spiritual element within science. And that's been another, I would say, long historical battle of 400 years uh between the Christian church and the beginning of science. And maybe that's why we still have this ongoing uh uh difficulty between science and spirit, despite the fact that there are certainly scientists like myself who are spiritual beings and who would like to see more interaction between those things, because humanity is our spiritual beings too, and we shouldn't uh ignore it in our science. We should be exploring it.

Christabel Armsden 28:46

And here, Dr. Bevel, you seem to be describing um one of the most persistent challenges that we can see in biofield research, which is bridging experiential wisdom, healers, meditator, somatic practitioners, ancient traditions, the power of faith, intention, all this sort of compelling crossover material with um with empirical science and how these communities are often siloed and how difficult it is to have interaction, dialogue, and see what's happening at the boundaries of disciplines. You've explored frontier topics like biophoton communication, non-material signaling in your work. It's very interesting to hear you talk about how, with a focus on energy healing in particular, we bring an awareness to our interconnectivity. I'm also interested in the conversation around just everyday lived life and experience, right? What is it that your research and understanding tells you about how we're all hyperconnected, interconnected, even when we remove the sort of um the modality, if you will, of energy healing, just around how that affects and impacts day-to-day life and communication?

Dr Beverly Rubik 29:56

So far, I talked about the biofield like it's a property of an individual. And I think there is a certain truth to that, but beyond that, biofields interact, and there are no boundaries to biofields. We can think about ourselves like low-level stars emitting light and glowing with one another. And you know the power of going to see, for example, a guru. It isn't just the guru up there and a crowd, it's everybody's in a special state of consciousness expecting something, a miracle to happen, or something better at least, a higher vibration, to work their way through their energy field and to give them a taste of enlightenment or some bliss, uh, a feeling of transcending uh their usual ordinary selves. And so collectively, biofuels interact and we can raise one another's vibration. And I think the opposite can occur too. And this may be what happens during a riot or an uh, you know, an aggression, insurrections. Uh, people get carried away by negative things going on around them, and they engage in similar behavior, and the whole crowd kind of degrades or spirals downhill. And so we we can be mindful of um biofield interactions, but that hasn't been well studied, I must say. Um, but I think that they exist, and and we know in our ordinary lives we've all experienced things like this. And people going into a movie theater who are watching the same movie are are often going through the same emotions. And maybe it's strengthened when we go into a movie theater instead of watching it alone uh on Netflix at our own computer, uh, that there's power to being in a group. And I think we really missed it. And I I know how I felt during the COVID era when we were on lockdowns and also unable to come within six feet of one another. There were there were rulings like this all over the world because it was really a globalist agenda being promulgated, and people missed the closeness and not only the contact, uh, the touching of one another or the kissing, but uh the beingness of the biofield was missing when we just get on Zoom conferences together or a telephone. It isn't the same at all. Um, people experience something special coming together physically, energetically, and I'm not talking about sex, just groups. And sex is another matter, and of course, it's even more uh refined and uh wonderful. But the power of the group and uh people of like mind or exploring novel things together, uh trying to get answers and collaborating happens so much better when we're in the same place and the biofield information can flow. We've all experienced this, I know. And so don't think of your biofield as an isolated energy uh field, because it's fully integrated with that of others and also of the earth's fields. The earth has fields that are very closely related to some of our ground state of consciousness. For example, eight to ten hertz, eight to ten waves per second, uh is one of the Schumann resonant frequencies, and so is the ground state of being conscious and having your eyes open. Because when you sleep and close your eyes, you go to lower frequencies, uh like delta waves, about four hertz. So not talking and not thinking, just uh just being in the ground state of awareness. You are eight to ten hertz, you are in sync with planet earth, and so that's another influence on our own biofield, the biofields of the earth. We can think about the earth as a living thing too, and when the earth has an earthquake, it's sort of like an epileptic seizure compared to a human. I mean, we can think about uh the Gaia principle, the living earth and and all the things going on, and how some people are aware of it. I became a kind of an earthquake predictor in my life. I live in earthquake country, but even traveling once, I felt a little weird. And I was in Italy, and within a few minutes, a quake happened. Fortunately, I walked out of this cafe, which was full of glass on shelves, because it was a big earthquake and glass was falling. And I remember the large earthquake of 1989 in San Francisco, and I was driving and about to get on the Bay Bridge that goes from San Francisco to Oakland across the bay, and something told me not to do that. And I was in a one-way street, and I made a U-turn on a one-way street to get away from that bridge. Then the earthquake happened five minutes later, and I didn't know it was an earthquake. All I know is that I felt like I had four flat tires, and then turning on my car radio, I heard that it was a quake, and that part of that bridge that I would have been on had collapsed. I avoided that bridge by sensing somehow in my conscious field or my biofield not to drive toward that bridge, to drive away. And it saved me potentially because people died uh as they drowned in the bay. Their cars just went in. So I I remember that well, and um it's a good thing to be aware of earth energy with with your own biofield or your conscious mind, it can be helpful. Which brings me to another thing that I would like to mention, and I and that is the influence of microwaves, because we live, as I said earlier, in a sea of increasing magnitude of digital wireless communications, which are microwaves pulsing on and off in a very unnatural way. There's nothing in nature. In fact, microwaves are practically non-existent on planet Earth before we had wireless technology. And now we have increased the background. You just walk through downtown of any major city in the US and probably most of the world, and you've got things that are billions, if not trillions, of times above the natural background. And we have to ask the question what's that doing to our biofield as well as our consciousness? And I've been working on that problem because it's one of those problems that has been ignored by conventional science who thinks that it's all about getting enough microwaves that would literally cook your tissue, and anything less than that is not a problem. And that's the conventional view, but it's false. There are many, many papers showing adverse biological effects from microwaves, not only on the biofield, but on the physiology and the biochemistry, and on mental tasks, on concentration, on sleep, on just about every aspect of your physiology. And yet people are getting exposed more and more and more uh to these fields. And it really concerns me because we have an escalation with 5G, with the Internet of Things, and they're not stopping with 5G, they're going on to 6G. And 6G will include the Internet of Bodies. They want to put people on the internet, and might you might say, well, what is that gonna benefit them? Well, they might say maybe you'll have some increased powers, you know. But what about your natural powers? What's it gonna do to them? Uh we don't know, but hey, it's an experiment, and we're gonna try it on five billion people or whatever. So watch out. I am very concerned that we're delving into areas that we don't fully understand the ramifications for life on earth, let alone humanity. So um we have to be concerned about things like Bluetooth devices. People are using these things to study themselves, to explore their own meditative things, you know. They plop on some device on their head or their heart, and it emits Bluetooth to their cell phones, they're collecting data, but they're exposed to the Bluetooth radiation, which is also microwaves. And what's that doing to their state, which they're when they're trying to develop uh, let's say better meditations or more concentration or more head-heart coherence? Nobody people are just brushing that aside that it may be having an effect. That concerns me because those effects have not really been documented. And yet I'm sure they're they're doing things which are not healthy.

Keith Parker 39:11

Given the scenario that you're describing, I can just kind of see this. Like I'm imagining like uh a healthy biofield, right, that has all these subtle streams of information and frequency flowing through it, and then we have these little blips of microwave information coming in and out of the field, kind of disrupting the flow of information in some way. And as you said, not particularly well studied, but studied enough to know there's some things to be, you know, intelligent and even concerned about. What do you uh suggest as general best practices? What do you do to mitigate this kind of interaction that seems somewhat inevitable if we're going to participate in the t changing technological landscape of modernity?

Dr Beverly Rubik 39:54

Yes, uh, and I'm not giving up wireless, but I have everything wired that I can. And that would mean fiber optics into the premises, into your home or your workplace or your school, and then use Ethernet cords, the old Ethernet that brought us DSL uh some decades ago, actually. But those Ethernet cords carry everything on wires. And the only thing wireless that I own is a cell phone. And generally it's kept on airplane mode unless I'm taking a look at who called me, who texted me. And I don't use it to pay my bills. I don't use it for email. I use it for as a phone and for texting and a few apps. I want to know about uh the weather and things like that. But I don't make a habit of using a wireless device when I can use my wired computer frequently. Uh and I know when you're out and about, you don't have that luxury. So I do use my wireless thing then. But um another thing to practice would be earthing. That's very helpful in grounding the body when you've been exposed to microwaves or any kind of electromagnetic pollution from technologies, is to go barefoot, not on concrete, but on Mother Earth, on grass, on sand, on soil. And uh, or you can try these earthing shoes. I don't think they're as good as going wholly barefoot, but for those tender toes, uh, it's better than nothing. Uh, because getting earth is getting in touch with Mother Earth, and that's restoring a biofield connection with the earth.

Christabel Armsden 41:35

What does a a healthy biofield look and feel like to you, Dr. Bavalici thing? Just to extrapolate on, we can see where things might interfere, interrupt, but I'm curious about we have this idea of healing, uh, we might say coming into wholeness. Um, and maybe this is a challenging question for a scientist to answer, but I appreciate if it's uh a case of um extrapolating or being a little bit with the imagination or projection. But what might a healthy, coherent biofield look like from the from the scientific viewpoint of the languaging of the scientific paradigm around this?

Dr Beverly Rubik 42:12

Well, we have some instruments that measure it. For example, there's Biowell, and that's spelled B-I-O-W-E-L-L. Biowell.com is a camera from Russia that measures, for example, the fingertip light emissions and generalizes from that about the entire biofield. And I can look at somebody's composite biofield made from these 10-finger photographs of the biofield. And I'm looking for symmetry, left-right symmetry and up-down symmetry. I'm looking for uh breaks in the biofield. And for example, when someone is stressed, they have a rather feathered biofield. It looks like lightning bolts instead of smooth. And you know, we know from Oriental Medicine that it's a healthy energy field is not about a huge stockpiling of energy, it's about the smooth, unimpeded flow of qi. And I've looked at a lot of really top-notch qigung masters and uh other rather famous yogis in my time who could do amazing stunts. And I can tell you that their biofields were not necessarily gigantic, but they were robust, they were uh using the bio well, they were smooth, and they were according to their consciousness, so they could shift it by will. Because one guy um, well, he was doing a stunt, and this is Master 2, a long time ago, at a conference in San Francisco, an international conference on Qigung. He he decided to show the world that he could pull a truck with his male organs, and he tied silk scarves around his male organs and then a rope onto that and to the bumper of a truck. And then he said, Everybody get in the truck. He's doing this out in public. And so lots of people got in that truck and we're eager to see how he's gonna do this. Before he started this exercise, he beat himself with wire whisks in the abdomen and the what's called the lower dantien, to simulate that part of his body to have an enormous qi field. And I measured him before he did this exercise. He was way asymmetric, you know. The qi was robbed from the head and the heart, and it was big in that lower dantien, the abdomen, which would be involved in pulling this truck. And he was able to do this, and everybody was amazed. And after that, I looked at him again with my instrumentation. He looked terribly depleted, but he got restored, and you know how he did it? He did, after he did the most young thing, he said, like pulling a truck with your male organs, he said, I gotta also balance my yin-yang. So he said, I said, How do you do that? He said, I walk barefoot on eggs, on chicken eggs, and he had several cartons of chicken eggs. He's walking barefoot on them, and they're not breaking. He's now absorbing through his feet. Uh, so the yin goes up through the meridians on the insides of the legs. He's restoring his qi um after that big yang event. Um, and he did look balanced after that, after 20 minutes of walking on eggs or just stepping on eggs. So it just shows you what uh that that's an example of extraordinary um control. But most of us aren't totally symmetric in the biofield, as seen with biowell. And people who are stressed and even tell me, oh, I can hold my cell phone up my ear all day. I have no problem. Energetically, they don't look good. They look like this feathered energy field with holes in it, and that means they're much more vulnerable to external influences. And then the real electrosensitives who say, I don't even want a cell phone, I can't stand these things, I can't sleep, I have pain. Their biofuels just crumble when they're near wireless, and I've measured that too. So healthy biofields are not as common as they used to be because of our environment. Lots of stress in our lives from all kinds of sources. Uh, the world is, it seems, going through a lot of uh stress pains at this time, wars and uh climate change, maybe, and other things. And uh it's um it's a very stressful time, and people are showing that in their biofield. So it's a good time to get centered, do earthing, um, think about positive things, realizing that you are the divine embodiment uh of the creator in some ways, and work on that aspect of yourselves to gain strength and uh resilience in this world.

Keith Parker 47:11

Thank you, Dr. Beverly. I must make note that that is an entirely new definition of the term walking on eggshells.

Dr Beverly Rubik 47:19

You're right. Well, they were whole eggs and they didn't break. And later we tested them. Yes, they were, and we could crack one and see it's really a chicken egg. Uh, and he didn't break them. He could walk very gingerly on these eggs. And I mean, he was a man, he must have weighed 150 pounds. I mean, 75 kilograms or more. Clearly. Um, you know, he wasn't a puny guy. Um, and yet he could do this. I don't think I could stand on eggs without breaking them, but I haven't tried. Anyway, that's a challenge for all of us.

Keith Parker 47:56

So as we kind of bring things full circle or to a close in this conversation, we'd like to check in with guests about what they see in the future. So maybe I'm wondering, on the one hand, is there something you'd like to share in terms of what you're working on, what you're passionate about at the moment that moves you into the future? Or alternatively, just because we've talked a lot about where is the research lacking, like is there a kind of an area of research or like funding that would go to a particular aspect of biofield research that you would really, really love to see leaned into because you think it'd make a difference? Like anything resonate with you in that question?

Dr Beverly Rubik 48:35

Well, yes, because I'm working on the 5G and the wireless problem um and our biofields, I'd love some funding, and I would love to do it collaboratively with others to um explore real solutions so that we can have these wireless devices and we strengthen our biofields. We make them even more resilient so we can withstand the wireless environment that we've created. So I think that would make us healthier as well, because when you see all these holes in the biofield from stress, whether it's electromagnetic stress or other stressors in our lives, uh, you realize that people are much more vulnerable when they have holes in the biofield. So I want to be able to strengthen the biofield and maybe even change the wireless, the pattern of the wireless radiation in a more positive way so we can survive and thrive. And I need funding to do that. And the other thing I recently got at my laboratory that I'll be exploring, I have a giant Faraday cage. A Faraday cage is a way to exclude all fields around us. So it really is a neutral place without any uh fields from technology. So I want to see what happens to people who go in there, especially the electrosensitives, but even those who say, I can hold that cell phone near my ear all day and it's not a problem. What happens to them when I put them in that Faraday cage and they they go in there, say, for a day and even sleep in there? What how do they feel and how do they score on concentration tests and things? So I want to explore the biofield uh in relationship to the technological fields in which we're embedded and to try to help people uh strengthen their biofields, become more resilient, and overcome the problems that we have from this electromagnetic stressor. That's not going away anytime soon. It's only going to get worse. My laboratory is a nonprofit. In the United States, we call it a 501c3 nonprofit. That means it's a charity. And that means for anybody who pays taxes in the United States, they can get a tax deduction for making donations to the Institute for Frontier Science. And our website is frontiersciences.org. So I hope that you'll uh my website isn't really up to date, but nonetheless, we really could use some new funders. We've had some pass away, they were quite old. And I'm looking for, especially young blood to come along and even work with me as well. I I could use some mentors, uh, excuse me, I'd like to mentor some younger folks at my age. I'd like to get some younger scientists to come. And I need funding to pay these folks. Uh, you know, they're in their careers already as scientists. So that's part of my call. It's nothing for money in my pocket, it's to keep uh the lights on and the experiments coming and a younger generation to learn what I know and carry the work forward. Thanks, Dr.

Christabel Armsden 51:47

Babley. As you said, it's something so important about understanding how we can work with what's work with what's arising and what is happening and the development in the world in a way that's you know positive and forward-facing. So really appreciate your intentions there. We'll make sure to include any references in the show notes. And um, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today, to share a little of your extensive experience. And uh it's fantastic to hear how dynamic you still are in this field and um looking forward to learning more as your work progresses.

Dr Beverly Rubik 52:17

Thank you. It's been my pleasure.