[321] - Your host on Radio 3AW - Talk Back Radio 11-12-2025

We unpack how light shapes sleep, mood, and performance, then connect it to the real strain on shift workers and police. Practical tools for anxiety, pain, and late-night routines give listeners immediate steps while we challenge how systems value frontline health.

• why daylight calibrates circadian rhythm and melatonin
• hidden harms of indoor LEDs, screens, and blue-heavy light
• day lenses versus full blue blockers and when to use each
• simple morning light habit to anchor your clock
• breathing drills to cut anxiety and aid sleep onset
• SAD, winter mood dips, and getting outside even on cloudy days
• policing attrition, burnout, and the cost of lost experience
• funding gaps and why retention beats recruitment alone
• night driving exposure and safer post-shift wind-downs
• pen and paper by the bed, phone out of reach

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Chapters

• 4:46 Meet Roger And The Blue Light Setup
• 5:57 How Daylight Sets Your Body Clock
• 8:46 Indoor Light, Screens, And Health Risks
• 10:18 Blue-Free Displays And Melatonin Disruption
• 12:30 Shift Work, SAD, And Morning Light Tips
• 13:26 Policing Crisis: Attrition And Fatigue
• 18:23 What Keeps You Awake At Night
• 22:31 Breathing To Calm Anxiety And Sleep
• 25:10 Pain, Loneliness, And Radio As Comfort
• 28:35 Funding Gaps And Frontline Burnout
• 30:16 Night Driving, Blue Light, And Lenses
• 33:29 Valuing Essential Workers And Next Steps

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 3:11

Come and be part of the programme of Stradio Overnight, 5A in Adelaide, 6VO in 38 Radio Network, 3AW here in Melbourne, in 54321. Say hello to Roger. Interesting. Uh now he sits in the same uh area or the same platform, if you like, as Carol Lee Cats and Butters on a Friday morning. Uh Carol Lee, Carol Lee, say hello to Roger. Roger, say hello to Carol Lee. Carolie's not here, but she will be listening. Roger, good morning.

SPEAKER_01: 3:47

Love the section with Carol uh Carol Lee. She's fantastic. I listen to it podcasted every single week. It is my favourite listener, and I want to say thanks to Carol Lee for the shout-out. And here's one back. Yeah, that was very kind.

SPEAKER_02: 4:00

And it's lovely to have you in the uh studio wearing. I should uh share with the audience across Australia uh this amazing pair of glasses. Gotta get myself a pair of this. Now just explain.

SPEAKER_01: 4:14

Okay, so as people know, people that watch me overnight, those that watch on the cameras, can see that I generally wear the blue light blocking glasses. Yeah. Um, but the problem that I have is I wear a prescription lens, and my blue light blocking glasses are not a prescription lens. So while I'm talking to you, it's fine, but I can't see the screen. I ordered six weeks ago from Block Blue Light a pair of day lenses. So that's the brand Block. Block Blue Light is the name of the brand. Blue Light. Yeah, they're out of Deremt in um Victoria. And um I ordered the prescription lens. Now, this is a yellow-coloured day lens. Now, what this lens does is it doesn't block blue light, it just blocks the high-energy visible. Right for the blue light.

SPEAKER_02: 5:02

For those that might be joining us just for the first time, explain again, if you will, briefly the idea of the blue light, particularly when you're working overnight, uh, why they can be uh a little problematic.

SPEAKER_01: 5:12

Okay, so we as humans are diurnal and we have a biological clock which runs daytime and nighttime. It is incredibly important for us to actually anchor that clock with daylight and in particular with the blue spectrum of 480 nanometers of blue light in the which we generally get during the day. And it's no coincidence, it's the colour of blue sky, it's the same colour blue as that. Now, as we're looking at light outside, we are actually seeing a spectrum of blue in that. But there's also infrared, there's green, there's ultraviolet, and the infrared is that heat that we actually feel on our um skin. So that's why daylight is so healthy for us. Now we spend nearly 80% of our life now inside, indoors, under artificial light. Is it that high? 80%. Is it? Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 6:10

And it's people that are in a home, they're in an office, uh away from, as you would say, I think, natural light, if you like.

SPEAKER_01: 6:18

We don't get enough natural light in our lives. People are on devices and they're looking at screens on devices, they're looking at computer screens. A lot of people working from home too now, Tony. So what we do, and of course, this is going to become a bigger problem. Through COVID, a lot of the mental health issues and a lot of the problems that we had through COVID and people gaining weight was not going outside. People were not getting outside and getting that light. Now, this light has a huge impact on everything. It has an impact on diet, has an impact on our mental health, has an impact on um biological function. Uh, a lot of people really get um mental health problems because of their not getting outside in that daylight. It is incredibly important that we get the green as well as the blue, as well as the red, as well as the ultraviolet. Daylight is incredibly healthy for us. Even on an overcast day, daylight is incredibly healthy. Now, while we're inside and we've got these overhead lights and these blue screens that we're looking at, there's no infrared in those. And that's poor.

SPEAKER_02: 7:22

And but the this this work environment which you won't are in now, I mean, we're surrounded by a lot of screens, it's the nature of the beast.

SPEAKER_08: 7:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 7:29

And I don't know that that's ever going to be reversed. No. Unlikely it would ever be reversed. But who knows what the next 10, 20, 30, or 40 years might be. But it's unlikely it would be reversed. But you say I've got whilst I've got the house lights, as it were, pretty well dimmed, there's still a hell of a lot of light.

SPEAKER_01: 7:45

A lot of blue light. Blue light, right? Now, unfortunately for 3RW, the branding is blue, right? So we're in the studio here and we've got screens which have got blue light. But I can tell you this, there is a company in the US, there's a few companies now that have actually developed screens that have a zero blue in them. So you can actually be healthily looking at these screens, right? The company's called Chorus, people can look them up, um, and they are developing lighting as well as screens. So these monitors that we're looking at here can be replaced with chorus monitors and chorus, the chorus monitor actually um is healthy for people to look at and use. Up close. Up close or how well.

SPEAKER_02: 8:28

What if you're watching a big TV screen, for example, you've got your Sony, you've got your Samsung, whatever it is, your TCO, whatever it might be. Yep. I mean, there are zillions of those there out in the market, but people are using those each and every day at home.

SPEAKER_01: 8:39

And they're damaging our health because what they're doing is they are confusing our circadian clock. And if we look at the people that are having trouble with sleep, now a lot of people say, Oh no, I don't have any trouble with sleep because I can go to sleep after looking at my device. And the research shows us categorically that you can actually look at devices before you go to sleep because it doesn't impact on you going to sleep, on what we call sleep latency. But it does disrupt our circadian rhythm. And in even more, what's more diabolical is it inhibits the actual production of melatonin. Now, melatonin is our sleep hormone, but it actually signals darkness to our body, and melatonin is also our free radical eradicator. So while melatonin is elevated in our bloodstream, it's actually attacking and eradicating cancer cells in our in our bloodstream. And this is why we have such high incidences of cancer in shift workers.

SPEAKER_02: 9:37

Uh there's so much to work cover off. We'll get to calls in just a moment. Those that are waiting, one double three, six, nine, three, anything you would like to raise on the programme. I should point out for those that don't may not know, uh Roger is founder of A Healthy Shift. A veteran, a veteran law enforcement officer. How many years? Forty years. Uh these days, Roger helps shift workers uh not just get through their uh shifts but actually thrive by doing so. It's all about coaching, it's enjoying outside life and work. Uh so for example, uh, I did about an hour and a half uh outside in the garden. Beautiful, the lawn's gorgeous, uh, shirt off baby, uh, and the sun was shining, and I feel better for it.

SPEAKER_01: 10:16

Now I just want to make a point on that. How much better do we feel in the summer? Because we're outside a lot more than we are in the year.

SPEAKER_02: 10:22

Yeah, well a lot of people would then understand that for sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 10:24

Now and that's why and feel miserable in winter. You know when we say you got the SADs? Have you got the SADs? And people get what we call SAD in the winter time, which is seasonal affective disorder. It's insufficient, blue, and the spectrum of light. No one's outside. There's snow up on their couch watching TV because it's cold outside. If there's one tip that I would give every single person that's listening to this program, everyone, no matter where you are, within 30 minutes of getting up, get outside. Just get your coffee and sit on your back doorstep and get that daylight and anchor your circadian rhythm to that particular point so that it knows exactly where you're at in time and space.

SPEAKER_02: 11:06

When we come back, we're going to talk about uh some of these stats uh working in frontline police. It's really quite staggering. You may have seen a piece of the Queensland papers uh the talk about uh officers that are quitting, and this is not just about Queensland, it's right around Australia. It's very similar themes. Uh sick leave for uh officers around Australia, the cost of that, uh how many new and where the recruits are coming from. That's going to look in the next five to ten because this program is inundated morning after morning after morning after morning. Uh and the expression now is they need to do more.

SPEAKER_01: 11:39

Yeah, everyone wants the police. They need to do more. They want the police to be doing more. One of the biggest problems that we have at the moment is, and and the figures that are out of Queensland are are horrific, and they've been obtained by the the Courier, and that is Courier Mail. Yeah. The Courier Mail. Um the 709 officers quit in the last financial year out of Queensland. Um over the last five years, they've lost almost 3,000 members. Three. 3,000 in five years. Now you've got to remember, they all have to be replaced, and they all have to be trained, and they have to be educated into how to go about the experience that they would have lost was massive.

SPEAKER_02: 12:16

That's the thing, like zillions of years of combined experience. And that's the real issue. We'll do this when we come back. Uh, your calls come and join us. 133693. In Melbourne, right now, I should tell you, uh, just over 12 degrees, that high of 22. Uh Perth, gorgeous afternoon over there, late after late evening, rather, 25 degrees and uh top coming your way, 31 degrees for your Thursday morning. And Adelaide, hello. Uh 17 degrees with a top today, 32 degrees, mainly sunny in your beautiful city. Uh, it is Australia overnight. I'm Tony McManus, more with Roger Sutherland, the other side of this. And when you're in through the first voice you hear, it is young Anne Jackson who is working the other side of the glow. It's a good man, he is. He's a legend. Uh one double four well, not yet, he's not a legend. He's working towards becoming one. I got him listening to the cue, though. Well, for that alone, you should be credited. He should get brownie points for that. Yes. Uh he got him. He got them listening back to the cure.

SPEAKER_01: 13:13

And he wasn't excited. He was. But was he listening to the cure for the first time? I told him two weeks ago, and he listened to it on the way in tonight. He knew my name was on the list and he went, Oh I've better listen to the cure.

SPEAKER_02: 13:24

What am I gonna do? Uh there you go. That's very funny. 133693. And here's the question that we want you to ask. What is answer? What is the one thing if there is such a beast? Yep. What is the one thing that keeps you awake at night? One thing that keeps you awake at night. 133693.

SPEAKER_01: 13:43

Is it worry? Is it stress? Is it temperature? Is it is it just your body clock just seems to wake up at some time? Everybody has that some issue that keeps them awake. So what is it? I want to know what it is that keeps you awake, and I'll help you to solve that.

SPEAKER_02: 13:55

I spoke to a uh nurse. Well, she still works a nurse, semi-retired, I guess, that does about one night a week. So it's still a commitment. And that and even is it's part of the conversation. She didn't really know who I was uh and talking about it, but I then shared a bit later on, and she's aha, that makes a lot of sense. Uh, because that one night, the the disruption that that is to the flow of the week is still as um not intimidating, it's still i the same impact as if you were doing three or four nights a week of uh overnight work as a nurse. Forty plus years, by the way.

SPEAKER_01: 14:29

Okay, so I I've I did shift work for 40 years, right? I haven't done shift work. Well, I've been coming into this studio once a fortnight for the last two years, right? And I come in on this night, so how do I go about this shift here tonight? So, what I do, I was awake at 6 a.m. this morning because I yesterday morning, as in Wednesday morning, I got up at 6 a.m. I get up at that time every day, I get my daylight, I get my have my sit outside with my coffee, it tells my body it's daytime, it's go time. I go through the whole day. I have a nap for about an hour and a half in the evening. So before I came into the show, I went to bed for an hour and a half. But you wouldn't have a nap late afternoon, no early afternoon if you weren't joining me at twelve o'clock. No. Okay, right. No, no, I wouldn't normally. But because I know I'm coming in tonight, I go to bed at the same time I would normally go to bed, right? So, and you're gonna laugh, but 8 30, 9 o'clock, because that's me. That's just what I do. So nine o'clock, I'm go to bed and I have an hour and a half. We sleep in 90 minute cycles. It's important for people to understand that we sleep in 90 minute cycles, so I wake myself up after a 90-minute cycle. I come out of that really well, so therefore, I then come in, do the show. I do block the blue light while I'm here so that my body doesn't realise that it's like. Then I drive home and I go straight back to bed and I go straight back to sleep, but I will be up in the morning at 6 a.m. again. Right. So I will actually, Melissa's working in the morning and her alarm will go off at 5. I will listen to your last half an hour of the show, even though I've been home and slept. I'll still listen to the last half an hour of the show.

SPEAKER_02: 16:09

Now, one of the one of the things that often comes up in this little segment, as I'm pursued, is that the people many people right across Australia that are listening will often say we listen all morning or we listen to uh quite a bit of the program uh because I I don't sleep well.

SPEAKER_01: 16:26

And a lot of that is because they're listening to the program. Well, we want them to. Of course we do.

SPEAKER_02: 16:33

I understand that. Otherwise the program doesn't exist, it would sound like this. Which would be really awkward. We don't want. Nothing. I sleep with one eye, one eye open, ready for combat. Well, that's another clearly uh Tony. You keep me uh uh thank you. Let's take a couple of quick calls. Now, Chris, you wanted to say good morning.

SPEAKER_00: 16:58

Uh yeah, uh hello, Roger. Hello, Chris. I've been trying to live a lot of food at the last week, but I've made it on it. Sure, there's a lot of people on hold and a lot of problems. I think it's better than a rush free calls. And therefore, uh it doesn't help me with my existence of anxiety and I was just gonna say it gives you gives you anxiety.

SPEAKER_01: 19:10

Yeah, and and this is very common, Tony, as well. A lot of people that struggle with sleep, they start to get anxiety about sleep, and so what happens is that anxiety then starts to impact on sleep and it just becomes a vicious circle. You've got to break into that anxiety. Do you want a tip? Yeah, please. Okay. Lie on your back, put one hand on your navel in bed. You're in bed and you're looking to go to sleep. Put one hand on your navel.

SPEAKER_02: 19:34

We're all doing this together. So imagine that you're lying down on your back.

SPEAKER_01: 19:37

On your back in bed, right? Calm, ready for sleep. On your pyjami top. One hand on your navel. I want you to breathe through and go. Doesn't make any difference. It's just tactile. It's the reason why we put a hand on our navel is because it's tactile and it forces us to breathe down into it, right? So put your hand on your navel and breathe down through your nose. Now we're breathing in through our nose for a count of four. And then we're not holding. And then we're breathing out like we're going to blow out air through a straw. Oh. For as long as you can do that for. To you uh almost empty the lung and beyond that, perhaps. Yes. Beyond because what we want to do is we want to exhale all of the oxygen out of our lung, and then we breathe back in through the nose for four. You'll only go about six cycles, you'll be gone. This is what um marines do.

SPEAKER_02: 21:51

Right. Uh, lots of texts, we'll get to them in just a moment. Chris, I thank you. Uh Justin, good morning.

SPEAKER_04: 21:56

You wanted to say good morning, guys. Um, yes, I just wanted to say I've been diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and um last couple of days or weeks, uh, my my depression has got pretty bad. Um, I've been taken off my um medication. I'm just wondering if there's any tips you can give me.

SPEAKER_01: 22:18

Uh Justin, can I tell you I don't know what it is at the moment, but my depression and anxiety has been horrendous for the last few weeks. Because I have do you know what's driving the I don't know what's driven it, but I it's been very, very difficult. Now, a lot of people could say it's a lunar cycle, it could be anything. I don't know what it is, but um, I've really suffered. But Justin, can I just give you that advice? What I said about that breathing is informing your nervous system that you are actually safe, and by doing that, will literally help you to calm down. So whenever you start feeling yourself work getting worked up and you feel yourself getting anxious, like you're coming onto the radio, you know, to talk to us now, just breathe in through your nose for four seconds into your hand and your stomach, and then breathe out like you're breathing out through a straw for a count of eight. You will literally feel your body calming because you are informing your nervous system that you are safe.

SPEAKER_02: 23:15

Uh good on you, Coba. Uh Justin, you look after yourself, keep in touch. Darrell, morning.

SPEAKER_06: 23:21

Good morning. I think I've got the perfect antidote for not being able to sleep because every time I get into bed with my wife, she says, I'm asleep. So I think I'm the perfect antidote.

SPEAKER_01: 23:32

There you go. Perfect. And I'm the same. And this is a male thing. Women go to bed, and this is a classic, right? There's two things men, women. I get into bed, I'm out like a light. Yeah. Are you the same, Tony? Uh, pretty quickly. Yep. I'm out like a light. Very, very quickly. Women are very different. Females are different. They go to bed, and what they want to do is they then want to have a committee meeting. They do no. No, it's true. They can't say that. Yeah. Women will admit it. I've got clients that will tell you they get to bed and that's when they want to have the committee meeting. Now, the problem is men are not holding space for their women at that time because the man's gone to sleep. Now it's not say it's it's actual fact. That's what they do. It's true. And I'm not being critical of women per se. It is scientifically proven that women want to have a committee meeting at that time of the night. That's when their head becomes active.

SPEAKER_02: 24:25

Uh I usually put in uh an earbud.

SPEAKER_01: 24:30

So you can't hear the committee meeting?

SPEAKER_02: 24:32

So I'm not listening to the committee meeting. So then the in anywhere in anywhere of the shared house. The so and I I'm gone within and I'm usually listening to something boring. Well, it is. It's really boring. It's dull. Yeah. Um, do you know of uh there's And it within within three, you know, two, three, four, I'm gone.

SPEAKER_01: 24:55

Happily gone. I I'll have to on the next show I'll bring in these new AI sleep buds that I've got that are made by Oslo Sleep. They are unbelievable. You put them in and you're listening to like an audio book, and it's it registers when you've gone to sleep and it just goes across the white noise. And if you are sleeping with a snorer, it uh it hears that and it elevates the noise cancelling until the snoring stops and then it drops the noise cancelling out. Really? I am not kidding.

SPEAKER_02: 25:23

Are they new to the market?

SPEAKER_01: 25:24

Yep. So they're monitoring somebody else next to you who might be snoring. The case is actually monitoring the room, and as the noise comes up in the room, so it elevates the noise cancelling in the in the through the earbuds, and then as the noise dies in the room, so it reduces the noise cancelling in the buds. How much? 400.

SPEAKER_02: 25:43

133693. At the moment. Committee meeting. Committee meeting, you say. Uh G'day, Tony Mac and Roger. Uh liking the programs. Uh, please tell Roger Boston making Come on more than once a fortnight, says David. Let's negotiate that.

SPEAKER_01: 25:58

Let's negotiate that. Negotiable.

SPEAKER_02: 25:59

You are negotiable. All right. 133693. We'll get a couple of these texts before we go, because I want to talk to you about uh some of these trends with uh law enforcement as well. Uh things that break my sleep, says David Morning, aren't always the big dramas. It could be something like a Bill, Bill's the inbox, uh, the ache in the knee that you swear wasn't there yesterday. Yep. Yes, isn't that a great line? It's a great it'd be a song, I reckon. The ache in your knee and you swear it wasn't there yesterday. Uh or the whispering doubt that was forgotten of someone's Christmas present. Maybe the news cycle. Uh I've been told that the news cycle can be really impactful too, particularly at this current time post-COVID and post.

SPEAKER_01: 26:40

Yep. Subconsciously, all this is going in all the time and it's rattling around in our brain.

SPEAKER_02: 26:45

Yeah, or the dog deciding it's three o'clock in the morning is perfect and looking for some introspection. It might even be my own brain. Have a listen to this. Replaying a conversation from 1998. But in the quiet hours you realise you are still here, still trying, still hoping tomorrow lands a little bit softer, and somehow all of that helps.

SPEAKER_01: 27:06

That's a great text. I love that. Wonderful. Um the the text from David, the one about the big dramas, um, it's not the big dramas, it's the little things that occur, and this is literally what gets people in a mess. So what I um what I would suggest for you, David, is that breath work at some stage, even if it's a four-four, the box breathing, four in, hold for four, four out, um, and then hole for four. And the reason being is because your brain has to focus on the counting, it lets go of all of the other things, and then you go to sleep. So, because your brain is focusing on the counting and your breathing. Um, it when we're subconsciously breathing, we are focusing on other thoughts and we're not focusing on our breathing. On the breathing. If you reverse that, it can make a massive difference to you. The other tip, pen and paper by the bed, you will be amazed at the difference that a small pad and a pen by your bed. As soon as something comes into your mind, write it down, put it down, it's out of your mind. For some reason the body lets it go, off you go.

SPEAKER_02: 28:05

And I've heard Ross Stevenson on 3AW in the Bricky program on uh A dub talking about the idea of uh not having the phone that close or having it away from the makes a difference, he reckons, in terms of how he sleeps.

SPEAKER_01: 28:16

Yep, yep, because subconsciously you're aware it's right there and you can look at it, but if it's not there, then i it's amazing the impacts that our day-to-day life has on us without realizing.

SPEAKER_02: 28:28

Uh let's talk about some of the issues facing uh officers, uh shift workers' officers all around Australia. But let's talk about police for the moment because that's your uh that's your history of 40 plus years. Uh that report, as you said earlier, the Courier Mail, uh, 709 officers. Uh they said that's it, we're done in the last financial year. Yep. 2,832 left the service in the last five years. I mean, you lose all that experience.

SPEAKER_01: 28:55

Yeah. Now the thing is as well, um this is not unique to Queensland police, so let's make that clear as well. West Australia, South Australia, and Victoria Police have probably got bigger problems. I know we've heard Wayne Gatts speak on this program here. He's our uh the police association uh secretary or the president of the street. Um Wayne has said that uh we have like 2,000 unfilled positions in VicPol. We've got 1,300, about 1,200 to 1,300 unfilled positions, and they've also got seven or eight hundred people on work cover, on long-term work cover. Now that means you've got two thousand unfilled positions. Now, Victoria Police has sixteen thousand sworn members. That means that nearly twelve and a half percent of your force are off and not working. How can you function like that? And you can't. And I will say this, and I I will be very clear with all of these policing organizations, that fatigue and burnout does not wait for a budget allocation. And you have to find the money to look after the people that you've still got. And I'll tell you why, because they are your recruiters, and while they're leaving, what they are actually doing is sending a message to people, why would I want to do that?

SPEAKER_02: 30:16

Yeah, well, and uh I've got to jump in and probably say just to be the uh devil for a moment, uh, there ain't no money in the tin, my friend. And therein lies part of the problem, which obviously not the uh it's not the pol it's not uh Vic pol's issue, but the reality is there's not the money there, and so a government who would normally be able to supply those sorts of funds are not in a position to do that, the debt is horrendous.

SPEAKER_01: 30:39

I but I would argue as well that you cannot be spending money on the things that you're spending money on while your health and law enforcement are in so much trouble at the moment. And I I would argue I'll stand, I'll die on this hill, that you can't be building and doing these other things while your health is on its knees and buckle. If only people realise just how horrendous the nursing situation is, how horrendous the policing situation is. The reason why we don't see the police out and about patrolling and doing those jobs, they're just rushing from one to the next, is because there aren't any.

SPEAKER_02: 31:12

Yeah. Uh come and tell us about your asleep pattern, 133693. Have you managed it over the years? Have you got a little trick that you'd like to share with uh us? Yours truly, Tony McManus, Roger Sutherland, Australia Overnight. Jenny Milgrove, good morning.

SPEAKER_03: 31:26

Hi, Tony and Roger, how are you?

SPEAKER_01: 31:29

Morning, Jenny.

SPEAKER_03: 31:30

Good. Um, I don't sleep very well because I have a lot of severe pain.

SPEAKER_01: 31:36

Pain? That's a problem. That is a massive problem. And that will be serious.

SPEAKER_02: 31:41

There are many too, Jen.

SPEAKER_01: 31:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 31:44

Yeah, I have arthritis really, really bad um knees with arthritis. And they probably can't operate because I'm high risk because of everything else I've got.

SPEAKER_01: 31:55

That's no good at all. Can I ask you a question, Jenny? Do you have a committee meeting when you go to sleep? When you go to bed? Is that when all the thoughts come?

SPEAKER_03: 32:05

Well, I listen to the radio all night because I'm totally on my own now. I've lost all my slaves ones.

SPEAKER_01: 32:12

I'm sorry to hear that. But what I say is true, isn't it? A lot of women, when they go to bed, that that's their shutdown time, but that's the time when all of a sudden they start thinking about everything else ready for the day. Um am I off the mark here or am I right?

SPEAKER_03: 32:26

You're right. Now I think about my late partner and my friend going, and so I have the radio going to stop my brain from going.

SPEAKER_01: 32:35

That's right. It's distracting for you. It gives you something to focus on. It's it's terrible that that happens, but how good is it you got us to listen to?

SPEAKER_03: 32:43

Absolutely. Absolutely. It takes me a couple of hours, then I get to sleep, and then I'll wake up in the morning and there's no pain, and then I'll stand up and all over again.

SPEAKER_01: 32:52

That's terrible. It that's awful. Are you able to get outside? Can I can I say, are you able to get outside, um, Jenny? Yep. Do you get outside and sit in sit and I I mean this with the utmost sincerity. Are you able to get outside and sit outside during the day for periods of time?

SPEAKER_03: 33:12

When I'm home, yes, I can. I do. I go out and sit at the front, out the front, and just get my vitamin D.

SPEAKER_01: 33:18

Beautifully done. That's exactly what I was saying. Because that vitamin D is your happy hormone, and that's what's going to help you, and it's also going to do so much good to those bones, that vitamin D.

SPEAKER_02: 33:30

Uh, Jen, you look after yourself, and it's good to know you're there, Jenny. Anything we can do, a call in from time to time, you'd always be welcome, Jenny.

SPEAKER_01: 33:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 33:38

Thank you. Okay. See ya.

SPEAKER_02: 33:40

Thank you for being part of it. Uh Nathan, we'll come to you in just a moment. Uh, Tony Mack and Roger, if you ask anyone what's the most important thing in the world to them, they will give one of two answers: family andor health, not necessarily in that order. Taxpayers rightfully expect money prioritised on uh health systems, law and order, not over budget, extended period, union-dominated big bills.

SPEAKER_01: 34:02

Yeah, Rob's on the money. He is absolutely on the money there. Do you know how frustrating the police are finding it that there's no money for anything? I I recently had three applications in for Victoria Place to run health and well-being seminars to help support the staff that they've actually got. Now, this is what my forte is, right? I I educate from lift experience. I can walk in there, I can stand there, speak their language, talk to them, and say, This is how we deal with this, this is how we cope with it, this is the strategies that we put in place, this is what's going on, this is what and they were all knocked back, no money.

SPEAKER_02: 34:40

So what about uh and no doubt you've had a pretty close look at that uh uh uh uh police uh departments around the world, in the United States, in the UK, in France, yes, are they all facing similar issues?

SPEAKER_01: 34:51

The UK are on their knees. On their knees. Absolutely on their knees. The UK. Um and and the other thing is, and you'll know, West Australia actively recruit in the UK, actively recruit, and in fact, half of the the uh West Australian police are from the UK are from the UK. Yeah, and in fact, Victoria Plus on their social media today advertise that they've got a bobby there now as well that's been working there. And I can tell you they are the recruiting is desperate in all of these policing agencies, and they are pushing so hard in recruiting that they're overseas, they're they're all inclusive with everything, they're bringing people in, they're using everything that they can possibly do, but they're not looking after the people that are.

SPEAKER_02: 35:34

Is it too long a bow then, Raj, to sort of say that that would link into uh the baddies, let's call them the baddies, the uh boneheads that want to be inclined or possibly inclined to do the wrong thing. Yeah, well would they play out on that? Would they aware of the weaknesses inside police forces?

SPEAKER_01: 35:55

Yeah, th they would read it really easily that there's there's not only is there not the police around, but not only that, but they would read the apathy of the police that are there now because they are burnt out. They are done. You've got to remember, every time someone resigns, it puts pressure on the people that are left. Every time that someone goes sick, there is pressure on the people that are left. All the time we have more and more pressure. And this pressure is building, it's not getting relieved. And they will spin doctor it and tell you that they're recruiting, but that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02: 36:27

Uh 103693. For those that are waiting, we'll come to you in just a moment, wherever you are, right across Australia. 3AW here in Melbourne, uh 5AA in Adelaide, uh 6PR in Perth, and the Ace Radio Network Australia Overnight. Good morning. I wish you could stay here all morning, Roger. Uh look at the calls in the uh text. Uh, this is a lovely text from didn't say just uh ends in 323. There's no name attached to you. Good day, Tony Mac and Roger. Just want to say the last caller, uh Jenny, uh absolutely correct. Listening to the program cheers us up. This is Australia Overnight, of course. No matter how old, where we are, and what we're going through, it's distracting.

SPEAKER_01: 37:04

And it's ideal. And that's the beauty of Talk Back Radio.

SPEAKER_02: 37:07

Yeah, it's great. And and it's a it's a privilege to sit in this chair. And look, and I don't know uh how long one can sit in this chair, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01: 37:17

It's still a privilege, everyone.

SPEAKER_02: 37:19

It is a privilege. Uh so I've over two years now. I didn't think I'd last two months, to be honest. Uh, but over two years, and look, if I get another uh couple of years, I'd be really pleased. If it goes a little longer than that, so be it. Uh there are many who want who want to get rid of me. I've got their names, I've got their text numbers, so I can call them and negotiate.

SPEAKER_01: 37:40

We we we dial them from the non-recorded phone later on when they're gone to sleep.

SPEAKER_02: 37:44

Danny, good morning, yeah. Danny, which part? You're driving, obviously.

SPEAKER_07: 37:49

Um just on the road, sorry, yeah. But I'll pull over and that's um quick question for you, Roger. Yes, Danny. Hi, Danny. Um we talk about blue lines. Yes, yeah, because I'm looking I've just reached the age of 50 recently. So I'm past half a century. And with the dashboard lights, the truck lights and the high-level LEDs now and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08: 38:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_07: 38:22

Like trying to get when I finish my shift in in a few hours, for example, what should I do for the probably the first hour before because I've been exposed to a lot of these blue because like I said, there's obviously blue light coming from the dashboard and things like that as well, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 38:37

Yes, that's right. There is, but what I would be doing, the glasses that I'm wearing at the moment that you can't see because we're on the radio, but I'm wearing a day lens. Now you could wear that day lens because what it would actually do is would block what we call the high-energy visible light, which is between 400 and 455 nanometers. It's and you know, we need to block all the blue at night, but you can't drive and wear blue light blockers because it makes everything look really funky. Like the green is iridescent and it makes it look really, really interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 39:09

So if a kangarooci runs out in front of a big truck, i i are those glasses going to be able to still predict if that's a kangaroo. Yeah, no worries.

SPEAKER_01: 39:16

The glasses these day lenses, it still affords you with some protection and it's still protecting your eyes from the high energy visible light from the dashboards. But you will have noticed it too, Danny, now how bright headlights are, and they're they're low voltage, so that they're actually got that real, real blue in them. There's no red, there's no nothing in them at all. So they're they're extremely unhealthy coming at you. Um, and you're exposed to that. Now, your question, what should I do for the last hour? Once you knock off, I would be wearing blue light blockers. I I would be driving. No, no. I said once he's knocked off, once he's not driving anymore, I'd be wearing the blue light blockers, which is the orange lens that blocks all blue.

SPEAKER_02: 39:58

So where do you f where do you find this material? How do you order it?

SPEAKER_01: 40:00

On my website. On my website, but you don't go to Spec Savers for it. No. Oh well that's the point that people are confused about. Yep. No. Okay. No, because these lights, they they don't actually sell uh Specsavers and and Bailey Nelson and all of those don't actually they put a blocking film, but they're not the right colour. And they need to be that orange to block the full blue light. It's more a day lens that they're giving you, which is just taking out a bit of that high energy.

SPEAKER_02: 40:27

Maybe you should be talking about the bigger one. No. Maybe you should be talking to Mr. Coles, Mr. Garrett about having those products on their shelves.

SPEAKER_01: 40:37

Well, that's well, they they do need to be doing this, and there needs to be a lot more of it. You need to be very careful what you buy as well, because you can't just jump on Amazon and get some form of of a cheap, you know, like I can get one of those for ten dollars because they're ten dollars worth of lens.

SPEAKER_02: 40:52

And you only ever get what you pay for.

SPEAKER_01: 40:53

Uh Danny, uh, does that sort of help a little bit? It does. So go to your website, Roger. Yeah, ahealthyshift.com. And up the top is a menu item which says resources, and if you go down there, there's recommended products, and I've got a recommender products page of everything that I've tested and used and highly recommend, and they're on there.

SPEAKER_07: 41:14

Okay, and you put Roger twenty ten percent off for cheaper than I would take.

SPEAKER_01: 41:19

If you if you click if you click the if you click the links from there, uh you'll find that I've got my codes that are there as well for these discount codes spread all the way through. And if you're thinking about doing it, do it now while the Black Friday sales are still running, and now it's the Christmas sales, which are the same sales as Black Friday.

SPEAKER_02: 41:37

Danny, I've got a fly, but good to talk to you. Drive safely, Danny. Yeah, have a good Christmas, guys, and I'll see you to your new year. Thanks, Danny. Stay safe. Good, mate. Thank you. Uh Pete Port Melbourne. Uh, hope your phone's working okay. Say hello to Roger.

SPEAKER_05: 41:49

Roger, good morning, uh Tony. Good morning.

SPEAKER_02: 41:52

Morning, Peter.

SPEAKER_05: 41:52

Um, I've been um I've been driving a truck for eleven years on night shift. I do 55 to 60 hours a week. Well now. Uh what you compare to should be paid. And then uh I do my job to feed the family. Yep, I do the extra hours, I'll do the I do the hard work, I don't feel things like that. You can't keep on complaining that these jobs are too hard. We uh we need we need uh ambulances, we need versus we need all that. Well, I think the value we don't value at something at the high range.

SPEAKER_02: 42:46

Yeah, it's a very good point. You've got a dodgy line, I'm but I'm gonna promise you in a new year, I'm gonna buy you a brand new phone. The the point about that, and he makes a good point about the value that we place on uh people like officers, uh like ambos, like nurses, because without them our lives would be absolutely kangaroo, Edwards.

SPEAKER_01: 43:06

I I can tell you we are actually sacrificing the health of our front line at the moment. We're sacrificing the health to to ride on trains. Why aren't the authorities aware that that's the case? Why don't they uh why are they aware of that? For some reason they don't value it. And I was having a communication I had a conversation with Olivia Walsh that we spoke to on the show here from ArcaShift. And she was talking about we were talking about it today.

SPEAKER_02: 43:30

They don't value if the Commission of the Great and you have great regard for the uh I have massive regard for Mike Bush. I do. You could whisper in Michael's ear.

SPEAKER_01: 43:39

I'd love to sit down with Mike Bush and discuss a strategy moving forward with health.

SPEAKER_02: 43:44

We'll organise it. I've written it down. This is fantastic. This is a quote from Roger Sutherland, and you can write this down too. Uh we don't have necessarily a cost of living crisis.

SPEAKER_01: 43:53

What we have is a government spending crisis. A cost of cost of government crisis.

SPEAKER_02: 43:58

A cost of government crisis. That is fantastic. Not a cost of living crisis, a cost of government spending crisis.

SPEAKER_01: 44:07

They're spending like drunken stylers, and it's our money, and we're in debt.

SPEAKER_02: 44:12

It's our money, Ralph. It's always to you.

SPEAKER_01: 44:16

And it's up to you too have space journey to you.

SPEAKER_02: 44:19

Thank you. Will you be part of uh this program next year? I would love to do it. Will I be part of this program next week?