Ben sits down with Emeritus Professor Beverley Oliver. Beverley was Deputy Vice-Chancellor Education and Alfred Deakin Professor at Deakin until December 2018 and led Deakin's ambitious Student Learning and Experience strategy. She was the Deputy Chair of Universities Australia’s Deputy Vice-Chancellors (Academic) and Deputy Chair of the Board of EduGrowth, a not-for-profit Australian acceleration network for high-growth, scalable, borderless education. She currently works as a higher education consultant and continues to research, publish and present on topics such as digital education, micro-credentials, curriculum transformation, quality assurance and graduate employability.