What’s Next? Shaping the future of veterinary medicine (Dr. Andrew Findlaytor)

In this episode of Vet Life Reimagined, Dr. Andrew Findlaytor joins the podcast to talk about what’s next for veterinary medicine — not in theory, but in real action. Andrew has lived in nearly every corner of the profession, from general practice and emergency medicine to research, relief work across 100+ hospitals, and leadership within one of the most recognized relief platforms in vet med. Now he’s building for the future through Vetsie, an AI-powered clinical support tool, and Pawsible Ventures, which helps launch new veterinary-founded solutions.

Andrew shares what he’s learned from an unconventional, curiosity-driven career path and how mindset, experimentation, and willingness to ask better questions can lead to big opportunities. This episode is equal parts innovation, career strategy, and practical insight for anyone who believes veterinary medicine can evolve for the better.

Resources:

• Episode on YouTube
• Vetsie AI website
• Pawsible Ventures website
• Vetsie Linkedin
  Vetsie Instagram
  Vetsie FaceBook

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Transcript

Andrew Findlaytor: [00:00:00] You can really set your own story. If you set your mind to something, you don't have to listen. When people say you can't do this, you essentially have to be old to be successful.

Megan Sprinkle: Welcome to Vet Life Reimagined! As we near the end of the year and get to our episode about the year ahead in Vet Med, we have some episodes of people in the profession who are shaping what the future of veterinary medicine is going to look like, and they're doing it right. Now, last week we spoke with Dr. Eve Hanks of my RNA, and today's guest is absolutely another one of those individuals, Dr.

Andrew Findlaytor. Andrew once swore he would never become a veterinarian, but his dad dropped him off as a teenager to shadow a veterinary practice. And there was an intense Bulldog C-section that changed everything. Since then, he's lived a wide range of veterinary experiences, all with a goal to solve interesting challenges and make the profession better.

He's worked in general practice emergency research relief across nearly a hundred hospitals, and eventually helped [00:01:00] scale RU one of the most influential relief platforms in Vet Med. Now he's channeling all of that experience into building tools and. companies for the next era of our profession, including Vetsie, an AI powered clinical resource designed to support vets in realtime decision making and client communication and Pawsible ventures, an incubator for veterinary entrepreneurs.

Andrew's career path is a great example of possibilities in veterinary medicine, but make sure you catch how he thinks. Curious, determined, not afraid to ask questions and try new things, even when people say it's not possible. So let's get to the conversation with Dr. Andrew Findlaytor

Welcome, Andrew to Vet Life Reimagined. Super excited to have you on the podcast. We've known each other for a little while. It's just taken us this long to actually do an in an interview with you. But one of the places that I love to start with people is when did you know you were interested in veterinary medicine?

And you told me because [00:02:00] I, I kind of teed you up, to this question that. When you were young, , you thought that all they did was play with puppies and kittens and so veterinarians was not exactly what you had in your mind. You had something else, but let us know a little bit about your childhood and what you thought about vet med.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, I love it. You're like one of five people in the world who know my, my secret origin store as it was. So, yes. Uh, growing up, uh, I loved animals. I wanted to be a marine biologist and take photos of underwater animals, basically like make Blue Planet on Discover before it existed. The number one thing I promised I would never be was a veterinarian, because I thought as a know-it-all, 12-year-old boy, all 12-year-old boys, I feel like are, know-it-alls, that veterinarians just like you said, played with puppies and kittens, gave your dog vaccines, put up thermometer in your dog's butt, which I was like, that's kind of weird.

And just, I, I thought it was a very simple job. And I told my dad, mom, like, I'm gonna be a man of science. I'm gonna change the world for animals. my dad who loves me was like, Hey, if you go take pictures of fish underwater, I think you're [00:03:00] gonna live at home forever. And that's not okay. So, uh, I got dropped off at my local veterinary office.

They were great. That's where I took my dog when I was 16. And that very first day, Megan, there was this Bulldog C-section. There was placenta everywhere. Everyone came out good, but there was like eight puppies, which, you know, for a bulldog is a lot. So they're like, we need you help resuscitating and clearing nasal passages.

We were giving atropine and from that moment on, like I was 100% head over heels sold. I could think of nothing else other than being a vet because I realized like, wow. These are the ultimate doctors. They do everything for all species. And so, from that day on, that clinic couldn't get rid of me. I started volunteering, got a job there.

And that's how my, amazing story in vet med started was being a know-it-all and getting covered in c-section fun.

Megan Sprinkle: Well put. , I did wanna highlight. , Your dad for a second. 'cause you also told me that you're first generation immigrant family, so, you know, I think our parents have a, a big impact on us, uh, in our start. Do you mind sharing a little bit about , [00:04:00] your parents and maybe some of the things that you learned from them that you took forward?

Andrew Findlaytor: Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm, very thankful. I've got, , two amazing parents. They always love me and did good. My mom and dad met in the Air Force. My dad moved to the US from Jamaica when he was 12, give or take. Grew up on the rough side of New York, jumped into the air force, that's where I met my mom. Uh, my dad obviously being Jamaican is quite dark skin complexion. My mom is a five foot nothing Italian woman. And so we make the joke like my mama wore combat boots. They worked on the flight deck and again. Really was raised well. We always had this mindset that whatever we do, we should be building for the betterment of people.

We wanna make a difference. And also we should always try to own or build businesses. My dad always told me like being, there's nothing wrong with being an employee. But there's nothing quite as satisfying as looking at something and being like, you made this like you made a difference. And so I always had that draw to try to build and own something, to kind of leave my mark as a know-it-all 17-year-old, much different than a know-it-all 12-year-old.

I was like, I'm gonna own. Not one, but two veterinary [00:05:00] hospitals. And in doing so, I'll change the world for my community, and that's still a goal of mine. Honestly. We've talked about this before, Megan, like there's still a big part of me that's like, yeah, about one day I'll still own a clinic, but as I got older and saw more of the world, I was like, well, how could I help even more people if I could see twenty appointments a day at a veterinary hospital. How could I help? 200, 2000, whatever it may be. So they, I credit them a lot with setting me off on a good path of, Hey, work hard, figure out how you wanna make a difference and then go at it 110% percent.

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah, and I, I love the phrase, I wrote it down that you said is if you wanna make a difference in the world, be a leader. And I think that can look like a lot of different things as well. But being a leader is. An opportunity to really make a difference in a lot of different ways. I love that. Now, another thing that you said, , that you noticed when you were young and it didn't seem to deter you at least too much, was that you, you said that there was an old school vet who kept talking about burnout when it came to vet Med.

Do you mind sharing a little bit about like [00:06:00] how you interacted with that? Did you keep that in mind as you went forward? , Did that impact you at all?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, I actually just got to talk about this at the lecture. I was just giving too a little bit, but from a different angle. So again, that, that veterinarian that I had the c-section expedition with, we'll say, I kept going there. It was two old school veterinarians, really great guys, and I credit them so much with setting me on the right medical path.

They gave me a lot of great hands-on training. A lot of. When I told 'em I wanted to go to vet school, they kind of cautioned me. They're like, you know, Andrew, a lot of vets are kind of burnt out. We have terrible work-life balance, terrible hours. Like, it's just, it's a lot of work. , There's easier paths in life. And although I appreciated their warning and I know their warning was well intended, they could clearly see how much I love vet med, and to be clear, they both still to this day love vet me. They retired like 10 years ago and I still see them posting on Facebook, check out this thing I just did. So like, uh, they very much love the profession, but it kind of made me scratch my head and get excited and be like, well, everywhere I look, all the vets and techs and everyone in this field that I know is really smart, hardworking, and [00:07:00] passionate. Surely if there's problems that are causing these, burn this burnout, we can fix them again, we, we can do it. I have that can do attitude. Um, so yeah, that, that's what really sparked my interest of being like, well, there's a lot of ways we can help pets. I wonder how we could help the profession, how we could help vets and techs and pets altogether. Um, so that, that was again, a, could have been a speed bump in my life, but really turned into a motivator for every project that I jumped on from there. How.

Megan Sprinkle: Well, I'm glad you took that perspective and, and maybe it opened it up to, you know, not only are, you know, can we do really cool things with the animals, but there's like that people component that maybe it, it seemed to plant maybe a little bit too as there, there's an opportunity, to do a lot of good in the world for.

People and, and pets maybe, or animals in general.

Andrew Findlaytor: It's true. And again, I give them credit to, to other things too. There's just something to be said for kind of cranky old guys. Like yeah, they can sometimes be hard to work with, but man, they drop these nuggets of truth sometimes. I was just lecturing earlier today about ai [00:08:00] and the doctor won't say his name to like, 'cause he is a very shy guy, but the doctor used to never let use a calculator.

He'd be like, Andrew, we're giving Clavamox this dog. , The dose is 13.75 mgs per kg and it's an eight kilogram dog. What's the dosage? and he always made us do it in our head and finally asked him like, okay, are you just trying to make me feel dumb? Like why are you doing this? And he was like, well, you need to understand what, what the answer should be. 'cause the calculator's gonna tell you exactly what you put into it. So if I'm doing 13.75 times eight, but I accidentally pushed like times two or whatever, the calculator's gonna tell me a number. If I don't know any better, I'm not gonna catch that. So again, little nuggets of truth that I gave me, which is like. Be comfortable understanding the logic of what you're trying to do, and then use technology to make it faster. After I proved I could do it, then I could use a calculator, but it made it a lot easier to be like, oh, I caught a sig fig error. I added one too many decimals because mentally I was trying to think about where I'm going and then double

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah, thank you. So you did, you, you went to uc, Davis and, and as I [00:09:00] say, a little bit of a lifer. You, you did undergrad and, and then stuck around for vet school afterwards. Um. And one thing that I noticed, just like looking at your LinkedIn is you did a lot of different research, like you are a research assistant, you did several different internships around research.

I know you also said you, in your head you had practice ownership in mind, but was this an also an intriguing area of vet med that you were exploring or what, what intrigued you?

Andrew Findlaytor: for, for a little while I was almost will say, all in on research, and again, it's that core thing of solving problems and building new paths forward. Being a leader in the industry as it were. So in the beginning I didn't know too much about research, but then as I started to work around Davis, there's plenty of opportunities to jump into research.

I picked it up even in undergrad as a summer job, and then I started to learn like, wow, we're pushing the forefront of known science of medicine. Like, that's so exciting. We're working on chronologically categorizing every single gene. A mouse has to know like, Hey, [00:10:00] these genes are related to Alzheimer and these genes are related to Cushings, and how could that apply to people? Then we started working on goats, and it's like we're working on regrowing, hylan, articular cartilage and goats, which I mean, Megan, you know, like that's the cartilage. You can't grow back. If we could do that, if. We could defeat arthritis forever. For people. For animals. So that's, and I get excited talking about it now.

That's the kind of stuff that gets me so excited where I'm like, what if we, or how might we like, change the world by fixing this disease? So that, that's what really led me to research. I went so far that I actually got selected for a lab animal residency. Like, I was gonna go that route, but, and this is what I encourage new grads with.

It's important to try things. It's important to find out what you can do, not just what you like. As much as I love the cool research, I lived in a basement for like years at a time with no windows. Very few people, all the people who I worked with were very nice, but like the deepest of introverts. And so after a while I was like, I, I remember because I was working at MIT, I went in entire month, Megan, without seeing the sun because I went to [00:11:00] work before the sun came up.

I was four stories underground. I came home after the sun went down and I was just like. I can't do it. I love that. This is cool. I can't be a researcher. I need people, I need sunlight. I need the ability to be bubbly in myself. And the lab mice just don't appreciate the bubbly personality as much as some vets and techs do.

So I still think research is cool and anytime I get to work or collaborate on a project that has a research wing, I get giddy. , But yes, that's what brought me back up to the surface. We'll say. 

Megan Sprinkle: Oh, , but I guess does that also, well, no, no. Let me back up. 'cause you're going through vet school and 'cause I, I like this about you as one.

You're not afraid to. Try things, but you also do a little bit of like calculated research too. Like before you just like jump into something and you're really good at asking questions and like, being observant and, and looking at other people in these situations. , And I kind of caught that, , as you were about to graduate, you said a lot of people said, well, if you're gonna be [00:12:00] your, your best self or your best vet, you have to do an internship.

And so you said you were kind of watching the class ahead of you as they were going out into the world and then asking them after internships and didn't quite like that picture. So what was your, perspective of, thinking about an internship and, and maybe your next step.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, so for better or worse, my parents will tell you I was hard to parent. Uh, as a leader, it's my job to try to think outside the box and not assume, just 'cause everyone took this path, that it really is the best path. so again, getting towards graduation, I had research. I had general practice, I had er, I had just all these exciting things.

And so, I don't mind being honest and saying I wanna be happy in life. Happy can take a lot of different forms, but if someone's really happy, I'm usually like, well, whatcha doing? What's got you so chipper? , So I continued to, to network and talk to, even when I was like a second year, people who are graduating, doing internships. And I, as much as I love and I'm proud of Davis, they're a very internship focused school. They're very much like the best thing you could ever do with your life is [00:13:00] do an internship and then a residency. Maybe two or three residencies. There's a lot of triple boarded people cruising around there.

But as I continue to talk to people who did internships, I noticed a concerning pattern. Megan, a lot of them were burnt out, miserable. Some would try to put on a brave face and be like, Hey, I'm exhausted. I've been working six or seven days a week, and my life sucks, but I'm sure I'm learning things. And that always caught my eye too. It wasn't, yes, I'm learning a lot of things. It was. I'm sure I'm right. Like they told me, I'm learning a lot of things. I'm, I'm sure this will pay off. that was enough to make me be like, you know, I, don't actually know that I need to do an internship if I don't wanna do a residency, which at that point I was leaning towards "No." The most important thing is for me to have good clinical skills, good communication skills, but I bet, and that was the risk I was willing to take, that I can get that a lot of different ways. Um, and so I, I lean towards an internship or not doing an internship. I didn't do one. And again, I don't mind being honest. A lot of my classmates did internships and a good chunk of them, Megan dropped out midyear because they were like, [00:14:00] this sucks, this is miserable. I feel like I'm just working and not gaining the skill sets I wanted. And I was able to text 'em, be like, not bad out here. Like, you can get mentors. You don't have to do a formal internship for 30 grand a year, uh, all the time.

So.

Megan Sprinkle: And it does sound like you kind of took that approach as like, I, I can kind of make this So, you started in a general practice, , and , you mentioned they also had, , a good dental practice with it too. . But then also, , 'cause you're a little bit of an overachiever, I think you, you were working four days a week and you're like, Hmm, is there something else?

So what was your thought process there?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, exactly like you said. So it's always like, well, here's the box. How can I think outside of it without being too crazy? So the goal of an internship is increased training. You wanna see a lot of cases. You wanna have good mentorship and you wanna work a lot because repetition builds confidence. And so I was like, well, I bet you I can kind of make my own internship.

So I found a full-time job at a great hospital. They were a general practice. They had mentorship in [00:15:00] place, um, but they also had a fully dedicated dentistry ring with like board certified dentists. I don't mind raising my hand and saying I sucked in vet school at dentistry. Like you wouldn't think tooth would be, teeth would be that complicated, but for whatever reason it just didn't click and I don't like having weakness.

It bothers me a lot. So I was, for me personally, other people can have it, but I don't want any. So I was like, well, let's go get good at dentistry, Andrew. So I took a job, like you said there full-time four days a week. after just four or five months, actually, probably a little bit before that, I kinda was like, you know. This is easier than vet school is. I mean, vet school is really hard work. Four days a week, like nine to five, nine to six is pretty cush. I could probably push myself a bit harder and learn more, so I started poking around. I reached out to my mentor and I was like, Hey, I kind of wanna learn emergency. Do you recommend I. I wait two years and get good at gp he gave me very good advice. He's like, Andrew Learning ER is stressful. It's new, it's uncomfortable. You're already stressed out, new and uncomfortable as a new grad, you may as well just embrace it all and do it all at [00:16:00] once. I see a lot of people who say they're gonna learn ER two or three years later.

They get comfortable and then they never do. And I was like, you're right. That makes a lot of sense. So I reached out to my local er. Told 'em about my experience. I was a tech for six years already. I wanna learn. They were like, well, you seem the guy's name. Great guy. Another old guy as it were, but a great guy, Mike Johnson.

He was like, well, you seem kind of competent. We could probably keep an eye on you. So yeah, we'll start having you work shifts. So, , I started working one and two days a week there to eventually get up to six days a week. , But instead of feeling burnt out, Megan, I felt so energized, so excited. During my GP shifts, I was learning GP work and I could talk to my mentors on a regular basis. That ER at the time had 22 doctors, so I had plenty of veterinary mentors there, right, to talk me through cases. In my first six months out of graduating, I was doing GDVs, splenectomies, learning how to do splints and even some orthopedic like fracture repair and stuff like that. No TPLOs, but like orthopedic repairs. It just was such a big year, and so as I'm texting my intern mates who are doing their internship, they're like. I haven't done a C-section or a GDV, I haven't done any of [00:17:00] that stuff. Like I'm just triaging and soaping and everything else. So I feel really proud that I had a really good internship-like year.

I pushed myself. I learned a lot. I got paid well because I had one and a half jobs basically. And then at the end of that year, I felt confident and excited about the profession rather than tired, trying to figure out how I was gonna recover after all of that, as it were 

Megan Sprinkle: So at the end of the year, you said, I mean, you felt good, you felt like you've learned a lot. But it also, like the way you said it is almost like, okay, I've learned now. Now what?

Andrew Findlaytor: Now what?

Megan Sprinkle: So what was the, the now what?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah. So again, at this point I was like, okay, I'm not doing research, still figuring out my life. Still am to this day. But I was like, all right, I still kind of wanna own a practice, but I'd noticed something. I'd worked at my practice as a tech. They were very unique. Then I took my full-time GP job. That was night and day difference, both good, but I was like, these practices run very different.

And then my ER was run different as well. And so I had this light bulb moment and I was like, wow, I worked at three different practices. They're all different. I wonder what else I can learn. Every practice has its own [00:18:00] strengths and weaknesses. What other management skills can I learn by adventuring? And then the other thing was at that point I was like, it's time to buy a practice. Buying practices is hard. This was in the height of VCA, just buying everybody, everybody getting bought. So I was like, maybe I can network and find someone who wants to sell to me, or at least get the word out there. So that's when I was like, I'm gonna go hospital to hospital. And Mike Johnson at the time was like, again, great guy.

He's like, what you're doing is called relief. Because I was like, have you ever heard of this, Mike? Like, has anyone ever considered like being a traveling vet? And he looked at me like I was a talking goose. And he was like, yeah, it's called relief. You would be good at it. Relief. Cool. Never heard of that, but let's go do it.

So, uh, that's what led me on my quest to go do relief. I did that for some time, and again, that's why I have worked at almost a hundred different hospitals. It wasn't just, I wanna be random. It's how many different hospital types can I see? How many different kinds of leaders and teams and structures. Can I get under my belt so that I can really be this guy who can solve problems in [00:19:00] vet med by seeing all the problems I can.

So that, that's what led me to the world of relief and I have plenty of adventure stories I could tell ya.

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah. Well, and I, I think you started around 2016 and remind me , I mean, , you hadn't heard of relief, , Mike did, but was this like really common in 2016, because I wanna say it, it didn't really get super common until maybe a little bit later. Were you kind of early to it?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, I was, I was definitely early to it. It didn't get popular until like 2019. We'll say, give or take. I don't know why. And there's also a story of encouragement too. I really like, again, for better or worse, I really like proving naysayers wrong, respectfully, nicely but wrong. Again, there are people who told me, if you don't do an internship, Andrew, you'll never be a, not even a competent doctor, like a confident doctor.

He'll always be kind of shaky and unconfident. I proved I, I could do it without that. Then I had some people well intended tell me, you know, before you do relief, Andrew, 'cause you won't have a support structure, you'll need to have five or seven years experience. Like you [00:20:00] can't do relief with one year of experience. And I was like, I'm pretty sure I can. So I built a WhatsApp group and you know, I, I met you not too long after with like our little business club. I basically built support communities to be like, Hey, we're all grads or new gradish. Like let's have an area where we can talk to each other and answer questions.

I jumped on VIN, but that was another fun thing for relief is proving like you can really set your own story. If you set your mind to something, you don't have to listen when people say you can't do this, you have to be old to be successful. 

Megan Sprinkle: and you said you had a lot of stories you could probably pull from this time and, and hopefully we can pull one, but you mentioned how we met and how we met was actually in a non veterinary business interest group, that we got together. So ,

how did you find them? That kind of thing.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, so I was the, the co-founder of that along with my friend David. David was a friend of mine from undergrad. He went to Davis as well. We both had jobs. He worked in biotech. I'm a vet obviously, but we both had this side interest where we're like, man, there's more to the world. There's like [00:21:00] stock and public speaking.

I don't know anything about this LinkedIn thing. Um, and we're like, well, why don't we just put together a group? We'll take turns like once a month. Every six weeks someone can do research in a presentation on it. GIB stands for growth income business. And the idea is it's just like, yeah, we're all share our knowledge and all kind of grow together because one thing he found was similar to what I found in vet med. They had a lot of specialists, a lot of people who wanted to talk about biotech all day. But when he was like, does anyone wanna talk about real estate? Has everyone bought a rental property before? Everyone was just like, no, we're biotech. We don't do that. And same thing on the vet med side. I'm like, anyone wanna talk about stock?

They're like, no man, like we're vets, we don't do that. So that was, that was the cause. And that's before you even had your podcast. And I was so excited to meet you too. 'cause you're like, yeah, I wanna build business.

Megan Sprinkle: You gotta start somewhere. Uh, yeah. Well it, you know, surrounding yourself with some of the other can-do attitude people is helpful. , Because something. , You've talked [00:22:00] about it as kind of a theme is this fear of failure. And so you're gonna have a lot of naysayers that you encounter. And so being very intentional and who you surround yourself with to support yourself, you from a, a spiritual, and when I say spiritual, I mean like emotional.

Getting you in the, in the right mindset, that kind of thing, , as well as skill sets that you're trying to learn. . And sometimes you have to be the one to start it too. You can't always depend on finding it or that it already exists.

Sometimes you have to be the proactive one and, and say, Hey, let's get on a Zoom call.

Andrew Findlaytor: Absolutely. And you mentioned something that's important to me. Maybe we can say this for later, talk about it now if you want, but like, yeah, as a leader, just as someone who grows in life, like things go up, things go down. I mentioned lightly to you, but like that's a little bit of the issue I have with the Peter principle.

The Peter principle, , summarize says that, , leaders or people in general will rise to their level of incompetence. And what that means in, in [00:23:00] true form is like, hey, most people continue to rise in their career until they kind of outgrow where they should be. The discussion and the debate comes in from some people saying, okay, so let's say I'm a veterinarian. I'm working at a practice. They're like, Hey Andrew, you become practice manager. Congrats. Maybe I'm really good as a veterinarian, but I'm not such a good team leader. The Peter principle says, well, that makes sense.

You climbed too far. You're now incompetent. And that incompetency is basically gonna continually be annoying to everybody, for lack of a better term. Some people say, Hey, you should step down, get outta the way, go back to your. Most recent level of competency, I would step down as a medical director and be like, I'm better just being a vet. Those are the two options people present. I really feel like there should be a third option. No one's gonna be perfect at something. Right away, like, well, we're not automatically downloaded with the knowledge on how to be a leader or how to do accounting or whatever else. , So I kind of like to laugh at the Peter principle and be like, the only way to grow beyond your competency is to continue to push yourself. If I use a running example, [00:24:00] I can't run 10 miles today. I can only run five miles, but if I keep running five miles and six, eventually I'll build up stamina and get my way up there. So I like to encourage other leaders who are like, I wanna do x, I wanna build a company, or I even wanna do something, but I'm not good at it, or I don't know how to do it. Great. is literally how everybody starts. Uh, the fun, the whatever you wanna call it, is the process of getting good at it.

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah. Uh, it, when you had talked about the Peter Principal, it actually made me go to veterinary technicians because I feel like that's what we do to vet techs is, is a vet tech gets really good in what they're, they do, they become the senior on the floor and then they, you know, what's the next thing is like, well, you're a senior, so I guess now you can be practice manager.

And some of them are like. What, I don't wanna be a manager. What? Um, but that's just like the assu assumed position that they go and, and it's, um, and, and of course they just get put there, they don't get any support often times, so then they feel [00:25:00] like , they're just bad at something. . An opportunity to, , assess what you want.

Don't be afraid to, like, if that is, like, if this does seem like a goal that you have is going and, and figuring out learning along the way, whether it's going to CE courses or talking to other practice managers, , about the, the time they felt stupid too when they first started, and, , like how they got beyond that.

So, absolutely.

Andrew Findlaytor: Man, what a great example. 'cause yeah, we take a really good technician who can place a catheter in the most dehydrated chihuahua and we tell them, Hey, your next step as a practice manager get really good at inventory management and conflict resolution. Those are completely different skillsets.

It's not fair to point at someone and be like, well, you were really good at drawing blood. You've ruined your career now by trying to lead people. Like, no, we have to give people the time and the training to navigate all of those things and continue to grow.

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah, exactly. It's uncomfortable, right? To feel like you. You're not good at something. [00:26:00] And, and I think maybe when we get older, it's worse. And maybe that's what they were talking about is like, go, go do emergency now while , you feel like you're in that learning growth mode anyway until you get older where, you know, if something takes long to learn, like you're just, ugh.

The, the easy way is just to not. Right.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah.

Megan Sprinkle: yeah, I kind of coming back to that. Yeah, a very good point. So back to your stories and, and the, the world of relief , you were in relief doing a lot of different things. You said hundreds of hospitals. I mean, who knows how many different lessons, but like what are some that stood out that really have stuck with you, that helped you, whether it's, , helped you find your own values or what you are gonna do next in your career.

What were some of those stories and moments?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, absolutely. So like I said, I found that even the biggest, most fancy hospital had something they struggled with, and even the most humble, tiny practice had [00:27:00] something did uniquely well. Again, everyone had their own strengths and weaknesses. The practices that really thrived are the ones who had almost the spirit of. All creatures great and small, and that doesn't mean that they treated every kind of patient, but they had a united goal of customers and helping their pets. Like really just trying to be like, how can we problem solve? How can we troubleshoot? The interesting thing for me is that that took many different shapes, which makes sense, is a lot of different shapes of people and dogs. I'll never forget I had this one hospital I worked at at North, um, it was my first time working there. I was supposed to be a gp. I walked in, this wasn't a Banfield, and they had 12 drop offs from me already. And I was like, what the, how do I have 12 drop offs? It was 7 45 in the morning. Megan and I could kind of see over the tech's shoulder 'cause I'd never met her before Shannon.

Lovely person. My calendar was fully booked too. And so part of me, of course, I'm a human, I can be a little frustrated and be like, did they triple book me for a whole day? And there was like procedures and stuff like that, but instead of getting mad, I was like, Hey Shannon, you, you said I have 12 [00:28:00] drop offs already.

This first day here. What do you mean we have 12 drop offs? What are we doing here? And she looked confused for a second, like, doesn't everyone work this way? And then she was like, oh, well we're in a commuter town. Everyone drives like one to two hours for work. So basically everyone drops off their pet at 7:00 AM We have slots for you to call all the owners.

They know what time to expect a call. They've all worked it out with their work schedule. So you basically have the next. Six hours to work up cases to talk to owners and get outcomes. And Megan, I loved it. It was one of the most refreshing experiences because. I could not only do physical exams, but I could call owners and say, Hey, do blood work and x-rays.

Here's my concerns. As an example, lady was like, okay, I'm gonna call my husband and chat with him. I'll chat with you in half an hour. It wasn't this exam room pressure where it's like, this is a 20 minute appointment. I gotta get this wrapped up. Sorry lady. You gotta decide now I'm gonna be behind. I could move fluidly through the whole day, and at the end of the day, my shift ended at five.

They stayed open till seven for. [00:29:00] The owners, Megan, were so genuinely appreciative. They were like, I work, it's like Tuesday. I couldn't wait until Saturday and I didn't wanna go to er. I'm so thankful that you guys like accommodate my schedule and could let me drop off. We didn't charge extra. That was another interesting thing.

I know some hospitals charge for that. It was just a core part of their model, Megan, that they, they did drop offs like that. , And then it was interesting 'cause like two years later I was working down in LA and I worked at a hospital that did the same thing but different. They had opened admission from 8:00 AM until 1130.

So the lobby, I'm not exaggerating, was filled with like 30 people. Everyone got loaded up. I was still taking histories with that one. But then everyone left their pets. They're like, discharge is at six, regardless of your dog's just getting subq fluids or a full workout, whatever else. Pickup windows at six.

So it created this very focused, unique work experience where I had time to talk to other doctors. I had more time to call clients. , The more I traveled, the more I saw just a lot of different unique ways. The medicine stayed the same for the most part, but just a lot of unique ways to [00:30:00] work with clients to give good outcomes to them.

So I love that. There's also some. Crazy days. Like I worked in this one hospital. It was like four hours in the middle of nowhere. Megan, this town, although nice people was just a T intersection, single stop sign, like no stoplight. They had a gas station. There was also the grocery store, a couple of houses. The vet office was like five minutes up the road. The vet office was a single room, like the exam room was, the lobby was the back. All of it was just right there. But again, the clients were still motivated. Medicine was a little different there and that obviously people weren't doing major workups, , and it was a lot more like feral cats and farm dogs and stuff like that. But when I was able to take a knee and still talk to owners, they, they still showed that same gratitude. They were still just excited to see their dogs or know that their pets were gonna get better. So finding that common thread in vet med was really exciting.

Megan Sprinkle: Well, what I hear with that is, one, there's no one right way to do something. That the, that problem solving aspect that you love so much is [00:31:00] understanding , the situation, the people, the needs. And adjusting the right solution to that unique, need. When you listen to your client and, and to the need and you provide the right solution for that need, people are gonna be grateful.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, well said. Another funny story. I had to neuter a great Dane. This thing was six foot four. I'm six foot three. You know, I'm a tall guy. This thing was so big and I had of course, the tiniest tech to ever live. Her and I are doing this is a tiny little practice, so we get the dog up on the surgery table with no small amount of grunting. Megan, the dog is taller than the table. It's head and it's like lower abdomen hanging off the table. And I'm like, well, this isn't gonna work. So it's that same troubleshooting and being like, don't have an extra surgery table. What am I gonna do? So we moved the anesthesia machine around and we neutered the dog on the ground, still did sterile field and everything else.

I put out a drape, layered it all up, but never in my wildest dreams that I'd imagine like [00:32:00] be doing a neuter on the ground, but you just never know what vet med's gonna throw at you. , 

Megan Sprinkle: it keeps it interesting, so, I mean, you got all this experience and, and you happened to be able to help a company that was all about, , relief work. And, I've actually interviewed Charlotte, from Roo , and so it's a very interesting story.

, But how did you learn about Roo and, and what were you excited about , back to the being a leader and being able to support large numbers of people, uh, with all this experience that you had, what, what was that kind of journey for you?

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah. So at that point in my career, um, that was like four or five years ago. I was like, okay, I've done the relief. I've seen the spots. Again, it's not a bad way to live life, but I'm just never content to just. Stay in the same spot. So I was like, what should I do next? And I was back to the same old thing of like, do I buy some practices?

I kind of tried some, but it was still kind of up in the air. And I was like, maybe I'm thinking too inside the box again. If I can help X amount of people with one practice, how could I help even more people? And growing [00:33:00] up in California, like I was very familiar with startup culture. David Sy was working at a startup at the time and he was like, man, it's so fast paced.

Like we make a decision on Monday and it's in in place on Tuesday. Like we're just trying to change the world. That sounds cool. I wanna work where I want to change the world, but I wanna do it in veterinary style. , So I spent about a year looking for the right startup, looking for Crunchbase and AngelList and meeting up with people on LinkedIn. just really trying to find the right thing to dive headlong into, as it were, until I finally found Roo and I was like, relief? I know all about that. So I reached out to a couple of employees. I basically spammed a whole bunch of people at Roo again, there was like less than 10 people at the time. But I reached out to the CEO at the time, Lisa, and I was like, Hey, Lisa. I've never met you before, but I know a lot about relief and I think I have the skillset you need to help grow this company, and I wanna as much as I can. And Lisa was like, you're kind of forward and a little quirky, but I think you're right. So I went through some interviews, met Charlotte.

She's like the second person I talked to, , right off the bat. I like, char is amazing, so knowledgeable, so passionate. And so they hired me on My [00:34:00] job, changed a lot over obviously the four years. It started off just very, very light. I was supposed to fly to LA and work some shifts, almost as like a pseudo ambassador. Um, but over four years I eventually probably worked my way up to Chief Vet again, bringing relief from. Kind of, I'll make the joke that like relief used to be two kinds of people. People who wanted to do it for work-life balance or money or whatever else. And people who did relief. 'cause no one wanted to work with them very much.

And so we were able with Roo, to grow that first number a lot and be like, look, relief is great, great pay, work-life balance. And less so where it's like people do relief 'cause they're kind of different. Yeah. So it was, it was a great time.

Megan Sprinkle: Well, good. Yeah. When we talked to Charlotte, she kinda. Was in the mindset of being able to help clinics welcome the relief. So kinda like the other way around, which was interesting to you, um, to know how to make the relief vet happy and feel like they wanna come back.

Um, but then also, , you have this entrepreneur [00:35:00] spirit again. You know, when we were talking about the business club and things like that, , did this also allow you to flex some entrepreneurial muscles or, , be able to dive in more into understanding how startups work and things like that at all?

Andrew Findlaytor: Very much so. Again, before RU I knew of like the idea of boards. I knew about the idea of like venture capital VC versus private equity and like how to do all, just all that kind of stuff very lightly. But living through it is a great way to teach. Like, Hey, here's about safe agreements and everything else.

And the more I learned about it, the more I was like, wow. is really exciting. This is really great and learned, like I said, right alongside Charlotte. She was always like one of my best friends there and an excellent, , partner in crime we'll say. Um, but yeah, it got me really excited to realize there's a lot of ways to build businesses and even beyond that, and I say this with all the respect in the world, when they started building Roo they didn't build it knowing this will 100% be successful, this is exactly what the world wants. You know, they came in very humble, like. We think we see a problem we're gonna try to fix it. [00:36:00] Let's just take it one step at a time. I'll forever be grateful to David Strauss and me and Char and all them for being like, yep. only way to really build a successful business is to, to take it one step at a time.

So that was a huge leap for me, entrepreneur wise, to realize that. And they've been working on Roo for years before I even came in. Again, everyone wants to get to the big ending where it's like, yay, we're a big company, but lemme tell you this, the beginning years are so slow and so tiny, and each little thing you do matters.

, So yeah, seeing all of that firsthand was great. And then as we grew getting to network with other people and getting to go from trade show to trade show, I'll never forget like our first, my first trade show with them, we had a little 10 by 10 booth. We had like four business cards. We just weren't prepared.

We were new and like all of our stuff was just a mess, Megan. And so it was great. But we still made friends. We still got to talk to people about relief. We still got to share that, that message as it were. And each years we got a little bigger and a little bigger up until last year, even this year where we have a big booth, we've got like a, one of the bigger ones. And having people watch us over half a decade and be like, wow, look [00:37:00] you guys grew a lot. It's like, we did it team. It's not just me, like we all did it together. That I've never had a feeling quite like that. Being so proud of everyone who's been able to help grow that, as it were. 

Megan Sprinkle: Being willing to start small and do things slowly can be hard. 'cause again, I think there's a lot of us that, you know, if I can't have this done by tomorrow, then that sounds like a lot of work. Um, and again, bringing back that the fear of failure. You said, you know, a lot of times the fear of failure is actually the counter to success.

Like that fear is what's gonna get in your way to get to where you wanna go. And so. , Whether it's taking a risk or, , doing things one step at a time to make sure you're doing it well and correctly, and then adjust from there, , is, is huge. And I, I think that can be applied to our own career journeys is, you know, try something one step at a time.

That's what I encourage because I, I think people get overwhelmed. It's like, well, I'm not happy here. Just, just try something a little bit different. , And that can get you [00:38:00] into the right direction. , The other thing too is, is working in, this setting with a team, , everybody has their.

Their contribution. I'm a big brainstormer and an idea person too. And when you have all these things in your head , thoughts and experiences and ideas, and they may be amazing ideas, but if they don't work with that, that step that everybody else is at.

Like, it can be shut down and that can be very vulnerable and really hard too. , So any comment on your personal experience or any, , comfort to others who might be in the same situation?

Andrew Findlaytor: Absolutely. The best way to put it is your first idea. V one is pretty much never gonna work. I've done many V ones all the way through V 45s, I'm sure. Um, failure is a feature, not a bug. If you're failing, that's normal. The exception is when things go really, really well, , don't feel bad about that.

That's something to be proud about. I mean, take the Thomas Edison approach where he failed 99 times and he said, I found 99 ways to not [00:39:00] make a light bulb. I know it sounds a little silly at borderline and meme, but like it really is encouraging. The other thing to remember is that there's everyone, I, that's another great thing about Roo and other companies since is I constantly talk to other founders, CEOs, big companies, small.

I just talked to the ceo EO of a multi-billion dollar company, , just the other month, and I was like, Hey, you're in the chair everyone wants to be in. Like you've made it like this is big time. You're getting ready to do an IPO, and you've done it since day one. He was a founder. I was like, does it get any easier?

Is it, like smooth sailing at this point? And he told me without any hesitation, no, Andrew, it never gets easier. The problems change, but there's always problems or always opportunities we'll say. I don't know. I, I find that encouraging. I'm pretty glass half full, but it's nice to know just because I or someone else is tiny doesn't mean we're doing something wrong or just. Taken a step at a time. I mean, we both have kids too. My kids are older. They still trip, and I still trip and fall. My wife makes so much fun of me tripping up the stairs doesn't mean I can't walk somewhere. It just means that.

Megan Sprinkle: Yes. You just keep going. . [00:40:00] Well, now , you're onto a new project. I, I feel like a lot of your story is okay, what's next? And you do have a what next? Although, like what you said, this is not brand new, it's. Been in the works for a while. It is just, it started small and one step at a time, and I think you had a very eager person come to you with a unique background.

And, , so tell us a little bit about Vetsie and how that got started.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yeah, so Vetsie is, really exciting. I've been working with the Vetsie team for over four years, coming up on five now. Uh, I met my good friend Alex Chang there. Really great guy. Absolutely passionate along with this little team with like improving the lives of pets. Um, and I was like, wow, you guys are great.

Yeah, let's brainstorm ways that we can build together. And so over the four years we've done, telemedicine, we've done like a pet walking app again with startups, guys pivoting is normal. It's someone'll be like, you know, this is not working well. Either we need to change what we're doing or we need to change the problem we're solving. They'd done a bit of both, but finally recently they're [00:41:00] like, you know, Andrew, we're excited, we're proud, but we wouldn't hate it if someone wanted to come in and say what we should do next. And I was like, well, I know what I wanna do next. I wanna fix things in VetMed. I wanna make the world brighter. so started building Vetsie almost from scratch. We've got a really exciting product now. We're a clinical library powered by ai. I say that because I kind of roll my eyes at, you know how it is, there's like a billion AI companies out there. We're different. Think of us as a competitor to like VIN or things like that. I love VIN. I harass Paul at VIN all the time. If I wanna find exactly what a veterinarian said on VIN, after searching for 45 minutes, I'll find it. If I want what a textbook said or a peer reviewed article or a university said, Vetsie's for. We'll get you any answer you need clinically in 15 seconds or less.

And it's been really exciting not only to build that from the ground up, but just to talk to other veterinarians to get insight, to get recommendations, and really trying to find out, well, what's the hardest thing about what we're doing in veterinary medicine? How do we talk to owners better? So yeah, it's been an absolute blast.

Megan Sprinkle: So it even [00:42:00] helps on that side of things, on how to talk to pet owners better. Say more.

Andrew Findlaytor: So we just finished up. so I can walk in and be like, so I, this is what I just gave a lecture on earlier. I can walk in and be like, I've got a pet with a torn ACL. I'm going a little bit against the grain. actually ACVIM is as well, in that gold standard has become kind of problematic. The gold standard for treatment is a TPLO, not arguing that, but what VetMed has evolved to for some people is you can have a TPLO or you can have nothing. Just go get a TPLO, and clients need more options. I can give a whole lecture on like spectrum of care and like costs and everything else, but as a veterinarian, I don't know all the orthopedic facts in my head, so I can type it into Vetsie and be like, Hey, gimme the research.

What does the peer reviewed article say on orthopedic options for torn ACL? And in doing the research, I was like, wow, TPLOs have a 90% plus success rate, but I didn't know that around five to 10% of them can fail. That's crazy. Uh, extra caps, which again, people have mixed feelings on, they have an 80 [00:43:00] to 85% success rate.

And although we all know that the rope or suture will fail over time, there are studies that have come out that I haven't read because I don't have time to just read JAVMA all day, every day. It sits next to my desk, that if that suture stays intact for a year, that's actually enough time for healthy fibrosis and scar tissue to build over the joint. So if the snaps, we don't actually care anymore, but when we don't do anything, that joint has so much mobility, it never provides protective scar tissue until it turns into like a big old chunk of scar tissue. So now being able to present to owners and be like, you can have almost a hundred percent success here. You can have 80% success here, but for half the cost, even if it's a large breed dog, you can do chronic NSAIDs. And I can even, it even told me like, Hey. What's the success rate for splinting like? It's always cool to read about orthopedic splints. I've had clients ask me about that. Before, I would have to be honest and be like, I don't know. I haven't read the papers on it. That thing pulled up the papers in just a second and said, Hey, although it's somewhat decent, 45 to 48% of pets have skin lesions, essentially skin sores that form [00:44:00] from it. 11% of pets won't tolerate it at all. Now, I can offer my clients four options out all at once.

Instead of just saying TPLO or bust. I can help them discuss the pros and the cons and figure out what's gonna work for them and their dog and feel like I'm doing more options for this dog rather than just telling it. Here's your arthritis. Have fun. And then once it does all of that, I can tell Betsy, now turn all this into an eighth grade reading level and make it a client friendly discharge instruction or a client friendly handout. It will do all of that. I can tell it, condense it down to one page. It really has been a game changer for just enhancing my communication, uh, while also saving me time. It's been really

Megan Sprinkle: That's really cool. So I mean. On this journey, AI feels like a buzzword right now and and that's why you even said you wanna roll your eyes when you hear about, oh, another AI company. What have you learned about AI on this journey so far? I'm sure you tons, like that's such a. Open-ended question, but , pertaining to you getting more comfortable with it, [00:45:00] understanding where we are in veterinary medicine with it, where's it gonna go?

Like what have you been learning? 

Andrew Findlaytor: so I described AI similar to a, to a calculator. It can make things easier and faster, but all it's gonna do is enhance the things that we're already doing. never gonna replace veterinarians. I've had a lot of vet scared veterinarians come up and tell me, oh, it's just a matter of time until this thing becomes a vet and we don't have jobs anymore. I can tell you a hundred percent that's, that's not the case. AI isn't even the I part, it's not intelligent. It doesn't actually think. It just looks for patterns and recognition, and that's why I tell people again, like I really wanted to build an all-encompassing library instead of me having to pull Fossum's book off the shelf and turn to page 1,298 for how to do a gastropexy. , Just having it sourced easier and consolidated. That's the way AI is gonna work. So again, AI is definitely here to stay. AVMA did a study that said, I wanna say 79. Yeah, 79% of all veterinarian redneck professionals are using AI to some extent already. So everyone's adopted it fairly well. I look [00:46:00] outside the window, Megan, I don't see flying cars or anything like that. Like it's one of those, the future's coming. Well, the future's here. It's just a small tool in my toolbox the same way a computer is the same way everything else is, but it's never gonna totally turn the world upside down in my mind. What are your thoughts on it though?

I'd love to

Megan Sprinkle: Oh, well, I'm very optimistic. I'm very intrigued. I love to learn about it , I think a lot of it too is one of the benefits of Vetsie is that a lot of AI is. As good as the information that's put into it. So, I mean, what you're doing is okay, it's, this is not chat GPT, it's not like, uh, skimming, Billy Bob Joe's blog , it's very, . Intentionally, , fed what we would normally go and, and try ideally look for to get this information. , , but ultimately, like you said, it's not gonna remove the clinician because g oing back to, access to care or, , the kind of an adjacent is contextualized [00:47:00] care. Ultimately, we have a single animal in front of us. 'cause I think this can extend beyond cats and dogs, right? We have a, an animal in front of us and a human attached. And you have to find what is right in that context.

, And some of that is it, it should make our job really fun. It goes back to that problem solving, right? Like it's, it's, there's not a like a textbook answer, right? It, it's, we can get information, so we have all these options, but now we can sit down together and say what makes sense for this patient, for this family, and so you, you have to have a human being who can put all that into context. And some of the skills that I, I think we'll all need to emphasize is that communication skill. The listening skill, being able to gather all the right information to make sure we do understand the need [00:48:00] that's in front of us, and then source all the options and then tie it all together in a nice bow.

So. Yeah, I don't think that a machine can fully understand some of the nuances that come with , that human and pet component. So yeah, I think we'll always have a role. there might be some additional skill sets that we more want to work on, but yeah, there will always be a need, I think for a human component.

And I even had someone challenge me. It is like if you could have . A robot, an ai, something, where you just walk in and it's all robots and to try to diagnose something. And because they're all robots, they have a very high likelihood of accurately identifying your, your issue or walking in with some human components.

what would you feel more comfortable with? And I, I thought about it and , the stake on the line is something lethal. , Like this is, could be diagnosing something lethal. And I [00:49:00] just didn't love the idea of like just walking in with a bunch of robots that to, to give me that information.

Like there's always gonna be a, that human component. Um. One, to, to take all the information and, and make sure that it, it's appropriately explained to me and, and we find the right path forward. But there's also that level, , I'm sorry it's a little touchy feely, but it's like, there, there's this. Human connection that I, I think, is so crucial, that again, I think there might be a few people that are like, no, gimme the robot.

But I, I think that there will always be a majority of people who really need that human touch.

Andrew Findlaytor: Agreed. That's what makes life special. And the same goes for pets. Megan, if I could give you a perfect robo dog that never got sick, never did anything, and like was dog size, I'm not talking about at Tochi. It'd be really sad. Like the fun of life, the joy of life is the asymmetricalness, like the beauty with the [00:50:00] fall and everything else.

Like it's just imperfections are part of life. So like I, I'm right there with you. I, I like people quite a bit. AI is a tool, but yeah, it's not the same.

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah. So what's next for Vetsie? , What are you most excited about now and what, what are you wanting to sing from the rooftops. 

Andrew Findlaytor: super excited for Betsy. We're just continuing to grow. We're speaking at conferences, we're doing webinars, we're working on studies, working with universities. , I'm thankful and grateful to say like the profession so far has had a really positive response with it. So, uh, we're gonna be doing a big event. At VMX, WVC and so on from there. So we're really excited about that. One other thing, I'll leave you as a little nugget, because like you said, there's, there's always a next thing, although I'm very happy with this thing, um, and very happy with my day job as well, because I have that as well. But, , working with Alex, who co-founded with me, Vetsie, we actually are just launching Pawsible, which is really exciting.

So for all my veterinary entrepreneurs who have an interest in this, Pawsible, first and foremost, it's free. It's an investment group. It's a venture capital fund, but we have what's called an incubator, and for those of you guys who don't know, [00:51:00] incubators are not for companies who are making money, not even a little bit. This is for everyone free who's like, Hey, I've always dreamed of building an app or a company of else, and I just wish I could talk to someone about it. I wish I could bounce ideas off of someone about it. We're putting together for next year, a a six week incubator course, again, completely free, where you can come, we can build it with you.

So for any veterinary entrepreneurs who wanna build something, , next year's gonna be your time because I can tell you the companies that have done the best in industry, I'm talking Plumbs, I'm talking Shepherd, I'm talking Avamark. Those things, were all founded and built by veterinarians. No one builds it like vets do.

It's easy for people to come in and copy, but , no one knows our profession better than us. So anyone who has that dream, I'm excited to talk with you about that you're looking specifically for veterinary professionals. Okay, awesome.

Or yes, anyone who wants to build a business and wants to have a helping hand or advice or anything like that, , yeah, send over my, we're excited to make recommendations.

Megan Sprinkle: that. Well, I always like to end on this one question, what is [00:52:00] something that you personally are very, very grateful for right now? Just whatever first comes to your mind.

Andrew Findlaytor: I am very grateful for people in my life telling me I can do it. That's all the veterinary mentors I had. That's my parents and everything else. And I'm equally as grateful for the people who told me I couldn't do it because uh, that kind of motivation goes a long way to

Megan Sprinkle: Yeah, you just have to have a balance of both.

Andrew Findlaytor: Yes. Well said. Yes. You shouldn't have too much of one or the other. Um, a good balance of both, man. That gets me motivated. 

Megan Sprinkle: If you've listened to a few episodes, you know that I love the words curiosity and possibility. Andrew lives by these words every day. His willingness to try and his belief that we, especially people in VetMed can build solutions for a better tomorrow is the kind of thinking that will shape and an amazing future for our profession.

Thank you to Andrew for sharing his journey, his lessons, and his vision for what veterinary medicine can become. Tune in next week for another veterinarian and co-founder of an impressive [00:53:00] company with a. Vision for the future of pet care. A special thank you as always to Dr. Kelly Cooper for supporting the podcast and helping make conversations like this possible. If you're interested to help out the podcast in that way too, click the support the show link. In the show notes. The show notes also have a number of resources, including ones mentioned in the episode. And if this episode resonated with you, taught you something or sparked an idea, please take a moment to follow or subscribe to the show and share it with a colleague.

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