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D.M.S.R. A Podcast Series On Prince Pt. 2 (1982-1984)
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Mark Wiggins joins us for part two of our Prince series, celebrating the legendary artist's golden era from 1982-1984 and the incredible protégés who expanded his musical universe.
• Remembering Pepe Willie, the godfather of the Minneapolis Sound, who recently passed away
• The launch of MTV in 1981 and how Walter Yentikoff forced them to play Black artists
• Prince's girl group Vanity 6 and their provocative debut album featuring hits like "Nasty Girl"
• The Time's "What Time Is It?" album and Morris Day's incredible charisma and stage presence
• Deep dive into Prince's breakthrough double album "1999" and how it transformed his career
• Prince's perfectionism and sometimes difficult relationship with his band members
• Sheila E's "The Glamorous Life" album and Prince's pattern of giving great material to protégés
• How Prince handled songwriting credits, sometimes removing collaborators from songs
• The Minneapolis Sound's competition with Rick James and other acts of the era
Happy heavenly birthday to Prince Rogers Nelson. The music lives forever.
Prince's Birthday and Music Legacy
Speaker 1Hey music bookers , welcome back to the Music Book Podcast , as promised . Prince Series , dance Music , sex , rose man . So we are part two and I'm again joined with Mark Wiggins . How you doing , my brother ?
Speaker 2Yo , I'm doing well . Stayed up late last night digging the Prince Celebration footage and I've also decided on a new on my next guitar .
Speaker 1Oh wow , what is that ?
Speaker 2This . This one will be the Jeff Beck . What's it called ? I forgot the name of it . It's called Jeff Beck . I forgot the name of it . It's called the Jeff Beck . Okay , it's from the company Jackson and it's beautiful and it's the guitar he played when he recorded the Chambers Brothers cover of . When we cover the Chambers Brothers version of People , get Ready .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2And the tone , and I was just thinking about it last night and I thought that's the one , that's the next one how many guitars do you have in my ass ? Uh , right now 11 . Okay , hmm I can't play any of them hey man go ahead , go ahead .
Speaker 2Well , see , for me I'm . I'm at a point now in life I'm not a young man anymore , and each guitar tells a story For me . Each one holds a certain place and I was thinking about that last night and I was thinking something's missing and I'm like that's the one . And the thing about that guitar is it's pink .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2And that's fine , I mean , whatever man oh yeah right , that's the guitar that tells the story . The first one I got when I started doing this was the Eddie Van Halen model . It's called Circles and it's black and white and it's got like some circles on it and some stripes . And the reason it stands out is he played it only for one song on the 1981 tour and I saw that tour in Oakland and if you go on YouTube and look at that footage from Oakland , he's playing that guitar .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2And I thought I always wanted one of those , but they never did one until a few years ago . I'm like , gotta have it . Gotta have it Sounds good . A lot of people say getting a tattoo is addictive . Collecting guitars is addictive .
Speaker 1Hey man , you know what Prince said about tattoos , don't you ? No , what did he say ? He said he never got tattoos . He said because tattoos don't look good on old skin .
Speaker 2No , no , they don't , no , they don't . Man's got a point .
Speaker 1Full disclosure , man . When I asked you to do this show on this particular Saturday man , his birthday did not even cross my mind at all . And , uh , man , I just there's so much going on in my life , so much going on in the world , so much going on in this country I just it didn't cross my mind . And usually I use social media to remind me of things , especially birthdays . And as soon as I woke up this morning and opened up Facebook and it was right in my face , I'm like oh my , oh , that is right , it is the seventh . And you know , apropos , man , we record this episode , part two , on Prince's birthday man .
Speaker 2So I like to say happy , heavenly birthday to our guy , prince Rogers Nelson him you know , I bet the jam that he's having right now with eddie van halen and jimmy hendrix and stevie ray vaughn is off the hook man , you said a lot , just you just said I got goose pimples man that would be something to see and uh , you know what I ?
Speaker 1I ? I was so disappointed in myself and I had it in my notes and I had a little speaking point last time we recorded and I forgot to bring up Pepe Willie man . I'd like to say rest in peace to Pepe Willie man , who's considered the godfather of the Minneapolis sound , and man , do you have any words about Pepe Willie ?
Speaker 2You know that came out of nowhere too . And you have any words about Pepe Willie . You know that came out of nowhere too , you know and I noticed . Well , first I heard about it and then I noticed a lot of the original people from Minneapolis had had some really nice things to say . You know , eric Leeds , bobby , you know so many people had things to say . Michael Bland , who wasn't original , yeah . But you know he was part of that group , he had people , had things to say .
Speaker 1Michael Bland , who wasn't original , yeah , but you know he was part of that group , he had a few things to say , so he really touched a lot of people yeah that caught me off guard , man .
Speaker 1I was like , ah , and I was like man , I meant to , Because after we wrapped up and I looked at my notes , like I did not bring up Pepe , Willie and 94 East and I was just so disappointed . But man , rest in peace . And also I'd like to say rest in peace to Wayne Lewis , who was one of the lead singers of Atlantic Star . Man , Atlantic Star . Yes , that caught me off guard too . He's one of the brothers , David and Jonathan , in Atlantic Star and just like I want to say , send out my sincere condolences to both of their families man , yeah , definitely , definitely .
Speaker 2sincere condolences to both of their families .
Speaker 1Man , yeah , definitely , definitely , all right . Man , uh , let's get into this part two . Um , I'm , I'm trying to recover , I'm
MTV's Influence on Music Culture
Speaker 1trying to cover it . Man , 82 to 84 . And we're gonna do one of the backdrop and so one of the things , because we we left off , right , we left off on the last , on the first time album , so we're going to 80 . You know , uh , this the fall of 81 , and so one of the things that was pivotal in the fall of 81 was the launch of mtv , right , and you know you're in ohio , correct ?
Speaker 2uh , michigan , that's why I said michigan , when did you guys get MTV ? Because in Oakland we didn't get it until like 80 , late 83 . But I knew it was around 81 because I'd go to , like to Concord . I'm like , what's this ? Oh man , mtv . Well , what's that ? And their selections when they first started were really limited , oh yeah .
Speaker 1They had to get a lot of videos from overseas .
Speaker 2Yeah , a lot of English stuff really broke because of MTV .
Speaker 1Yeah , a lot of it did , mm-hmm .
Speaker 2A lot of that new wave stuff and I really hate to belittle a band by calling them a one-hit winner because it's not really cool but a lot of things that they started out playing in the beginning . Yeah , you kind of got lost in the shuffle when they got bigger .
Speaker 1oh , absolutely and our guys that we talked prensson and michael jackson , they just they set the bar man , and you remember it was rick james who spearheaded the uh oh rick rick had something to say . Yeah , he spearheaded that movement . He was , he was very vocal about it . Like what are black people at what ?
Speaker 2a black . I read , I read um walter yentikoff's biography and he was the ceo of sony at the time , which was back , there was columbia yep and he told mtv . He said look , you're gonna play billy jean and he's like and they're like what if we don't , if we don't we're taking springsteen play Billie Jean and he's like . And they're like what if we don't , If we don't we're taking Springsteen and everybody else under our umbrella , what's it going to be ? I thought you'd see it my way .
Speaker 1Yes , man , so he's an 84 , 82 to 84 , you know that's the pop culture was marked by the rise of new wave synth pop , hip hop . Yes , but you know he got michael jackson thriller was to come out , uh , madonna's holiday came out and um , and so it was just , uh , a human league man , you know um , I liked his voice .
Speaker 2I really did yeah , yeah , very sick , I mean , like you said , very poppy , but I like that guy's voice . Yeah , I love it .
Speaker 1Don't you Want Me was my favorite song around that time too . And then you got Hip Hop , Emergence , you got the Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five . Planet Rock was out Thriller .
Speaker 2Africa Bombado . So , you mentioned hip hop . Back then we said the Message Thriller , africa , bombada . Oh yes . And so you mentioned hip hop . Back then we said the message I'm a few years older than you . I remember when Rapper's Delight came out .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And I'm like what man that's good times , that get out my face . Yeah , oh yeah . And then I was not impressed . Then Grandmaster Flash comes out with Freedom . That was my impressed . Then Grandmaster Flash comes out with Freedom , that was my jam . Freedom was the one that got my attention .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2Flash one time , Beep , beep . You and the crew Hold on . Oh yeah , hey Tell me .
Speaker 1I'm going to throw a few songs out that was hot in 82 . You got Physical . You know Olivia Newton-John . You got physical . You know olivia newton , john you got .
Speaker 2Uh , I can't go for that . Daryl hall john , no centerfold .
Speaker 1Jay giles oh , I hated that you like centerfold , did not like centerfold .
Speaker 2What about ? I love rock and roll joan jett and heartbreak . You know I'm gonna go ahead and be Mr Haterade , right now Okay , and I heard you call him Heartbreaker . Yeah , my bad . Alright , blackhearts , you know she's rocking on Hall of Fame . Yeah , yeah , yeah , she don't need to be , I'm sorry . Yeah , you don't get in off somebody else's work man . Yeah , if she didn't write anything , she's done . Any of done . Any of her hits she didn't write that's a good point .
Speaker 2So I'm like , no , uh , and she got him before pat benatar . What ? No , that's crazy .
Speaker 1No , no , and that's insane uh , cherry's fire was hot , hot . You remember that man that ? Instrument um I had an angelus , I had a tiger . Yeah , jack and diane who can ?
Speaker 2I like how cougar came out of nowhere with all that stuff . He just hit like a bomb too . Bam , I'm here . What's up ?
Speaker 1What about man at Work ? Who could it be ? Now , you know , they kind of flamed out quick too . They did .
Speaker 2They're like a precursor to Huey Lewis if you look at them . They had those pop hits and it was like one after the other and next thing you know , poof . And then it was Huey Lewis and they picked up that same vein and did very well with it , very well .
Speaker 1I was a huge fan of them 82 , the movies at the time ET , tootsie Officer and the Gentleman , star Trek II .
Speaker 2You know , I've never seen ET .
Speaker 1No way , Never . You must not have any desire to huh .
Speaker 2You know , it just didn't speak to me . Okay , you know , I'm like , eh , a little corny for me . I'm like nah , this isn't aimed at me . This is aimed at young people , which is fine , yeah , people , which is fine . Yeah , which is fine , but it wasn't for me yeah , you know , I was .
Speaker 1I was told somebody gave me a heads up , like how you brought up mojo when you need to talk about mojo a little bit more . And so I'm going to just give a little backdrop about mojo , because she was very important to the development of detroit . Techno , yes , and um , he was recognized and by introducing many arts , of course we talked about prince and parliament , the b-52s , craft work , and um , he put prince . So on the map in detroit there were prince , granted him , granted him a interview , uh , back in 86 , and so he really appreciate the work that mojo did . And mojo was just influential . He had these things , uh , these , he had these shows on his uh radio show . He had 35 , 35 , 35 which you , uh , the callers would call in and pick their favorite artists and he would do , he would play their music commercial free for 35 minutes and um , he had Star Wars man , which was huge Michael Jackson against .
Speaker 1Prince and Prince against Rick James time against the Gap Band . Oh my gosh , you would just . They would just be going on all night and people would call in and he would just count . Oh , that's one for Prince and that's one for Michael Jackson . It was just so sweet man . And then , um , he would also , uh , sign in by saying every night .
Speaker 2He would say whatever you feel like you're man .
Speaker 1He was so influential man , especially because I started DJing and and this his , his music pattern and eclectic uh taste that always incorporated in my sets when I used to DJ back in the day . So all right , man , let's get into the music let's do this I'm gonna need , I'm gonna leave .
Speaker 1I'm gonna need your uh expertise on some of these uh projects , because a lot of them I didn't listen to at the time . I had to go back in
Vanity 6: Prince's First Girl Group
Speaker 1retrospect . Uh , we started off with , uh vanity 6 . I released august 11 1982 , which went gold and um , did you have that album ?
Speaker 2of course okay , okay actually actually full disclosure . My sister bought it first . Okay , then I had to go and get my own copy all the songs , man .
Speaker 1What did you like ? I mean , did you like all the songs and what ? What was your favorite ?
Speaker 2the only one the only one I didn't care for was , um , the one . The last one , three times two was six . Okay , that was a throwaway , yeah , but I liked . I liked that . You know nasty earl . Obviously I thought wet dream was great . Okay , he's so dull . I'm like I mean , it's such a good , fun album , it's filthy . Well , not compared to now , right , but for the time it was pretty racy . And I'm like , are they talking about a wet dream here ? You can't do that , okay . Okay , drive me wild . I mean it was full of good stuff . And the one if a girl answers , don't hang up . Oh man , is that on ?
Speaker 1the album .
Speaker 2That's on the album . Okay , oh yeah , that's on the album .
Speaker 1Okay , oh yeah , that's Terry Lewis , right .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , okay , I'm like oh , here we go .
Speaker 1Yeah , because I end up finding that , because it's hard to find , so I end up finding that and then I just downloaded today in my Apple library . But yeah , at the time it was a weird time in life , man . I wound up moving with my grandparents and they was a musical , you know . So anytime I would listen to music was on TV , you know BET or MTV . So if the music videos wasn't shown on there and I didn't , of course I was too young to have a job , so I couldn't buy my own music , so I just had to listen to whatever Mojo played or what was on television .
Speaker 2I know you got to go out there and see it , man , because that's where it's at . And for me , at that time I was working in , you know , the sound reinforcement , slash music industry anyway , so I was always hearing new things , and what really inspired me to try new things is I could be in a rock club , for instance , and I'm talking to some of these people , the sound guys just chatting it up , and one will say , dude , have you heard the latest from , like John Cougar ? Or the latest from Rick James and all these musician heads like things that are outside of their genre ? Yeah , which which I think is so cool and you can learn so much . Um , and I've always said this , the peak of that was back in the old tech tv days .
Speaker 2Um , chuck d was on a panel and he's talking about how much he loves neil young stuff . I'm like , oh , that's so cool , that is so cool . Yeah , you know so for me I would hear , that's that's how I got turned on new stuff . You know , like minute work . I'm like , what's this ? Try it . Oh , this is okay , all right , and you know , I'm just at a point . You just have to be open . You can listen to it , like it or don't like it , but give it a shot . You never know .
Speaker 1So what would you call the style of this album ? Because I went back and listened to YouTube . It sounded new wavy and it sounded punkish .
Speaker 2What Vanity .
Speaker 1Six .
Speaker 2Yeah , I would say it had a hint of new wave because at that time Prince was coming out of his little new wave phase . You know , that time prince was coming out of his little new wave phase , you know because dirty mind and um controversy definitely leaned into the new way . Yes , it did , definitely , and so did this . But see vanity being just so incredibly beautiful , she could have sung anything we would have we would have been listening to it , so it didn't matter .
Speaker 2Yeah , but definitely , and des , I think , brought into it , so it didn't matter . Yeah , but definitely . And des , I think , brought maybe unconsciously , but he brought some of that new wave with him . Yeah , because when des left , the new wave left .
Speaker 1Yeah uh , we'll be remiss , not to mention that their name was , uh , the hookers at first . He wanted .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's not gonna work , no , no .
Speaker 1So rest in peace , denise matthews , and shout out to susan moonsie and brenda bennett man yes yes , oh man , hey man , we coming to your group release .
Speaker 1Uh , what time is it release ? August 25th 1982 , man , that was so long ago . Oh man , this is a great album , man . Um , I love this album so much and I know that the guy said , uh , they were . They were disappointed that their face wasn't on the album . And then Prince told him like you know well how would , if you went to a record store and you grabbed an album , what would catch your eye ? An album with a whole bunch of guys on it ? Or this one with Morris looking at his watch .
Speaker 2And doing that face that , face oh yeah , oh yeah , there it was and it worked . That definitely stood out because people do that . I'll say it now . I do that face to this day . Yes , you know . Yes , you know .
Speaker 1Yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes yes .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes yes .
Speaker 1Yes , yes , yes yes .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , when the EP really started to take shape , I didn't know what an EP was back then . But someone told me if it's less than eight , it's an EP . I'm like , oh okay , and these songs are all so long . It reminded me of back in the day . You'd get an Isley Brothers album and it would say like Fight the Power , part one and two , because the songs were so long . It's the same thing . And you get up with wine to loose . That's how you start the party . That's how you start the party . Man when the party at ? Ready In your shoes ? What time ? Oh yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , and this is probably my favorite song on the album 779311 . I can't stand when people say 779311 . Oh , it annoys me so much when they say it like that clearly they are peasants come on , man yes nine three , one one , no , no but what a jam session too .
Speaker 1And um , the story behind that , uh more , uh , morris was in the studio , prince went on a date , went to dinner , told him to go and lay the track , came back and he told morris he didn't like it . He said I don't like the way you sound . And so morrison went home dejected and , um , he said he just slept on it , but he was just like a lot of things . The prince would berate you , man . And and they said they would see , they would go to a band rehearsal , they see his car , they sometimes that their stomach would get in knots , man . And so morris would say he was so upset . But then he said but prince was like you know , they called a gemini up and down . He said .
Speaker 1He said the next day he said prince was like he did the 180s , like oh man , I love the way you sounded on there , you sounded young and I like the way you sound it . And he said prince was like he did the 180s , like oh man , I love the way you signed it on there , you sounded young and I like the way you sound it . And he said they just went with that uh version that he did when he was in studio all day , so you know , and I I've been really captured by the way jimmy jam relates that story about that song .
Speaker 2okay , okay , you know , and I'm going to rip off Jimmy Jam right now . So , jimmy , if you hear this out of love brothers , out of love .
Speaker 2Oh yes , you know , jimmy will say in interviews you know Prince will come in there , they'll be rehearsing and Prince will be like Jimmy , actually go 777 . So he'll play the song and Prince will say Jimmy Jam , what are you doing with your left hand ? Uh , nothing , printers , I don't have a chord here . We'll play something else , play what monday's playing , and double the sounds . Gotta be bigger than the record , yeah . So a few minutes go by , they're doing it again . And here comes prince again jimmy jam , what , what note are you singing ? I'm not singing to them . It's a three-part harmony with . You know , terry and Jesse and Morris . No , no , gotta be bigger than the record . You need to find a note and sing it . Okay , A few minutes , a few more minutes go by .
Speaker 2Jimmy Jam , why aren't you doing the choreography ? She was like I gotta do choreography now . And he's all yes . And so Jimmy just got so frustrated he's like I can't do it , I can't do it . And he would practice and practice . And then he got to the point where , you know they do rehearsal . Prince would come in , all right , 777 . And they'd go into it . And Jimmy's doing everything he's been asked to do and he's kicking up a notch . He's like I'm tipping my hat , I just got on my own way and did it . You know he was right . Yeah , and the way Jimmy relates that story is just so cool and it takes me right back to that and I remember because I was 18 at the time 17 , 18 because I was a knucklehead , I'll own that . When that song came out , everybody was writing that phone number everywhere .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , now there was another song around that time called jenny by a guy named tommy two-tone with the eight , six , seven , five , three , oh nine . No , that ain't the number , man . That ain't the number . The number is 77 793 11 . That's the number , absolutely man .
Speaker 1What a jam session , man . Uh , this next song is the one are you when ? Back in the day I will skip man . How did you feel about one day ?
Speaker 2I know , man , one day I'm gonna be somebody see that goes back to the thing again about new wave . That had a new wave bite to it , yeah , and at the end they're like we don't like new wave . Really you kind of do by singing this song you know , I don't want to skip that one too . Yeah , you know that was a shot at .
Speaker 1Uh , andre Simone , yeah , because his album's called living in the new way . Yeah , and Jesse's like like man . Prince will write these lyrics and then put us in the middle of a beef . He's like we we didn't feel that way , even though he , he , but we , we had to sing it and uh , but hey , that's how it was . Ah , what about number four ? Everybody , everybody walking by there , oh , Everybody there Walk .
Speaker 1Ooh man , I love that . You know what I compared the walk with cool and what I think I think for me walk stands apart when I compare the two because of the end part with the vanity . I just love the dialogue back and forth between morris and um vanity and they even prince , isn't that ? Princess say hey , maurice , introduce me to the young lady too ahead of you .
Speaker 2Don't get out my face . Oh , that's a great album oh man I loved a little . You know vignettes like that to end the song . Yeah , yeah , come see me in 32 measures . Cool , cool , all right , and if you're good you can work the stick in my ride .
Speaker 1So do you always . What do you say ? What did she say about ?
Speaker 2Do you always carry lunch in your glove ?
Speaker 1compartment .
Speaker 2I didn't wear gloves . Because it's cool Now see on the stylish front when I was just about to leave high school . At that point , that was back when Jordache and Sergio Volta were known things Morris killed that . He was like no , no , you got to wear some baggies now . Everybody was getting the baggies on . If you got caught rocking the designer jeans , you get clowned . This is the way it is and they were designed . You're not going to the club and those anymore . No , it was over .
Speaker 1And think about it like about Joydash . They were designed to fit like really tight .
Speaker 2I couldn't stand my Jordan , yes , hey so you're not breathing those things .
Speaker 1I'm going to tell you like this I couldn't stand him because , like when all my clothes get dirty , there was like the last , my last resort . I got to wear the Jordan and the night before , man , I would just stuff them with with stuff to just expand the legs , man . It's like all types of things in those pants Legs just to expand it so they could be loose the next day , but it never worked . It's like they're like spandex man . Oh , I couldn't stand jordash man .
Speaker 1They look nice on women , though look nice oh yes , oh yes , oh yes , oh yes , man , uh , but damn baby how you get all that nunchucks . Damn baby how you get all that nunchucks . I know that's right . All right , number five Gigolos Get Lonely 2 . Doom , doom .
Speaker 2Doom Doom . I love that song .
Speaker 1Is that your favorite time ballad ? I think I actually .
Speaker 2No , my favorite time ballad is off Pand . Actually . No , oh , it's no , it's not . No . My favorite time ballot is off pandemonium . Sometimes I get lonely . Okay , that's the one . Okay it is . I like , I love that one yeah , just uh , that song man .
Speaker 1Just it seemed like , if that song fit uh maurice day's persona and it seemed like when he was singing it seemed like that's how he really was in real life . That's how I looked at it like he was . He was a pimp yeah , yeah , yeah uh , man , that's just . I just like the bass to that , the drums just yeah , it's a good , that's a good composition , man . Um , but it said the composition credit to morris on the label . Uh , I think , I think Morris probably played the drums in this session .
Speaker 2Do you know that ? Yes , yes , I did know that .
Speaker 1Then the last one , which is a good song I Don't Want to Leave you . I like that song .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's a lot better than the other side , the song that closed outside One . They want to beat somebody and get that out of here .
Speaker 1Yeah , this is a good tempo song . I like mid-tempo songs and it's just , it's a nice feel-good song , you know , and um ,
The Time: What Time Is It Album
Speaker 1yeah , just , I think it's underrated when you people bring up the songs , by the time that song get left out a lot . All right , man , we in the atmosphere , we getting into altitude , uh , 1999 , released october 27 , 1982 . Man , this one man's , put this , put prince in the forefront , um mtv , all of that . He even changed his dance style . You know , before , I would say before 1999 , he danced like stewart ross , stewart or mick jagger . Now he's starting to do his own dance move , the splits , a little bit . He'll incorporate a little James Brown . This one I started to imitate him . The other stuff before that I was not imitating them , but of this one , yeah , it was a reference point because I saw a little James Brown and you know he started to become a band leader . So it was just , he was just coming into the own . And so , while before we get into the tracks of this album , can you name me your favorite five Prince albums ?
Speaker 2Silence of Times . Okay , far and away the best . There's so many . Now let me , before I answer this so we're talking Prince albums , not Prince albums that he wrote for the people . Prince albums , prince albums , all right . Npg albums count .
Speaker 1Yeah , if you wanted to , yeah .
Speaker 2Okay , let's see . Sign of the Times Love Symbol . Love , the Love Symbol album 1999 , dirty Mind and Musicology .
Speaker 1Okay , good choices . Mine are 1999 , the sophomore album , prince , dirty Mind , sign of the Times and Purple Rain . Those are mine . Are you one of those Prince fans ? People get people dog , the people that really love the 80's Prince music . Are you one of those that scoff at that ?
Speaker 2no , no , no , I'm not one of those , but I am one who will just scoff at the casual fan , because I was at the Third Eye Girls show back in 2013 . That was so long ago and they're playing . She's Always in my Hair and some peasant rolled up on me . What song is this ? I'm like oh my God , go away . Yeah , yeah , go away .
Speaker 1I'm like , oh my .
Speaker 2God , go away . Yeah , Go . You know cause ? The thing is , the third eye girl shows were in like a in a theater setting , so it weren't that many seats and those seats were very expensive . Yeah , bad man . It's like if you're spending that kind of money , you better know what they're playing , man , you should , you know . And the same thing with piano on a microphone . You know he's playing a few things . And the woman next to me said oh , what's this ? I'm like , oh shit , seriously , seriously , man , this , I mean , if a person loves Purple Rain , I dig it , that's great , but you have to know there's more to his catalog than that .
Speaker 2That's like me walking into a Rolling Stones show and expecting to hear give me shelter and not knowing anything else . Yeah , yeah , I was like nah man , you don't want to be . You don't want to be that guy .
Speaker 1No , no , uh , this one man is such a great album , double album , uh , I think , when it was released , when I remember , I remember when it first was released on dv , on dvd , I think dance music , sex , romance was old minute , right are you ?
Speaker 2aware of that one um yes , I remember that on the cd . Yes , yeah , it was amazing oh yes , I remember buying it at tower records . I I just started college here in sacramento . I went to the tower because , yeah , cds coming out . Yeah , wait a minute when Something's missing . Yeah , and I had the writing on the cover . Due to the length of the album , we had to omit the song .
Speaker 1And then there was some versions in UK that omitted that . I think it omitted International Lover and another song , I can't remember , but it was like three songs but they took two , really yeah . But then they said later they re-released it and put everything on there like it's in that book . That , uh , all the songs , man , um , but yeah , that's just , that's just messed up . I couldn't even imagine getting a copy with all those songs omitted , copy with all those songs omitted . So let's go , man , let's go to these tracks one by one .
Speaker 2I love these man . Let's see . Okay , okay , major announcement . Now what's that ? When we get into this , there will be some 80s references that are going to come out . Okay , that I have to own that I was a part of , okay .
Speaker 1We'll leave it at that , all right . Uh , man , he hit you hard with the first song in 1999 , which was people say was prophetic . Uh , I love the , just the energy of it , and my favorite parts of any songs is usually the bridge and then the outro and and this one , he , he goes into a jam session like don't you want to go 1999 ? Oh , I got a lion in my pocket ready to roar , I mean I love that .
Speaker 1That's a great line , oh great line I just it's one of my still one of my favorite prince songs . Uh , a lot of people say it's all overplayed , but I can never get , I'll never get if it's overplayed , that must mean it's pretty good yeah it never gets over me . It's timeless . Timeless , just like this next one too , a little red corvette . I mean , you can't think about prince without thinking about a little red corvette , and that okay , here we go , let's
1999: Prince's Breakthrough Album
Speaker 1do this .
Speaker 2Here's from one of those times okay all right , major , major confession . What's that ? I locked myself in the in the room from a month to get that step down and I got it down , which you know we go which step ? You know we go uh , huh , yeah , yeah yeah , I got that step down and you did the leg swing too , the leg swing , the leg swing , the kick , the shuffle .
Speaker 2I got it all . Okay the spin . I got it all down and I was at a party and I told someone yeah , I did this . She's like you can't do this . I'm like , oh , let's take it outside . And they put it on . I said , get out of the way , Get out of the way . I'm just standing there waiting for that part . And I just went into it . They're like , oh my God , that is funny , man , I love it . First people started laughing , Then it's like okay , he's getting .
Speaker 1I just told you , like I just prefaced man , he started coming to his own doing his own dance stuff . So you didn't mimic any of the Dirty Mind dance . No , none of that . Another proper song , delirious man . I don't know all these songs are renamed or have been . They released his singles so the lyrics was nice little rockabilly song I could see . You know , like a little Elvis type , I can see Elvis shaking his hips the delirium .
Speaker 1Oh man , the pompadour moving . Man , you can't tell me it wasn't inspiring . Come on , man , it's all Elvis . So much to me , man .
Speaker 2The more I read as an adult , and lately I've read a lot more articles about Elvis man . I'm talking to you , chuck D . In the Fight the Power power song he says elvis , we're the racist blah , blah . Not even remotely close to the truth . No , you know , elvis . Um , he went to see the jackson five in vegas when they were just coming out and he told people on his show . He said look , jackson , if I'm going to be here next week , come check him out . And he had black backup singers and they went to a place in Texas and the mayor or whoever was saying you can't bring them here . I was like , oh , is that right ? Not only are we going to bring them here , he brought them all in a limo procession through the city good , letting them know what time it is . And those fingers and a couple were still with us and they just , they just loved him and he was such a kind man , very kind , I'm like man giving elvis very giving , very giving .
Speaker 2Uh , I mean , leave elvis alone .
Speaker 1Yeah , he's a good dude , I grew up on elvis . Mom played elvis . We had , we had a couple albums . We had the live album . Yeah , the live album . Are you doing karate , uh ?
Speaker 2okay , man . Um , you know , I just thought about that . Now , like everything , elvis , I'm surprised elvis , as far as I know , during his karate phase , never incorporated that song into his act . I know , right , everybody was going for a fight . I love that song Okay .
Speaker 1Oh man , let's pretend , we Wait , wait , wait .
Speaker 2Before we go to the next slide . Now see , here's one of those times I mentioned at the top of this uh album in 1982 . So I can say this to you , because you won't give me too much more time , I hope no , you're good man I was at the gym and , in addition to my weightlifting and all that , I was in the class of aerobicized with the ladies . I was in the class of aerobicize with the ladies and what they would do ? The teacher would have this big boom box and she would just play all of side one of 1999 .
Speaker 2Just let it play and we would be doing our little exercises . And no , I did not wear leg warmers , but I was in that class . It's funny , I know , I had to get it off my chest .
Speaker 1Oh man . Okay , let's be Timmy , mary man . Okay , let's be Timmy and Mary man . Yeah , that's a nice man , just the lyrics man . Let's be Timmy and Mary and go all night . I love that song , I know .
Speaker 2I do .
Speaker 1Come on babe , oh yeah , yes , good song . Come on babe , oh yeah , yes , good song . And number five Dance Music , sex , romance , everybody , everybody , all right .
Speaker 2When I first heard that studio version , I'm like , okay , this can work . And then , years later , when I saw him on the Musicology tour and he did it and he changed the lyrics , I'm like hey . And then he was like , look , look , I'm a different cat than if you want to hear that original version , buy the album . I'm like I heard that man , you know , because I want to do it a different way and it's my song and I can do that . I respected that . Yeah , you know , because I want to do it a different way and it's my song , I can do that . Yeah , I respected that . I'm like , all right , that'll work , that'll work .
Speaker 1Yeah , he's a different phase in his life .
Speaker 2Exactly . There's nothing wrong with that ?
Speaker 1No , not at all . Side three A-O-T-O-Matic All right , oh man , this man . There's not one skippable song on this album .
Speaker 2Did you see the automatic video ? Yes , got a little kinky . There Got a little kinky .
Speaker 1And I love this time Jill Jones was in the band and stuff .
Speaker 1And killing that black person oh man , yeah , the stories that she tells about her and they kill him , that black person . Oh , oh man . Oh yeah , yeah , the things are the stories that she tells about her friends in this , this , this round is time where Vanity was paying her , you know , like Prince put her into the background . He said that was the time when his lead singer used to get their own background singer , but Prince put her in there and Vanity had to pay her . And then it was just awkward because , you know , he had a relationship with Susan and he had this relationship with Vanity and he had a relationship with her and they would say they would be . They say sometimes she said sometimes they'd be all together but Prince won't be around . Like , if we are here , who is he with ?
Speaker 2Who's he with now ? Know , it's like somebody needs to pull Princess side talking to play the player . Yeah , like Prince .
Speaker 1Come on , man , you too close to home with this one now , man man he had a harem man oh , let's see , uh , all right , I had a hair on the tour bus a recipe for disaster yeah , and it was . They had different levels . He said they took solace of being like the major ones and they at least they weren't the one night standers like man wow , come on , they got down to that . Uh , yeah , it had to do something to your self-esteem , you know , you know it's just I , I don't get it .
Speaker 2You know it's like dude , this is your , your livelihood and your band and your other band . And , dude , you can't be doing this man yep .
Speaker 1Anybody say don't crap what you eat . Anybody say don't crap what you eat . You know , don't crap what you eat Exactly . How do you feel about something in the water ?
Speaker 2You know I was . I liked it , but again , the version on the box set is much better . It is , yeah , Much better . I don't know why he chose the other version instead of this version to release . Maybe it was longer , I don't know . But that to me is the definitive version on it .
Speaker 1Yeah , I still . I mean , when I put this album on , I just let it go . Like I said , for me it's no skippable songs , there's no failures , it's just a masterpiece . Well see , that's where we're going to disagree . Oh you don't think it's a masterpiece ?
Speaker 2No , it's a masterpiece . There's one that I will tend to skip .
Speaker 1And we haven't gotten there yet .
Speaker 2Not yet , not yet .
Speaker 1Moving on Number eight , free , how you feel Now we've gotten there ? Are you serious , oh ?
Speaker 2he just doesn't work for me . Oh so inspirational , but it's very heavy handed too , though it is , that's the thing you can be inspiring , and not be heavy handed to the point of being almost a caricature . You know like , come on , man .
Speaker 1Would you call it pretentious , very pretentious , very pretentious ? I'm like this isn't genuine man , come on .
Speaker 2We can do better than this . Yeah , it's one of my favorite man .
Speaker 1I just For some reason , when you said that , when you said that what you said about this album that's like and I looked at the list , I'm like he can't meant . He can't , he can't mean any of the songs on side , for so it has to be free . It had to be . Okay , the message is grace , don't get me wrong .
Speaker 2It had to be Okay . Again , the message is grace , don't get me wrong , come on . I said something similar about the ladder during our Around the World podcast and they came for me . I'm sure I said what I said . Dammit .
Speaker 1Hello , all right Side for Lady Cab Driver man . Come on , oh yeah . And this is all . That's Jill Jones at the end of the song , right , yes , yes , yeah he . Just because she said a lot of her songs were just . She said she , she called him primal . She said we never made love music , it was always primal .
Speaker 1And that is a lot right there . Yes , she said , when they made music it was always physical and so the fact that he , he name and he name and things he doing these pumps for , uh , he naming , he naming things he he doing these pumps for was part of my favorite part of this song man .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , that's for you .
Speaker 1That's what that was for . That was for .
Speaker 2Oh , I paid you what you need to do that scream is funny out there . That was funny man oh man , some people were saying at the time oh man , he's raping . I'm like he ain't raping nobody , they're in the back end of doing their thing and she hit it perfectly . It was primal . That's what was going on back there . This ain't about romance . This is about let's figure it out , like okay cool .
Speaker 1Yeah , this is .
Speaker 2Lady Cab Job , not not extra lovable , exactly , exactly , and I used to love that song too . Then I heard that one mix like oh , yeah , yeah , that's , that's a no .
Speaker 1I really wanted them like edit that out and put it on the , on the on the box set , but they omitted that song . I just , I just love it .
Speaker 2Like , why even invite drama ? Yeah , because I mean I know you and I have heard it and I'm sure a lot of our listeners have heard it , but the overwhelming majority haven't heard the song that or that version .
Speaker 1Yeah , that version , it's a buzz kill , come on . Oh yeah , we would not say that word , no it doesn't hold up over time .
Speaker 2It doesn't hold up . Well , it's like P yeah , you need to leave that one on .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , I still listen to it , but when it gets to that I turn the volume down and then when that section goes off , I turn it back up .
Speaker 2But yeah , my portion , or my preferred version of that song is a live version he did at the Chicago Winery . I don't know if you were aware that back in the day , back in the day , back when he was doing a Third Eye Girl thing , they were doing like Third Eye Girl TV . Did you know that ? No , they were doing this on their own on the third eye girl website and they would just upload clips . And he uploads the clips , a clip of them , the band playing uh , extra lovable , and it was on fire . I'm like this needs to come out , yeah . And then someone mentioned about the other version , like , do I have it ? I'm looking through all my archives like , oh , here's one , let's play this . Oh , okay , yeah , yeah , yeah , we can't . Can't let that one out .
Speaker 1No , can't let that one out . Uh , okay , autocry number 10 auto critics what you think about ?
Speaker 2that you know , to me that was kind of I'm not going to say throw away and give that impression , but it was something like a little I'm trying to find a word better than filler . Yeah , it was . It's like a placeholder .
Speaker 1Okay , you know but I like it , I do like it in fact , here we go again .
Speaker 2There is a bootleg of him Edit that out Of him in Denmark , I believe , and they're doing that song and he broke it down . He's like break it down Dun , dun , dun dun , then he's all go ahead , candy , and then she just does her sax solo .
Speaker 1I'm like , okay , live is a killer yeah , I can imagine uh you , that word , just you uh recently used . I have have some concerts we'll call them imports , yeah man , yeah , going back , going back and listen and watch those . Man , I wish I was able to see those when it was a real time , but too young I I didn't see my mom allowing me to see those shows . But , man , I missed out and I missed out , but I'm glad I got .
Speaker 1I got a chance to see it , though in hindsight yeah all right , we're coming to the end , and I love the way this album ends with international love . The original .
Speaker 2Mac song . Yeah , yeah , yeah , because back in the day I had my little little seat , my cassettes labeled Mac , just put that in . Oh , baby , you know what ?
Speaker 1time it is let let's go , man . Like I said , all my Mac songs ended up with that song , and sometimes I , man , I remember having it on the love tape more than once . It's just a performance song .
Speaker 2It's just that good yeah .
Speaker 1Hey , I'm glad I'm having happy on it , because I know I love that . You're a music snob and and I've been wanting to ask you this question , man , because we about to go on to the last album of this leg before we end this podcast , which is , uh , sheila e's glamorous life . But , uh , we talked about vanity six and we know that rick james and , uh , rick james and prince was in competition , so , uh , he , he released the mary jane girls , which was a great group . It had some hits . What do you think about the mary jane girl , mary jane girls and processing the do racks ?
Speaker 2I thought the Mary Jane girls first album was outstanding .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2And if , if people are going to pair that to vanity six , vanity six losers . Sorry , yeah . That album was awesome Processing and the do rags . I thought it was a novelty act .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2They were stomping , shouting . That was it .
Speaker 1Yeah , this just the , just the , just the look , the aesthetic of it . You know the album and just like it was playing , like you said , as a novelty , but like it was playing too much on the time , or at least morris's part of .
Speaker 2Yeah , they're trying too hard to bite the time . And the thing is , the time can play . Yeah , that's the thing . If you want to do a battle of the bands with that band , you will lose process the durag .
Speaker 1Well , I think one name was shorty . I can't think of all the names , but it was just thought it was hilarious man exactly you can't tell people I'm one of the durags baby .
Speaker 2No , that doesn't really ring there ?
Speaker 1No , not at all Okay . And so we get into Sheila . So we're going to ask you a question what is your favorite Prince protege project or act oh time ? Oh , besides them . Oh besides them , because that's easy , oh besides the time yeah besides the time , yeah , besides .
Speaker 2That's why I should just say it I gotta say sheila , based off the energy of her first two albums yes the third one yeah , yeah but the first one hit like a nuclear bomb because I knew who she was . She's a bay area girl , you know , and so she would buy her drums and percussion equipment at leo's music , where I used to hang out , and that's how I got my job working with journey , hanging out at leo's music okay and so she would .
Speaker 2I never met her , but she'd come in and they had her picture up on the walls and all that , like who's that ? She leave who she ? No , no , no , she wasn't she Lee , yet she was a . She left her Vito mm-hmm and had a picture , couple pictures . She's really pretty girl , obviously yes and then one day I'm just flipping channels I see George Duke doing dookie stick .
Speaker 1If she's playing drums .
Speaker 2Yes , I'm like , I know her and then she's in the Lila Richie video running with the night . Yeah , I'm like what's know her . And then she's in the Lila Richie video running with the night . I'm like what's going on here ? And then they bring out Glamorous Life . I didn't even recognize her at first . They cleaned her up real well .
Speaker 1Man . Out of all the protégés she exuded Prince . When I used to see her , I saw her as a female Prince , especially in Glamorous Life the way she moved , the way she looked . And I'm friends with on Facebook , her sister Zena . So , yeah , we've been friends on Facebook for a long time , and so you had this album , I'm sure , right , of course , and I did not , so I was . I know the Bell of St Mark , of course , and the Glamorous Life , and so what did you ? And New Rendezvous , so , and Strawberry Shortcake .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's the one . That's the one .
Speaker 2That's the Jesse Johnson composition there . That's the cut .
Speaker 1He don't even get credit on there , man .
Speaker 2Initially he did . Yeah , initially he did and then he didn't .
Speaker 1But his credit on the Bell and St Mark though .
Speaker 2Yes , yes . Yeah , I'm curious , I'm going to pull that up on the copyright . See what it says .
Speaker 1Yes , and he was putting out press , was putting a lot of eps for his protege acts , man , um and very short albums . But , man , that , just that glamorous life to me stood out out of all the songs . Like you said , short berry , straw cake those two songs for me stood out . It seemed like they were like made in a different session . All together , man , it seemed like they seemed like those songs were made on a different , you know just almost a different time period . For me , when I listen back to it , uh , what do you think about it ?
Speaker 2you like all the songs I like them all and the thing is and I didn't know this until recently prince wrote them all . Yeah , I thought he just helped her out with this .
Speaker 1No , he wrote it all .
Speaker 2Yeah , you know , second album , same thing . He wrote it all . I'm like , wow , just to be that talented . And just to now a lot of people say he just gave it away . No , he owns those songs
Sheila E and Prince's Protégés
Speaker 2. That's not going to twist it , yeah , but if he gives you this music to do your thing with and you can't make a career out of it , that's on you , because he gave you the ammunition to do what you need to do .
Speaker 1Absolutely . I know he went , when you say gave , like he felt that he gave . What I'm gonna know is the circle said that he gave some of his best music to the time and so he felt like he had to compete with himself . He would go back into the studio and do more music to compete with the music that he gave to the time , which all those songs are just exceptional , man , and I'm glad he gave it to the time , though , uh , I just couldn't imagine I was watching .
Speaker 2I was watching like the um time concert footage from the what Time Was it tour . They were amazing . I could see how they were killing the revolution every night . They were just so good and they rehearsed all day and it showed . It definitely showed .
Speaker 1One thing I failed to mention . It was a story that I recently heard , uh , brown mark talks about on the 1999 tour and they were , uh , they were performing , uh , why you want to treat me so bad , and so you know , and they do a little routine and stuff like that . And when he does and prince go together and do a little routine and uh , he said prince was just getting so excited he , he forgot the routine and so what he did was he . He kicked brown mark in the chest . He said wow . He said brown mark said you know , because he's much bigger than prince , he barely moved . He said so Prince went back and did a running , a drop kick and Bruce Lee kick . He said Prince say yell , pow . He said he fell into the stanchion of the to the drums man . He said he recovered man and Prince was about to come again .
Speaker 1And he said he recovered man and prince was about to come again and he said he grabbed the guitar man and held it like a bat man and um , but you know , uh , he said he was so upset and he was about to quit the band that night and chick chick you know he said he had a relationship with chick chick came to his room and told him you know this , you know prince , you know how prince is man , just give him a break . And and prince didn't like to apologize . He didn't apologize verbally , but he would try to apologize by deed or something . And he said he just walked up to him and just acted like nothing ever happened . And he said , man , but you kicked me in my chest , man . He said well , it's part of the act , man . You know , it's like slam dancing , he's like no man , you kicked me in my chest .
Speaker 1We had to go right . Have you heard this ? Maybe he had a boot man . It was like a high heel booty kick you in your chest and you get you tumble into the riser man well , here's something interesting .
Speaker 2all right , go ahead . According to the copyright database , the song is registered as Strawberry Strawcake , yeah , and not Shortcake .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I did not know that .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm . Strawberry Strawcake .
Speaker 2Okay , okay , prince , I see you . You know I'm slick .
Speaker 1What have you seen ? Have you seen who got the credit on these boys ?
Speaker 2I'm trying to pull it up , but I just can't get that thing up yet though . Okay , Because yeah , wait , wait . You said shortberry straw cake . Yeah , I said shortberry straw cake . Has that been the title the whole time and I've just been reading it wrong all these years .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , that's it , oh Lord .
Speaker 2Oh Lord yeah .
Speaker 1Because it's so easy to say it the other way and I just always like catch myself because it's easy to say strawberry shortcake , but yeah , shortberry .
Speaker 2Oh man , I was trying to be a snob too . See , see , humility , humility . I did not know that . Yeah , there it is . Yep , there it is . Wow , okay , it says here by Jamie Starr , which we all know who that is . Wow , Okay , it says here by Jamie Starr , we all know who that is .
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2Jamie Starr . Jamie Starr . Jamie Starr , performed by Sheila . Yeah , yeah , he took Jesse off . That's cold . That's cold man , that's cold-blooded man . Come on , P . You know you're wrong .
Speaker 1Yeah , he did that man . He did that with Kiss and other songs man yeah he could be petty .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , yeah . He wrote Kiss .
Speaker 1Now Maserati rearranged it , yeah yeah , right , right , right , but you know , it was just differently , the tone of the song was just different . But uh , once he , once he heard the brown mark , put his special sauce on it , he was like , oh man , I got to have that . He said it sounded better when I do it , and it did .
Speaker 2I'm sure what you think about maserati , though , you know I didn't really know about them until like since doing the podcast really , and I would watch players ball video . That was my favorite song by them and then I watched was 100 miles an hour , 100 miles , like that yeah yep , first of all , they wore too much damn makeup , too much , way too much makeup , and they look like a little bit like later years of the Deal .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2But it wasn't anything remarkable to me . It didn't really catch me on fire .
Speaker 1No , no , I don't know about their music . I mean like musicianship , I've never seen them in concert and so I don't know if they're really real good musicians . But if Brown Mark signed them , I guess they were , you know . Uh , I think he vouched for him .
Speaker 2I've never heard him , though yeah , because a lot of people you know to this day I mean , I mean they weren't the time and that's an unfair comparison , obviously . Yeah , but they couldn't go out there and hold an audience . The time could do that .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I'm still kicking myself for not going to see them . Well , they were at the . They did a residency in Vegas . The original members . I'm like I need to go to this . But of course I didn't go because I'm an idiot , and now they're not doing it anymore . Yeah , I should have gone to that .
Speaker 1Man . All right , man , yeah , I should have gone to that man . All right , man , we are at the end of it . So , uh , thank you for your time , man . Uh , hey , I just came up , I just came up with an idea . Uh , when you said music's not , I'm gonna hit you up again and see if you want to do a episode called music Book Presents the Music Snob , and it's going heavy and deep into some music .
Speaker 2We can do that , but I think we shouldn't call it Music Snob , because I don't want to look like we're stepping on Arthur's deal .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2Because , arthur , that's a term that he's used on his podcast for years .
Speaker 1I'm out of the way then .
Speaker 2See , I don't want to look like we're trying to bite his deal , a term that he's used on his podcast for years . Okay , I'm out of the way . Yeah , see , I don't want to look like we're trying to bite his his deal . We don't want to do that I mean , but the phrase fits . I'm a music snob , we don't do this but he put it out there first .
Speaker 2So I gotta , I gotta respect that . I just find a nice sweet synonym . Uh , you know , we'll call it something else and then , once we start it , but of course your , music snobs .
Speaker 1Yeah , yes , I know liner notes . Give me the liner notes , man . I was like man , we'll go buy album . Put the headphones on , crank it up and open up and just look . Read the liner notes , read the lyrics I missed that I know man it was such an experience .
Speaker 1I would just go to the record store , spend hours , man , and not then spend hours at the record store . Spend hours , man , and not then spend hours at the record store . Then get home , spend hours listening to it , reading the liner notes and seeing who was behind the scene and producing oh man , what an experience , man .
Speaker 2I remember when I was a kid I was really influenced by the Ohio players and , unlike the Beatles , who had real names , or the Rolling Stones , who had real names , ohio players were like Sugar , pee-wee , diamond and all that . And then , once I discovered Lighter Notes , I'm like , oh , I can see who's who now . Oh , okay , sugar's real name is Leroy . Okay , cool , all right .
Speaker 1Now I got it now , man . You said Ohio , it's players . I couldn't get past the album cover . Man Didn't even get to the liner notes . Are you kidding me ? Oh my God , they're infamous for their album covers , man .
Speaker 2Yeah , Honey , and Contradiction stepped out stand out the most .
Speaker 1Yes , woo .
Speaker 2Spire is a close second too .
Speaker 1Yeah , by the same fire . I was just man . We had the album . I would just open it up and just like look at it . Man , when mine wasn't around , I was just looking at the album . Oh man , all right , mark man , all right , mark man . Thanks for your time , man .
Speaker 2It is my pleasure . I do apologize about the time mix-up my fault .
Speaker 1Oh , no , man , we had to get it out , but you know it's Prince man . Happy birthday to him . And shout out to the Purple family and everybody else who are celebrating at Paisley Park and all that . And , like I always say , man , keep those classes current .
Speaker 2There it is Peace . Thank you .
