The MuzicBook Podcast
A podcast devoted to classic music, movies, and television. The slogan for this podcast is "Keep The Classics Current" and that's the spirit of the podcast. Hosted by Sean Hicks, music lover and historian.
The MuzicBook Podcast
D.M.S.R. A Podcast Series On Prince Pt. 3 (1984-1985)
Prince transformed the 1980s music landscape with Purple Rain, creating a cultural phenomenon that catapulted him from musical innovator to global superstar. The album and film dominated the Billboard charts while introducing audiences to the electric performances of Morris Day and The Time.
• Purple Rain sold over 23 million copies worldwide
• The album spent 24 consecutive weeks at number one on Billboard
• "When Doves Cry" stayed at number one for five weeks during summer 1984
• Morris Day's charismatic performance stole the film
• Prince finished recording Around the World in a Day before the Purple Rain tour began
• The Time's "Ice Cream Castle" album featured the hits "Jungle Love" and "The Bird"
• Jesse Johnson launched his solo career after leaving The Time
• Prince deliberately avoided making "Purple Rain Part 2" with his psychedelic follow-up album
• Around the World in a Day showed Wendy & Lisa's growing influence on Prince's sound
• Romanian fans have enthusiastically embraced the podcast's Prince coverage
Keep those classics current! We appreciate all the love from our fans, especially those in Romania.
music bookers. Welcome back to the music book podcast. Again we're back continuing the uh podcast on prince, dance music, sex romance podcast on prince and again I'm joined by mark big sexy wiggins. What's up, my brother?
Speaker 2:what's going on, man? You know. Another weekend, uh, ready to rock. Another week down in the books, another week of doing my thing in the courtroom, and now I'm going to relax and talk music ah, that's the love doing that.
Speaker 1:Hey, I also want to thank you, man, your time, uh, you don't know how much you blessed me on this podcast. Uh, for some reason I don't know if it's you or Prince man, but I got it's a big following Romania.
Speaker 2:It ain't me. I didn't know what they followed you for.
Speaker 1:I didn't know they followed you from the other podcast, whatnot. But, brother, when I tell you, we got more, I have more people listening to this podcast in Romania than I do the States. Wow, yes, cool.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you, Romania Cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to give a shout out to those people and I also want to give you a shout out. I mean crazy positive feedback. People love our chemistry, people think you're funny, uh. So yeah, they said uh, uh, that the first podcast was, in their opinion, are my best podcast to date as far as music books. So I hey, I take that man. Uh, you know I'm getting better at it and I'm glad you're here. Man, give us some of your wisdom on this guy. We, we love prince no wisdom that's.
Speaker 2:Uh, I don't know about all that, but only way to get better at anything is repetition. You keep doing it and just keep getting better and better absolutely, absolutely so.
Speaker 1:Uh, the last episode we left off on glamorous life, uh, which was in uh 84. So, uh, like before, I like to, um, you know, talk about things that was going on in that time period, so 84. The hottest movies at the time was, uh, indiana jones and the temple of doom. Ghostbusters, yeah, ghostbusters, yeah, ghostbusters, absolutely. I think. I saw that twice at the theater. Gremlins was another one. I saw a couple of times at the theater the Karate Kid, the Terminator, beverly Hills Cop, nightmare on Elm Street and Splash.
Speaker 2:Splash was great.
Speaker 1:John Candy and Tom Hanks I was in heaven yes, hey, don't forget, man daryl hannah, yes, uh, yeah, she, she definitely got me out my seat. Um, especially that scene, uh, when she was in the in the department store, when she was doing the she was doing the aerobics or whatever you remember that part the guy said we'll just let her. Just, you know, we'll let her continue doing. She's doing. But yeah, do you remember the songs that were out around that time?
Speaker 2:you know, uh, I want a new drug. Huey lewis sounded like ghostbusters behind that. Yeah, say, say say say, say, say, yeah, uh, madonna was just starting to come out yeah, yeah, they got Karma Chameleon Roy. George and the Culture Club. They were huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and from.
Speaker 2:there you got to go Duran Duran. They were doing their thing too.
Speaker 1:Van Halen, jump, jump. I think they did Jump was big Five weeks at number one, footloose, couldn't stand footloose. Yeah, what about hello? Hello is it?
Speaker 2:me. I'm glad, glad you mentioned mr lilano. If you know this and I just heard it last night the man is doing his autobiography. Um, they're taking pre-order toward. It comes out at the end of the month and it is 492 pages long, tells me. He's not leaving anything out.
Speaker 2:This is gonna be good yeah you know, I read the the um biography from thomas mcclary, the guitar player for the commodores, and he was also one of the writers. But lionel was the main writer and he said the band essentially pushed lionel out because lyle kept writing all the all the ballads and he brought, they brought, he brought them a lady and they're like no, no, no, no, yeah, we don't do any ballads, all that. And they pushed him out. Lionel's like fine, and thomas was like this is a mistake and lionel took his little ballad, gave it to kenny rogers and kimmy blew up with it and lionel did his little ballot gave it to Kenny Rogers and Kenny blew up with it and Lionel did his thing and he went from being a part of something to being the king of adult contemporary.
Speaker 1:I love how you see the, how the sausage is made. You know you pull back the curtain and see all that and man. I just love those stories and I heard some of that story which you told me, but yeah, uh, that's just if you think back, like why did they push that?
Speaker 2:and that that group was never the same once he left that no, no, they did have the one hit night shift, which is a great song yeah, it is yes, but after that nothing.
Speaker 1:It was. That was that walter orrence left. It led the group in. Was he the lead?
Speaker 2:walter was really the leader in the, you know from the as the factor leader and you know brickhouse was his, yeah, and but everything else was lionel's, yeah, you know. And the bass player, ronald lapred, I believe his name was. They'll be like, yeah, man, we want to do more of this, more of that, right? And I was like, look, I write what I write, man, yeah, and the, the ballads are selling. But, I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's some haterade in there. Usually we have those groups, man. When somebody gets something to shine or doing the shine or more of the heavy load, those people tend to get pushed out. It's just crazy how that works out.
Speaker 2:Well, and the best thing that happened with this for lionel is I learned this in um and thomas's book. Hopefully lionel will talk about it in his book as well when they signed the commodores, they didn't sign lionel to a publishing contract. So when he left all that publishing he did, you know, for the commodores and the solo stayed his. For the Commodores and the solo stayed his. Barry got none of that, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, man, let's see. I want to go back to right in the middle of the 1999 tour. That's when I started to hear that, uh, dad started dissing himself with the band, you know, he started wanting to go solo, go in his own direction. Um, he and he eventually left, but he, he left. He left on good terms, though, and then came wendy, because she was, you know, lisa's friend and the story behind all that, and uh, I think prince, prince are, uh, they were. She was backstage and he had asked her, like can you play controversy? And uh, she killed it, and he hit lisa up, like how would you feel if your girlfriend was in the band? And she was like I would love it? And there you, there you go, let's go Okay.
Speaker 2:She came at the right time too, oh perfect, okay, 19.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about the soundtrack and, of course, the movie as well. So, okay, 1984. Purple Rain was released June 25th 1984. So over 23,000, 000, I mean 23 million, copies. After four weeks on the charts, it reached number one on august 4th. Man, it spent 24 consecutive weeks at number one on the hot billboard 200 from August man, uh, and this is the album I mean, of course, I mean it. Just it just shot him in the stratosphere, um, make them household name. You know, not only was it a great album, but it was a um great movie. So what was your experience when you first heard the album for the first time? Do you remember what you were doing and all that?
Speaker 2:I remember exactly what I was doing. I heard the single when Doug's Cry was at a little house party and the DJ was like, yeah, man, it's the new Prince. I'm like I didn't hit it and I played that guitar riff. I didn't like it. I did not like to open a guitar riff, I didn't. I'm like, well, that's weird. And then it starts to crank up a little bit. I'm like I don't know about this one, I'm not certain.
Speaker 2:And then I saw the movie later on. I'm like, okay, now it makes sense. And the thing I was both excited about the movie, but I was also disappointed because we didn't have, you know, social media and the internet back then. And I knew actually I didn't know that Jimmy Jam and Terry weren't in the band anymore. And so I'm looking at the time, I'm all excited.
Speaker 2:I see Jesse, I'm like who's the white guy? Yeah, and I'm like I'm just going to sound really appropriate. I don't mean mean sound this way. I'm like he's the wrong white guy when. Where's Monty? You know, monty left too. I'm like, oh man, but their performances stole the movie. He really did. I mean, the time was something to see and I was assuming, when the tour happened'm thinking, okay, fine, it's gonna be the time apollonia and prince let's go, let's go. And then the tickets come out and it's like prince and sheila, I'm like what, and I was like I knew there was something going on, I just didn't know how to, how to decipher it. Yeah, and as far as the film, I was looking at some of the uh scenes the other day a lot of things you couldn't get away with today. In that movie?
Speaker 1:Not at all yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially the treatment of women. Nah you can't do that. Can't do that. You can't have your hero smacking women around, that ain't cool, okay. And of course Morris' flunky was throwing them in dumpsters. Fellas, fellas. No, we can't do this. This is not good, not good, but I did like Wendy's. Her character really, her personality really comes through. So does Bobby? Bobby really comes through.
Speaker 1:Prince needed that, he needed to be challenged. So I definitely appreciated Wendy challenging him. You know he gave it back to him. Like man, you say a lot of crap. I'm going to make sure, I'm going to try to keep you in your place and keep you grounded and that's how I looked at her relationship with him.
Speaker 1:I remember getting that Wendell's Cry Wendve's Cry was, I think was my favorite song of the whole year and I got that purple 45 with 17 Days on the back as a B-side and I wore that out. And I remember my mom getting the album and I was rushing home because I know she had the album. So I'm rushing home. I think I was at the mall, I spent the spent early that day at the mall and I'll come home and as soon as I walk through the door, uh, I'm hearing these sounds.
Speaker 1:You know, I can, I can tell it's prince, but I never heard these sounds before and I think when I came in the house, uh, I think darling Nikki was on and it was just, and I just was amazed like man. This it just sounded so different from everything that was on the radio, everything that I've heard before, even from him or anyone else, it just was just different and you could just it would just set apart. And I just remember, uh, and then my mom just had it on a loop, she just, you know, she played every song and uh, when I first heard, uh, let's go crazy, or just that guitar riff, and just it's just the energy and it was just so loud, but it was, I like sex to my ears, man, okay, yeah, yeah, uh, so, um, let's get into these tracks, track listenings. First we'll talk about the singles. He released five singles from this album. Uh, when does cry?
Speaker 2:yes, now hold on, hold on you reminded me of something, um and we're gonna call this confessions of big sexy um, when doves cry, and the film was really starting to hit. I saw the video for it. Remember the hat he wore in the when doves cry video oh yeah, oh yeah I had to have one.
Speaker 2:So I bought my little, my little hat and I'd go to the club and have my hat on and every time they play the song and it will get to the to the end part I'll slam my head on the floor like he did that step. Oh yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1:Ah, did you know how to do the crit? Did you not do the crisscrossing? Oh yeah, oh yeah, he couldn't tell me.
Speaker 2:I used to do that too, my first Prince step that I mastered and I'm not a great dancer by any stretch, but my first Prince step was the one in Little Red Corvette. I got that down Down. Oh yeah, Couldn't tell me. Yeah, he owned. Tell me yeah.
Speaker 1:He owned that year 84? Michael Jackson. He was coming down. He was touring with the brothers, so the victory tour was still out. There it was. It was. I didn't get the chance to see it. Unfortunately I didn't get to see it, but that's the only thing that was holding out. Uh, mike was still getting a little play, but prince just overshadowed everyone that year. He just cleaned up and back to the. You know, uh, windows crack came out in may 16th. Let's go crazy july 18th, purple rain september 26th. I will die for you november 28th and I'll take me with you january 25th.
Speaker 2:So yeah, uh hold on.
Speaker 2:One more thing about mr jackson is he was still riding the quest for thriller, don't get me wrong. He was doing doing his thing. But when you, when you read and learn about the whole drama behind the victory tour, you kind of feel bad for the guy. Yeah, yeah, he was ready to do his thing, ready to go out solo with all this, and here they come with their hands out and jermaine's all yeah, we should go out again, we. We aren't you the cat that left us 10 years ago and now we want to go back.
Speaker 1:Now, man ain't that kind of party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but mom talked him into it. She's like.
Speaker 1:He's like look, this is the last time last time, yeah, and I think then he fired joe after that too, so he left his angel he cut joe loose too.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's like. I got to do my thing and I keep telling people when you look at the, the bad tour which went everywhere, yeah, that's what thriller should have been yep, mm-hmm, and even though it still, it did, still did great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not great but it just had too many problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, bad went off without a hitch and Thriller didn't. Nobody wanted to see the brothers at that point. Anyway, sorry guys, it's true Nobody wanted to see them, they wanted to see Michael.
Speaker 1:I think what was going on? Also because the previous Triumph followed Off the Wall, which was great. It was followed Off the Wall, which was great. It was like Off the Wall Part 2. And so that tour was that Triumph tour was excellent and I think they really was trying to recreate that. But Michael was a different entertainer by that time. I mean, he was just, he was on top of the world.
Speaker 2:He was another space, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:And then they did that album, that victory album, which was just crap. Come on, man. Yeah, you're gonna tour behind this.
Speaker 1:Come on and I and I'm, if I'm not mistaken, that they didn't even play any of the songs from that album that will not surprise me uh any of them not surprised me at all.
Speaker 2:I gotta look that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, look that up, because I if any song would be uh stated shock. But I don't even recall that. Only time I I recall seeing a state of shock being performed was uh, usa for africa, and with mick jagger and um tina tina, uh turner. Other than that I ain't. I didn't even see. Yeah, because tour they didn't do torture, which was the other single release from there. Uh, one more. What was it? One more chance from randy which is uh, I don't think he re uh, man, you are right.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at now so the average set list for the victory tour. Want to be starting something? Things I do for you off the wall, human nature, heartbreak, hotel. Shoot out of my life. Then we get a little germane break. Let's give serious and dynamite and tell me I'm not dreaming. Ask us and we go to the Jackson 5,. You know, medley, I want you back. Love you save, I'll be there. Rock with you, lovely, one working day and night. Beat it, billie Jean. Shake your bottom down to the ground, that's it. Mm-hmm, yep, yeah, yeah, jane, shake your body down to the ground, that's it. Yep, wow, yeah, yeah, I do know they did that. Eddie van halen popped up on the dallas leg of the victory tour, but that's really it. Yeah, and nothing from victor. Wow, so we're gonna tour an album and not play the album.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, that makes no sense no, I mean at least torture and you gotta do it give me body and give me torture, and oh, yeah, yeah that's another.
Speaker 1:That's another song that probably won't get any play nowadays.
Speaker 2:This body no, I like bobby, though I don't like that I was looking, though I I don't like that.
Speaker 1:I was looking for me now martin taking the lead and he can dance to it. Yeah, I'm gonna do this thing, like, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, we hey what you think about tricky man you know I love the skits onits on the B side of the singles. Before there was Tricky, there was one called Grace. Yeah, I love that, and you know, because Tricky was just too funny. Yeah, you're so old and you're fat. I love Tricky. You're fucking having form having head ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, man, let's go crazy. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2:You know, I love, like with all people, I love the extended version Me too, you know, because I knew the song going into the movie and I'm watching the opening number 10, and I'm like that's not crazy. And they get into this long version like what is this, what is this? Oh, I got to have this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the only version I listen to.
Speaker 2:Oh, me too. I can't do the 45 anymore.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love the piano on there. He's like ah, Thump, thump, thump, thump.
Speaker 2:Guy piano on there.
Speaker 1:He's like, ah, guy can play play piano better than I can with his foot, that's damn sure. Let's go crazy. Oh man, it makes me gonna. I haven't watched the movie. I'm gonna watch it because of my, my step, my stepdaughter, hasn't seen the movie ever, so I was like you have to see the movie, so when you come over there we're going to watch it together, and so I, because I'm going to have to. You know she's going to have to. I think she's only 30, so she's going to have to have somebody there that's been there.
Speaker 1:It can explain some things. Because I'm sure a lot of these visuals and all that because the movie that just the texture of it, just the coloring of it, it has the coloring of it, it has like a porn. Look to it. If you think about it, it's like it's pornish. But I didn't look at it that way until you said you didn't like, but Tore, one of his books, pointed that out and I was like, yeah, I see what he was coming from. He said, uh, yeah, just anyway all right, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2:It was Trey who said that. I'm not surprised at all. Perfect, that's cool. That's cool, that's his thing. Whatever man who might enjoy it man.
Speaker 1:Well, I can't think of the book, but one of his books was pretty good. The other one was it got more to social, the social part of the Prince's thing, but the other one was more about the music. All right, take me with you.
Speaker 2:The brother never combed his hair, never, no, no, all you have to do is look at him like, come on, man, tighten it up.
Speaker 1:He say he looks like Eric Benet, that's his twin brother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, okay, no, eric Benet can pull that off.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:You're cracking me up over here. All right, what do you think about? Take Me With you.
Speaker 2:You know it's something. It fit the film. It was a good transitional piece. When they're driving around on the motorcycle yeah, apollonia is not a singer. She's not bad, but she's not a singer, and I don't want to call it throwaway. I don't want to be dismissive of it like that, but it's okay. I don't want to be dismissive of it like that, but it's okay. It's not thunderous, but it's not bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it a song that you Did you go out intentionally to play A few times? Yeah, I don't, it's one of those songs. If I'm inside shopping at Walmart or something, I'm like, oh okay, it's one of those songs. If I'm inside shopping at Walmart or something, I'm like, oh okay, it's one of those songs, but I don't intentionally put it on. It's not on any of my Prince playlists that I have, but it's like you were saying it's okay and thinking about that. In the movie, you know, before Vanity quit, they said that the script. When Vanity quit, they had to change the whole script and the whole tone of the movie it was, it was a more. The script was more darker, more sexual. And when, on apollonia, when she uh became the next choice, that, uh, because of her presence, it was more of an innocent. So they had to change it and make the make her character more innocent and naive and it just changed the whole tone of that. Were you aware of that?
Speaker 2:no, no, I was unaware of that at all, but I can see that because, you know, vanity was a seasoned performer. Yeah, you know. And Apollonia nobody knew who she was yeah, ah, and very sultry too okay oh, she was bad, don't get me wrong we can discuss it.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about vanity. Whoo, whoo, oh. Benny was so fine. I had a poster. I had her poster on my wall. I matter of fact, I had vanity next to apollonia on my wall. Uh yeah, both of them were just and I was staying at my grandparents now, and I'm not think back, I was. I'm laughing at the fact that my grandparents allowed me to have those pictures on the wall. But and we talked about the 2436 size two ah, okay, the beautiful ones, that's one. Is that one of your favorite prince ballads?
Speaker 2:it's one of my favorite Prince performances okay you know, because clearly it was designed to put a crowbar in Morris's action. You know which it did and you know the whole. Do you want him and do you want me deal so many cats back? Then? I mean a lot. We're trying to step to women and say that what?
Speaker 1:do you want him?
Speaker 2:baby, what do you want me? I'm like, oh, will you stop? And there was a scene in the movie right before he smacks her a second time. Yeah, if she comes to him I'm gonna join norris's man, what smack. And then prince says do you know, morris? Do you know what he's about? Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So many people were saying that line like give it a rest, guys yeah, it was so many quotables in that movie, like a lot of things that Morris said. I definitely was repeating those to women. I definitely, like you know, my, my cook, gino grass, all of that, just man, he was just such a player, uh.
Speaker 2:Morris stole the movie. He really did, he did, he did his line and their performances yeah, I was.
Speaker 1:I wish he was able to build off of that I wish you could have that momentum going in.
Speaker 2:And well, you know, honestly, I'm going to say it again I wish jimmy and terry and money had been in the movie yeah yeah, and the time was really blown up yeah.
Speaker 1:How do you feel about having the soundtrack with all songs, every song that was in movie on one soundtrack? How do you? How would you feel about having the soundtrack with all songs, every song that was in the movie on one soundtrack? How would you feel about that?
Speaker 2:I wanted that Because I remember at that same time, maybe a couple of years earlier, genesis had a double set called Three Sides Live, and a lot of the albums, or soundtracks too, were double albums. So I'm like, why don't we just do this? You put the Prince stuff on there, you put the two time songs on there, you put Abelone in there, put a couple other incidental things on there, you can do a double album, boom man.
Speaker 1:I think it was a missed opportunity, but also, I mean, he knew what he was doing, I mean, but it would have helped the other, help the time out. But I guess that's when morris's addiction was really bad and prince was just having a hard time uh, dealing with it because that was his boy and, um, also keep in mind, too, that um a lot of this stems from when Prince fired Jimmy and Terry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go, and Morris is like is this my band or not? And Morris kind of just shut down from that point and Monty left out of solidarity. Yeah. And then Jesse's like look, morris is just handing it over to me to do. And Morris didn't really even acknowledge the new guys yeah, yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a lot going on back behind the scenes. Yeah, uh, speaking of Morris, now you're in the best position you could be in. So what's the matter? Your shoes on two times. Let's have some action. Let's have some agnes wigglin. I want some. I think I'm gonna need me a drink.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, I to this day I still say, oh lord, I can't cut, uh, yeah albert, albert magnolia, allow morris day to change the script, because you know he, you know he's like here. What would you say in this situation? And Morris, like okay, and so when he, he gave, they gave him Liberty to change some things. And now they gave him that that gave him the opportunity to shine like he did too.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he took the opportunity and ran with it, oh man and he, you know, he, I think he beforehand, I think before even the movie was even discussed, I think. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was taking uh acting classes yeah, there you go, and then he benefited. You could tell out of everybody that he had a little training in that at all everybody. Uh, wendy seems she seemed like a natural though, uh, but uh, yeah, all right, what about computer blue?
Speaker 2:you know, I liked it back then and then, as a uh, shall we say import, got the long version, and then it was finally released officially. What have you been putting?
Speaker 1:called the hallway that's the one.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's the one.
Speaker 1:Love that, yeah, yeah that's the only version I listen to. I mean, I would let the album version sometimes come on, but I prefer the longer version for sure. Okay, that brings us to darling Nikki. Oh my gosh, this song um in the movie as well. Just how, how is it was all set up? And his back and forth with Morris and stuff like that, and even with Billy Sparks yep oh yeah, did you?
Speaker 1:you think about this too. You know one thing about Prince he had a lot of sexual songs, but anybody. He also had a pocket of songs where he allowed the woman to dominate him yeah oh, yeah, yeah, automatic yeah mm-hmm little red Corvette talking to you now oh yeah uh, little red corvette talking to you now.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, uh, uh, darling nikki of course bae uh, do me baby. And then of course sister, which is like okay, yeah, what are you gonna give him?
Speaker 1:hey. But I would say this though he's he he never confirmed to deny that that happened, but he said that it was. It is a song about incest. He wasn't glorifying it, he was just singing about just telling the story, yeah yeah, there, you know.
Speaker 1:But yeah, come back, nikki, come back. Oh the dollar little prince, oh that drum. And then the uh, the little remember prince had this little thing like he was worshiping the devil and all that. So then at the end he had the speech backwards and it's like, oh man, don't play that, just gonna, you're gonna conjure up some demons, like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:and um, but remember at that time you know that was a big topic yeah of people back masking records. Man, if you play, you know, the sammy hickory record backwards, it's going to say this, this, and I'm like no, it doesn't yeah and I people come in with that and I'll say the first thing I'll say is why are you playing your record backwards? What? What sense does that even make? Yeah, yeah, well, no man, you play. You know out of the odds were backwards. I repeat, why are you playing it backwards?
Speaker 2:and why are you listening out of the odds if you don't like it?
Speaker 1:but prince knew that, he knew that narrative was out there, and so that's why you got a piece of that oh yeah, and so that's why he put that at the end of that song and it was about spiritual stuff, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:So he let you know like you play it backwards, but you're going to hear something that you think is is contrary what you think. So, all right, can we come to the windows? Cry when doves cry is my favorite prince song. I, if I can point yes, if I can point to one song, I think it would be when one does cry. If I had to somebody say, give me just one song, it would be that song.
Speaker 1:Uh, just what I was doing at that time. You know, in my time I was in the seventh grade, I had me a moped, so when I was riding in I could just hear one does cry in my head, right like I'm on a motorcycle. Uh, just, I just love the lyrics. Uh, and talking about his, you know, talking to. You know comparing his, his girlfriend, a love interest to his parents or whatever, or he, uh, or him to his dad, and it just I just love that. And then the video accompanied. I mean there's a reason why that song stayed number one for five weeks you know, and uh and a hot summer 84.
Speaker 1:I just it's just one of my favorite songs. Man, I will say that's my favorite If I had to point to one song. Can you do that? Can you point to one song and say this is my very favorite Prince song?
Speaker 2:You know I could, but the thing is, the answer would change every so often though. Yeah, I hear that, I get that, you know. So it's really hard to say this one song, yeah, is it for me, with this, with this one artist, I, I don't know if I could do that because there's so many yeah, especially oh, many yeah well, yeah, I just I just remember.
Speaker 1:If I hear that song it just takes me right back. A lot of song, a lot of songs do, but this song just really takes me back to that time frame and what I was doing. And, yeah, I just I love when dogs cry. All right, uh, I would die for you. All right, I would die for you. What about that song?
Speaker 2:liked. It clearly was a setup for baby. I'm a star, but I didn't really get into it until they did that live video. Oh, they put that out. I'm like okay, now I see where we're going here. Mm-hmm, and I had the long version on the two. I was, I guess it. This is the one for me.
Speaker 1:I never played the original anymore, never, I don't play the long version and then, like last time it went on, they would split it up or like shorten it, edit it. I didn't, did not like it. I wanted to see the whole whole set.
Speaker 2:I want to see it all.
Speaker 1:I want to see it all, you know just. Either short or whole set, I want to see it all. I want to see it all, you know just either show it or don't show it. Yeah, and then that leaves it to Baby I'm a Star man. I love that song too. It's so high energy. It was pivotal for the movie. I love that. You know the redemption of it. I guess maybe Purple Rain was a redemption, but the encore he came back out and he just killed it with Baby I'm a Star.
Speaker 2:The thing is on that tour and in the live video too. You know Jerome pops out. I'm like you know we all freaked out. I know I did and it's like it's great to see him look at me wrong. But I'm like dude, we wanted the time. Yeah, I was ready to get my jungle love on and concert, but nope, we never got that did the time that, oh we, when we're going to get to that.
Speaker 1:Uh, so, uh, we get to that when we get to ice cream castle. We're going to get to that. We'll get to that when we get to Ice Cream Castle. Any words on Baby, I'm a Star or Purple Rain the song.
Speaker 2:You know, a few years ago I was at a point with Purple Rain that I got to the same point with Stairway to Heaven, hotel, California. I was like, you know, you hear a song that's iconic so many times you get sick of hearing it. And then on one bootleg I forgot where it was from. But on this one bootleg the guitar solo was just otherworldly. And people always come to me oh man, his solo at the Hall of Fame. I'm like, man, that wasn't even his top ten, y'all just do not know, you know. So when I heard that solo I'm like, okay, now you have my attention is that the one we?
Speaker 1:he performed at first avenue before the uh movie came out. Is that the one? No, no, no, no no, no, this was.
Speaker 2:This solo was taken from, like, the diamonds and pearls tour and he just went to a whole new thing. Okay, and I'm like whoa, because before that particular point, obviously we knew he plays guitar, but I never looked at him as one of the big solo guitar god types until that solo. Okay, I'm like whoa, let me step back and reassess here. And yeah, he was. I was just, I was stunned, stunned by it.
Speaker 1:I gotta find that. Man. If you can uh find a link or something, hook me up.
Speaker 1:I'll see what I can do okay, because, uh, when you said I was thinking about the first Avenue thing, the first Avenue thing because I like the lyric, the lyrics were different on that one, I think, matter of fact, they used some of the audio. Okay, all right. All right, my brother, we coming to the time. Ice cream castle released june 1984, platinum. Let's see, we all know that the singles was, of course, ice Cream Castles Went 11 R&B 106. Pop. Jungle Love went number six R&B 20. Pop and the Bird went 33, r&b 36.
Speaker 2:Pop, yeah, okay, pop. And the bird went 33 r b, 36 pop. Yeah, okay, you know in retrospect that album, if you look at the track listing, was really just put together last minute, because I think there's two songs are nothing but skits. Really, you know, the kid can't make you. Come, really, come on. And what was the other one? Chili Sauce.
Speaker 1:Chili.
Speaker 2:Sauce. Chili Sauce could have been a great B-side, yeah, but it didn't even go on the album. You know, I love it for those two songs. The thing is the studio versions don't capture the intensity of the live performances Right, especially Jungle Love. Yeah, don't capture the intensity of the live performances, right, especially jungle love. Yeah, you know, because when I saw it in the movies and right before they, you know, go to the next scene, you know, and the band goes, I'm like I'm about to get into it now yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, did you?
Speaker 1:you hear Jesse going on? Yes, they're about to get it on now. Yeah, is there. I mean, is there a version on YouTube? Anywhere you hear that?
Speaker 2:There is a version of that. It is what's it called, Because there's a full bootleg of that recording.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I would love that.
Speaker 2:And another thing different in that set when they do the bird, they do the closing sequence where they do the dance steps. At the end they do that twice. Okay, okay, you had to be in shape to pull that one off. Yeah, because you go through it all, all this, and then Morris says one more time oh, not again. I'm like okay, morris, you're killing me.
Speaker 1:First time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the time alive from first time.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Ice cream castle man. It gave me that Ice Cream Castle man. It gave me that. It put that seed in my head because what is it, larry? I'm black, you're white. Let's fall in love Black girls. Oh yeah yeah, interracial relationship. And I found myself married man. All right, my drawers man, my my drawers. I don't like drawers oh yeah I love that song. I I think it's so underrated man, I don't know how many people talk about the time.
Speaker 2:I don't hear my I remember back then I just discovered BET on my cable system and there was an interview with Jesse. I believe it was either Jesse or Billy. I remember seeing the Billy interview because he said time out as the time was over Jesse comes out and was saying he was talking about making that video that in an album. He hated it. He hated it. I'm like what you know. And again you only hear bits and pieces like what is going on here, man, why aren't these guys doing their thing? And then my sister of all people turned me on Alexander O'Neill. Yeah, and if you look at the album not the CD, but you look at the album cover of his album on the spine you see Morris, you see Jimmy and Terry and Monty Cause they did the whole album. I mean, I know that now but I didn't know that back then. I knew they played on it, but I know that they wrote it all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:Come on, guys, we could have been all these, done all these things together and just wasn't meant to be no man, I just now.
Speaker 1:He got me thinking like how how things would have been if all that, the whole soundtrack, was together. Jimmy jam, terry lewis stayed in the group because I know prince wanted terry lewis back he was terry back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he wanted to hear it. Man, not new, I'm not coming out. Well, I'm a boy, so forget it. Yeah, and one thing that I don't know and I'm trying to get jimmy to come on you know the prince podcast. I want to ask him point blank. Dude, what happened with monty? You guys were the secret for the first couple of albums. You did the Alexander album, you did Janet Control and all of a sudden, monty's gone doing his own thing. They're a great group.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, but sometimes, with any situation, sometimes you got to here's a great comparison. Maybe it was a situation where you look at Jam and Lewis like you look at Leonard McCartney and Monty was George Harrison. Okay, he had great stuff too, but everybody wanted Leonard McCartney, yeah, yeah. So maybe Monty's like I got to do my thing, man, I got to get my own space. I like that. I like that. I know I've told that more often too.
Speaker 1:There you go, man my draws, and when I listen to my draws man, it kind of reminds me of Irresistible Snitch Someone. Really, yeah, when I hear my draws, I'll be wanting to say, oh, oh, oh, there's some part in there.
Speaker 2:Why didn't you think about that? Now I can hear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I was like, why do I want to say oh oh, oh, okay, prince, sorry, irresistible, and I love speaking of that song, I love the drum solo on that. It's not, it's not like intricate or anything, but it just goes with it. Man, everybody, I just love that man, all right, yeah, yeah, that was more. Was that Prince? That was Morris, was that Morris on that? Or that Prince on that irresistible? That was Prince. Yeah, that's what I thought, all right, uh. The next album we're going to cover is Jesse Johnson's Review now we're talking now we're talking.
Speaker 2:Be your man couldn't tell me. Man could not tell me when that came out and I didn't even know it was coming out. Yeah right, I had no idea. Jesse was doing his own thing and I'm watching Donnie Simpson or something. It was Donnie Simpson and Donnie with that smile. Yeah, we're going to go into Jesse Johnson. I'm watching Donnie Simpson or something else. Donnie Simpson and Donnie with that smile. We're going to go into Jesse Johnson. I'm like what? And I'm like okay, here we go. Now you have my attention, jesse, let's go. Oh, oh, oh. And for being a guitar player, to me that album was pretty keyboard heavy yeah, what do you think actually?
Speaker 1:oh, for sure, because, besides the, the singles that were released to me, like you said, it sound all the songs sound similar and they're keyboard heavy. Yeah, and what I took away from the album after listening to it recently, it was that, uh, I think he, what he was trying to do is is, uh, show his solo chops, his lead chops and his sex symbol chops it. That's what I took away from. Like you know, he wasn't concentrating on his musicianship, but he just want to see I'm up front, I'm in front of my phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like I'm the lead dog now yeah, you know, you know I can get ladies too and I got my paint down and I was like okay, but besides the singles that were released I didn't like it was not any song that I really liked from the album I would say the B-side Free World.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can see that.
Speaker 2:I like Free World, but she's a Doll, you know I like. Can you Help Me?
Speaker 1:like free world, but um, she's a doll. Yeah, you know I like can you help? Me yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, those are songs that uh, be your man. Can you help me? And I want my girl well, my girl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, that was the the meat of that album right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and those songs were definitely set apart. They sound totally different from a lot of that, uh, but yeah, can you help me? Yeah, she's a doll. Uh, what's the other one? Um, let's have fun. That's, that's some fun, yeah yeah, yeah, that was whack. Yeah, I want my girl Be your man, and Can you Help Me stand out on that album? Is there anything you want to say about that album?
Speaker 2:You know, another great regret of mine is he toured that album and he landed in San Francisco I believe Either that or Berkeley and a friend of mine went and he said he played a lot of Time stuff and he was asked audience, what do you guys want to hear? And he would just play it. I'm like, oh man, If I had known I would have been there. Because when you think about it, when you go solo on your first album and you're actually playing a small club, so you get the headline, you've got to play other stuff. Yeah, oh yeah, you have to. Yeah, you just can't play your album over and over, You've got to do other things. I didn't understand that until years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now I've seen him a few times since then and I saw him recently, back in April, and I was just stunned. You know he's such a great guitarist, oh man, and he's a really deep cat. Great memory, great memory. Yeah, you know, he's fun to talk to. Um, I think I told this story before, but it's brownie peter, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Um, one of my clients, uh, who was the? Who was the singer, the lead singer for the brides of thunk Frankenstein back in the day, they hired Jesse to do a remix for them or produce a new single. And so they did. And I'm like, all right, cool, I'm just whatever she calls me up mad. Her and Jesse had a beef. I'm like, let me handle this. So I called Jesse's manager. I'm like, man, let's work this shit out. And the manager's like you got to talk to Jesse directly. I do, you do All right. And so I called Jesse, who was really angry. You know I'm not going to use the word he was using, but he was angry. I'm like Jesse, let me stop you right there. Man, I know exactly who you are. I know exactly what you've accomplished in this business. I have your time catalog and I have your solo catalog, so you will get that respect from me because I'm a fan and you've earned it and right there was like, oh, okay, cool, let's talk it out, you know.
Speaker 2:And we chopped it up a little bit and we we came to understand that we got, you know we had an agreement and you that we got, you know we had an agreement and you know we got that resolved. And then, years later, when I saw him in April, you know, I took one of my guitarists with me for him to sign because I'm all about the meet and greet now, that's just how it is, yeah. And so he signed it and I said, yeah, jesse, we've actually had a conversation. He said we did. I said, yeah, we did, but I don't want to get into it because it just pissed you off. He's like, he's like what happened, all right. So I told him you know what happened. And he looked up, looked up at me. He's like you're the lawyer. I'm like that's me. Oh, what's going on, man, how you doing man, that's a cool story that was.
Speaker 2:He was so nice. He was so nice, dang I've never seen him live ever jesse's just jesse to me, and I don't mean to break this down by color, I really don't.
Speaker 2:But style wise, he reminds me a lot of ernie eisley okay yeah, ernie reminds me a lot of jimi hendrix yeah and they both all three of them play strats, and because jesse was playing different things for a while, but the last dozen years or so he's been about the strat with the reverse neck, like Jimmy, and I'm like okay, and I'm listening to him, like yeah, I hear a lot of Ernie Isley in that. I hear some Eddie Hazel too, and some Wes Montgomery, but I hear a lot of.
Speaker 1:Jimmy and Jesse stuff man, alright, man.
Speaker 2:One more thing not making me think about it what I would love to do? No, no, no, Scratch that what I'm going to do. I'm going to arrange an interview with Vernon Reed, Ernie Isley and Jesse Johnson because I want to talk to them about their style of guitar play. You know, because, let's face it, in the R&B world it's not really appreciated. No, so I want to talk to these cats and I've already contacted Vernon over Twitter and he said he'd do it. I just got to set it up.
Speaker 1:That's him on Love Rears His Ugly Head right, yes, oh oh.
Speaker 2:Woo-wee.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that song. I love the guitar on that song, man.
Speaker 2:When Living Color came out, in what 89? It's like they're talking straight to me. Oh man, I'm like this is me right here. This is what I do. You know, we, we look the same, but we played this music. Let's go, loved it wore that.
Speaker 1:I had the cassette single. I wore that out and I I like that. And then, you know, because he, he made a soul version. I didn't like that. I'm like man. No, give me that rock. You know what we need. Man version I didn't like that. I'm like man. No, give me that rock. You know what we need, man. Ah, man, I know when we finish that.
Speaker 2:That's one song I'm gonna listen to. That's one of my favorites man wedding march.
Speaker 1:Man, uh, this album, jesse johnson, peaked at number eight on the billboard R&B and 43 on the pop charts. Yeah, all right, man, so you ready for Around the World in a Day Around?
Speaker 2:the world in a day, yeah.
Speaker 1:Released April 22nd 1985. Sold over 5 million copies. That album was already in the can before he went on the Purple Rain tour. Yeah, that's how Prince operated, man. He was on to the next, on to the next. And this man and I, my one of my best friends, uh, daris lundy. Uh, because think about around the world today, people wanted purple rain part two and they didn't get it, and so it was a lot of backlash and a lot of people didn't like it and it wasn't. And then he had not only that, he had a different look, and so I think a lot of people didn't like it and it wasn't. And then he had not only that, he had a different look. And so I think a lot of people reject it. And I remember my best friend's mom said it sounded like he made that album in one day. I was like dang wow I will never forget that.
Speaker 1:That was back in 85 when she said that and, uh, susan rogers said that was her favorite, that's her favorite prince album around the world today. She said because that was the last time prince was prince before he blew up, you know, uh, yeah and uh, before he beat the, before the fame got to him and before he was able to, you know, get to the point where he couldn't walk in the stores and all that. But she pointed out to that. So he was, he. After that album, or after the purple rain tour, she said he lost his innocence and you know a lot of people said that this album was, uh, was his sergeant pepper's album.
Speaker 2:But oh, yeah, I, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can see that too, but Prince denied it. He just said it just. He was influenced by a demo from Jonathan from Wendy's and Susan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Melbourne.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Jonathan's demo.
Speaker 2:Which was probably influenced by.
Speaker 1:Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yep, but yeah, he said that and you know, you when you say like, uh, dirty mind that funk, it had that grits and chitlins. I I say that this album, because of his influence, it had that turmeric and curry on it. He put the turmeric and curry on this album with the little finger symbols and all of that. It just just different. I just like his, his progression as a musician, how you know I I love that. He took that and just changing and he just evolved and I it's, it's, it's it's I wouldn't say it's my, it's toward uh, it's in the middle. As far as albums, it's in the middle, I love it though, but it's, it's in the middle. How do you feel about that album? You?
Speaker 2:know, I remember when we we talked about this album on the prince podcast years ago and I made a comment about two songs the latter and temptation, yeah, and they came for me, I said I'm not a fan of either one of those and they're like what, uh, my man, big ken, was like what I'm like. You heard me, you heard me, you know, and over the years, I really appreciate the sound of it. You know, because, you know, I again shout out to big ken. Him and michael dean turned me on to downloading music.
Speaker 2:Okay, so there was this one website called hd tracks, and for a limited time I don't know what happened, but they had the first seven albums in high resolution. I got them all, and I got this one in 24 192, and when I play it, I'm like, oh okay, I can hear it now, you know, I can hear what he's trying to do, you know, and the thing is, I think a lot of it also, it sounds like it was done in a hurry. It just does, yeah, it does, you know, and it really, I mean. One thing I really enjoyed about it, though, were all the extended 12 inches. I love that, love that, and, of course, the America performance. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. If I could get that whole set I'd be ecstatic. But when he did the America thing and they'd like break down, oh okay, we're doing it again what?
Speaker 1:Ah, I think that's one of the few times you see eric leaves and eddie minifield on the same set, on the same stage. Okay, I didn't pay attention to that man. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And, like you said, that comment you made it's it does sound kind of rushed, but you know like.
Speaker 1:But the album prior, you know, prince liked to get stuff out, but he had, he had no choice but to slow down when it came to prep rain because it was a movie attached to it yes and so, because of the production of the movie he had to like, he had to just live in the moment for that time, and so that's why that album did what it did and this album sounds the way it does, coming, you know, following that album. Uh, raspberry beret, uh, the first single that was released may 15th 85. I love that version, that video version. I like how they when they that that longer version of it when he talks at the beginning yeah, oh yeah, you can hear Wendy's and Lisa's influence on this album as well, all over it.
Speaker 1:Their prints are all over that album?
Speaker 2:um, uh, I don't remember. No, their first album is really good. Yeah, it is. It really stands up.
Speaker 1:I, I don't remember. I don't do you remember when paisley park was released, because it said may 24th?
Speaker 2:I do not remember that I remember it briefly because I remember it because the the I'm gonna use the word video here which it really wasn't. It was like a bunch of random shots of you know, flowers and hippie. You know. I'm like that's kind man, hippie shit. I'm like what is this? Come on man. No, it was really half-assed, really half-assed. I'll go a step further and say that Prince's people weren't even involved in it. This was something that labeled it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Put it out, put it out.
Speaker 2:That's what happened. Yeah, because technically it's only like nine days after Raspberry Beret was released and keep in mind that prince was probably over in in uh france shooting uh under the cherry moon anyway, yeah, yeah, and so the label's like we got to keep it out there, do that okay but he had just dropped may 15th.
Speaker 1:Raspberry break. Casey park was dropped the 24th. Yeah, I know, ah, anyway, but yeah, then pop life was just released june 15th. Um, yeah, uh, I love this, that, that one. I like the standard version of that as well I will do the same thing yeah, it was about a mature sex.
Speaker 2:15 minutes, your best mic, oh yeah. What's the matter with your sex 15?
Speaker 1:minutes. Your best, mike. Oh yeah, I remember when I first got on facebook back in. Was that? Uh, 2009? I believe it was I. I I wrote those lyrics. That was my status on my lyric on my on my facebook page. Was that, larry, what you just said? What's wrong with you? A lot of people hadn't heard that, but, yeah, all right, um, oka. Then america was released october 2nd, so I'm just going to track listen. So we we did mention around the world in the day. Around the world in a day. Uh, john L Nelson got writing credits on that. Yep, paisley Park was a good song. Um, condition of the heart. Never liked that song. Yeah, uh, raspberry, we spoke on that. Uh, the standard version is our favorite. Uh, tam, what about tambourine?
Speaker 2:uh, you know the masturbation song. The reason this album has the Sergeant Pepper vibe to me it's because of songs like tambourine. Yeah, you know, because you look at the track list of of sergeant pepper, it's got like oh, oh, oh me, mr mustard. I'm like what, what the hell man? What are you guys doing here? He's really just out there titles. That's what he did on uh um, around all the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, tambourine, I just love the energy on tambourine. Uh, I remember a friend of mine was like, can you give me some songs I can work out to? And I slid that on there, I slid down, I made her a mixtape and I slid tambourine on there. Did I say, you know, like what do you think about that tambourine? And she gave me this side eye. You know, like what do you think about that tambourine? And she gave me this side eye.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, he must understand the lyrics.
Speaker 1:All right, uh, america uh, yeah, give him the video shot in france because he was shooting the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like how he's standing the drums. When he got on the drum solo and he's extended the drumstick to the crowd. Oh man, that was just this awesome. Uh pop life and uh, the ladder, like you said, that's actually. That was a purple rain rehash to me. Yeah, it is, and I asked you last on the first, the first episode we did is it pretentious? She's like oh, most definitely the first, the first episode we did, is it?
Speaker 1:pretentious. She's like oh, most definitely, yeah, it's, it's one I skipped, I skip off.
Speaker 2:and what about temptation? I mean, because I was like near the end of temptation, it's like that thing he did on the Purple Rain tour. You know, he has a battle between love and lust. It's the same type of sentiment. I'm like come on, man, we can do better than this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they were like you said, they were nice france man filming that movie, uh, and that's when he had popped the question. That's suzanna, you know. Uh, he proposed to her, he got his big old engagement ring and, um, because I, I'm jumping ahead, but I know, like prince liked to have his, his girlfriends in the movies. Because that movie, what was it? The Second Coming, susan Moonsey, was supposed to be in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that didn't materialize. And then Vanny was supposed to be in Purple Rain, and then he asked Susanna to be under the cherry moon and then whatever happened I don't know if it was the, the studio or him he decided not to have her in it, but yeah I don't know how he got away with.
Speaker 2:You know all these women in his same. You know entourage like dude one that's gonna cut you man. Yeah, yeah, yeah they accepted it.
Speaker 1:And that's like, you know, whatever you allow people, you know, especially somebody taking advantage, you, you know, and they keep doing if you allow it, and these women so and again, you know any anyone in entertainment or sports, or you have a high, high profile.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are going to take that shit. Yeah, that's just. You know they want to be in that world. I mean, I guess that's the price of doing business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some stuck around, some didn't. Vanity was out of there. She's like whoop.
Speaker 2:I'm out Vanity's like deuces. Oh yeah, yeah. You know, this is beneath me. I deserve more.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, all right, big, sexy, here we have it. Um, I want to have you back. I I sent you a idea. I want to you, and I talk about our top 10 favorite bands you up for that one day, oh?
Speaker 2:are we? Are we crossing genres?
Speaker 1:yes, it's our bands period wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait wait Bands and does band include, like solo acts or just bands.
Speaker 1:Just bands, bands.
Speaker 2:Done. Okay, done, done and done.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll give you a heads up on that, because I got notes for that. I previously recorded that and I went back and listened to it and I was like, nah, I want to redo this, and you know. And I was like, nah, I want to redo this, and you know. And I was like I want to do this with mark. So, and I know I, you were bringing different. I know, you see, uh, the, the people I did that other episode with, we had similar bands. Um, uh, some was different. Well, one guy had craft work. He had craft work as one of his bands, which was like, okay, that was that was, that was unique. I didn't think about craft work, um, but yeah, that was good and so, but, yeah, I'm gonna give you a shout out, give you a heads up a couple weeks in advance, and so you know I already have three that are, just you know, lead pipe locks on it okay, oh yeah, but this other thing I'm gonna, I'm gonna catch you off guard with it again, okay all right man.
Speaker 1:So then, um, also too, when we come back to this. Uh, I want to cover the family's first album, prince's color of success parade.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, prince, is what?
Speaker 1:huh parade. I know more say no. More is damn sorry, more is day yeah uh, yeah, see, yeah, parade and then, um, yeah, hit son of the times, man, man, you know, take it from there. So, but I would like to do the band first and then we come back to the Prince boy. Okay, all right, mark, thank you for your time. I appreciate you, man, and I hope you have a rest. Your day is good and relaxed, man, and get off your.
Speaker 2:Get off your back, man, and I'm going to go back to the bed and sit while.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, all right, man, talk to you soon. Oh, before I leave, yeah, people especially you guys in Romania. Keep those classics, current, seriously, romania Peace. Give us that love, we'll give it right back to you, trust me. You.
