Michael Movie Review

I'm back from a long hiatus with a turning-the-page moment: this is the final release under MuzicBook, and I'm officially shifting into the Disco Hicks Show era so I can go wider than music while still keeping nostalgia and sound at the center. To close the chapter the right way, the show goes straight to what y’all keep asking for: Michael Jackson.

Spoiler warning up front, because I get specific about the new “Michael” movie, including why it hits differently on a second watch. We talk about what the film captures beautifully, what feels rushed or missing, and why omissions like key Jackson family members change the emotional truth of the story. We also get into performances, makeup choices, standout scenes, and the real challenge of making a biopic about an artist this massive without turning it into either a fairy tale or a takedown.

Then we zoom out into the bigger MJ conversation: Motown 25 memories, favorite live moments, album rankings from Off the Wall through HIStory, and the strange afterlife of posthumous releases. We break down the 2010 “Michael” album controversy, the Cascio tracks debate, and why integrity matters when fans can hear the difference.

Tap in, subscribe for what comes next under Disco Hicks, and if you’ve seen the film, tell us this: what moment worked for you, and what did you wish they kept in?

Transcript

Back From Hiatus And Teaser

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What's up, music bookers? This is Disco Hicks back from a long hiatus. And later in this episode, I revealed that uh this podcast is doing some changes, but I'm here for the Michael Movie Review. I've seen it uh this I saw it twice, and I would like to say that um it was better the second time around. The first time I had my critic and historian hat on, but the second time I was able to watch it as a fan. So uh sit back and hope you enjoy this podcast. And um, hey, as y'all know, holla at your boy, drop the needle on the next episode. Let's go. What's up, music bookers? Your boy Disco Hicks. I'm back. Oh, for a long hiatus, but I have an announcement to make. Uh, this is the last episode under the name of Music Book. Um, I'm upgrading. And I just want to be able to come to you more than just every so often, maybe twice a month. You know, I want to almost I wanna I have a vision that I want to see this podcast weekly. And to do so, I had to ch I need to change it up a little bit. And so um change it to disco hex so that that would allow me to talk about more topics than music. But I'm gonna keep music because music is the main thing on this podcast and nostalgia. I'm gonna always talk about that, but this is gonna open open things up so I can talk about uh you know more movies and uh just anything. Sports. I want to talk about sports, and so I'm gonna just open it up and so I just want to announce that. And it was nothing more fitting to do this last podcast on the music book podcast uh with the topic of Michael Jackson, which is seemed to be the listener's uh favorite topic. So we wanna I'm gonna dive into that with the music, talk about the movie that just recently, and just all some of the other just Michael music and news is out right now. As Jermaine Jackson said, we gotta ride this wave. So we're gonna ride this wave. And before I go on, I gotta holler. I gotta uh announce my brother, brother of the show, who was on the original Michael Jackson made part one and part two, and in the MTV, and then and some other episodes, because it's my brother, and we got another podcast together because we just that dope, we just that tight, and we just it's like what's up, Joe.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

I love it, dude. I love it, man. I love it, and and I love the transition you're making, man, because you just you're so much, you know, more you just the media guy, you know, and that's more than music, man. You know, it's movies, it's like you said, sports, and you know, even keeping some, you know, current events, and bro, that's your moniker. Keep the classics current, bro. So everything uh, you know, it's about currency and classical stuff. So man, bless that, man. Do your thing, man.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

I'm gonna drop the needle on that.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Um man disco disco higgs.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

That's what's up, man.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

And I'll uh if I haven't said it before, uh, the reason I came up with the name Disco Higgs, or well, I uh call myself disco. I was in college, and it's his brother named Lou, he was from Chicago. Lou, man, Lou was this coolest dude, man. He had uh he had Morris Day vibe, though. Okay, he'd be on the corner, like women women walk by, he'd be like, What's up, Stella? Yeah, hey man, he was light skin, he had the freckles, all of that, man.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Oh man, he fit the bill.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Okay, but he could hoop too. But um, but he was he though, I was dancing, man. You you it was you it was hard not to see me dancing. I was always dancing, I would just do and so we was at the uh union hall at college. I was at ground the state, and I don't know what song came on, but I just started gigging, and he was like, Check out this go over there, and dog, it just stuck back then ever since then, man. So that's a tribute to Lou, too, because I don't know what he's up to, man. But that was my guy, and only ever since I left school, I hadn't seen him.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

So look at that, and he won through the name, he the one dropped the name down. Look at that, man. I love it, dude. I love it. It's befitting, bro. It's befitting.

Spoiler Warning And First Reactions

SPEAKER_00 4:43

All right, man. A Michael movie. I finally saw it. Oh man, I wanted to wait some time and uh just see what it what people had to say without the spoilers. Oh, and also, people, uh the spoilers. If you haven't seen the movie, you might want to go see the movie before you listen to this episode. Because we're gonna talk about it, we get spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

So what did you what did you think about it? Because, bro, I'm gonna tell you, man, when me and wifey, man, when we was watching the movie, I'm gonna tell you you the first after we seen it, man. You know, because we because we I kind of thought you was gonna be saying it that same day. And uh soon as we saw it, man, when it got done, and uh we were like, I wonder what what Higgs think about it, man. You know, did they represent in Higgs eyes, bro? Because you know, you the you the you the Michael Channel, bro, for us, you know. So what did you think about the flick, man?

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Okay, and that's I hope these people like you know, people online, the moonwalkers online, they come after me. Cause I just I'm totally honest with everybody. Right, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

I'm a Mike fan, though, you know.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Absolutely. That's that's why your that's why your opinion matters so much because you're such a straight shooter, man. But we also know your authentic love for for Mike too. So you know, man, that's why we we use you as the gauge to you know to decide if something was wrapped, right? Man, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Well, what I man, um so going into that, uh, I was I was listening to somebody's review and they brought up the Michael Jackson or the Jackson film, the TV show, the TV series. Uh which I do love, and uh, and I and and to me it's the standard in Okay as far as any Michael Jackson flick.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

I think when you say the movie, are you talking about the Jackson's the American family? That yes, that one. Okay.

Missing Jacksons And Story Gaps

SPEAKER_00 6:45

To me, that's the standard. To anything Michael Jackson related as far as movie-wise, I think that's the pinnacle. Okay. In my opinion, I think it was well done. Everything was fleshed out. And when you do a movie of uh of a person this magnitude, you have to you have to me you have to flesh things out. Yeah, you should you should flesh things out, yeah. Um this movie wasn't that, it wasn't fleshed out. Um to me, I don't know about you, and I was trying not to have my historian hat on, bro. Right, I just wanted to I just want to see, like, but it's hard not to, but right, yeah. Uh man, it was so much of a glaring hole not seeing Rebe, not Janet, not seeing Randy, and not seeing Diana Ross.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

No, man.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

I just it it bothered me, it really did. Uh, I couldn't. So every time they would show the family, we talking about the Jackson family, and even all those other I mean Janet's huge, man. Reny, Randy has a big part in what Mike did growing up.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

And Reeby and Reeby and do, and you can't, you can't have it's hard to film anything with with Katherine Jackson with Rebe not next to her.

SPEAKER_05 8:03

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

It's preparable, man. You know, like to this day, Reeby pushes Mrs. Jackson around in the wheelchair.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

They just wow wow like that.

Casting Wins And Makeup Misses

SPEAKER_00 8:14

So not seeing her and and not seeing those other siblings every time. It's like like they didn't even exist. Yeah, and then it was a um it was a part in the film where uh they went around saying about uh it's talking about Jermaine not being there, and it's like well, we gotta move on, but you didn't say nothing about Randy, Randy. So whatever reasons, I know Janet didn't want to be represented for so many reasons. I don't know, I haven't heard anything about Randy. I don't know what's uh Reeby's deal either. And so it affected me. Yeah, uh, but the movie was well shot, it was well done. What they captured was well done. Um Jafar did an exceptional job.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Um the young kid, man. Um, what is his name? I think his name is yeah, Giuliano Valdi. Yeah, Giuliano Valdi. Uh he did it excellent, man. I could have loved seeing more of him.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Uh but yeah, uh and and that common domingo, that makeup, man, that was kind of irritating. No, why why? Why are you saying it was just though it was just man? See the Michael Michael makeup because Michael has his distinct look. I guess Joe does too, man.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

I don't know, man. It just looked like to me when I'm looking at it, it looked like Coma Domingo dressed as just Joe, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 9:57

He's playing costume, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Right, like he was gone out. It was yeah, I'm gonna be Joe Jackson for Halloween, you know. Ohly, you bro.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Only you.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

I think my my view is tainted because of um Janet.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, Janet said the same thing, man. She went too far to say she didn't like somebody's she went too far to say she didn't like she didn't like somebody's walk.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

I don't know what that means. She said the neck up, the way this person walked. So yeah, she just irritated.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Wow. Um well see that's I don't even know all of the background on it, man. But that's that's why it's necessary to have people like that. It even if they weren't gonna have a a huge part in the movie, at least be a consultant on the set, you know. So I don't even know why, you know, they weren't a part of it or mentioned, but you know, I'm sure they're they there, I'm sure there's some reasons they feel is is uh true to them for not doing it. But man, bro, it's is a tribute to to Michael. And um I think when you get a situation, particularly a person uh of his style, you know, quality and caliber, man, that you want to present him uh to another uh that's first. I just love the fact he's being presented to another generation that otherwise wouldn't have you know really known the impact of him. And um, I think it's just man, you could put the personal stuff or whatever it is to the side to best represent him to the culture, and and I think that should have that should have been bigger than any any personal stuff to not be a part of it.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yeah, I think um well I know for certain because I I was going on YouTube yesterday and I saw an interview with Paris Jackson. So in the in the beginning stages of it, they asked her her take. And so when she went in there and said what she had to say, it was like thank you, but no thank you. And so yeah, so she okay. Oh, she said, well, if you don't want truth, then I guess you don't want me a part of it. And I don't say, I'm not here just to make a fluff film. She said, I'm I'm not here to be a uh uh to be a part of a fluff film. If you're gonna do it by my dad, make it real, make it honest. And then what you filming is fairy tale.

SPEAKER_03 12:34

Now, did they did they uh was it a particular part that you know she wanted to bring to the film that they didn't?

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Uh she just feels very vague, man. You know, because people are asking her, because people also saying, like, oh, you don't love your dad, so she had to come out and speak out and get oh, it's not I don't love my dad. Right, she said, I should want my dad represented well. And if you would tell uh story about this man, uh it should be honest and true, yeah. Yeah, I wish it was more I wish I wish it was more dramatic. It was a few scenes in there that was dramatic. The the hair scene for certain. Uh that that hair scene, yeah, man. Wow, how they brought how they brought that to life, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

It was like, ooh, yeah, that was bad, bro.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

And um, even with Joe, man, cut that that uh hey bro, that scene with Joe and Don King, man, and and pick up Deon Cole for playing Don King. Dude, that's conversation, that scene was just so sleazy, man.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Yeah, it was, man. It was it was probably really that that sleazy for real, too. I'm I'm sure it was, man, but probably was worse, but you know, yeah, that that yeah, it was now I did hear, man, uh, that they are actually talking about doing another part of it, getting more into the the details, you know, and and as you said, fleshing out more of it. So I don't know how true that is, but I would love to see that because then this version makes a lot more sense, you know, because if you're gonna show this and show the iconic aspect of it, because there was no um there was no fluff or fakeness about this movie as it pertained to the music and and him, uh and and his, you know, but it was a lot of stuff, like you said, it was omitted or not fleshed out as it pertains to all of all of the life of Michael. And I didn't see this movie as being that. I didn't see I didn't even see this as being that intention to be about, you know, his life, more so than his music and the impact of who he was as a as a as an artist. So from that perspective, man, I thought they like you said, it was it was beautifully done. You know, the shooting, Jafar did an amazing job, man. He did, he did. And uh, yeah, if you don't catch yourself, man, you know, and some of the stuff he brought you in, and you was really feeling like you was looking at Mike on a lot of stuff. So it was it was good, man. The more the mannerisms than maybe his musical depiction, which he did great, even in those things. But you know, man, it's just man, it's just something about Mike, bro. It's just no one can his movements were so fluid, bro. It just the best Michael Jackson imitator, man, just just fall so short when you uh compare it, you know, if you're doing it as a comparison. But his representation of it, man, was great. He did great.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I uh uh last night I watched um searching for Neverland, and that was I saw that too, yeah. You watched what you when you watched?

SPEAKER_03 16:11

Okay, I watched it after the you know how it is when you get in the slipstream of Mike, man, when you get back caught up and you just start looking for stuff with Mike, and so people are as you said, what riding away right now, so all of those movies is popping up on Netflix and all of that. So, yeah, I just just seen that this week.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

So I watched it last night, and that came out in 2017. That was based on that book Remember the Time.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Yeah, yeah, that you turned me on to.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Yeah, yeah, I loved it, man. I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Yeah, the bot, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

I would love to see more of them, but uh that was Michael Jackson's favorite in person in Navi who played. Was he really? Yeah, I didn't I didn't like him. I didn't either, man.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

And you said that was Mike's favorite one.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Man, he hired him a few times, bro. Really, you know, be a distraction to divert so he can get out. So they do see, yeah. He Navi was his guy. Mike traveled to see Navi perform. I don't yeah, I've seen I've seen better.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

See, I've no I see, I didn't even see him perform before because he didn't really do any of that in the movie, no, so but it wasn't that kind of movie, but um, yeah, yeah. I but I thought the story though was great, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the guy that played the bodyguard in the movie, I really like him, man. He did a really cool job.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Yeah, he was in the wire too, that brother. Um, but yeah, I don't know if you watched it on HD, man, but it was hard. You could see all you can see all his his work on his face, bro. Really? Oh my goodness, he went to detail. So I'm telling you, this if it wasn't for the movie and the bodyguard perspective of that, I would have turned from it because it was hard to look at it.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Oh yeah, yeah. It yeah, you yeah, I agree 100%. If it was if he was the star power that was carrying the movie, it would have bro. Yeah, I'd have turned that right off, man.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah, and then let's transfer to uh let's talk about what uh Wiley Draper who portrayed Michael Jackson and and the Jackson TV series. Oh, yeah, he did a great job in recipe.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

He did, he did. Oh, he's oh man, he passed.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Yeah, he passed, he had to get away. Oh wow, he passed. He was I think he was still in his 20s when he passed.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Oh man, wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

So yeah, uh, and and Jason Weaver did both of those did good jobs.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Yeah, Jason. Yeah, he did a right great job.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh yeah, Jafar did a great job. I especially he I was I was like looking at him, especially when he when he got his second nose job. I was like, oh, he really looks like him.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

And I don't know Oh, he got nose jobs, man.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

No, um no, I was talking about Michael's. He they did they show Michael having the second uh nose procedure in the movie. They didn't show him like going like in the first one, he sat in the chair. The second time he just had a strip over his nose. That's oh gosh. They let you know he had another one because he had two.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Uh by the time Thriller came out, he had a second one.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Ah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

To my knowledge, he had broke his nose, and then he took that. I think that was right around uh off the wall time. He broke his nose, and he used the opportunity to get his nose fixed, you know, and then and then he wanted to improve on it for the thriller. Got you, gotcha, and then he wanted to improve on it bad, and then he oh my goodness. But anyway, uh yeah, um, but your far did a great job.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

He did, he really did.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

But don't you see? I I see his father, I see him, I see his father so much though. Oh yeah, 100% because people like he looked just like Michael Jackson. I said, Well, he looked like Jermaine to me.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

But but Jermaine and Mike always to me, I thought they always looked alike, man. Jermaine, Janet, and Mike.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

I always thought they just man, was yeah, yeah, and uh it just was just the sibling because only only only sit uh sister that was there was Latoya, and then they had Latoya and her classic 80s look, man. Right, right. Switch it up, please. I know she wore the headband, I know she wore the headband in the blazers, man. But yeah, man, come on, man. Like, yeah, they stuck her in there.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

They type guys there in the 80s talking about Keith in the classes, uh Nia Long did an exceptional job.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

She did, yeah, she did. Yeah, I saw her as uh Catherine. She didn't know she pulled that off, man. So what do you think about Coma Domingo, man? Uh uh compared to because like I said, I I compare him to the other one, man, with uh Lawrence Hilton Jacobs. I think Lawrence Hilton Jacobs did a great job in the um in Jackson's in the Jackson series. And he didn't have to wear any makeup, man.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Right, right. I mean, I see your I see your point, man. You know, yeah, they they could have did that better. They could have absolutely did because it looked like you you pasted it on, you know, and and put him in that role. I don't know if he had a hookup with somebody, man, when they just put him in. But yeah, I think they could have found better representation for him.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

And then man, the guys that got they they have portrayed Joe, they are tall dudes, man. Joe wasn't that tall, man.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Right, right. I don't know. Are they trying to push that narrative that Joe just is bigger than life, you know, persona? I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I guess with Lawrence with Lawrence Jacobs, he has a he has a similar look. So like I said, it wasn't too much makeup they had to put on it. Yeah. But Coleman, man, they had to put him.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

They had to force it, man.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

They put him in a chair, man. Oh, you know, I love the I love the beat it part of it too.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

But man, why yeah. I said, what man, Michael Peters, man? What's up with Michael Peters?

SPEAKER_03 22:27

What what what you mean? What you mean?

SPEAKER_00 22:30

I just came across came away from that that Michael Jackson made the routine and now Michael Peters.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

Oh yeah, yeah, that now that's true. That's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Michael Peters is so dope that he used him in two videos, yeah. And the thriller.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, it's just like, what is Michael Peters, man?

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Yeah, that, yeah. Those parts. Yeah, and I know how the historian in you, man, probably had to battle with a lot of that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I was battling, bro. I was battling.

Joe Jackson Discipline And Backlash

SPEAKER_03 23:02

I was battling, but because you would give the give uh flowers kind of dude, man. So you always are giving flowers. So yeah, let the people who really, you know, had had impact in this, man, let them, you know, be seen. Let them get part of this honor and recognition too. My Michael was not, as much as he's a talent and the gift that God has given him, you know, from all of the stuff that he had, he was not self-made, bro. You know, he you a lot of times, bro, you it is your surrounding cast, you know, that make it. And even in certain parts, I don't, I don't like the demonization of Joe in movies or when they talk about Mike, man, because he might have been hard in a lot of areas. And see, man, that whooping that they depicted in the movie, bro, that that was just Tuesday coming up in the hood. That that wasn't Joe wasn't beating Mike, you know, he was whooping him. Now, was it unmerited, maybe? Like because he, you know, didn't cut a move right or his attitude towards something. Yeah, bro. I mean, but you don't get a Michael Jackson at the level that he that he made it to without a Joe. Now, was he because some things have been done different, man? We can all in our parenting look back and say we could have done some things different, bro.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

But he kept them boys, man. If he if he wasn't, you know how easy, you know how many talented people just squandered their talents and their giftings, man, because the parents did not create that environment.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

I mean, bro, you don't get it. You don't get it without a Joe, you don't get it without a Catherine, because she had to be that that balance, that other side, like, yeah, he's hard, but and she had to, you know, she had to be that equalizer in their lives because you know, she was there, you know, for Mike, her and Mike was tight. Tight and dude, that and bro, now Joe was overboard when he wouldn't even let his kids call him die, man. Now that's crazy, right? Yeah, call him Joseph, bro. I don't know what that was, man.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

I don't either, but okay. Amen. Joe's he strike the fear in his kids, though. He did. Not even just Mike, not even just Mike, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:37

Exactly, exactly. You know, I mean, you know, not to you know, to to amalgamate movies and bring them in and out, but that you know, searching never land or whatever, man. You see when your boy Randy came when came in on Mike, and he's like, There's only one person that can deal with him, and and you gotta call Joe, you know, and and Joe stepped on the scene, bro, and got him fixed quick. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Hey man, you know, like Mike said, man, you don't know Randy, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Right, right. He said, Y'all don't know him, man. He he will follow us to this gig and he's gonna show his butt, man. I'm telling you, y'all don't know him. What the dude crashed the gate in crash through the gate, bro. Know that he got armed guards on the other side and didn't care, man. Dude, that's that's crazy, dude.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah, but you know, I know it's a Michael, and this movie's is titled Michael. So um I know somebody uh somebody was talking about. I know Mike wasn't the only one that got weapons. No, he wasn't. No, no, he wasn't. Absolutely. No, but you know, but Joe is getting demonized, he's getting dragged through the cold, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Online.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

I was like, man, I just really don't like that.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

They came, bro, that and the reason why I said that, you know, like you know, the the the scene they showed when he, you know, got whipped with the belt. Bro, I'm hearing people saying stuff crazy. Like, oh my god, I can't believe that you know that he could do that, and Catherine wouldn't turn him in, and they wouldn't pull the book. This is this was how this was just Tuesday for us growing up, bro. You you tripped, you got whooped, man. You know what I mean? It's fine as your parents, and all of our discipline comes from our parents' perception of what they feel we did. Bro, bro, oh my god, that's a whole nother thing. That could be a show by itself, bro. Absolutely, so yeah. Discipline was part of our growing up, bro, and physical discipline, and we didn't perceive that as beating, we saw that as getting whooped, or you know, for we didn't we didn't equate that with baiting, bro. But today, or abuse they want you or abuse, or abuse, thank you, friend I abuse. Today, bro, they want to throw you in jail for it, man. Yeah, come on, and I just don't like that. I don't like the demonization uh of that.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

And I and I have a heart, so I don't know what the what the uh the what Jermaine and the siblings feel about it, uh, but I know they love the movie, and I know and I know Jer Jermaine is really into it because his son, not only is uh his uh his grandson is in it. Uh we know when on that Michael Jackson when he was doing the Motown 25 performance and they shot to the crowd and it was a young boy doing, you know, like his eyes open. That was uh that was Jermaine's grandson. Oh, he light skinned kid. Okay. Okay. And then also I noticed that the the person that was cast as Jermaine looked most like Jermaine compared to the other siblings.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Right Jackie Marlin, like Jackie Marlin, which one is which?

SPEAKER_04 29:36

Right, which one is right, I said I know which one Jermaine, because that dude like Jermaine, Jermaine part.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Like, I got he's gonna be like, I'm picking mine, right.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah, no, I I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

But they went into they got first showing, you know, they got the um private screening, yeah. And that's where you heard the story about Jenny did like it. But the rest of them, well, uh LaTeoya, La Toya Marlin and and uh Jackie loved it.

Why The Music Comes First

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Yeah, and uh yeah, so it was it bro, it for what it was, it was done really well. Yeah, it was now do now. Do you is it a lot more we would have liked to seen or could have seen? Yes, man, but to me, introducing him to another generation, this was the best way to do that. Yeah, because because it's the music, it's the music, man, that is really we know Michael Jackson because of the music. Take the music away, Michael Jackson's it would have just been another person, man. We wouldn't have known about his life and all of this stuff, but it's the music we come together over his music. We meet at the concerts, bro, over his music. We watched the we I looked at this is it last night, you know, because of the music, and then and the music and it hyped me up. I stopped the movie and went over and started watching thriller. And then when I watched thriller, I watched Remember the Time, and it just it just opens you back up, man, to like this dude was such a magnificent talent. And when you use the term a once-in-a-lifetime artist, man, it is not wasted on this man. He was literally that dude. And it and not and just his whole persona, who do you know that just impacts people? I mean, I'm looking at this, is it, and people that are artists and they great in their own right, man, and they just say, Man, the dude's presence when he just comes in the room, it's just it's it's infectious. You got dancers that do this, that he up on stage, man, and they just mesmerized by what he's doing. You got a girl standing right next to him singing a song with him, and she loses herself in the moment to where he looked over at her and got a point to her, like to look out towards the crowd and hit your parts. You know what I mean? Because he's just he pulls you in with his that man, the dude was just magical. And I really don't know a whole bunch of different words you can use, man. The dude, he he was that guy, man, when it came to to music, man. Yeah, when you uh hold on.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah, Rock Ken was barking. Um when you were talking about the uh part two, you know when they first when they first was filming this, they had like four hours of footage. Wow. So yeah, they're they they were going they were fleshing every fleshing everything out, but then you know they came across and realized that uh they had to do some reshoots because um the allegations and some things in that was involved in that said you couldn't represent that in the movie. So they had to do the whole bunch of reshoots, man. They had to go I think they the reshoots took over 22 days in June and last year in 2025. Wow. You know, so yeah, and it costed them between 10 and 15 million.

unknown 33:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

And so yeah, and that's why the film the film concludes uh with a 1988 concert, bad tour focusing on Jackson's career instead of rather than the scandal, because they were gonna go into the scandal. Yeah, yeah, that's where they cut it short. But they're gonna um put that part too. I said uh they said it's it's being discussed that it'll be released possibly next year because all the film all the footage that they already have.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

Wow, wow, yeah, that's that's that's something, dude.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

This movie would have been out. This movie should have been out.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Wow, yeah, because yeah, I remember I do remember them talking about this, man, years ago. Yeah, and but to me, man, the timing, I think it's and and actually the unveiling and the representation of it, I think it's perfect because before you know all about the other stuff in his life, man, you you need the music ought to take the precedence. So if you're gonna introduce him to a new culture, you know, a new generation, uh let them get to meet him the same way we did. You know, we knew the music first. And and then you the other stuff, man, that comes along because of it, you know, and and get to be and have a fair uh give people an opportunity to have make a fair, you know, determination about how they feel about whatever they feel, yeah. But do it in light of being able to see his music being one thing and him being a person being another. Because we all, bro, if you had cameras following our life around, got some unsavory things that we wouldn't like to have, uh, whether they're allegations or no, that we wouldn't like the public to know about us. You know, and uh he bro, this dude, come on, man. I always say, other than Jesus Christ, bro, there's nobody on the planet that's probably known like him.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Um, you know, and then you're talking about the new generation, even our generation. I've I've talked to people that uh learned things from the movie. Wow. Oh, okay. Okay the Vitilago, man. People were uh and another thing too that wasn't discussed in the movie that I just recently learned. Remember that we talked about that, they call it the thrad era between thriller and bag. Remember when Michael his hair looked just did it's just his hair wasn't just there, his skin looked, he had gained some weight. He was he had lupus, man. He was going through lupus. Wow, so I guess that also like accelerated his skin changing like that, and then put some weight, so that's why he looked so off.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

I just found that out, and I was like, wow, I didn't know. Look at that, see?

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Yeah, so stuff you don't know, man.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

See, so yeah, because I was like, What? I know he was going through a transition, and I know he was trying, he was changing. I I saw that as he was changing his look, but right he had some health issues that he was dealing with that made him look that way, and also too, and people uh be kind. Uh the things that people are saying about Latoya Jackson, man, it's it's unfair. Wow. Uh Latoya, you could at least eat a sandwich, man. No, this woman is going through health issues.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Do you think she wants to look that skinny? No.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Same.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

Um I because I follow on Instagram. It's times where you know she don't tell you, but she be like, Here, I'm at the doctor at doctor's office again. I'm trying to get this under control. That's all she says. And then you look it up, she having she has some type of intestinal issues and stuff. And come on, like, man, call her skeletor skeleton, eat a snow. Man, man, this woman's a celebrity. Her famil her she's in the public eye, so she always wants to look her best. Sure, absolutely. The way she looked now is because of health issues, not because she's choosing to look that way.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Look at that, man.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

So yeah, man, y'all gotta be kind.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Thanks for saying that, bro.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Upsetting me, man. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

And then, like, what she about she in her 70s, about the same as me.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Yeah, I just got down, man.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Oh man, and then and and here, and another thing too, bro, is that you know, and we talked about this before, but maybe not in in this detail and in this vein. But man, even when you was watching, and that's why I like seeing like this movie, Mike, because it it represented one thing, but then when you go see see the other movies, like you said, the Jacksons, the American Story, and Searching Neverland, and all of these, and you start seeing the documentaries, and you get a chance to put the whole puzzle together to pieces. And one of the things, dude, that is just that we forget, man, is that these bro, I work at a desk, and when I like, if I sit on for three hours, four hours, and I jump up, bro. I'm 55, man. My my my my jump up ain't like it used to be, bro. Right, you know what I mean? And I gotta take a minute and walk and you know, and stuff to start loosening back up, man. You know what I'm saying? You talking about this dude was 50, and he said, look, and then he hired on to do 10 shows, they booked 50 of them.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 39:29

He thinking he now I can give you all the mic that you remember for 10 shows at 50. They booked 50 shows, dude. And by the time he even knew it, they was all sold out. Like, bro, you're gonna have to do these shows. He literally in that movie, man, the surgery, he's like, Man, this is gonna kill me, dude. This is gonna kill me, man. He was like, there's people Michael Jackson fans want to see Michael Jackson, and they want to see it from the time I come out to the last moment, man. They said that Mike back in the day, dude, would lose two pounds in a show, yeah. You know how much energy you dispeling, bro, to lose two pounds in one moment, bro. Like in just you know, in a couple of hours. Come on, bruh.

unknown 40:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:21

He was a perfectionist, man. He was, and the thing is, man, he loved his this dude loved his fans. He caught his fans family, bro. I mean, when you when you turned me on to that book with the bodyguards, when the people were found out where he stayed and they was camping outside his house and police was arising him, he said, Man, go out there and tell those police, leave them alone. They can be there. It's okay. And he goes out, man. And bro, people that just get a smile and a wave from this man could just do wonders for them in their personal lives. We don't get that, we don't connect with that, but there are some people, man, that just had that much draw on this dude, man. And he knew that and he respected it and he tried to live up to it, dude. And he read and he read his fan letters, and it might uh he would ask for this fan man. Get my fan back, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Get my fan back. Uh that one scene in the movie with the bodyguards when they was reading it, proof reading it, make sure and uh other child said that uh his music got them through the cancer, and uh right, man. He beat and beat it, he beat cancer.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Beat cancer, come on, dude. Come on, yeah, see, yeah, that's what I'm saying, man. This bruh, folk need to as you be kind, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Be kind, man.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Be kind, dude.

Motown 25 And Seeing MJ Live

SPEAKER_00 41:50

So, what is your favorite Michael Jackson performance, man? You think about it.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

Oh man, dude. I mean, it's it's cliche, but you know, I gotta go, I gotta go back to the Motown 25, bro.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

There it is.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

That's that's what that's what, bro. I was always a Michael Jackson fan, but that that performance turned changed everything, bro.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

I think we were there to see it in real life.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

We watched it live, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yes, yes, and the impact it had, we felt all of that. We was there. I've never seen anything like that in my life. No, I think the closest was that purple rain era, man. That per was Prince was just but that Motown, bro. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he did, he it unveiled the moonwalk.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

Just his look, man. He with he been with his brothers.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

It was every yeah, it was the whole thing, bro.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Yeah, that his costume, yeah, it was everything, it was perfect.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

It was perfect, dude. It was something that you never it was it was an experience, man, that just you just never had, man. And yeah, to this day, I remember it, bro. Just looking, and you know, we had the VHS, bro. And you you wouldn't allow to have company upstairs, you were playing, and I'm I had to plan and you had to be at the stairs looking for company upstairs is a beast, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

And it was like, man, I was so close, but yet so far you were the only person I knew that had that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

I wanted to see it so bad. That was like, dude, that was currency, man.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

Yo, man, dude. Dude, you know, you know, I just watched it over and over and over and dude, yes, it wasn't until I got the uh making a thriller where I was able to.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Have like part of that. Yeah. The whole performance. But yeah, and I wore that out too.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

Catching the bus to Fairlane. Had the money for it. Like, how much? I think 1999, or 14, whatever it was.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

Off the bus, grabbed that mug, came back home, man.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

There it is, bro. We had the top low.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

We had the top low VHS. Put that.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Click, click, click, click. Like, whoa. Here all the operational all of the mechanics, bro.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

You hear everything. And then you stop it and it still gives you that little extra sound. Like it had to slow down, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Man, you couldn't tell me nothing, though.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Dude, for sure, man. What was okay? So you Motown 25 was yours. I I never got to see Mike perform live. So uh how how would what's that experience? What was that experience?

SPEAKER_00 45:07

But you know what, man? I would say this, and this would put and not it's hard to separate the two, but that's what separate Mike's for Prince. When you see a Michael Jackson show, you see a Michael Jackson show. He doesn't veer from it too much. He might have like maybe somebody in the background different, but he his his his set list is usually the same. And then he's gonna, and because his videos are so iconic, he's gonna perform them. So you're gonna know it's not a good one.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

So you're gonna see it.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Okay, yeah, you're not gonna veer too much. So uh if you've seen a Michael Jackson concert on video or on YouTube, anything you it's it's that man.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

I mean it's just that, but it's but it came it gotta be different though, being in the atmosphere live though.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:59

I mean, it was it was it was or or is it not because he his presence is so you know overwhelming that when you're watching it on TV, you know, you folk. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

I when I saw him alive, I had I I didn't have the reaction I thought it was. I was no, I you know, man, I ain't I envision me falling out I didn't have that in me. I was just happy to see that not just and I was fixated. I went to see every movie they did, and you know, so it was yeah. I mean, the smooth criminal thing that was crazy seeing that line, you know. I would say that I can imagine because it went dark and an explosion, boom, then they start leading forward.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Yeah, oh man, it was it was it was bananas, man.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

But yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say they they can't be his shows can be predictable, yeah. But but just see him, you know, just like when you you see it on TV and then see it live is crazy because like when I saw uh Chuck Berry do the duck walk. I mean, I went bananas, man.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

I think oh wow, you know, it's Chuck Berry.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

I you know, he's the architect of rock and roll, and then yeah, I just see him do the duck walk all the time, and then when I saw him, he was advancing age and he still was bending down and doing oh, you saw him live, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

Him and uh and little Richard, man. Wow, man, they were at the Michigan State Fair.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Really?

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Little Richard came on first, and you know, and then he he he blew it off and then blew the stage off, and then came and just ripped the rest off.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

Man, dude, I know something, dude.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

Man, and talking about professionals, wow we talking about their hits were in the 50s, you know, right, right, and they rocked the stage.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Wow, nice.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

And I was in my what I was in my 20s, and I was amazed. Man, wow, so but yeah, Mike had that same effect, man. He had that same effect. Um and yeah, so it was it came it his shows were predictable after a while. Yeah, we'll just seeing Mike in person doing it on the TV. I think that was you know, that was the thing, that was a different stat.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

Sure, sure, yeah. I would have liked to have experience that man, you know, but I didn't get to I didn't get to catch it though, but that's how I would love to see the the victory tour, but I saw the bad tour is what I saw. Oh, is what you oh you didn't see the victory tour.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

No, I saw bad.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

What you mean? You didn't see the victory tour, bruh. Do you I don't know if you remember, man, back um you said your sister went, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Yeah, both of them went, man. I was pissed.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

There was a time, I don't know. I think my because my cast he had to step in, but it was a time where you only could buy four tickets at a time. I don't know if that was the issue. Yeah, if you was going to the concert, you had to be at four tickets at a time. Oh, okay. Wow. And I don't know uh who else would have gone with me, and I don't know if my mom had the time.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

But oh, so you saying that you literally to buy the tickets, you had to buy four tickets.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Yeah, at one point that that was a controversy, and then Mike came in.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

I ain't never heard that, dude.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Yeah, oh man, it was bad. And so then all then also the price tickets was high too. Let the people buy the tickets as they want and and lower the price tickets. I think the price was what$25.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Oh snap.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

Yeah,$25 is still considered high, bro. But then you talking four, so you're talking about hundred by hundred bucks and change. So uh, but yeah, but yeah, Mike Mike put a stop to that. And then he's like, donate all my donate all my profits to charity.

SPEAKER_03 50:04

And so wow, man. See, and that was another thing, man. The dude's his philanthropy, man, was just you know, off the charts, man. Um I mean, even his lawsuit with Pepsi, bro, he donated the proceeds to the you know, to the Byrne, you know, institute, you know, wherever he was at to being treated, man. I mean, that was bro, that was in the the seven figures that you know settlement from Pepsi. And he just said, just donate it to the I mean, and you know, people can take that. Well, you know, that's no man, that that's that's a heart that that is different, bro.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Yeah, I know that was uh tough. He and no, he was like, Man, I even want to do this, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:50

That's man, and see, and to and we talked about this on when we did Mike's the other episode, but bro, if it wasn't for him, because of his, you know, Joe, the pressure, and him doing stuff as family, man, people still don't realize to this day there was no thriller tour. There was never a tour of with off for himself for his solo album, bro. The greatest grossing album of all time, or off the wall. There's no other or off the wall, bro. And but you get to see it when he did it with his brothers. That's when you see the him do the thriller and all that stuff. But he was or in some other concert, you know, he he's doing songs from that stuff, but it's it wasn't promoting that album, and he he he he stepped away from that and did the victory tour. Was that victory or was that which one? The one when he didn't do the thriller, he went on tour with his brothers. Which tour was that?

SPEAKER_00 51:56

That was victory.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

Was that victory? Yeah, that was victory, and he did that, and then he didn't want to do the do the deal with Pepsi, and he did he did a lot of stuff, man, for his family and for Joseph and all of them, man. And if to this day, if he wouldn't have done that, Pepsi, he wouldn't have never got burned, he wouldn't have never got addicted to you know the pills and stuff, because he hated taking medication, yeah. And they was like, bro, you suffer your nerve damage is so bad, you're gonna be in such a I can't even imagine being in pain like that in my head, bro.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

No, I had on top, oh, then they were talking about sewing hair in and all.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Oh man, right, dude. Oh man, come on.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Uh I felt so bad. That really was bad, and that is it was very bad, bro. We we talked about it, and you know, they kind of gloss over that, but no, that's huge.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Third degree burns, dude.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

Come on, man. Third degree burn burr, bro. They put people in induced comas that got third-degree burns because the pain is so excruciating. They say they gotta give it, give them time to heal, you know, for the for the body to begin to, you know, to reconstruct those nerves and stuff, dude. He didn't do any of that. I mean, how long was I mean for in the movie, bro? They was like, your boy Joe trying to put him back on the scroll, bro. When he gonna be ready to be out.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Oh, come on, people.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Oh, right. Joe Joe did do some stuff that you know got people like man, he did some stuff that's why he get that's why he gets people's hatred, man. He did do some things, man.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

He did, he did do some things.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

You know, he had another family, too.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Nah, nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, but that's the Joe story. That ain't the money. Joe was out cold. Now I didn't say, I didn't say I said I don't like the way people did not Joe for yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 54:16

No, no, no. But Joe did some alcohol stuff, bro. He did some alcohol stuff.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Man, because he be saying the same stuff.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

I'm like, Joe was out there though.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

The fact that hey, bro, I'm gonna I'm gonna touch on this and we keep on going, but okay, the fact that he had another family, and his daughter from that family was able to call him dad was oh man, you talking about a kicking man. What's the daughter met the uh you know when she finally met the the siblings, man? And she called him daddies.

SPEAKER_03 54:55

They said that Janet in front of them, bro.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

Janet just up abruptly just left the table, bro.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

Bro, can you? I don't blame her, man. I'm like, you know, do you know what you with had withheld from your children connecting with you on that level, man? Yeah, they can't they can't call you dad, you know. Come on, bro, and then some and then you got this extended family over there that then nobody know about, and now you want us to embrace them and and and get to know them, and that child can call you dad, yeah, dude. The trauma that came with that, it had to be crazy.

Ranking Albums And Favorite Tracks

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Yeah, uh what the one I the thing the story I saw I saw they said Rebe was the only one that embraced her, right? See, let's do a Rebe movie, man. She came across as Mother Teresa, man. I don't know, right? Yeah, all right, man. Uh let's hit these albums, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

I sent you the what are your five top favorite Michael albums, man?

SPEAKER_03 56:11

My top five favorite, man. It it was bro, it was doing the it was during the epic era, man. And honestly, it was what's so funny about it. My top five favorite albums was during the epic era, and it was literally in the succession of how it they were released under Epic. So, yeah, I mean, literally, in in order, Off the Wall was my favorite Mike album of all time. Thriller was my next one, Bat was my next one, Dangerous was my next one, and then history was my next one. Literally, how they released them during that era under Epic is literally how it is in succession, just like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Oh, okay, yeah, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, I mean, I actually was like, I didn't know that until you asked me, and I had to look it up. I didn't, I did not know that, you know. I knew what my first my favorite five were, but I didn't know how they were, you know, you know, in succession or how they were released. And when I seen that, I was like, man, that's literally my top five right there. So okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

What about the singles from those?

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so off the wall, my top three, and uh top three, and I don't necessarily say they're in order of one, two, three, just depend it just depends on what mindset I'm in at the time. But my top three on there is rock with you, off the wall, and don't stop till you get enough. So those my top three on that. So I'm just I'm gonna just blade just blaze through them all. So on thriller is Billy Jean, thriller, lady in my life. On bad, it's another part of me, Liberian Girl, then bad. And dangerous, it's remember the time, jam, and can't let her get away. And history, it's scream, earth song, and come together.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

And before I go off of that, come together, because me and wifey was talking about that. And like I said, man, you the Mike, you know, mentor. So when it comes to Michael Jackson, we we instantly we have our conversation, and then we instantly want to know what you think. Okay. So when I asked her and went out, because I was putting my list together, and when I asked her, I said, um, I said, Babe, I was like, Do you like, did you like this Mike song? And she was like, well, it's I guess the better question would be which songs I didn't like of Mike's, but you know, it's easier. But she was like, but you know, obviously some I really did, and some were just okay. But she really loves come together, you know, his version of Come Together on history. Yeah, and uh, and me too. Like I said, it's in my top three. And uh, she was like, I wonder, you know, because so many people clowned it and didn't think like it was that great. And she was like, You make sure when y'all do that podcast, I and I want to hear it. She said, So she said, You ask Sean how he felt about coming together and let it, and I want to know that it was a conversation, him to know it was a conversation between you and me. So shout out wifey, bro, so she can know what's up, sis.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

I like when she gets involved. Okay, let's do this. Uh man, I love the Beatles way better than Mike.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

Mike did did you did you like theirs better?

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Okay, yeah, I was in the I was in the Michael Jackson post, and they they have they was talking about that same topic, and um yeah, I was like, nah, man. That Beatles is a rock song, and they just man, okay, okay. I feel like rock is funky.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

Uh oh, dude, it's so funky. Mike, he puts his touch on it, he puts his flair on it, he pop it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Okay, I see that. I see that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

I I I like it rock.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

You like it, you like it rock out. Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

Like the original version, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

But you do like Mike's version.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not one that I go to listen to. If it comes on Okay, gotcha. If it comes on, I'll listen to it. I don't I want to.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

If you want to hear it come together, you want to the Beatles to listen to it. Okay, gotcha. Okay, okay. Okay. See me, I'd go to Mike's version. But I feel but I feel you though. I feel you. You're right. It they give you the more of the rock tone. Yeah. Okay, so there you have it. He hit it for you. Okay. Give me yours, man. What's yours?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Favorite album is thriller. And you know what? I know people, and I will never argue, you it's no argument when you I when somebody says off the wall is a better album, it's no argument there. Um thriller to me is just more polished, and and it and is a reason why it sold a gajillion copies, you know, and people going to make you feel bad for liking something that's so mainstream, but thriller is is that it's really that was right. Like somebody described it, it's like the thriller album, like in the 80s was like having a appliance, it's like having a microwave. Everybody had to have one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Somebody everybody had to have one, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:59

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

Oh, yeah, it was in everybody's home. So throw legit. So Billy Jean, beat it, and PYT are my favorite songs on there.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

The number two is off the wall. Um, you know, disco boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

For sure. That's that's why I was kind of shocked. You it thriller was over off the wall, because of the disco vibe went off the wall.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Uh man. I guess I guess because they came out with you know, the particular time frame they came out, the memories I have with the thriller, bro. Yeah, yeah, makes it makes me put it in front of iconic, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

Iconic, you know, the memories I have of you with thriller being out with seven grade huge seventh grade, and my brother and I being on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Just it's so much going on in there, and just just being like you said, real time, the Motown 25, all that stuff is just but off the wall is there though. Uh so off the wall, my favorite song's Off the Wall, Rock With You, and I Can't Help It.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:10

Okay, okay, and that's a tough one. I struggle with that one, yeah, not getting that one on there, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

And then bad, I would say uh the way you made me feel smooth criminal and dirty Diana.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

Okay, then the next one wifey shared that one, Dirty Diana. Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

Yeah, he rocked on that one. Uh he did. Uh then dangerous. Whoo, dangerous man. Remember the time in the closet, dog. Yeah, and uh man, the third one I probably listened to the most is who is it? Who is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:55

Oh, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

He's boxing too.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:58

Oh man, oh man, that is so dope. Did you ever see when he did that on Oprah? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, that was so crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:07

It sounded like it sounded like two people be boxing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

Yes, that was insane, man. Insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

Woo! And then the history boy, man, dude, when I came out, I wore it out. I had uh what is that? Uh I had a uh it was a Chevy car. I can't think of the model of the car. It was red.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

What you had at the time? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

But I had um had my CD player hooked up in there, man. History out, history out, going through Inktown, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

Okay, now what was what was your what was your favorite ones on history?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

Okay, um, this time around. Oh man, yeah, yeah, with Biggie, man. Come on, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

That was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:01

Tabloid junkie. I love that one. This time alone, tabloid junkie.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Oh man, oh I give me goosebumps. Scandal. Sin is not a sin.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Um, tabloid jack. Um, you're not alone. Oh, I hate to say that, but you're not alone. Oh, okay. Okay. You know the reason I said it because of the writer of it, but you know who wrote it?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

Robert L. Oh, I'm sorry. I wouldn't even ask you if I didn't even say it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:55

Oh well, man, but you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Well, you know what. What that just told me, I mean, I always knew this, so I ain't gonna say that just told me, but what that says a lot about you is your your character, is your authentic your authenticity in who you are, bro, because for you to still give that that that choice the way that you feel about Robert.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

I be straight saying his I be strange saying they had his government name on him.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:38

Right, you get Robert L.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

I mean I don't know if his middle name is L, but it's Robert Kelly, but I need I tend to put L in the middle of somebody's name if I don't know their middle name.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:00

Nah, I gotta look it up, baby. It might be an L.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:05

Robert Lamont Kelly.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:07

Right, right.

The 2010 Michael Album Controversy

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Uh okay, I don't want to talk about before we head up out of here, man. We uh the Poshmas albums, man. Uh yeah, the Michael, uh, the controversial Michael album in 2010, man. Oh, that when I first heard that album, I can say now that I you know now I listen and I'm following the podcast and talking about that. Um did you get a chance to listen to that episode I sent you?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

Um which which one?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:41

I sent you um an episode of the podcast I listened to talking about this album, this Michael album.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

No, okay. When when did you send it?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:51

Yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

No, man, I have I did not.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:54

I don't even think I saw it. It was in box. It was it was you must have overlooked it because after I asked you about the albums and the singles, I I put that in there. I said, check that out.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:04

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I'm gonna have to go back and listen to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:07

Well anyway, this um this album came out in 2010 and it was highly anticipated. Uh when I heard it, you know, you I I understand why I understood why that that they were on the cutting on the cutting room floor. Um but there are some cool songs on there, but then there were three songs on there, bro, that didn't sound like Michael Jackson to me. And it just was off-putting. And so I didn't, it wasn't a topic that I was having with, I wasn't having these conversations with anybody like man, you know that song breaking bad. Yeah, um, breaking news is called Oh, I thought you saw my okay. Uh breaking news. Uh it's three songs. Let me see. Um It's three Behind the Masy. Let's see.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

And see, I never really listened to uh other than a lot of those, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

They called them the Casio tracks. Um Eddie Casio. Uh let me see. Yeah, breaking news, breaking news is one of them. And there were two other songs. Breaking News Monster. Monster has uh 50 Cent on it, and then Keep Okay, Keep Your Head Up, right? So they were about to release this album. So I'm gonna give you my experience first. So I listened to it and I'm like, it don't sound like Mike to me. And so what I did is just stop, I just avoided them, just wouldn't even listen to him because my my soul was just was rejecting it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

So but before they released it, before Sony released an album, they were actually like they were going around people that worked with Michael Jackson that had some Michael Jackson um tracks that was in the vault, a lot of demos, a lot of uh music that was unfinished. So, you know, back in 2007, Michael Jackson lived with the with the Casio family, right? You know, pronounced the Casio or Casillo, whatever. But he stayed with them, and so during that time there was a studio built in their basement, and he recorded some songs there. Okay, okay. So when they were talking about releasing an apostamous album, the Casio's uh the the um the Michael Jackson state said we need we want we want we want some of those Casio tracks. So they they sent the whole bunch of tracks. So the three songs they they uh agreed on was Breaking News Monster and Keep Keep Your Head Up. And uh so they they brought some execs in, they brought some of the family members in there. Uh Tarot Jackson, uh Tito's son was there, Teddy Riley, some other people and they listened to these songs. And Tarot Jackson's like, oh, that's not my uncle. That's not that's not Mike. So they went, so uh Sony and the Michael Jackson State was trying to, they wanted to push these songs out. For some reason, they said Cassio tracks gotta be a part of this project. Terry was like, No, Teddy Riley was initially Teddy Riley, man. Teddy Riley, man. I kind of lost respect for him. He um he was part of this process, and so initially he said some of the songs sound like them, some of them don't. So he had he was having this conversation with his manager, and he was having this conversation with Terrell Jackson, like, nah man, this this ain't this ain't your uncle, blah blah blah. I work with him, and so then they took the music, so they wanted to do a listen in front of the uh Sony. So they took these songs, and when they got there, your boy Teddy's like, oh, that's definitely Michael Jackson. Oh snap. He he he needed the money. They were paying 25, 75,000 per track.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:11

Oh snap.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:13

And he he and Terry Jackson, who you know, Terrell was part of the 3T, so he was a musician in his own right. They went in there to produce these tracks. Uh Teddy Teddy Raleigh submitted uh a talking part of the song, and so in doing so, he asked for he asked for some of the proceeds to the song. He wanted some of the profits, some of the music that threw up a red flag, and tarot also was part of it, but he didn't they mean they exclude him completely out of the project. Wow, because he was talking against it, like that's not my uncle. Yeah, they even isolated the tracks, the vocal. So what and one thing they talk about in the movie, Mike couldn't keep still in the end, right? You know what I'm saying? Snapper and snapping. Absolutely. These songs, when they stripped just vocal, we didn't hear any of that. And then what people's like, man, that's not Michael Jackson's verbato. Right, his verbrato is always controlled, always, always controlled. This guy's not this whoever's on here is not controlled, and so the Cassio said they was like, Well, what about where about where are the other tracks that was you know, the uh draft tracks? Oh, Michael said that his this take was so good, he told us to get rid of the uh oh man, come on, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:35

Right, right, stop that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

Mighty Mike, they said Mike never did that. It's like even if Mike even asked to do that, as a recording artist, you don't do that, you save right everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

So they did isolate these tracks, man. And and what the Casio brothers did, especially Eddie, he took he took uh some outtakes from other songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

They when they listen to the track, that's like that's from that's from the Earth song, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:09

Oh yeah, oh man, yeah. So they Sony and so the Sony wasn't listening to the fans, fans was rejecting it like nah. Come to find out, it's this dude. You can look him up when you get a chance, man. This dude's name is um Jason Malachi, bro. Sounds a lot like Michael Jackson. So the Cassio, Eddie Cassio, get Jason uh Malachi the same Michael Jackson's part. Wow, dude, but they went through like Quincy Jones. They asked Quincy Jones, he said, I could never I can't confirm or deny. But there's people like Greg Filling Games and people that was Bruce Wadean, people that worked with him in the studio said it was Mike, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

Said it was him, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:58

Wow, and they were saying that's how believable it was, but then it was like the family, the family immediately rejected, tarot immediately rejected. There's you know Teddy immediately immediately rejected. He got compromised, so that's exactly, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:17

It is people is it's if it's spendable, bro. And you know what I mean? If they can, if they if it can be bought, man, people will they'll sell it, bro. Everybody got their different price, man. And this is this is why you gotta get to the point, man, where your integrity and your you know the way that you do and transact business, it's gotta go beyond money, man. It's gotta be some stuff out here that just cannot be bought, bro. Yeah, it can't be bought, man. And dude, to to do you, you one minute say, no, that's not Mike. I wrote, I mean, I worked with him, but I know that ain't him. And then when you stand in front of these execs and people then wrote some checks, then you then you can you sign off, man. Uh yeah, I can I can see how you can you can lose respect for that, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Yeah, and his manager too, she's like, that was the last time she worked with Teddy. I don't know how long she worked with him prior to this project, but it got b it got real contentious. She she uh alleged that Teddy grabbed her physically, like demanding stuff from her. You go because he he because uh the executive of Michael Jackson Estate was uh Branca, who was in the movie, and John McLean. I guess John McClain is a big sug type figure. Okay, and Teddy didn't want to go before him. So he sent his manager to do that, and he he's like, and so uh so he grabbed his manager's this is her account that he grabbed, like, you better tell him that I want this and this and that. And um, so she wow, she's like, that's when she said he he get he was on the hinge and oh man, she left him alone. Wow, but yeah, uh I see go ahead, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

No, I was gonna say, did you um did you ever see that uh clip of him talking, Teddy Riley, when he's talking about uh what the work he did, you know, on the dangerous album when he did the the remember the time and all that, and he would and he wasn't compensated for it? Yeah, yeah. Did you see you you've heard that? Yeah, yeah. See, and see, and that that goes more of that stuff right there. So if you felt that you weren't given what you had coming back, and and that time, of course, man, you already got some stuff built in and and built up that you wanna, you know, feel that you owed, you know, and if you could capitalize off of something that Mike's, you know, and he ain't even, you know, ain't even there, and you don't, you know, just to get you some money, bro, you know, folk folk do that kind of stuff, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

Dude, the Cassio family, bro. When we know Mike was going through his financial issues, we talked about he lived it with them in New Jersey, he was there for two and a half months, man. And he called them this his second family. So do you know that do you know that after that that terrible documentary Leaving Neverland, yeah, Cassio family, man, who knew Michael Jackson since childhood, man, they started confiding with each other. That's what they said, that they confide in each other about their experiences and their quote-unquote alleged abuse. And so around that time, they entered a discussion with Michael Jackson State. So by early 2020, they had these discussions led to a settlement, bro. Uh, non-disclosure calls is a requirement, requirement to uh resolve any disputes through private arbitration and substantial payments. Reports vary from 2.8 million to each sibling, a total of 60 million over several years. Essentially, the family signed a confidential agreement in exchange for financial compensation to keep any disputes and allegations out of the public courts. Wow, and so now I guess they were doing it, but somehow that stuff got made it to light this year, right when the movie about to drop. Of course, so that came out, and so they wanted that, and then I sent you that one thing. Um that uh what is that called the soft white underbelly, whatever. The PR guy. Uh yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna be the bearer of bad news. Y'all go check it out. It's called the Soft White Underbelly, and it's a documentary, it's an interviewer in style, and it's um yeah, it's uh Michael Jackson's PR, PR manager that worked with him after the two 2005 uh molestation trial. So yeah, if you are curious about that, you go check that out. I'm not gonna discuss that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

All these people, man, they they money grabbing, bro. They trying to get a bag, man, because of the hype around the movie. And you know, I know you said we ain't gonna get into that to that particular interview, but I mean if you want to, I mean, what you would you think about it? I mean, man, you know what? He he seemed like he had a lot of detail that a person that, you know, you're like, uh he's kind of giving a lot of detail. It might be some some some merit to what he's saying. But here's what does it for me. When it when looking at everything that he said, listening to everything he said, when whoever the person's interviewing him, they were like, Did you see any of this stuff for yourself? Everything that he said saw was peripheral.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:04

He haven't he didn't see it himself, he was not an eye witness to any of the acts that he's saying that he's pretty sure based on this that he probably did do this. And but then you and then you want to bring in the logic because who would do this and this not be the case? But what I always always hold to is that you gotta understand, yes, we're looking at this man, he is amazing talent, he he got a lot of you know sway in the building. He can he can have anything and just about that he wants, you know, but bro, you cannot ignore the fact that this dude was enamored with with Peter Pan, with magic, with you know, just fantasy. He loved that world, cartoons. This dude watched cartoons, man. We do too, but I mean, these was his preferences, bro. Yeah, you know, so so you gotta think, yeah, we're looking at a full-grown man in every sense of the word, but his heart was at a different level than you know, than ours from the way that we perceive perceive things, man. Mike would do do these shows and do all this stuff, man, and shut his life and go home. You know what I mean? He he he would go to some parties and do, you know, and stuff like that, but he did not live that life. So for the for the access he had to a lot of stuff, he did not get into a lot of the corruption of the end uh of the industry. He maintained that childlike approach to a lot of stuff. So if you see, tell me he's looking at uh a play Playboy magazine with children, to me, that's just like you see through like us looking at them together. You know what I mean, and looking at them and laughing at the pictures or you know, or or saying something or you know, or being manish about the the pictures or whatever. We did that, you know what I mean? So to me to hear he's doing it, I don't see him doing it from a predatory position. I see him doing it from a mischievous, you know, inquisitive, childlike perspective with other children, you know what I mean? It ain't right. Did he do some things that probably decision-wise and choices? He even says that there's some things I wish I wouldn't have wouldn't have done, but I'm not guilty of that. I'm not guilty of what they're saying I did. I would never touch a child like that, I would never do that. But would he like do some stuff that just don't make sense to us? Yeah, that's all it is. But when you when they asked him, did you see it? And as soon as he said no, bro, then everything else, man, is is circumstantial.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. He just he talked about that uh that magazine, a couple of magazines, yeah, family circle, and what what the Brett Ratner is seeing Brett Ratner, what, what, one o'clock in the morning and trying to get their attention, they just kept walking.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

Um right, right. Yeah, yeah. No, go ahead, man. No, please.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:50

No, I'll just say Brett Ratner, he, you know, his name is Tarnish too, uh, behind that crowd, too.

Allegations Talk And Who Enables What

SPEAKER_03 1:24:57

Right, right. And dude, here's the thing. And let's just say I'm just throwing this out far-fetched, you know, just this is just hypothetically speaking. Let's say that Mike were was guilty of the things I don't believe he was. I'm just using this hypothetical, bro. Let's say he was guilty of the things that people said he did. My thing is all you grown-ups around this situation and you parents and all of this, who is more because if he is guilty of that, he has a problem, bro. He has that's a sickness. And if he is guilty of that, he's operating out of a sick place in his own mentality. Who is more guilty? The person that's suffering from the sickness, or the people that's just sitting around allowing it to go on because the money's flowing, because the stuff you want, bro. If I think a child is is as at risk, man, I'm going in face first, bro. Yeah, I don't care what's going on, I don't care who it is. I am not gonna allow this, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:22

Yeah, you know, but we have learned that a lot of families give up their kids, man. They just they sell them.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:29

They do, man. And bro, that's what I'm saying. Don't keep all of the judgment sticks everybody, you know, wanna wanna beat everybody over the head with, particularly these people that celebrity like that. That's what, bro, and you know, I ain't gonna cross over, but that's why I ain't your boy is where he needs to be, you know, Robert L. If that's what for doing the things he did, man, because he was honing people hostage and you know, and doing all that stuff. So, bro, he he did crimes that he need to be in jail for.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:08

My bad man. I know his middle, his name, his middle name is Sylvester.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:12

That's right, that's right. This short is because you used to call him that Robert Sylvester Cowley. That's right, you did, you did, and uh, and I know your take, but you know, I'm always gonna play an advocate to of perspective. I don't play advocates for the devil, bro. Yeah, right. I just give I just give different perspectives, but yeah, you know, you paying for the crime, you should, but I also recognize, man, that this dude is, you know, it was people that was empowering and enabling him to do the the things he was doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:47

Oh yeah, you get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

Where they at, man? How come nobody knows you know, I thought accomplices and conspires, you know, people that were conspiracy and do to do crime, I thought they got some time too.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

Not if they get the big fish. We got the big name.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:03

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:04

We get you immunity.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:06

Just tell me just roll over on them. Right. Because like you said, we want the big fish. We want to tear them down. And uh yeah, but we're all I think the enablers, bro, are just as they're just as culpable, man. They're just as culpable, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:20

And to me, it becomes a it becomes an enterprise, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:25

It do. No, no, you you're hitting it right on the head, man. And we, you know, I think all this stuff, man, you know, even to make it full circle with this movie, appreciate the movie for what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:39

Appreciate it for what he did, his contribution. A lot of people want to instantly bring in all of the the baggage with it, you know, or like you said, ride the wave of of this, you know, of Mike, you know, this momentum that's back up again around him. And let's bring in with this, you know, with the waves, let's bring in all of the the dredge and all of the stuff with it, man. And it's it's like we can't accept something and it's pure presentation. We always gotta bring some type of of dirt with it, man. For you know, it's not authentic if you ain't gonna tell the whole story. Well, the whole story don't always need to be told in a situation, dude. Especially when it wasn't even about that, it was about the music, it was about him, it was about his impact and and and his inspiration to the world through his through his music. And the dude literally said he believed that music could heal the world, and it does. It does. You you well, yes, it does.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:52

People come out of people come out of comas when they hear music, Gars. They do, they do certain songs that they recognize or grew up with or they love, they hear that song, it come out of comas.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:03

Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, it's powerful, bro. What what is one of one of and you know, you know how we do it, kingdom comes in, whatever we do, even if it ain't, you know, the topic. But man, one of the things we're told is that make melody in your heart unto the Lord with psalms, you know, hymns and spiritual songs. Is why why would that be a a part of a prescription to strengthen yourself spiritually, bro? Make melody with you know in your heart, you know, do and then telling you how to do it, because music is that powerful, man. God made it, and the people who you see are gifted to to do it, you know. What is you know this is bro, all of this stuff is anyway, you can't devoid anything from music. So I think it's befitting. I thought it was amazing to um, you know, present him to another generation and to have, and man, how God is this to have his nephew be in such a position to where not only does he bear an image, but he also could you know do the things that and cultivate that essence of Mike and be able to present it on a movie screen in the in the magnitude that he was able to do it, man, to present it another young person from the generation presenting him to a generation. And I just that is just so amazing to me, man. And you can't separate something so divinely, you know, coordinated, man, from from the impact that it that it's supposed to have.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:58

Man, people are going back, seeing it two, three times.

Theater Experience And Generational Impact

SPEAKER_03 1:32:01

I'm going, I'm gonna go back and say it, bro. Um I'm gonna go back and see it on the big one, the super iMac. Oh man, you got to see it in the D in the D box and all of what was that experience like, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:13

I'm gonna say this. Um, from here on out, it has to be like action movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:18

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:19

A movie, uh music movie? No, it was felt like the speakers was in my seat, and it's like it didn't add nothing to it. No, it just felt like uh, you know, it it uh it just it felt like the bass was in my seat.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

I mean, I'd enjoy that though, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:36

But with like with an action film, because they sway and go.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:39

Yeah, it moves and yeah, give you an explanation. My brain, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:43

You know, this one it was just moving with the beat.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:47

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:47

You know, so it was nothing in the movie that would would call for the chair to have a really the reaction, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:54

Gotcha. I got you.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:55

I won't do that again. Okay, unless it was Prince. Reason I say that because if he was in preparein', I could I could see being on the motorcycle.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:04

Oh, okay, yeah, and you get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:06

Yeah, you know, something like that. Yeah, uh, but yeah, something with a lot of action and something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:12

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:13

Yeah, I was I was yeah, I was gonna mention that uh iMacs was cool. I plan on seeing it tomorrow with my mom taking her for Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:21

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:22

So uh I told her like, hope you get up early. So I'm gonna go early. Yeah, and and on I see on Sunday, I don't know they scaled back the showings or the screens. Yeah, when I check back, when I checked back today, it was only saying that uh it was only on two screens, so we only had okay, they only had the standard and it had also had the iMacs, but it was only a few showings of IMAX. So yeah, let's see what mom won't. I don't think she wanted the D box though.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:54

Yeah, right, right, probably not. Yeah, I we we saw it on the IMAX, but you know they got the super IMAX with the bigger screen and the better, you know, sound system. So yeah, I want to see that, man. But bro, it was from the way it came on all the way through, man. It just it was just great, bro. And you know, and it was good because you saw so many people that were there, black, white, Indian, man. It was a it was an Indian family there, uh, whose uh they had two sons, and one of the you know, they were dressed up like Mike, man, and one of the sons had a red thriller jacket on with the red, you know, Levi's, the jeans, and he was out in the in the um, you know, lobby, man, you know, dancing and moonwalking, bro. And it was it was great to see. And I was glad to see in the lobby and not in the movie, you know. They cutting up, they cutting up they acting up in the movies, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:56

For me in my case, man, I uh it was only three people in the whole theater. You know, I got early. Oh man, it was only three of us.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:04

I was like, yeah, but I kind of want us, I kind of want the cow, the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:10

Yeah, the interaction. Yeah, I mean I will say this, man. When the movie was over, people clapped, you know, a lot of people clapped, and people sat there and did not like really leave right away. So man, it is it it caused you to you sit with some stuff, man, because especially us that that, like you said, got to experience Motown 25 and see a lot of this stuff in real time. See, we're not looking, we were there when these songs came out, bro. You know, when they was dropping. So, you know, as you always say, the soundtrack of our life, man, and you sit there and you reflect, you know, like, man, that was that was good. There was some good times, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:53

I wore my beat it jacket.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:55

Did you wear it?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:57

Did you wear it?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:58

Now, which version of this is this? Which beat it? Is this your third beaded jacket?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:03

Or this is this is the one I got current, and this will be number two.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:09

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:11

So I wore yeah, uh, yeah, I wore that, and I wore the shirt because you know in the video he he had the the the piano shirt, which he had the piano when he got up out of the bed, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:23

Like it was in the end, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:24

Yeah, he was wearing it with the jackets. You know, I wore it, I wore the the the amore shirt.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:30

The actual bull book is it a bull on it? Is that what it is?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:33

No, no, it's it's it's it's a more it's a heart, it's cupid and some oh is it? Oh, okay. Okay, yeah, so I had that on. Yep. But my pump ones, man, and my and my piston hat. I put my smile to it. Hip hop, hip hop it out a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:54

You you you disco hexed it, bro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:58

But it was nice, man. I'll I'll did you when uh the theater you went to, did they have like uh any Michael Jackson souvenir bucket oh yeah, yeah. They didn't have it where I was at.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:09

Are you serious? Oh man, they dude, they had a package you could buy with popcorn, a drink, the hat, the glove, and glasses.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:19

Come on, man. How much about$300?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:24

No, no, it was I think it was like$45,$45. Yeah, it was about$45,$50. Yep. Yeah, I mean, obviously, they was it was cheap stuff, I'm sure. But but yeah, you get the hat, the gloves, and the glasses, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:42

Yeah, I didn't have anything, man. Yeah, they didn't have that.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:46

Which theater did you go to?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:47

Uh Ann Arbor 20.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:50

Ann Arbor 20, okay. Yeah, this is an Imagine Theater.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:54

So yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:55

Yeah, imagine they they tend to go in a little bit. Yeah, stuff like this.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:00

Yeah, that would have been cool to have some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:03

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:06

It just would have been cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:07

That would have gone in your display room, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:12

I was looking for some stuff, man. I gotta man, I might probably have to go other theaters because I I follow people that go to different theaters and collect these uh popcorn buckets.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:23

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:24

And they had, you know, they had the hat and they had the other stuff. But yeah, I it was exciting, man. Um, like Eric's Eric, my boy Eric said, um, when he went to the theater when it came on, we know when Mike Walker, he sees his his socks and his shoes. Yeah, he said it just went nuts.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:44

Bananas, yeah. It did, it did when we was too. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. When because I actually didn't initially I forgot that that's how the MJ production came on, and I actually thought that that was his, you know, it was the part of the movie that was coming on. And then when I was the P, you know, kind of got hype, but then it actually went right to a clip when he was, you know, showing what just walking in. And so yeah, it was dope, man. But even from the time it came on, just the credits running, bro. It just instantly, I ain't gonna tell, I ain't gonna lie, man, a couple times, bro. I got goosebumps, man. I got goosebumps. You know that Mike Mania hit me, bro. Yeah, you know, you know, and yeah, and it's that anticipation, you know. We've been waiting for this for a minute, and uh, but it didn't disappoint. I wasn't disappointed at all, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:37

No, no, no, no. It was just for me, just seeing um the absence of those main characters, yeah, for sure, for sure. Cause yeah, you told me that they did, they did um show the studio 54.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:52

Yeah, they they flipped to it real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:54

But uh, but the footage that I saw, I hope, man. What I hope, and and big ups to Antoine Antoine Fuqua, did a great job. Yeah, I hope when they do the release that they can add some of the stuff to the uh DVD or whatever. Oh, yeah, you know, uh yeah, okay special edition directors cut because that'd be real nice to see that that way because I saw some things like I saw the Cat Graham who played Diana Ross, so I saw some of her footage, I saw her take you know a couple of scenes with Michael Jackson and wow, and so they actually had some scenes cut with Diana being in it. Wow, because she she put out a statement Kat Graham did. She said, you know, unfortunately, yeah, it was a it was a it was something she always wanted to do. She it was an honor playing Donna Ross, but unfortunately, her scenes had to get cut out the film, and she said, you know, it was not she didn't take it personally, but she could she understand why they did it, but uh she said uh yeah, unfortunate. But she said Antoine Fouquet did the best he could to preserve as much as he could out of the things that he had to take out. Like I said, originally it was four hours, it was four hours long, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:11

Wow, wow, yeah. Yeah, I I just said movie for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:20

Because I have it's I I have I don't think I was ever I don't think I ever went to a movie theater where they had an intermission, have you?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:28

Um I do man, remember I was real young, man, and watching a movie down at the Fox, man, with my dad and everything. There will it was actually an intermission there.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:40

Okay, okay, because they they would have had to have an intermission.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:43

Yeah, which would be cool, man. Yeah, I mean, they used to do it all the time, yeah. But dude, but here's the thing, man. To me, again, a figure like this, that would have been definitely amazing, man, to see um it released in such a magnitude, knowing that Mike, man, the way he is, like let's say, let's let's just say he was still alive, Mike, this thing would have gone a whole different way. Mike would have definitely um, you know, wanted it to be more grander, you know, than it than it was. He probably would have loved for it to be four hours, you know what I mean? So he got he probably would have fought a lot more to get some some different things done. But man, I just think, man, all stuff aside, when you're gonna represent somebody like this, uh, you need to put all that stuff aside, man. All of the all of the publishing disputes and this and that, and you get as much con, you know, con consultants on the set as you can, you know, put tell people like it, hey man, we can only put so much of it in, um, and maybe we'll do another part or whatever. But do your best to represent it the way that you know that it can be, man, because he was not a regular talent, you know, he was exceptional. He was in a class by himself.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:10

I also think that you know, I was watching it, like I saw I saw, and I'm not, I'm not no, I'm not a filmmaker, even though I might edit TikTok games. You are man, you but uh fouqua, man. Um I saw I saw parts of that movie where he could have just had like things flashing, like yeah, or you know, like something like a uh newspaper article, yeah, or you can see it floating, Michael Jackson brought a little more depth to it, yeah. Absolutely, a montage, uh as you will. I mean, yeah, anything, but yeah, just uh just so you could say, Well, I I did include that, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:46

Even though it was a second or two, yeah, like you said, can't couldn't flesh it out, but I was a I I flashed it out, I didn't flesh it out, but yeah, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:55

And then doing the song, one of his songs, boom, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:58

Yeah, why it's doing it. Yeah, literally, I was just thinking of that exact song, and it could have just been flashing through. And yeah, agreed, man. Agreed. Yep, they should they should have talked to you first, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:14

Antoine Foucault, when you listen to this podcast, man, right, holler at your boy, disco higgs, baby.

New Show Launch And Farewell

SPEAKER_00 1:44:23

Stop the needle, man. Stop the needle. Well, yeah, man. You know, my new thing is saying is um uh always share your gift, man. Be yourself, always share your gift, and keep those classes current.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:39

That's it, baby. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:42

All right, people. Next time you hear my voice, it will be the Disco Hicks show.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:47

Disco Hicks Show, man. I can't wait for it, bro. I can't wait for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:52

And it looks like 1988. Um my partner Marsh, Marshon, Mar uh Sean P1988. Uh the golden age or the golden year of hip hop.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:07

Nice, nice. Can't wait for it, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:11

Hey man, uh tell the people where they can find you because you got some good stuff, those little uh podcasts that you do that's that's on your social media, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:20

Um man, let people, you know, oh man, I'm just yeah, just John McCarn, Facebook, you know, uh same with TikTok. It might be on the Kingdom OG on TikTok. Uh, but yeah, if you pull up John McGarn, man, it'll it'll pull all that in. You know, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, you know. I just I keep it, I just keep it me, man. So yeah, yeah. So yeah, man. But yeah, and of course, the Gospel Twins podcast down, man. Man, that new logo was dude, dude. We're gonna take it there. We yeah, we're taking it to the next level now, bro. We're getting ready to do it, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:06

All right, man. Appreciate your time, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:09

Man, it's always a pleasure, dude. I'm looking forward to that next. You know it, man, for the GTP. Yes, sir. Peace.