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Divorce Coaches Academy podcast hosts Tracy Callahan and Debra Doak are on a mission to revolutionize the way families navigate divorce. We discuss topics to help professional divorce coaches succeed with clients and meet their business goals and we advocate (loudly sometimes) for the critical role certified divorce coaches play in the alternative dispute resolution process. Our goal is to create a community of divorce coaching professionals committed to reducing the financial and emotional impact of divorce on families.
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The search for emotional justice can become an invisible prison for those navigating divorce. While completely understandable, this pursuit often keeps people tethered to pain long after legal proceedings conclude.
Debra and Tracy dive deep into why clients become fixated on making their ex-partners acknowledge wrongdoing, apologize sincerely, or face consequences. They explore the neurological reality behind this pattern—how the brain remains in a heightened state of stress, treating emotional injury as an ongoing threat that must be resolved. This explains why many divorced individuals spend months or even years mentally rehearsing arguments or crafting the perfect message that might finally make their ex understand.
The cost of this fixation is staggering. Beyond precious time wasted, children absorb the tension and learn unhealthy conflict resolution skills. Financial decisions suffer, careers stall, and social relationships deteriorate as friends grow weary of repetitive grievances. Most critically, this pursuit hands continued power to the very person who caused harm, creating a form of voluntary emotional imprisonment.
Through case studies and practical examples, the hosts share powerful coaching strategies to help clients reclaim their agency. These include redirecting energy toward future possibilities, conducting "energy audits" to reveal how much mental bandwidth is being wasted, separating practical accountability measures from emotional justice outcomes, and developing internal validation skills. They explain why completion ceremonies, justice letters, and redefining "winning" can be transformative.
Moving beyond the need for emotional justice doesn't mean pretending the hurt didn't happen. Rather, it means choosing freedom over vindication and self-determination over dependency. As Tracy and Debra powerfully articulate, the most profound justice often comes not from making an ex-partner acknowledge wrongdoing, but from creating a life so vibrant and fulfilling that their opinion no longer matters—showing your children what a true comeback looks like.
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Welcome back to the Divorce Coaches Academy podcast. I'm Debra.
Speaker 2And I'm Tracy, and today we're diving into one of the most challenging aspects of divorce coaching helping clients move beyond their need for emotional justice.
Speaker 1Oh boy, this is such a big one. I think every divorce coach has sat across from a client who's absolutely consumed by the need to prove they were right, to get their ex to acknowledge the hurt they caused or somehow balance the scales of what went wrong.
Speaker 2Yeah, those justice scales right. And it's completely understandable when somebody has been betrayed, lied to or treated unfairly, that desire for justice feels so legitimate. But as divorce coaches, we see how this pursuit can actually keep our clients trapped in pain and prevent them from moving forward. And let's be honest in divorce we know that the family court system was never built to deliver emotional justice. It's built to deliver legal outcomes. And that's an important distinction because while the legal system can divide assets, assign custody, issue orders, it does not and cannot address the deep emotional wounds of betrayal, grief, fear and injustice that families carry and often bring into courtrooms seeking this emotional justice. People walk into court expecting I'm air, quoting fairness, and often leave feeling invisible, silenced or re-traumatized. Why? Well, because the emotional realities of divorce that loneliness, rage, fear of starting over are not admissible in court. They just don't fit neatly into legal boxes.
Speaker 1No, they do not. So today we thought we'd take some time to explore why clients get stuck in this emotional justice mindset, what it costs them when they do and, most importantly, how we as coaches can guide them toward more productive ways of thinking that actually serve their healing and serve their future.
Speaker 2So, before we jump in, though, let's define what we mean by emotional justice. Deb, how do you explain this concept to clients?
Speaker 1Yeah. So I describe emotional justice as this deep need for acknowledgement, validation or consequences that would somehow make the emotional scales feel balanced again. So that voice in our client's head saying they they need to admit what they did wrong, or they should suffer like I have, or they should pay for it, or if only they would apologize and mean it, then I could move on, that's that little voice that's just running.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's perfect, and the tricky part is that sometimes our clients do deserve an apology. They were wronged, the betrayal was real, the lies did happen, so their desire for justice isn't irrational, it is actually quite human?
Speaker 1Very much so, and that's why I think this is such a nuanced topic. Right, we're not telling clients their feelings are invalid or that what happened to them wasn't wrong. We're really trying to help them recognize when the pursuit of this emotional justice is actually working against their own well-being and their goals Against their well-being and goals.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah. So let's start with the why. You know we love the why. Why do clients get so stuck in this need for emotional justice? So we both observed this a lot. What have you observed in your practice, Deb?
Speaker 1Yeah. So I think I've seen several patterns over the years and they're pretty consistent even across different types of clients. So first there's what I want seen several patterns over the years and they're pretty consistent even across different types of clients. So first there's what I want to refer to as the completion trap. These clients feel like their story isn't finished until there's some kind of resolution or acknowledgement from their ex. It's like they're holding their breath, waiting for the other person to complete their narrative or their story.
Speaker 1I've actually had a client who literally said to me I can't close this chapter until he admits what he did. She was spending hours crafting the perfect text message that would finally make him see the light. Yeah, over and over. But here's the thing she was giving him the pen to write her ending, which meant she might be waiting forever. Another pattern I see is when someone's identity has been completely wrapped up in being the wronged party. If they've spent months or years defining themselves as the victim of their ex's bad behavior, letting go of that need for justice can feel like losing part of who they are.
Speaker 2Very much so.
Speaker 1They've told their story so many times to friends, family, therapists, lawyers, that this narrative of being wronged actually becomes part of them, the thought of moving beyond. It feels like betraying themselves or minimizing what happened.
Speaker 2It is such an important insight and it ties into what I see all the time in my practice right, this idea that giving away power, the client's ability to move forward, becomes entirely dependent on someone else's action or willingness to engage. But there's another layer I often notice. Right Clients often confuse this emotional justice with safety and protection. They believe that if their ex doesn't face consequences or acknowledge wrongdoing, it somehow means the behavior was acceptable or, worse, that it validates their ex's actions and makes them likely to happen again. Right, I worked with a woman whose husband had multiple affairs and she was absolutely convinced that if he didn't truly understand and apologize for the damage he caused, he would just keep hurting women. She felt like it was her responsibility to make him see, not just for her own healing right, but to protect his future partners. Yes, this magical thinking that getting someone to admit fault will somehow, somehow protect us from future hurt is so common. There's also this social comparison element we can't ignore.
Speaker 2Right Clients scroll, scroll through social media and see other people's divorce stories, where the bad guy gets publicly exposed, faces real consequences, or even where there are these dramatic reconciliation moments, they start thinking that's what healing and closure should look like for everyone.
Speaker 1Exactly. And this comparison trap is so real. Somehow they think everyone else got justice except them and that somehow they're failing at divorce if they don't get that same vindication. But here's what I try to help clients understand. Those social media stories are highlight reels, reels. They are not the full picture, right. We don't see the years of pain that person might still be carrying or how that public vindication might actually have complicated their healing process. So I want to introduce this topic, the neurological aspect. Let's talk about that. I know you've done some deep work studying the brain science behind this.
The Brain Science Behind Justice-Seeking
Speaker 2Yeah, I love neuroscience right, so it is fascinating and really helps explain why this gets so sticky. When we are in a state of seeking justice, our nervous system is essentially stuck in right that fight or flight mode. The amygdala we love, our amygdala is hyperactivated, stress hormones like cortisol are elevated and we literally cannot access the prefrontal cortex, which is the part of our brain which is responsible for executive function, problem solving and moving forward strategically. It's like being stuck in this neurological loop where the brain keeps saying threat, threat, threat, even when the actual relationship is over. I explain to clients that their brain is so intuitive and it's trying to protect them, but it's using an outdated threat detection system.
Speaker 1It hasn't upgraded its operating system for thousands of years. Right, we're still an analog okay.
Speaker 2The emotional brain doesn't understand that the marriage is over. It's still trying to resolve the conflict as if the relationship could be saved. This is why clients can become obsessed with getting their ex to understand their perspective or for some authority like the court to say they were wrong and they should be punished for such. Their brain literally thinks that if they can just explain it right or get the right acknowledgement, the threat will be resolved and they can finally feel safe again.
Speaker 1Right. So that neurological background and explanation is so helpful because what it does is it normalizes the hypervigilance that our clients are experiencing when they don't feel safe from this threat and that loop that you imagined or that you talked about danger, danger, threat, threat it's absolutely exhausting. Yeah, I've had clients tell me stories about waking up every morning already angry, already rehearsing arguments with their ex in their head, like before their feet even hit the floor.
Speaker 2Yeah, those are those emails I receive when I get up. That were written.
Speaker 1Yes at 3am. Yes, I had a couple.
Speaker 2I had a couple this morning.
Speaker 1They're living in this constant state of activation or hyper vigilance right which impacts everything their sleep, their ability to parent effectively, their work performance, their other relationships and their capacity to even imagine a different future. It's like they're wearing gray colored glasses. They can't imagine a different future. One client described it as carrying a heavy backpack of rocks everywhere I go. The weight of seeking justice was literally weighing down every aspect of her life.
Speaker 2Yeah, and here's what's really crucial for divorce coaches to understand. This pursuit of emotional justice often re-traumatizes our clients. Every time they replay the wrongs, every time they try to get their ex to understand, every time they rehash the story with a new person, they're essentially reliving the original hurt. The brain doesn't distinguish between remembering trauma and experiencing trauma. It activates the same stress response. So while clients think they're working towards resolution, they're actually keeping themselves stuck in the trauma cycle. And I've seen clients who've been divorced for years but are still as activated and hurt as if the betrayal happened yesterday, simply because they haven't been able to let go of the need for their ex to make it right.
Speaker 1Which brings us to perhaps the most important point. This pursuit of justice rarely works the way the clients hope it will. How many times, Tracy, have you seen a client actually get the acknowledgement they're seeking in a way that truly satisfies them and allows them to move forward?
Speaker 2Yeah, honestly, almost never Right. And when it does happen right, it's often too late. The apology feels almost hollow because it took so much pushing to get it. The apology feels almost hollow because it took so much pushing to get it. Or the client realizes that hearing those words doesn't actually change what happened or heal that wound. I had a client whose ex-husband finally admitted to the affairs and apologized sincerely. Her words but she felt empty afterwards. Right, she told me I thought I'd feel vindicated, but instead I just felt sad. Sad because I wasted two years of my life waiting for those words. The other thing that happens is that even when clients get some form of acknowledgement, they often realize it wasn't really about the other person at all. The healing they needed had come from within themselves and they could have started that process years earlier instead of waiting for that external validation.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, yes. Okay. So we've talked about why clients get stuck in this mindset, right? I love to go on and talk about what it actually costs them when they camp out here, because the price of holding on to this need for emotional justice is significant, and I think, as divorce coaches, we need to help our clients really understand what they are trading away when they stay in this place.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, we often talk about the cost of conflict. Right here we're talking about the cost of conflict. Right here we're talking about the cost of emotional justice, which keeps them in the conflict cycle, trauma cycle. So the costs are multifaceted and they absolutely do compound over time. So let's start with the obvious one right Time. I've worked with clients who spent literally years of their life consumed by this pursuit of justice Years they could have been rebuilding, creating new relationships, focusing on their children, advancing their careers or simply learning to enjoy life again. Instead, they're stuck in this loop of anger and resentment that keeps them tethered to their past. I think about one particular client who spent three years trying to get her ex to acknowledge how his addiction affected their family. Three years of her children's lives where mom was constantly stressed, constantly angry, constantly focused on dad's failures instead of being present for their healing and their future. When she finally let go, she grieved not just the marriage, but those three years she felt she lost right to that anger and bitterness.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's a really powerful example and it highlights another major cost and that's the impact on children.
Speaker 2Yeah, kids.
Speaker 1Kids are incredibly perceptive and when one parent is consumed by the need for justice to get justice from the other parent, children feel that energy. They absorb that stress and tension. I've seen kids start to feel responsible for fixing their parents' emotional state or they develop anxiety because they're living in a home where one parent is constantly activated and upset. There's also this aspect of modeling right. We are showing our children that when someone hurts us, the appropriate response is to spend years focused on making them pay or acknowledge their wrongdoing. That's not the resilience and emotional regulation skills that we really want to be teaching them. And then, beyond this impact to the family and to children, there's a huge career and financial cost. Clients stuck in this mindset often can't focus at work, they're making poor financial decisions because they're not thinking clearly, or they're spending enormous amounts of money on legal fees, trying to air quote win in court in ways that aren't really about practical outcomes but about proving they were right.
Speaker 2Yeah, money, the financial piece is huge, right, and it's often invisible to clients until we really really bring some awareness to it and break it down. But there's also a profound emotional and psychological cost that I think is even more significant. When someone is stuck in the pursuit of emotional justice, they are essentially handing over their power to heal to someone else. They are essentially handling handing over their power to heal to someone else. They're saying I cannot be okay until you make this right. Right, that's giving that person who hurt them continued power over their emotional wellbeing and their future. It's like voluntary emotional imprisonment.
Speaker 2Yeah, I explained to clients that sort of every day they spend waiting for their ex to change, apologize or face those consequences is a day they're not spending building their own strength, resilience and new life. This is what we call opportunity cost of bitterness. When we're consumed by anger and the need for justice, we literally cannot feel gratitude, joy, hope or possibility, openness to new possibility. Our emotional bandwidth is completely occupied by negative emotions, which means we miss out on positive experiences and connections that may be available to us right now.
Speaker 1Right now, so that this concept of opportunity cost is so important. So a question that I've been known to pose to clients is what would you be able to focus on if you weren't spending this mental energy on your ex? And those answers are always illuminating. They want to be better parents. They have career goals they've been neglecting. They want to travel. They want to date again. They have creative projects they've been putting off right. This pursuit of justice is literally stealing the capacity for them to build the life they actually want. Yeah, there's also a social cost that people don't always recognize. Friends and family members get exhausted, exhausted, burned out by the constant rehashing of grievances. I've had clients tell me they've noticed people changing the subject when they start talking about their ex, or that invitations have dried up because they've become known as this person who can't stop talking about their divorce drama. They're isolating themselves without realizing it.
Speaker 2Yeah, and that social isolation also compounds the problem. Right, because they're losing now access to support and alternative perspectives, people literally will start avoiding them, which reinforces their narrative that they're the victim and no one understands their situation. It literally becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's also sort of a spiritual or existential cost that I think is worth mentioning. When someone is consumed by this need for justice, they're living in a state that's fundamentally at odds with growth, peace and moving forward. Many spiritual traditions and psychological approaches emphasize acceptance, forgiveness not for the other person's benefit, no, no, no, but for our own freedom, but for our own freedom. Clients who are stuck in this mindset often describe feeling literally spiritually depleted, like they've lost touch with their values or who they want to be in the world.
Speaker 1Yeah, so that's beautifully put. I think there's also one more cost that's particularly relevant for our coaching work, and that is the cost to their future relationships. Clients who can't let go of the need for justice from their ex often carry that energy into their new relationships. They're hypervigilant, they're quick to feel wronged. They have trouble trusting. They sometimes try to get new partners to validate their narrative about their ex. They sometimes try to get new partners to validate their narrative about their ex.
Speaker 2It's like they're carrying the ghost of their marriage into every new connection they try to make Yep, yep, yep.
Coaching Strategies for Moving Forward
Speaker 1And so this is where the real coaching work happens, and I want to start by saying that this is not about rushing clients or invalidating their feelings. The first strategy we always use is something we call honoring the truth while redirecting the energy. I can acknowledge completely that what happened to them was wrong, that their feelings were valid and that their ex's behavior was unacceptable, but then I want to move on to helping them see that waiting for their ex to make it right is actually like giving that same person who hurt them continued power over their healing. I may see something like. You deserved so much better than how you were treated, and because you deserved better then, you deserve better now, which means you deserve not to have your healing dependent on someone who has already shown they can't be trusted with your well-being.
Speaker 1Nope Right, they didn't do it then, they're not going to do it now. I also use a lot of future-focused questioning. So instead of asking how can we get your ex to understand, we're going to totally shift to what kind of life would you like to be living two years from now? What do you want your children to remember about how you handled this difficult time? This line of questioning helps shift their focus from past grievances to future possibilities.
Speaker 2Yeah, future focused.
Speaker 1Yep. Another powerful technique is the energy audit. I'll ask clients to track for a week how much time and mental energy they spend thinking about their ex and what it is they want from them Honestly. When they see it written down, often hours per day, it becomes abundantly clear how much of their life force is being drained by this pursuit of justice. And then we also like to work with clients on reclaiming their narrative. Instead of their story being I'm the person this happened to, we work on shifting it to I'm the person who survived this and is building something better. Please hear us, this is not about minimizing what happened, but about putting them back in the driver's seat of their own story.
Speaker 2What I'm in control of. Yeah.
Speaker 1Right. So an exercise that can be powerful is having them write two versions of their story, one from the victim perspective and one from the survivor perspective. Then you can sit down with your client and explore how those feel different and what possibilities open up in each version of that story.
Speaker 2Yeah, I love that. I love those mind shift opportunities right. They really address the sort of identity piece we talked about earlier. My coaching often starts with some education right about the nervous system, as we talked about. Helping clients understand what is actually happening in their brain and body, right, so they can start to have some compassion for themselves and also realize they have more control than they think. Right, one of my favorite also intentions is what I call the justice redirect. This is when a client is sort of stuck in the need to acknowledge what they did. I help them explore what they're really seeking underneath. That I call this sort of their underlying interest. Usually it's validation, safety or a sense that their pain matters. Then we work on how we can give themselves those things without needing their ex's participation Right. Yeah, I also use a technique I call future self-visualization. Here I have clients imagine themselves five years from now.
Speaker 2This is also sort of that future focused living their best life, then I ask them to look back at this moment and ask their future self what advice they would give. And almost universally, the future self says some version of stop giving away so much power. Right, stop giving him power over your happiness. You're wasting precious time waiting for someone that doesn't matter or care about your healing. This helps create that emotional distance from the current intensity and taps into their own wisdom. Right and one more quick strategy I often use is right looking at this distinguishment between accountability and justice. Accountability might look like setting boundaries, protecting themselves and their children, or making practical decisions about divorce proceedings. Justice is about punishment or getting the other person to admit wrongdoing. Right, when I can help clients focus their energy on accountability measures, again, they have some power. They can control that, rather than justice outcomes which they cannot control.
Speaker 1Yes, yes and amen. That distinction between accountability and justice is so crucial. That distinction between accountability and justice is so crucial. I use something similar where I help clients separate what I need for my practical safety and well-being and what it is that I'm wanting. That, I think, will make me feel better emotionally. So the first category includes things like custody arrangements, financial protections and clear boundaries. The second category is where all that emotional justice seeking lives, and that's where we can work on finding alternative sources of healing. So one thing that can be an option for you in terms of tools to work with your clients is something I call a completion ceremony. They are not going to get completion from their ex, but we can create ways for them to feel complete within themselves. This might be writing a letter they never sent, doing a ritual to symbolically release the relationship, or having a conversation with a chair representing their ex where they say everything they need to say. The key is that these exercises are for them. They are not about getting a response, but they are some sort of ritual or ceremony to release.
Speaker 1One thing I found effective is helping clients channel their need for justice into something constructive. I had a client whose husband had hidden assets during the divorce. Instead of spending years trying to expose him, she used her expertise to become an advocate for financial transparency and divorce proceedings. She turned her pain into purpose. We see that, with people coming into divorce coaching all the time, that turning that pain into purpose is so much more empowering than holding your breath and waiting for him to face consequences that might never happen. We can also use reframing around the concept of success in divorce. Often clients will feel like they've failed if they don't get justice, but we can redefine success as something like creating a peaceful life, being a present parent, finding happiness again or building financial security. When we're able to help clients shift their definition of winning, the need for their ex's acknowledgement often diminishes.
Speaker 2Yeah, and you know I love the power of a reframe, I do and I do something similar where we kind of explore this what winning air quoting actually looks like, right? Is winning getting your ex to admit that we're wrong? Or is winning being genuinely happy and free? Is winning having them face consequences? Or is winning building such a great life that you rarely think about them anymore? Right, that glow up, I love talking about the glow up. Think about them anymore? Right, that glow up, I love talking about the glow up.
Creating Internal Validation and Closure
Speaker 2I also work with clients on developing what I call sort of this internal validation skills checklist. Right? Many people who get stuck seeking justice never really learned how to validate their own experiences. We practice statements like what happened to me was wrong and I don't need anyone else to confirm that for me to know it is true, or I trust my own perception of what happened, and that is enough. This internal validation becomes a foundation for moving forward without external confirmation, right? So another technique that is particularly powerful is helping clients write what I call a justice letter, but with a little twist, right? They write everything they want their ex to acknowledge and apologize for, but then they write their own response as the voice of their highest self, their best self, offering themselves the validation and compassion they're seeking themselves the validation and compassion they're seeking. It's incredibly healing to realize they themselves can give what they've been waiting for from their ex to provide right.
Speaker 2And I also address the fear that letting go of the need for justice somehow means what happened was okay, right. I help clients understand that forgiveness and letting go are not about absolving the other person or saying their behavior was okay or acceptable. It's about freeing themselves from the burden of carrying that person's actions around with them like that backpack. I often say holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Letting go is an act of self-care. Self-care, not an absolution for the other person, Just not.
Speaker 1It's not, but that fear about letting go, meaning the behavior was acceptable, is huge and I'm glad you addressed that. I also work with clients on building what I call post-divorce resilience, so this involves developing skills and mindsets that not only help them heal from this relationship but also protect them in future relationships. Right Things like trusting their own intuition. Right Trust yourself, setting healthy boundaries, communicating their needs clearly and choosing partners who they have vetted and know align with their values. When they feel confident in these skills, the need for their ex to validate their experience often naturally diminishes, because they trust themselves to handle whatever comes next. That's a big question we get from clients how will I ever trust again?
Speaker 1And my answer is you don't need to trust other people.
Speaker 2You need to trust yourself. If you trust yourself, you're good. So, as we wrap up today's episode, I really want to emphasize that helping clients move beyond the need for emotional justice isn't is not about pushing them to get over it quickly. It is about helping them reclaim their power and redirect their energy towards building the life they actually want to live.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly. And remember, as coaches, we are not trying to minimize their pain or rush their process. We're helping them see that their healing doesn't have to wait for someone else's participation. They have everything they need within themselves to move forward and create something beautiful from this difficult experience.
Speaker 2Yeah, and those clients who make this shift, who let go of needing their ex's acknowledgement and actually focus on their own growth and healing, they are the ones who thrive post-divorce. They are. They're the ones who become examples of resilience for their children and actually serve as an inspiration for other people going through similar experiences. Serve as an inspiration for other people going through similar experiences.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that's the real justice, isn't it? Yes, it is Living well being happy showing your children what a comeback looks like. That's the best response to someone who tried to diminish your life?
Final Thoughts on Reclaiming Power
Speaker 2Yeah, All right. So before we wrap this very engaging discussion, Deb, we want to remind our fellow divorce coaches that this work requires patience and skill. If you are struggling with clients who are stuck in this pattern, consider getting additional training in the work that we do as dispute resolution divorce coaches, or working with a mentor in case consultation groups, such as the one DCA offers that can help you navigate these complex emotional territories. Right, we are not doing therapy, but we're supporting clients and looking at how this impacts them and making decisions for empowerment.
Speaker 1And, finally, remember to take care of yourselves too. This is heavy work, this work can be emotionally demanding, and we need to make sure that we're not getting pulled into our client's need for justice or taking their frustration on as our own.
Speaker 2Yeah, so we want to thank you all for listening and joining us on today's episode in our Divorce Coaches Academy podcast. If you found this helpful, please share it with other divorce coaches who might benefit from these strategies. Share it along, pass it along. We'll see you next time, all right, thanks so much.