Jaya and ashe discuss the sacred material that makes us; all the joy, all the trauma, all the experiences and how those come into play to encourage us to let go of punishment as what motivates us. To be open to love, as the way to move.
We reflect on how moving with love can be easy, because it is in harmony with what we are. What if we put as much energy or more into something out of love, as we do out of fear? Or ran as fast towards something you love, as from something you fear?
Permission for that.
We're talkin' about Love and we hope you enjoy.
This is the sixth of six parts in a series called First Fire. Each episode in this series is a small part of one longer conversation.
Music from this episode is called Zen Den by Auxjack.
Love /ləv/ Noun 1. an intense feeling of deep affection. "lovers fill lovers with feelings of love" 2. a great interest and pleasure in something. "their love for meditation"
Love Old English lufu, of Germanic origin; from an Indo-European root shared by Sanskrit lubhyati ‘desires’, Latin libet ‘it is pleasing’, libido ‘desire’, also by leave2 and lief.
Leave Old English lǣfan ‘bequeath’, also ‘allow to remain, leave in place’ of Germanic origin; related to German bleiben ‘remain’.
Jaya and ashe discuss the sacred material that makes us; all the joy, all the trauma, all the experiences and how those come into play to encourage us to let go of punishment as what motivates us. To be open to love, as the way to move.
We reflect on how moving with love can be easy, because it is in harmony with what we are. What if we put as much energy or more into something out of love, as we do out of fear? Or ran as fast towards something you love, as from something you fear?
Permission for that.
We're talkin' about Love and we hope you enjoy.
This is the sixth of six parts in a series called First Fire. Each episode in this series is a small part of one longer conversation.
Music from this episode is called Zen Den by Auxjack.
Love /ləv/ Noun 1. an intense feeling of deep affection. "lovers fill lovers with feelings of love" 2. a great interest and pleasure in something. "their love for meditation"
Love Old English lufu, of Germanic origin; from an Indo-European root shared by Sanskrit lubhyati ‘desires’, Latin libet ‘it is pleasing’, libido ‘desire’, also by leave2 and lief.
Leave Old English lǣfan ‘bequeath’, also ‘allow to remain, leave in place’ of Germanic origin; related to German bleiben ‘remain’.
And so I think we talked about one time about kind of the effortlessness, but intuition. So there's a kind of the, um, the firmness and definitiveness of I'm with my intuition. And I need to be in a certain like a drum needs to have the certain tautness to be a drum, like something like a tautness, but it's not tense, you know, that can that's available open, accessible to the intuition. And then, yeah, that's good. That's good enough. Um, so if maybe have good enough helps as a guiding principle, um, because there's a million ways that it could be good and following that inner guidance and enoughness good enough now. And good enoughness I think it's like, there's a goodness as a yumminess to it. Like, so what would be yummy? It could be another guiding line would be yummy. I, um, it's, it's funny because I'm thinking like, uh, how much doing I practice in this space of like listening. You talk about listening. Um, Thinking what you changed thinking to listening. So in the time that I'm, that I, that would be lovely to be listening. I think I offer a lot of doing, especially in some of this making, you know? And so what's the most ironic piece of all of it is that I make audio, which is for listening. So yeah, I mean, it's not ironic at all, but I mean, maybe. And not fall. So... it feels definitely like Y you know, part of the nod from the universe around doing it in the first place, you know? Yeah. Um, and so anyway, all of that, it's it. I think the container and the trust and the effortlessness and the relationship is such a wonderful for me, it's feeling like such a wonderful way to do this whole thing, but this whole thing via this whole thing, if that makes any sense, it feels really like totally the, um, yeah, you said thank you for offering to do that. It feels like part of what the thank you to you is back, you know, because like, it feels great. It's really lovely and helpful to me in the work, you know? Yeah. And that's that, that's the cool thing. I mean, that's like how generosity and mutuality and it's good and it's good. And it's good. And it's good. Even in the challenging parts that like hearing how you're willing, but in a sense also of like, Willing and including the wishing of willing, willing to, um, to kind of take on that challenge of there's tons of material and you love some of that material and you love people that that could be a good fit for them. And to be, to be the challenge of not being overwhelmed by that, and then trusting. Anything that you do will be a bonus. We'll be good. We'll be a generosity. And I know that the means are the same are, are part of the way that you're going about it is part is the same vibe or the same mode as what you're wanting to people to receive from what I'm saying, you know, like we're, you know, does that make sense? The soil that the thing is growing in? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so just don't be so hard on yourself though. So what does that mean? Like, um, okay. It goes with the question I was going to ask, like you said, the challenge is to not be overwhelmed by the material, which first of all, I named the playlist that I curated after our first conversation sacred material, because it's a thing that. Um, my girlfriend says a lot when she's talking about some of the trauma and, and stuff that made us us, you know, that you wouldn't necessarily call beauty or sacred or whatever, but you know, in this way of thinking, it's the thing that is you. It's why it's the how of so much. And, um, in that way it's sacred material. And so it's kind of got this funny, like, um, Residue or not even necessarily, but it's like, you know, it's got this connotation, I think this trauma and all that, but I call it the texture. She calls it the sacred material. Cause the C So the hard on myself feels like a big part of the sacred material. Like it feels like a big piece of what I'm wading through or, um, I definitely have thought about the ways that I've learned to be hard on other people as sort of like this. Very slow movement of being very hard on myself coming sort of out and away. I don't know, hard on other people. Like, um, I came up with this phrase, "you have to be this tall to ride this ride". You know what I mean? Because I'm not, I don't seem to be for everyone. You know, there's a piece of it. Like I don't want to be so hard on myself taking in so much judgment from other people, I think it's finding the people surrounding myself with people who we have these kinds of conversations with, you know, where this kind of connection is like the preferred way we talk. About negativity and how motivating or like, um, the momentum of love. You know what I mean is like, it's just like, it's a harder start or something, but it's like, it's worth it. You know? So anyway, um, it's not always a harder start though. I believe that. The four agreements would say it's an agreement that it's a harder start. And just like, it's that kind of coming back around to permission, like permission that it, it can be hard, but it could be also easy. It could be like even faster sometimes that like "you too? Yeah. whoo!" But also where harder, more thorough, more complete, like more sturdy, harder, more difficult to create at first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. The demandingness of love. That's something we come up in a lot with deep rest meditation is people think, oh, I get to just turn off kind of, and it's like, no, it's basically you're turning on your coming back alive. And to let go of punishment as a motivating force to let go of fear as a motivating force is already hard, but then to accept love as your movement. You know, it brings you to places you would not have gone me doing public speaking, for example, oh, I laugh for so many reasons, but yeah, but yeah. The demandingness the rigor of juiciness of the discipline of juiciness that like Audre Lorde talks about that. So well, and bell hooks talks about that. So like as, as a way of living, it's, um, it's easy in a way because it's in harmony with what we, what we are, and what's real. Right. But in another way, it's. Well, the possibility that we could put as much energy or more into something out of love as we do out of fear, if that way, if we could run as fast as we do, when we're afraid, just for fun, like permission for that. Totally. That sounds great. Sounds really great. Yeah. Um, I feel like we're yeah, we, you said, okay, that's enough. Let's stop. I said, I can go another 15 minutes. We've gone 10 or 12.