3WiseSlaps
3wiseslaps is Ini, Paul, Manny and Tobi. They explore life and societal issues from their perspective. They love to laugh, be silly, and get deep. The podcast will feature conversations about pop culture, fashion, health, & more.
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The One About Racism and Homosexuality
In this episode, we have a candid conversation about acceptance, identity, and difficult social issues, such as race, cancel culture, homosexuality, etc., while exploring what it means to navigate life authentically in today's complex world.
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Speaker 3:No, no, you love Gwena Boy.
Speaker 1:I love my mom hitting on Gwena Boy Rich Angu Constitution, oh Constitution Are you into Constitution?
Speaker 4:Are you into?
Speaker 3:Constitution, I mean in the industry.
Speaker 4:everything is Constitutional, it's all exchange of goods and services. I love youth. I love talking to my friends youth. I love talking to my friends that navigating life, the way I'm navigating life, I don't like talking to my parents, because my dad does come to those movies, like that boohoo, like I hope you remember this when you have a child.
Speaker 1:That's the scary part that's when I have a when I have a child.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna make sure that they understand a lot of things as a green up, but I know that when you're like 27 bro just, vib just vibing there.
Speaker 2:It's easy to talk like this, though, but when the child comes.
Speaker 4:I mean as like you're like a girl dad and you're a boy dad. You know what if your kids just came in and was? Like dad not even a dad. Just come back home, hey, hey, Ken, just see, you know I'll be happy, though, for person.
Speaker 3:No, no, it's a real, it's a real situation it has definitely crossed my mind.
Speaker 4:It's a situation where, like no, with their, with their, with their same sex bro. No, it's no.
Speaker 2:No because it's like a situation where, like I want I definitely want to have grandkids, right. So it's like yeah, I understand that let me yes, there's adoption. Wow, we just, we just, we discovered that today?
Speaker 3:oh, what's the other one?
Speaker 2:um, there's also that feeling of like this is your bloodline, like it's being moved on from generation to generation to generation, and again right now when the west is kind of calm. For for homosexuality it's fine, but other places in the world it's not really that like super accepted. In nigeria, our home country, is still illegal. Right, you could still go to jail. Like insane so I know sometimes it might make their life slightly difficult, like life is already difficult on his own. They're not adding that additional stuff on top again.
Speaker 1:It can make it slightly difficult. It's tough, it's tough I won't lie, but I see where you're coming from, and so you're saying that's the, that's the path you're going to take with your child, that it sounds a little bit legalistic in the sense that you're going to tell them I don't think this is the right way for you, because life I just don't understand what you're saying life might be tougher for you as.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry for interrupting, but I've realized that Inni is like a tree. Inni is like a plant. You know, I've known him for years now and I've actually seen a part of the branch growing and it's actually insane.
Speaker 3:What branch is that? A new leaf developed. What leaf is this? Actually seen a part of the branch growing and he's actually seen. Like I'm actually saying, I'll say new branch, I'll see if you live develop what is this?
Speaker 4:amy, because I just thought, just like this nigga just told me that which you have in chat. I'm like ross, that's actually true, which I have in chat and I have his opinion, but now you're also saying that like you know what, what, what policy is kind of like legal or no, I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm saying like this is the from his explanation I'm trying to understand what he's saying like. No, let me. Let me understand like it seems like you're going to take a legalistic view of things and advise your child that like your life might be harder because you're going down this path, which is why I'm trying to confirm that. Is that what?
Speaker 2:I'm not advising like is the fact that life, depending on where you are, life is going to be harder for you.
Speaker 1:That's a fact that's not undisputed, yeah I. I don't have a choice so you're saying you're not going to do anything.
Speaker 2:I can't do anything if you come and tell me this is what you. I can't stop forcing you to go. No, you must like a woman.
Speaker 4:I can't, I agree because for me personally, I think I don't think I'll ever make my child my life mission in terms of I'll make it my life mission when you're like growing up like your foundational years not even when you're 18, 18 is young, but when you're 25, once you figure this, you must say 25, yeah, 25, because your frontal lobe.
Speaker 1:Your frontal lobe develops by 25. We need more parents, because a lot of parents give up on their kids yeah.
Speaker 3:I want my child to have an arc like.
Speaker 4:I'll have your foundational years. I'll have your teenage years, which are rocky, then your university, when you're 25. I want to still engage you heavily when you're 25. Like that, I'm pissing out of your life, totally you man run your thing because at this point now you're good, like your point now you're good like, yeah, you're next 25 years, you are 50 to do your thing, I'm not going to like, I'm not going to like.
Speaker 4:But if you say that, if sexually, if you're coming and saying, oh I'm gay, hey, that I'm gay, I'm like you know what, I respect it. Gay people because you're gay doesn't mean that life is easy like bro, like you're only telling me, I want to be. Life on difficulty like.
Speaker 1:But what if?
Speaker 2:god's mood life and that's fine easier. Yeah, that's what I said and, again, that's why. No, bro, life is hard five years now it's gonna be harder. Yeah, that's like west, because in the west it's accepted. It's fine, there's no issue but that's the west, that's our bubble, that's where we are right now, but knowing every, every, I don't.
Speaker 4:I don't think life is continent, or I don't I don't, I don't think life is as straightforward as we, as we think it's not straightforward. I don't think it's as straightforward as like oh, life is easy for gays. Yeah, maybe they accept you, but you, man, are in your like, in your cocoon of homosexuality but you are cheating on each other. You are cheating you are not faithful, you, man, are fucking bare man yeah, yeah there's another.
Speaker 2:You guys have to navigate the same ship. You have to navigate. It's not easy. The difficulty is still gonna be there, regardless of where you're.
Speaker 1:I feel like the tougher angle, though that always seems to get left out of this conversation, is the religious aspect, right even on both sides. Christian Muslims, right like a lot of religious people, believe in eternal damnation for gay people. So if you're one of those, how do you navigate that? If your child then comes to you, it's so dicey.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's so dicey, if you already believe that, like gay people, are damned to hell. Your fruits now comes and tells you.
Speaker 3:Can I say that. Can I say your fruits now comes and tells you can.
Speaker 2:I can answer that before I finish. I just want to add, just in one line it's simply the difficulty level, because then it's not, it's not everyone that will accept your, your way of life, so it's still another level of difficulty that you still have to go through. So it's still that difficultness still wraps everything all together.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah and no, that's what I want to like actually say to, as well as like personally I'm not gay, bro, but am I eternally damned with the I'm living, possibly?
Speaker 1:there are other things that can make you bro like bro, as far as god is concerned, all of you are all committee files yeah, we're all sinners.
Speaker 4:Yeah, look at so like yeah I don't really believe and I feel like I mean changing, like believing in god or believing in Jesus, or believing in believing in Jesus more time, right, like if you do that like your, then you have a chance, because that thing, renews. It's meant to renew every part of you. But, you know personally for me, bro, I don't even want to go too deep into this conversation but my transgressions, because I need the motivation to like you niggas and again I also see the same world.
Speaker 2:Like okay, I put myself. Like would I want my dad to be that type of way to me? Like would I accepted my parents.
Speaker 1:My mom is, I would I be going yes, mom, okay, I'm gonna change my style.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be obviously be rebelling and I want I'd be hoping and praying.
Speaker 1:I have a parent that would accept me for who I am, so I can now have my own child and I'll go do the opposite of what I would like, and it's even tough because even like thinking about your child is even far. But as an adult, like having to navigate, like having gay friends, that I really care about has been interesting Because it's like I'm, not like I have to. Firstly, I cannot act any differently towards them.
Speaker 3:Because you don't want to make it look like they're different.
Speaker 1:I cannot be weird about it yeah. Right. This person has chosen me as their friend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they feel comfortable in my space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and person has chosen me as their friend. They feel comfortable in my space. Yeah, and like, I just have to like and you know a lot of I. I think I have, almost like I think I have up to five gay friends that's dope bro I think I think I have up to five gay friends. I said it was a gay anime.
Speaker 1:I don't have gay friends, though, but because I mean I don't, I can't count how many friends I have to be fair, I mean I said question and I was just like, damn man, this guy is so fucking cool, I can count how many friends I have. To be fair, I mean I said everything gay.
Speaker 4:And I was just like damn man, this guy is so fucking cool and he's gay and I'm like I feel like people forget that they are men. Yeah, they are gay.
Speaker 2:It's just one aspect of life. It's just one aspect of sexuality. That doesn't change anything about who you are.
Speaker 4:It's like an RPG game, that's like one out of five different personalities. Not to get about your sexuality alone.
Speaker 1:It's dangerous bro, In the same climate. We really shouldn't even be talking about our sexual lives.
Speaker 4:Exactly In the world today, everybody leads with their sexuality. A dick is still a dick.
Speaker 2:Not like an asshole, that's okay.
Speaker 4:You say a gay is an asshole.
Speaker 3:No, no, no my point with the whole like religion thing right, because your first one was like if you're like ultra conservative, like you're going to hell. My point is it's not you, that gets to decide.
Speaker 1:That's someone who's going to hell.
Speaker 3:It's God decide who goes to hell and heaven. So why are we here?
Speaker 1:stressing no that's why I?
Speaker 3:look it's like, why are you trying to play god type stuff, like if god, like if god's upset, exactly? It's not happy he do something about it, right, like yeah and we all do his job like assistant jesus yeah, we all have an individual relationship too.
Speaker 2:Now, right, because the bible says do not judge.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, we all have an individual relationship with god, and god is for us to navigate that relationship with God and that's kind of like look, that's one of the issues I have with my parents sometimes, like I'm still like, I'm just like yo mom, like personally, I get what you're trying to do, but a lot of times you're pushing me away from God more than to God because it doesn't. I just feel like you're just talking about sometimes, like, bro, I'm living life, bro you don't think I need God happy with me.
Speaker 1:I don't need. It's like God is up for me.
Speaker 4:Like bro, I'm a relationship with God like. I remember, like maybe six months ago, I used to pray, like I used to pray a lot. What's that? Okay?
Speaker 2:angry good, I can't agree.
Speaker 4:I must say you know, man bro, you're not, you're not doing nothing, but you're just on your thing, like I don't, even if you're here. Yeah not here, but I'm like, bro, like either or no. I have to keep moving, bro, if I'm gonna. I'm not trying to call God bro, but I'm just saying that like I pray, but sometimes I'm just like so far off and it's like dude.
Speaker 3:I say it's the devil bro.
Speaker 1:Paul yeah.
Speaker 4:Paul, this Paul guy I'm like Paul, you should try. You should try praying the chance sometimes I think about people like Paul Jay-Z. Those guys are just doing life without God. I seem to be succeeding you know they seem to be having a few days in the streets, like no.
Speaker 1:Even when I was growing up I struggled with the concept of like you should love your neighbor, like love everyone. And you know how they say. You know some were sinners, some people are sinners and stuff right how did Jesus do that where he was able to like love people but not judge? Do you get what I mean? Like, how do you like? How are people able to navigate that like I have a friend who loves me as a friend, but then if I was like super conservative, like you know this, is wrong.
Speaker 1:Like for your fornication is wrong. You shouldn't be sleeping with women, right? Let's not even talk about gays, right? You shouldn't be having sex before marriage yeah, so it's like how do we navigate? Like you know, being this ultra super Christian and also being this ultra loving, person yeah, I feel like for me personally, I think Jesus.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not gonna like give you like. Jesus was just Jesus was just straightforward with the shit. Like yo, you're a hoe, I know you have like three husbands, I bet that's fine like yeah, he talked to you like because I don't have the day yet. You should just be facts. Like if I have a friend, if I'm my friend, you're talking like my money guy, like what? Like you're bugging bro, like a chatty and you'll be like yo.
Speaker 4:Do you see us as much next day? That's that's how we should be as friends like, because we're talking about ourselves much the next day or you're talking about something that is away from what you just told me. I'll still remember what you told me because you're my guy. In fact, you caught me out on some shit, but you moved to the next topic.
Speaker 3:You didn't stay there and just harp on it. You told me facts.
Speaker 4:You told me that yo, bro, you're bugging. That thing you did the other day is trash, wow, and now I shall beg.
Speaker 1:Have Nigerian parents can't really do that like you know like everybody struggles. You tell your Nigerian parent that this is what I'm going through and it's like, that's like almost like man bro, it might be a culture thing, it's not really religion, dr Omar cannot.
Speaker 4:Dr Omar. That is a fucking that we just we just embarrassed and said that he's a deadbeat dad. Is he the same person that goes to define? Define what is right and wrong, that's what. I've learnt about people, man he's a dead, like he's a trash guy. Everyone has their own thing, everyone has their own story.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no no no, no, no, let me finish. You can say whatever I want to say. I'm not going to take all your word. The same way, I can listen to R Kelly, I can listen to all these guys. You can do one. I did that part. I did that pretending I listened to RE Kelly.
Speaker 1:So are you? I played Naira Mali last night and for a second I wanted to remove his audio and I was just like I don't know.
Speaker 4:I'm conflicted with the whole Naira Mali stuff. I don't even believe people are really mad about Naira Mali on my life. I don't really believe that that thing is a real situation, I don't believe.
Speaker 1:Posted her, so let me tell you what happened?
Speaker 4:internet activities? No, no, no.
Speaker 1:She took that shit down, man let me tell you something bro yo she posted a video, so Nair Mali his new song is like PXY, it's supposed to be pussy. Like pussy drip is his new song that guy's so vulgar like he needs to be locked up.
Speaker 3:He's part of his brand from Soapy, he of his brand.
Speaker 4:He's vulgar as fuck right, but then you know the thing about.
Speaker 1:Narem.
Speaker 4:Ali's music do you know the.
Speaker 1:Thing about Narem Ali's music.
Speaker 2:Narem.
Speaker 1:Ali's music is like is sonically calculated in the sense that like the beat is programmed, like that beat is like you won't even know when you start moving right. And then with the aggressive, vulgar lyrics, it makes it like color. If I compare Nair Mali's music to a color, it's like bright orange.
Speaker 4:Goddamn. Do you know what I mean? That's a good aura, bro, but you can't miss it.
Speaker 1:You can literally use it as reflective jackets. Now imagine what happened with Mubad, where it's like let me get him tell you what the masses are accusing him of. Generally, people are not saying that amali killed mubad. I feel like that knowledge is out there, like something fishy happened with mubad that no one really knows. But we're accusing amali of bullying, which is a universal sin, like bullying is a sin that we accuse people of.
Speaker 2:Paul is grinding his teeth no, I'm saying easy, because trump is a bully and he's like, that's what I'm saying, like I know, but you know what else is new.
Speaker 4:That's why. That's why. That's why that's why I get what you mentioned about, like some things. Yeah, you don't really care about what people are saying. I don't. I care because for us to retain what is human and retain a like collective agreement about what people are saying. I don't care. I care because for us to retain what is human and retain a like collective agreement about what is a human social contract, social contract of humanity you can't accept what is right and not say, oh fuck that
Speaker 4:I beg whatever I want, yeah that's why I'm like because personally, bro, as you, as he was talking, I was like fuck y'all niggas man, I like that, like normally it's not that bad like I was. Even as we were talking I was already like yo, I don't really care about my bad did some shit. Yeah, my bad too shouldn't have stayed around the bad niggas.
Speaker 3:But you can't hang around killers and be like I got killed.
Speaker 4:Oh nigga, shocking like shocking like bro Because a lot of times in the music industry you're taking risks. You're taking risks like we're arguing about right. So if you hang around killers and you get killed, I can't be like damn nigga, like sorry.
Speaker 2:Wow, if you hang around people doing drugs, constantly doing white powder, and one day you start doing white powder, oh, shocking that you did it, no shit.
Speaker 4:Like no shit nigga like bro, like you're around cultists, you wanted to like get the benefits of being around cultists, but you didn't want to join them nigga what are you thinking? Are you trying to finesse real niggas or what like bro and those guys?
Speaker 1:they're killers, they'll kill you they're killers, bro, like oh yo, bro, there's killers there's killers, man, there's killers. There's killers amongst, like the AS and the like, the two biggest cultist groups in Nigeria they're worldwide they're worldwide organizations.
Speaker 2:Now they're in.
Speaker 3:Canada they're in Toronto, they're in the UK, bro trust me, man like bro, like bro your Afro Beach faves. I know, this is Afro Beach. They're cultists, bro. Trust me, man, trust me like music industry.
Speaker 4:Like as someone that's tried to like in my own lifetime. I've tried to like enter the music industry. I haven't entered fashion industry, bro, she's cold. I'm sorry. Like I don't feel bad for niggas like you know what you're going into. Yeah don't be like oh, they want me to be gay, nigga oh, don't be like, oh my god they tried me.
Speaker 2:No, bro, they will try you. You want to go shopping with me, bro? They will try you. You want a new?
Speaker 4:pair Bro like bro I like creating.
Speaker 1:directing Like creating directing.
Speaker 4:Oh, I'm into fashion. I like to design Everybody looking at you different.
Speaker 2:Like you can come in your hair, look how you wear it, look how Facts, bro, facts.
Speaker 4:But if you don't know who you are, you're pressing. If you don't know who you are, you're pressing, bro Look at how you're tipping.
Speaker 1:What are you willing?
Speaker 4:to do. What are you willing to do? Are you going to?
Speaker 1:take this it starts from right. You're going to take a bump of like whatever, like white butter.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like people are doing more people are doing cocaine.
Speaker 1:Are you willing to like get yo, bro, it's facts.
Speaker 2:It's facts.
Speaker 4:And we're very lucky that we're past woke era. Yeah, because 2016, 2018 to 2022, that's what niggas were on. Let's be fucking for real. That's what niggas were on, you know on the tip they were on the fucking shit bro. A lot of niggas are getting up the fucking ass, bro. A lot of niggas are doing great shit, just to matter or get into that conversation let's just be fucking for real.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It still comes down to the price. Everything has a price you have to pay for Everything has a fucking price, bro.
Speaker 4:The big question is you have to ask yourself yeah, the question you have to ask yourself is, are you?
Speaker 2:willing to take the cost God protect my booty hole man. My booty hole's out. Are you willing to pay the price and be?
Speaker 1:okay to deal with that, moving on with your life. The reason why we started this conversation is just the topic of, like, public counseling. So do you now really think, because we've like labeled Naramali as a bully, okay, we're past that. Now we know he's a bully. Now the general public is now protesting protesting, his music protesting his music by trying to like black box him economically, because if we don't stream he doesn't make money.
Speaker 4:I don't mind them blackballing him, I don't personally mind because like he's not the be all and end all of afro beats but, I just feel like and I don't mind the public doing that, because the public doesn't have any idea of what it means to, like, try to be a musician like, trying like trying to make it in music, right?
Speaker 4:so the public is addressing the issue based on oh, mobad died and you didn't help him I, and I agree with that. But niggas don't know, niggas, that in the music niggas have had to make decisions, right? We all know that Mobad. I know that Mobad joined a horrible gang and he knew what the fuck they were on before it hit him and I can't really be like bro oh my god, it's the same thing with Zeno.
Speaker 3:Zeno knows what the fuck is going on you all know what's going on, but that's what, that's what sells.
Speaker 4:Though when you think about what sells, it's like in music, like, bro, let me be honest with you. This is this is tricky, bro, like I don't want to like get to like in deep, like it's tricky getting deep, getting shit. Yeah, bro, the same way the same people go to court, they go to Babalawa and be like need protection they need their magic to go. They need, they go for prayers, they go for all this like fortification to enter a river or some shit.
Speaker 1:It's real. Everyone is just trying to protect what's theirs exactly. Bro, I know you're number one you're fighting to be number one.
Speaker 4:You have to stay number one. You're trying to maintain. Maintaining is harder than actually achieving like you know.
Speaker 2:But again to that, I just feel like where do you draw the line? There's no line people are supposed to be the one. They're saying people should self-police, so it's pretty much the loudest. Because all this kind of stuff?
Speaker 1:tends to be the loudest person. The loudest person takes over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gang, business is self-policing yeah, the loudest person takes, take, makes the loudest noise, and that tends to follow. So we cancel this person. So what do we cancel people for? Who comes up with the list of acceptable things? That, okay, this is not cancelable, this is cancelable.
Speaker 4:I mean, you can't bully a nigga like that.
Speaker 2:But just to finish, we understood that this was bad because it has been happening for years. We understood that this doesn't make sense. Why do people, why are we doing this? Then we've kind of like going away from that. It has been tried and tested like this cancellation is not it.
Speaker 1:No, I don't agree. I don't agree. For instance, I read an article about this and I thought the person made some good points. If you want to protest Nigeria's current situation now, some people say, oh, everyone should get on the streets and you know placards. Well, we saw what happened at the toll gates.
Speaker 3:They got killed.
Speaker 1:People got killed. So now they're telling you that this is a new style of protest, that you don't have to leave your house.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you don't have to be in front of bullets. Yeah, all you have to do is protest economically yeah, so there's something in it for the public, their safety yeah, no, I'm not saying yes, yes there's no things like that, like people coming up with creative ways to
Speaker 1:get their voice heard like all these things about signing a petition yeah petitions are almost useless, very useless. But those numbers behind it, when an npc is a petition with like thousands or millions of signatures, it's almost like that's soft power, because it's like whoa, this many people feel this way but it's not, it's not.
Speaker 4:It's just like one thing for feeling, another thing for action because you can't sign that goddard petition and nothing happens.
Speaker 1:Whatever, bro, like what are you? You? Know what I mean that's why they call it soft. Your power is soft. It's not really like it's not.
Speaker 4:It's not I feel like soft power is like hollywood, like it's, it penetrates your subconscious. You get me like it's not just, it's not blatant. You don't even know when you're talking, speaking like an american. You don't know when you're like referencing american movies or trying to be an american.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's soft power, that's influential power but then when you start acting on your influences, that's when exactly that's when his power is like. I brought up the example of an mp, because an mp has real power yeah and an mp can be influenced by soft power, but then if the MP chooses not to take action, then you get voted out.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, he can get voted out, and that would be an evidence of soft power still but, then I don't think that's soft power anymore, because an election is real power because as a citizen, but I mean in the context of not an election, where you're just doing like a petition, you can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 3:You're going with your day. It's just so bad, it's just so bad, the guy doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2:The point, the point I was trying to make sorry, to cut you off when you use that word before in the past you could use that kind of word and someone would say, oh, why did you use that word?
Speaker 3:that's a employer, exactly. Let's send it to your employer and all.
Speaker 2:Now we'll force your employer because we're flooding your employers with a lot of these things, then your employer end up firing you because of a particular view you had or a point you're trying to make it might not necessarily be coming from a hate.
Speaker 4:It might be a place of you don't know or you're on the street, that's a Black. Mirror episode bro.
Speaker 3:But it's happening. It has happened. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:The cancellation, yes, it works in certain ways, but there's also situations where it has gone terribly wrong.
Speaker 3:No, I agree.
Speaker 4:You cancel?
Speaker 3:the wrong people too. Yeah, I agree, you think it's me, but it's not me.
Speaker 4:No, I agree with you. I just feel like I feel like I think my problem with human beings, to be honest with you, especially human beings that never studied history or studied socioeconomics or like not studied as part like oh my god, I have a job but like actually care about these topics is that my problem with that is that like they don't know how to navigate these issues, you know, truthfully. So I don't actually like cock myself up to be like some expert navigator, but I think about these things like very, very often and very well right, so like my take on them is very different from most.
Speaker 3:Like I say I'm different than a regular man. Yeah, like no, I really am, bro, like it's just the truth.
Speaker 4:No, for real, though, for real, real, everybody has the right to be. I feel like my thing is that, bro, people always look down on socioeconomics like history, politics, sociology. They look down on those topics, but everybody now comes into the main, to mainstream society and I try to have engage like your day-to-day conversation.
Speaker 4:Now is not sociology and history, but you don't know anything about it so it's just like very reductive having concerns for people, but my whole point is that, like the n-word we've seen, I'm not saying n-word, that's cool, no, thank you. Thank you for catching me on that, but nigga, you know what nigga right, you know what nigga right we've seen? We've seen black people on the back yeah even Kanye West in 2016 like the confederate flag, but you think it's right to say it, though, nigger nigger yeah, I think it's right I think we should banish the world altogether?
Speaker 3:I don't think we should banish it I think I just I to be honest, I think it's wrong because obviously people went through like bro people, some people actually went through.
Speaker 1:It's like people that say, oh, they take it back. Like, what are you taking back? You're taking it back. What about people that don't want to take it back?
Speaker 3:but don't want to forget about that time. No, I respect.
Speaker 2:Respect them, it still comes back to the point of like oh, you vanished this word. Where do you draw the line? Okay, if you vanished this word, why shouldn't you vanish this word?
Speaker 1:you can't vanish this word you can't call someone a retard today.
Speaker 3:You can't use the R word. You can't use the word.
Speaker 2:R-word On recording. People don't use the word in their regular homes. They're like, yeah, you fucking.
Speaker 1:Bro, we've said like four bad words today. S-word, c-word.
Speaker 2:R-word, r-word, n-word In conversations. Who is the? We though, bro C. So I tell you, I've never used C you know what you see, bro, which people you see, what do you?
Speaker 4:time. Like you, fucking the reason why it's a regular word, the reason why I'm not saying anything, like I'm going to say retard or I'm going to say Damn man.
Speaker 2:Your man's doubling down, bro. I'm just not calling someone now, right, because you're not calling someone out of this shit, bro.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't use that word. I always have it in my daily lingo because it's a health issue. They don't have any fault in that. You don't have any choice. You're calling me a nigger bro because you but you have no choice. Let me finish. Let me say something. If you call me a nigger, like your wife personally calls me a nigger now I have a choice, to even care about what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I can either try to channel my ancestors or not give a fuck about my ancestors like, bro, people, people here end well like oh my god, my forefathers from the hundred four hundred years ago, wait money.
Speaker 1:Are you trying to say like, okay, I've been in heated situations like in football where, like you know, bro, you hate that, you hate that guy.
Speaker 4:We'll be fighting that guy's your up.
Speaker 1:No, no, okay this guy tackle me right now.
Speaker 4:Emotions are high and I approach him I'm like yo, what's up? And he's like Fuck out of here nigga.
Speaker 1:Like you said that, bro, that shit happened With MMSL bro. Yes, bro, fuck out of here you monkey. Yeah, I'm a trust sucker In Manitoba. These white boys In Canada, fuck out of here you monkey.
Speaker 3:Yes, bro, yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm on the board. You, I joined the boy because of that shit.
Speaker 4:My question to you is this yeah, knowing that you've seen that, when you think about it, is it that they're actually like, is he actually like a racist, or they're just trying to? Fucking yeah but what children like adults are fucking children, bro, adults are children but racism, like the actual definition, is like you hate, you hate this person I know you mean, but the actual definition of racism is systematic. It's not necessarily only, though, I think, by if you get mad at someone, right?
Speaker 3:you could insult them with facial features.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big ears, but like the fact that you you went to their race bro fuck you, bro like see, at some point, at some point bro, see, you have to like the order you get.
Speaker 4:I just believe that you have to explore different areas of the human expression, bro. You can't just stick to. Oh, you got to call me monkey because, bro, I'm beating you.
Speaker 3:I just believe fuck out of you. I thought you were going to say oh, forgive me, I'm beating you now no, like he was winning. I'm winning the game.
Speaker 1:So why should he bother?
Speaker 2:me, so I have a question.
Speaker 1:So I have a question In the heat of the moment when you just hear someone call you a monkey out of the blue. Definitely, I'm not saying it's not easy. There was a time there was a time, bro see, there was a time.
Speaker 4:There was a time, bro see, there was a time. There was a time. There was a time there was a time I was with Khalid. There was a time I was with my friends, like when. I was like there was a time I was with some guys in Nesifu, in Pembina, and we're walking, bro, this guy literally taunted us out of nowhere. This guy was like just missed us. Yo, he missed this guy in the fucking face. That's racism, because that's his own fault. That one is racism exactly, but not that like we're playing football or something's coming up for me moments, and then you're like fucking it.
Speaker 3:I'm like, yeah, whatever, bro, you're losing but you know, an answer always comes from a place I don't really care.
Speaker 4:You're right, bro, you're right my own question, so his question goes fuck you that's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1:Why is fuck you fine and the fuck you, monkey fuck?
Speaker 4:you, I can. I think about monkey now.
Speaker 2:I'm leaving, yeah but first thing, oh, fuck your mother, or fuck your father, that's fine he can say that to everybody, but he won't call everybody.
Speaker 3:If you call everyone a monkey, sure that's fine.
Speaker 1:Are you going to call your Canadian friend, your white Canadian friend, a monkey?
Speaker 2:but again, that's, that's, that's that's the valid question, that's the valid question but, how do you know, like at that moment in time, how can you tell that, oh, this word he's using right now? He uses it for all his friends, or he uses it only for me, particularly for me that's technical because you can't prove that he's gonna say, but I know he's it comes from a place like there's something.
Speaker 3:Why is that word there?
Speaker 2:Come on bro, what's going on? It's with fans when black players mess up and they start doing those noise.
Speaker 3:They start putting banana things on the comments. It's coming from a place, it's not random, you see someone like Havetz now, when he was getting hit the kind of hit he got was oh, your wife will lose her kid and stuff like that. They, they couldn't call him in If it was black?
Speaker 1:yo. If Abed was a black man, jesus, that kid is safe yo. They don't need to abuse the kid, they're going to go straight for the dad.
Speaker 3:There's no need to abuse about him If Abed was black man. It's not fair.
Speaker 1:Europeans literally have nothing that you can reshally insult them with. What are they Like what they going to say to you, white?
Speaker 3:man Colonizer. He's not making money, you colonizer. That's like a compliment. I didn't read yeah right, Like you smart enough right, it's crazy though.
Speaker 2:I guess in that kind of situation, right, it's two ways, right, it could be from a place or somewhere and it could also just be trying to rise, like just trying to get a reaction from you but call someone someone's mom.
Speaker 3:you say that to everyone call him bro, like I.
Speaker 4:I hear you man me personally. Racism is not right. Like everybody, I think everybody has the right to like own how they want to address the situation you know, like you own your own. You own, like it's always on my mom, bro. You might as well call me a nigga too, bro, I can't like you can't be, you can't be a white person. You can't be a black person, so you can't saw my mom, I guess him both reactions because, okay, I'm thinking about from a legal perspective, right, because calling the word racism, calling the word.
Speaker 3:It's definitely not racism.
Speaker 2:No, using the word n***a is, you can get into trouble legally for that word right, you can, yeah, but you just keep.
Speaker 3:You just keep using it though yeah, no, I'm a black person. I can use it word do you get?
Speaker 1:offended if your black friend calls you a nigga in an angry situation? What if your black friend calls you a monkey? No, there's two different things not everyone exactly, there's ER and there's the GGA like if your black friend calls you a monkey. What's happening next?
Speaker 4:no, no, no, personally. Personally, I feel like if you're a black person with me, I don't really feel anything. When you call me, if you say you use the ER, I don't feel anything because I get what you're doing right, you're trying to get me, you're trying to put yourself as a master, so I don't really be tripping. But if it's a white guy, I don't know. You from my mind, I'm not that close bro.
Speaker 4:But I think I feel, feel like I don't really like that then, because I feel like there's just this invisible gap that we have with white people, just based on that shit yeah, invisible like line yeah like, holds any furtherance of that relationship yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I see how some of our white friends are with us when it's like they're almost like trading on eggshells they don't want to crack the wrong joke or say I'm dirty, or say the wrong thing.
Speaker 4:You say I'm dirty that's because you know I'm a baboon now.
Speaker 2:I think for me with that situation. When it comes to my wife, friends I make jokes about race to make them look like yo.
Speaker 4:It's calm now you're being an Oreo. Yo, it's calm. Yeah, you can't I have been I have been an oriole.
Speaker 2:There's a there's a limit that I won't go to let them know. Okay, like you can, we can joke. You can joke, but like, yeah, you use your common sense. That like if you use the n word they don't use the n one, that's the that's the, that's the limit's the limit. They don't use that. But like that, like oh walking on eggshells oh, if I say if I say a particular joke oh, you like chicken, like. Oh, because racially black people like chicken, but like I do love chicken.
Speaker 4:I hear you, bro, like no, personally I agree with you because I feel like I don't I don't judging human beings like some shit. Like imagine you have to be, like every time you hang out with me, like I rest on the exam that's just. That's too much stress like if you say the N word, well, I'll be like yo, bro, you're mad if you try that shit again you're dead but I will move on.
Speaker 2:But if you now do like bro yeah what about the music though?
Speaker 4:the music oh yeah like bro, like I don't know about you singing in your head I feel like that's his potential. It's just too much.
Speaker 1:It's too much which is my argument. It's too much, which is my argument for why I say like, because buying it for everyone or buying it for no one, that's true. Yeah, now I feel you like this this is the one thing where we are trying to like the lidali in the middle yeah, like if you're trying to get a whole generation to a whole generation of white people to stop saying it.
Speaker 1:The word has to vanish from everyday lingo because if the next man is saying it is registering because it's every time you say a word.
Speaker 4:That's what I was going to say you can't be, singing one emotional song where the person is like fuck what you mean to say, nigga. And he's like yeah, nigga, nigga, dude, nigga like yeah like I understand to that point.
Speaker 2:I've been thinking about it like okay, if you call someone a nigga, the end word straight up to the you know, okay, that's.
Speaker 3:That's a whole different conversation. But then, if it's the music. You're really calling someone, you're just using the word, you could be saying fuck, kill yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 2:right, it's in the songs. Yeah, you can't say the word, though.
Speaker 4:No, I'm just like like, depending on the context of being like. That's my up. A lot of white people be thinking about niggas, like I'm trying to be the mediator, you know.
Speaker 3:A lot of white people be thinking about niggas like.
Speaker 4:Like, depending on the context of being, like that's my up or that's my brother or that's my friend, you know, not necessarily like I mean cause it's a cool. I'll be honest, it's cool. And let's be honest, niggas, don't wear sleeves, for, like your aunt's library, I know your ancestors thought I'm not my granddaddy.
Speaker 2:Like bro, like it's like, I'm judging you for your it's like I have to go back 400 years my granddaddy was no slave. Right bro, my god I was born in nigeria I've heard stories about the war that was the biafra war.
Speaker 4:My grandma would for sure your grandma was like bro you feel like you're here yeah and you're from where you're from bro, you're allowed to use the word bro, you are like, you're a survivor. Like you survived the fucking rodeo, you survived the whole slave trade. Like that is your granddad. Did not get trapped by white, by white people.
Speaker 3:Your granddad gave up must have been the one that sold his brother mirror mirror, mirror beads chocolate.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at your reflection but it's funny, though, when we talk about slaves, right the part, the word, part I said about slaves is like, because when we read about slaves, right the point, the way part I said about slaves is like, because when we read the bible right. They also mention slaves in the bible right when you watch history about rome empire and everything you know, there were slaves there even the same race too.
Speaker 4:So yeah, but the thing is that the bible also talks about how you should treat your slaves and he's saying yeah, no, he said you should wipe your slaves. You should be clipping their pricks instead of taking care of your slaves. My motherfuckers were inbreeding and breeding their slaves.
Speaker 3:So that's untrusted all the, all their hatred.
Speaker 1:The bible is not anti-slavery, I think people misunderstand that the bible is a record of things that happened so it's not as if like the fact that it was recorded there doesn't mean it was God's will.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you get what I mean. And Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar.
Speaker 3:And he said you allow.
Speaker 4:Caesar, Like you say, I'm going to do what I say I'm going to do.
Speaker 2:But you better do what you're going to do Exactly.
Speaker 1:did at that point and everyone's like oh, because there's slaves in the bible. So now?
Speaker 2:you want to do slaves now. So my question then is that we're homosexual? Because then, if I do not, the bible also says that homosexuality happened, so then, the bible now says yeah.
Speaker 4:So I mean the bible is clear on its stance on homosexuality is it the full bible or the old testament, which one some people have? Is it the full bible or the old testament?
Speaker 2:if it's old, testament, then new testament is a different religion. Entirely right, but personally, my opinion.
Speaker 4:My opinion is this yeah, jesus came and Jesus was friends with a tax collector, a prostitute all these motherfuckers, everybody, yeah, and all he preached to them was that if you believe in Jesus, your lifestyle would automatically change. Yeah, it's not. It not something you have to walk through, so it doesn't matter how you, you know, constantly confess our sins.
Speaker 1:Exactly, you have to be willing to agree that you're sinning.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, you have to confess your sin because I cannot be like yo poor man man guy. I'm tired today, I'm sick, but I'm not sick, I'm here.
Speaker 1:I've seen it too?
Speaker 2:is it a sin?
Speaker 3:though right, bro, it's not me personally some people say it's their way of life or it's how they were born or it's how they killed.
Speaker 4:I don't know. You bro.