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The One About Navigating Controversy and Culture
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Summary
In this episode, we talked about various topics, starting with discussions about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, the legal troubles of Nnamdi Kanu, and the implications of separationism. We also reflect on the role of social media in raising awareness, compare the governance and budget of Canada to Nigeria, and conclude with thoughts on the challenges both countries face.
We also discussed about the prevalence of fraud in the digital age, the impact of scams on trust and technology, economic challenges and opportunities, the dynamics of racism in modern society, and the implications of AI on the future.
Paul O (00:01)
Yo, yo, yo, this is a three rest of sport cast brought to you by Paul any money and ot or
Tobi Oluwadare (00:09)
I you, Slider. So am I. am I. Yes, dude.
Manny (00:11)
Okay, who wrote now the canoe
or the boat? Is that like... I don't know, I keep on confusing anything for canoe or boat. I don't know why but...
Tobi Oluwadare (00:17)
Yeah,
who's that though? I don't know who that is.
Ini Olorunnishola (00:18)
Yeah, I did.
don't know. You guys don't know who Nnamdi Kani is.
Manny (00:22)
I mean, I've been seeing the guy, but I mean, we'll start step by step because I the first topic on the board is persecution of Christians in Nigeria. Like, what it takes because I mean, this topic is very like, I mean, very controversial and propaganda. It does an actual word, you know, like what?
Tobi Oluwadare (00:22)
Nah.
Paul O (00:36)
Mmm-hmm
making up your words, but yeah, like it's
Ini Olorunnishola (00:40)
You guys don't
think that's happening? I don't know.
Manny (00:44)
I mean every year they smell like...
Tobi Oluwadare (00:45)
I don't know, is
it real though? Is it real though or is it AI? I don't know
Ini Olorunnishola (00:49)
You're the fuck.
Manny (00:49)
Once or me like well does anyone have any does anyone have any like understand of it?
Ini Olorunnishola (00:49)
I mean, we have...
Paul O (00:53)
It's been happening though
From what I've been reading and all it's just saying that People are feeling like a lot of Christians are dying because even I remember this was like maybe 2012 or 2011 when I used to go to church and In church used to go like hey, let's pray for other districts
Manny (01:12)
You just like, that's like
100 years you go away. What did you read last time you drove like 20 plus, 20, wow. Here I was, thinking I was worse than the boy. Know your heart is your thoughts, but.
Paul O (01:14)
Yeah
God knows my thoughts so it's fine.
Tobi Oluwadare (01:21)
They've been done for a while. It's alright, it's alright.
Ini Olorunnishola (01:23)
So you lost.
Paul O (01:28)
It's me and my God. I don't have to go to the church to serve my God. My God knows me. I've been praying for that lottery winning. It's coming soon, one day.
Ini Olorunnishola (01:29)
Mm-hmm
Manny (01:31)
Okay, okay.
Tobi Oluwadare (01:34)
Okay, okay.
Manny (01:36)
Ah, okay, okay, okay, let's get back to the topic. first you should have a question as an editor, I thought it was for us.
Paul O (01:40)
yeah yeah
so like 2011 2012 they used to used to pray in church like hey let's pray for other districts because people they've been killing them now but I think lately this year for sure it has been like on a broader scale like the numbers are saying is like over 70,000 oh sorry sorry 7,000 7,000 sorry 7,000
Manny (01:58)
Well...
Tobi Oluwadare (01:58)
How they finding them though? How they finding them though?
Manny (02:01)
OK, was like, there are so many people in one location.
Paul O (02:03)
Sorry, that's in total
in total they're saying in total since 2009 has been for like 50,000 to 100,000 Christians right Everywhere So right so the I guess the propaganda you probably see is the government is saying this is not The government is saying this is not a killing of Christians per se. This is just more like ethnic group
Tobi Oluwadare (02:11)
I think I'm in church or home.
You
It's not funny, it's not funny, it's not funny. It's real stuff, it's real stuff.
People killing people.
Paul O (02:30)
This is exactly,
this is just all resources they're trying to get land, to get resources and things so this is just I don't understand how you're trying to justify killing
Tobi Oluwadare (02:40)
They're
trying to downplay it though, right? And which ethnic group are getting killed though, do know?
Paul O (02:44)
⁓ Because it's looking like it's non-nordern people so because it's saying It's a lot of ebos your bars makes people in those in those areas because it's from Yeah, is wild and is I think it's done by book or I'm guys the middle belt. Yeah
Tobi Oluwadare (02:49)
Mmm.
Mmm.
Manny (02:52)
.
⁓ huh.
Tobi Oluwadare (03:04)
Man,
that's crazy though. ⁓
Paul O (03:06)
So northern Muslim majority
states or middle belt which is Christian south means largely Muslim north So I think this stuff became public when more public when Trump made that tweet
Tobi Oluwadare (03:18)
Yeah, that's
how I saw it too. I thought it was CAB. I saw Trump tweeting about Nigeria.
Manny (03:20)
I mean, I think I think people are always like
you were pushing I think towards the last one point you were pushing for Trump or United States was kind of like very reminiscent of the bring back our girls company that they were running so I think
Tobi Oluwadare (03:28)
Somebody, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Paul O (03:35)
Yeah, I don't
Tobi Oluwadare (03:35)
That's a lot of yeah. Shout
Manny (03:36)
yeah that's
Tobi Oluwadare (03:37)
out to them though, don't kill nobody at least. ⁓
Manny (03:38)
yeah we don't condone killing of anyone you know on this podcast or you know what the words that christian that's kind of wild yeah we don't don't kill it crazy
Tobi Oluwadare (03:42)
Yeah, Muslim, Christians, native doctors.
No one should be killed. Yeah, it's like crazy.
Manny (03:51)
Yeah,
that's on prayers actual thoughts and actual prayer.
Ini Olorunnishola (03:53)
What?
So what's going to happen in a world where Trump invades? Can you ever invade Nigeria?
Tobi Oluwadare (04:03)
yes, he's going to send a military
song too
Manny (04:05)
I was hearing
thoughts about people, I think I've been hearing reports, but again, I don't know where these reports are from, whether they're like, I, they're like, they're like basically seen like firsthand experiences or it's from, you know, Nigeria, they're always sending broadcast messages to every dad and mom. And it just keep on flooding those broadcast messages. So I'm not sure. People were talking about how U.S. military is already settled up in Borno and you know, they've been killing the people. I've been seeing white people in helicopters at night and I'm like,
Tobi Oluwadare (04:21)
on whatsapp. ⁓
Manny (04:33)
It sounds like some witchcraft. It sounds like African magic. It's very worrisome but at the same time I've been really conflicted about it because honestly I don't like to between two devils. I have no interest in picking who I want to support. I'm not going be like, oh Nigeria isn't good and Tenovo can't do anything about it. doesn't matter.
Paul O (04:35)
Afro Magic
Manny (04:57)
They're already fucking us in the ass like poods but... are already getting fucked. Yeah, people are already getting fucked by their government so I don't think this different type of fuck is gonna be different. like, I'm not fucking a fuck. That's kinda like my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, that's my
Tobi Oluwadare (05:00)
I'm not part of the damn though. Don't do that.
Ini Olorunnishola (05:01)
Hehehehe. Hehehehe.
Paul O (05:02)
Hehehehehe
Ini Olorunnishola (05:09)
No.
Tobi Oluwadare (05:12)
Hey, yo.
Paul O (05:15)
But it's crazy though,
because this stuff, even since like 1960s or earlier on that, it's like when it comes to violence, just feels like our government is just like, nope, nothing is happening. We can't see anything. Nope.
Manny (05:27)
Exactly.
Like we just say it's not good. You know, like that was just five years ago. Everyone did not. The just denial of all the events. don't even know what's real. And yeah, I wasn't even going crazy. I had to do a lot of first hand experience. They were like, that's that didn't happen. What's the gate? What's the toll gate? know, like you would just. Yeah, the N.S.A.S. protest and all of that.
Ini Olorunnishola (05:30)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (05:52)
We talking about end size right? Yeah you gotta put the end... yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Manny (05:56)
But mean, do you guys think that that thing had any positive effect? Because we haven't really heard about stars issues. I don't know if we've heard any like, money or personal experience. I don't know.
Paul O (06:03)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (06:11)
Wait, did you guys hear that? I money you broke up.
Paul O (06:13)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (06:13)
Man, push your mouth on that mic.
Paul O (06:16)
Ay yo. Ay yo.
Tobi Oluwadare (06:20)
You
Manny (06:20)
Yeah,
brother
Paul O (06:23)
Ayo!
Ini Olorunnishola (06:23)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (06:24)
stay
focused on the middle. You're moving around.
Manny (06:26)
Pause
Ini Olorunnishola (06:27)
Man
Manny (06:27)
pause
That's not you nah, this is so salacious Salacious shit that you're on about bro. Nah, but why what I saying was like, I mean the October 2020 events, right? Yo, yo, yo a slow down bro. Like I mean since 2020 have you guys anything about the end stars movement or any issues? Like any recent thing that happened this year?
Paul O (06:35)
See?
Ini Olorunnishola (06:37)
You
Tobi Oluwadare (06:38)
Better not, better not, yeah.
Paul O (06:44)
2025
Ini Olorunnishola (06:42)
No.
Mm-hmm.
Tobi Oluwadare (06:49)
mean David Do is onto other things right now, right? Wasn't David Do the leader?
Ini Olorunnishola (06:49)
Like from...
Manny (06:52)
So nobody's complaining about SARS anymore then.
I thought it was one of those.
That was when I was born.
Ini Olorunnishola (06:56)
like leader
of the protest
Tobi Oluwadare (06:58)
man I saw you talking to the government right? Don't you guys remember? It was the spok- It was- It was the sp- You just forget- It was the spokesperson right? Like- Check- Check out- Check out the fact. Check out the fact. Check out the fact. He was the spokesperson trying to talk to the- the- Come on man, I know my facts. Come on.
Manny (07:01)
Do we do all these songs to the government? I mean, I know it's a missed out of education in some states,
Ini Olorunnishola (07:02)
Hahahaha
⁓
Manny (07:13)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. think so. remember. I remember. I remember. You're right. You're
Paul O (07:16)
Yeah, I thought
Ini Olorunnishola (07:16)
You
Manny (07:17)
right. You're right, Surprisingly, no.
Ini Olorunnishola (07:19)
I'm sure David is not aware of this.
Manny (07:21)
Nah,
I think David was frustrating with other people. He the arse-posture scene with other guys, I think. yeah.
Paul O (07:30)
Boosky was
trying to his connection on this thing because he about this thing.
Ini Olorunnishola (07:33)
Well, so I don't know man, me I've always heard about Christians dying in Nigeria from time and now that it seems a little bit louder that only means getting, is getting worse or social media is getting more ⁓ effective or efficient. So that's what I think. I'm never going to downplay. I honestly believe it man. Like nobody knows that country is, there's a lot of dark, dark things happening.
Tobi Oluwadare (07:49)
I'm aware.
Paul O (07:51)
Mmm.
Manny (07:51)
Yeah.
100%.
Tobi Oluwadare (08:01)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (08:01)
Like
dark things man.
Paul O (08:03)
No,
for sure. I think with the social media era that we're in right now, right? You can see everything that's happening around the world, right? So before, because I do remember this in church when they did say that and it's just like, ⁓ only in my church, right? I need stop.
Tobi Oluwadare (08:11)
Yeah.
In 2011.
Manny (08:18)
Hahaha!
Paul O (08:20)
You
Manny (08:21)
Yo! Yo!
Paul O (08:21)
I mean, you don't have to go to...
Tobi Oluwadare (08:23)
That's a long memory, right?
Paul O (08:25)
Because that's when they were saying it. When I came to Canada and I tried going to church, they didn't really say that now. So the pastor was more like worried about people sleeping when he was preaching. That's all they cared about.
Ini Olorunnishola (08:28)
⁓
Manny (08:29)
Yeah.
It was just like shock had it in Nigeria. And it was like, oh my
Tobi Oluwadare (08:36)
Makes sense. ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (08:36)
Yeah
Manny (08:39)
God, fire, brimstone. Yeah. But yeah, I feel it.
Ini Olorunnishola (08:40)
Yeah.
Paul O (08:42)
Zwa!
Ini Olorunnishola (08:42)
So I
feel like this is also actually a nice segue into the Kaniw thing. So I don't know if you guys are seeing videos of this man. He's always dressed in Fendi and he's always in Nigerian courts. Whenever he makes like a media appearance. So what was actually happening is that like
Tobi Oluwadare (09:00)
Honest Pastor Tobito Offending and Fendi
Paul O (09:04)
Mm-hmm.
Ini Olorunnishola (09:12)
He's like the self-proclaimed leader of like Biafra, right? On... Wait... Wait... So, like officially, least Wikipedia says that like he is the director of like a United Kingdom registered radio called... ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (09:19)
Pah-dew-dew-pah-dew-condone that.
You
Manny (09:37)
Okay.
Ini Olorunnishola (09:38)
radio Biafra right Wikipedia actually I don't even know how Wikipedia is user generated right yeah so on his Wikipedia it says Marzi Namdi Kanu is a British political activist known for advocating for independence of Biafra from Nigeria
Manny (09:40)
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (09:46)
Yeah, people
could change stuff, yeah.
That's serious stuff though. That's serious stuff.
Ini Olorunnishola (10:03)
So yeah,
he's like Biafra number one man, like pretty much, right?
Paul O (10:09)
It
does have dual citizenship though. I just checked online is Nigerian and British citizenship. So I guess that's why he said
Tobi Oluwadare (10:13)
You gotta be, bro. You gotta be,
Ini Olorunnishola (10:13)
yeah yeah
Manny (10:16)
Yeah, the guys called this an event
Ini Olorunnishola (10:17)
I mean is is the lens so so what happened was in 2015 like in 2015 I Yaraduwa officially arrested him right on treason charges
So who was president in 2015? Was it Jonathan?
Manny (10:32)
Good luck to
Wari
became president in 2015. I'm proud that it Wari. was good luck, I think.
Ini Olorunnishola (10:38)
No, no.
It was Jaradwara before Good Luck 2
Tobi Oluwadare (10:42)
Man, Dio, Dio, Nigerian history,
Paul O (10:42)
Wow.
Manny (10:45)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (10:47)
Mine's
reading Wikipedia, he goes fast. I don't know what you're reading.
Ini Olorunnishola (10:50)
No,
Paul O (10:50)
This guy...
Ini Olorunnishola (10:50)
no, no.
Paul O (10:50)
This ⁓ guy...
Ini Olorunnishola (10:51)
not even... Well, I think it was Yaradwada that picked him up first. Whoever was president in 2015, that was the first time they actually officially arrested him on treason charges. And since then, there's been lots of drama. Usually, treason is literally the number one thing a country can have against you. That's like terrorism charges, right?
Tobi Oluwadare (10:53)
You
Manny (10:54)
Yo!
Tobi Oluwadare (11:16)
Yeah.
Manny (11:18)
Word, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (11:20)
So like this guy has been in custody like in and out of jail there was one time where like they literally went and picked him up from Kenya or something like when like he had bail bro they
Manny (11:32)
The extra Daiti niggas. In Nigeria, the Daiti niggas.
Ini Olorunnishola (11:36)
They extradited him from the country, even that country's government came out that time to say they were not part of Everybody was denying it, apparently there was even a word that Interpol was involved Bro this guy's is serious, it was definitely Kenya Interpol denied that they were involved Kenya said it wasn't their forces
Tobi Oluwadare (11:53)
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (12:06)
The Nigerian government got their hands back on this guy so by 2017 he was back in DSS holding DSS is like secret service This is not police matter or like this is like DSS so bad that like
Manny (12:14)
.
Ini Olorunnishola (12:23)
He's been begging them, I don't know all the details of the legal proceedings since then But some of events have been like, he has petitioned them to release him to regular jail Try him, let him go somewhere where he's not in states bro, the state is literally holding him Jesus Anyways, this is why I brought Namjoo Kani up
Paul O (12:37)
Ahem.
Ini Olorunnishola (12:47)
The latest video of him came out where you can see him visibly frustrated This guy has been fighting this thing since 2017, 2015 He is in the same Fendi they picked him up 10... I'm not even kidding Every video you see
Manny (12:59)
That's crazy.
Paul O (13:07)
It's infinity.
Tobi Oluwadare (13:12)
I'm gonna go with merch.
Ini Olorunnishola (13:14)
Because know like once they pick you up right like when you're going to when you're going to court is the clothes you came in bro bro
Tobi Oluwadare (13:20)
the same clothes that put you back in your...
Paul O (13:20)
Yeah, that's the one that I just did.
Manny (13:24)
Yeah, like I mean his rhetoric
is very like I'm just looking at his rhetoric. His rhetoric is like I mean shout to him for like starting off for something right but at the same time but I don't have any reason to shout to anybody else. People shout out for like people are like starting off for Nazi shit but this is but I like like Nazi Biafra that the guy's trying to
Ini Olorunnishola (13:34)
I'm
This bro...
Tobi Oluwadare (13:43)
Hold on though, you gotta get Paul's opinion though.
Ini Olorunnishola (13:43)
Wait, let before I get you guys stut on the whole thing Obviously, I said, it's separationism... However they pronounce it, separationism... Yes, separationism is governments hate that shit, like don't fuck with... And all the presidents...
Paul O (13:45)
Mm-hmm
Manny (13:54)
Yeah, separation is the end.
Tobi Oluwadare (13:54)
Yes.
Any government, yeah. Every government, yeah.
Manny (14:01)
Yeah, well, Canada seems to love it, be fair. Canada don't mind, you know,
having someone that hates the country, you can collect the federal sponsorships. yeah, one of those,
Ini Olorunnishola (14:09)
You
Tobi Oluwadare (14:10)
Hmm.
Paul O (14:11)
And the
Tobi Oluwadare (14:12)
Hmm.
Ini Olorunnishola (14:12)
Yeah.
Paul O (14:13)
person has not gone to jail for saying that
Ini Olorunnishola (14:15)
Anyways, so the last video I saw of him Like apparently where they are in the whole drama now is like they've been begging him to make his make his defense This guy is literally going crazy. He's fired his whole council He's he's defending himself
Manny (14:15)
Exactly.
Tobi Oluwadare (14:15)
Mm-hmm
Ini Olorunnishola (14:35)
He is trying to defend himself in Supreme Court by himself. Literally, comes into the courtroom with a stack of books. He is holding it. And the drama is, they telling this guy, what is your defense? And his response is, he is not going to defend himself because apparently Nigeria repealed the terrorism act that they are trying him for. And he has been saying that you guys have no case.
Tobi Oluwadare (14:35)
Damn.
I'm studying bro.
Ini Olorunnishola (15:05)
you guys have no kids but you know how like everything the legal system is like it's been brick walled long story short he's about to be sentenced November 28th
Manny (15:05)
Damn.
Tobi Oluwadare (15:11)
Yeah.
Manny (15:17)
That's crazy man. That's
Tobi Oluwadare (15:18)
Man, that's
Manny (15:19)
crazy.
Tobi Oluwadare (15:19)
sad though. That's sad.
Paul O (15:19)
Mm-hmm.
Manny (15:19)
And honestly, I just want to like harken back to what you said about, you know, treason. Like in my opinion, this guy like, I mean, everything is done is worth, right? It's like just worth making threats. I get it. But at the same time, have people that are actually like committing treason, like the vice president, like, you know, there are a lot of people in the government that are so Nigerian short. Like, to be fair, I was even thinking back to like, even this whole US thing, like, who are the US people?
think so also that born new situation, right? People are seeing that.
Paul O (15:49)
Yo man, your internet
is not dead at all
Ini Olorunnishola (15:52)
I think it's your internet.
Tobi Oluwadare (15:52)
No, it's not the internet.
No, no, I think it's the mic. It's the mic. You gotta be in the center, bro.
Ini Olorunnishola (15:53)
I think...
Paul O (15:56)
No,
you should stand in... Yeah, yeah, because I can see it like it's swimming like you're struggling
Ini Olorunnishola (15:58)
I think is I think is the internet because he's also breaking up a bit
Manny (16:07)
Bail.
My name's Joshua Wong.
Paul O (16:09)
I'm just kidding.
Ini Olorunnishola (16:12)
huh.
Tobi Oluwadare (16:13)
Is it a Torona Wifi? No, it's alright.
Paul O (16:14)
I swear All
that money All that money spent you're still getting laggy wifi Right
Ini Olorunnishola (16:19)
That's way Winnipeg back to Toronto Wi-Fi
You
Paul O (16:25)
We can't hear shit, we can't hear anything at all
Ini Olorunnishola (16:27)
No, now
you're mute, now you're muted.
Tobi Oluwadare (16:32)
I'll meet you at the club.
Paul O (16:32)
Hehehehehe
Manny (16:33)
Wait, I said you're
a bitch. can hear you from your last LDL. Chats to me about old Toronto Wi-Fi. Fuck you, nigga. Like, okay. Okay, is it better now or no?
Ini Olorunnishola (16:40)
Yeah,
Tobi Oluwadare (16:43)
I can hear you now, yeah, I can
Ini Olorunnishola (16:43)
I think it's better.
Tobi Oluwadare (16:44)
hear you now, yeah.
Manny (16:45)
yeah so sorry what I was saying was like it's funny how like you talk about treason right like the people that are actually in government you know I don't feel like he's done like he's made crazy statements but I don't think he's as bad as what people have actually done you know like there's no Nigerian shot like I don't feel like Nigeria is anybody's country but I Nigeria is gone, Nigeria being gone like it's not no it's the truth though
Ini Olorunnishola (16:59)
Yeah, I mean, I mean, no, no.
Tobi Oluwadare (17:06)
Don't say that out loud, you might be next to him.
Ini Olorunnishola (17:07)
Yeah, ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (17:09)
You might
be next to him.
Ini Olorunnishola (17:12)
No, I kind of disagree that you say like he hasn't like he hasn't done anything bad I would in my own opinion like one of the worst things he has done is like organizing paramilitary like Yeah, like he has he has like military like apart like literally the Nigerian military has had to go and fight these guys To squash like because they're almost in like a small insurgent group right now
Paul O (17:12)
Mm-hmm
Tobi Oluwadare (17:21)
started that group, started that group though.
Paul O (17:36)
So
Tobi Oluwadare (17:36)
Paul
is about to explode, let him speak, let speak.
Paul O (17:36)
what happened when I made the group? Because I read the... I'm not just buying anything
Ini Olorunnishola (17:41)
Are you about to justify him starting an insurgent group?
Manny (17:46)
Booker Arm
is there. Why don't you go and squash them?
Paul O (17:48)
Just wait now. me, me, exactly.
Let me land. I read
Ini Olorunnishola (17:51)
Okay.
Paul O (17:51)
the Wikipedia link that you shared. I read everything, right? I know I'm not just finding anything. The group that I created, right? It was about, cause Hearnsmen were killing people in that area, right? They were killing people. taking their lands. So they created, this was recently. So they created a group to fight them, to help protect their neighborhood from Hearnsmen and everything.
Tobi Oluwadare (17:55)
This is how she had me studied.
yeah, yeah, Okay.
Paul O (18:14)
Right, so then Nazarene Nijan Aminah decides to step in to fight theory the group that the guy created. I'm not justifying anything. What I'm trying to say is the government didn't do anything once and we see this happen every time. A certain group of people are
Tobi Oluwadare (18:23)
You could justify if you want.
Paul O (18:32)
committing crimes, the government doesn't move, the government doesn't do anything. As soon as there's a reaction from the people, then the government decides, ⁓ I'm not gonna step in, and I'm gonna squash everything. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Manny (18:40)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (18:44)
yeah obviously
obviously like we don't we have we don't have a great government we've never really had like you know good leadership in nigeria but i just feel like the only thing i can say is kind of commendable is how like they are really putting their foot down against this one
Manny (19:02)
Bruh,
no it's scary like I get I don't know I find it I find it worrisome you know but the other day like there's nothing like justice in our country even the courts are like like the fact that all of you are colliding to like or colluding sir it's like you know make sure that you're a popular one guy I don't know I think he's I think he's bullying bro he's not bullying my guy to be honest
Paul O (19:08)
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Ini Olorunnishola (19:22)
No, what they call that thing where they are making me escape good of him.
Paul O (19:22)
Mm-hmm
Manny (19:27)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (19:27)
Yeah you gotta
cut off the head so people can try to get ideas and do it again.
Manny (19:30)
And honestly he's
too loud, he's too loud like bro this is something you should do in the sidelines like you should be quiet don't act I just feel like telling your opponents I'm coming for you, it's like bro now you're bait like you told everybody what your intentions are now you're done you know I don't think it's intelligence
Ini Olorunnishola (19:44)
I mean, I mean, his whole thing is
his whole thing is like separating like eight or nine states from Nigeria. You have to be you have to be loud like how are going to get a quiet bomb on all these states to, you know, start an insurgency if you're not loud.
Paul O (19:51)
Yep. Yep. And that's what AJ doesn't like. Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (19:52)
out of Nigeria
If you don't say it
out in person, we wouldn't know, right?
Paul O (20:03)
I think
it's even when I was reading all the stuff. It's it just reminded me of when the first war started is similar like pattern is going
when people are being killed the government doesn't do shit as soon as someone just shouts hey i want to separate that's when the government then comes in because then now their money has been affected that oil that they've already sold 30 years 50 years of the oil already before before is coming out they've already sold it somebody already and cashed in the money once that once their bag gets affected that's when they now step in because this guy is pushing for separate to separate and if they're going to separate the north doesn't have really have any natural resources
Manny (20:20)
Yeah, that's a problem.
Exactly.
Ini Olorunnishola (20:32)
Yeah.
Paul O (20:44)
most of everything is the gold which is the oil no i'm not talking about gold per se like the raw material i'm talking about like gold in sense of money yeah oil is what pretty much runs nigeria and if they lose access to that oil nigeria is done and i bet
Tobi Oluwadare (20:50)
What they got? What they got, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (20:52)
Yeah.
Manny (20:58)
No, I'm just trying
to open up.
Paul O (20:59)
there are some local people behind the scenes, some British people, some Americans, some distance French behind the scenes are like, hey, why are saying, why are we hearing shouting about you want to leave? Shut up there, keep quiet, arrest this guy, keep this guy quiet. We can't have that kind of thoughts out there. We can't.
Manny (21:03)
Branch, branch, branch viewpoint.
Tobi Oluwadare (21:04)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (21:06)
Yeah.
Like it's crazy.
It's so bad that like literally the court that he's in right now like is they've transferred him so many times and in previous in previous parts of that story different judges would rule differently and the dss would not even respond
Paul O (21:34)
Yeah, yeah exactly
they will not even give a fuck it's like whatever we want to do is what's happening We don't care. We don't care. I know there was a judge that said This stuff is illegal. They can't hold him and they should give him one million. I think
Tobi Oluwadare (21:41)
Yeah, that's sad.
Ini Olorunnishola (21:42)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (21:51)
dollars of the deformation or damages yeah
Paul O (21:51)
Naira or something for what's it called? You know those charges or something damages Yes,
because the Niger government is suing him for defamation. Imagine a government suing you for defamation saying that you defamed the state Yes, that's one of the charges yes
Ini Olorunnishola (22:02)
I mean that's just one of the charges At this rate,
at this rate there's only one sentence they're gonna give him and that is life
Manny (22:12)
I don't
Paul O (22:13)
100
Manny (22:13)
want shoot
Paul O (22:13)
%
Manny (22:14)
him as if he's the cause I don't know, I don't want to do shit about it I'm sorry, not to be crude or anything Even the people that are behind him I don't want to do shit Because again I don't know, I feel bad for the Igbo sometimes Because even against Nubu, with Bitawbi and everything I just don't like the Igbo's
Ini Olorunnishola (22:17)
There
Manny (22:35)
You need to rise up like bro needs rise up military it's a rise up with honey back up their guys like because again you have a lot of these senators that he was as well down no anything's right to my but look at that you don't know anything isn't it on it was I guess they're not gonna have that Regina ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (22:43)
What you trying to say though? What you trying to... What you trying to...
Ini Olorunnishola (22:44)
Hey
Paul O (22:57)
100%.
Ini Olorunnishola (22:59)
Yeah. Yeah.
Manny (23:03)
Missing miss informer like this misinformation or to that maybe it's true. Maybe it's not but who knows when you guys talk about I if who knows no one is over referencing already or referencing but if you please PS or by the way like disclaimer Nothing here has been fact-checked. No one cares We're simply just reacting to what we see and I just commit so come it's like this podcast like wrapped about it's like well, please do your duty the jazz Google it yourself, but anyways
Paul O (23:07)
Who knows?
Tobi Oluwadare (23:10)
I'm hobby AI.
Ini Olorunnishola (23:13)
Yeah.
Paul O (23:17)
Hehehehehe
Tobi Oluwadare (23:21)
I say, after speak like a CEO now.
Ini Olorunnishola (23:21)
Hey
Tobi Oluwadare (23:26)
Mm-hmm.
Ini Olorunnishola (23:30)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (23:32)
Yeah,
Manny (23:32)
This Senator
Tobi Oluwadare (23:32)
go on.
Manny (23:33)
Ned guy, he basically, what does he do again? He said, was talking about, why won't that call you back? Like apparently, Regina Daniels or whatever her name is, she's left him because we were like mocking her for like marrying the guy or some shit. And then now the guy like talked about like how he owns that or some shit. It's like, yo, I sent your mom 150 million naira for your brother's education. I'm like, wait, wait, million naira of whose money? like 150 million of somebody's money. You're saying, yeah, talking about like, yours.
Paul O (23:59)
You
Manny (24:02)
I'm just like bro, even as we're getting older, your dastardly for these things to still be going on is crazy. In my opinion, it's crazy bro. But that's just, that's what I'd say about it man. Yeah, Paul, as a look out, as a look out.
Paul O (24:08)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (24:09)
Yeah.
Paul O (24:14)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (24:14)
What's your opinion or what you feel about it though? That's the real it's the real talk Yeah
Ini Olorunnishola (24:14)
Yeah, so...
Was was was your
fight you should you should you should have the final
Tobi Oluwadare (24:20)
spokesperson, yeah, what you what you feel this idea is it sad day in the in the community
Manny (24:22)
Massey Paul.
Paul O (24:24)
Guess my final thoughts is
I don't I don't I don't condemn violence. I don't agree with that I believe in passive because even the stuff kind of quoted to be at this part. There's like passive. What's that word protesting? It's like it's like you occupy or you boycott. That's kind of like passive
Manny (24:31)
Passive.
Tobi Oluwadare (24:36)
None is gonna get done with no passive though.
Paul O (24:43)
I'm just talking shit here right now. I need to go find that exact term itself. It's like protesting not not doing violence because then Niger government have a reason to not come and do force for force Yeah, so it's just protesting being loud, but I don't think Niger will ever separate. I think there's That's a different thought for a different day is is Is
Tobi Oluwadare (24:43)
protest.
be violent. That's true though.
Do you want them to separate though?
Ini Olorunnishola (25:06)
Eheh
Tobi Oluwadare (25:08)
I must must spoke without speaking okay so
Paul O (25:12)
I
don't know what you're talking about. I'm Canadian right now, so I don't know what you mean. is my second home. I don't know what you mean. Yeah, well, I just think that all separating is out of the way and it's just Nigeria got my niece to honor the promises that was made.
Tobi Oluwadare (25:16)
I say ain't gonna do me huh
Who
is it the government or a man that made the promise?
Paul O (25:34)
Yes, the government
made the promises that after all the bombing that they've done, they will come back and send money to help build up the whole place. But anything with Nigeria is out of the way.
Ini Olorunnishola (25:42)
That sounds like... That sounds like... You
Tobi Oluwadare (25:43)
You
Ini Olorunnishola (25:45)
know those stories of them. You know those when parents want to go out and they will tell their child, go and bring your slippers.
Paul O (25:52)
What?
What?
Manny (25:55)
I
Ini Olorunnishola (25:55)
The
time the child comes, the parent don't jack up. The Nigerian government... ⁓
Paul O (26:00)
Mm-hmm
Manny (26:01)
don't worry. Give me your money. Give me the money Uncle gets to you. I'll give it to you.
Nah, brother. Brother.
Paul O (26:05)
Yeah, yeah, my god,
but my parents have told me that stuff
Ini Olorunnishola (26:09)
That's what the Nigerian government did. They said, Igbo, just wait. Just be peaceful for a second first. But yeah man, hopefully we can come out of this man because Nigerian needs help. past, sorry, I was gonna just move on.
Paul O (26:15)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (26:23)
yeah, for sure though.
Manny (26:24)
Yeah.
Yeah, please round us up, us up please.
Paul O (26:27)
Yeah, no, it's the I
was I was going to move on it's coming back to home right Canada like the budget right because The difference between two governments right our government is in mud here Okay Nigerian government no Nigerian government. Yeah, this this new government in Canada We can't really the jury stay out or whatever the phrase goes because it's just a couple of months You can't really change anything in
Ini Olorunnishola (26:33)
Mm.
Manny (26:39)
Which government is in Canada? Okay, okay, okay.
Ini Olorunnishola (26:41)
You
Manny (26:48)
Yeah, yeah,
Paul O (26:52)
the coming months, right? So the new budget just been announced. So it passed two readings on less would have had a general election. Cause for our listeners, the way Canada works is if a government, the government in power, if they release a budget and they get in no vote of confidence is no that triggers an election. So they've passed two votes of confidence. No. So in the next coming months, we might see if
Tobi Oluwadare (27:09)
of confidence here.
Paul O (27:18)
we get some money to spend or if our economy is shit and the major thing I want to say is Trump, right? With Trump fucking everyone else and going, Tarif, you turning into Oprah, you Tarif, you Tarif, you Tarif. Yeah, what do you guys think would be the reaction in the next coming years to like the relationship between America and other countries?
Manny (27:32)
You get a tariff, you get a tariff.
Ini Olorunnishola (27:34)
Mm-hmm.
Paul O (27:43)
That's enough for Canada.
Tobi Oluwadare (27:43)
Hmm.
Manny (27:45)
I don't know. think what Canada is doing is smart, to be honest with you. But I don't know how the economy will look like. I know a lot of that is made to be necessary.
Paul O (28:00)
Bro, I'm
so sorry. I am so sorry.
Tobi Oluwadare (28:03)
I say put your mouth on that mic. ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (28:04)
I think... No, I think it was... I think...
I don't know. Did you change? Did you change back? I don't know. Something changed again.
Manny (28:12)
Wait, can I get any better now or
no?
Paul O (28:14)
He said, did you move?
Ini Olorunnishola (28:16)
Like, no, relax, like the waifu was...
Manny (28:17)
We can't. Okay, I think. ⁓
Paul O (28:20)
This reminds me of when you take your phone and are moving around places. Service please now, where are you?
Ini Olorunnishola (28:24)
Hehehehe
Manny (28:26)
Nah nah no,
honestly, let me just tell you something after this date you're all game cooks in several ways bro Meal ray, I promise you no no fuck that well done Fuck that fuck that nice. Well, can you hear me better now or no? For now, no, no, no, no, no, don't worry. I got you
Paul O (28:31)
No! ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (28:35)
Yeah
Paul O (28:37)
Yeah for now
Tobi Oluwadare (28:40)
I can't, yeah, I can't, yeah.
Paul O (28:42)
for now before he changes they are gone
Tobi Oluwadare (28:46)
Pay your internet bills dude, pay those bills.
Ini Olorunnishola (28:48)
Yeah
Manny (28:53)
So
what was I want to step on this fucking joke, by the way. So.
Paul O (28:55)
I'll this
in a group chat please whoever is playing games stop it's affecting my own internet right now
Ini Olorunnishola (29:00)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay.
Manny (29:03)
Anyways, as I was saying,
um, yeah, so I feel like I think I don't know I don't know I don't look like and I don't think we can compete as much as we are thinking we can compete, you know, like he has good ideas don't get me wrong, but I don't have the day my whole question is the buyer markets you produce our market like are we gonna be producing more or are you just going to be a better for China and other countries like you know, send your products here kind of thing have like a high
you know like bro people are cheap as hell like hg toby talking about my stick is worth $100 i have to choose between buying groceries and buying denim like you see like when we have one these red rates how far can canada's economy thrive you know how far can we thrive so that's just my question until people get richer and like are not scared of like spending i don't think we're going to get better like us will still be a competitive market and it will still have money people are saying
Paul O (29:34)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (29:38)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (29:44)
I suppose you did there, huh? Okay. ⁓
Paul O (29:47)
He said, I'm getting it.
You
Manny (30:01)
or the US GDP is being held by fraud, cryptocurrency, or defiance. At least it's being held. People are getting money. That's what I woke up. Yeah, people are getting money.
Paul O (30:08)
OnlyFans y'all
Tobi Oluwadare (30:10)
The money coming from overseas though, it ain't on from the US, right? People in Nigeria spending money there too.
Manny (30:14)
People are going to to the US
and spend money but I don't think Canada has those highlights that people are come in and spend in my opinion. Nobody is coming to Winnipeg except to shoot movies. know when you come to Winnipeg to shoot movies you are not hiring Winnipeg people. You are not hiring local talent. You are not showing off Winnipeg. You are not showing off Winnipeg. Have guys seen this movie Love Hurt? No? Yeah it's like...
Tobi Oluwadare (30:25)
No, no.
Paul O (30:25)
⁓ excuse me.
Ini Olorunnishola (30:28)
John Ham is in Winnipeg right now.
Tobi Oluwadare (30:31)
I are, they are though, they are though for extras, for extras they are.
Ini Olorunnishola (30:39)
Yeah, I think I watched TV
Ultra.
Manny (30:42)
Yeah, it's like they showed the movie in Winnipeg Yeah, they showed it in Winnipeg but bro there's no one seen where they are shooting in Winnipeg streets or shooting a part of Winnipeg so i'm like bro What's the fucking point that they're just like they're shooting small budget productions in the city and not highlighting shit and until Canada can take stronger stances in all of these things, it's not gonna grow
Paul O (30:42)
is romcom. think think my girl has seen that for sure.
Mm.
Ini Olorunnishola (30:54)
You
Yeah, I don't know Yeah, I I for the first time I actually like downloaded the ⁓ pdf the budget I was like I was like man I was like man Bro, literally i'm at that age where i'll be i'll be I just downloaded the pdf man. I put it in chat gpt. I'm like, yo summarize this shit for me asap
Manny (31:11)
Damn. I gotta read this.
Tobi Oluwadare (31:15)
Is there any money coming to me?
Paul O (31:17)
Yeah
Manny (31:18)
Box.
Yeah man, let me see, let me see
Paul O (31:26)
Yeah
Manny (31:28)
where I can come in.
Ini Olorunnishola (31:29)
So yeah, I guess like the from what I learned there was nothing that really stood out for me in the budget You know other than he's trying I mean he's trying to build more houses Faster, you know reduce the red tape. I don't know how that they're gonna do that in a couple Then I saw something about like fraud prevention like, know, they want to protect Apparently like fraud guys are boiling out
Paul O (31:37)
How soon?
Cash out
Ini Olorunnishola (31:56)
and yeah
there's a lot of fraud in the country right now and then obviously
Manny (32:00)
Where like is it cryptocurrency fraud
or like what kind of fraud please i never see him
Ini Olorunnishola (32:04)
⁓
Paul O (32:04)
or like you don't get the random calls
Ini Olorunnishola (32:05)
All sorts, like small, small. I told you guys now that I go scamming. I told you just to hear about the guy.
Tobi Oluwadare (32:05)
types.
Paul O (32:11)
What?
Tobi Oluwadare (32:12)
No
no tell us now I remember that story Who scammed you? Who scammed you?
Manny (32:13)
Nah, nevermind, I can't remember that story. Please, relieve your trauma for-
Ini Olorunnishola (32:15)
I'll summarize bro
I'll summarize so it was a was a developing scam where like the guy would call and say he called me he said he was a Rogers agent and ⁓ Rogers is because I'm he so he said so he said a few things about my account right he was like I see you've been with us for about nine years
Manny (32:29)
⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (32:40)
because of that we're offering long time customers like two new iPhones ⁓ wait wait now so he's like he's like would you he's like would you ⁓ he's like wait wait so he's like would you like me to place the order on your account I'm like ⁓ hold up so I hung up right
Paul O (32:45)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Manny (32:45)
Brother!
Tobi Oluwadare (32:51)
I have a 17.
Manny (32:55)
They got him. They fucking got him.
Ini Olorunnishola (33:09)
and then I called Rogers back which by the way is what you are meant to do right this is like fraud education and that day I did do my due diligence and I called I called Rogers back this is where I started to go wrong for me the agent I spoke to was bloody incompetent because
Paul O (33:14)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (33:14)
Yeah.
⁓
Paul O (33:17)
Mm-hmm.
Manny (33:20)
How'd you not guess gone?
Paul O (33:31)
Ay, ay, ay.
Ini Olorunnishola (33:32)
Told her I'm like I just received this call the caller said this this that's and that's ⁓ Is this something you guys are doing right now? She's like? Yeah, yeah, no, it's fine
Tobi Oluwadare (33:39)
Yeah.
Paul O (33:46)
We dashed two free phones
Tobi Oluwadare (33:46)
We get phones too.
Ini Olorunnishola (33:52)
So here's why
I feel like what happened while the guy was with me on the phone He was on the other line with actual Rogers and I also think there was an I also feel like there's an inside man like some of these cameras are also within right so like wait wait wait wait
Tobi Oluwadare (34:07)
Yeah, they definitely sometimes, you know.
Manny (34:13)
I'm not gonna say who,
I'm not gonna say where they're from. ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (34:16)
I plead the fifth, I'm not involved though. I'm not involved.
Paul O (34:18)
Whenever anyone goes I don't want to race his butt never goes well
Manny (34:21)
I don't mean to be racist but we know who they are and we know which group they're in.
Ini Olorunnishola (34:21)
⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (34:23)
I'm not involved, I'm not involved
Ini Olorunnishola (34:24)
So, so yeah man, guy places
the iPhone on my account, like two iPhones. They place it like everything. I'm like, you sure? This guy's like, yeah, yeah. And that's what I'm saying. So he's talking to me and then the other person is talking to Roger. So it's the middle man scam. Like that's how they do it. So anything I say, they tell Roger's. Yeah.
Manny (34:36)
We have your you give them your condit
Paul O (34:36)
Which iPhone is this?
Manny (34:46)
cool
Paul O (34:46)
damn, we repeated. So what iPhone
Manny (34:51)
Damn.
Paul O (34:52)
before
you go on?
Ini Olorunnishola (34:53)
So they ordered two to I think this was like last year they ordered two iPhones to my on my account And then and obviously after I called rogers now my my guard is down because Roger said it was Roger said it was fine so long story short
Paul O (34:57)
Whoa.
Hmm.
Manny (35:11)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (35:13)
I it to my address, I held these two iPhones in my hand, right? And at that point, I still didn't realize that there was a scam going on because the guy calls me back, he's like, ⁓ this is part of the scam by the way. ⁓ like there was a mistake, I need to it back. God damn. So I shipped it back, yo. Only for me to wake up like three days.
Manny (35:17)
Yeah.
Paul O (35:28)
Send it, man.
Manny (35:32)
I should be back.
Paul O (35:34)
You
Ini Olorunnishola (35:38)
I woke up like three days after and then I see that there's bills on my Rogers account So I called I called Rogers and leave it I'm actually leave it I'm like, you know what? If it was like not call you guys Right, I would have said ⁓ I'm a fool I'm like
Tobi Oluwadare (35:45)
Wow.
Paul O (35:51)
Hmm
Manny (35:58)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (35:59)
I'm like, you know what? I'm not even going to yell at you right now I'm not even going to argue with you or whatever I just need you to do two things for me Send me my last three recordings of every time I've called you guys So they sent me the recordings from my last three interactions with Rogers And I listened to this call back I'm I'm not tripping I asked this... I'm trying not to use that B word I asked babe on the phone I asked this babe like
Paul O (36:00)
Yeah.
Manny (36:28)
Wait,
Paul O (36:24)
Access baby.
Manny (36:28)
what did they do after like I mean they had recordings they know that you didn't call
Ini Olorunnishola (36:32)
Yeah, so
as soon as as soon as rogers heard that I called them and he was the agent that kind of like You know didn't understand What was going on bro? Did not even they just refunded my money They did they did everything they had to do. I think they even gave me some credits they gave me
Manny (36:50)
Good, good, good, good.
Paul O (36:50)
They better give it credit
Ini Olorunnishola (36:53)
They literally treated me like a victim because I was a victim. There's no way. So yeah, the budget has this huge thing about scams and then the regular, everybody is happy that he's keeping the dental benefit plan and all those $10 a day daycare. So in general, I think it's well received. I think the budget is well received. The only thing is a deficit. ⁓
Manny (36:57)
That was good.
.
Tobi Oluwadare (37:13)
Yeah.
Manny (37:16)
Yeah.
Paul O (37:20)
Yeah, I mean
Ini Olorunnishola (37:21)
So who is going to pay?
Paul O (37:21)
you do have to spend money like sorry going sorry going
Manny (37:24)
I it's needed though to be fair
I know you think I want money but I'm pretty damn motherfucker so... The accountant, Toby like... ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (37:27)
Yeah, so that was it.
Paul O (37:40)
But anyway,
when they have to spend money in order to then grow their economy, because I do understand the deficit part, right? Because it's like, how do you then grow the economy without spending money?
Manny (37:48)
Yeah.
You
have some man, you have to spend way too much money.
Ini Olorunnishola (37:54)
Yeah.
Yeah. I...
Paul O (37:55)
The-
Tobi Oluwadare (37:55)
That's true
though yeah. But I think in the short term, it's going to be rough. In the long term, it will get better. So for example, like this whole tariff issues, Most companies now have to figure out a way to create new like supply chain, new logistics of how they can move from point A to point B. And that doesn't take days.
Paul O (38:02)
Explain.
Tobi Oluwadare (38:23)
I feel like we're getting into a world now where it's like the rest of the world they're figuring out the ways now to get those done. So if they cut a deal with Trump for example that's just for time being by the back of their mind they're thinking we're too over dependent on this one player how can we diversify. So next time this try to, because this is just one guy another country could come in and say
Manny (38:31)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (38:31)
Mm-hmm
Manny (38:43)
Yeah.
Paul O (38:49)
Mm-hmm.
Tobi Oluwadare (38:51)
you getting 30, you getting 40. so it's like, like I said, so short term, because there's so much uncertainty, it's like, it's going to be rough. But then in the future where there's new trade lines, maybe China is dealing with Canada for XYZ directly. don't mind, we not have to send stuff to the States. Maybe might just go straight to, I don't know, the UK or London or France. But those trade lines would take time and agreements. And when those are set in place,
Paul O (39:10)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (39:10)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (39:18)
you don't need to depend only on America and then the other part is also using the USD as like a pegging currency right that's the reason why everyone's kind of stuck with the states regardless and this all straight back to like agreements back back back in the day it makes sense
Paul O (39:26)
Yeah.
Manny (39:29)
Yeah.
You just like the 70s
or 1960s, I guess.
Tobi Oluwadare (39:38)
Yeah,
it makes sense for To control risk to use one currency Because if everyone is trying to trade if you're trying to trade with china using Chinese yen, is it? Do you use yen in china? I don't know they use in china But you know, mean like if you're trying to trade with each specific country and you're trying to have to buy their currency Some countries currencies are not easily available on the market, but you know usd for sure It's always going to be available because that's the most widely used
Manny (39:43)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (40:04)
So it's easy to have trade so you could trade with India right now and it's in USD and it helps it helps the states because then you buying and selling their currency and they gain some sort of share from it. But I Trump doesn't kind of like see it from that perspective. He just sees it from, they ripping us over. We've got to rip them back. It's more convoluted than like because these are economic stock. It's all convoluted than just one thing. It's not one to one. I think I also saw someone saying as long as we're still using USD,
Ini Olorunnishola (40:09)
Yeah.
Paul O (40:18)
Mm-hmm.
Tobi Oluwadare (40:33)
they will always be in a deficit in the states because they will be buying and selling their currency and if the whole world then want to go to using a different currency it is going to create risk what if I buy I don't know Indian rupees and then the rupees goes down by like 30 % it's affecting my own bottom line now because then it's just I just lost money because this currency is not that stable but we know USD is always going to be stable so it's just this whole problem around the world but it's
Manny (41:01)
Okay, but
with that take then like I mean I don't make this to I don't like make this economics like you know fucking course It does the case right if the US is always with the currency right I mean for this for I don't know for the foreseeable future Then what's the play that kind of is making even if even during this? Supposed growth that you're making if you're be trading the USD What's the point because you guys do you still retain its value? What's gonna be treating with you guys?
Paul O (41:14)
you
Tobi Oluwadare (41:17)
Yeah.
Okay, I think what kind
of kind of I'm gonna do now is
Manny (41:30)
So you're gonna be weakening along
due time or something else is gonna happen.
Tobi Oluwadare (41:35)
I Canada just has to be more beneficial people to put their money in. That's only thing. But then it's tough for Canada because if you're a foreign investor, why would you rather put your money in? Canada or the US? it's just the geopolitics is side by side. If we were like a little bit further away, it'd like I got to travel X, Y, It's just like I'm going to rice or beans. They side by side. I know I'll get more better going to this side. So most of the time they'd rather put their money in the States.
Manny (41:45)
Exactly. Especially when you're trading. Especially when you're trading, right?
Yeah.
Thank
Tobi Oluwadare (42:04)
I have
to also think of the states too, it's like multiple countries in one. Right? If you kind of, so it's like your money can kind of go farther. If you don't like New York, you go to Texas. If you don't like Texas, you go to Miami. You go to Florida. So it's like, boss, we don't have that same riz in Canada. So, this is the only trigger, it's the only trigger part. That's the only And I think also it's like, there's so much.
Manny (42:07)
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. Good to Florida.
Exactly. We don't. We don't. Like, I go to Winnipeg.
Ini Olorunnishola (42:21)
Yeah
This guy...
Manny (42:28)
I'm go to Winnipeg
and invest like let's be fucking for real bro. I'm gonna like let off my money down to Winnipeg. Now, what are you gonna do?
Ini Olorunnishola (42:31)
This guy... This guy keeps bashing me when he pegs. Are you...
Tobi Oluwadare (42:35)
We have better wifi though, that's all we can
Manny (42:38)
Wifi
yeah, you this is where I Americans bro. I'm not gonna get short I'll make a billion dollars. I'll be broke as hell. See that was your point
Tobi Oluwadare (42:38)
say.
Ini Olorunnishola (42:46)
Yeah,
Paul O (42:47)
Hater, hater.
Ini Olorunnishola (42:48)
man
Tobi Oluwadare (42:50)
Winnipeg
loves you too but it's alright, it's alright.
Manny (42:52)
I ain't sure how that goes man. But I mean that's really good thoughts. I mean those are really good pointers from you know about like the economy right now but we'll see how that goes. But like in the midst of everything do you think the world has gotten more racist or not?
Tobi Oluwadare (43:02)
No one knows the future, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (43:06)
I mean, I think I can connect with this one in a way. ⁓
Manny (43:09)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (43:09)
You must say I want it for me.
Manny (43:11)
I know based on your experience
with those who shall not be named, do you think you won't?
Tobi Oluwadare (43:16)
What you mean doos who? What doos?
Ini Olorunnishola (43:19)
I feel like there's a new definition of being racist. I just feel like anything that is like once you are little bit on accommodating to a certain extent of certain races, I feel like you are enough to be racist. Back in the day, racism used to just be like, ⁓ he said the n-word.
Tobi Oluwadare (43:31)
Mmm, that's good point.
Ini Olorunnishola (43:43)
or you know he you know he used this term whatever right now in this age and time where like we're simply just preaching like love and there's just so much hate in the world if you see there's more hate in the world then you have to see there's more racism in the world because like you know hate comes out in racist ways do you get what i mean so
The question is, there be more hate in the world or more racism? Because if the question is, is there more racism, that's blatant yes. Of course, there's more racism. The racism is getting little bit normalized to a certain way. I'm anti-woke in the sense that I'm allowed to be a little bit racist.
Manny (44:15)
year.
I mean, I
kind of agree with but I also don't kind of agree with you, per se. Yeah, just a little bit, because I think, you know, coming from the world we've come from, I do believe that a little bit of hate is needed, you know. A little bit of, but like, yeah, like, let's be honest, bro. Like, we need to know where we all stand. Like, the idea that we're all the same, which we are, like, we're all the same, right? But we're all, some people are making ridiculous decisions. Some people are making ridiculous stances. So, you're probably like, you know,
Paul O (44:31)
Just a little bit
Tobi Oluwadare (44:43)
Mmm.
Paul O (44:47)
Just a little bit. ⁓
Manny (44:59)
just trying to live off the good of everybody else. Which I don't know, which I understand, but feel like the world is definitely switching to a different template. Ever since that whole Kendrick Bezos drink, I don't feel like the world is like, no more, I'm done with the fake love, you come by as shit, this is just my style. don't think it's, mean, racism is always going to be there, it's always going to be the same, but I feel like black people are also getting stronger, they're also getting more, they're getting wealthier as well, right?
People can't enjoy it, like, I don't like white people too, like, the people don't like it. And I met people like that, are like, bro, if there's a white person playing tennis, I'm not playing with them. If there's a white person playing tennis, I'm not going there. People are like that too, you know? Yeah, like, people, it is dope, but, you know, like, people are actually making those chances as well, right? So I think, I think, I don't mind it, to be fair, to be honest.
Tobi Oluwadare (45:41)
That's wild, that's crazy, spread love man, that's wild.
Ini Olorunnishola (45:42)
I okay,
like, yeah, I did it.
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (45:52)
Damn, must've...
Ini Olorunnishola (45:54)
Like
Manny (45:54)
I don't mind. Like love is important, Paul. know, like, we also need to be very careful. Yeah, Paul, what are your thoughts?
Ini Olorunnishola (45:54)
⁓ okay, I I get it I get it like
Paul O (45:56)
You
Tobi Oluwadare (45:59)
What do you think of that? ⁓
Manny (46:01)
What do you think of that,
Paul O (46:03)
i don't i mean
Manny (46:05)
Boy, you can't be like, ah, we need
more, we need more.
Paul O (46:08)
I'm having tech issues, sorry. Yeah, I just think is social media is kind of just making it look like, because I think all this stuff has been going on for years. It's just now we can see it every single time, every single point. It's, I don't know, when people go like, ⁓ your statement about black people doing, I'm not gonna do this stuff when there's a white person.
Manny (46:11)
What? For real?
Tobi Oluwadare (46:20)
Yeah.
Paul O (46:33)
We know this is bad years ago people fought and died to prevent this segregation from happening. They say my dad I went to jail for all of these things and now you're coming to say no Yeah, pro black
Manny (46:42)
I can't give you speech.
Tobi Oluwadare (46:45)
I speech, you my whole speech is...
Ini Olorunnishola (46:46)
Yeah, I don't know like yeah
That's why I say it depends on what you refer to as racism these days because what you're referring to obviously some people might use softer words like gatekeeping like Tyler the creator came discrimination Tyler the came out that like he was he was he's like a big advocate of not everything needs to be like influenced or shared I don't want to share this experience with you don't ask me where I got my share from like I don't want you to have the shirt like
Tobi Oluwadare (47:00)
Discrimination.
Manny (47:11)
It's true.
Tobi Oluwadare (47:12)
Mmm.
Manny (47:18)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (47:19)
You things like that. mean, I think things like that are okay and cool when it comes to fashion style and maybe preferences. But then when it comes to life opportunities and healthcare and death or life, I don't think you should be trying to gay keep someone's right to be alive, pretty much.
Tobi Oluwadare (47:30)
opportunities though like share
Manny (47:36)
Yeah
No, for sure.
Yeah, no, no, I agree with you on that point. Like one thing I agree on is like in terms of culture, like I don't agree with the racism thing. don't agree with white people not being gay, sure. No, yeah, I don't agree with you. No, no, I'm walking you back. I'm walking you, no, I'm trying to clarify my statement. I'm walking anything back. Let me clarify, let me clarify what I mean. Let me clarify what I mean. All I told you, no, what I told you, what I told you is that hate is important, but because of like my own domain, right, is more from a cultural perspective of
Paul O (47:53)
You don't? A girl with a race of 17? You don't? Are you sure? Are you sure?
Tobi Oluwadare (47:54)
I'm just walking back right now. You're walking
back and you're
Paul O (47:59)
Are you sure? I mean, racism is fine.
Tobi Oluwadare (48:01)
Stand on business bro, stand on business
Manny (48:12)
Fashion arts culture per se like you know like I didn't do that's why for example I've used musical references like Remar's album so where Remar was like I'm trying to take Afrobeat to this level where Justin Bieber can't just drop an Afrobeat track and say I'm making Afrobeat right like we also take it to the original level where there's not clear distinctions about who does what and who knows what right I think it's important because niches are dying
know niches are dying like no one cares that there's no niche that is like secret anymore everybody except for maybe i mean witchcraft bro you can just go on your tiktok now and see which which is doing spells like i'm being honest like my girl was showing me like a you know like this witch stuff where this person was trying to like break the connection or the connection between her and door dash so they put you know this witch was doing some shit where she put like two candles right and she puts the pictures of two people
Paul O (48:47)
Which carrot? ⁓
Manny (49:08)
and you know, they're like, their sexual energy is still tied or they're still like, yeah, they are still tied in this way, which they put the rope between the two candles and then the lights, they can't do and then the candle burns and the rope burns and then now all of a sudden the connection is dead. And now somebody was like on TikTok, yeah. That's no, the spell, the spell is meant to break your connection with something that you create while you're obsessed with. Somebody using for Dota Ash.
Paul O (49:11)
sexual energy
Tobi Oluwadare (49:23)
It's on TikTok.
Paul O (49:24)
Wait, sorry, from Doordash, like the full delivery service, Doordash
so they're all okay way so they're ordering too much from dollars. They're taking too much that money or they're swelling up because they're eating junk
Manny (49:38)
Basically.
Basically, and now
you go to your witch to help you battle your lack of discipline. And that's what I'm trying to say. Witchcraft is a niche.
Paul O (49:48)
I see, I see. So is,
wait sorry, so is people from the guy's village or woman's village that is making him keep on ordering Doordash? White America, hmm.
Manny (49:53)
Bro this is in white America bro This is in white America,
this is not in Nigeria You know? Yeah, so like, and you also had Charlie Kirk as well Apparently witches were like praying for him to die Literally weeks before he did So I'm just saying that That used to be a niche Like, now they sell it on Etsy bro And I'm sorry I'm giving you the bug I'm going to go and find witches Bro I'm telling you this shit is right in front of everybody
Tobi Oluwadare (49:59)
It's not in the business, not in the business.
Paul O (50:06)
Ayo.
Tobi Oluwadare (50:07)
I actually defy the...
Paul O (50:11)
⁓ Yeah
But what sorry though can we is there any time we can because once the genie is out of the box How do you put it back in?
Manny (50:25)
I don't know like you can't put the surface level information back in but there are depths like there are depths to these niches right there depths to these practices that if you don't really care about it then you can't find but if you care you have to go through that round don't care then you don't want to like find out about it I'm always going to look at how much stuff I'm like my god let me go find a YouTube channel to cast me like
Tobi Oluwadare (50:42)
Yeah.
Manny (50:50)
I don't care, but I'll see it, but I'll be like, damn, now I've been exposed to it. This is happening, you know? So, but yeah.
Paul O (50:54)
Yeah, yeah imagine Imagine putting an AI and go like hey Like can you explain which on chat? Hey chat, can you explain which is and which is not to me?
Manny (51:05)
I don't know maybe it's giving you some information, like we got punished or something or cast some Jesus stuff on you I don't know but yeah it's crazy though like and that's where the world is getting to so I don't agree with it it's like I agree with gay keeping I agree with people like having to go and do the work for themselves I don't agree with it I don't like anyone this thing about what you say
Paul O (51:11)
I'm
yeah.
I disagree. I disagree with you.
Tobi Oluwadare (51:24)
Okay, I'll put ⁓ yeah, okay money money
you trying to sell jeans bro, but if we get keeping we get keeping you right now how you gonna make
Manny (51:31)
I'm good keeping that
shit bro, I'm good keeping it cool. Motherfuckers can just go on Alibaba and be like make me a denim shankshi and you know that one person will be like oh yeah how much you want to buy it then I'll sell it to for $10 for one. They come out and be like oh my brother gave me a new denim man it's all like you know China like I mean I'm not saying China made it poor, it's low quality but they have tiers to their like to their production right so they'll sell you some you're not selling it for like $80 and you buy it. I'll oh my god I bought this new denim man it's like
Tobi Oluwadare (51:48)
And I'm like, yeah.
yeah, 353
Manny (52:00)
N***a that's gonna break after the second wash so whatever man. Yes I also talk like this now because we can't, I can no longer, like we also be mean with things. I'll be like no gatekeeping things. I don't tell everybody everything. I agree with gatekeeping. I don't agree with gatekeeping opportunities or you know things that I'm better at.
Paul O (52:02)
Second word. ⁓
I disagree with gate skipping 100%.
Ini Olorunnishola (52:17)
Alright.
Paul O (52:20)
But then who, okay,
okay, without statements, who then draws the line? Who then draws the goals? Okay, exactly. So this one is, this is one there's gatekeeping, this way there's no gatekeeping or this one's allowed to everyone. Who is not the person?
Tobi Oluwadare (52:25)
Who gave you the keep a gate to be locking the gate? am I saying I'm gatekeeping?
Manny (52:32)
Can I explain? I can tell you who,
Ini Olorunnishola (52:32)
Paul, you sound really far
off.
Manny (52:33)
can tell you who. You have to have good morale. The gatekeeper should have good moral compasses. That's what I'll say.
Tobi Oluwadare (52:35)
⁓ step on that mic
Paul O (52:36)
So what?
Ini Olorunnishola (52:39)
Boy you sound really far off.
Paul O (52:41)
I'm sorry Farof, can you hear me now? Hey yo!
Tobi Oluwadare (52:41)
Yeah, yeah, up on that.
Ini Olorunnishola (52:44)
I don't think,
I don't think, is your mic on? Or are you, is it, are you even using that same mic? Cause something changed also. I mean, this is our first recording. I'm sure we'll get better at this.
Paul O (52:48)
Yeah, it's on.
Yeah, something changed
Manny (52:55)
Something is changing.
Paul O (52:58)
I was having tech issues Is it better? it better? Okay, alright Is volume Yo, is your internet money? You're on this internet
Ini Olorunnishola (53:00)
Yeah, maybe we should also let's... Yeah, it's better now.
Tobi Oluwadare (53:00)
I'm so sorry.
Manny (53:04)
I
can't really hear you Paul, like, I actually, why?
Tobi Oluwadare (53:09)
In better not, better not.
Ini Olorunnishola (53:11)
We should also speed through the rest of the stuff we have to go through.
Paul O (53:15)
Hmm. Yeah, well I was gonna say right like the AI stuff right? It's like you IT guys. Can you explain to us how? How do we was it called? How do you teach AI?
Ini Olorunnishola (53:29)
How do you work?
Tobi Oluwadare (53:29)
What
do need to know about AI?
Paul O (53:32)
Yeah.
Manny (53:32)
It is, it
is, like crazy, bro. Sometimes so. It has to drop on training, know, training things.
Tobi Oluwadare (53:36)
I was the CEO of CEOVA.
Ini Olorunnishola (53:39)
I feel like the angle I'll go I'll start with this is there's a whole group out there that is like anti open AI open AI is the company that does charity pity and they feel like AI is going to be the obviously the start of human extinction So I guess I always ask people just generally how you guys feeling about AI do you think
Paul O (53:58)
Bye.
Ini Olorunnishola (54:05)
Do you think this is like Black Mirror-ish? Do you feel like dark energy with AI?
Manny (54:10)
Nah, not really to be honest. Yeah, I mean after seeing AWS crash and I don't know if you guys have seen this bed that's powered by your wifi, powered by internet or whatever or the cloud whatever shat. The bed was stuck, someone's bed was stuck in 45 degrees all night bro, they couldn't sleep with that bitch. Imagine connecting your bed to wifi bro, like what the fuck, where are we in the world and now your bed is overheating.
Tobi Oluwadare (54:13)
I mean some parts of it though, some parts-
Paul O (54:21)
Ahem.
Ini Olorunnishola (54:26)
Yeah, I saw that.
Paul O (54:34)
Yeah.
Manny (54:40)
Come on bro, like so I don't know I don't I mean AI and the Internet of Things I don't think AI is that intelligent I think it's intelligent for some scenarios, but not that intelligent in my opinion
Paul O (54:40)
Mm.
Tobi Oluwadare (54:50)
That sounds
Manny (54:52)
No, yeah,
like I said, I I need, I don't know. I'm not going to be playing it. yes, I was wrong. yes, you're correct. Like, like, yes. yes. Like bro, come on.
Tobi Oluwadare (54:55)
Hmm.
Ini Olorunnishola (54:59)
Yeah
Paul O (55:00)
Hehehehehe ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (55:05)
Yeah, yeah, obviously just like with every technology.
Manny (55:05)
Buh.
Paul O (55:07)
But, I don't know, I'm torn.
Ini Olorunnishola (55:09)
Sir Gon?
Tobi Oluwadare (55:10)
Don't tell yourself then.
Paul O (55:11)
I was
Manny (55:11)
⁓
Paul O (55:11)
gonna
Manny (55:11)
hey.
Paul O (55:12)
say I'm torn because it's like I use it for my everyday life and it works like I enjoy it but it's also is also going to eventually take my job so it's like
Manny (55:22)
I don't think so. What do you use it
Tobi Oluwadare (55:26)
was your job bro.
Paul O (55:30)
like everyday life like if I go to the store and I'm trying to figure out okay my garden for example when I was doing my garden I was trying to figure out what's the best type of potting soil to use plants information all these things before that you have to go talk to someone as a pro that knows that's tried and done different things to let you know that's just an example I just take a picture and like
Manny (55:48)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (55:51)
So in this case, that's AI for general knowledge, so search. I mean.
Manny (55:55)
yeah it easy for
Paul O (55:55)
Yes, yes as i'm
Manny (55:57)
work like with your job
Tobi Oluwadare (55:59)
Are you having conversations
with AI?
Paul O (56:01)
For work For work that's a different conversation. I'm not allowed to use AI for work. So I don't use AI at work at all. It's forbidden It's forbidden. No, it's forbidden. don't privacy privacy rules. I don't I don't touch it at all. ⁓ I can't put AI on my laptop at all. I can't
Manny (56:02)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (56:04)
He does, don't let his employer know.
Manny (56:11)
What do you mean by that? I don't see him through the football. Okay, that was... okay.
So can ask you like questions about general knowledge like tax.
Exactly. That's why like I am allowed to be here at work and
Ini Olorunnishola (56:25)
you
Manny (56:29)
I use AI to reply to people and like I I thought I fed it information I thought I was training it right but put a question in it didn't give you wrong answer I'll just copy I'll just copy whatever answer and give it to person and the person will be like oh I don't think this is how it works and I'll be like I'll just carry the person's response and put it back in the AI to reply to that again. You're not the person you're sorry for giving wrong answers. I'm not doing that shit like
Tobi Oluwadare (56:47)
What's talking about there?
Ini Olorunnishola (56:47)
You
Hahaha!
Manny (56:54)
That's why I use AI for
work. AI has given me a lot of fraud, bichance, and I've given it people. So, I don't know.
Paul O (57:01)
I love people's jobs are gonna be gone. Gone, even,
Ini Olorunnishola (57:02)
Yeah, obviously it depends on like I only
only use like top top models and like I use it What
Tobi Oluwadare (57:08)
Mm-mm. ⁓
Paul O (57:09)
⁓ sku sku!
Manny (57:10)
Right. like,
bro, like, for Chaudry P.T., right?
Tobi Oluwadare (57:12)
of the boy with the viral AI.
Paul O (57:13)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (57:13)
Like,
No, I in my opinion like GPT-5 like right now is like the best and I'm not even speaking as someone that Like I'm not one of those guys that like try every new AI tool and model out there like I tried Claude and all these other ones and like all the different models that are in those things but like once I found that like Open AI tools in general work for my use case. I don't really shop around but then I try to like keep up with like
Manny (57:28)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (57:46)
how things are changing just because of work and the AI landscape is general to know how the inner workings of it so it's kind of interesting and just like every technology it sounds like magic
Manny (57:48)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (58:04)
Makes sense, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (58:05)
But it's not magic. To me, feel like the advantage, the huge advantage that AI has come to change just like when the internet came for human beings is like qualitative data. Like when you say qualitative data, like you know how they say different things, quantitative and qualitative? Like quantitative is like counting, one, two, three, fours, like
Manny (58:23)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (58:28)
All that stuff, we use Excel for, we use numbers, we have multiplication, like accounting, right? Accounting, all that stuff. But AI, when it comes to language, words, instead of like count hundred numbers, can you tell me, in reading these hundred sentences, how many are happy or how many are sad? We never had that power before as human beings, like never.
Paul O (58:34)
Yeah.
Hmm.
Tobi Oluwadare (58:53)
Yeah.
Manny (58:53)
you
Paul O (58:54)
Mm-hmm.
Manny (58:57)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (58:58)
tools that could analyze like you know qualitative data this easily and I feel like that's huge because that's what I now applies doesn't now goes into all these AI applications where it's like you are feeding it all this data and it's making sense to you know to your response and I think that's huge that that part is not going away anytime soon
Paul O (59:21)
We are.
Manny (59:22)
For sure, for sure,
Tobi Oluwadare (59:23)
don't know if I should have.
Manny (59:23)
for
sure.
Ini Olorunnishola (59:24)
⁓ yeah, so I think it's a new it's a new landscape. There's more ways to make money like this Embrace ai but yeah, it might reduce it might reduce human labor for sure
Paul O (59:27)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah some jobs are already gone
Tobi Oluwadare (59:35)
I take you might take some job
Paul O (59:39)
I've gone already just evil with the customer service for example, right those chat spots. Yeah
Tobi Oluwadare (59:39)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (59:41)
Light.
Tobi Oluwadare (59:42)
You can't do chat no more, right? Yeah, can't do chat
no more.
Manny (59:45)
Thank
Ini Olorunnishola (59:45)
like
for sure like some jobs like Microsoft released a paper about like top like top I think is like 40 jobs that AI might take and yeah it's scary times but exciting times I am actually I'm a technologist but I am as freaked out as I am excited
Manny (59:56)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:00:06)
That makes sense, yeah.
Paul O (1:00:08)
The
part of the part of the freaking out part for me is when it comes to information because I like I deal with information about what's going on So it's like how do you know what is real and what is fake even videos? How do you know? What is a real video of someone doing something nasty? and
Tobi Oluwadare (1:00:25)
don't know, like
what?
Ini Olorunnishola (1:00:26)
Yeah Yeah, like the distortion is the distortion is a horrible part of it Like not knowing what was human generated or AI generated like you know with music AI generated music now like some people have like favorite tracks and they have no idea that it was AI generated
Paul O (1:00:26)
your user imagination.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:00:29)
I'm not using that though, hey.
That's scary.
Manny (1:00:44)
and
Ini Olorunnishola (1:00:51)
Like you said the images and videos we see you don't know if anything is real anymore I know what's going to be even scarier Once like models start doing ads like do you remember this this new season of black mirror?
Like the latest one, there was anyways, there was one episode in that thing where like, you know, the babe, they replaced something in her brain because she had brain cancer or something. So like they did some tech. So imagine this now, every time you ask, to be something, it has to tell you something back. Imagine in two, three years where people are paying.
Paul O (1:01:12)
yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Manny (1:01:20)
she was top man.
Paul O (1:01:21)
on increasing the price increasing the price increasing the price for the monthly subscription yeah
Ini Olorunnishola (1:01:34)
for the response to be their content. So open AI would be, AI tells you something and you believe it, right? So.
Paul O (1:01:38)
that's true
Tobi Oluwadare (1:01:43)
True, true.
Manny (1:01:44)
Can I, there's one caveat
Paul O (1:01:45)
That is also freaky too
Manny (1:01:45)
though. There's one caveat though. Like for me, it's like WWE. That's my experience with AI. It's like, I watched you, I'm a fan of you, but once I realized that you were fake and it wasn't all real, I had to not start dealing with you like we're not all real, right? So it's like, AI gives me wrong answer, but I'm like.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:02:01)
They think those problems
Tobi Oluwadare (1:02:02)
It doesn't
take it away though, people still enjoy it regardless right?
Manny (1:02:06)
Exactly. So what he enjoyed on that different perspective, like your perspective changes, right?
Ini Olorunnishola (1:02:07)
Yeah.
Honestly, these problems you are describing right now happen for lower tier models. That's one. And also, there is a huge limitation with AI right now, which is the context. Context is everything with AI, meaning you give it this much information. Maintaining this context has proven difficult for these models.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:02:11)
Yeah
Ini Olorunnishola (1:02:36)
They tend to go off the rail which just means that some of that context is lost Right, so it's in human terms. It's almost like the AI forgets and when the AI forgets That's when it says rubbish, right or if it does not know
Tobi Oluwadare (1:02:51)
He knows too much at that
point.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:02:54)
Exactly, it sometimes knows too much where it's like, you know, there's too much context context is full and then it lets go of some things that you told you before there's also the case where He actually never was trained on this information that you're asking it. So it never knew right It just vied so as long as you understand the limitations AI can be wrong It's like every other thing
Manny (1:03:09)
Thank
Tobi Oluwadare (1:03:10)
So, bye, guys.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:03:20)
You just have to be skillful with it and like Manny said that skill is more like Understanding the limitations and avoiding those like pitfalls and the only ways you can avoid is like honestly just use a top tier model Like that's the only advice I can give people right now. It's like I cannot stand that hallucination shit. There's no
Paul O (1:03:30)
Yeah.
and
Manny (1:03:39)
I use things I use
chargé pretty pro our work, right? So I think I'm to want to try is that context building, right? Like maybe give up. Well, I don't know. Maybe I'll just like generate a long as prompt for it. So like, know, that's the context, right?
Ini Olorunnishola (1:03:43)
Yeah.
Paul O (1:03:44)
Must be nice.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:03:51)
So
once you start thinking like that, then now you are getting into the advanced AI user realm, which is where all these AI builders are. People that are making AI apps right now, what they're doing is like they're trying to think how can we make sure that like for every time you interact with this model, it has the right context.
Manny (1:04:13)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:04:14)
every
time like every time every time you're interacting with this model it has the right context that's when you start getting into all this hooking up a model to a database all that's yeah yeah but but that's that's that's that's why i stopped right that's the general like that's where we are that's where we are right now as like a world in here yeah
Manny (1:04:25)
Thanks, Api and Tegrishan. Okay, let's...
Tobi Oluwadare (1:04:27)
Yeah, you're getting too technical now, You losing me right now.
Paul O (1:04:28)
⁓ So at least
we can say art is safe right? Art is more specific to like... No, let me land bro. Let me land Like when it comes to drawing
Tobi Oluwadare (1:04:44)
Art's not safe bro, what you mean?
Manny (1:04:47)
think it is. I think it is.
Paul O (1:04:52)
Not music arts like drawing and stuff, right? Because I think Winnipeg has something every September I think it's like an art outdoor art stuff or Whatever it's called. I think I think it's called New Blanche. Yeah. Oh my god was experience with Louis I didn't go there. I went for Yeah I didn't go because there is why this is what was expressed for me is because I went I went fun for a symphony and it was beside
Manny (1:05:03)
to be blush.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:05:04)
New launch, yeah.
I say worst experience but we had our brother dead though. Come on.
Fall is
Delivered Bro
Paul O (1:05:22)
It was beside the exchange rate... Sorry, what?
Manny (1:05:23)
prestigious prestigious
for only the for maritobas wealthy and no wealthy and elites only the financial industry the insurance industry the top heads of industry you know ⁓ follow before you know you
Tobi Oluwadare (1:05:29)
⁓ Only the elite.
Paul O (1:05:36)
This guy.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:05:39)
say it was symphony.
Paul O (1:05:41)
Can I continue please? Thank you.
After the symphony was over, the traffic took us over an hour just to go out from downtown. It would take me five minutes and it was just like, why is there so many people here not knowing it was the festival that was going on?
Ini Olorunnishola (1:05:45)
Mm-hmm.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:05:55)
Yeah, there's a lot of people out there.
Paul O (1:06:03)
So I think people are still coming out people still believe in yeah, mania. I can see your face We have things going on in Winnipeg. Winnipeg is not a dead city. Get the fuck out of here
Manny (1:06:11)
I shocked.
Nah, nah bro, I love an effect, that's not your own stuff, just what I
Paul O (1:06:16)
So we can at least say that art, because the drawing and stuff is kind of safe. And even people throwing parties, right? Because we still need people to show up for parties.
Manny (1:06:28)
Exactly, I'll
switch on interactions.
Paul O (1:06:30)
So I can also take that and DJs will still be good though
Ini Olorunnishola (1:06:30)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:06:32)
AI can make DJ mix,
come on, come on, I lie. I lie.
Manny (1:06:35)
But he has to beat that DJ
Paul O (1:06:36)
⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (1:06:36)
yeah man.
Manny (1:06:38)
like He has to be physically assaulted in point and in point It's actually about how fun bro
Ini Olorunnishola (1:06:45)
No, of course like sports already has like AI DJ like this is definitely a thing like DJing is something that AI can do
Paul O (1:06:49)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:06:55)
Yeah, just some mushing up songs.
Paul O (1:06:55)
Yeah, but when
I'm talking about that more of the personality the DJ personality, right? Because we're seeing a lot of stuff going on It reminds me of your stuff the apartment 300 party that you guys are doing anyways, if you haven't bought tickets, please go ahead and buy tickets apartment 300
Manny (1:07:00)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:01)
Yeah.
This is
Tobi Oluwadare (1:07:09)
Yeah, he was the website.
Manny (1:07:11)
Yes,
sir.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:12)
a sponsored ad. Yeah, it's apt300.com.
Manny (1:07:14)
Now, shameless plug-in, shameless hype. Apartment 300.
Paul O (1:07:16)
No, it's F.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:07:24)
Alright, see you later, see you
Paul O (1:07:26)
And
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:26)
APG
Paul O (1:07:26)
when is the date?
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:27)
300 ⁓ Our next event is on the 22nd and then we have another one in December December 28th, just before Christmas
Manny (1:07:27)
What did he say to you?
Damn.
Paul O (1:07:36)
sweet.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:07:36)
It must be no Shalom,
Manny (1:07:37)
That's what the cell phone back. God damn.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:07:38)
huh? It's like 22nd, 22nd.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:41)
Yo, it's not
Paul O (1:07:41)
So, well...
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:42)
even about being nonchalant, promoting an event is absolutely hell. I don't like it, it's crazy, it's not fun. Promoting anything in general is...
Manny (1:07:50)
Thank you, bro. Thank
Tobi Oluwadare (1:07:51)
Any time now.
Manny (1:07:52)
you. Like you think like what's anything is hard, bro, but you have to you know, let's get our word out
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:55)
It's hard but
Paul O (1:07:56)
Yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:07:56)
you
just have to because this world man everybody just has so much shit going on and Honestly, if you don't get yourself in front of people man, they're not gonna think about you ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (1:08:02)
Yeah.
Manny (1:08:06)
Fox. Fox.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:08:06)
That's true.
Paul O (1:08:09)
So what In is trying to say that he loves doing this guys don't listen to him about promoting his heart He loves doing this buy a ticket, please if you haven't gotten your tickets September 22nd, right? That's what you said Sorry November 1 November. Sorry Yo, this guy is gone November 22nd, if you haven't bought your tickets, please come and support I went for the they had a denim show I went for it was actually sick
Manny (1:08:15)
Yeah.
box.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:08:21)
Yeah, 22nd November. ⁓
Tobi Oluwadare (1:08:21)
November Broski, November.
Manny (1:08:23)
Brother,
brother, brother, I still...
deal.
Paul O (1:08:36)
There was a section where you could paint, so that was fun.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:08:40)
Yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:08:40)
That's
Manny (1:08:40)
Wow, that was nice. Merging arts and
Tobi Oluwadare (1:08:40)
nice, that's nice. Yeah, sure, this is a boy, yeah.
Manny (1:08:43)
dance.
Paul O (1:08:44)
rights and and drinks
Ini Olorunnishola (1:08:45)
Yeah, I know, I probably make 200.
Manny (1:08:46)
Wait
wait wait what happened bro bro wait before we I think we are speeding up please like Amy like you guys next time we come back here we are going to expose each other I swear down like Amy posted a post or I mean I said posted a about somewhere like bougie what happened to that bougie niacob whatever please like can you think about it
Paul O (1:09:00)
Hahaha!
Tobi Oluwadare (1:09:04)
I fired,
I got fired alright
Ini Olorunnishola (1:09:07)
Bro, Winnipeg man, like they've been burning down places yo.
Manny (1:09:09)
Hmm suspicious. That's
Paul O (1:09:12)
Insurance
Manny (1:09:13)
because
Paul O (1:09:13)
comp.
Manny (1:09:13)
like I asked for my teeth, what my teeth like my teeth were at brother like that is that I insurance fraud like with betting on that
Ini Olorunnishola (1:09:17)
You
Tobi Oluwadare (1:09:18)
What's it seem for him?
Paul O (1:09:21)
Yeah,
Ini Olorunnishola (1:09:21)
I
Paul O (1:09:21)
yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:09:22)
know people are saying that it's insurance fraud but it's happened to like four different organizations. Yeah, if it was like insurance fraud, obviously there's some that's happened in Winnipeg, everybody was sure that it was insurance fraud. But this one actually feels like organized crime.
Manny (1:09:28)
Location is in exchange district downtown
Tobi Oluwadare (1:09:31)
Yeah, it's awesome
Paul O (1:09:39)
Hahaha
Ayo!
Manny (1:09:46)
Chances
are, chances are. Because Johnny G's got a little too, right? I mean, yeah.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:09:51)
Johnny J's, like,
Commonwealth, EC, Nalbouji, Nalbouji. It's like, it sounds to me like a gang. ⁓
Manny (1:09:55)
Yeah
Tobi Oluwadare (1:09:56)
They're coming for everybody
Manny (1:09:59)
You're coming for every dance-oriented...
Are
they all in the underground life or when you play like the mafia? Is this street porn? They don't have protection or is there a family that is telling them, let us protect you for $20 a month?
Tobi Oluwadare (1:10:12)
We ain't going no more over here though.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:10:12)
Some is some gang
Paul O (1:10:17)
Say family ⁓
Ini Olorunnishola (1:10:19)
It's some
gang shit. It's definitely some gang shit.
Manny (1:10:22)
That's
scary man. But yeah man, shout out to you. But we're in a secure place now though, at least for the... Nice.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:10:27)
Yeah, yeah, we got another venue. Yeah,
so it goes
Manny (1:10:31)
Yeah, man, they're gonna go great. They're gonna get lit. Y'all show up, pull up, have fun. You know, don't do like, do crazy shit, you feel me? Like, let it be lit, man. Do what I'll do and everything bad. Dude, they will go crazy, because I won't do shit. I'm not gonna be my career. So y'all should watch my show out.
Paul O (1:10:32)
So if...
Ini Olorunnishola (1:10:40)
Don't do what money won't do.
Paul O (1:10:50)
You know your Toronto Crib now that you go get stick for $30 You'll be oppressing us like it's a stick for $30 get out
Manny (1:10:52)
Brother, brother, niggas are like, we're fighting bro, we're fighting for our lives here bro, what are you talking about? There's no oppression bro, this city is competitive bro,
Ini Olorunnishola (1:10:54)
I'm gonna...
Manny (1:11:01)
you just go out there and see Lamborghinis like, brother why, god why, where's my own...
Ini Olorunnishola (1:11:05)
You
Tobi Oluwadare (1:11:06)
Scam though you could join them though join the f-team join the f-team
Paul O (1:11:08)
All right, if you can't beat them, join them
Manny (1:11:08)
Not because it's
Nah nah nah,
I'll pray for them. I'll pray for them. I'll pray with them. No, I do not do man.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:11:12)
You're joined F-Team.
Paul O (1:11:16)
I
mean, mean prayer works, I guess
Manny (1:11:19)
Wow, wow.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:11:21)
Bro, don't let your mother watch this
Paul O (1:11:23)
Hahaha!
Manny (1:11:23)
2011 Paul is shaking his head at you bro. is like, bro, god damn.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:11:29)
So how do we get here?
Paul O (1:11:33)
But guys please show up Support our saxo is gonna also is being shy right now is one of the DJs him and his is a family business so
Manny (1:11:42)
A family business man,
for real. For real. For real man. Nobody can hear you, so it's like, is that your name is suspicious or? I'm gonna ask her. Yeah, yeah.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:11:43)
Family team, family team.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:11:47)
you
Paul O (1:11:49)
Yeah.
Yep.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:11:52)
shit, can you hear me now? Can you guys hear me?
Was that the first time my internet acted up?
Manny (1:11:57)
Yeah, now this has become a Skype call you guys. It's
Tobi Oluwadare (1:11:59)
First time we caught you, first
Ini Olorunnishola (1:12:01)
I was saying that man like I eventually I want to like have like an Afro Afro nation type like skill event but that's one day one day we work hard to get there like shout out to like yeah shout out to smith man shout out to that guy man like Afro nation like they've been through a lot like
Paul O (1:12:02)
I mean, Manny can't speak now. Go on, sorry.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:12:12)
Like festival type stuff, or...
You guys thought some way.
Paul O (1:12:18)
Mm-hmm
Manny (1:12:19)
where it's possible, possible.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:12:27)
And they're having one that's finishing today in DR. Yeah, it was this weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Paul O (1:12:31)
skrr skrr.
Manny (1:12:32)
I don't
Tobi Oluwadare (1:12:32)
Dear.
Manny (1:12:32)
even want see non-Afro-Nationals.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:12:37)
You guys went at the wrong time.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:12:38)
I thought people were not going to go because of hurricane but I guess JR was fine
Paul O (1:12:39)
this guy.
Tobi Oluwadare (1:12:45)
They already bought tickets man
Paul O (1:12:47)
Yeah down the line yo it is what it is Inshallah
Ini Olorunnishola (1:12:47)
You
I was actually scared for them
man, was scared for the organizers I'm like fuck like hurricane from where like how do you like? Ira pulled out she was supposed to be the headliner she pulled out again from their show but
Tobi Oluwadare (1:12:57)
That would be scary,
Manny (1:13:05)
I am like bro nobody's trying
to see how it came because I was on blacks. It probably gets in some place to have
Paul O (1:13:09)
Rates, rates.
Ini Olorunnishola (1:13:10)
Nah, nah, don't even, I, no, she
Tobi Oluwadare (1:13:10)
Hey, yo!
Ini Olorunnishola (1:13:12)
pulled out before the hurricane, man. Nah, she pulled out before hurricane.
Paul O (1:13:12)
save yourself ⁓
so she just waited and used her canister that that's an excuse sorry weather my bad
Ini Olorunnishola (1:13:18)
I'm sure her team
are thinking that too if they had just waited one week before the show.
Paul O (1:13:26)
Imagine oh sorry my bad. I mean I don't have insurance so sorry Anyways, I think you guys for listening to us. It's been a while. We will try and be more consistent moving forward This is the three Wise podcast