How Did Chris Get Here?

The first question Chris asks every suspect is "How did we get here?" In this episode, Chris answers her own signature question beginning with the moment she knew she wanted to be a cop.  She retraces her path in law enforcement culminating in her illustrious career as a lead homicide detective with one of - if not THE - highest solve rates in the world.  In nine years, Chris solved all but one murder case; over 400 cases. Sit back and enjoy her journey.

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People just want to know what it's like to be me. How does it feel to see a dead body? Tell a family their loved one has been murdered. Talk to a rape victim, catch a killer and get them to confess hold on tight my friends. Get ready for the journey and welcome to murder with mannina. Welcome to another edition of murder with Medina. We are still in Nashville and we went line dancing last night Now mind you, I don't do that. Coleen is like a pro. I am not I can do the Electric Slide though. Which I busted out you did. We wrote this song right away. Yeah, country western bar. Listening to this fantastic singer up and coming. What was your name? Haley Mae Campbell. Haley Mae Campbell. I'm gonna give a shout out to her. Yeah, she crime. But we were doing line dancing. And it was super fun. And calling got hit on by a college student. But that might be another episode. I was all for it. It's not going to be an episode. I know. Totally fun and cool. But so we're still having a great time in Nashville. Hope everybody is well. Another question I get asked is why did you want to be a police officer? And that is an interesting question, right? Because I didn't even have any law enforcement, my family. None. That's right, right. Nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody. My sister was like, complete opposite of me. And she was in TV and didn't news and just girly. And I'm not any of that. But I can tell you and I remember it like it was yesterday how it started for me. So I am probably nine, nine years old, right? You're just dumb. Got although my sister was at camp, it's the middle of the night during the summer. And I was asleep in my bed. When a crashing sound of a window. I heard a crashing sound of a window and I jolted up out of bed. And what's so crazy, is it didn't scare me. I just wanted to know what was going on. So jolted up out of bed at nine because I heard this huge window crashing. And I was on my feet instantly. I'm running to my door. And I'm not like I said I'm not scared. I am freaking pumped. But by the time I reached my door, my dad quickly opened up his door and he's in his undies. And he looks at me and he points at me and he says get back to your room. And he goes running down the hallway. Now we had this long hallway which it looked really young as a child, but I visited the house not that long ago. And I'm like, oh my god, the hallway is so short. But anyways, long haul window looks so different, right kids perspective. So my dad is literally running down in his tighty whities. And he's like, stay there and I'm running right behind him to find out what is going on. So he's sprinting down the hallway, I completely follow him our hallway goes straight into the living room. And then you have to kind of turn right and you hit the front door. Alright, so I follow him. And our front door has like four little baby windows that kind of outline the door on each side. So my dad goes running into the front door, and there's this arm that's gone through one of the lower windows. Oh, right. That was cool as hell. There's an arm and I can see it kind of wiggling around and my dad is like grabbing the arm. Now. It's not like he can pull anybody through because the windows, like all you could really fit is like an arm through the window. So he's grabbing this young kid, and the kid is screaming and my dad is screaming. And at one point, he opens up the front door and he drags this kid in and it's a kid. And there's like blood and unlike water, and I hear him screaming them, get back to your room. And I'm like no, and I don't leave and he's kind of he's not really tackling this kid. But he's and I can tell he's scared. And this is the funnest thing that's ever happened to me in my nine years. So and then my mom comes running down, I hear my dad tell my mom to call 911 And all I remember is like the kid is screaming their blood. And I'm looking at my first crime scene. Like I know that this is a crime scene. And I'm in my little 90 and I had a Wonder Woman night gown course Of course I did. I'd wonder woman wallpaper in my room. I love it right I lo all of this is happening right? And finally it kind of calms down a little bit and the police come and now my dad mind you is told me four or five times by now to go back to my room. And my mom is I can remember my mom kind of just being scared and my dad kind of breathing hard and being scared and I'm seeing this bloody arm. But I see the kids face. At one point he's on the ground My dad's kind of have an ace holding them down a little bit like I think he's on his knee. Just remember seeing a lot of blood. But I remember seeing this kid look up at my dad. And as scared as my dad appeared, and my mom appeared, he looked more scared. And I was not frightened. I'm not kidding you. I was not frightened anywhere. It just exists. I am, like, I am like, I think in your element. Yes, I am nine years old. And I think I got the first taste of adrenaline, right and just call me an addict. I just became an addict in that moment. So police arrive. Okay. And I can hear him, lights and sirens are coming. Right, you can hear the sirens before you see the lights. And at one point in time, I think the only light that had been turned on in the house was still just light by the front door. So as the sirens are coming closer, the police cars are coming closer. And all of a sudden, the red and blue lights are illuminating the living room. So they're illuminating the living room and look at my dad isn't as Whitey unease. He's holding down the sky, there's blood all over the front area. My mom's sitting there with like a towel. And the red and blue lights are just going. And then the officers I look out the window and the officers start to walk toward the front door. And my dad's kind of motion them and my dad looked at me and told me again, get your get your ass back to your room. Now, mind you, I knew I was gonna get in trouble. But and you know, as a kid, there's a certain level, like a certain tone where you know, okay, I'm gonna fuck with this, I'm gonna go back to my room. So I did. And I got that tone. So I left the crime scene. And I go back to my room. And it's probably like, it's down the hallway, right. And I'm looking out the window. Now the blue and red lights are illuminating. Through my room, right, and I don't turn my light on. And I'm trying to hear what is happening, like what is going on. And I can't make out it a lot. And I do do that little I'm gonna go down the hallway halfway to see if I then my mom caught me it was this big thing. But I'm back in my room. And then I see a car pull up and I see a woman get out of the car. And then all of a sudden I see an ambulance. And I see the woman and then this kid and this kid is probably 15 or 16. All right. And I see the mom kind of walking him along with the officers to the ambulance. And they're working on him. And then he gets out of the ambulance and the ambulance leaves so that he doesn't leave in the ambulance. And then there's some talking, and I'm like glued like my face is like glued the window, I've opened up the window, like I am just trying to get all of this and all of a sudden, the cops leave. And then the boy goes home with this woman. And what had happened was he was in a car. So he was 15 or 16 at the time. And I really do remember seeing the whites of his eyes when he looked up at my dad. And I felt bad for him because he was scared. I wasn't scared. Like I thought this was the coolest thing in the world. But I do remember that. And so what had happened was and then of course, after everything comes down, right? I'm like standing in my doorway. My parents clean up the area or whatever. And they go back to bed and my dad's like, I'll tell you in the morning, I'm like, what? That's not gonna work. So the only good thing was I didn't have school because it was in the middle of seven. I can't. I kept remembering oh my god, I'm so like, I'm glad my sister wasn't here because I think she would have been really scared. You know, but they're like, I'll tell you what happened in the morning. And I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me? So I just remember laying in bed, and I'm looking up at the wall. You know, trying to sleep and I'm like, what happened? Like, what? Why? What happened? I needed to know what happened. Right there. Right? There was a defining moment of how I did my professional law enforcement career. I needed to know the story behind the story. I had a great story to tell my friend somebody busted in her house. arm was coming through, there's blood. But why was he there? Right. And so it was a defining moment. And I didn't know it then Right. But I needed to know. So the next day I learned that he had been in a car with some other kids. And supposedly, they said that they were going to take him down to Fall Creek and drown him. Now Fall Creek I'm very familiar with because it's right by our home Poor kid. And I used to play in that creek. And he literally jumped from a moving car ran to our house for help. And of course now we don't know that right? And it was the middle of the night, the middle of the night. So my dad is thinking he's breaking into our home course. And this kid is literally running, trying to save his life trying to save his life. And I'm like, wow, like wow, like that's the story right? Like we're the end result but what happened? up into those kids. I don't know that they I don't I don't know that they ever were caught. I don't know that I like I don't really remember I remember that night vividly. But I don't remember, you know, but my dad said that mom came and picked them up, because my dad said he wasn't going to file charges once he had learned kind of what the kids said. And I remember my dad saying that he believed them. Because how would he have made up something like that so quickly? Like, you know what I mean? Like it was made sense. It made sense, right? And so in that you didn't press charge. And also you saw how scared the kid was scared and bad for him. I felt bad for him. So mom came and got him and there was an agreement that son would pay for our broken window, you know, for not filing charges. So that was the first like I was, that was my first love. I was happy evaded from that moment on, and I was a police officer, every Halloween since then, like I that was my first love. I was in love with whatever just happened that night. Okay, so then fast forward a few years. And our house was the Neighborhood House where everybody we caught the bus at our house. So our friends would come to our driveway. Well, one morning, I'm getting ready for school. And I think I'm in like, seventh grade. Like, what? How old are you in seventh grade, you're just dumb. But whatever. I think about 14/7 grade and I'm I'm walking out to go to school and someone had stolen the tires off my dad's car. And they had taken the railroad tiles. My dad had railroad ties in the back of the house, and they propped open or they propped up the car. Wow. So all of the the car was propped up at the tires. So I go back running in and I'm like, Dad, somebody stole your tires, right? And I'm all excited. And my dad's like, rice, Lilly, and my dad comes down. He's like, bullshit, and blah, blah, blah. And so I remember thinking, wow, they went around to the back of the house to get the railroad ties. I go back there and see if I can find any evidence. So this is all before school. So bus coming in five minutes from now I run back there. And I'm looking for evidence. And I'm thinking, Could I get a fingerprint or fingerprint on the railroad tile? Is there anything, and I am trying to figure out this case. So all day at school, I'm writing down in the notebook that I woke up. And then at like, 710, I walked outside, and you know, and I'm drawing a picture of the scene, like the car propped up on the railroad time, like I'm doing this entire investigation at school, and I get back home. And I'm like, I think I got it figured out. Right? Like, and I'm in I'm talking to my parents, and of course, my dad's just still shitty about it. And he's like, No, it's the kids down the street. And I'm like, I don't know, because this was a pretty good operation. Nobody heard it. Like, and there hasn't been more than one had to be more than one. Right? And so we're optimizer heavy. Exactly. The based on strong. Yeah. So that is literally how all of that. And so those two incidents, really, at the end of the day, were like, that was it for me. And so I'm 14, nine and 14 and I knew that that was the road that I was gonna go down. Right. And so you fast forward, I go study criminal justice. And then I get hired in a small town north of in the Indianapolis like three hours, Bremen, Indiana, smallest town. There's like 1000 people that live there. And they hire me. And there's 10 people on the police department. That was not where I wanted to be. But I was told, apply everywhere and get picked up somewhere. Doesn't matter. Like I wanted to be in Indianapolis, but start somewhere. So Bremen hires me, okay. I'm the first female hired in the town and the county ever. And it is like Barney Fife, and no joke. Like I walked it. This is no joke. I saw the application in a paper in a newspaper people. Like there were newspapers. And I go to the town. And it's about 20 minutes from where I was working my first real job, which was at a maximum security place for kids that were juveniles. And I go, and I'll never forget this, I pull in it is Barney five, I'm not freaking kidding. And there's a lady at the front desk. And she she's missing some teeth. And I said, Hey, I'm here to get an application. And she's like, for what? And I said for the police officer, they were hiring one, like it said, hiring a police officer. And I said, I want to get application to apply for the police department. And she goes, Well, we don't have any females on this police department. And I said, Well, maybe it's time for one. So I get the application. And I go through the interview and it's like the chief who I swear it had been at and like his gun was real low it looked exactly I'm not kidding in the in the police station look like it was like two rooms in the dispatch and the police station were the same building. But I get the job in the chief of police was his thinking was well, she can have she can help with all the rapes. Nobody get fucking raped in Bremen Town of 1000 right and there were still a bar there. There were still a bar in Bremen, Indiana, where women were not allowed to sit at the bar right in the middle of town. Wow. Right. So I got hired there. Wow, I have no experience. I have nothing and they literally like so when you get hired. You go to the police academy, but you have to go like the NEXT Academy. So I still had like a month before. I would go and get officially trained to be the police. They gave me a uniform. They gave me a gun. I started riding around with people. I never held a gun before. I never shot a gun before. They literally gave me this shit. They were so desperate that they I worked the late shift before I had been trained to be a police officer when nothing happened. And as I got more into it or whatever, why did they need another police officer when a small town budget for 10 police officers Okay, so I had a month where I'm running around being the police not knowing anything I'm doing. And I would run radar on Amish buggies because it was Amish country up there. And it was so freakin boring. That and they the horses are fast. Like and they would come through town. They're thoroughbreds. They'd come through town and I would run just to see kind of how but we had there was a Pizza Hut that was just outside of Bremen, but it was kind of in our and Amish people go there and, and park their buggies and go into the freakin Pizza Hut and get drunk. Hey, fame, sirens in the background. And we have sirens in the background. Fantastic. So like it was just such a weird, crazy like bizarre, like, what is this world that I'm in? Right? And I was only there for a year? Were you familiar with Amish culture? You didn't know anything? A little bit? What did you learn about it when you want I know a little bit because my best friend from college lived in that area. But she wasn't Amish. But she lived in that. And Julie, you met her. She lives in that area. So I had a little bit familiar when I go home with her on the weekends or something. Like we would see buggies and shit. And I'm like, What? What is that like? And she would tell me a lie. But I didn't know a lot about him. And they're really nice people, hard workers great furniture. They build great furniture. But they like to drink beer. It's funny. So beer or do they drink? I think it's just beer, because that's all Pizza Hut swing. Okay, sir. But what would be tragic is they would get hit a lot because there was a main interstate that ran outside of Bremen. And they would get hit cars would run into them, you know, and kill them or kill the horse or both and, and things of that effect. So that whole like, weird journey of like, this was weird. And I was the only female and I lived there wasn't any apartment complexes in this town. So I had to live on top of a lawyer's office and the kitchen slanted. Me Like seriously, and I could walk to work. Like everything was right there. And I'm not used to a small town. My my high school had more people that lived in the town. Oh my god. This was a world in the in the in the politics and the everybody knows everybody and like I would write tickets. I didn't know anybody. So people were speeding through town. I would write tickets, but then I would get a call from the chief like this my cousin or that's my best friend. He throw that ticket away. And I'm like, oh, so then I got hired with with Indianapolis. I'd only been in Bremen for a year but while I was in Bremen, there's a lot of beautiful lakes around there. And that's when I saw my first dead body and it was a baby. It was a child. Oh, had drowned. And I responded. And they were pulling the child out and they were still doing CPR and it was thrown in the ambulance and gone to the hospital and later died. So that was the forehead of the baby and up in the water fallen off the boat. And I don't know why the hell there wasn't a lifejacket but like it was a toddler. Like it was a toddler. But anyway, so that was my first one and I remember being a that was four I just remember seeing the parents in the ER and like so that was my kind of my first taste and and unfortunately that was the most exciting for lack of better word that had happened that had been the biggest highlight and that was the highlight and then I get hired down in Indianapolis and what's crazy is so they they took Indianapolis took a class of what they call lateral police officers so they were only hiring people that had prior police experience. Okay, I didn't frickin have prior police experience. running radar and Amish people is not prior police depart is not right. So I was like, oh shit, well, okay, I'll just play along because I got hired right. And I remember I went through another account had me. So I'd gone through to Academy I could do some serious push ups by that time. But wait, can you back up a second? Why did you run radar on on Thursday? Anything else to do wait for speeding just because it was anything else to do? I just wanted to see how fast he could go. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Yeah. All right. So I mean, they didn't exceed the speed limit. That's what I'm getting to. Okay. And then I wouldn't pull over an Amish person that was scared. I mean, that was a horse. That would be weird, like you pull over. And why is that cop got that buggy pulled over. Like, that's weird. I'm in pursuit. I can get the Clydesdale. It's fires fast. But now they're higher in Indianapolis. And I go through the training there. And we are going through kind of an a shorter FTO process, which is a field training officer. Right? We were going through a shorter version, because they think we all have prior police experience. And I just wanted to say that's not true happening right here. So I remember getting the roll call the first night and I had this really tall guy was my FTO any of the white does that to me. FTO is field training officer. So I have to ride with him for several out for several weeks. And he's training me and he's telling me, you know, and showing me stuff and I just remember, walk getting into his car. And this was wintertime. I was hired in November and it was so freakin cold. And I just remember, he never fucking turn the heat on. I was always so fucking cold. But I didn't say anything. Right? I just didn't So, but anyway, I remember him saying, Look, I gotta be honest with you. I know you think this is going to be a cush kinda training thing. Because you think I have prior police up? Please experience don't let me tell you what I did a few things. I ran buggy or I ran you know, right on on Amish buggy and I saw a dead toddler. That's it. And he's like, what? And I'm like, I'm sorry, I just I was there for a year. So that, but he was a great training officer and in the education that I got, as compared to Bremen was night and day, right. I'm in a major metropolitan city. We are running. I'm working the late shift. I mean, it's like oh, person shot or robbery. Oh, this you're getting them fight. All this stuff's happening. Wow. That didn't even scare you. Because that was all new. Right? He is so messed up probably, is that I never got scared. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, yeah, we're going to a robbery let's go or Yeah, you know, I get to clear this house or yeah, let's go see a person shot and let's go do this. Let's get to the back. Like, I never got scared that so even if you went into a house and you knew, for instance, the suspects or the attackers or killers were still in a place and you you just did your job, you just go into a zoo. And when you go into a zone because you're like, you're there you can't be scared the people that call the police would scared. Like, you're not going to call for help. And then your help scared. What's that? Right? So look, I'm as scared is you you go first? No, you I called you know, so like, but what's interesting, you know, I would go in there and I deal with the adrenaline. Adrenaline is a drug. And I know my dumb ass is addicted to it. Like I loved it. Like I loved it. And the highs and the lows and all that kind of came with it. But what's interesting is, is you as a rookie are the first three years you're invincible, right? You're like, I'm gonna save the world. I was Wonder Woman, right? I had it on my walls. My night gown was that like, and that's how I thought. But what's interesting is you get as you got more experienced and you got older, you become scared afterwards, you get back into your car, and you're like, fuck, that could have gone really bad. Like it happens after. Right? Okay. And that's where experience. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, she became more experienced or like, oh, shit, you know, or if a colleague got shot and killed, which, you know, there were probably three or four colleagues that were shot and killed in the line of duty during my career. But yeah, so you don't you don't really get scared so that, you know, it's just it's an interesting phenomenon. So yeah, I work the straight. Then I got into investigations and domestic violence. And of course, that's a whole new element of everything, like right on the street, you respond to so many domestic violence disturbances. But again, I'm there quickly, and what am I doing? I'm putting a bandaid on it. I'm trying to make the victim safe. I'm trying to arrest the bad guy, and then I leave, right. And then I go and I deal with another one got into domestic violence, whole new ballgame, right? You're getting in here become emotionally involved in the case, because now you're calling the victim up. I don't want to press charges. I love them. Why? Let's have a conversation about that, you know, and all of the different dynamics of why women stay, you know, like, and I will throw a shout out to Netflix's made to watch that because that is a very, very true and telling story of kind of how it is and that abuse doesn't have to be physical. You know, and actually, it's worse from the victims that I have interviewed. They always said The fit the bruises healed, it was the emotional and the mental of what's going to happen tonight, as opposed to because once he hits here, then you're good for a little bit than the expectation of being hit is over. Right for that for that honeymoon stage. So, there we said it's not it's like, it's the moment that it's after that you've been attacked, or abused by your spouse or loved one boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, that there was also there was calm, because you just went through it, and there'll be a honeymoon. And so, you know, when I watched made on Netflix, it really is a true compelling story of how it is and how the system works. And getting that education as a domestic violence and to open up my eyes, you know, two crazy things so that when I went back to the street, as I ended my career, I treated those a little bit differently, because they you had said the hardest part about starting domestic violence was that you just how long did it take you to figure out why they stayed? You don't want it didn't take very long, because as a domestic violence detective, when I walked into the office, there would be 15 or 20 cases on my desk from the night before that have been assigned to me. And when you start to call the victims, and you start interviewing the victims, it's the same story. And then it just clicks. And what is it I mean, most of the time, it is they've been beat down so so much emotionally, that they feel trapped. They also have been told that, you know, you better not leave because nobody's going to love you anyway, where you're gonna go, the the ability to work there to have any control over their life, as far as even going to get a job has been taken away, their confidence has been taken away, they don't have any power or control over money. They may not even own a car, he has the car, like they just rip you down to shreds, to where you can't you just you buy into it, and you lose all of self confidence in you. And you think, Okay, this is your he's right, I am I am a loser. I am a nobody, nobody is going to love me. You know, and you hear that in every interview that came up every interview that came up, you know, and so it didn't take very long, unfortunately, and just trying to convince these people that there is something better is the amount of self esteem that's been taken from them is crazy. You know, and everyone likes to think, oh, I don't care what people say, that is such a bullshit line is such a bullshit line when you say, I don't care what people think of me, because we all do. And then you absolutely care about what somebody thinks of you. If at one point you love them, right, and most of the time these women went into loving them. They were never beat on the first date. Right? Because it probably wouldn't be a second date. Right? They were traveler probably grossed cases, groomed and trapped, but also in most cases, charmed. Yeah. Isn't that the way it goes? Usually? I mean, a lot of times, yeah. And they're good at it, realizing who they they're, they're real. Didn't the predators really? Yeah. I mean, they're like, are they abusers? They know what they need to do? Absolutely. And they're like dogs, they can sniff fear. They can sniff vulnerability. They can sniff all of that out empathy, and absolutely full of empaths are big victims. Yeah. So, you know, that didn't take me along. And then of course, that experience was great going into homicide, unfortunately. Right? I've got these domestic violence victims, and I never had a victim just once. I got to know them. Because they didn't go through and follow charges, or they didn't go to court, or what did they say and made even what was the it's the so the most in this is the thing, there is no formula to it. Right? Right. Like the seventh time seven, they talked about that and made is the most is the time it takes a woman seven times to decide that they're actually going to leave it on the seventh time. It's clicked, but they're leaving for did okay. Not only is it clicked for them, but it's clicked for their partner. And that's when it becomes the most dangerous for the woman at that point in time when it is clicked for the boyfriend or the husband, that this is the time that they are actually leaving, that's when they kill them. And that is a true statistic. So I knew when I left domestic violence, that I would be seeing my victims again, but I would be seeing them in a different light, they would be dead. And unfortunately they were did you say that to them? I did. But it's like anything else, right? until it clicks. I can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk all you want. You know, and you hope that something that I would say would click but it's like anything else. You've got to go through that you're ready to hear it. Gotta be ready to hear it. They've got to be at that point in there. And I and I like what you tell your students when you're talking about domestic violence when you're teaching them yeah, you always say if he hits you once Yeah, I mean, it's never gonna be you're never gonna get hit once and he's like, Oh my god, I'm sorry. I'll never do that again. That will never happen if if he's at a point where he's gonna hit you once then he's always gonna hit you, and eventually and eventually kill you. I mean, that's just it just doesn't stop. So, you know, that experience, you know, made me a better homicide detective I learned investigations. And then and then homicide, of course, was a was a completely different beast. But I'm telling you that experience of going back to the, you know, the podcast episode when I talked about my first love and my first crime scene, it was always to learn the story behind the story, right of all of my victims, either domestic violence victims or homicide suspects or people you had to interview. That was such a defining moment. And I took that through my whole career, because I wanted to know the story behind the story of everybody. I talked to everybody I talked to, like, even if I pulled you over, and you were, you know, you were drunk, I wanted to know where were ya? What do you do? And why are you drinking the hill, it was like I wanted to go beyond and that helped me right to understand why people do what they do. And it also helped me to stay safer. Because you learn about behaviors and why people do and when is the most dangerous time for me when I'm dealing with you when is the most dangerous type when I'm walking into domestic violence. Domestic violence is the number one domestic violence traffic stops are the two most dangerous runs for police officers. Right traffic stop, you don't know who the hell you're pulling over. And a lot of times, they think you know what they did, and I'm just pulling you over for a frickin taillight. And they may have committed a crime, but they think that I did, right or you walking up to a car in or out gun, I've got one gun on my side, there's four people in the car that can be for guns, and then a domestic violence situation. Right? I'm walking into your home, I'm walking into your castle, I am walking into your emotional turmoil. And it is heated, right? Because at one point, before it was called, we loved each other. And now we hate each other. Right? And that is a dynamic and when you pull up in a police car and in your uniform and in a in a in a position of authority, the bad guy is like Not today. Not going today. I am the authority person today. You know, I'm beating Oh, interesting. And that becomes a very, very I'm the one in control. Yep. It's comes a very dangerous because I walk into your home. That's your castle. I don't know where I know who's behind that door. I don't know how many guns you have. I don't know anything about your home. So like the officer in Indiana in Indianapolis during COVID? The lovely young. Yeah. Can American office. Yeah, he's killed to domestic violence as well. It's like, and they're the two most dangerous. And unfortunately, those are the ones that we go on the most minutes domestic violence percentage of calls. I mean, I would say it's got to be close to 6060 to 70% of runs are domestic violence. So and of course, you know, I'll quiz you again. I know I've asked you this. And I've asked my class this and they do listen because they get it right. The number one day for domestic violence calls. Is what day of the year. Christmas? No. New Year's Eve. Nope. Super Bowl Sunday. Oh, okay. I remember telling you that. Yeah. Super Bowl Sunday. So dry and Super Bowl, because you're doing during the AIDS and the violence in the sports and all of that. Yep. Yep. Crazy. So anyway, so then that, you know, took me into homicide, and it did you know, and I did well, and all of those experiences from the one at nine years old to running radar and Amish buggies to be in the street officer being a domestic violence officer. And then that this seed you forgot to mention, which you've said before, was when your parents got a color TV? Oh, yeah. So then, and I gotta Yeah, so my parents. We were going to go buy our first color TV, our neighbor Mary was our best friend who's just at her house. Still my best friend if I've known Mary 48 years of my life, I'm being my goodness. And we were first house to get a color TV, right? And we run to Sears and we're all in the car. And we're all excited. And we get back to the house and we unwrap it. We plug it in and we turn it on and chips. So the first show that pops up, and I was done. God, I'm like, Whoa. So you know their motorcycle cops. So I would I rigged up my bike. And I would pull people over I would write parking tickets. I would put a doll on the back of my bike because I just saved her Yeah, and I remember I fell off my bike because the doll got caught in the in the spikes of the of my tire. Oh no. And then like the the baby's like an ED bike grease on her leg and like I fell and it was just this big thing. But yeah, so that's kind of like the journey of how it happened. And I can look back and there's very distinct moments in time. But at the end of the day, it's always been the story behind the story, because I think it just made me a better police officer and a better better detective. And I've heard some of your friends when they're asked the same question. How did you know you wanted to be a cop or was it a calling? So many of them remember watching policewoman is Charlie's Angels, Mannix Charlie's Angels, you know? Yeah. And we weren't my sister and Mary and I were Charlie's Angels mares blonde. So of course she's fair flossin Of course, my sister was never into it. She's played because made her. And then I was out solving the crimes. Which character were you? I was Chris. There was one that was Chris, what was she Kate, it wasn't a Jackson. My sister was KJ I can't remember. But I was Chris. Because there was Chris there was like, you know, she was, and we had the box, and I would be the voice. And I'd give him the case. And then I'd go out and solve it. And I really want, right. And I'm the only one that lasted like I solved it Mary's like, I'm going home. Like, I'm going inside and I'm like, What are you doing? So that's kind of my journey of how that happened. So I hope that gives a little insight. As you guys listen to more podcast episodes of how I did what I do. So yeah, we will. Thanks for listening everybody, and we'll see you next time on murder with mannina. 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