The Murder Of Sarah Wallace

In 2007, 20-year-old Sarah Wallace, an aspiring nurse, was shot inside her apartment after arguing with her boyfriend in a bar.   Chris examines why her boyfriend is the obvious suspect including the fact he admitted to shooting Sarah.  So why, after all of these years, is he still a free man?  

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People always want to know what it's like to be me. How does it feel to see a dead body, tell a family, their loved one has been murdered, talk to a rape victim, catch a killer, and get them to confess, hold on time, my friends, get ready for the journey. And welcome to murder with Mannina Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of murder with mannina. I'm gonna jump right into it and talk a little bit about the Delphi case. If you've been following along, there's some new developments in the stretch that evidently, well, first of all, when I saw a picture of the suspect, he looks like he's sick. He was a pretty stocky guy. And he's in jail, obviously been arrested, but he looks almost ill. Who in what way, he's lost a lot of weight. He's not stocky at all. And he, gosh, he just looks he looks like he's sick, pretty much just how he looks. But anyways, the new development is that supposedly he has confessed to several people about killing the two girls. So that's good information. And that's good evidence. And if you don't know all your recordings from inside a jail, they're always recorded. So when you call anybody from jail, it's always recorded. So they heard him confessed to his wife during a phone call, that he did kill the girls, and she got all upset and hung up. So that is really, really good. So because when I read the probable cause, there didn't seem to be a lot of evidence. And now that now they've kind of distributed over 200 pages have information about the case and the probable probable cause and kind of some of the things that they have not been holding, you know, have not been given the information. So it looks like they were stabbed, did he act alone? That's what it's not been released. That is what's not been released. So the only thing that's been released new really is that he confessed. So that's a good thing. So I was up in Delphi doing some work for my new job. And, you know, it's a little disturbing up there, because the trial is supposed to be starting in January, which I think is rolling quickly. I'll be surprised, because in January, but the people that I was talking to you know, they're concerned for their safety. And you know, it's just going to be probably a madhouse with media in the small little town. And they're shipping the jurors from Fort Wayne, Indiana, which would be a couple hours for the jurors to come in and sit and listen to this. So that's the new development on the Delphi case. It's a good thing. It'll be a recording on you know, of him confessing to his wife is so crazy. Because Joe phone calls have been so good for me during my career. We can listen to him. We asked, you know, that's one of the reasons we ask for phone numbers. Whenever we're interviewing witnesses, and phone numbers, even when we're interviewing suspects of who's who's the baby mama, who's the baby daddy, we we try to get all of these numbers, because when they come up on the jail's calls, you know, I'll know who he's calling, or she's calling and so that's that's but they say before that the conversation even starts, it says this is the you know, Marin County jail or whatever jail you're in, and this phone call is being recorded. So it's crazy that people know that they say that every phone every time you make a telephone call, but we get a lot of information over. And it's admissible evidence. It is it is I've used it before. So I figured that defense his defense attorney will, you know, try to you know, say that it was cursed or he was crazy or whatever. But who knows. So that's the new development in there. But today I want to talk about a case and this isn't not a case of a who done it. This is a case of they know exactly who did it. And he has not been arrested yet. And this is a super sad case. So this is out of Cincinnati, Ohio that happened July 6 of 2007. And her name was Sarah Wallace. And she was murdered. So people have described her she's 20 years old. She lives in Cincinnati, which is not very far from Indianapolis a little over an hour, but she was described as friends and family describe her as kind of warm, kind hearted and outgoing. She was carefree to like to dance in the rain to love signs and had made plans to attend college. If you hear anything in the background. It's thunder. We're having crazy storms. Oh, I love that. Yeah, well, it's not it's not nothing to love because the same we were hit a couple I don't know maybe a month ago by a tornado just south of where I live about 40 miles and another Their tornado touchdown just a few days ago in the same area. Oh, yeah. Real close to an assisted living place so crazy. But if your thunder that's what's going on here. So she was I had dreams of becoming a nurse to work with hospice patients. She was described as an inspiration and a lifeline to those who needed her. She had once literally given someone the shirt off her back, when an individual came to her workplace, clearly unable to afford proper clothing for the weather and shivering cold, she took off her sweatshirt and handed it over and told the person to keep it. She was that kind of person, she would give your last $10 to in her pocket if you needed it. And this was described by one of Sarah's close friends. So here's the situation. Here's an overview of it. And then we're going to talk a little bit about kind of the timeline of everything and all of the red flags. And this is just a really disturbing case because there's not been an arrest and it's quite clear who did it. And we'll talk a little bit about grand juries and why. You know, those are good and bad in this situation. So all right, she was she was incredible. She was 20. Like I said she was incredibly close with our sister in law Betsy, who she met when she was 11. She was always reliable make time for one she loved particularly for her nieces and nephews so she was very, very close to her family. A few days prior to her death. She attended her grandmother's annual Fourth of July party. It was evidently Sarah's favorite holiday. But her family quickly noticed that she was wearing a long sleeve t shirt in group concern that Sarah was covering bruises or self harming. She had a history of depression and she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and had sought out treatment. So the family seeing these things, they do absolutely become concerned but I don't think anything was said. So the next day she she worked at the CVS and the next day she clocked out and CVS and went to her second job at the ball field where she sees her brother Andrew and her father. By 11pm. She had plans to meet up with her boyfriend Leonard Messer, remember that name Leonard Messer for drinks at a local bar. The two ended up getting into an argument because Leonard had been drinking all day at the bar and in it and then they got into an argument and ended up sitting on opposite ends of the bar. They leave separately. So in the early mornings of July 6 2007. They leave the bar separately after an argument she makes a pitstop at the CVS to buy cigarettes before heading home.

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15am That's about two hours after she meets up with her boyfriend. A neighbor heard a loud noise and felt the entire apartment building shake. That's what how it was described. Sara was killed by a gunshot wound to the neck. While Messer the boyfriend Leonard was in the apartment. Oh my god, Mr. Messer left the residence or returned to his parents home where his mother Jeanne Messer, she called 911 saying and I quote my son shot his girlfriend. Messer would later tell police that Sarah was emotional and wanted to hurt herself and the gun went off during a heated exchange between the two. However, police would find Sara slumped over with the gun in her lap and a bullet wound in her neck. Based upon the positioning of the gun, our lab investigators felt it was unnatural for it to be a self inflicted gunshot. Now, mind you, when the detectives can tell, and they give their examination of what the crime scene looks like, right? That's why every time I entered a crime scene, I was very meticulous, I was very slow walking through it just for these types of questions to be answered. You know, does it make sense? How the body is positioned? And in this case where the gun is an investigator said no, it's probably not likely that she shot herself in the neck. And it's not very often we're women. If they want to commit suicide. We'll do it by God. So when first responders arrived on the scene, Betsy notice commotion at SAROS apartment complex. Betsy immediately called around to Sarah's friends and family as well as calling Sara directly but she didn't get an answer. But your relatives and arrive on scene and were able to talk to offers patrolling the scene for for for information. So that's how they found out. One month later, when Sarah's father Danny Wallace was working out his bar because his or her parents owned the Groesbeck tavern, a patron by the name of Jackie Lange told Sarah's dad that her friend Kimberly hace Abney was with Messrs. Shortly after Sara's passing, said they had an on an on again and off again relationship and claims that the boyfriend had confessed to killing Sara. Upon receiving the information. She obviously told Messer to leave her home. Okay, we fast forward 10 years. And there's minimal updates on the case, until master was brought in in front of a grand jury as the main person of interest in Sarah's death. Unfortunately, the jury felt that there was not enough evidence to move forward in the case, which blows my mind. Let me back up. A grand jury in Ohio is a jury made up of nine randomly selected registered voters of the local community. Summon the same way as trial jurors. Unlike a jury trial, however, Grand Jurors are not screened for bias or other potential issues. So they just get picked. And they're part of a grand jury. So they they're not asked questions like jurors are when we are selecting a jury for a jury trial. All right, a grand jury hears only the version of events from the prosecutor and her witnesses. So this nine group of people that come in, they hear the case. And there's no defense attorney, there's there's only the prosecutors version of it, which even blows my mind a little bit more. Because there's no obviously if the prosecutor feels like there's possibly enough evidence to indict, they get the grand jury. That's why they bring it to a grand jury. And there's no defense attorney for the suspect, putting any type of doubt into their mind. So the prosecutor is like giving all of the evidence same, everything that went down. So it's so unbelievable to me, that this group of nine people did not feel like there was enough evidence, okay, based on the history, and we're gonna go through the timeline of this, but it's just, it's just crazy to me. So who's Whose gun was it? Well, that's a good question. And I don't know that I know the answer to that, which I've reached out. Of course, I always reach out to the family. But gosh, I'd love to hear that trial. I mean, how does it go down? It's not the trial. The jury So how this works? If I mean, I guess the presentation, I would love to hear prosecutors presentation, because how on earth? Could there be any doubt? Exactly did it I mean, just hearing what we've done, and he said it and why did it take them years a grand jury, I've only had a couple of them. So our grand jury, most of the time is used when an officer shoot somebody, right in the course of their duty. It goes in front of a grand jury in the grand jury decides, do they want to indict? So it's almost kind of like getting an opinion and a second opinion where the prosecutors like, well, let me I don't know, there's this and there's this and there's this, let me take it to the grand jury and decide if they feel like there's enough evidence to make an arrest. Okay. The grand grand jury that I was in, it's very laid back. I sat at the front of the table. The prosecutor was at the other table. The jury, the grand jury was around me. It's there's it's not formal, it's not anything. It's like, Hey, this is what happened. This is what we think happened. This is what the detectives think. And the grand jury is actually allowed to ask me questions. There's no objection, there's no judge. So if the grand jury says yes, he's guilty, he doesn't go to jail. It just goes to trial. It's just Yeah, it's not about guilt or innocence. It's it's their opinion, if they think that there's enough evidence to make it. Okay, right. Okay. So, and they're allowed to ask questions. There's no objections or so. So what I imagine hopefully, and I don't know if they did this or not, but one of the questions would be, Detective, when you were at the crime scene, do you think it's possible that she could have shot herself? Now I know what the prosecutor is thinking that there's going to be some there's going to be some question come up. If she's bipolar, she's been depressed, you know, they were in a fight. All of that BS is going to come and I know the prosecutor was thinking that's going to be a that's going to be something that we have to get past. And there's prosecutors that say that and I liked that. Hey, because no case is perfect. You know, defense attorneys can always come up with something there can always be some kind of doubt. It's just how much doubt and is it believable? Is it reasonable? Because remember, it's beyond a reasonable doubt not beyond any doubt. It's beyond any reasonable doubt. All right, when you go to jury trial, so, in this is like a totally circumstantial case, I guess. Right, because in here, you'll hear the timeline. This is why All right, so June 27 2007. What a couple. About a week before her she's murdered. The family notices bruises on her face and arms. When say when Sarah's family asked her what happened. She tells them that that she and her boyfriend were recently a nearby lake. Mess or the boyfriend juggling pushed her into the lake leading to her scrapes and bruises. The family believes that she is a victim of domestic abuse and is covering for him. But why do they believe that what other evidence is there to did they know that he was irascible had he had a violent temper? I mean, what how do we know? It doesn't it doesn't sound like it. It was one of those deals where they think because she was wearing long sleeves, but they evidently didn't confront her or didn't move forward with it very much and kinda let it go because she blew it off. From what I can tell now. And I That's why I always want to get a hold of the family to give their, you know, give their version of it. June 28. The very next day, she decides to move in with her brother and his wife, Betsy, remember, Betsy, they're really, really close was one of her closest friends. She had believed that her boyfriend was going to get a divorce. So evidently he was married. And if he didn't leave his wife by July, she was going to leave them. She plans on packing her things and moving the weekend. She has killed now. I'm not rocket science, but we're painting the picture, right? Like we're painting. Right? What's the what's the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic violence is when they leave or when they decide to leave is by far the most dangerous time. So July 4, her boyfriend get into a fight. Again, she's at her grandmother's house. She was wearing a long sleeve sweatshirt, like I said, which is unusual to cut out. Families concerned. Sarah had a history though of depression and had undergone treatment for possible bipolar. So that's being brought out again. So is she harming herself? Because that's going to be brought up in a jury trial right just because of her. All right, so that's July 4, July 5. She works at the CVS she clocks out of her shift at the CVS. She goes at 11 o'clock. So it goes to a second job after clocking out she goes to her jacket second job at a ballpark. This is the last time her brother and father see her and this is July 5. So Levin 30 July 5, they go to the bar, her boyfriend go to the bar, they meet up at the local bar. When she gets out of work while at the bar, they get into an argument and end up sitting at opposite sides of the bar. And they leave separately. July 6 Early morning. So they they're there in a lab and by midnight. She's already left they left separately. She goes to CVS she buys some cigarettes and she heads home. 1230 She is home. She returns home she is chatting with a neighbor who lives across the street. They speak for about a half an hour. She then then the boyfriend shows up at her apartment. He arrives a series apartment. It's unclear he got there so Sarah left him at the bar and took her car home. So he shows up now we're a couple of hours into this but he's intoxicated 115 A and she's shocked while in her apartment with him. Sarah shot when the police arrive, they would find Sarah hunched over, hunched over think about this in your mind, hunched over on her couch with the Smith and Wesson gun that shot her in the neck sitting on her lap. According to police reports. At approximately 115 A neighbor heard a loud sound felt the building shake and later saw an older intoxicated man enter Sarah's apartment. Messrs father drives 25 minutes to Sarah's apartment to pick up his son Leonard. When her boyfriend leaves he Oh, but he does not call 911 and he locks Sarah's apartment door. Messer and his father drive 25 minutes back to the family home. He does not call 911 and that's not I mean, what would be the reason for that? Well, I'm not going to call 911 After I shot somebody. Exactly. I mean, what other reason could there be 342 a m

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42am. She shot at 115. Phone call the 911. In the early morning hours of July 6 2007 Messers mother calls 911. Now we're two hours into this and states and I quote, My son shot his girlfriend, my son accidentally shot his girlfriend. He says that Sarah was suicidal and took his gun and an attempt to shoot herself, and it's his gun. They struggle over the gun and he claimed she accidentally shot herself. The gun was found sitting in her lap, but forensics would determine that the placement of the gun in her lap was a natural for someone who shot herself. This is nuts or what I'm still not seeing how there's any doubt I know. 346 police officers arrived on scene and forcibly open her apartment. Other than that officers did not no note any for century, authorities observe a Smith and Wesson Blue Steel revolver and Sarah's lab in a bag of ammunition on the coffee table in front of her. Oh my god, can you say staged. She is seated crosslake In what seems to be a completely relaxed manner. And there appears to have been no struggle in the apartment. For 12 Messer is arrested, police arrive at Messers home where he was in the bathroom vomiting. The officer reads in his rights and he's taken in for further questioning at the station. Because this isn't rocket science. All right. So without knowing the details, or that Sarah was involved, Betsy notices a commotion at Sarah's apartment complex and calls around to check on Sara family members arrive and find out more information from the officers on the scene. Sarah's family tried calling her but there's no answer. Sarah's mother confronts an officer at the crime scene and asks Did the motherfucker killer that's what mom says at the scene did the motherfucker kill. Now look, that's what we that's what I would say is excited utterance. That's evidence right like that's things that are coming out to talk about what people are feeling and what they think and the possibilities. The officer tells her that he she does not know and that she would need to speak to a detective. Another deputy reports that a man who he believes to be Sarah's brother said I think my sister has been killed that can you imagine the same? Can you imagine this? This scene? I'm still waiting to hear why this took 10 years to go to a grand jury then. Okay, so that is July 6 of 2007 you jump to August 9 Julie Wallace shares a tip with law enforcement Julian Danny Wallace. I'm the parents own Groesbeck Catherine one night when Danny Wallace was working a woman at the bar named Jackie Lang tells him that her friend Kimberly was with Messer shortly after Sarah's death. She says that Messer went to Abby's house and told her that he had killed Sara. Upon learning of this information at me tells Messer to leave her home. Here we go. 2018 Sara's case is brought in front of our grand jury nearly 10 years after Sarah's death. The case is brought in front of the grand jury with Leonard Messer as the main person of interest unfortunately, the jury feels that there is not enough evidence to move the case forward. And the case is close. Much to the dismay of her family. He moved shortly after the murder and is currently living in Texas. So this is the thing about it and this was what I said before and this Kimberly that he was seeing when did she win did she come forward and say that he told her pretty quickly that he pretty quickly right after what I don't understand. I mean how did this take 10 years please did everything right? They did everything right and sometimes when when you have domestic situations like this the crime scene isn't always like your normal crime scene right? There's going to be your stuff there my stuff there. His he obviously had a gun. So you know that There's no There's no forced entry, you know, there's not. But when you have cases like this, the way that I tried to investigate them is that we have to prove how if it's not him, then what the hell else could have happened? What evidence is there to show that anything else happened? This is a circumstantial case. But a good one. And I've taken so many circumstantial cases to court and one, right, because there's no other questions. Now, there is going to be the question, but you have forensic people that are telling the grand jury, it's not, it's not really possible, the way that she's seated, you know, to have shot herself in the neck. And the way the where the gun was found, it's not really possible that that can happen. Now. We can't sit there and say, is 100% possible? You know, we cannot say anything to 100%. But when this thing is brought to the grand jury, and you start looking at the history, and you start looking at all of the domestic violence, are there other Were there other domestic violence clues? Well, I would imagine, so not that I can found, but it's not, it's never the first time he didn't go from this, you know, killing her, you know, he didn't just, you know, beat her up once and then shoot her. It probably was a combination of, there was pressure from her to, for him to leave his wife. Like she said, she was going to move out, then you throw in alcohol, and he was at the bar all day drinking, then you throw in the argument, all of that, and then you have a gun. And then you have just you have a gun in the house. I mean, that just upset Danny 1000 times more. But also, I mean, what's his wife interviewed? Did she have a violent relationship with Him? Because if it's someone who's an abuser, they're not abusive with just one woman. Exactly. It's a common it's, it runs in every relationship they have, right. And that's the whole thing. It's like, I don't I wish that the grand jury would have just said, You know what? It's circumstantial, because to me, and this is how I've always thought when I've done my investigation, no Evidence is Evidence. You know, what I mean, by that? No evidence playing it. It's no evidence to me is evidence. There's no other evidence that anybody else could have possibly done this. Sure. In a circumstantial case. Right. That's what you have proved that there's no other option of any but we have no other evidence suggesting, suggesting that anybody else would have done this. But evidently, somebody in the grand jury or a couple grand jury, people just said, you know, I just don't feel comfortable. She was bipolar, you know, and it sounded like they probably the prosecutor's office did a good job of putting it out all out there. Yes, there was some mental health issues, you know, but there was also a, b, c, d, and e. And they just thought, no, not enough. So these are the types of cases that really make me upset because it's like, okay, you've got really good circumstantial evidence, interview all the people that the bar, you're going to be able to get this timeline interview everybody that saw him argue, interview everyone that saw him sitting at the opposite end of the bar, interview the interviewer, the interviewer, their friends, their diet, what was their relationship? Exactly? This is the thing that makes me mad about it. One that the prosecutor just didn't have the balls to just not even take it to the grand jury and just said, You know what, I'm going to I'm going to have a jury, I'm gonna have a jury decide this is what we have the system in place for to get put it in front of the jury and let them decide. He just didn't have or she just didn't have the balls to go for it. So he got away with it. He's now living in Texas. Married, married? Do we know anything about? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I didn't even want to look, I'm so frustrated with the way that the system works. Because what a disservice to her and to her family. And how scary is that? That he's just out, getting away with it. Now, what's interesting is, here we have at the beginning of this, we're talking about Delphi. He's cuz he's confessed to several people that he killed those girls. Then we have this situation where he confesses to a couple of people, including his mother, who also says, on recording to the 911 Caller, my shunts my son shot, Sarah. Now she threw in the word accidental, which is fine. But let's say it was accidental. Let's just Let's just say They're fighting over the gun and it's accidental. I still think that there's a claim there could be a claim of criminal recklessness, we can still show that it was an abusive relationship. You know, there's still things that he should have been held accountable for. Mainly murder. But exactly. It's just, it's there's so much information is so many details lacking, but not, but what's lacking. I mean, they, they had a tumultuous relationship. Probably, there's alcohol, there was an argument, there was pressure for him to leave his wife, there was a deadline to leave his wife, you're intoxicated and you have a gun? It's all right there. What else do you Well, I mean, what was the relationship with the wife? Like, what kind of personality was he? What kind of character what, you know? Just, yeah, it's not evidence. That's just, that's just, that's just your perception of it. You can't like that's your perception, you can interview 100 people. And some of them will say, yeah, it's a totally nice guy. And other people will be like, he's a shit. And you can't bring that into court. You can't give your opinion. You can only give the facts. And the facts are, you know, the fact that he went home. Yeah, you can interview mom and say, Well, what was he like, he's obviously sick. He was vomiting when the officers got there. You know, but you can't bring in your opinion, you can't do the whole hearsay and even with him, confessing to other people that he did it, you're going to find some issues with the whole hearsay that you have to, you can only testify to what you heard. So you're bringing mom on the stand, you know, and saying, What did you hear? Well, my son came home and told me that he shot his girlfriend, and he accidentally whatever she wants to testify to. And that's strong evidence. So he did it. You know, there's no doubt. And I don't know why maybe, you know, I've had such good prosecutors, in my experience, where they, they go ahead and say, We're locking him up for murder, and we'll let the jury decide if it was maybe voluntary manslaughter or something like that. This woman, is this a closed case now? Or can this be rebuilt? This can still so that's why I'm talking about it. I had is why I am freaking talking to people. Anybody has any. There must be people who have information about him. What is he gone absolute kind of relationships is he gone on to have, right? And like I said, he moved to Texas. So I just want to get this out here. It's frustrating. You know, we can talk till we're blue in the face about domestic situations. It never ends. Well leave leave the minute there's any emotional physical abuse, you gotta get that out of there. Yeah, it only progresses as a gun in the house. Yeah, when they're when the gun in the house, it's an ungodly statistic that it's going to be ended up being used on you. I mean, it just upped the ante so much. So this case is still you know, it's only gone to the grand jury. So he hasn't been tried. So if they get more information, and they get more evidence, they can, you know, eventually hopefully try to arrest his ass. So any information on this, I urge you to call the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office at 51394664005139466400. And I will end with this. Anybody that you care about love friends, family, you have any inkling that there's a domestic violence situation going on in their relationship. please dig dig deep into it. Please help them, please give them the resources, give them you know, your advice, give them an ear, give them a place to stay if they need to leave just don't let this because this is exactly what happened. So man, I feel bad for this family. Well, you know what, Chris, a place to stay when they need to leave it puts that person in danger too. Because just like you said, but man, it's crazy. That's the most dangerous time. So if you take somebody and because I'm saying this from personal experience, we had a domestic abuse, domestic abuse situation on our street. And me and another mom. We took in the kids whenever possible, we had an open door for the kids. I would not take in the mother. Because I was worried that her husband would come in after her and it would put all of us in danger. I just told her there's no way you have to go to a safe house. I'll take in your kids always. But you can't. Well, that's smart too. But when you're looking at family, you know mom and dad. They thought something was up right like they they didn't they noticed that. You know, right? And that was her first instinct. She said Did he kill her? Exactly. So like you said, there are a lot of missing pieces but well, it went from you know, she's wearing long sleeve during the July 4 to at the scene. They're like he killed her. So they all knew it's so frustrating. thing? Well, it's my whole thing is like, I get it. Everyone's got a job to do. It's the job of the detectives to gather as much evidence and present it to the prosecutor, the prosecutors job is to convict the person, right. And they take on cases. And of course, and I've talked about this before, the prosecutor's office doesn't want to lose, right? They don't want to lose a case. It's not good for their career. It's not good for their, but if they lose, there's nowhere else to go. Right. They're off forever. They are. And that's a really, really important. Okay, well, that's a huge thing. Absolutely. Because then you can't try him again. Can't do the whole double jeopardy, then that's not just about that's not just about ego. Oh, I might not win the case. It's about way more than that. They don't win the case. The person is they got off scot free. Yeah. Scott Fraser. Yeah, there's a lot of dynamics with the prosecutor's office. I mean, it's like anything else in this way. You got good detectives, you got good prosecutors, you've got bad detectives, you've got, you know, horrible prosecutors and blah, blah, blah. So you know, but the upside case, but I wanted to get it out there for a couple of reasons, obviously, the domestic violence angle and then talk a little bit about the grand jury and what they're about and get it out there if anybody has any information. 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