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Of Music and Men #41

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The mic opens on a hard truth: famous faces keep selling us political narratives, and we keep buying. We unpack the optics of celebrity advocacy around Nigeria’s crisis, why “awareness” becomes a Trojan horse, and how power loves a pretty mouthpiece. Then we pivot to a thornier space—Summer Walker’s standout R&B against receipts that clash with her brand of healing. Can you really separate art from the artist when the persona contradicts the product?

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Artists, Politics, And Propaganda

SPEAKER_03

It's playing LA Life of Times Network. Music of Men, episode 41.

SPEAKER_01

What's up, Jerry?

SPEAKER_03

What's up?

SPEAKER_01

What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_03

How you been? I've been uh I've been feeling on top, bro. You know, life is good. Life is great. It's it's as good as we can make it. People are making things happen. Um artists are speaking up, standing for something. You know? We got to keep it now. She speaks at the United Nations. She is pushing a narrative from Donald Trump and them. I mean, to be respectful, you know. Now the situation is serious, right? The situation is serious, but the narrative behind it is sinister. So it's a lot going on as far as like what's going on over there in Nigeria, as far as Christians being persecuted, and then there's a lot going on with Donald Trump and what he's trying to do past that. Because he's using that as the scapegoat. We've seen this a couple of times now. So, like, hey, there's an issue over here. Oh, we take care of the issue, and then we take something with us. You know, that's that's what's trying to happen, that's what's kind of going on.

SPEAKER_04

So he's looking for an excuse to go over there.

Nicki, UN Optics, And Nigeria

SPEAKER_03

He's looking for an excuse to go over there. So there's something over there he wants. Nicki Minaj decides to be the spokeswoman for that. Listen, man, I've been told people to stop looking at these artists as somebody who's composed, who has a political opinion you should follow. These guys can be bought and paid for. They might be in situations behind the scenes where they may need a partner, where they may need some help on some things, because there's some things came out about Nicki Minaj recently about parts like a money situation. So it there's things that can be going on. You never know what people are doing for the bread, and you never know somebody's morals behind the scene. Now, I Nicki Minaj has to know the politics she's dealing with and the people she's working with, right? She's always been pretty outspoken and direct as far as certain narratives against black women and black people in general, so like, you know, this is just controlled opposition. These guys are just mouthpieces from powerful people. They're Caramel covered delivery systems. You can't buy into it at all. Does this make a mark on her as an artist? No. Does it show her character? Yes. Right? And that's that's where I'm at with it.

SPEAKER_04

I'm confused on why she was the one chosen. Right? Like, there are actual Nigerian Christians in America who could have spoken on this issue if you want to raise the awareness. But I mean, every artist is self-proclaimed Christian at this point. But she's trinity, she's not even Nigerian. So, like, my there why her specifically to go ahead and speak on this issue is my biggest curiosity. And as you said, you know, there's what is it that would have her be chosen by Donald Trump to be the one to come and speak on this? Like, what's the narrative behind that? Like, that's as you say, just thinking deeper into it and just being like, mm-hmm, kind of weird. But as you said, it is a real issue. It is a real issue that needs to be uh addressed. But should us addressing it come at the uh at the stake of maybe future harm later down the road, like you said, you know, United States has a history of going into places to fix problems and then leaving that place with more problems than it had before they went in there, then why does the United States all of a sudden care about this issue over maybe other issues that have been going on recently? So a lot of questions.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, this is the biggest example of these artists aren't the answer. You know, these guys, these political stances they may have, these people they may take pictures with, these people they hop not with, it's not for us. Like these guys are being used, and it's it's okay and shit. Like people are like Nicki Minaj fans are okay with that. Like there's a certain level of integrity that I just don't see amongst artists or black people at a certain level, right? Like, I kind of call it the departure from Muhammad Ali's to Michael Jordan's, right? Exceptional black talent with a spine, Muhammad Ali. Exceptional black talent with a spine, but he's more focused on money. He's a capitalist. This is the rise of the black capitalists, you know, the famous quote of Michael Jordan saying, Republicans buy shoes too, right? So, like, those are things you can't take back. And this black capitalism at the top, highly coming. Most of it is coming from the entertainment sector. So you gotta tell people that these guys, entertainment sector plus political opinion means bumpkess. If they're in that sector, don't listen to it at all.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, uh honestly, on either side. I mean, we covered when they were doing the political race when you know they had Meg out there twerking for Kamala and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_03

It's just like this thing. I forgot about that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_04

It's like it's it's okay to go on. Like, it is okay no matter who you are and what field you're into, share your opinion. That is fine. But there's places that to me, that is the same as like well, we wouldn't have a comedian going and telling jokes at at the rally to get people to oh did they?

SPEAKER_03

They did it. It went it went kind of bad. Yeah, uh, I can imagine it went kind of bad, and then they distance themselves from the comedian and shit because of the jokes. So, like yeah, we should just cancel that. We gotta stop that shit, bro. But like that just for the general fan, when you see shit like this, bro, these guys are just being puppets. I'm sorry, Nick Manon. You know, maybe she had to pay for her strings this month. Like, it was a string move, like, hey, new puppet move this month. What? Really? Me? Yeah, it's you this time. Yeah. They'll find somebody else next time for it. Hey, we got a puppet you around. Jay-Z, man. We beyond that. I don't know.

Celebrity Influence And Black Capitalism

SPEAKER_04

I don't know if it also distracts from the recent, like, you know, she her and her internet beef that she's always into. That's the other reason why I'm like, this is just a weird move. You don't publicly online, not the best person or character you'd want to see from someone who's going to then go out and speak about tragedies. Because just how she behaves online. So it's really weird that she was chosen. That's that's my take. It's that was a weird pick. There's other options.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of other options, Summer Walker is finally over it. Let's talk about her album, and then we'll talk about herself after that. Let's just talk about the album. I thought the album was great. Great album, great RB. I got it at a 7-8 range. It's really good. It's gonna be hard to separate the art from the artist. It's gonna be hard because the songs I've heard versus the actions of the person is very the disparity is large. Anything to charge. It's scary.

SPEAKER_04

So I give it an eight. I think you know, if you're an RB fan, if you're a summer locker fan, you're eating good, she's giving you the music you want to hear. When you're going through your situations, you're turning these on, everyone's gonna have a favorite song from the owl. That's my take on the owl.

SPEAKER_03

Her hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me frame this right. Alright, we gotta frame this right. Summer Walker is a black woman. Okay? Right. Alright. Now let's talk about it. No, no, no, no. But but listen, yeah. There's narratives, right? And then there's realities, right? There's narratives that people can say about you, and they're not true. But once you do it, it is true.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Summer Walker, it's true. There's some whole shit. It's crazy. There's some crazy whole level. This is a high-level whole shit.

SPEAKER_04

So here's what I don't like. It kind of gives rubs off the same feeling that people have when they talk about like Beyonce when she was going through her stuff like this, like when she was getting, she got shit on by Jay-Z, you know, all the single ladies. Beyonce makes a lot of music for women who aren't in relationships. But Beyonce's married. Beyonce, she wants to stand with her husband. She all this stuff, right? Right? Like Beyonce sitting married while she's making music for single women to go and happily be single. And I'm like, why do why are y'all listening to this? I think I always thought Summer Walker's music came off of as she's a girls' girl and she's here for the heartbroken girls and supporting other women. And Summer Walker's like, actually, I don't care if you got a girl, I won't fuck with you. And like, is that the music that you want to listen to coming from a person who would be on the other end of the pain that some of y'all women are going through? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so like this is like when women talk about like within their own culture, as far as like there's what some women that want to progress further, and there's some women who like what they're getting. And they're gonna perpetuate this shit. Summer Walker likes attention. Um, she has children, bro. Like Summer Walker has multiple children. Uh-huh. Right. Yeah. Mom, what is all of this shit? Why did you go on Instagram and say this disparaging shit about another woman? Like this is woman to woman attacking each other, right? And Tori Bricks, the situation with her, she gotta get out of that relationship if all this cheating is going down, right?

Summer Walker: Art Versus Character

SPEAKER_04

Especially as Summerwalker. So I listened to the voice, right? Which Summer Walker was from like 2023, and she was like, I didn't even know that, you know, if if he had a fiance, I wouldn't even have been messing with him. But it's like, yo, that doesn't matter because I listened to the two-minute voicemail, and you were like, yo, you know, I'm happy that you're with your girl, because I can't be in a serious relationship with a man with a baby mom who acts crazy, she's crazy, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, I still want to mess with you, get a new phone, new number, save me under Pizza Hut. Okay, so you did know that he was involved with someone. You first then fake congratulated him about being with that person. You're just happy that he has a partner, so you can just do sneaky link activities. And if that's how you want to move, that's fine. Move like that. But that's not the art you put out. You put out music as if you're the hurt girl in the situation getting cheated on by your man. You are out here perpetuating the cheating, and you're okay with being the side girl. And like that to me is just I don't know. That's definitely wild. And I didn't know she had kids. That's even wilder.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so that's the thing, bro. It's all like this dark energy, right? Like, that's a lot of dark energy to have within yourself to go and target another woman, especially like like from what I know and what I hear from women, like this is egregious shit, right? Like, you're not supposed to be doing this shit. You're not supposed to be uh like going after a guy that's married gets you no points in the female world, right? And going after a guy that has a situation going and bragging about it doesn't get you any points. So I don't I never off the hook. No, let's not get in with it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, he's just a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_04

Like I'm not saying he's off the hook. I don't want to be like, well, why is it on her? She's not the one relationship he is, blah, blah. No, no, no. He's he ain't shit. But we're talking specifically about an artist and the art they put out and then the way they actually live their lives. And for the fans and her core audience and the type of art she puts out, she is directly opposed to the kind of music she puts out based off how she lives her life. And is that really the music you want to support? Her music, though, was good. If you but if you can believe the narrative, her music is fantastic.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, even the album promo with all the wedding pictures and things of that nature, it it's a slap in the face to her own album concept, right? So, like, this is like, can you separate the art from the artist when the artist is not what they're presenting at all? It's a farce, like a like a true farce.

SPEAKER_04

Like because if you're a male artist and you're wrapping up a being hood and a drug dealer and blah blah blah, and then it finds out that you're a fraud, you catch the flag for that. So we just keeping it, especially in the black community. We'll talk about that. As black artists, if you're a black artist and you're a man and you say you're this, this, this, and this, and it's all to be false, you're going to catch flack for that. So we should keep it the same. You cannot put out this music for this core audience and it'd be directly opposed to the way you genuinely live your life. You are actually not supportive of women if you are condoning and making moves to cheat with other artists in your same industry.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, complete hypocrite. This bad character at the end of the day, as far as Rich the Kid, like the man in this situation, that's not how men move. You have children.

SPEAKER_04

And if you don't want to be with your big mom, leave.

SPEAKER_03

Don't don't don't propose to her. Don't propose to her, don't make it, don't, don't strag it along. If you don't want to do that, don't do it, dog. Like, but he got kids. Like, that's just too much, bro. Like, when I start thinking about certain situations with these artists and grown men with children making these decisions, like not caring, not even having the forethought to think about how this will affect my children down the line. Right. And then like everybody in this situation has low sexual discipline and low self-volue. Like it it is uh sad to say, but everybody in this scenario, from Tori Bricks to Rista Kid to Summer Walker herself, they all have insecurities, all have shit that they're feeding to ignore the actual problem. These guys have the resources to go get help.

SPEAKER_04

Or to leave, you're not going to be like some I it's different for people who are in like poor situations and are like, oh, like I get it. Maybe you think you can't survive or you need to stay for other reasons. Individually, all three of you do not need each other. Y'all have resources and money to live well on your own. I mean, you do not have to stand this situation, you do not have to be out here acting crazy, you do not have to be out here cheating. And I don't want to hear none of this is for the kids because cheating on your partner isn't gonna help your kids.

SPEAKER_03

At all. It's gonna fuck them up. And that's what it listen, man. Those kids are gonna get fucked up by the internet, they're gonna have all this shit clipped, it doesn't go anywhere. Yeah, like I I'm so scared for these kids for as far as like the cyberbullying and everything that's gonna happen, like it is not gonna stop, man. It's it's gonna be a real, real issue. Do you think any of this shit was just a part of business? Do you think this is a rollout at all or just some messy bullshit? Because if this is business, god damn.

SPEAKER_04

If I've never been a fan of if you need to create sensational drama to push your product as an artist, personally, I think that means you don't believe in your own art, and that like that's enough of a disappointment. So I hope this isn't business. I hope this isn't something to promote because this would also be directly opposed to her music, so that wouldn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you know, we see with the blue face shit, bro, that's like a part of his rollout, right? That's like a part of his business, like that's a part of his business model, yeah. True. Like people make that a part of their shit, and it's not like it's uncommon. So I was like, all right, maybe this is her shit now, right? I was talking about like outrage markets, right? Like people are starting to get an audience even if they have low character, right? Like, even if you have a low character and you're a piece of shit, you can still make money on the internet now.

SPEAKER_04

You know what that I think that just goes to being a widespread cultural problem, not of black people, I think American-wise, because one, we are the biggest consumers on the planet, so I think widespread cultural, we have just formed a culture where hate and negativity is what is gravitated to more. Like, there's always a baseline of like ooh, people like drama, people are nosy, whatever, right? But like actually going and spending your energy and resources on gravitating to hate in that as you said, you can be a horrible person and make millions now because people are like drawn to that. That's something else going on with that.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, it's some dark energy out here. Um, the ghouls, the goblins, the creatures, the cretants, hobgoblins, maybe a vampire lord or two. Um, yeah, we're dealing with great creatures of the dark web. Like, they will come and get you. It's not itsy bitsy spider at all. It's really bad.

SPEAKER_04

The demagorgon came out.

SPEAKER_03

The demagorgon, um, we don't have 11. It's we just have six, seven.

Hypocrisy, Fans, And Internet Outrage

SPEAKER_04

We don't we don't have internet brain rot is actually like I it besides just the internet bullying, I genuinely feel bad and sorry. Because education when we were going to school already wasn't perfect, but like it has progressively just gotten worse in the 10 almost 10 years since I've left high school. Education has gotten very worse. So I feel bad for these kids.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of kids, and maybe feeling bad, Pusha T has everybody thinking he's a bad dad. You hear about this story about Pusha T. My name is my name. Oh. There's several things that's happening with Pusha T that people are realizing, right? They're realizing a couple things. First, Pusha T thanked his wife.

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Right.

SPEAKER_03

Or, you know, they're about to have a child, called her a super mom, talk about the things he didn't have to do because she's such a good. And a lot of people pointed out that's not what a partner does. My girlfriend was like, you would never do that, right? And I said, Yes, honey, of course not.

SPEAKER_04

Well, so here's the thing. Why are people everyone's relationship is different? What works for them? I don't I don't know what she's doing for him. I do assume that he's doing a lot for her. If that's their agreement and it works for them, that's fine, right? If he's like, hey, I'm paying all the bills, you don't have to work, we take six trips a year, and you get to shop. If that's what you like to do and get a couple cars, and then you know she clean, cooks, takes care of the kids, whatever else the hell she's doing in the house, if that works for them, rich people problems.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, listen, if you got the bread, the situation could be what to your favor. But I think the larger issue is that, like, he's dealing with a modern audience and the modern a Honored group of people who seen this, this saw a piece of shit, right? So, but he's also older, and that's an angle I didn't really think about. He is more traditional, so the woman he pursues will be more traditional, especially when they have an age gap, right? Right. So when all this shit was going down, people started pulling up some information about Pusha T as far as like when he met his wife, and to my knowledge, he was 29, she was 19.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

So we got situations within the culture where we have endless hypocrisy, right?

SPEAKER_04

It's like at this so is this their first? Is this their first child that they're having?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's their second.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Because I just did a quick search. So yes, when they've met, which I hate the when people are like, well, that was a different time. That doesn't really excuse it, but we are so far past that because now she is 38. So people are almost 20 years too late to be noticing that this, I would say.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And this is the hypocrisy, bro. Like people can't keep up with the the narratives they run with, right? So if this is wrong, then everybody who does it is wrong. So we apply that knowledge. We said Drake was weird for this situation, push your T's weird for this situation.

SPEAKER_04

And you know what? But remember, remember we talked about when Drake was uh Drake's a pedophile, Drake's this and this, and we said that when the pop-out happened, we like yo, there's a couple people on stage with you, Kendrick. That has some situations. I got some situations. There's a couple people around you that you associate with that got some situations. All these people hating on Drake and did the Drake thing, and this just goes further. I hate to talk about it every week, but it's like you can't put the hypocrisy in my face and me not mention it. You you want to hate on Drake for these things. I'm not saying don't hate on Drake for these things. I'm saying how are you gonna hear it from this person's mouth about this person when the person talking did the same thing. It's currently in a situation where he was doing the same thing.

Pusha T, Age Gaps, And Double Standards

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I mean, he had two children and got married, and everybody's cool with it. I mean, the age gap between Dr. Dre and some of his wives, right? Was it crazy and then like the situations around him and his abuse allegations and things of that nature? So like we don't talk about this thing, these things. Like, we don't go in depth. Like the culture is very that's what it is. Yeah. That's what it is. And they did some shit in the streets, and we respect that more than anything. We have to do that shit. Yeah, we have to stop respecting that.

SPEAKER_04

He was all it, he didn't snitch. Yeah, but he groomed people.

SPEAKER_03

Groomed people, got people murked, puts people on like like that's the thing. That's the things people don't talk about, right? Like, there's no real points in this street shit. Like you just die or go to jail, right? And everybody else is everybody else. Like the hood don't care. The shit keeps moving.

SPEAKER_04

Mm-hmm. Like it don't stop, man. You get a hood holiday named after you, maybe you get a street named after you, you get a new set code named after you. But outside of that, how's your mom?

SPEAKER_03

And that and that's the wild part, bro. A lot of people need to understand that, like, and this is this is for the podcast and people's mindsets. Like, first and foremost, man, the streets and people of the streets are no longer the leader of black conversation. I'm sorry. They can't be. They are they're they're they're too paid, they're all a controlled opposition. They can't be the mouthpiece for the black culture anymore. We need people with degrees to be the people in front, people with trade.

SPEAKER_04

Evidence backed up against like they're like, yeah, I have a line of years of work I've been doing in the community. You know, we got young black people going into uh politics, moving things. Yeah, uh, what's the other guy, the young black guy, Isaiah, I think his name is right.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, Texas.

SPEAKER_04

And you and you got people willing to have these conversations with older black people, right? Because you'll see the conversations they have where you see these older black people in these positions. He's like, what have you done on these years positions? You've just kind of sat by the side and just let our communities kind of fall apart. And so, yeah, we don't have to be looking to these older street people. All the older street people that were actually doing something good for the community are locked up or got assassinated, okay? Like, that's just yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Anybody else that's still out there is just a Fed. I'm not even aware they're just a Fed.

SPEAKER_04

CIA wants them out there. They want them out there.

SPEAKER_03

It's like, yo, you're murder, you're murder man eight, right? That's your nickname. You do eight bodies a day, right? We we're gonna let you out on bail. Yeah. We're gonna let you out. Like, it's for a reason to keep populations down, to keep education down, to keep crime up. Like, to think about the amount of like shit that like I'm gonna unpack and shit just from growing up in a bad neighborhood, right? Like, I used to go outside, I see somebody on drugs. That's not a person. Safe. He's not a person. Can't trust him. We don't eat can't trust him yet. We don't even look at him like he's a person. That's like a part of our environment. That's this one part. That's like a fucking stop sign. That's like one of the signs on the street. Like this is a part of the package living in one of these environments.

SPEAKER_04

Someone's on the stoop.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you're getting used to drug use and like a high level. I remember I was in middle school waiting for the bus. Fucking fiend roll up, right? And I describe him as a fiend because I'm dehumanizing him, right? So fiend rolls up, starts smashing his head into the grass until blood started pouring out of his head. And then the bus pulled up. I mean, I got on the bus and kept going. You just keep going like your day, like, oh, I saw this this morning. So this is I don't even think I told my mom.

SPEAKER_04

I just I think I did some homework that would traumatized. You see other kids in other neighborhoods. Yeah, I remember 20 years ago, I had to go to therapy for that. Yeah, when you see it every day, it's just a what'd you say?

SPEAKER_03

It's just a stop sign. Yeah, it's just a stop sign. Shit. Keep going. So that can't be the bare minimum for who we want to be and achieve. And we gotta understand that drug dealers are making the environment like that. Yes, they are supplying the neighborhood. They are supplying that shit. So, like that, just that one little trauma issue right there is a part of every black kid's life if they live in a bad neighborhood. Any kid that lives in a bad neighborhood and they're selling drugs, to be honest. Because these kids that see a tail in a trailer park, they'll blow your fucking mind, right? Like, it's crazy. Especially when people get in pockets and they get in the south and they start doing this and that, it get weird. But um I digress. This push a tea situation, this shows hypocrisy. It shows that you gotta have the right skin to win. We, as a culture, has have bought into things that don't help us at all. And I'm not buying anymore.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Yeah, gotta let that stuff go. Gotta leave it in the past. We are old enough to choose to let that stuff go.

SPEAKER_03

Now, guess who's old enough but won't let this stuff go? Garald Rule and 50 Cent. He was accosted. Um, someone said he was accosted. He he said he wasn't. He immediately said he wasn't. 50 said it 50 Cent said he was.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, you know, you can't be telling people you get ran up on. That's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Like, Gerald Rule's like damn near 40, 45, 40 plus. Like, come on, dog.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Just call the cops. It was like, yeah, like people, like I remember when Eminem got ran up in his house and he like called the police, and it's like, what yeah, what am I gonna go to jail and lose all my stuff? Oh, I'm gonna shoot you, like I'm trying to shoot you now on. Hello?

SPEAKER_03

So I just broke in. Listen, guys, and this is for the street tough. If you're a citizen, you get to abide by all the laws. You were the ones that help you defend yourself.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and and and I look, and I get it, right?

Streets, Culture, And Who Leads

SPEAKER_01

No, friends, blah blah blah blah blah. I understand. Oh, yeah, also 911.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, this random stranger just entered my home and now he's lying on the floor. Like down there. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I came out the bathroom on the ground in a puddle.

SPEAKER_04

In a puddle. Uh, I've never seen this man before in my life, and he was thinking I think it was like ketchup. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I am using the law to my advantage, and I have that ability because I'm not a criminal. Not a criminal, bro. Stay on your ground, stay. The money that I have in my account stays with me. I'm not out here trying to post bail, not gonna wait for 10 years. My kids don't gotta worry about coming send me letters. Like, shh.

SPEAKER_03

Self-defense. Stop it. Told you to get out of here.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Pop one up, you know, pop the warning shot.

SPEAKER_04

Don't be a criminal, guys. Just don't don't be that. Please.

SPEAKER_03

Be a grown man. I feel like at this point, Jar Ru should have no beef. He has no issues. Like nobody should be trying to run up on him and just be rich and live your life. This is crazy, bro. If I had a million in my account, guess what I'm doing? None of the shit I used to be doing.

SPEAKER_04

Disappearing. You wouldn't even but it it tells I think once again, you have people who weren't raised off of money, so when they get it, they live their life a certain way, and then they become accustomed to that. And I understand it's hard to break those cycles, but every move you make can be a risk to your wealth and fortune. So I don't see how you could be moving that way. Where you like drama, where you want things centered on you, where you just like are in situations and involved in stuff where yeah, you're just at risk. I guess you I would disappear.

SPEAKER_03

Bro, I don't think any of these guys are very mature, but what can we do, bro? What can we do? 50 Cent did show up at the Eubank fight. That shit was hard. It was tough. It was a big boxing car about a week ago. And it just shows the synergy between rap and boxing, UFC. I wish we'd get a rapper in the USC to come out for a card, this or that. But you know, UFC's kind of a right-wing poly, like a right wing. Well, yeah, very, very you know.

SPEAKER_04

Well, but just I think it's good for the because well, first of all, I watched it. I'm not gonna say it's the best like live performance, but it was cool to see him come out and see. Yeah, and I just think it's nice, right? These are younger guys coming out, especially if you're in meme boxing, like like you're usually a younger guy. You're watching your heroes and people you've admired come and have them come and support you. I think that's big. I think mixing entertainments is big. You know, why wait for big artists to come into the Super Bowl when we can have them come and do other sports, right? Having them opening up boxing, UFC, and other types of entertainment. I think mixing them is good. I think it's okay to blend those industries and those environments and kind of network that way.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of networks, Paramount, South Park writers, and Kendrick have delayed their movie. It was about, I think it was like this dude was dating a white girl, white girl with parents with slave owners, and it was going to be a comedy. So I don't know why they pushed it back. I think this is what the world needs. You can't have that.

SPEAKER_04

This is happening in the same year where Assassin's Creed decided that they were gonna cancel the game where you were gonna play as a runaway slave fighting the KKK because that was gonna anger the white supremacists too much.

SPEAKER_01

Alright.

SPEAKER_03

They got mad at Batman for uh beating up KKK members. He's that's what he do. He don't like Bad Guy.

SPEAKER_04

Batman beats up criminals, and uh to some people, those aren't the criminals. Oh shit. No way. Yeah, yeah. You know, they say I don't want politics in my uh fantasy. You know, no politics in Star Wars, no politics in comments. And it's like, yo, y'all know why these characters were made? Like, do y'all know when these characters were made? What do you mean you don't want almost every comic character made before 1985 was a political statement?

SPEAKER_03

Bro, the lack of media literacy in an average American is fucking abysmal. It's bad.

SPEAKER_04

The Star Wars one always gets me. Yeah, politics on my Star Wars. The Empire? Rebels?

SPEAKER_03

Rebels like uh Force Magic. I'm like, okay. Oh. Even the force is like talking about never mind.

SPEAKER_04

It's good in bed, the whole concept of Star Wars. But yeah, no, no, no, yeah. They they be they be like, keep politics out of my shows, and I just be like, y'all shouldn't watch TV.

SPEAKER_03

Bro, the NFL said keep politics out of the NFL, then Trump made a speech, bro. I don't I don't get it.

SPEAKER_04

I don't get it, bro. This is crazy. Politics are only good when they're good for them. Oh shit. No fucking way, bro.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's you telling we we played a rig game, bro? Catch up. Yo, we got loaded dice. Put yourself up by the bootstrap, man. Stop complaining. Get that bootstrap, man. That shit is exhausting. If you don't like it, just leave the country. Why are you here? Why are you here? Why why did I get here?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, we didn't know how I got here.

SPEAKER_03

Hey, that'd be my favorite. If I do a 23 and me, bro, they were like, they got you as that's that's what they find. That's all I'm gonna find. Why are you here?

SPEAKER_01

Well, well, we ain't gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_03

My my family is from Sumter. Like Sumter South, bro. I looked it up. Yeah, man. Oh, bro, they had us.

SPEAKER_01

Had us for a little minute. Oh man.

Ja Rule, Safety, And Being A Citizen

SPEAKER_03

But speaking of having a little minute, Tori Lane's appeal got dismissed. He had a moment of momentum. I think this is the perfect, like, and I think this drives the point home for people. Yo, start cooperating with the police if you ain't doing anything, bro. All the way from the beginning.

SPEAKER_04

All that, well, hey, what'd he say? His lawyer told him to stay silent.

SPEAKER_03

Nah, bro. You gotta advocate for yourself. He should have got on that stand. He should have said, like, because all this is avoidable.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, because he also, the court in their dismissal of the pill was like, although we did, although we had trial mishandlings, none of them were enough for us to acquit you of the the crimes of like, no, the jury still thinks you know you're at fault. And it's like I'm not here to talk about whether Victory shot her or not. I'm here to talk about mishandling of trials and the whole way that whole court case went down on both ends was trash. On Tori and Megan's side, that was garbage. And the jury's the judges' side, that was trash.

SPEAKER_03

Bro, these people are getting paid off, bro. These people are getting paid off everywhere, dog. I knew it when I was in, listen, I'm not gonna tell you the bar, but I was under I was under H and I slipped the guy some money, and he just looked out of the way. Yeah. If it can happen at that level with 20 bucks.

SPEAKER_04

Imagine what a hundred thousand can do.

SPEAKER_03

Imagine what a hundred thousand a mil can do, bro. You know what I mean? People ain't playing about this cheddar, bro. They'd do anything for it, bro. And that's the scary thing about this situation. I really hate the situation because they have a a witness that's not a part of any part of anybody's party. He literally saw, and this is the witness's statement, not mine's, he saw two women fighting. Hey. That should be enough, man. That should be enough right there.

SPEAKER_04

There's a lot. There's there's a lot. First, it was, I don't know who shot me, then it was he told me uh, he was shooting at the floor, telling me to dance, then go to the other bar. It was a lot. I like I said, I just don't like how the trial was handled on both ends from all parties. And the end result of mismanaging this by the judge, Tori, and Megan was Tori in the W. Yeah. That's I hope this is a lesson for anybody else who is gonna find themselves in a situation. Once again, if you know you didn't do it, you gotta advocate for yourself a little harder.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you can't stay behind some image, bro. An image not gonna protect you from anything. Like, they don't care what happens to you, bro. I be saying this shit about fighting and fighters. It's just like artistry as well. Nobody cares what happens to the artists if they don't make it, if they don't succeed. We can get another one. We can just get another one. So it's crazy to see, sad to see that Megan Estallion's dealing with a lot. She had to go to a treatment center. She's dealing with a situation with a blogger, Malago Grams. She was dealing with people making adult content, deep fakes and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04

We are moving into the AI world, and so the deep fakes have been an issue for like two years now. That's just not cool. That's just not cool. It is not it's already not cool to post porn of other people in the first place, whether it was real, but to go out of your way and make AI porn of people. We uh this is why I want old people out of government because they're slow on the uptake on a lot of this stuff. We need AI laws now. Like we need AI laws before AI got big. Now AI is big and it's not controllable, and there needs to be uh severe punishments because the stuff is easy to do and it can ruin people, it can ruin their mental health, their public image. So definitely, I do hope that this court case gets handled correctly. That is crazy.

Sports Crossovers And Cultural Synergy

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's it's it's while this is what's going on now. Like when I have kids, I'm not posting my kids because of that. It's too many weirdos out here. They got time, they behind these screens. It's gonna get worse with AI and VR and stuff like that. We gotta set clear restrictions and really just make sure everybody knows what they're doing out there, man. It's crazy. How do you feel about the 6ix9ine situation?

SPEAKER_04

Weren't we just talking about him the other week? Like, don't I when I was like, you know, don't know what he's up to, glad he's alive though, because for a couple years, didn't know if he would be. He always got something going on.

SPEAKER_03

Bro, they let him on stream, and I guess he's found his lane, bro. I'm not gonna lie, like he's on the stream fucking around with all those streamers, saying all this wild shit. But because he's making all this clout, making all this, you know, get his name out there, somebody ran. Up in his crib, bro. Speaking of the same shit to Shador. Really? Yeah, they ran into his crib the first game he started.

SPEAKER_04

Speaking of streaming on one, because it is the new wave, and I'm glad people are realizing the money potential. And if you're an artist, we gotta get a lot of people don't give DDG his props for a lot of shit. His wave that he started on new YouTube, the streaming bag that he got into and putting other artists on and now they're doing it. I mean, like he did it, C Payne's done it, but really like DDG is not really helping that they have the non-usual artists do it. But streaming is not safe. Streaming is very dangerous, and if you do not know what you're doing, you just think, oh, it's boot up a camera and let's just go talk to people. You will get doxxed, you will have your address leaked. The internet is a place where if you're gonna make money off of it, you gotta take a lot more precautions. 6ix9ine does have the personality too, be aware. I'm not surprised if he's doing well. 6ix9ine, that was 6ix9ine's run, right? 6ix9ine's whole run was just saying out of pocket shit. Yeah, just clout clout crazy content and getting clicks and views, and that's what made him popular. But he already knew the trouble with doing that in person to people, right? And so now he's online. Maybe he felt safe again to act like that. But streaming is not, especially in the environment y'all like these are. You're not regular everyday people. Y'all got ops. Y'all got people who want to find you, y'all got people who want to rob you because of the persona and personality that you've portrayed. Uh, so you are giving them leverage. Um, but yeah, that's it's it's probably not gonna be the only time it happens.

Censored Comedy, Media Literacy, And Power

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, bro. I hope he got the bread for some security. I feel like that situation's not gonna stop. I feel like they're starting to target these kids, these streamers, for real. Like in a heavier way, like on the crime side, like they're starting to target these boys.

SPEAKER_04

So you understand the money being flexed. They're like, oh, you make a million dollars a month off of Twitch?

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Now they're gonna follow the young boy with the camera home. Mm-hmm. So, like, it I'm gonna say this publicly, people, when you're starting to do this content shit, bro, be very careful. I remember I used to have like all my I used to I used to walk around, not walk around, but I used to have a podcast set up and I go do video video podcasts and run up on people in LA and do uh episodes like I did an episode in somebody's kitchen before. Like you know, I was doing an uh episode with a business owner, and that's a risk though. Anything could have happened.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_03

I was ready. I wore my I wore my Tim's every time I went out. But like I I accept. On both ends, too, right?

SPEAKER_04

Like he's inviting you in, you're going to it's a risk. Streamers have been publicly attacked. Streaming, live streaming. Now, on both ends, some people have been live streaming has kept them safe in those instances because this person now knows they're being recorded. But some people, you streaming has allowed you to be found for people to attack. So it's it's definitely don't do stuff alone, I would say, for anyone out there who wants to do content and do stuff like that. You're going to do stuff live and you're going to be outside or whatever the case, just take precautions. People are weird.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, people are aware, man. But hey, Max B is home. I never knew who Max B was. I had to do some research.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Legendary rapper, or originator of a certain flow, um, the wave god, wavy legacy. And he's just known for like you know, intense charisma in his flow in that air, in that in that uh zone over there. Like, he's big. How long is he uh locked up? For a minute. Oh 16 years, maybe so you know, I mean it's uh let's see what he does. Like, I don't I don't know, bro. It's crazy to see like.

SPEAKER_04

And it's actually gonna relate back to Tory, so he's gonna be jail for 10 years. Do you think that they should come out and continue music, or you think they should just live out their life?

SPEAKER_03

So for Tory, he's gonna come out, he's gonna be like 30 plus, right? Right. I don't know, bro. Like, Max B, I was gonna speak on it. It's like I'm I'm not cool with somebody 40 plus wearing a ski. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know I'm glad you're home. Like, I'm glad you're out of jail. I know you're a legendary figure in hip-hop, but like there has to be some maturation with these guys. Like, there's no way a 40-year-old man looks in the mirror, puts his ski on, and then a chain on and claps himself on the back. Like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_04

I'm just thinking of all the things that happened over the last 16 years. I'm just like, you've missed out on. Like, this was like watching DMX get out and like on the computer had an iPad at him, and they were like, Yeah, what is this, right? Like, but I think if you're a rapper, I think it's hard. If you're a singer, and I think Tori, this is with his benefit. Tori doesn't have to come out a job be a rapper. Tori can forever stay in the pop RB bag and be fine.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he doesn't, and that's how Drake stays long too, right? Like, that's some sexy songs for you, like that's quality music, but entirely different lane. Right. And then he can wrap when he wants when he wants. So, like, it's uh it's easier for rappers like them to do it, but we'll see what Max B does. I am a fan, we will see what he does, but I hope you tighten up, man. Like, like you wasn't you you're dressing like you don't give a fuck about going back in or something shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you just got out of jail, the first thing you do putting on a ski is crazy combination to me, bro. Like, like just to go from the correctional off, like you get out of your shit, you wear your other shit.

SPEAKER_04

First on the car, and the car was like, hey, we got you. Here's the ski, here's the chain, put these on before we get back out.

SPEAKER_03

Here's the ski. Like, uh, I just did a big and the first thing you hand me is a fucking ski. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04

Give me a freaking big Mac. But no, these are like we talk about these are the people they let out, right? These are the people they're okay with being out. Not that I say like he should have been. Oh, if he did his time, he did his time, but like these are the people that are willing. These aren't people that are gonna come out into the street and like make positive change.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they be trying to kill those inside. And like, oh, whoa, whoa, you're gonna learn the skills and shit, though. Oh, no way.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You gonna do something different when you come out?

unknown

Nah.

SPEAKER_03

Fuck that. We gonna let the drugs come into the system. Like, it's drugs all over the prison. Go ahead. Absolutely. Maybe active addicts that never like they never have to go to rehab or anything because the prison is full of drugs. Like, and people proudly be talking about yeah, I can get weed in here, I'd be blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_04

I'll be on my cell phone, I'll be doing it. Like, yo, someone knows.

Tory Lanez Appeal, Courts, And Clout

SPEAKER_03

Welcome to the Matrix. The steak is a steak, bro. They just put you there, bro. You're a little uh I mean I'm not even gonna I don't want to joke about it, but like you're a literal slave if you go to prison. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no way around it. They created it right after slavery for a reason. They just made more groups involved. Like, all right, come on, white dude.

SPEAKER_04

Now you you know that's why they private and and it it's privatized, like slave ownership was, because this was the equivalent. Like, for those who do not know, or you like you don't pay attention to history, you don't read the police and the prison system are the after-effects of slavery to continue keeping minorities locked up and controlled. Like, and if you don't know, which is why the arrest rate of minorities is drastically higher than white people, even though white people are more of the population, it's because those areas where they live are policemen because they spend a hundred plus years putting them specifically in certain neighborhoods so that they know where to go when they need people to fill up prisons.

SPEAKER_03

Like it's police policing came directly after slave catching. You can go from slave catching to being a policeman. That is the history of police work in America. Slavery and the new Jim Crow and Jim Crow itself, and then the war pr the war on prison and the war on drugs. These are different era the crack era, like these are different things and two wars. This is the things that black people went through as we get through that.

SPEAKER_04

So the war on black people never act.

SPEAKER_03

It never ended up.

SPEAKER_04

It never ended. It never started. Why are you trying to acting like civilized everyday people when it's like your community has not been actively at war with the country that you were brought to for since you've been brought here. Since you were weak.

SPEAKER_03

We came here, we set the foundation, and then we continue to be innovation in every field. It must be a headache. Like you keep yeah, bro, bro, imagine you keep throwing oppression at somebody, these keep making cool shit. Like, it's crazy. So Yeah, and crack didn't crack wasn't enough. They're like, couldn't even say somebody throw a quarter zip over there. Hey. Yeah, that we gotta change it. You gotta change them up.

SPEAKER_04

That shit's wild. Like, yo, opium worked in China. Why isn't why's crack not working on the black people's hair? It's just like yo. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03

I get that population down. Man versus woman. Wait, fresh and fit. We gotta give y'all a bag again. Hey. Come here, Fresh. Speaking of, we're gonna talk about that out there. I mean, listen, real, those boys are clowns, real.

SPEAKER_04

No, it's not about fresh and fit. It's about another podcast.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. We can talk about it later. Yeah. Hey, let's let's talk about this Drake situation. He sat down with Complex. He talked about the roll life or the rollout for Iceman and what he's trying to do. And how he even admitted, like he talked about how he missed the number one spot because he's trying to perfect the live streaming aspect of the Iceman rollout. So it's good to see that he's just trying something new. This is innovative. We said this from the start, it's fresh. I really liked it. I I could take I wouldn't mind if he did the whole album like this, right? Where it's it's cut and clean, though, like it's a film. Right? The whole album is a visual album. Make it a project, I got it. But make it a project. And it's you know, album quality, uh studio quality music behind it. And I think that's what it's gonna hit into. It's gonna be an edited movie of all these parts, but with each song at album clarity.

SPEAKER_04

I just like I mean, it's fun when people give us good music, but I like seeing artists have fun making music before they give it to us. Like I like seeing the creative process and watching them do it. Drake's having fun. He's being experimental, he's enjoying what he's doing. This is what I like to see.

SPEAKER_03

And that's the thing about uh Drake in all these situations. Like, like everything that's ever happened to him in his career just fueled his success more. The writing, the writing allegations fueled him more. The situation with Pusha T fueled him more. He had his most dominant year the same year he he dealt with Pusha T. He won a Grammy, right? So even with the Kendrick situation, he had two number twos top ten. He's the most streamed artist now, and now he's working on another project. He's outworking these guys, and that's the problem with dealing with somebody who's talented but is uh dedicated to the craft, right? LeBron's passing people just because he's here another year. Drake will pass you just because he's here another year. Yeah. No, no, that's it. Back the back music, like some sexy songs for you, then Iceman. No matter when we get it, it's a it's a short time frame, especially after all that beef.

SPEAKER_04

And actually, I think he should especially to run up some like numbers for like a year thing. I genuinely actually think he should wait and drop it in January. And the reason for that, I just saw a list the other day and it was like, oh, like top streamed uh rap albums for 2025, and you know, Drake was Drake stuff was a little lower, and I was like, oh, you know, a little Kendrick. And it's like, well, some sexy songs for you isn't listed as a rap album, it's an RBN album. So and we're at the tell end of the year, but I think he should drop something for 2026 and just own 2026 with Iceman.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, it's up to him. It's really up to him. I think he's about to get into a collab bag. I think he's about to run up some features. I think that's what's gonna happen next. I think he's building up uh before after? After.

SPEAKER_04

After. You think he went back into the the UK bags? They've had a year.

AI Deepfakes, Harassment, And Law

SPEAKER_03

So they've had a yeah. Oh, yeah. He's gonna do something with Dave. He's gonna do something with he's gonna do something with that sector for sure. He's gonna do something with Lotto, he's probably gonna do something with Glorilla. It looks like he's gonna do something with Sexy Red. You know, every time he gets with Sexy Red, it's a slapper club song. So we're gonna see what he does. I think uh, but we also are gonna start seeing Drake pull away from music. Like, this is his last album with UMG. He applied for the appeal, so the court situation is still up in the air, and this is his last album with them anyway. Like, even if he puts the album out and you know, he loses the case, he's done with EMG. And I think a bunch of shit will come out the woodwork after that. Actually, with that in mind, drop it this year.

SPEAKER_04

Let this year be his last. Don't be attached to EMG going next year. Drop the album this year. 2026 is a brand new fresh year. You know what I would love to see from Drake because someone at his height is able to do it. Do not sign another deal.

SPEAKER_03

He shouldn't sign any other deal. I think he should just go off on his own business. I think he needs to put money into his own artists. I think the best thing, smartest thing he could do after this beef and after leaving U of G is to drop an OVO album playlist.

unknown

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04

Yes. Why is it that Dreamville is the only group dropping collective music that is actually quality and good and working together? I need an OVO.

SPEAKER_03

I need an OVO and Drake. You don't have to sing. Let them sing.

SPEAKER_04

You just rap.

SPEAKER_03

You just rap.

SPEAKER_04

You just rap. All you do, Drake, is sign RB artists and then you want to be on the hook too. Let that go. You know. You're not locked up with Young Money no more. You don't have to be the hook guy. And that was yo, but he never lied. You were fine if Drake was on the hook, but Drake, you you signed these artists. Let because who's on who's this last sign? Wasn't it like Forbatts?

SPEAKER_03

So Four Bats did a distributing deal. It was like a distributing situation. So it wasn't like a real He's not like he's he's not a part OVO. He did a, you know, they did it. So I basically I think they just did it for the first song. Remix that song.

SPEAKER_04

That's fine, but you have the opportunity, you know, it could be OVO and Friends. I don't care. Get them on a track, get some quality music out. You can have features of other people right now on OVO, but it would be nice because you have the talent to do a straight OVO only, you know, album mixtape, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_03

I think Drake should start picking up some rappers, bro. Think he should start picking up some rappers. He should start in Toronto, obviously, and going from like he should start switching over to labels. Like he should start really getting into the label game or really getting into entertainment. Like, I think he needs to start taking a step back from music after this.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

And I think he should drop like a much way more mature album, like in 40, 41, 42, like when he's around Danny.

SPEAKER_04

But he's you know, Drake's never gonna take a year off. I think from music he's never like I would be okay if he like stopped music, but you know, he like you said, did a film, did a show, did a small project, worked in a background for some other people, and then dropped an album in two years, and we got a two-year break, but he was doing other stuff. But I don't think he would even be willing to take a year off of music.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, bro, they gave him a lot of ammo.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, like the subject material writes itself, bro. Like, I don't care what anybody says, the amount of people that dissed him within the same around a time around each other is probably the most like lopsided I ever seen someone be attacked. Like, how alright, so I'm beefing with Kendrick, but ASAP just drops something, Future has two albums saying something, Metro has a problem, Rikorovsky. KIA has a problem, Rick Ross has a problem, and music with it, a bunch of people in the street. The weekend has a problem, and he's uh showing up at the pop out doing whole shit. Like, I'm sorry, bro.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, that was so that's the most embarrassing side. Like, y'all want to talk about keeping things straight, and that's not cool, and that's not the game, and all this stuff. The most embarrassing side was jumping somewhere.

6ix9ine, Streaming Risks, And Security

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, we had Kendrick deny, and he denied being a part of a black moment, right? Far as uh for uh far as uh biggest the Super Bowl, what is that song? With Drake and J. Cole, that's what people say that's the start of everything. Right, right. He uh he invited Kendrick to be on that song. He said no. And then he dropped like that. Right. And then J. Cole drops seven minute freestyle, then takes it back, and then Jay Drake drops this shit, and then we go back and forth, and then we see some of the craziest things we've ever seen as far as hip-hop. And I really truly think the separation is clear now. Right. Who's on whose side? Who's on whose side, and what do we really care about? Because people keep telling me about lyricists and this and that, and this matters, but like y'all not buying it. Y'all not buying it. No, y'all not streaming it.

SPEAKER_01

It's not like y'all care about sides, but like scissors doing what she wants. Bro.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, that scissors situation is crazy, bro. That situation is crazy, bro. Giving our two cents to the dogs for all the change, bro. And then you don't think I'll flex on this. Like, once we trend for this shit, they'd be like, Y'all broke. I'm like, Yes, I am. You got me. Oh. Absolutely. Absolutely. They got the quarter zip right here. And the matcha on the side.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, I never drink matchup. I need to actually go buy one of those. I think the quarter zip is a nice uh attachment to any black man's wardrobe. And once I get my glasses and throw the quarter zip on.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, the glasses is like chef kits. Yeah, no, no, no. They're like one of the best accessories I ever got. I was so glad when I got them. People are gonna do that. You gotta get something that's like, oh, is that Harry Potter? Oh wait, it's a black guy. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04

I'm gonna do that next year for Halloween. Actually, I decided I was gonna uh rock uh Philo Hogwarts, you know? Well, you gonna be Harry? No, not Harry. I'm just I'm gonna just be, you know, a wizard, you know.

unknown

Alright.

SPEAKER_02

You know, tap in, bro. You know, I want to be on Gryffindor, you know, shout out to them boys on the Wizard side, man.

SPEAKER_03

Shout out Wizards of Weary Place. Shout out Charm.

SPEAKER_02

You know, shout out everybody, uh Halloween town, shout out everybody, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03

You know, uh Bewitched, Sabrina, yeah, hey, hey, yeah, banger show, right? Fire. And good show. Anyway, thank y'all for tapping.