Duel of the Scores: Ranking the Best of John Williams

This week on Films and Fermentation, we're diving into the legendary music of John Williams and attempting the impossible: ranking our five favorite scores from a career that basically soundtracked modern cinema. From sharks and space wizards to dinosaurs, superheroes, and archaeologists with questionable workplace safety habits, Williams has spent decades living rent-free in our collective ears. We’ll debate which themes soar highest, which scores deserve more love, and whether humming the Imperial March automatically improves any argument. Expect nostalgia, hot takes, and at least one moment where someone accidentally conducts an imaginary orchestra while holding a beer. So grab a drink and join us as we celebrate the man who somehow convinced entire generations that French horns possess magical powers.

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SPEAKER_03 0:01

Greetings, humans. I come in peace to end with podcasts. Welcome to Pop Nation Media, home of the KJNA podcast, the Undiscovered Entrepreneur, Monster Island Film Vault, Cthulhu Jack Presents, and Films and Fermentation. All streaming exclusively on Woku.

SPEAKER_06 2:00

Tonight's special episode. We're calling this one Duel of the Scores because tonight we are going to be doing our personal top five rankings of the best of John Williams scores. And yes, it is as difficult as it sounds to create a top five ranking of John Williams scores. Again, we are Films and Fermentation Movie and Alcohol Podcast, number one beer podcast on Good Pods, and as always, the number one TV and film podcast in Madagascar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:31

I'm Kevin.

SPEAKER_06 2:32

I'm Mike. We're three friends that talk shit about movies while getting shit faced. This week on Films and Fermentation, we're diving into the legendary music career of John Williams and attempting the impossible, ranking our five favorite scores from a career that basically soundtracked modern cinema. From sharks and space wizards to dinosaurs, superheroes, and archaeologists with questionable workplace safety habits, Williams has spent decades living rent-free in our collective ears. We'll debate which themes tour highest, which scores deserve more love, and whether humming the Imperial March automatically improves any arguments. Expect nostalgia, hot takes, and at least one moment where someone accidentally conducts an imaginary orchestra while holding a beer. So grab a drink and join us as we celebrate the man who somehow convinced entire generations that French horns possess magical powers. Don't forget to drop us an email at films of fermentation at gmail.com or visit linktree.com slash films of fermentation. Find all of our social media and podcast links. Thank you to all the people who submitted uh responses for tonight's episode. You'll be hearing your shout outs at the end of our main segment. Uh we are on the PodNation Media Network on Roku exclusively, as well as on YouTube and Rumble. And we are an independent podcast, which means we are listener supported. So please consider joining our Patreon for as little as a dollar a month. Receive members only content. I recently posted some new content on there. Uh don't forget you can buy our merchandise at Teespring or text us at 904-867-4466. What are we drinking tonight, my friends? I'm going last this time. Oh, going last. I'll go first because I very often don't go first, even though my voice is the one you hear most often, and people tell me to shut the fuck up on the show. Uh I am like Kevin was doing earlier this month, uh emptying out the beers, getting rid of some of the ones that I still have in there. So I'm drinking the last two Mudhen Brewery, uh Mudhead original ales that I have from uh Mudhead Brewery in Wa in uh Wildwood. I have two left, and I'm drinking those two, at least those two tonight. Maybe more, we'll say. So, Michael, are you doing your uh blind barrels again?

SPEAKER_02 4:47

I'm on my last blind barrel that we haven't had. Uh so uh this is from where we were at uh 17. Uh this is uh Pinhook True Small Batch Lime Barrels Blend uh from Pinhook Whiskey in Frankfurt, Kentucky. 115 um proof, six years old, uh with 35% corn, 15% rye, 10% malt and barley.

SPEAKER_06 5:27

115 proof you're gonna like tonight.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Uh let me go see what that was.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

Okay. Shall we pause or give me a minute or so? All right. So, Kev, you wanted to go last, so why don't you tell us why?

SPEAKER_05 5:44

Well, uh I don't know if I mentioned this in previous episodes recently, but uh my father has been traveling a lot in the past few years. He just recently returned from a trip to uh from Scotland and Ireland, and um he's a generous, generous father. Uh, he decided to uh come back with this. Oh, oh that's why he's oh it's not a s it's it's not an air for uh an airline bottle. This is oh that's a big bottle. A big bottle.

SPEAKER_06 6:19

A kill island distillers at Chill.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

At Chill. Okay, yeah, island distillery, single pot still Irish whiskey, uh 40 uh 47 alcohol by volume. Uh distilled matured and bottled on Atchill Island, aged in a sherry and bourbon cask. This is batch number one, and I'll read the small little description on the back. You'll have to um forgive me, some of the Irish pronunciations are uh tough for me. Uh matured to perfection on Achill Island in County Mayo. This rare island whiskey is a the first single pot still to be distilled, matured, and bottled on the island. Uh, Drio Glan Olin Acia is a family-run distillery located in the heart of the wild Atlantic Way. The wild Atlantic waves, sea air, and moderate temperature combine to give a distinct maturation climate exclusive to Achille Island. Like our famous basking sharks off the shores of Achille. This island single pot still is smooth and tranquil spirit with an abundance of vigor. Vigor.

SPEAKER_06 7:32

Vigor has not been we have had international products on this show before, but this is the first one to actually travel internationally on a commercial flight into our hands.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

One of five.

SPEAKER_06 7:47

Yeah. And we do have some listeners in Ireland and Scotland. So if anybody needs to uh correct your pronunciation, yeah, exactly. If anyone feel free to comment on this episode, I thought you were Irish to begin with, Kevin.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

You can't even speak.

SPEAKER_07 8:02

He can say slansha.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

This may not even happen if I can't get the damn thing open.

SPEAKER_06 8:18

Well, Kevin struggles with that. We'll play Mike's theme song. How's that?

SPEAKER_05 8:22

I don't want to shake you too much. It's carbonate. I'm just kidding. Something's wrong with if it's carbonate or whiskey.

SPEAKER_06 8:29

All right, let's play Mike's one real quick. Thank God I'm deaf in my right ear because I just had my levels off again and pretty much blew out my left ear. Go ahead, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

1942. Miss Minerva, based on a novel by Jan Jan Struther, directed by William Weiler and starring Greer Garson and Walter Pigeon. It's released in the U.S. Best Picture, 1943. Again, not one I'm very familiar with. Next one's uh cool one. Oh yes. 1952, first national televised sporting event. Jersey Joe Walcott defeats Ezard Charles in 15 rounds for the heavyweight boxing title in municipal stadium in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

I remember sitting in the audience for that fight, man. It was quite the Donny Brooke. You call me old. Yeah. It's quite the Donny Brook. It was a real barn burner. I don't know. Which is more interesting. Me actually doing my segment or watching Kevin. Yeah, I know. Like you're reading and I'm lamping in the background, like because I'm watching him struggle to get this fucking courtship.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

He just went the whiskey.

SPEAKER_06 10:02

He can't even get he's still trying to get the wax off of it.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

You know, you know, go get Nolan. I'm sure he can open it because it's child proof.

SPEAKER_06 10:12

You don't got a little knife or something sharp, he can kind of like uh strike it with. Yeah, you go. Just don't cut your finger off trying to drink whiskey. Wait till after you're drinking whiskey to cut your finger off. It won't hurt as much.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Get it open that way you can sterilize your finger with it.

SPEAKER_06 10:33

While Kevin continues his struggle.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

1983, Octopussy, 13th James Bond film, starting Roger Moore, Maud Adams, and Lewis uh Jordan. Premieres in London.

SPEAKER_06 10:48

One of the greatest film titles of all time. He's almost there. No! Let's see if you can get the quirk out. I heard that pop. I heard that pop. Nice fresh pop. Let's see. Oh, here we go. We're getting the uh first swig here. Let's see how it goes. Give it a nice whisk whiff. You want to get a good good smell, man. Let it breathe. Let it breathe. Okay, maybe you didn't want it to breathe. It did ferment at 30,000 feet, so.

SPEAKER_05 11:34

It is smooth. No, it's really smooth. It's smooth. It's um I can taste the vigor.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

I can taste the whole 97% of that. Nice. That's awesome. That was a cool uh cool gift. It was a very good gift. Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

1988, Big film directed by Cindy Marshall and starring Tom Hanks, premieres in the US.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

I saw a video the other day on I think it was on Instagram. It was like uh if Big was made in 2026, and you see the woman drop him off at home at the end of the movie, and he's the little kid in the big suit, and then she goes to turn around and leave, and and Chris Hansen from To Catch a Predator walks out. Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

1989, Dead Poet Society, directed by Peter Weir and starring Robin Williams and Ethan Hawk, premieres in the US.

SPEAKER_06 12:36

So one of the podcasts I listen to uh a lot that does like director filmographies all the time, they just finished the series on Peter Weir. Man, he has so many movies that I fucking love. He directed Witness, he directed Dead Poet Society, he directed Truman Show, he directed um oh god, I can't remember. Like, there's so many that were like great movies I didn't even realize he was behind. And I just watched one the other night that I'd never seen before, and I'm sorry that I didn't watch it sooner. Master and Commander for our side of the world with uh Russell Crowe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was amazing, it was so good, and it's a Peter Peter weird film. And I was like, fuck man, I wish I watched this like 20 years ago when it first came out.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

Is there only one Master and Commander movie, or is it like a series?

SPEAKER_06 13:22

It's a book series. There's like 20 books in a series. The movie is like the seventh or eighth book. They kind of like leave out a lot of like his early career and just get the right when he's the captain. Um, but you don't really need the backstory. It's really like it fills in a lot of the blanks very easily, and it's a really, really good movie. And it was supposed to be a series of films, but it didn't do very well at the box office.

unknown 13:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 13:46

Got a lot of a lot of Oscar nominations, but not a lot of box office. So it's a shame because it was a really good movie. And um uh Paul Bettney's in it, uh, very, very early role for him, and he's really good in it. Uh next one.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

1998. The Truman Show. It's released starring Jim Carrey, Laura Lenny, and Ed Harris.

SPEAKER_06 14:11

Probably one of I'm sorry, go ahead. Also a Peter Weir film.

SPEAKER_05 14:14

Yes, probably one of the few um Jim Carrey movies I can appreciate because it's not it is his shtick, but it's so confined, you know, it's very limited. It you can actually see the emotion and the growth of the of the character he's playing, whereas it's not just the alrighty then, you know.

SPEAKER_06 14:36

When he when he tries to play serious, he's usually pretty good. And um this was so yeah, you're correct. Like it's his usual shtick, but very muted because it's kind of like his shtick is what makes his character so likable and like and like unique and like innocent compared to everybody else around who was lying to him the whole fucking time.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Right.

SPEAKER_06 14:58

And uh Ed Harris in this movie is so fucking good, he's so good in this movie. Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

In 2002, Born Identity, directed by Doug Lehman and starring Matt Damon premieres in Los Angeles, California.

SPEAKER_06 15:17

I I like the the Born Identity. I I have not really seen the other born movies. I've saw I've seen this one, and I I kind of like it. But the only thing I ever really think about when I see Born Identity is uh in 40 Year Old Virgin. Uh Paul Rudd's watching it on one of the TVs in the electric store, and he turns to his friend and he goes, I used to think Matt Damon was kind of like a Barbara Streisand, but he's really kicking ass in this.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

I was just gonna say, when you saw, you know, um when you saw oh I can't think of the one he did with uh Ben Affleck, the one that got him in the Academy Award. Goodwill hunting. Goodwill hunting. Did you think action star then? No, because I didn't.

SPEAKER_06 15:57

Especially when you look at his 90s movies, like he was you know a young up-and-coming actor. It was like him and and and Affleck and uh Chris O'Donnell and Ed Norton or all these young guys all fighting for the same parts, and then yeah, in a 2000 he like turned into an action star. And now he can kind of do anything. I really can't wait for fucking Odyssey. I'm so excited to see the Odyssey. Uh and uh we got two more.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Go ahead. Yeah, the next one's for Kevin. Uh 2004, Ken Jennings begins his 74-game winning streak on the syndicated television show Jeopardy.

SPEAKER_05 16:32

He's a good host. He was a great player. He's a very good host, though. He's very likable, you know.

SPEAKER_06 16:41

I mean, you're following up Trebek, which is a tough act of beginning with.

SPEAKER_05 16:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:47

Um, but yeah, I kind of like you know who else they were talking about at first as a possible uh person to take over was LeVar Burton. That would have been good. Oh, awesome, and then it just never worked out for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_05 17:00

I had heard that they were trying to give him a trivial pursuit type game.

SPEAKER_06 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:05

Yeah, but I haven't heard much about that lately.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

No, and they had talked about him with Jeopardy, and I don't know why it never happened. I thought he would have Recost. But Ken Jennings is pretty good too. I like Ken Jennings.

unknown 17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Uh no, next one, sir. Last one in 2024 at 98. Actor and comedian Dick Van Tyke becomes the oldest winner of a daytime Emmy for his guest performance in Days of Our Lives.

SPEAKER_06 17:27

Still going strong at like 101 years old now or something. Like he's kicking it. All right, now that Kevin's finally got his whiskey open, he can now tell us about some beer.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Okay, it just came out today. All right. Additionally, I have two stories that are remarkably close in um theme, I guess. But we'll start with this one. Uh IU scientists team up with a brewery to create America 250 beer made from a 250-year-old tree. In Bloomington, Indiana University, PhD students are creating something unique that's part science experiment, part history lesson in honor of America's 250th birthday. They teamed up with a local brewery to make a colonial era beer with wild yeast from 250 from a 250-year-old tree. The revolutionary project is underway in a biochemical, I'm sorry, biochemistry lab in at Indiana University, pairing modern and colonial era science. Students who use yeast to study cellular growth of cancer are now using it to tap into history in a toast to America's birthday. We are celebrating the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, said Matthew Bachman, associate professor of uh molecular and cellular chemistry, biochemistry, I should say. And we wanted to come together and make a founding father's colonial era style beer. Bachman, who is home brewer on on the side, uh, so occasionally in the lab, they collaborate with local breweries for fermentation studies. And this is this one is special. It's a historical beer made by Upland Brewing called Declaration of Fermentation. Using wild yeast using wild yeast collected from a 250-year-old tree on the Indiana University campus. It's resurrecting flavors from the American Revolution. The brewers in Upland came up with the recipe that's sort of based on the 1776 ingredients and burring uh conditions, and we went yeast hunting and found a strain from a 250-year-old oak tree here on campus. The enormous burr oak sits near the student union. It's the oldest and most iconic tree at Indiana University. It's revolutionary era. That's tree. That tree was here when the founding fathers were doing their thing, Bachman said. Um we collected just a little sample of tree bark and enriched for the yeast that was uh that were there and found a winner. Uh, then they took the samples back to the lab, mixed it with their secret sauce, and that's all its thing. At that point, it's just basic molecular microbiology, like we're streak striking uh streaking out strains of on petri dishes, looking for streaking. I don't know if I'd want a beer that came out of a petri dish. And at the end of the day, you brew a beer. So you're probably wondering what does the 250-year-old tree taste like? Or at the very least, the yeast from it. Well, the scientists say it's actually pretty good. It's got a little bit of a smoked malt, pardon me, in it, so you get a little bit of a smokiness. Uh, I was getting campfire vibes, like you could sit out by your bonfire and have a few glasses of this beer, said Kannadi Shoemaker, a third-year IU PhD student in the biochemistry program. Uh, it was brewed with molasses, so you get some of the molasses flavors, and yeast itself is what you call a phenolic character. So it tastes a little bit like spicy bananas. Interesting. Uh very laid back flavor and not super harsh. Uh, you've got to love what we put together in what's really a crushable beer. Uh, at a spring brew fest declaration of Fermentation sold out. Upland made a 20-barrel batch that will roll out in late June. You'll have to find it on draft in local breweries. The team at IU surmises that the Founding Fathers would like it too. I think they would have enjoyed it. Shoemaker says, I think they would have loved it. Bachman says it's super drinkable. A taste of history with a modern twist, honoring America's 250th anniversary. So that's the first story about beer from a 250-year-old tree, which could have been brewed by George Washington himself when they found a recorded recipe for beer while leading a militia thanks to the New York Public Library. It is you can imbibe that history this summer. To celebrate America's 250th birthday, the library partnered with the brewery to produce The Founding Father's Beer, an updated version more pleasing for modern palates. In his 1757 military journal, then Colonel George Washington kept daily notes on life in the Virginia militia he led during the Seven Year War. Some writings, such as officers' commissions, orders, and the names of horses, was relevant to the battlefield. Other entries, including outlines for letters, were more personal. And then there was a recipe for small beer. Washington's handwritten instructions for brewing it were rather simple. Begin with sifting brand hops to your taste, boiling them for three hours, then straining 30 gallons into a cooler. Add three gallons of molasses while the beer is scolding hot, then let it cool. Till it till till it is little more than blood warm. And add a quart of yeast. Cover the mixture with a blanket if the weather is cold and then bottle it. The journal and recipe, digitized and viewable online, are kept in the New York Public Library, Manuscripts, and Archives Division. Now, in time for to celebrate America's 250th, the institution has partnered with a local brewery called Talia T-A-L-E-A. I've never heard of it. Beer Company to bring the beer back to life. Beer has played a huge role in the world history in world history from the dawn of civilization to pre-revolutionary America and into present times. And Bercyra, Bercira, a certified, oh my god, Cicero, a malier for beer, said in the library statement that that's the New York Public Library. And Talia created a unique beer inspired by historical documents from the collection that, in a wonderful way, to add an extra layer of context to the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. If you guys click on the link, you can actually see a scan of the recipe. Small beers were everyday drinks in the 1700s that served as safer alternatives to water, which often contain bacteria and spread a disease. If your entire garrison gets dysentery, that's a real liability. Meredith, the library's intern curator of manuscripts, tells the New York James Barron.

SPEAKER_06 25:28

He gives a new definition to beer shits.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

You kind of turned me off when I had to cut myself to test for my blood, how warm my blood used to go with that. Blood warm?

SPEAKER_06 25:40

What the how I was thinking, man, how badass is George Washington you write a beer recipe while leaving a militia. It's blood warm. And yeah, you also have to like take a blood sample and risk this interior.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

Fuck it. We're going anyway. While the brewing process usually killed unwanted bugs, it's a simple recipe meant uh meant that it tasted quite different from the beers modern drinkers are used to. This beer is a wee. George Washington didn't have that much to work with. Uh Leanne Darland, co-founder of Talia tells uh the news. He was making it in the field during a seven-year war. It's uh it is quite sweet, tastes very much like molasses, maybe like a funky syrup that could be a good tasting note.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Because he was soaking his shoe leather in it to get the color.

SPEAKER_05 26:38

That's why uh the brewery is also making a second drink called Liberty Lager, which is more akin to modern beers. It contains 6.5% alcohol, and its brewers describe its flavor as more subdued. It will be available at Talia Tap Rooms and New York City restaurants. We wanted to honor the recipe. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 26:58

We'll add it to the Quaker Rage lineup.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

Yeah, seriously. I only have a little more to go. Um we wanted to honor the recipe while also making something that people would want to serve at a barbecue or have more than one at uh when they come for trivia night. Tara Hankinson, Talia co-founder, tells the Times it still has the color, but it's refreshing with a little bitterness that makes it uh very food friendly. The New York Public Library is commemorating the nation's big birthday in several ways. Uh, Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Declaration of Independence will be on view for Nicholas Cage to Steel for free during the first week of July, and special edition library cards that feature the founding document will be available. The library has also compiled a reading list of 250 books that reflect and illuminate the American experience from a variety of perspectives. So, happy birthday, America.

unknown 27:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Movie updates with Leo, movie updates with Leo, movie updates with Leo, movie updates, Leo.

SPEAKER_06 28:11

So for before playing my song, I forgot I had an obituary on here. Marsha Lucas, first wife of George Lucas and Oscar-winning film editor for Star Wars and New Hope, passed away this week at 80 years old. She won an Oscar for Star Wars and New Hope, not George Lucas.

SPEAKER_07 28:33

The whole time they were married.

SPEAKER_06 28:36

And it's uh let's bring on the reboots, folks. Adam Drivers laid it to star in a fly reboot in 2028. This would be a reboot of the 80s David Cronenberg film starring Jeff Goldblum, which itself was a reboot of a 1953 film with Vincent Price. Oh, that'd be cool though. I actually would go see that. I want to no, I want what's his name, David Eggers. Uh early reports coming in of a they live reboot as well.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Hey, if there's not a wrestler playing the main role, I don't want to see it.

SPEAKER_06 29:14

Uh uh, there's no like cast like this is just like rumor that there's a reboot right now. Um what I read about it though, I'm like already like pissed off about what they were planning on doing with the plot. Uh John Cena. I want no Dave Batista. If it's gonna be a wrestler in a star role, it's gonna be Dave Batista.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Yeah, but he's too skinny now.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

So uh also there are talks in place for Zack Snyder to write and direct a reboot of Escape from New York. Why? They want to just kill all my favorite John Carpenter films, apparently. Um there's been talk about uh uh Escape from New York reboot for like 30 years now. It's always they're always talking about rebooting.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

If they want to reboot one, reboot Escape from LA and make it actually good.

SPEAKER_06 30:03

Well, there's also I also read something that he uh John Carpenter and Kurt Russell are in talks to like produce a uh a thing sequel. Uh which would kill the original because it was such an ambiguous ending.

SPEAKER_07 30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

Uh and I got a fun fact for Kevin uh tonight, because I'm not sure if this is something you you knew already, Kev, or not, but I'm gonna read it to you now. Uh I thought this was really cool because it it it uh brings together two things that are favorites of yours. Uh Christopher Reeve said that he modeled his performance of Clark Kent in the original Superman movie in 1978 on the performance of Cary Grant's Dr. David Huxley in bringing up baby.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Okay. Yeah. Even down to the costume. I I can I can see it with the hat and the glasses and the bumblingness of it all, you know, the stuttering to kind of get something out. I like that. That's a fun fact.

SPEAKER_06 31:01

And I I never knew that before either. And and when I saw that, I was like, I gotta give that to you because I know they're two of your favorite movies. That's a cool little fun fact.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

Uh guys know that I'm gonna double check on this. Today is also Keith David's birthday. Oh, look at that. Speaking of the thing. Speaking of the thing, when you said it sparked something I heard on the radio this morning, and I was like, wait a second, that was that was Keith David, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_06 31:27

Yes, he was Nate, they live and a thing. Uh one of my favorite character actors of all time. I fucking love Keith David.

SPEAKER_07 31:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Now what I uh I screwed up my drink for tonight because today is actually National Moonshine Day.

SPEAKER_06 31:43

Yeah, I know I got plenty of moonshine too.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

I think we just let's call the show. We're done. We screwed screwed up showing for joining us, folks.

SPEAKER_06 31:49

We'll do John Williams another time. Uh Mike, you have any must-they crafter brew. Oh, this is another uh one for Kevin, it sounds like another Kevin beer.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Yes, it is. This is Sierra Nevada's Bigfoot. It's one of the most influential American barley wines ever brewed. First released in 1983, it helped define the American-style barley wine by combining an enormous malt backbone with an aggressive Pacific Northwest hop bitterness. The beer profile style is American barley wine. The ABV is 9.6%, the IBU is 90%. The availability is seasonal, typically from January to April. The hops are Cascade, Centennial, and Chid Hook. The malt is two row pale and caramelized malts flavored. Expect a powerful beer with caramel and toffee malt sweetness, dark fruit notes such as raisins and figs, piney citrus hop character, a warm, a warming alcohol presence, a long, bitter sweet finish, aging. It has an aging pro uh potential.

SPEAKER_06 33:02

I see what they did there. The dark fruit notes and the pine and citrusy. It's all forest related.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

It is, it's like it's made for Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

But it does have an aging potential. Bigfoot is famous for cellaring. Um fresh bottles emphasize hot bitterness and citrus, while aged bottles develop richer notes, reminiscent of sherry, port wine, dried fruit, and caramel. Many enthusiasts buy multiple bottles and compare different vinegares over several years.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

This sounds like it's right up my alley.

SPEAKER_06 33:37

Yeah, from its ABB to its flavor to its name, to the picture of you on the bottle. This has been a whole have episode. Yeah. Yeah, uh, we're gonna take it we're gonna take a quick break. Uh well, during that break, I'm gonna be playing a little tribute to the music of John Williams because that is our main segment this evening.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Ladies and gentlemen, the president's own United States Marine Band. I'm the music director of the National Symphony Orchestra, Leonard Slackman.

SPEAKER_06 39:19

Michael, you came back just in time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

I timed it that's just a pause. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

So let me just do a little uh little breakdown here, real quick, before we get into our list. So we're talking about John Williams's scores tonight, and we are talking about we did a whole episode on his career earlier uh in our show's run. So tonight we're just doing our own personal top five rankings. But here's real quick first movie he ever scored was a movie in 1959 called Daddy O. Uh he did a bunch of other films in the 50s and 60s. Uh his first nomination for best score was in 1967 for Valley of the Dolls. Then he did Goodbye, Mr. Chips, and was nominated again in 1969 for a movie called The Reavers. The 70s is when business really picked up because he gets a nomination for Poseidon Adventure. He gets his first win for Fiddler on the Roof. He does The Long Goodbye, Sugarland Express, The Towering Inferno, Wins Again in 75 for Jaws, Family Plot, Wins Again for Star Wars in 1977, Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 77, he gets a nomination, Superman in 78, he gets a nomination. He does uh the Hammer Dracula film of Christopher Lee in 1979. In 1979, he also does 1941. In the 80s, he gets nominated for Empire Strikes Back in 80, Raiders of the Lost Ark in 81, ET in 82, he wins, nominated for Return to the Jedi in 83, nominated for Temple of Doom in 84. That's a streak there. And then he doesn't get nominated again until 1987 for The Witches of Eastwick, nominated in 87 for the Empire of the Sun, nominated in 88 for the Accidental Tourist, nominated in 89 for Born on the Fourth of July. In 1990, he gets nominated for Home Alone, nominated for JFK, nominated for Hook, does Home Alone 2, gets nominated for Jurassic Park the same year he gets nominated for Schindler's List, which he wins. And that was his last Oscar win. But he does get nominated at 95 in two separate categories for Sabrina for Best Score and Best Original Song. Nominated 96 for Sleepers. Then he does Seven Years in Tibet, nominated for Amistad 97, nominated at 98 for Saving Private Ryan. Nominated 99 for Star Wars Episode 1. Nominated in 2001 for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Sorcerer Stone. Also nominated in 2001 for The Patriot. Also nominated in 2001 for Angela's Ashes. I want to know who the fuck beat him in 2001. He got nominated three times. Artificial Intelligence AI in 2002, nomination. Minority Report 2002. Catch me if you can nomination. Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, another nomination. Revenge of the Sith, Memoirs of Agea, nomination. Munich nomination. Doesn't get nominated for Crystal Skull. Oh, come on. 2010s, nominated for The Adventures of Tintin, nominated for Warhorse, nominated for Lincoln, nominated for the Book Thief, nominated for the Force Awakens. Then he does the BFG, the post, gets nominated again for The Last Jedi, nominated for the Fable Mans, and nominated for Rise of Skywalker in 2019. The only good thing to come out of that film. And then in the 2020s, he gets nominated for Indiana Jones in the Dial of Destiny. And he's currently uh well they're the movie comes out this month. He did the score for Disclosure Day, the new Steven Spielberg film. He has the second most nominations of a single person in Oscar history with 54. He's five behind some guy named Walter Disney who has 59 nominations.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

Walter Disney.

SPEAKER_06 42:56

He has the most wins by a composer with five. But he also has the most losses in the history of the Oscars, too. But whatever. He got you know 54 nominations.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

It's an honor just to be nominated.

SPEAKER_06 43:09

Yeah, right. He is also the only person to ever be nominated in seven straight decades.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Here's my question though. Since you know Walter Disney's company now owns Star Wars, does some of them?

SPEAKER_06 43:27

Disney would tell you it does because they love that fucking shit. Uh so Entertainment Weekly earlier this year released their top 20 scores for John Williams. So I'm gonna read them real quick and we can compare our list to the to the Entertainment Weekly one. Their number one is Star Wars and New Hope, number two is Jaws, number three, Eatsy, number four, Jurassic Park, number five, Raiders. Number six, Empire Strikes Back, Number seven, Schindler's List, number eight, Superman. Number nine, Close Encounters, number ten, saving private Ryan, number ten, sorcerer stone, number uh Sorry, number 10, Saving Pride Riven, number 11, Sorcerer's Stone, uh, number 12, Catch Me If You Can. Number 13, Last Crusade, Number 14, AI, Number 15, Hook, Number 16, Fiddler on the Roof, Number 17, Phantom Menace, 18, Home Alone, 19, Far and Away, and Number 20, Memoirs of Agea. Far and Away is the one that kind of like pops out there to me. Yeah. Not my favorite. Uh so let's go to our own personal list then and see what we came up with. I struggled with this so badly.

SPEAKER_05 44:35

Are we reading them in the order in order of great, you know, best to least, or are we just putting we have our top five and just go with the top five?

SPEAKER_06 44:45

Yeah, I think I have mine ranked, but I mean we can just do it like whatever you want, like in any order. It doesn't matter. I mean, I feel like the three we're gonna probably all gonna have at least two, maybe three in common on our lists. Maybe all five. Maybe all five. We'll see. No, I definitely have to.

SPEAKER_05 45:01

I don't think anybody has my first. I don't think anybody has my first.

SPEAKER_06 45:05

Yeah, I definitely have one on my list that I don't think anybody else has. Um, so Kat, let's start with you then. I like that's a good tease. What's your number one?

SPEAKER_05 45:14

Uh it's not for a movie, but it's for an event. It's the 1984 Olympic anthem, which you hear all the time. I would play it, but I haven't didn't no no, that's not it. Um, I can't you could one of you guys look it up and and because I can't play anything with you know uh Prince Valium in the next room. Um John Williams, 1984, Williams 1984, Olympic theme.

SPEAKER_06 45:50

Here we go. Let's see. I have to uh let me share my screen so you guys can hear it too. Let's see, share screen, YouTube. Here it is. Oh, that's a commercial. Let's mute that fucking bullshit and then skip it.

SPEAKER_09 46:10

And then the president of the L A O L Crowd. Here is Mr. John Williams, well known composer, won Oscars and 14 Grammys, Golden Platinum Records, Jaws, Golden Counter, Superman, E.T. Return of the Jedi. Unfortunately, about to leave the Boston Cops. They didn't like to play as much pocket music as they wanted to. This is the Los Angeles Olympic theme.

SPEAKER_07 46:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 47:00

I got it now. I got it now. But I like I just like that there's this fucking guy giving commentary over the goddamn song. You're gonna hear this at all the Olympics, right? John Williams is like, I'm done listening to my bio being read here. I'm just gonna start. This guy's still reading all the names of movies. Right. I mean, he's you know, everything else.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

But it's still the theme used at the very least by NBC when they're promoting the Olympics, but it is so widely recognizable as the Olympic theme, you know? It's like the chariots of fire song.

SPEAKER_06 47:34

Yeah, like I once I heard it, I was like, Oh yes, now I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's a good one, man, because it is like a very outside the box one. It's not something you think about right away because you're you normally when you think scores, you think movies, but that's yeah, that's awesome. It's a really good one. Yeah, Michael, what's your number one? My number one? Mm-hmm. Wow. You have them rank or less, or you just want to give me one of them then.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

I'll just give you one. I went with you know, ones that are so iconic that you just hear the notes and you know where it's from. I go with this one first.

SPEAKER_06 48:21

That's of course Cutthroat Island.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

Oh that Gina Davis, what a mess.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Ah, no, Superman. Come on, no.

SPEAKER_05 48:35

So I was about to say, I didn't want to interrupt, but I was gonna say it it's generational because we are the generation of Christopher Superman. However, what I love, I mean, among other things about James Gunn's Superman was his bringing the theme back. And it wasn't it wasn't the you know full original, it was the pieces and and curtailing the pieces to what he needed. And I think I think he did an excellent job with it.

SPEAKER_06 49:02

Yeah, it was sort of like um a little bit of like a modernized version of the John Williams score where you still had the John Williams like signature that was brought into like the 21st century a little bit, and and I heard it in their first trailer.

SPEAKER_05 49:17

They played it at the end of the very first trailer, and I got freaking chills because they're like John Williams, yes, and the kicker, the kicker, like and it's not that that that uh large fanfare, it's the do do do do do do do do do you know that part, which we heard in the trailer that gave me the goosebumps on the back of my neck, you know. And don't get me wrong, Hans Zimmer did an excellent job with Man of Steel. It's it's really good for a Superman movie, but it's not the one I think of for the Superman movies, you know.

SPEAKER_06 49:49

Yeah, I I totally agree. And and that goes back to what I said in the intro about the French horns. Because that's like a little French horn intro in that song. Yeah, and that's yeah, it's it's uh so great. So I'm assuming Superman's your number two, Dev.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

Yeah, Superman is on my list. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_06 50:08

Superman is on my list too. I have it at my number five, though. Not my number one. My number one uh is from this little independent film called Star Wars. You want me to play it? Wait, I think I have it. Hold on. Nope, that's not it.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

Okay, right up.

SPEAKER_06 50:31

I do have the Superman theme. Yeah, because you can stop it. Yeah, I uh that's my number one is it is Star Wars and New Hope, the original, the original score, the original theme. Well, that's uh I can't not smile when I hear that. I remember when when I went to see Force Awakens, uh I went the opening weekend, I went by myself because you know I like to go see the movies before they get ruined by the internet. And uh, you know, this is before the bitterness that was Rise of Skywalker. I'm sitting here waiting for the Force Awakens to start. I was all I was still a little angry about like the fact that they weren't using the Timothy Zawn novels and all that stuff was like canceled out or doing something completely new. But I've tell you, as soon as that theme song hit at the beginning of Force Awakens, as soon as I heard that that humor note eight years old again. I I'm not afraid to say I cried a little bit. I got I teared up and my I welled up as I was hearing it. I was like, this is awesome, you know. Uh that was my number one. The song's still playing right now on my board.

unknown 51:49

I'll watch it.

SPEAKER_06 51:50

Um so you want to your number is Superman or two, or is that on your list?

SPEAKER_05 51:57

I know it's Superman was Superman was on my list, but it wasn't my number two. My number two is also a Star Wars theme. Um, but it wasn't our uh our the original trilogy. This game, one of the few good things I liked initially about the prequels was this duel of the fates. Yeah. I had that.

SPEAKER_06 52:18

I had the here. Let's play it a little bit. I'm gonna do commentary like a meal. I didn't see the light neighbors. This was one of my honorable mentions because I was trying to stick to just like full movie scores, but I knew one of you might have this on your list, so I wasn't too worried about it.

SPEAKER_05 53:21

It just ranks right up there with uh Carmina Barana, you know, the correl um the the crescendo that yeah, just that operatic opening.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

Yeah, yep. Yeah, I got the same feeling when I heard uh Hans Zimmer's Dune theme in the new theme. I had that like same kind of feeling because it's got that real like operatic opening. Uh my number two is Jaws.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Oh, I got that for you because it's on my list as well.

SPEAKER_06 53:56

Yeah, so that was my number two because it's two notes that cause so much dread. I know that's and it's kind of like I I I look at Jaws as like it's not just the movie that like that like created the modern summer blockbuster, it's the movie that made John Williams a household name.

SPEAKER_05 54:13

More than the music, the music was the character for uh over half the film until you actually get a chance to see the the shark. You know, the music carried it as the character, that's what you knew of the of the uh shark. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 54:30

I want to say I was listening to um so one of the podcasts I was to do rewatchables, they actually had Steven Spielberg on this week as a guest. And he was on to talk about his favorite film of all time, which is 2001 The Space Odyssey. But to hear him talk, because a lot of it was like breaking out into anecdotes and stuff, and to hear him talk about John Williams in his own films, it was like so fucking cool, man. So awesome. You know, and Jaws, especially like that. You know, how that theme pro theme song came to be, and you know, John Williams, like, trust me, Steven, this'll work. You know, he won an Oscar for it. Great one. Uh Mike, so you had Jaws. I I feel like we're not even like going back and forth anymore. We're just kind of like randomly throwing shit out. Yeah, yeah. I got two left on my list that we haven't gone through. Let me hear one of your next ones.

SPEAKER_07 55:27

As of course, uh Oliver. Close encounters of the third time. It's home alone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

One of the uh viewer or listener uh submissions was that film, but they wrote in the in the comment uh CE3K. And I'm looking at it and go, what the fuck, C3K? And like it didn't dawn on me at first that that was just him abbreviating closing counters the third time. I was like, I felt like such an idiot afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 56:01

But here's what I'll say for that for that movie. Um, I remember the chime really clear, great chime. I don't remember the the rest of the score.

SPEAKER_06 56:13

I mean, that's the thing I think most people when you hear that you you think of Close Encounters the third time.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Most of them uh that same set of notes but in different tones.

SPEAKER_06 56:26

Yeah, it's like it's kind of like darker. I want to see if I can get the actual main theme though, because I that's the one like I I don't know off the top of my head. And that's the one you probably should like that. So let's see here. Third year, close encounters a third kind theme song. Let's just hear what that is. Oh, there's a commercial again. Fucking YouTube. All right, here let me share my screen so we can hear this. So this is the uh intro theme song of the third time. Was that theme song. But I do think when I think of third kind, I do think of the alien chimes, yeah. Um what's another one you have?

SPEAKER_05 58:01

Um I'm gonna save that one for the end. The next one I have is E.T. Yes. Yeah, I don't have it. Obviously, I don't have it.

SPEAKER_06 58:12

I don't have it on my list, but I knew one of you guys would have it, so here it is.

SPEAKER_05 58:16

Not either.

SPEAKER_07 58:16

I have it.

SPEAKER_05 58:38

You could use this for Harry Potter and it would work.

SPEAKER_06 58:41

Yeah. Well, it's got that similar like sentiment to it, that little like violin and then the innocence to the song.

SPEAKER_05 58:49

And I think the the the score, the position in the movie of the score that I love the most is the finale, you know, where it's the big dun dun dun dun. And it starts to grow and grow till it's like blaring.

SPEAKER_06 59:15

Yeah, I think you're called like the ending score. Yeah, yeah, the very this is the main theme, which is actually called flying.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

Yeah, and it's the one where he they they use reverb, they echo his voice, and he's I'll be right here.

SPEAKER_06 59:40

So yeah. It was a struggle not to put it on my list uh because I love it so much. But there were like I said, I I picked so many, so many, and I picked like three of my five were were iconics they're New Hope and Jaws, which are my one and two, and Superman, which was my number five. My three and four were sentimental favorites, like ones that just meant something to me. So my number three is the theme from Schindler's list, and I don't know what it is, but I just I love a soft violin intro. It's why I love the riders of Rohan so much in uh Return of the King. Uh, and it's a similar thing here. He's uh Schindler's List, which was composed by John Williams and the violin by uh Isak Perlman.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

I I love a good violin.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:34

I really I love a good violin, and I love that violin in particular, and I I it was one of the most unique film going experiences I ever had because I saw this at the Ritz V in Center City, and the entire crowd sat in stunned silence for like ten minutes after the film ended. Like nobody moved, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

I think I didn't like my list. I've only seen Shimless List once. Yeah, I don't think I can watch it again.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:01

Yeah, it's a hard movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:03

I it is it's hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:04

I've said it's like a hard movie to watch, but it's it's a testament to Spielberg's filmmaking ability that I can actually re-watch it and and and you know get the same feeling I had when I watched it the first time. Um I love like here's I love that like most composers have a have a style that's recognizable. Like you know a Han Zimmer score, you know a Howard Schorrell score, you definitely know a John Williams score. But what I like about John Williams's ability as a composer is to know when to hold back a little bit. And like Schindler's List is a movie that doesn't need a big bombastic song.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:41

Oh, and so for somebody who's uh you know known for using the entire orchestra, yeah, you know, taking full advantage of the uh brass section. Um he laid he just he laid it soft. This this the whole thing was soft, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:59

Man, I I it's so beautiful, it's such a beautiful I I owned the soundtrack to this movie because I love that theme so much. It was just it was something I would like fall asleep to at night because it's so beautiful. Yeah. Um, so that was like my number four. Mike, what was uh you have one more? I have one more, and I'm sure somebody else has this on the list. That is of course Gremlins 2, the new batch.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:42

It would work for Goonies, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:44

That is uh so I don't have it on my personal list. It was hard not to put it on my personal list, but I I knew one of you would have it. So I wasn't too upset about it. I went with when you hear it, you know exactly where it is. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, definitely. And and again, Raiders is it's weird because I saw Temple of Doom first and uh came the Raiders a little later, but I I love Raiders so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

So are you guys telling me that that the newer uh um generation's gonna hate this show tonight because no one put Harry Potter on the list?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:22

Uh we'll make up for it when we do the the the listener uh submissions.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:26

So and I will say it was I I when I was pulling them out because I I didn't just I didn't just pick five at rand at random or just go through and go one through five. No, I had I had to narrow it down. It was almost like a bracket. It's like here's my list of 15, and now which can I move to like five, rank it to the top five, right? And knowing that we had our limit of five, so then I had to pull five more out. And Harry Potter made it to the top ten. So yeah, it was there, it's iconic. You can hear it. You may even say that the sound resonates with holidays because it really does. You know, you hear Harry Potter. Um, I think any more people think of Christmas kind of the same way.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:12

That's because they're Home Alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:18

But you it's almost like a Christmas carol by now, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:22

Because they play it at Christmas time because like the first two or three movies have Christmas in it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:26

Right. Like about 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:31

So Kev, what's your do you have one more?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

We covered them all. I think the only one that I hadn't announced to you guys was Superman, which we said you had to know, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:41

Uh so my last one then is my number four actually on my list. And again, I picked it because it's a sentimental movie for me in a way. Uh, because of of you know the history I have with this film and things I've said about it before. 1941. Yeah, 1941. Filmed in nineteen seventy-nine. Uh, that is Jurassic. I was wondering if somebody had that on the list. Yeah, it's it's on my list because, like I said, like it's just it's it's the movie that made me the Cinephile I am today. It's important to me. I love it. It's one of my favorite um Spielberg films as well as one of my favorite scores. Uh I'm gonna play that. I don't YouTube. I don't have it um on my soundboard because I wasn't really planning on playing some of the more popular ones, but I'm like, you know what? I don't know why I didn't have it on my soundboard to begin with, so let me just bring it up here real quick. Not that anybody out there who's ever listened to a soundtrack by John Williams does not know Jurassic War. Let's get to the fun part.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

There's your violins.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

You know, when I call no when I call Nolan over for dinner, this is what I hear playing in my head as he s you know stomps his way to the uh to the high chair.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:29

Yeah. You need that crescendo for when he comes to the kitchen. See, I hear Jurassic Park and I just think, oh fucking dinosaurs, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:54

I'm a dinosaur.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

So uh just to recap, my number one was a new hope, and my number two is Jaws, my number three Schindler's list, four Jurassic Park and five Superman. Uh Mike, what was yours again?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

I've got Superman, Indiana Jones, Jaws, Close Encounters, and Star Wars. And Kev, what were yours?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:17

I had uh the 1984 Olympic Anthem, I had the Duel of the Fates, I had Superman, E.T. and Schindler's List. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:28

Uh so we do have some listener shout-outs here. Before I get the listener shout-outs, uh, let me tell you about why I uh deactivated our Reddit account. Because I am fucking done. I have enough, I don't have to deal with negativity in my life, and Reddit is just nothing but fucking negativity. So I post it on Reddit, Threads, and X earlier this week. We're doing our top five John Williams songs. What is your favorite John Williams, or what are your top fives, or whatever? Uh, and I got all kinds of answers on X and Threads that I usually get, which is that was nice. Uh and with the question, I posted this our promo photo that I made for this week, which I thought was a lot of fun. And this is what I got on Reddit. The first comment was fucking slop, uh, which is of course a response to the fact that that's an AI-generated image. And the second response I got was imagine using AI slop to advertise your admiration for one of the few living musicians who still creates in their art form with their own hands.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

You know, like why don't they actually get off a computer and do something with their own hands because they're not doing anything their own on here.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:48

No, it's and that's Reddit's like they look for things to complain about, and I'm so tired of it. Like, just whatever, dude. I use the AI to create an image to promo an episode that we are doing ourselves. Like, it's not like I have fucking AI reciting the uh the script for us, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:07

Well, except for me. I mean, I am AI generated. I I can't afford to be here every Thursday night. I got a I got a baby, god damn it. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

We probably get better writings if the baby was doing their you.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:23

Definitely here are the actual shout-outs we got, which are mostly from Threads and X. Uh, Mike Bruno on Threads, who is uh somebody who normally uh sends us a response when I ask questions. This is this is multiple times that we've read uh Mike's uh responses. He said Superman 1978. Well, thanks for listening, Mike. Yeah, thank you for listening and for commenting. Uh Cinematic Sound Radio Podcast on X. Also chose Raiders, Empire Strikes Back, and Temple of Doom. Uh, now for Empire Strikes Back, for me it's the Imperial March. Yes, I was gonna say that. Yeah, I wanted to walk into that at my wedding. My wife said no. Like the actual wedding, not like the reception. Like Dorney.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

Can you get the organist to play this, please? Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:13

Uh Jacked Up Review Show Podcast on X gave us Jurassic Park, uh, The Last Crusade, JFK, Born on the Fourth of July, and Munich, which were three that like I didn't really think of. Like I'm you associate John Williams so much with um Spielberg, you forget that he's done other movies. Was born on the fourth of July, was that a uh Stone? So Born on the Fourth of July was uh Oliver Stone, and so as was JFK.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:41

And then Munich is Steven Spielberg. So I have those three. This is the JFK theme.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:10

It's got a very West Wing themes, uh, doesn't it? It does a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:16

I mean, it's it's supposed to sound sort of like presidential, yes. Yeah, presidential, like governmental and stuff. And he did get nominated for it. It's not one that I think about right away. Uh, he also had Born on the Fourth of July, so here's a little bit of that one. The opening notes sound a little bit like sneakers to Robin Redford film. That's why I like asking for listener suggestions, because you get ones that you don't think about usually or or recognize right away.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

I'm happy to do that. What I like about that one with Born on the Fourth of July is that using that trumpet at the beginning gives you that whole patriotic military does have. Then it goes into the rest of it.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:41

That's what makes John Williams so great, is that his songs he understands the theme that he's gonna write for, like, you know, the theme of the film. Uh the last one he had on his list here, uh Jacked Up Review was uh Munich. And I have a little bit of that one here, too. It's uh one of Spielberg's darker films. Like a really dark film.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Yeah, that the the whole premise of it is a dark film.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:19

Uh then we have this is one of my one of the best responses we got. Uh Mark Walker at Magister Walker on X gave us Empire Strikes Back, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, The Last Crusade, Hook, and the Reavers. And then he ended it with, but ask me tomorrow, and I will have five different choices. Which I I understand that sentiment. So here's Hook, one of the ones we didn't talk about, Hook. Uh, here's a little bit of that one. Which discounts is a Disney one, too, because it's Lee. You can hear a little bit of Harry Potter in this one, too. It's not one of my favorite films of the Spielberg registry, but I do like the theme song a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

All I'm gonna say about this. Roo, Fitti!

SPEAKER_06 1:15:34

Uh, the other one he had on his list is the Reavers, which I had mentioned earlier as a film, one of his early films. It's the second film he ever got a nomination for. I didn't know anything about this movie. I looked it up, star Steve McQueen. It's about an 11-year-old boy who steals the family car and goes on an adventure. And he like Steve McQueen is like his like uh passenger in the car and all that. It's called the Reavers, and this is the theme song from Nat. It's got a very um Bonnie and Clyde to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:14

I was gonna say it sounds like um Glenn Eastwood.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:19

Yeah. You know, it's it's like a Dus All America film. Uh so it's got that sort of like feel to it. And it does to me, it's like Bonnie Clyde. Gotta have the harmonica. It's a little Bonnie Clyde, a little bit like um Sundance and uh Cassidy.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:39

I mean, they should just have a banjo start plucking any minute now.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:42

Oh, let's see, hold on. I do get a French horn.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:54

And a cowbell.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:56

Yeah. Uh and then the last one we had here was Andrew Lefford at St. Jimmy Skywalk 1 on X, gave us Return of the Jedi, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Superman, Eatsy, and Dracula 1979, the Christopher Reeve film, which I unfortunately don't have the theme for that one. Um, but that was a different one. Like I didn't even realize he worked on a hammer film. And uh just for the people out there who are worried that we weren't going to play it, here you go. Just to just to give a little shout out to this theme. That was that was a fun episode. That was uh it's fun because you get to sit there and listen to the music and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh so thank you everybody for uh your submissions. Uh I pretty sure I got everybody, including the assholes on Reddit. Uh Mike, you have any beer trivy for us tonight?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:12

I do, and it's a really short one though. For thousands of years, brewing was largely considered a household work, household work performed by women in medieval Europe. Female brewers were known as alewives.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:26

Kevin has an ale wife, she's always bringing the beer up to him.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:30

I wish.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:32

We have a cinema quote of the week.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:35

Acting is not about being someone different, it's finding the similarity in what is apparently different, then finding myself in there. Merrill Streep.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:46

Which is interesting considering how many different characters she played. So she apparently she considers herself a Jewish widow, like in Sophie's choice, but also a witch, like into the woods. Well, she's also a pirate hook. Or a woman. No, that was going close.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:01

Easy to mistake him.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:04

Uh so thank you for joining us tonight for folks, uh, folks for episode 241, Duel of the Scores. A tribute to John Williams. We hope you enjoyed listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it for you. Remember, if you email us at filmsofermentation at gmail.com or drop us a comment on any of our socials, we will give you a shout-out on the show. Uh, and if you are rude, we will still give you a shout-out, but we won't read your name. We won't make fun of you. If you do text us at 904-867-4466, make sure you give me some way to identify you because the texts are anonymous. Uh, you can listen to us on all the uh usual podcast links or watch us on Roku on the Pod Nation Media Network on YouTube or Rumble. Uh, and uh join us on patreon.com slash phones of fermentation to help out the show. Uh, make sure you join us next week for uh episode 242. So stop by between the crossroads between pickled and ferment it for an episode that I'm sure will not go off the rails at all. Movies that are better when you're drunk. I should also add in like movies that are better when you're drunk, or when you just take in a couple C BD gummies, because I like to do that before some films. In the meantime, I'm Leo.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:22

I'm Kevin.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:22

I'm Mike. This has been Films and Fermentation Podcast. Cheers, everybody.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:27

Cheers.