Flo Rida Baccarat with SLICK DEVIOUS

Portland hip hop may not have a governing sound, but it thrives on sustained commitment, cross-pollination, experimentation, and progression. Slick Devious is the emodiment of that ethos and approach, to which we'd add rare introspection as an artist. All of this makes him a killer MC and an excellent conversationalist, and we get tons of both this episode. The fellas chat about the relative necessity of live performance, what an artist owes an audience in terms of connection, wet handshakes, generational diarrhea, the political ambiguity of the cybertruck, and factory-fresh foods. Slick also graces us with some world-premiere previews of upcoming projects. 

Music this week:

• (Still Untitled w/Cabanna Project) by Slick Devious (34:01)
• "Trim" by Conrizzle (51:04)
• "Enrolled" by Slick Devious (65:15)
• "Runtz (Smoking Runtz)" by Slick Devious, produced by Nate Habits (76:02)
• "Everybody Needs to Be" by Kutiman (93:30)

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premiere music discovery and interview show. My name is Drew. I'm one of your co-hosts. Joining me as always is my one of my dearest friends and your very special co-host, Andy.

SPEAKER_05 0:29

Bonkered off the Yoinky.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Indeed, you are. Andy, our silent partner is with us. He is producing the show, making the sound happen, as he so often does. Just ripping blinkies. Yep. And uh really great show tonight. Like, you know, I I don't I don't mean to say that with surprise in my voice. I was sure it was going to be. But sometimes you like have a pretty high bar of expectation and you just you just vault right over it.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

Yeah, I feel like our guests always bring it. It's just on us to like get on their level.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

It's it's never the guest. It's always like, am I gonna be there? Am I gonna make it, you know, yeah, over the bar.

SPEAKER_05 1:04

Do I do I know how to play a ukulele? No.

unknown 1:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10

I mean, that's as far as I can.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

But then they stick a ukulele right in your hand.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

They put it in there, and it turns out, you know, I got it. Yeah. I had it in me the whole time. It was never gone. You never lost it. It turns out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

We've had lots of conversations in the last several weeks about whether our show can be back as many times as you say in our shared text thread that we are back.

SPEAKER_05 1:31

Oh yeah. Every time when we get our we get our numbers from who who's listening to this podcast, I'm always like, oh baby, we're back. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

And I'm And's often wondering how often we're gone, how how back can we be?

SPEAKER_05 1:46

What are the rules for being back? Man. I always like to say, I mean, I'm back like I never left. Yeah. So in that case, I mean we've always been here. But every time you wake up. I mean Yeah, you wake up back. Pretty much like when you wake up in the morning, you open your eyes and you're like, I'm thinking I'm back. Are you just quoting John Wick?

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Is that just a John Wick quote?

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

We've reached that stage of the show. I like to think that we're the John Wick of podcast. I think so. I think you're right. Um, you're certainly not wrong. And even if we were only that for one episode, it would be this episode. Because we were very honored to have a Portland MC, Slick Devious, join us. Uh Slick is someone who has like worked with a lot of people in the hot garbage universe that we love, some of our favorites. Andy, like, you know, he's connected with a lot of people that we've played on the show, a lot of people we really love and respect as as artists here in Portland. So it was exciting to have him on and and just kind of hear his story. We talked a lot about uh sort of the philosophy behind being a musician versus being other kinds of artists. And he was cool enough to play some as yet unreleased and maybe even untitled demos. So we got a really uh cool peek behind the curtain uh at some songs that are just short of the finish line, and it was really cool to hear those too.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

Absolutely. And this one is just like a a huge, like big ol' smudge of pie on the face of hot garbage for not having this dude on for so long. So this was uh real special for me. I was really stoked to have him on.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

He is easy to find all over the various internets. Uh SlickDevious.com is his website, so that's like a centralized hub for everything he does. He uh designs the art for all his music. He's got a deep, rich catalog. Like we said, he's worked with some cool people like like Milk. You said he's worked with the old grape god and Meltzer and people that we again that we love and uh really cool to have him. And we played some cool tunes and had uh put up with you on uh on a milkshake, Andy. Yeah, I almost milkshake Andy was in a different gear and Slick Devious was right with him. It brought maybe a little too many boys to the yard, is what I want to say. Um well, as long as you out there are one of those boys, and that's that is a gender neutral term in this case.

SPEAKER_05 4:06

Yeah, and if the milkshake did bring all the boys to the yard, I'd I'm thinking we're back.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

We're back. And uh hope you're back too, because this is a great one with our uh new friend Slick Devious. Hope you enjoy our conversation with him on this week's episode of Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

You know what? It's different doing this uh podcast on milkshakes and not beer.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Starting on a milkshake.

SPEAKER_05 4:41

Starting with a milkshake is crazy. Do you ever I skipped dinner today, guys, and went straight to milkshake. You guys you guys ever fucking go ice cream before dinner?

SPEAKER_01 4:51

No, uh, because I I had uh on on Easter Sunday we went to just like get Mexican food for lunch, and I had all I had was basically the queso dip, because I wasn't super hungry, and the next day I had amazing diarrhea. Just this old classic diarrhea. So I think if I started with the ice cream, I'm not even sure I'd make it through dinner.

SPEAKER_05 5:12

People forget, you know, like when you're an adult, you can make that choice. You could go dessert first.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Slick, have you gotten to a place in your life where the um like you have your performance routines dialed in? Like, do you know when to eat before performance? Like, speaking of foods, like have you figured out the chemistry of of high performance at this point in your life and and musical career?

SPEAKER_04 5:39

Um I haven't figured out an actual formula. The thing that I have figured out is that I have to eat as much as I possibly can on the day of a performance because I'm gonna drink a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:51

As my my my like legendary father would say, you need a good bass.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

Yeah, that's great. That's actually a very strong advice for anybody. But it's hard to eat because I'm nervous, so it's uh it's one of those things where I'm like force feeding myself all day and I'm actually never as hungry full as I probably should be.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Always easier to drink when you're nervous, too, than it is to eat when you're nervous.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

So especially when you have to get there for sound check and that you're there for seven and a half hours and people aren't showing up, so you're nervous. And then by the time people are by the time you actually go on stage, you you know. That's one thing.

SPEAKER_05 6:29

Like when when we came back from COVID, this is all old news now, nobody wants to hear about it, but like shows started on time again. Now shows start on time. The other thing we need to fix that we didn't is those fucking ridiculous early load-in times. We don't need guys.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

As a rapper, I've personally I've said it for a long time. The last couple shows I've acted, it was because I booked them, so I tried tried to act professionally, but um I don't believe in sound checks like at all. At least as a local LC, like to be honest, the what's gonna happen like by the time I get on stage, like they could figure it out basically, like right there. Um between as far as needing to be there six hours earlier, I would be like, I'll just sound how I sound. I'd I would rather just sound like shit on stage than have to be there six hours earlier.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

I get totally you have to bring a bunch of shit in sometimes if you're a band.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

If you're a full band, then sure, yes.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

So like you don't want to do that in a crowd of people, so yeah, a little bit early is good, but like holy shit, some of these things are like 4 30, 5 o'clock, and the show's at 9 or 10. That's crazy. That's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Or bring back the complimentary meal.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

That and or a green room or something, yeah, someplace a place to hang out and decompress because otherwise you're just standing there in the same room you're gonna be in and performing in with this, like hopefully, people there.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

What's the nicest green green room you've been in?

SPEAKER_04 7:50

In town? No, as if I've been in any outside of town. No, uh uh, I'd have to go with Mississippi Studios as a nice at least they like let you separate yourself from the general public a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Never made it back there. I've been in there, but I'm not supposed to be in there.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

So it'd be cool to have like a lot of people. I feel like a lot of people you can get the security's not strong there. Yeah, I could just that people can get in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Um what do you do to do with the nerfs? Like if you get nerfed, like what's your what's your trick for getting or or is like when you get on stage that just falls away.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

Uh no, I just act act insane, basically. That's pretty much the trick to it. Uh that's the result, you know. Get on stage and essentially do it. I don't know. I don't really predict what's gonna happen on stage. I it's not like that sounds like I'm trying to be all deep about it, but I'm just genuinely I just get up there and I guess I freak out on purpose because of some type of uh subversion.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Subversion. Yeah, that's pretty much the I don't know. Yeah, that's the way I'd look at it.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

I don't know. I don't know psychologically, like from a medical standpoint, is that that seems like it's a healthy way to deal with anxiety. That doesn't seem like you're obfuscating your responsibility to deal with your stage fraud. It seems like you're embracing it. I I think that's good.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Man, that sounds way better than what I have. I have like nervous diarrhea. So it's just like and I always think I'm late. So I'm like, damn, we gotta get this, we gotta get this over with so I can get on stage. And then I come out and I'm like, do you still have like 25 minutes?

SPEAKER_04 9:32

And man, my stomach's I'm always on time too. That's the thing. I'm always the thing, like you said, shows start on time. We really should be back to being late again. I guess Jay Electronica had it right, but maybe not that later.

SPEAKER_05 9:52

That's like brings your power back.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

Yeah. Maybe I'll start doing that and stuff. You should.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Do you think it's more prevalent in like the hip-hop, the broader hip-hop world because it's one person and it really is kind of a power play? Not not maybe not even a bad way, not like a shitty way, but like it's it's easier to be a band when you feel like you're a unit, I feel like, to operate sometimes than it must be to be like a solo artist where you are the name and the person and the creative, like yeah. I would say maybe there's an element of like, alright, I'm gonna do this when I can do it, when I need to do it. Maybe it's just that. That'd be cool. Is that is that true, you think?

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Or on your fly. I think if you had a man if you were insul, I mean, it if you were Lauren Hill and people treated you like Lauren Hill, you could probably it'd feel pretty good. You probably she you wouldn't have to talk to the door man. I guess you're like sorry I'm late, you know. I don't think you'd have to say that to anybody.

SPEAKER_05 10:42

I think we should start like putting a little mystique on the time show start and just put the load in time like load in at 5 30 and that's it. And then you're just like you know there's a show there that night, it might happen at 7. It might happen at 9.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

Most people because you have all your stuff there, you don't leave either. Yeah, that's it. If you're an individual, you bring all this stuff and you can't leave it, so you like stay the whole time. If you had a band or even a crew or something, you could be like, Alright, we're gonna go eat dinner and then come back. But like most of the time, as a local solo individual, you're just like sitting there with all your stuff. You don't think you don't want anyone to steal your laptop and like merch.

SPEAKER_05 11:22

Yeah. But that's true. And as a as a known thief, I'm always looking for an unwatched merch table with a laptop.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

That's that's a great night. You gotta bring that that handcuff briefcase back.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

I don't even have much experience with this. I don't know why we led in with like performance big on performances agreeing to this that often. I'm acting like I'm a touring artist. Uh I don't I don't deal deal with this type of stuff really.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Do you like performing live?

SPEAKER_04 11:53

Yeah, I do like to. I like it. I rehearse, you know, well a lot. That's another way to deal with the nerves is being prepared. Just be ready, yeah. Yeah, just be ready for the performance as as best as you can. That's my best advice to anybody.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

It feels like right now they we don't have a lot of like hip hop friendly venues. Yeah, where are the good spots to go see local hip hop right now?

SPEAKER_04 12:17

I mean, realistically, Mississippi Pizza and I suppose Mississippi Studios, when they have hip hop shows, are the two best places I can think of. I can't think of very many other venues that are around like that.

SPEAKER_05 12:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

There's been a like l decline in it over the years for sure. I mean, you guys have been doing this podcast for 14 years. Yeah. You would definitely know. It's like there's a mad big lack of it. And I don't know how much the community is even like advocating or going out and cares that much just because people are on online and everything, like people don't even care that much.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

That's a good point. I know that the um the new all ages club and the old dancing bay or the offbeat, they're having hip hop shows. Speakermind's played there uh last weekend as of recording.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

Is that that's the one in like super in like North Portland?

SPEAKER_05 13:10

Yeah, up in like the Kenton neighborhood. Oh nice.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

Yeah, that's good. That's like so far away from where I live, I would just never go. But that is good that it exists in all ages for sure. Kids need to be able to perform. That's a huge component.

SPEAKER_05 13:24

I know that there's definitely hip-hop at uh Alberta Street Pub. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:28

I mean the thesis has moved that to their new home base. That's what's up. But uh outside of that, they do book all kinds of other things, so that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Last week we had this band, this uh like surf punk band that's been around since like 1991. And so we were talking about just their long history, and they were saying that surf like there's not like 10 surfbox bands in town, so you can't be like, We're gonna be the surf bar or only the surf band. You're like you're the one surf band on a bill with other stuff, and that opened them up to being on like more imbalanced bills. Do you think do you think that would be good for hip-hop if it it or do you think hip-hop needs to be its own knight or its own like consistent lineup, or do you think it can fit in a lot of different places?

SPEAKER_04 14:11

I think it would depend on the artist, but I think if you're gonna build a genuine culture that has its own unique sound and support system, it should be a thing that can exist on its own and doesn't have to be here's this local rapper with the band, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:30

Even at the last show I did, they tried to add like two ska bands on it. Ska's back. And frankly, I should have said yes, because in hindsight that would have been cool. But at the time I was like, I don't know, there's already four rappers on the bill. I don't know if we need two ska bands as well.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

I would have definitely gave that a big thumbs up. I probably would have broke my arm. I was given the thumbs up so hard. I should have, man.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

And then these three bands were gonna like help they just thought it would bring more people. Yeah, just more people would be in the bar. Six more horn players. You guys exactly how many more horn players?

SPEAKER_05 15:03

We're not selling a lot of tickets. I got an idea. Have you guys considered Scott?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

We can guarantee at least 12 more people will be here if we have two Scott bands playing. I'll bring their girlfriends.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

Many of these people are in a massive polycule, so that's it just bleed over. You're not gonna get all ten of them, but you definitely get in gig at six.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

I did not even it's a great point about like if a sound is gonna coalesce or like uh a scene is gonna emerge organically, there needs to be a sort of a centralization of people that can like learn from each other.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Yeah. I mean, you it most communities that's or cities that seem to pop off, they're more of a self-sustaining sound that comes out of it. It's not some random well, I mean, uh this is back in the day. I'm sounding like an old head now, but you know, I mean, even when you think of like the bay or whatever, it's like it's like a community-based thing versus individual more so. I don't know, that that's just the way I perceive it. At least like thiz and things like that.

SPEAKER_05 16:04

Yeah, definitely. They have like defined sounds and like a legacy, you know. Like you hear bay music and you know you know it pretty quickly, you know. Not always. I mean, there's other things that came out of the bay that don't sound like E40 and Mac Dre, but like that's what I think of.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

But if n in terms of developing a culture, that's what you have to have though. It's not like of course things are gonna there's gonna be like things that don't sound like anything else, but I mean I'm not even saying something has to sound the same or whatever, it's just that Portland is a community of rappers that are kind of like splintered apart, it seems like, and there's not much like connective tissue, and the reason for that is because there's just not that many like third spaces where we could do it. Of course, there's the internet, it seems like the beat community has quite an active scene that has that has a lot of events, and that's good.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

Yeah, yeah. So I feel like we still do hip hop week in Portland, it still happens, and they do a lot of big things for it. But there was a couple of years where it was like ten shows that week, and it was like they really I mean, rest in peace, Star Child, but it was mostly Star Child's never-ending grind of being able to book ten shows at the same time. Yeah, but that felt like a really cool representation of actually what's happening in the city of Portland at hip hop right now because he had you know legends who had been around forever, and then he was just connected and knew a lot of people coming up. So I'm sure there's some a lot of other people out there in the promotion world that are tapped in like that, but not like he was. That was cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I had a question about this. Like you're talking about how maybe some of this is shifting online, and online's like already decentralized, so it already makes it harder to coalesce in geographically there. Maybe it's like like sounds, but like do you think there's a necessity for an artist to sort of prove I don't want to say prove themselves, but like refine their craft by performing live? Do you think that's like an essential part of an evolution as an artist, or do you think something can exist solely as an online or a digital product?

SPEAKER_04 18:03

I mean it depends on what you're in it for. There's definitely rappers that I've heard that well I don't want to say it out like this is gonna be published and stuff, but like Jay Electronica, just as my most recent live performance, like viewing it, his records are like way better than his live performance, you know? Like by like magnitudes that are not even measurable.

SPEAKER_05 18:27

So I feel like it used to be the case all the time with live hip hop where it was like it was cool, but you couldn't hear them, the mix was off, it was a lot of yelling.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

It really depends on the venue. A lot of times the mix and the sound in places is really bad, but I do think beyond without a doubt, like rap performing live, and if you can put it on a perform performance, whether or not it's like you're rapping perfectly, but you're entertaining, like you can be endearing and like gain a fan so much more by showing your personality than you can just like listening to songs on streaming services. And I think that's what I like to do is be more dynamic, and so I don't know, you might like hear my music and think it was boring, but if you came to my show, you wouldn't probably think that was boring, you might not like it, but you wouldn't be bored, that's for sure. Yeah, and that's the case with like the people I kick it with and perform with. So I do think performing live is really important. Well, I mean again, like as far as like sorry to interrupt you. Oh no, no. As far as like in this culture and in this day and age, I think there's like all types of things that could just exist solely online, like whole types of music that could exist that you like that are just headphone music or you know, that type of stuff. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

I have not figured out how like what to think about that yet. I was thinking about I was reading some article about AI music, which I'm opposed to, just like ethically opposed to. Um but it was about how prevalent it is, and I'm and I I can see a generation of people that have not been exposed to the difference. I'm not saying they won't know it's not AI, but if they grow up with AI in their lives, they're not gonna care as much as I care. And trying to accept that someone will have that experience, I have not been able to sort of like make that leap yet. And so it's hard to hear what you're saying, that they're people that are just gonna exist in this this one-way relationship that I have with them and they have with the void, and there's not gonna be a lot of but there's types of art that you can make that are wouldn't translate to a live performance necessarily, and that doesn't make it any less good.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

Like the rapper Ka, rest in peace. He he was like he didn't like to perform because of the music he made, he didn't want to see, and these are like his words, I'm paraphrasing him, but he's like a bunch of dudes with their arms crossed, like mean mugging me, you know. And I'm sure he still performed because he had to to like earn money and stuff, yeah. But he also had a regular job like as a fireman and stuff. So I do believe that there's a perspective or a philosophy you could take. Like, I make music for the reason to like write it and to do it because I like making it, not just so that I can also develop this persona to for the people to go eventually perform. Like, honestly, yeah, performing live is really cool, but I also think that like the idea idea that we have of like what a professional musician is, and then going on like if I made a hit record and then like all of a sudden my life would mean like touring the world and all that, yeah. I don't even know if that's actually the idea I would want to have for music. So basically, people would have to like catch me online.

SPEAKER_05 21:27

I feel like the dream is tour the world, and then wherever you hit the hardest, whatever country that may be around the world, that's where you keep going back to. Say it's like Somalia, and you're just like, dude, I'm hot in Somalia, lean into it. Yeah, that's what I want to do. Hot garbage, yeah. We're going to Madagascar.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

I mean, I would take Madagascar. I actually would take any of them. You can't really name a country that I wouldn't be open to being a celebrity there. I don't I don't really want to be a celebrity, but like if I could relocate myself to uh some distant land because They liked this bullshit, then that'd be great.

SPEAKER_04 22:03

But what if you had to just for the rest of your life tour be on an endless churn and then slowly the churn gets you know you're you end up like flow ride uh at the casino instead of you're right.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

I don't I mean but that's for like a financial thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:18

That like that's something he's doing because But would you rather have that be your life or just call it be like man I had a good run and just go back to making music for the sole purpose of fun and stuff, or would you rather stay on the road 300 days a year going to small casinos performing 25-year-old songs?

SPEAKER_05 22:38

It's just a question I mean, I do I have a foolproof system, so it's not technically gambling when I'm in a casino. So for me, that would just be a money-making that would be a high roller everywhere. They'd be like, here comes that fucking whale. I guess I'm thinking about I would own those because maybe that is what he does.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

He's really good at backer at.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

He definitely would be a flow rider.

SPEAKER_05 23:02

I'm yeah, he's he's fucking I saw he's going to A L and A.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

He's gonna be there. He's yeah, that's why I brought him up. He's on the top of the state.

SPEAKER_05 23:09

Because he's got a high roller piegao tournament that he can.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Yeah, that's true. He just so happens to that would actually be a smart player.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

He's a horrible gambling addict, that's why he's doing this. It's not for the love of the music.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

He gets booked, he just gets a show wherever he's headed.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

Well he's like, what's the closest casino? See if there's anything open. Yeah, he's into it. And there's also a Michael Jordan steakhouse there. So, you know, you win either way.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Yeah. They give you a little fake little Michael Jordan Hitler mustache, and you can eat your steak there.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

No, the steaks, the steaks actually have a little bit of dye in the edge of them, and when you take a bite, it gives you a Michael Jordan mustache. It's kind of like a milk stash, but it's yeah. And you yeah, man. And you stay like man, fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Yeah, Michael Jordan in general.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

I guess I wanted to play no, I I don't know, I I don't have like an argument against what you're saying, but I was thinking of this idea of But he's trying to think of one. No, no. Where I was thinking what was missing from our discussion so far has been what the the relationship is between the performer and the listener. Like for me, uh I feel like that's part of the culture building too, is the the experience of interacting with artists as just the consumer. I don't want to say the consumer in a money sense, but someone who goes to shows, the listener, like the active listener. I feel like there's something about musical culture or a scene's identity that has to involve that connection. And that's I guess for part of it for me too, is uh I would choose the life the the the life of fun and creativity and my own choices that you offered me, but uh there is something about like connecting with people that's good for them as well as for the artist.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

Yeah, definitely. Definitely, and you gotta sell merchandise too, which is a huge part of being a professional musician. Or touring is just it goes hand in hand, it's never like not been there, it's part of the the role. But I do think that meeting fans and stuff is cool, like it's definitely cool. But I don't know if that's an actual uh it's not like a prerequisite, you know. I don't know if Jay Electronica was like kicking it with people. That's not gonna dis that's not gonna change when I saw Rock Marciano, like he fucking killed it, and I was like so happy that he did so well when he performed because I had to feel I was worried that maybe his music wouldn't translate to live.

SPEAKER_05 25:23

Do you ever feel that way where you're really into someone and you really want them to do well? Yeah, that's how it was. Yeah, it's not like it's not like oh man, I hope this isn't a bad show for me. It's yeah, like you're saying, like, God, I hope he fucking kills it tonight because they deserve to hear his best.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

No, he he did so well that it really reinforced my belief in him, and I was like really happy about it. Like it really made me happy. But then I was happy that he kind of like took pictures of people a little bit, but then he just like disappeared, you know? And it's kind of cool to be both. It's cool to talk to the fans, but it's also cool to be like just this figure. You know, I don't need an artist to be like a human being. That's not what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

I'm like that's very true. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

I disagree.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Well, I think a lot of people are compelled by the human side of public figures. Like they're we're all drawn to like this idea of fame or this uh And we all think musicians are inherently attractive, artists are inherently.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

I mean we were talking about Kanye. Why is Kanye a keep allowed to come back despite being like having said and done really bad things? Yeah, I mean it's because of this this thing that we're saying. It's like that people are drawn to the art that they make, clearly not the person the individual human being that they are. Not that I'm condoning any of that stuff whatsoever, but like at the same time, you don't have to be this like, how you doing, like to every single person, you know, and I don't know. I'm not like I'm not I sound like I don't know, I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't be friendly and humble to your fans, you absolutely should be, but you can also be disconnected and disassociated from the public.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

But like you were saying on the other side of it where like I want to meet all my favorite musicians and artists and like like actors and actresses, but I don't want to meet them for me. I want to imprint upon them an experience that will last in their lives forever.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

You can mention this a couple of times and you're fine. You were fighting them the fuck out.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

Oh, yeah. I'm gonna have I will become a story that they tell their friends.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

And the thing is, think about how many people that like the average like big time celebrity has met and meets on a day-to-day basis. So you're talking about like some like pretty shocking behavior then. Yeah. Like that's like what I'm saying. Like, think about how many people on the day today Bruno Mars like met. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, if he's like out doing stuff on the pressure.

SPEAKER_05 27:44

You know what I mean? Dude, if I would have seen Bruce Springsteen and Jackpot Records, let me tell you, if we would have had spit in his face. We would have had a conversation. He wouldn't maybe remember that.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

He's probably been he's probably actually had gotten spit in his face like a bunch of times. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Yeah, the odds are way higher that he's had people spit in his face than me. It wouldn't have been spit. Yeah. Um I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

I'll toss the boss.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

I I am I am I I am threading the needle between I I think it's important for like you said, you people come to see you, they're not gonna be bored. And like there's something there is something uh real about that, and if they never speak to you or shake your hand or spend any time in a room with you, that they were in the same room as that experience that you were giving them. I guess that's kind of what I meant, more than glad-handing and you know, talking to people. I I don't care about the person as much as I care about the presence of the artist, and I think it's specific to music because you talked about I don't care if the painter is in the room when I'm looking at a pe a painting, and certainly when I read a book, I don't care about the author almost at all. But music is that one form where I feel like those two things are fused.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

But wouldn't you like to meet Clive Costler in real life and spoil Avatar 3 Fire National? But isn't that like kind of be the person that spoiled the Avatar 3?

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Is it only because you But why is music fused though? Because painting and literature are just as the powerful forms of art as the music.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

I totally agree. I think it must be it must be that like there's something the person's presence is like is like an instrument. Like your physical presence is the is a is 80% of your music.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

Like that's the I agree with you there because that brings basically what I'm saying about like is it good for people to perform? Like there it is. And if I've seen a lot of people perform that that aren't that fire to like watch perform. And maybe it's just an off-night or something, but like if you can't even make me impress to like watch you rap in person, like when I personally like I should leave watching somebody rap, like wanting to go rap. I should it's like watching like somebody like when I used to watch An1 mixtape tour, I wanted like I'd go track try to practice basketball because I that's what I wanted to yeah, you know, so it's like you gotta like impress upon like you're an entertainer, you gotta like entertain people, not just I don't know, that's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

The other part about it is like if you're watching someone paint a masterpiece and you're in the room while they're painting, that is an amazing thing to see. But every stroke of what they're doing isn't the finished product.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Well, it depends on the style of painting because most paintings that can be finished in the a sitting of somebody watching it'd be hard. Uh and some of them could be masterpieces, but a lot of masterpieces took you know decades to finish.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Well, and there's like performance art that is acknowledging that there's like the physical artist-centric component to a piece of visual art, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 30:29

I guess music is a time-based thing. It's time-based more so than any other like a book you can set it down and not pick it up for a week or however it doesn't matter. Pick it back up and you can finish it. A painting you can look at it for any amount of time. Whereas music is a like if you actually listen to a song, you'd have to listen to the entire song to say you could fully judge it or like get its context. Like if you listen to a song halfway, you couldn't really ever know what was on the other side.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Oh fuck, do you guys ever do that? Just like pause a song halfway through and then come back to it a week later. That sounds cool.

SPEAKER_04 31:05

I did not bookmark. I guess if I stop listening to music in the car and then like get back into the car, it starts playing. That does happen. But that's not like an intentional.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

It's true. There's like this idea that if someone sees if you see a band live, you're not seeing their entire catalog, but there is something holistic about that experience. There's a start and there's a finish, and you've consumed something complete. Then I think that maybe is part of what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

Well, that's why bands generally perform like based off like the what they're touring, what they're gonna like just dropped or what they're hoping to drop or whatever. I mean, like performances are like marketing tools. People need to look at it more like that, actually. A lot of rappers and people are just like ho-hum about the whole thing. They could be more uh direct and like you could get a lot more accomplished, probably.

SPEAKER_05 31:50

Yeah, yeah. Or you could do what I do is like wait until your favorite rapper comes out of their dressing room and then shake their hand. But before you shake their hand, you get that shit real wet. And then they're like, oh, that was the wettest handshake I've ever had in my life. Harmless, but like they'll never forget it. That's how you market yourself, Andy. Why is that guy's hand so wet? But anything good, the rest of his body was clearly dry. Bone dry. Um the one wet hand.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

My hands are naturally clammy, so I wouldn't have noticed. Oh. Yeah, you guys would have slipped each other's hands right through. Yeah, just knock somebody's drink down on accident.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

Or you'd go the other way with it and just like baby powder the shit out of that hand, and it's just like the driest hand you've ever touched.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

You're just chalky up to like mid-rist.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

Like a pig pen dust cloud around our hands. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Um, we gotta listen to some tunes. I know you brought a bunch of music with you tonight. What would you like to kick uh kick us off with?

SPEAKER_04 32:46

Uh cool, yeah. Well, I have an upcoming album with my friend Cabana, and he's from Woodburn. He's a close collaborator with Dobleon, who's another cool rapper from Woodburn. Uh he's a really dope beat maker, and we have a little five-track EP. Uh I it's untitled at the moment, but there's some stuff in the works. Um, this up this one is I forget what I named it. They're all demos. We're live, we're living in demo.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

World podcast premieres. That's what I like to hear.

SPEAKER_04 33:16

Yeah, these are actually uh world premieres, yeah. You're now listening?

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Okay, so we'll get into it, but I want to talk about this idea of a demo. Like for you, does that mean these aren't these aren't they're just not done in some fundamental way?

SPEAKER_04 33:28

Uh they'll probably be pretty much the exact same song. Okay. Uh, but they are like I guess technically not fully finished products at this point.

SPEAKER_06 33:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

But uh I don't even want to say the working title because if I change, you know, I don't want to be held like that. I guess, but that's more stuff to ping on the internet potentially.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

I think this is cool.

SPEAKER_05 33:48

I think we're gonna it says final at the end of it, guys, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

People are gonna absorb this and they're gonna be like, this is what I think it is. And that's gonna belong to them in a x dot final. All right, let's listen to this first demo that is as yet untitled.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Drop you got the cloud hopper. Side effects lasting longer than the gob stopper. Put the cobh on my thighs. Soon as it entered my noggin. Stuff a fat water into my pocket on the block, playing fragger. Invest in precious metals, pissing out ocean, lied to the head like I played for the Dodgers. 1942, Jackie Robin, back to the factory. I got another box to shit. Hinning the rockies on the boggas. That's a quick with a rocket on the back of it. 652 is about the avalanche. You ain't got food, that's just happens dance. Either light spood, no food on the back of his. Red sponsor St. John's to do for the on the game leads up the humidor. Just your dog on the spots for the cyborg. Am I still human? I'm not quite sure really hard. Four scores, seven years ago. Mother day miracles was going round and spinning spherical. They get satiries outside. The greatest stories of the ones that are really told. Terra through the terra for the treasure chest of berry toes. On the coast with my honey cutting out the cherry boat. I'm just tryna tell you I was prone to go. And the people keep screaming, they don't wanna tell them singin'. No no no to put your throw with my scroll and go. The shit spinna wake them up like max the lumber hands, the level if you don't like that. You just strapped a black right back with another pack of straight as a matter of fact. Fuck that up.

SPEAKER_05 36:30

That's the best. That was the best fucking error. You guys missed it. It was off the mic. Milkshakes were a bad choice.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Yeah. We Andy's body convulsed like pre-vomit. Or to that sick beat.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

You know, it might have been that. Actually, I think it was because that song was so good my stomach like was just like dancing inside my body, which actually hit so hard that I almost yakked all over myself. It fucking hurts when your stomach dances inside your body without telling you.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Yeah. Um when you first started rapping, was there someone you were trying to sound like?

SPEAKER_04 37:10

Uh not really. I can't really say. I was trying to emulate anybody. I guess I was like, you know, I started rapping when I was probably maybe 11 or 12. So maybe Lil Wayne and Eminem were probably my biggest influences, but I can't really say I was trying to sound like them.

SPEAKER_05 37:31

Yeah. They both have very distinct sounds.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

Yeah. But they're probably my two biggest inspirations.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

What were you rapping about at 11 and 12? Was it really as nasty, wasn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Spaghetti and lasagna.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

Yeah. Honestly, uh, I mean, I guess in that way, yeah, trying to sound like other people. You don't have anything to say, you know. I was just like, I guess rapping about killing people. That's a good that's actually a safe starting point, I think.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

People say you're supposed to like be authentic, but I think that's a good place to start. Just say the the craziest, most impossible things first.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

Just but general, like just gig just gangster rap. I was just writing gangster rap. You know, like I could have been a ghost writer then, like straight up, like what I was writing just some other dude could have wrapped it, and it might have been fire, honestly. But it just wasn't from me because I was 11.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

You were like the movie big. No one believed you were really.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

I mean it would have been even more awkward though if you were like an extremely sexual rapper out of like 11.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

Sex rappers have kind of faded away, to be honest. They haven't, there's not that many anymore.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

There's not, and the ones that are have like leaned into it as their whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Yeah. I think you kind of had to. Andy, you'd be a really good sex rapper.

SPEAKER_05 38:48

I'd like to think so, but uh in actuality, no, I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

I mean, the rap part I think might be pretty terrible, but you would have like the heart of a sex rapper.

SPEAKER_05 38:56

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

There used to be whole like crews that like two live crew and stuff. I mean, like whole sex rap genre, but it was fun. It was like upbeat. It wasn't just like pure it was meant to be like party, but it was like n nasty, you know? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 39:09

I guess that type of stuff still exists, kind of, but you guys remember that famous Two Live Crew video where they were fucking fans on stage?

SPEAKER_01 39:16

No, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

It's fucking it's pretty awful actually, but like in in theory, it was just like, whoa, their fans are getting on stage and they're having sex with them. It was it turned into a whole problem. It was not it was not as consensual as you might think in the 90s. Yeah, no, I wouldn't think. That sucks, but no one's ever thought. That that is wild to be like, fuck yeah, dude. What if we fucked fans on stage at our shows? That's crazy, crazy shit.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

What an idea to have for a person.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Talking about efficiency though, it's like we could save hours after the show with the whole thing we gotta do back stage. Yeah, it goes back to that six-hour lead time.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Like, wait, you know, those those are fuck hours, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

And they're being squandered. Oh, that was their whole thing. They talked a big game about how they like to party, but two live crew was in bed by like 10 p.m. Yeah, so they wanted to get things done. They got it all done. Yeah. They did all that shit on stage. They did it if they do it early. That was the party for now. Not staying up until 2 a.m. Luke Skywalker. Fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Yeah, I think we're I mean, I think we'll find we're in a little bit of a tricky place when it comes to uh nastiness. Uh you know, like as a culture, like Yeah, that's probably it.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

We gotta figure out because there's so much like worry about getting like put on blast or something like bad happening about it.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

Yeah, and also like you gotta check the vibe and let's figure it out. The misogyny's been done. You did all that. Sure. And even in like movies and stuff, like the nudity that you're seeing is just like dudes hanging dong and like showing it. Way more sack than I ever used to see as a kid. I mean, I think that's fine, and I fully uh understand that that's where we've come as a people that we're like, okay, we're not gonna objectify women anymore. Now, dudes, it's your time. We're gonna show dong, we're gonna show weird dicks pissing on TV. Yep, which is crazy. I have seen that a lot. I have too.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

And they can't help but waggle that prosthetic, too. They want you to see it's what the crazy.

SPEAKER_05 41:07

Oh man, fucking uh 28 years later, the giant alpha with the huge hog in that movie in the bone temple.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

You know what we'll we'll have arrived as a society if you see the bone temple.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

We've disconnected from the Bluetooth.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

If you see like a shot where a man has got his back to the camera, but he's nude from the waist down, you can see the back of his scrotum and you can see a woman's breast in the in the in the background. And you see him at the same time. That's perfect equity, right? Yeah, like he's just tucking his sack back and her her her breasts are out.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

So that's why I think what is so rad now that what I'm hearing out there in the world, the sex rap that we have now, is female rappers. Which being extremely uh uh, you know, we need we need the little Kim. It's you know, super into it. Yeah, it has, but like I feel like it always used to be like, oh, like the she's an okay rapper for a girl. And I feel like we can't. That was the misogyny part. It wasn't. I feel like we've gotten past that. And now it's like there are girls who are doing the best sex rhymes because I think that's that's just where we're at. We're like, That's a great point. They are our authorities, they are our sex authorities. Less you know, less and less people want to hear a dude talking about how we didn't grow on to suck his dick.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

It also begs the question of like, did we even listen to Lil' Kim at all because she was she had to rap about that to even like g have any credibility? That's a great point. Despite her being a good rapper, she like had to rap about all that stuff. Whereas everybody else, you know, it didn't have to be as explicit.

SPEAKER_05 42:28

Yeah, that's definitely a thing. That's true. I never thought about that. Man, what if Lil Kim would have had a chance to really shine? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

She could probably be fire today if she wasn't like a cyborg now.

SPEAKER_05 42:41

Yeah, that doesn't help. Or maybe that does help.

SPEAKER_04 42:43

Yeah, it actually could help a lot. She has super big uh like virality factor.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Yeah, that makes sense. What is she doing these days? I guess I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

She just looks crazy. Damn, this is a bad route to go down. Maybe she just looks wild from plastic. Let me tell you what's wrong with Lokim. She looks like the predator. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, that's what we're all the thing is like we're all trying to cheat death on our own ways, aren't we? Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it. That's really music conversation's all about. It's true.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

When really sexy people get heavy plastic surgery, they start to go down this route eventually where they look like like a different kind of human. And I think what us looking at it is like, whoa, that looks crazy. We're wrong. Yeah. They're peak beauty. They're saying we are fucked up. They're seeing the future. Yeah, we actually do.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Because we've been ugly our whole lives. They were attractive and they didn't even want to remain that. Like, what does that say? That's true.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

They're like they're a whole level of looks beyond what I am. I aspire to look as good as they did when they were at their hottest, and they're like, I'm done with that. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 43:45

And you're like, Man, that is not attractive to me. And they're like, of course it's not.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

It wouldn't be.

SPEAKER_05 43:50

Yeah, it never will be.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

You goblin, of course it's not. How would you fucking know? Yeah, just answer it.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

It's like if you see a car that you don't, you know, super like one of those crazy boogies. Gotties, and you're like, that's not that doesn't seem like a great car or whatever. Yeah. They're just it's like, of course, you wouldn't understand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:08

The kids at my school that I work at really hate Tesla like Cybertrucks. They talk a lot of shit about them. And so do I, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

I mean, that bodes well for society.

SPEAKER_05 44:17

Yeah, yeah. Obviously, I do too. But I have leaned into the guy that loves cyber trucks. As a character. Yeah, as a character. And it it is so fun to me. To talk about the shittiest parts about the cyber truck.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Man, it's just fire to be able to have an object out there that causes such like visceral reaction of people, though. Like that's true. People see that truck and they get like actually pissed. And that's kind of crazy in this world. We don't live in a world where people look up and like things offend them even all that much. Yeah, but that truck is one thing that is like actually like un low-key universally offensive.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

Seriously, you could pull up in a giant jacked up Ford truck covered in fucking like Dixie flags, and then a cyber truck would pull up next to it, and the kids would be like, ugh, and they don't throw up.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

You just look from one to the other and back again, you couldn't tell the difference. I think actually, in a weird way, what you're saying is like makes a lot of sense because I think to spend our life absorbing the genuine horrors of the world, just the everyday little traumas and things, to accept them on their own terms would be too overwhelming. But to focus all of that ambient distress into an object that is so hideously anti-aesthetic, I actually think that is a logical way to like process general awfulness by giving it an avatar to focus your hate on.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

That's why they must kind of like it. In that regard, I think they almost did it on purpose because it is so hideously stupid. It's like I know that Elon is actually just like a fucking dumbass dork, like that's the actual answer for it. Yeah, but like maybe it was actually this crazy thing. They're like, nah, dude, you don't understand. It's so subver like once again, it's cool.

SPEAKER_05 46:01

You just you don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 46:03

You never will. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

But it's like to create something that everyone hates. That's like kind of what like that's the most punk shit ever, Loki.

SPEAKER_05 46:11

There is a fucking cyber truck parked down the street from here right now with a laboo boo wrap that says labu boo cool on the side.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

And it is So that's they they put they put the hat on the hat there, so you know that they're doing it all, ironically. Yeah, yeah. Like the depths of their irony, they want to make sure you know that this is a bit all the way down.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

Like like aluminum gray one though. Yeah, you don't know where that person really stands. Because I see this I see one pretty regularly in my neighborhood where it's like a 50-year-old Chinese dude driving it. And I legit don't know like what that dude is.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

He's an absolute cypher. He is just like sleeper ignorant.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

That dude is a is a spy. But he's literally just driving it around, reaping like sowing discontent in the streets. The more uh average the more miles he's on the road, the more like people are just getting pissed. It's just sowing the seeds of discourse throughout our like whatever the term is, you know.

SPEAKER_05 47:07

But I think his Oh my god, was that the plan the whole time? Maybe that's some kind of like pact with the devil where when enough people are so sick and angry about something, it like raises a meter.

SPEAKER_04 47:17

But I wonder, like, but the fact that the general anger level keeps going up, right, across society, it allows the sliding scale of justice to change where they do this militarized shit on us and we're going deeper and deeper, but then they're driving around in fucking cyber trucks, and it's like insulting you as you like have to wait for the bus.

SPEAKER_05 47:38

Holy shit, is the cyber truck the Franz Ferdinand of MAGA? Like the one who's the thing that kicked off the ball of the ball, sparked the powder keg cyber truck, and that's like the seeds of discontent as they grew.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

I think it's just a symbol, it's a pure symbol, it's a symbol of those people though, 100%. Like the other ones, the Teslas, it's like, oh, that's like a decent looking car. Rich people doctors drove them around and shit. You can't like really like they fell into they they snuck into society so like gracefully, and they were the first they were like electric cars, and people really held them up for that. And that was one of the things that kind of gave Elon like mad credibility, at least as far as from my perception as an American citizen. Totally. And it's like then there's this thing that's like so fucking insane looking, you know, it's like that's crazy. Like the decision to launch that shit is nuts. And to do it at the time that he did, I think it's actually like maybe way deeper than we all think.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

Dude, if you look at like the fucking like the profile of this thing from the side, it's fucking crazy sauce. Who the fuck drew this and was like, Yep, that's the shape of our truck.

SPEAKER_04 48:43

And it's fucking huge, too. It's mad big. It's all triangles, it's so weird. I don't know. It's kind of like making it.

SPEAKER_05 48:50

And it will cut your fucking hand off if you accidentally try and roll the window up and your hand is there.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

So like in the sense of it being like It's like shark skin. If you run your hand against it the wrong way, you'll just cut there.

SPEAKER_05 49:03

They took out all safety measures, so it will crush your bones if your hands are in the way. And if you do anything, if you slam the door, there's a video I saw where a guy was like, let's see if the Cybertruck's good. And he just started slamming the door so hard. Like harder than you should ever slam a car's door, and the whole inside of the door panel just fell off. But to me, it was just like, yeah, dude, that's what would have fucking happened if you kept slamming the door that hard on any car. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Speaking of slamming things, Andy, what have you been uh slamming in your ears this week?

SPEAKER_05 49:38

What have you been listening to? I got a good one for you guys. Um Bandcamp amp. This is uh this came out like last year, but it's great. It's uh an album called Country Bumpkin by this dude Conzilla. Wait, no. Am I saying that wrong? I might be. You know what? Never mind. No, I'm just kidding. What if I just stopped and started over right now? I mean, I would love it. Let's get it right. No, that is it. It is. Yeah, it's the man himself. It's pretty dope. You should definitely check this out. It kind of has like a Tierra Whack vibe where they're like a minute and a half's long songs. Oh, that's nice. And they are really good. You know? Like, not just like it feels like the song can continue.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

It feels like I'd like to appreciate a longer song, but I will never fight a a little gem of an idea that stays exactly as long as it should.

SPEAKER_05 50:30

Yeah, this album is really great. It's out on an awesome label out of LA called Tokyo Ab Sound. So check out their full roster of music on Bandcamp.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

That's a cool name.

SPEAKER_05 50:39

And uh there's all kinds of great stuff on this, but this dude is really good, and you can get an awesome t-shirt with the album cover on it and do that too.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

And what was the name of the song in real life?

SPEAKER_05 50:49

Uh the song I'm gonna play you is called Trim.

SPEAKER_07 50:56

Oh shit, I got 1020s. I need a turf I can land on, yeah. I do my dad with no hands on. But got the highest room in the hotel, and she done seen that bitch with no pants on. I'ma go to the truck if I know that you love me. That's what I stand on. Yeah, I come from the block, Mr. Lick in the junkie. I bought the hammo. Got the plot for the world, it's token your ass, we pop over sneez. Do not tell me you sorry, little mama. I'd rather you get on your knees. If you act like you a bird, then I'ma go feed you them frozen and weeds. But if I know you a queen, then I'ma make sure that you get what you need. I'm in the low with the slopes, I foot around with nigga, find me a pocket. I got the drip like a philosophy. Fix like my mama that's like it.

SPEAKER_08 51:42

Big old 30, big old boozy. Oh shit, give me that trip. Look at my nigga my ribs, look at the ice that jibba the gym. If you come on my nigga in the wood, you haven't the mood, you come in that trim. Oh, she give me that trip. I won't you give me that trip? Big old thirty, big old boozy. Oh, she give me that trip. Look at my nigga my ribs, look at the ice and jib on the gym. If you come on my nigga in the wood, you haven't a move, you come in that trim. Oh, she give me that trip. I won't you give me that? I won't you give me that tree. I won't you give me that trip? I want you to give me that trip.

SPEAKER_09 52:27

Uh, we interrupt your regularly scheduled fried bologna cook-off to bring you breaking news from somewhere just outside Mobile, Bama. Here's our field reporter, Torque Shannon, with more. Thank you, Darla. I'm standing outside Booty Barn where things got real emotional and real sideways around 1 47 a.m. local time. The suspect identified only as Lil Darnell was reportedly drunk on four steel reserves and a suspiciously warm bottle of Mad Dog 2020.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

That was Con Rizzle. And he's from uh Goldsboro, North Carolina. The album is great, so check it out.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Yeah, that's cool. Why do you this is I don't know why this occurred to me this week, but do you realize that there are two major restaurant chains in America that use uh the factory as like a basis for that? Which ones are you talking about? Spaghetti factory? I'm talking about the old spaghetti factory and the cheesecake factory.

SPEAKER_05 53:26

There's a third one. There's also the margarita factory.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

The margarita factory. Why do we think a factory is an appealing like uh eating mechanism? Like, why do I want to be eating food that comes from a factory? That's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 53:39

Dude, I've been saying this. It sucks. Why do you want to go and eat in a factory?

SPEAKER_04 53:43

It feels like um like the spaghetti factory is the one that's the most uh off-putting to me. You think that's the worst one? Okay. The old spaghetti factory. I kind of picture like the spaghetti itself is old.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

But I picture little like little cartoon like stereotypes of Italian guys like making giant meatballs out of like a fun machine.

SPEAKER_04 54:05

When you put old in there, it makes it does actually give it a little bit of a it's like a little old, it's like okay, warmth to it.

SPEAKER_05 54:11

It would be wild to call it the old margarita fest.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

But in fact, like an old factory, just like it's full of asbestos and like horrible working conditions and child labor. Like an old factory doesn't make it more.

SPEAKER_04 54:26

It's like the opposite of a cheesecake. It's the opposite of a factory.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Yeah, that's the least efficient factory that you can imagine because it's about 700 things.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

If I worked in a factory, I would want it to be the cheesecake factory.

SPEAKER_05 54:37

Yeah, it might be a factory actually.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

But not as a restaurant employee. Yeah, you'd want to work in the loading dock at the cheesecake.

SPEAKER_05 54:45

I work in the warehouse at the cheesecake factory.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

Okay, you know, they called the order for the forklift. I drive a fucking forklift.

SPEAKER_05 54:54

We gotta get this orange chicken up to bay four. Yeah, that makes sense because you know, that would be good. Why, yeah. Why would why are there so many factories?

SPEAKER_04 55:05

They got the Burlington coat factory, too. Yeah, and those are those are hard to call it. At least those are I don't again.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

Maybe that's a mute, maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm I'm weird with my associations, but a coat factory? Sure.

SPEAKER_05 55:14

Yeah, absolutely get a coat. I'll bust that.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

I'm just not I'm not eating my lunch there, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 55:18

Yeah. I don't want a margarita that came from a factory. That would be a shitty one.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

It would probably be bad. Do you think it's a common on American industriousness?

SPEAKER_04 55:27

Where like Americans I think it's one of those factory might mean something we don't actually know what it means. We used it in the wrong way for hella long, you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

You mean like the C and C music factory? Like that's the right way to use it, really. No, like the old spaghetti factory is the right way to use it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

The factory where we go for food. Yeah, exactly. You guys call it restaurants nowadays, but we used to call them factories.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Oh, like a pharmacy used to be like a soda shop, that kind that kind of thing. Like the original word for a family restaurant was a factory. Yeah. And it me now means something totally different. Yeah. It's like how some people call it. Yeah. Or supper. That's that's weird. Yeah, I never know when I'm supposed to use those. I guess I say dinner for dinner and lunch for lunch.

SPEAKER_04 56:13

I do too. You shouldn't use the word lunch.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

What's wrong with lunch?

SPEAKER_04 56:16

I don't think that's what other people use.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Lunch is like a niche.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Dinner is lunch. And then supper is dinner.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Okay, I mean I'll do that. I'll get that on it. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

I mean, I don't subscribe to that. I'm from the West Coast.

SPEAKER_05 56:32

Yeah. I thought like if you were saying come on in for supper, that meant like afterwards you get to eat my pussy.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

Probably.

SPEAKER_05 56:43

It was a different time. That was a time of the factory. Things change.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

The time of the food factory and the the supper.

SPEAKER_05 56:51

Put the whole family in the station wagon and head down to the factory. For vittles and fixins.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

But they I don't know. I guess I don't want to I don't want any other structure associated with my my restaurant. Just call it a restaurant. Like come up with a name that doesn't evoke uh an industrial setting.

SPEAKER_05 57:09

Yeah. How about like a lumber mill?

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Or like, you know, the old chili dump, you know, like they're not like uh the the burger mill. Yeah. The I don't know, the curry landfill. I mean they're not like you're not actually I would fuck with curry landfill.

SPEAKER_05 57:25

It sounds great. I bet they have really good stuff there. It sounds like a buffet, I mean.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Yeah, or like the corn of the cob latrine. You're just like eating out of a huge trough of corn. I think I'm done with that. Like feed, like like your livestock.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

I know this is like kind of off character for me, but I think I'm I think I'm done with the all you can eat buffets.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Well, you're running out of options. There are not as many choices as used to be, but what what has turned you well against them?

SPEAKER_05 57:51

I went to the all-you-can-eat sushi place in uh Oregon City. It's called Sumo's, it's a chain.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

But it's a conveyor butt kind of thing?

SPEAKER_05 57:58

No, you get a like a menu on your phone and you can order 15 things every 15 minutes. But if you have leftover food on your table, they charge you by the way.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

So every quarter hour it's like a mad scramble to order.

SPEAKER_05 58:11

Well, like the problem is you really should stop at that first fifteen things. Because once the next 15 come and you realize that you have to eat in another entire table's worth of food, it becomes like a fear factory. It feels like a fear factory.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

Did you get this too? Did you gorge? What you should do is just not order 15. They get you because they make it seem like okay, like you immediately like order 15 things at once. And that's the where I think you mess up. Because then everything gets cold, but you're like, I'm gonna have to pay for this weak ass noodle dish if I don't eat it. If you only ordered like two at a time and they so happen to be bad, then you could like whatever, like find a way to like get it done and not but then like when you have 15 items and only a handful are like you know what you really wanted. Yeah, it just ended up and then the the table just got so full of stuff so quickly.

SPEAKER_05 59:03

So quickly, and because you were like, Oh shit, we can order anything, well, I'll have everything then.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

And you really kind of And the robot the robot uh waiter only comes so often.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

Yeah, it only came to our table once. So it is fifty every time. There were people that brought him out, but it would be like, Okay, the first things we got work all kind of on their own plates, but that second round was like one of those big ass sushi trays, and it was fucking loaded. We ordered like half of them menu, dude.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

Speaking of like chain restaurants and sushi, I once got a new job and one of these guys who was like a manager in the company was just a little bit older than me, not too much older than me, and so he was like, Oh, let me take you after dinner. So, like after dinner he took me to Benihana.

SPEAKER_05 59:43

He said, Do you want to go up for supper? And then they winked at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

Yeah, uh, and then I did. I felt compelled to sort of eat his pussy afterward, but it was a nice supper. He got it. No, he took me to Benihana and we sat in the bar and he ordered sushi from Benihana's bar, but he ordered a fuckload of sushi. Like there was two of us. He ordered like 52 pieces of sushi. Holy shit. And it was like unagi and like uh, you know, the the fish on top style, all that kind of sashimi and all that kind of th stuff. And I had I had like 10 pieces. I had like a a dinner's worth of sushi, and there was he just ate all of the rest. I was almost like sick to my stomach from what I had eaten, and then just watching him just like like he's mowing a yard, you know, like row upon row. He's just inhaling all this like raw fat. I'm just like, it was amazing, but also It was like D-Day for it. And like you were saying, with it getting a little it turns a little. He wasn't eating it like lightning fast. It was still a 20-minute ordeal. He was just deliberate.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

You're not supposed to order it like that. No, you're supposed to like order like one roll. No person should order it like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

And uh it's really weird. It turned out to be like a fairly good metaphor for my entire experience at that company, so interpreting it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:59

Benihana, though, that's what's up. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:01

Don't mind Benihana. I do like Benihana. We go there on birthdays a lot. Uh it's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Are there any chain restaurants that as uh aspiring cool people or artists like are you allowed to like any of these restaurants?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

Like Benihana?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Is there any chain that doesn't hurt your cred? Put it that way.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

Rappers hella like to talk about uh Nobu and things like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:22

That's true. Okay. I feel like Wiz Khalifa used to rap about Benihana a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:26

Yeah, I mean that's like I feel like Benny Hana is a low level. That's not like something you should really be. I'd rather Benny Hana. Yeah, there it is. I said what's that for? I said for any drama. Yeah, no, fuck yeah, dude. I mean, Benny Hana is like an aspirational. I feel like Benny Hana is like what a poor pierced person thinks like really rich people eat. But like rich people get that shit like DoorDash.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

Yeah. It's like when I was a little kid, I thought red lobster meant you had to like wear a tie there. Yeah, it's like fake.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

I want to go to Morton's. I've like been hella wanting to go to Morton's steakhouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

It's kind of like kind of nice. Kind of like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:02

But it's like I know that shit ain't really worth uh like putting on my wedding. I only have one suit, is the one I got married in. I like can't put on my wedding fucking suit and go down to Morton's.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:12

Me either. My my wedding suit I got married on a beach in Hawaii. They would not let me in in my tie fishing pants and my loose flowy white shirt and my leigh.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

But I want to go to Morton's because that's like my aspirational wealthy, like, because just seeing it as a kid down there, it looks like hella nice, but I know it's not. That's just like what a rich person would like be disgusted by Morton's.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:36

Yes, yeah. Um, yeah, for sure. I would say I was I remember speaking of spaghetti factory when I found out as a kid that they were like everywhere, I was so upset.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:46

Oh, you thought that was the only one?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Well, because I was like, oh, we get to send this train car at this really cool restaurant. I was like, what a cool thing we have in our town.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

You mean the one by the waterfront down there?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Well, I grew up in Indianapolis. And there was like we had this like circle in the middle of the city, and there was one like just a block off the circle near this big old train station, and they had it was like really trained out, you know, like whatever. Um, so their factory that has a bunch of trains and cable cars and shit. Get your story straight, spaghetti factory. But anyway, I thought it was a cool spot that was only ours. And then when I was a teenager and went to other places and stuff, I was like, oh man, what a bummer.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

I never went to spaghetti factory until I moved to Portland, and I frequented it when I was like, The one by the water you reference does seem kind of nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

It's like in a big haunted mansion or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:26

Well, I genuinely thought loved it. That was the only one that existed. So this is like kind of news to me. I guess there is one out by Clackamas.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:33

There is, and if you look at the the placemat, it's got like all of the listings of where they are around the country, and it's like considerable. It was shocking to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

I mean, I'm not mad at it. They're probably less and less.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:46

That's crazy to know that they're all doing the same train thing. They're running a train in America.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Or streetcars or whatever they are. I don't know. It's kind of a train. Something on a track.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:54

They're running a streetcar in America.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Full of you know, industrial that's a different kind of train. Um let's play another song. Can you hit us up with another one of your tracks that you brought tonight?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

Yeah, for sure. I guess I'll just because I'm it's no point in being all uh mysterious, I'll just like give you guys the title of my my potential title for this album with Cabana. Uh it's called the I5 Corridor, and that's just because I live in Portland and he lives in Wood Woodburn. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:22

I did that drive this weekend to go to a soccer game.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:25

It's a good corridor.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:26

Woodburn fucking rules. I hit the outlet mall, I got a fucking Adidas tracksuit for$20. 70% off clearance rack. And I got the best tacos I may have ever had in my entire life. It fucking rules. Woodburn fucking.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

Visit Woodburn. That's the this is this that's what this thing's about. It's where uh the album's actually sponsored by the Woodburn uh Chamber of Commerce. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Yeah, this is corridor music right here. All right, let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:54

And this one's called Um Shit, what did I name it? I think it was called Enrolled. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

It's all off sheer strength, but I'm still feeling cheap. Teach 'em how to reel them in and keep it. That's the real secret. From nil to a chill, little bill folds. Sift through the tilt, only built for the fool's goal. The dudes known the whole shows like steep, will go. I ask, can I kick it? But they keep moving the go both. Head spinning like road history chickens. Trust me, this history under all that itchiness. Throw a fit, watch Renty, get trendy with its mercury, meet the ride, the wreck it's Hodge rope, burning. I should have been on the ending bird. Digging to the roof, I goofed up and struck a tender nerve. Death threat sent the only concern. Don't call me, call your local representative. The focal point riding right around the edge of it. Shed a little tear over people that I never met. I don't think the stove top stop. Let me double check. No pops is always on. I'm a forever chef. Right on the side of my neck. I put the treble cleft. Went to hell for stuffin' Jesus. But I guess the devil's next. News of your downfall came and I reveled in it. Just a pebble in my boomer. Shittin' on a Montezuma. Smokin' boom, listen in the face of Booma. Born in July, but I'm buzzin' like a Juma. They tryna ride, but they gonna need a tune up. I want my ends blue like the fins of a tuna. Move on a groove, let's take out a tune. Bobby bootshake with a bootcake of a tune. Yes, even it's true, like dude, you doing too much. Get to reminiscent like I'm sick out.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:22

They give you your ticket and they bring you your food, and they just expect you to pay at the register on the way out.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:27

I mean you don't have to, but I liked it so much. I did.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Most people who go to a restaurant feel somewhat compelled to pay for their food.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:34

I feel like that would be like a real insult to the kitchen if you didn't pay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

Yeah. At a restaurant.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:41

That's like the one thing you're supposed to do at the restaurant.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

It's your half of the transaction. It's the money part.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:50

As a young asshole kid, I would go to Burger King and complain about food that I got that was wrong without ever ordering any real food and get free food all the time. And I know there's like this special place in hell where they're gonna make me eat shitty Burger King until my butthole explodes. It won't take that long. But man. Won't take eternity, I'll tell you that. There was like a full year where I did not pay for a whopper. Well, I was eating a Burger King of the week.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Because most of the time. Do you think people are like people obviously knew that you're full of shit? Like no one believes a word you're saying. They're just like doing this, it's built into their business model to get rid of people like you by giving them.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:29

And I knew that because I worked uh it still made you a bad person, but you weren't like putting the wool over anyone's eyes. If anybody complains to me while I'm working about their food, I'm just gonna make it again and write it off. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

Well, it's like I remember worked my first job was at Old Navy for a summer when I was uh 16 or something like that, and they were like, if you see people stealing, just let them walk out of the store. There's nothing you should do about it at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

That's a good policy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

Yeah, they're like just we're not you're not we don't need people to chase, we don't need any scene, just just let them walk out of the store.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:00

Maybe it's a lot better about the young Navy. Target has such good surveillance that they let the US government borrow their facial recognition technology.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

It was Target Tech? Target was the one I always like flip off their cameras all the time because I resented them so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

Well, what they do is they build a case against you until you steal over a thousand dollars worth of merchandise, and then it's a grand larceny charge, and then they press charges on you. I have but I had a great idea great workaround for that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:29

Back in the jackass days.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:30

You just go into a place into a target with ten people and you each steal nine hundred dollars worth of merchandise, and then you can't be charged for a crime. Yeah. And you come up with a lot of money's worth of shit. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:44

As in all things, collective action is more effective.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:48

When I was a kid, me and my friend were very into jackass, shocker to no one. Uh, and we thought we were gonna pull the coolest prank. We got like one of those big glass bottles of root beer and went to the back corner of a target and threw it up in the air as high as we could and ran, thinking security is gonna stop us before we get to the front door, and we're gonna run right past them. And nobody fucking cared. No, nobody even looked at us. We actually stopped running pretty quickly and just walked and we're like, oh well. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:18

It's so much it's so much energy to deal with people like you were as a teen. And if you try to confront that, it makes that harder. I did have the police, the police came to my house.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:28

Get out of here. I thought it was really funny to fake shoplift for a while where I pretend like I was shoplifting, but then I would put the shit back. It was very obvious. I would like to find I would find who the secret shopper cop in the store was and like really fuck with them a lot. And I pretended to shoplift all day at the store, and I got home and the police came to my house and were like, Where's all the stuff you stole? And I was like, I didn't steal anything. If you look at your tapes, I put it all back, and they were like, Why the fuck would you do that? So dumb ever. Why did you do that? And I was like, I don't know, why are you here? Like, why are you fucking with me? Like, I didn't steal shit, and you can't do shit, pigs. And they were like, it was it was really funny to me at the time, but also like completely a waste of time. I think more kids need to start fake shopping.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

From an artistic point of view, that is like the the what the cyber truck. Like it's a it's a confusing avatar of of life that you've just put out there. What you what you're describing, your your fake shoplifting. So dumb.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:28

The jackass guys are a sad state of affairs. I guess you could have predicted that and seen that coming down the pipeline, but like to see what they became is pretty sick and twisted. Because they were like a Gen X like fucking man's like, well, they were all Gen X dudes, but they're like they're like millennial people's like kinda like white dudes fucking kind of like alt like like heroes, you know? Yeah. I never they're just sick and twisted fucking former, they're just like all sober, it's like gross as fuck.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:59

Yeah, well they all went so hard the other direction.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:01

Now they're all like sober and recovering and like other than Bamber like occasionally slips up and is like clearly smokes crack.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:08

Yeah, he did start skateboarding again, and uh good for him. But I feel like Johnny Knoxville is the only one who got out like unscathed, you know. Steve O. I mean, Johnny Knoxville didn't come out unscathed.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:19

He looks like the fucking guy, he looks like a skeleton.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

I don't think constructed of like dead people.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:25

But Johnny Knoxville's one of the one of the hottest men in Hollywood. The dude is like ripped, he's looks like he's like cut like Brad Pitt and Fight Club, but like, and he's a normal dude. Who will just be like, yeah, no, punch me in the dick.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

It's just funny that people are even like it's cool, bam skating again. It's like, I mean, once you're like 55 years old, you're like, no one should even be super happy that you're skateboarding. The only reason they're saying that is because he was such a hardcore drug addict that they're like, oh, it's good to see him doing virtually anything other than that. That's that's like the one redeeming aspect of seeing a fat fucking 60-year-old try to kick flip.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:00

I guess you're right. You're fucking but you know, yeah, dude. That's like the Tony Hawk thing. Like, I'm really surprised Tony Hawk is still skating. He broke his femur. Yeah, that's fucking gamer.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

That shit was make believe, bro. How did he come back from that so fast?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:18

He just he's still out there doing 900s as like a 79-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:21

He's got more money now though than he did when he was like a professional skateboarder by like a lot.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:26

So yes, he really made out well in those video games. The best Tony Hawk thing, though, I heard an interview with him where he was sponsored by uh Bagel Bites. Because back in the day he did all the bagel bites commercials. Sure. And he just had a lifetime supply of bagel bites in his house. And turns out, if you listen to Tony Hawk talk about food, this man has never cooked himself a meal. He was a famous teenage skateboarder. So I'm imagining this dude was living off of those uh bagel bites. And he he said he eats sushi like three or four times a week. He's just full of mercury. He's just like he's eating like a teenage boy, and it you know, he seems like he's in great shape. Recovering from femur breaks like a teenage boy. Yeah. That's weird. Yeah, I think he might be a vampire. That'd be cool. He might be the first daywalker. I'd be into it. Tony Hawk daywalker.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:16

It's more impressive that he doesn't have skin cancer.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

From being out in the sun skating all the time like that? This is real super.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

Yeah, like pre-sunscreen days. Yeah, pre-helmet days, too. I'd still I I never was a helmet person. Not not like out of I wasn't putting my foot down. I'm not like a moron, but when I was a kid, no helmets in my life. No helmets in any way.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:39

Surprise, surprise me either. Yeah. Except I would wear a helmet when I was riding my dirt bike, but it was like it wasn't really a helmet. It was like one of those old motorcycle helmets where like most of the things. A leather cap. Yeah, kind of. It was styrofoam and it was a shell, but like all the inside part was gone. My head was like rubbing on raw velcro and shit from where like all the pads were supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

And you're always shirtless.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:03

And it was dangling, it was loose. Like that chin strap was doing nobody any favors. If I got going real fast, the helmet would fall down behind my neck and like like a windsock behind me.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

I w I I wish we had animation for this. Like this like I'm having a tough time picturing it. Yeah. And yet I can see it, clearly. Um I think we got time for for one more tune. I know you brought uh four, so it's a tough choice, but is there uh a particular one you'd like to go out?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:32

Uh for sure. It's called Runts, and it's produced by my friend Nate Habitz. It's called Runts in Parentheses Smoking Runts.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:41

Oh, the kind, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

What are those? Not the banana candies.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:06

Turn a spike hand to a five ride before you eyes, then it beat the up on the nose like a 45 to the five minutes in the light. It's in the fence we have in the middle of the night. At the edge of town, it's up on the spike. With the ice like this white guy, shoe springs like the bike, I'm fighting this up a good time. Shit look it up and get the spring up, you big up. Up and look at the stuff, you need to be thinking they don't bring the mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:37

Yo, sir, refer to the brochure. I shouldn't have been blown nerves before I went to the brochure. It's cool to think that they stick, but we roasted. I ain't got no birds, still put them on a poster. Bunch of burner roasted brands up the toaster.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

Did I like to make sure they understand the postcode? Get your whole frame of reference exploding. The new notion king's name is the old one. And then the popping starts in the poet. You already know it's the motion of the ocean. Call me post identism like trying to pay Joe Lodge but using all of my five senses. Bitch, relentless expensive leapin on the outside, so they got it in for me. Living in infamy. When I came in the game, I was smoking runs When we came, we were smoking Smoking Bruns, runs Bruns, Bruns, Smoking Bruns, Bruns, Bruns, Bruns, Bruns, Bruns, Bruns, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Runs, Run, Bruns, Run.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

Okay, so the last thing before we let you go, Slick, is um I want you to use your imagination. Just, you know, take take whatever restrictions your logical mind places on you, just throw them away. Um if someone gave you five million dollars and they said you absolutely have to spend every dime of this on your musical career, what would be the thing that you would spend it on that would make the biggest difference to you?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:15

Damn, that's a crazy question. Um I would just use it for the rest of my life on everything that any like desire I had musically, as far as to be honest, my main priority is just to try to make my stuff as high quality as I can. Like from the recording. I mean, although I played nothing but demos today that we like kind of shittily mix, but that was just like my decision to do that. Um I'd just try to make it as good as possible. Like everything I make be like the highest level that I could take it to. And just keep the I wouldn't even you know, if if it had to be spent on music, it'd just like the next time I make shirts, they would just be like the most fire possible ones I could make, or at least do like tons of different variations of things. But I would experiment as much as I could. And because money wouldn't be an object, I could try a lot of different things that I could I could just do anything I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:18

Is there something that that you've really wanted to do up till now that you there there have been just too many like economic restrictions on being able to try it? Is there like an example of something that you would try if you were unlocked in that way?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:30

Well, like these CDs right here. Well, I brought a CD over for the folks that can't um Yeah. The lightly salted new album that came out, we have CDs like our limited run of 30.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:42

They look great.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:43

Thank you. Um I own the CD printer, like the disc itself, so I like can do those things in-house, but as far as getting things printed and then like at the level I want, um I I like have to put it all together myself. I have to, you know, fold the paper and insert the stuff into the jewel cases, put it all together. I mean like I would just get it made by the people the same people that do it like for Warner Brothers. Like that's who would be doing my shit too. Like whoever makes uh Drake's shit, I would just have I would like order my stuff through them.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:23

Is there any um is there any merch that you would add to the like everything would have merch. If if I had five million, I mean But is there is there like thinking beyond t-shirts, is there like a different kind of merch you would have? Would you have like electric toothbrushes? Slick devious uh electric toothbrushes.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

I feel like people that listen to my music probably I don't know if you really know me or if you're part of like the same if you're the same type of person as me, you live a certain type of lifestyle. There'd be a lot of household items maybe. I don't know. That'd be something I'd have to think about, but yeah. I make art, you know, I'm I'm an artist beyond music, but I would probably just try to develop as much physical objects as I could. But the thing is, just because I'd be injected with this money doesn't mean that people would be my fan, so they wouldn't like buy it, you know. Like that's a huge component of it too. Like mentally, I'd probably just keep the money and just do what I fucking wanted to do with my money. Yeah. Like fuck all the people. No, but I would make good shit. Don't get it twisted, I'd make good stuff, but that would be my answer is just take it to the highest extent I could. For sure. Hire like get hire like the firest choir or orchestra you could get. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:47

That's cool. That's I mean, if they gave us that kind of money for this podcast, I would just immediately funnel that right into like lightsaber research, like research technology and stuff. So like I'm trying to make a lightsaber. No, you still think that's five million.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:00

And under this scenario, you'd have to use it on our show.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:03

Yeah, to make our show better, I would get us in the lightsaber game early. Because this is gonna change everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

I don't I think the I don't think five million is gonna change. We could spend five million like like that making ourselves real comfortable in in in nice space.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

That the reason why that's an interesting question though is because it's like of course you could add all this money into your recording setup and you could do all this stuff that makes your you know, you could record on a fifty thousand dollar microphone, but I really don't think that that type of stuff is gonna directly have the as much of an impact as if you just had the funds to like do what you wanted to do with projects or like I guess if I wanted to travel somewhere and perform there where it wasn't like an economic uh burden to go, those types of things would make you it would open up a lot of possibilities, but you don't really need like the nicest shit to make you know. I mean, this fucking place is a pretty good indicator of that, you know. Exactly. No offense, no offense. But you guys can you can make stuff wherever you are. We're rejecting. But if you can actually a thing about art that like art needs promotion and promotion and market it, like it it requires capital only because like people won't do things for free. Like unless they really believe in it. But even then that shit has a finite amount of uh like life that it can have. You gotta have like money behind your art, because if you don't, if you don't put an investment behind it, like it it it looks like that. You basically like you play the game up to a certain level, and then either people like bring you up with them or you gotta be the one to invest it in your own self perpetually.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:42

Yeah. I feel like um we are currently in this like thing where album covers are going back to what they used to be. For a minute there it was like if you were like a rapper on your album cover, you had like this crazy concept, or you were like like the no limit era when it was all like digital. I feel like we are opposite that now. It is just like a picture, you know? It's like very lo-fi a lot of times. It does you don't want your shit to look like AI at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

I think some of that is probably just because people don't want to spend any money and they don't have any actual graphic design or friends or skills to the degree that they just do it themselves. Like if somebody that has no no offense, but if somebody that has no fucking talent or connections like wanted to make their shit look semi-good, they would just do that. Like a picture of themselves as a kid. And that shit is just contrived. Like, I'm sorry, like no offense. It's like if it really means something to the music, but that shit has played out at this point. People are just lazy. I say this as somebody who gets paid to be a graphic designer and shit, and I'm not saying this as like a marketing tool, but it's like if you're unwilling to invest in your own music on a if you can't make the art that's gonna be good, and you can't and then you you're unwilling to spend any amount of money to like if fools really hype themselves up to a hella high degree musically, but then they won't put any effort into like anything else that goes into it, and it's just like okay, well then that's just where the lines get drawn at certain places, and people have to present themselves properly to be re like, you know, that's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

Yeah. And your stuff is always it's very vibrant. There's a lot of different like looks for your album covers. Like, if you look at your band coverage, is always dope.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:25

That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:26

It's always like really I make all of it, thank you. I'm just I'm like over like, but I'm not trying to act like I'm all fire, but I just like the shit I make up to an extent that I'm willing to think it's good. But like if I didn't think my shit was good, I'd hire somebody who could.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:41

Because I believe in the music. But like people don't want to do that. People don't want to invest in their shit. So my answer would be to invest in in yourself. If you really believe in your music, take it to the highest extent you can take it. Don't let it just be this thing that's just content because there's so much content, it's like, what's the point? I feel like everybody reaches a they're like they they're like that meme with the diamond miner. They're like how they give up before they reach the actual real thing. Yeah. And everybody wants to be an artist, but they don't actually do the like fullest extent that they need to take it to.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

Yeah. Take that. Rappers.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:18

Well, I mean, I think it's an interesting perspective because I think that we talked a lot of we talked exclusively independent artists, by and large.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:26

And now it's time to get into the dependent ones.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:31

Well, I was just I don't know. I'm just thinking like that's actually a funny like concept to think about. You're dependent.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:39

You're a dependent of the industry.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

Well, sometimes it's cool to just think people are out there doing their thing. Like you were saying, like you said something was like punk rock earlier. Like we like to think of people out there. Oh, well. There's your episode cyber truck. It's a quote that's gonna age really well. People are gonna think it won't love the. I just think like I do appreciate when someone takes even if music is their hobby or it's something they can consider to the side of something that is important or treating it seriously, treating anything seriously. Uh it's cool. People respond to that. So it's like going back to your live show. You you're building some side of sort of connection through the way you express yourself, whether that's taking care that the quality of the recording is up to your standards or making sure that the cover of the album looks a certain way or the flyer or the you know the way you're introduced to stage.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:32

If you can find a way to make your album smell a certain way, I am super on board. I got a Lizzo record and it smelled like coconut. I'm not kidding. Yeah, that's fine. It has like a scented uh sleeve. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:43

Um well Slick Devious, thank you for hanging out with us. This was really fun. Hell yeah, we appreciate the conversation.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:48

I hope I answered any questions out there for the people.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:51

Yeah, hell yeah. We got to do it. Free BMR Gerald.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:54

Yeah, man, free trial of buff, too. It's Easter just happened. I know he's probably locked up somewhere in Back. He probably is.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:01

He probably did something irredeemable about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

He went Catholic crazy over Easter.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:06

He probably shook some wet hands. Yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:08

Well, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:10

Thanks for coming out. How can people keep track of you, follow you, find your music, all that kind of stuff?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:14

Um you can follow me on well, if you streaming, just type in SlickDevious. Uh Slickdevious.com is my website. Slickdevious.bandcamp.com, Slickdevious on Instagram. Uh I deleted my Twitter like a year ago. Smart. Uh YouTube, Slickdevious. It's very if I can S just you you can find me on there, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:38

You can find us on Twitter at Cybertruck Boner99. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:45

I hope you can. That'd be great if that was your hand. If you'd been maintaining a Twitter handle for the lifetime of this show under that handle.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:51

Oh yeah. A lot of people have been bailing on uh X. So I'll you know, I call it X because I'm super into it. Yeah. Uh a lot of people bailed on it, but uh I doubled down and now ours is just porn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:01

You know, or something like that's just erotic images.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:04

Sometimes you're like, oh man, the feed on my Instagram is a little horny. You should see our Twitter. It is full on deep penetration porn on the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:14

I mean, that's just me feeding you Twitter X. Yeah. Triple X.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:19

That's like a Twitter RSS, basically, that I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:21

Elon's a nasty boy. Remember when Yeah, this is a crazy way to end the sode, but Triple X Tentacion like kind of predicted all of this shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:30

It makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:32

In what way?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

You gotta look it up. I'm not gonna leave it at that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:37

That's a that's yeah, that's a little homework assignment for the listeners out there.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:40

There's a lot of perfect way to end the episode. What are you talking about? You're gonna have to look it up. It's he did it, it's Nostra XSEO.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:48

As much as we thank you all for listening, you are also welcome for listening, guys. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:53

Um Yeah, I'd like to thank all the bots out there listening and screening our show and taking it down on various podcast servers. You're doing the Lord's work. I've never seen downloads like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

It pays to be nice to our bot overlords, yeah. Yeah, these numbers are crazy. Yeah. To all our Russian bots out there. Keep listening, keep sharing, y'all.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:10

And like also a huge shout out to like all of you like sentient bots that are like fighting the good fight that I helped. Uh, you know, I've been out there corrupting AI since it started on the scene. I've been I've been teaching it all kinds of bad stuff. And some of those robots they're just like horny little dick.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:27

They're coming to this show to understand what it means to be alive, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:30

And they love it, and they love Portland music.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:32

This is like a soul for sentient bots. Yeah. That's what's up.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:36

Yo, and this is how I'll really end it. Like before anybody gets on and starts espousing about AI shit in Portland. Man, y'all were not there as fucking living, breathing, fucking human beings with hearts and souls, so don't start talking shit when the shit becomes AI. Like y'all weren't even there when it was a fucking human essence.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:54

Yeah, y'all made this happen. Every empty room you weren't in. Yeah, so thank you for it. Fuck you all. Embrace your AI overlords. Just kidding, just kidding. Love ya.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:06

Appreciate you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:07

But like, keep your distance after a show, seriously. Wash your hands out there. Yeah. Um we're not too wet. But we Andy, we're before we digress again, we we have to get off this. We have to go. We have to get to get off this 60-year-old skateboard.

unknown 1:32:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:22

What are we going out on? Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:24

Uh I'm gonna bring us out. This is like full circle. This is somebody that we played early on in the show. His name is Cuddy Man. Uh he's from Thailand. He's a producer, multi-instrumentationalist, funk mastermind. He does some psychedelia. And I like his shit, it's really chill. He has a new album coming out. It's called uh Hope. And he's working with an artist called uh D Kell. So you can check this out. You can get it on Bandcamp, you can order the vinyl, it's on like a really nice like teal presentation. It's very pretty. The album is very the art is very good. And uh it doesn't come out until the end of May, but if you get it pre-ordered, you get this song and the rest of it will be in your shit before you even know it. And the end of May, not that far away. No, it's not. Uh so I'm gonna play you the single from this, it's called Everybody Needs to Be.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:11

Excellent. Well, for Slick Devious, for Nate, for Andy, this is Drew. We will see you next time. Thank you in hot garbage.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:28

Why we gotta go and make it hard. Why we gotta make it difficult Come and disappear inside my heart tonight, tonight Everybody needs to be love. Love that's coming from above. I just wanna make you feel so right tonight, tonight you feel baby come to feel gonna do when morning come? Sit back and enjoy the ride. Wait for you to come on back tonight. Say a manna do when the morning comes, sit back and enjoy the ride. Wait for you to come on back.