Dream Beatings with ESSIE AND THE HUM

Named one of Portland’s best new bands by the Willamette Week, ethereal indie folk band Essie and the Hum seem to have sprung to life fully-formed, with a musical cohesion and creative clarity that belies their scant 13 months together. The whole band is in the house this week to peel back the curtain on that creation myth and dive into the moments of change and growth that have propelled them so far. We also get into the gremlin-core good looks of Billy Joel; bone-conducting as an audio medium (pro or con?); gnat jewelry;  and paper eating (decidedly pro). 

Music this week:

“I Am a Flower” by Essie and the Hum (22:34)

“Fauna Song” By Rapman Gavin and Jesse the Tree (40:15)

“Raccoon Eyes” by Essie and the Hum (1:06:15)

“Nausea” by Laska (1:24:59)

“La Bruja” by Arteaga (1:42:32)

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_08 0:12

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's Premier Music, Discovery, and Interview Show. My name is Drew. I am your co-host. Joining me as always is my dear friend, the beating heart of the show, my co-host Andy. Oh boom, boom, boom, boom. Right on cue, Andy. Yeah. That arrhythmic heartbeat of yours. Our silent partner Nate is with us. He's making the sound happen as he does each and every episode. Andy, I had a question. I was thinking about this in terms uh because you're you're like uh the food connoisseur in my life. Do you think we've reached a peak food era?

SPEAKER_05 0:52

I mean I think we did a while ago, and we've been kind of just like doing the same thing for a long time. I think we need to come up with like new kinds of foods.

SPEAKER_08 1:05

You think there's we're due for a food innovation. Because I just think we're like every time now I see like a social video or I see a new restaurant, it's always you know, I feel like I I can't be impressed by something new anymore. Like I I I'm I'm reverting back to my old standbys. I'm going to like, what is my favorite burger place? What are my favorite pizza places? I'm kind of like retrenching. I'm doing that with drinks too. Like I was like, I like I like some rum. So I would usually go to places and try their like weird rum cocktail, but now I'm like, what do I I I want I want like a Chi Chi at Sandy Hutt with a rum float. That's what I really want.

SPEAKER_05 1:39

I mean, I like a lot of raw eggs in my drink, so you have to kind of be careful when you do that. Like a pisco? Yeah, like pisco sour. Delicious. Yeah, just whip up an egg white in my drink. And I you know what? Then I feel like I have to go to a fancy place for that.

SPEAKER_08 1:53

I can't just get that at like You can't get a gas station pisco sour.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Gas station pisco sour sounds pretty nasty. Yeah, it sounds pretty good.

SPEAKER_08 2:00

It'd be like egg drop soup. Yeah. What's what's uh the fusion food food fusion that you think worth?

SPEAKER_05 2:07

Oh, my new favorite food fusion food is definitely curry pizza.

SPEAKER_08 2:11

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:12

There's a chain of them that have kind of worked their way into the area and like a like a tiki masala. Like a tiki masala to chicken pizza is a little bit. I like it.

SPEAKER_08 2:22

Alright. Maybe food is thriving still. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:26

I wouldn't think cheese and curry in my mind would be like good, but it's great. It works.

SPEAKER_08 2:32

Well, it's good to know. I'm glad to hear that there's still horizons I have not yet crossed. Uh we have an an amazing show. We had uh uh from the band Essie and the Hum, we had Essie and the Hum. We had the whole band. The whole band. We had the whole shebang. We had Steven, we had Paul, we had Jax, we had Essie, and really cool hang tonight. Um they're a band that was recently named one of the best new bands in Portland by the Willamette Week. They haven't been around long. About less than a year that they've been playing together. So we talk a little bit about those origins, because I think that they're still a vital part of the band's story. We talked a lot about um how their songs have evolved since they began playing together, what sort of the definitive version of those songs is like, since there are so many of them floating out there, and we talked about what the meaning of live music is for them as a band. Yeah. So we covered some pr pretty cool ground. There's some there's some fun stuff tonight. We also got into large swarm swarma and paper eating. That's true. Heavy on the paper eating, giant swarma.

SPEAKER_05 3:32

Bone conducting headphones. There's a little bit for everyone.

SPEAKER_08 3:34

Yeah. Whatever your flavor is, you're gonna get it. Um Essday and the Hum, follow them on social media to find out what they're up to. They uh recently built a website, so visit that website to uh understand when they're gonna be playing here. Big full summer of live music for Essday and the Hum in Portland, so keep an eye on that. I think you're gonna want to after you hear our conversation with them and hear their music on this week's episode of Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

That chair, that chair is rough. I have to roll out of it. I use it when I go camping a lot, and it's just like you can tell how much I've been using that bit. How dirty I am.

SPEAKER_08 4:22

Yeah, it used to be a waist high, and now you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Yeah, my butt's on the floor. Like, why are you covered in dirt, Candy?

SPEAKER_05 4:29

Well, I've been sitting.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

That's what chairs are for.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 4:34

Are you sure?

SPEAKER_00 4:36

I'm not sure what else you do with the chair.

SPEAKER_11 4:38

I don't know. You could you could probably throw it at someone.

SPEAKER_08 4:44

I was exactly thinking that very same thing. I don't know why I thought that, but it seemed like a pretty easy thing to do with the chair.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

It makes a really like ineffective like glove for baseball. If you like open it and close it, if it's a camping chair.

SPEAKER_08 4:56

Have you all ever done anything like when you've been angry that you like is ineffectual and that you regret but is akin to throwing a chair? Like I once uh punched a a really hard wooden chair once and like broke my finger, and just like for you know, it's idiotic thing to do when I was like 22 years old. Have you all ever done anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

I've never thrown anything, but not that I can think of, but I had a dream last night that I got in a fight and I was like using uh there were these people that came into my boyfriend's house and were trying to put in on fire and so I was trying to stop them and he was hiding for some reason.

SPEAKER_05 5:36

Because he hates fire.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah, he was no, he was like there after me. You can't tell him I'm here, and I was like, so I was like, I thought he was a Frankenstein. And but I had like this um two things in my hand. I grabbed like this these handlebars, like this metal handlebars.

SPEAKER_05 5:53

And hey Greta, we're recording a podcast. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Oh sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 6:03

What do you need?

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Um nothing.

SPEAKER_10 6:05

I was just saying.

SPEAKER_05 6:07

Uh oh. That's okay.

unknown 6:09

Bye Greta.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Alright. Bye Greta.

SPEAKER_08 6:12

That's a first. That's an absolute first.

SPEAKER_11 6:14

That was the best special thing ever. That was the best thing. That was good.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Greta can join if she wants. Yeah, if she wants. But anyway. Oh yeah, I had some like these metal handlebars, and I started like beating him with them, and it was super intense. But you know in dreams when you're like trying to do something, and like when you start punching something and you're like just barely punching it, but you're using all your might to do it. It was like that, but with handlebars. And then he also had handlebars that were bigger than mine, and he was like, I've got these. So now it's just like actually on defense mode, just trying to block his handlebars.

SPEAKER_08 6:54

What is the uh what's your psychological take on that?

SPEAKER_00 6:57

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_08 6:58

Did you wake up and look at your boyfriend with a little ick? Because he had sort of hidden while you while you defended his home in his honor. Was there just a little residual post-dream ick?

SPEAKER_00 7:07

I don't know about that, but maybe I was just confused and concerned for why you was like, Why are these people after you? And my siblings were in the house too, and I was like, you guys need to leave right now. It was super intense.

SPEAKER_08 7:21

Did you know the people that were starting the fire?

SPEAKER_00 7:23

No. It was four people, it was one woman, three men, and they were yeah, it was it was very strange.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

It was Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

It was Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_08 7:33

Billy Joel is a sax run player, one of his backup singers. Yeah, it was like we didn't start the fire. Second percussion. But we do in dreams. Yeah. They did start the fire.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

In dreams, they want to.

SPEAKER_08 7:44

That explains the handlebars.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

It does. What do you guys think of Billy Joel? Not a fan. Really? But the older I get, the less I care.

SPEAKER_08 7:52

I heard a uh take on another podcast that was like Billy Joel is like sings sea shanties and he sucks, and it was like way overrated. And uh I totally disagree. But Andy, articulate your dislike. What what what is there to dislike? What do you hold on to to like anti-Billy Joel?

SPEAKER_05 8:09

Oh, for me, it was just like it's this guy? This is the guy you like? Alright.

SPEAKER_11 8:15

Is that because he's like bald?

SPEAKER_05 8:18

Well, I do like I do like that he's like uh he's a tough ass looking little gremlin dude. So like he's got that going for him. Uh you know, I I love uh unconventional beauty. So Billy Joel's got that, but I I was never really a fan of his music until I got older, and then I was like, you guys ever hear this fucking piano man song? Yeah. I came real late to the game on it. And uh you know, there's a couple songs of his that I do think are okay, but I was never like fuck man. So it goes.

SPEAKER_08 8:48

Billy Joel's my favorite shit. What's the band uh official position on Billy Joel?

SPEAKER_00 8:54

We've never we haven't yet formulated what's Billy Joel. We don't have a unified answer for you guys.

SPEAKER_13 8:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 9:00

I but I have my own. I feel like I respect him. I can see the hate for him. Um I think he's a fan fantastic writer. And you know, I think he has that thing where he like had a rule where he would stop playing Madison's Square Garden until it like stopped selling out, and I think he's like still playing it, and like that's a month. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

Yeah, that's just so that is cool. Maybe maybe what I'm confusing as not liking Billy Joel is V. Very much liking him. I just avoided it because I was like, this isn't for me.

SPEAKER_12 9:45

It's kind of prolific. I mean, he's got a lot of music out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 9:50

Have you listened to him at all, Paul?

SPEAKER_12 9:52

A little bit, not obsessively by any means. But like, I don't know, there's something maybe a little bit comforting in some of his songs. Like Vienna will always like break my heart a little bit, but like I don't know. The other ones I'm like, I don't want to hear this song ever again.

SPEAKER_05 10:10

Like only the good die young. Yeah, I'm over it.

SPEAKER_12 10:13

Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 10:15

River of Dreams?

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Oh man, that song. Fucking. I went to a lot of eighth-grade dances where that was the era, and that was the song where they play, they play uh Fields of Gold by Sting. Oh man, what a fucking jam, River of Dreams. And it was just like Back to Back, just loop 'em. And uh and Kiss from a Rose. It was a fucking time.

SPEAKER_08 10:35

Some butts were getting touched at that dance. That's how you go.

SPEAKER_05 10:38

I was like, what is this adult doing? He knows these are eighth graders. They didn't like that we were busting it open either and dropping low.

SPEAKER_08 10:47

No, they never do. What are some bands or artists that the band is in full-throated approval of? Like, what are some of your touchstones that hold that hold you all together as fans and as a band?

SPEAKER_11 11:00

Big thief.

unknown 11:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 11:03

Oh, yeah, I can hear that for sure. That's I think we're all on the same page with that one. We didn't win there. Yeah, we we did recently see him see him uh uh Edgefield. And that'd be a great place. It was so it was so good. Yeah, they were amazing.

SPEAKER_12 11:18

Yeah, that's kind of early on when we first I can't actually do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

It was like last August or so.

SPEAKER_13 11:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

Was that when you could still bring chairs, or was this in the uh the towel age? This was this summer this last summer. Oh yeah, they switched it up. Now it's like you can only bring a towel and it can only be this big.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Yeah, there's more rules.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

And to me, that's fine, because I'm standing up. I don't need a fucking chair.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

We were in the standing area.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Oh now you gotta rent them. Now you gotta rent chairs, or you can bring a small towel that has to be like less size, less than a it's like a bathroom towel. It's not even like a beach cannon, just small. No.

SPEAKER_08 11:54

And the other thing about somewhere between a hand towel and like a small uh bathroom towel.

SPEAKER_05 12:00

And now like close to the stage is not considered general admission. And they'll let you in there eventually, but they really wait. And sometimes I'm just like, man, why are you doing this game to us? Keeping us away from the stage, like letting the it's like a secret separate tier of ticket sales that I'm just not willing to pay.

SPEAKER_13 12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 12:20

Yeah. Yeah. You may never see um I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 12:25

I might never get up weird with Weird Out, Weird Out or Rainbow Kitten Surprise.

SPEAKER_08 12:29

Good luck getting Weird Out tickets, by the way. Those things sell out immediately.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

Man, I was like, wouldn't it be funny if we went and saw Weird Out? He's so great. I I feel like he might be America's most beloved performer at the moment.

SPEAKER_11 12:43

That makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

It's crazy. He does have a pretty high key rating, you know. He does. It goes across all these ages in like demographics because he's funny, he does parody stuff, and he's actually seems like not a creep, which is weird. Dude, if Weird Al turns out to be a creep, that's gonna destroy my world.

SPEAKER_11 12:58

Yeah, yeah. I I think he's also just like a super a big fan of like music, you know. He just like really like I think that's where all of his kind of like parody stuff comes from, is he's just a f fan of all this stuff.

SPEAKER_08 13:14

Well, I've also heard the band is like like really talented musicians, like just a bunch of ringers that's live.

SPEAKER_05 13:19

So Weird Eld never goes for like the obvious one with the parody, he always goes for like the second or third choice, it seems.

SPEAKER_08 13:26

Yeah, because you thought living in the fridge was uh was just just off center. I would have done something different.

SPEAKER_05 13:33

I don't know what, but it would but Weird El would have been like, what's your second choice? And he would have gone with that. Feels like that's what he's given, and I love it. A lot of costume changes too.

SPEAKER_08 13:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:41

Performer. Well, his hair is so awesome too, at some point. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_08 13:46

You look like you might have uh some some some potential if you get it.

SPEAKER_11 13:49

If I could hit that like that like length, I feel like the nipple length curly hair. Yeah, his are like so tight, you know, his like curls are so tight.

SPEAKER_12 13:57

Anyways, have you ever grown it out that long?

SPEAKER_11 13:59

Yeah, yeah. For like last year to like here, yeah. It was like it was like that was when not last year, like uh like year and like year and a half ago.

SPEAKER_09 14:09

I had hair to like here, maybe. Oh my gosh. Fuck yeah, amazing.

SPEAKER_05 14:12

Weird El would be proud.

SPEAKER_11 14:14

I oh my god, that'd be so great. He'd say just call me out.

SPEAKER_05 14:17

There's a kid that I play music, I play music at a school for children every day, and I usually bring out the bangers, and there's always one kid, this awesome kid, that comes up and goes, Hey, can we play Weirdo? And he's I'm like, What song? And he's like, It's called Midnight Star. I was like, damn, that's a Weird Owl original. That's not even a parody, it's off of a really old album. It's about the Midnight Star is like kind of like the weekly world news where it's like a newspaper that's talking about Bigfoots in my car and all this shit. But man, I'm like, dude, I will play this for you anytime you ask me. That kid likes the deep cut. Everyone else can just chill. We'll play the Lion King song next, but right now Deep Cut Weird L.

SPEAKER_08 14:58

So sometimes we wouldn't talk about this, but y'all are new enough as a band that I think maybe there's like like the origin story is still having some impact on the present, right? Like you're you're still fresh enough working together that like you know you're still kind of figuring out exactly what it's gonna be. So Big Thief is this touchstone. When the band came together, did you have one of your infamous band meetings and say this is kind of like what we want to be? This is sort of like the rules that we're gonna not rules, but you know, like this is the kind of band we want to set ourselves up as. Did that conversation take place at the beginning? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

Honestly, we rarely talk about like who we want to sound like. I think we all have like influences, but we aren't, but that's like it happens because everybody's influenced in what they create by what they've you know, like heard and experienced. So I think we have influences, but we don't like have a an intentional like here's who we want to sound like. And when we when we first started playing together, we it was like this hodgepodge serendipitous kind of thing that was like thrown together for a show that was already booked, and so we were I was like, here's the songs that we can do. And then we were like, let's just put drums, bass, and uh and electric guitar to them and see what happens by June 13th, and then and that's that was the origin.

SPEAKER_05 16:24

That's awesome. Do you guys have a uh a favorite restaurant as a band?

SPEAKER_11 16:33

I feel like you should should answer that one, Jack's as the person.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

As a band?

SPEAKER_11 16:43

Yeah, I think you just speak for all of us. I don't think we can. We had like the pizza that one time that we played uh other Foucault's and we got pizza on on on the west side. Yeah. I remember that. See, this is good because a lot of first things can happen right in this conversation.

SPEAKER_08 17:03

We can we can stake out a lot of territory bands, restaurants, yeah, pizzicato.

SPEAKER_11 17:09

Well, there was I mean in the parking lot too.

SPEAKER_12 17:12

Yeah, we ate on the hood of the car. Yeah, we didn't have time. What was the I can't remember what show it was before, but um you you were handed a like foot and a half swarm. Oh, that is legendary.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

This is actually band legend.

SPEAKER_12 17:25

Yeah, this is a good lore. This is act this is the first photo in our shared album.

SPEAKER_07 17:30

It was at the bottle store on Powell in like they have like a food card pot. And we went there pre Fates show and I'd love that beer store too. That's the best beer store in the street. I was the only one that got a swarma, and it was the the biggest thing I've ever seen. And he handed it to me and he said, You will love this, and I did, and I uh and I went back and I told the band that immediately, and we just had some big smiles about it, and it was kind of like uh this is we're we're best friends now, you know. Like this is not just like a band, it was just like yeah, we like shared our first laugh, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

When you like share your first laugh with someone and it's it's like special, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 18:10

That was that was that it was like the first uh it was like the first bit, you know. It was like the first like thing that we continually started to reference. We could like cling to it. I think you would love it.

SPEAKER_05 18:21

I don't think I've ever had to want to serve me food and tell me that. That's that's fucking special. If it's like a quest, it was you would definitely love it. You would love it.

SPEAKER_07 18:29

He knew.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

He just knew sometimes when when I feel emotional and sentimental, I just think about how he meant so much more than the swarma in that moment. He didn't even know what he was saying to Jax. Yeah. He was like, You will love it.

SPEAKER_08 18:44

He was talking about that's when you get a really nice when you get this great like fortune cookie fortune, you're like, you think all the rest are stupid, but one is like, ooh, yeah. I'm keep putting that in the wallet, you know? I'm gonna carry that around and tell who's this wallet.

SPEAKER_13 18:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

Am I the only one who does this? When you get a good fortune, do you guys eat it? Yep. The paper. Yeah. I've never done that.

SPEAKER_11 19:06

You do one.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

No, I'm I'm just kidding. That's my move. When I really like the fortune, I eat that shit because I want to keep it inside of me. How does it taste? It's bad. It's paper. It's not good.

SPEAKER_12 19:18

Like, that's gotta not taste great. It's not.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

You kind of have to chew it into a ball and then just get it down.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Just take it like a pill.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Yeah, kinda. But man, it doesn't really help, guys. Turns out the fortunes are not really doing much. The papers taste bad. I should probably stop doing it. I've been doing it since I was a child.

SPEAKER_08 19:38

Do you okay? So like you still read it then, so you crack it open. Because in my mind, for some reason, I thought if you just went down uncracked as a cookie, maybe maybe it's easier. But also, those are some dry cookies. They are. The other rubber. They taste a little like paste in your mouth, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05 19:52

The other rub to my superstition with my fortune cookies is I have to eat the entire cookie and swallow it all before I look at the fortune.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Whoa. Who taught you these things?

SPEAKER_05 20:02

I don't know. I don't know where I picked these up, but it's like as a young child, this was imprinted on me, and this is how fortune cookies.

SPEAKER_08 20:09

If you keep a little bit of sweet and sour sauce, you can dunk that thing and add a little viscosity, and I bet it slides right down.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

I don't know. That's fucked up. I've never thought about this, and I've been doing this for so long that I feel like a goddamn fool. Sauce. Sauce, dude. It's right there. Oh man.

SPEAKER_11 20:25

Do you think now you have all these like hockey numbers too? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:36

It's like one through twelve and then fourteen through a hundred and four. That's that's a pretty good run. Yeah. Most days. Yeah. I'd never play the lottery though, because yeah.

SPEAKER_08 20:49

How do you choose?

SPEAKER_05 20:49

I would just eat that paper. Yeah, you would never know about it.

SPEAKER_08 20:53

I really play a lot of kino and just takes that little card down. Yeah. You know, people don't talk about taste for it.

SPEAKER_05 20:59

That's also the way you get your lottery numbers to hit is you eat the lottery ticket, but then you have no way to prove it. So it's a fucking or boroughs right there. That's really smart.

SPEAKER_08 21:08

I think we have to play some music, or else, you know. I just want us to stop talking about this, I guess. That's just my way of saying that. Uh so I would love to hear you all brought a couple songs to what would you like to kick things off with? Tell us a little bit about the first one. What do you guys want to do? There are no bad choices. Flower? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I think so.

SPEAKER_11 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Um a flower. And it is a song about kinda I guess in a nutshell, maybe about like self acceptance and finding and believing your own beauty. I think I'm all over so it's like a player. Like it's most evolved layer. Like when I when we first started playing, I was like, Yeah, so it's a volume. It's been a huge joint effort.

SPEAKER_08 22:31

Let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

The head shows you. And then you can't get it.

unknown 24:33

You didn't turn me. You didn't train me.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

You didn't put me. You just gazed at me. Do I love you? You don't have to pick me all the pen.

SPEAKER_08 28:20

Great.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

Yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_08 28:23

I always like when you see a drummer, some drummers, like when they lose a stick or something, especially if they're like sort of heavier drummers and they've got that like cup of sticks right in front of them, and you just see them like with their fluid arms, grab one on the next like upbeat and then they're right back to it. Um I'm always curious about like the moves bands have on stage. And so like a song like that, beautiful vocals and uh you know, kind of kind of a quiet groove and vibe. Like when you're singing a song like that, what are your like go-to stage moves? Do you have like a particular look you favorite? Eyes closed, open? What's the presentation like there?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

I start with the splits, because I want to be like you know, a seedling. Smart. And then I slowly move my legs together to grow.

SPEAKER_08 29:09

Just like in height. Imperceptibly over the course of the song. And by the end, that like last high notes, you're up.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

And by the end, I mean a hand. Everything is turned upside down.

SPEAKER_05 29:19

You're fucking levitating David Blaine style, like three inches off the ground. Did we figure out how we did that? Did you tell everyone how we can levitate, or is he really doing this? This is real magic. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_08 29:28

Not unlike what we just heard about. Man. But no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

I don't do that. I wish I could do that.

SPEAKER_08 29:35

And so, like the rest of you in that situation, just standing dead still in like turning seven minutes. Tears just streaming down your faces, but no expression. Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

I'm like groaning in pain. Um, what are my stage moves? Honestly, that is something. I feel like I'm a pretty stoic performer. I feel like I close my eyes most of the time, and I'm standing in one place, and it's a spectacle to be seen.

SPEAKER_08 30:07

Well, I also think you have to earn closing your eyes, and I think that your vocals do earn it. Like I don't think you I can you can just sit up there and close them for no reason. But if you're singing that, I think you can.

SPEAKER_13 30:18

Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 30:19

What about y'all do you have any like go-to moves? Who pla who plays bass? I play bass. Okay. So that's there's a lot of ways you can I feel like there are a lot of ways you can go with your the bass. Like, what's your overall vibe on stage?

SPEAKER_07 30:32

I have been told by uh Paul's girlfriend that I have impeccable like head bobs. It's kind of like my like I don't know if it's a go-to move per se, but it is definitely what I do when I play the bass. It's just kind of like really like feeling it.

SPEAKER_12 30:48

Um you've got a hip pop that you always have. Like it's almost like I don't know. I was I feel like I was doing an impression of you in rehearsal a few weeks ago, and it was like the first thing that happened was the hip popped.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Wait, is it like a s like a constant stance? It's not like a repeated.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

It's literally like it's like stepping into your elvis. Yeah, I don't know. It's like boom, but just like the first move, then it doesn't go in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:14

So either that's literally what you do, or that is the energy that you are projecting in however you do state. I love it. That's a good move. Yeah. I also think that the head nod is an important like permission giver to the audience. If you see the bass player who's like the glue, just like then everyone's like, oh yeah, okay, it's fine. It's fine for me to like go to the body.

SPEAKER_11 31:33

In all the Mrs Sippy videos that I've seen of you, I feel like you were like really kind of like move into those songs in the most that I think I've ever seen you. Like you're just like for for unrequited, you're like truting, you know.

SPEAKER_07 31:56

Well, this whole like year-long journey of being in this band was the first time I've been on stage repeatedly, so I think finally getting to that place where I feel comfortable to do things like that is cool. And it's not like it's big or anything, but yeah. It's it's uh improvement.

SPEAKER_05 32:11

Do you guys have like um if you could play anywhere in town? It doesn't have to be a music venue. Where would you pick? I've got this one chambered and I never ask it. I feel like it's kinda hacky, but there is a lot of cool.

SPEAKER_08 32:26

Just a location with the caveat that the sound is gonna sound really good. So yeah, okay. You can pick any place and you don't have to worry about like.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Oh no, good good point, good point.

SPEAKER_08 32:34

Yeah, that's so that's locked in. So that opens up, I think, a lot more locations.

SPEAKER_11 32:40

Um, it would be if we're talking any venue, it'd be fun to play like in a big in a big outdoor space, like like like the like the like the Tabor Amphitheater. That'd be that'd be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

That would be cool.

SPEAKER_11 32:56

That would be gorgeous. Or like in the middle of the woods in like Forest Park where there's like no one around except for a few people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:09

You know what else would be sweet up there? In one of those drained reservoirs, just like down at the bottom. Because I always want to get in there. I see them when they're empty and I'm like, dude, that's like it looks like a giant skate park. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be cool to fill it with people, though. That would be super cool. The sound would be crazy. It would be weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 33:25

I'd want to play on a bridge. One of the bridges. Yeah. Just like post it up in the middle there. You could have a really cool like shot zooming in. That'd be really cool. Yeah. Or zooming out. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_08 33:41

Those um those big counterweights on the Hawthorne bridge that help it raise up and down. Those are like 8,000 pounds. Like they're a huge piece of I think there's enough to like mount a band on top of one of those. That'd be so cool.

SPEAKER_05 33:54

While it's going up and down, that would be a pretty cool. Oh, the bridge attendant's gonna be so pissed.

SPEAKER_12 34:00

Um That's cool. Yeah, that is. We bust it a couple times.

SPEAKER_11 34:18

Dude, do they have bands play at Providence Park? They have a couple.

SPEAKER_05 34:23

I can't. They should have big ones. They had Foo Fighters and Green Day play there last year. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. They need to keep going with that, because it seemed like it went well and there was a lot of people there.

SPEAKER_13 34:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:34

But they only book like really big mainstream artists who can fill a huge arena, so I don't know who they would get next. Maybe Weirdo. Probably Jewel. They'd be really smart to get Weirdo and Billy Jewel.

SPEAKER_11 34:46

I would play like What a card. It would be fun to play while we're like inside of the like river, like in the river. Hell yeah. Yeah, we're like we were floating on the water. And we're playing?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Oh, we're on top of it.

SPEAKER_08 35:02

I thought you were thinking of waiting in the water.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Over the bottom of the sea.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

The bottom of the will and the river.

SPEAKER_08 35:17

No, you guys are in an airband based. Everyone else is snorkeling around.

SPEAKER_05 35:22

Perfect.

SPEAKER_11 35:23

That would be that's our ticket to fame, right?

SPEAKER_05 35:26

Like in a giant inflatable Zorb ball underwater. It would be like SpongeBob. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Oh, like where Sandy lives.

SPEAKER_05 35:35

We'll all have underwater headphones on that are like bone conductive, so you don't even need them in your ears. Yeah. You just feel it in your head.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Okay, that's actually.

SPEAKER_05 35:43

My wife has a pair of those. That shit is wild. She swims all the time with these headphones and they go against like your like in between your ear and cheekbones, and it you hear it inside your brain.

SPEAKER_08 35:54

But you can get them white.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

They're waterproof. What? And they're bone conductive. So it's kind of nice because you can still hear the outside world with your ears, but you can hear the music.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

It's rattling your bone.

SPEAKER_12 36:04

Isn't there other ones that you can like bite down onto as a bigger one? There's a biting one too.

SPEAKER_05 36:08

They made a candy out of it where you can like hear a song if you bite down on the slollipop. That's like a big thing. But it conducts it through your teeth into your head. It's pretty crazy how sound works. I had a I used to have a speaker like that where it was like if you put the speaker, it was just a sticky thing, and if you put it against a hollow object, it became a speaker for it. And you could do that. You could put that thing against your head, and it would be like, whoa, I can kind of hear it. It's weird, but I don't like it.

SPEAKER_08 36:35

That's when, yeah, when you really think about like the physical property of sound, it's really just a thing that has to rattle something else, and it can rattle, it rattles the hairs in your ears or whatever, but it could rattle anything. That's it's wild. Sound works, light works.

SPEAKER_12 36:49

I like watching guitarists like plug into like a potato and see how it affects the tone. Like or like a pickle. You know, have you seen those videos before? Yeah, they're like and like I mean, maybe they're just making it sound like a certain way, but it's kind of like a potato clock for a guitar. That was cool, kind of funny.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

The other day I was on a walk with Ruthie, my dog, and we came across a little swarm of gnats, and I w must have been like talking or singing or something because I was I made a noise and they all like scattered.

SPEAKER_05 37:23

We've got thunder games. Did you hear the thunder? Yeah. The gnats I thought they were coming forward.

SPEAKER_11 37:30

They are now mad at us and they're about to come and invade this room.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Yo, I was in a soccer game like two weekends ago, and I thought there were a bunch of gnats on the field, but as they started moving around, we realized it was a huge swarm of bees. No. And they just they just like peacefully flew through an active soccer game and over the crowd and just kept on going. I think they were looking for a new home or something. Wow. But it was really fucking crazy. For a second I was just like, oh fuck, we're all dead. We're all gonna get stung a hundred and thousand times. Yeah. There's so many. It was like a cloud. But I thought it was gnats.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Well, okay, the end of my gnat story is just that I I realized that they could hear me because they scattered when they I made sound, and then I was like, they then they reswarmed every time it got quiet, so then I was just like doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot and every time I do it, they scattered and came back together. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_11 38:28

I have heard that that that they the gnats like respond to pitch and they'll like get in like a certain certain order depending on the pitch that they so that's insane. Oh, that's super I'm not sure if they hear it. Do you think they hear it? Well, what was the vibration feeling?

SPEAKER_08 38:43

The vibration that bone thing shows that they're like uh a malleable sort of sensation.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

So but do gnats have bones?

SPEAKER_05 38:52

Are gn't just one big ear?

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Have you ever microscoped in a gnat and just seen an ear?

SPEAKER_08 39:02

Just flying ears. Everything else is microscopic, multiple eyes, just one little human ear. Human human ear. It has the same earring that Jax has, actually. It's the little gnat earring that's angles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 39:17

Oh god, that would be cute. I can see it.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

Um Annie, thing uh speaking of things you've been like displacing with sound. What have you been listening to this week?

SPEAKER_05 39:25

Oh man, I got some heaters for you. Oh, sick. I gotta find them though, because I'm ill prepared. Okay. We're gonna start off with an awesome hip hop project from um a South African rapper named Rapman Gavin. And Jesse the Tree. They put out an album uh a couple of months ago called Garden Dance. And man, there's a lot of great songs on this. This shit is pretty much.

SPEAKER_08 39:51

So far, we're like in theme. We've got flowers, trees, garden dance. This is great.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

And uh yeah. Definitely check this out on Bandcamp and go see this guy if you can. Uh I'm gonna play you a song called Fauna Song.

SPEAKER_06 40:33

Earth and fertility spirit, intimate design, sustainable habitat, assortment of organisms reside, balance, delicate tides, embers rise, wiped away, replaced with nine to fives that bring me down to size. Ancient provenance of careful grade selection, all lies. Avarice and power stand side by side, beneficence lost with wondering eyes. Consistence of the fog have me questioning the light. Some might have you believe it'll still all be alright. I spend my money on trees, burgers to breathe, don't jump around, I don't fuck with my bees. Even my face, they don't fuck with police. Trade through the roster, they rotten the meat. I watch the stars of reflecting the seeds. I see the problem effect. Let's keep it simple, mirror scream, you're in a dream. Shatter stars and metaphors, but everything you feel is real. You smile and dimples, cheek to cheek, you learn the beam, you wish too slow.

unknown 41:24

There's something more to me, there's something more to me. Let's keep it simple, mirror stream, you're in a dream.

SPEAKER_06 41:30

Shadow stars and metaphors, but everything you feel is real. You smile and dimples, cheek to cheek, you learn the beam, you win's too slow.

unknown 41:38

There's something more to me, there's something more to me.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

I want you to apologize.

SPEAKER_06 41:55

In the cave, the monster feeds and he waits, hardly faced. Only so often you can depend on the common man's grace. In a flash, the face holds a visible change. Chew on the moment, leave with a bit of taste. That's such a shame. Where did the flag blame? Brother scream, don't reach. I hit that free sprain. Please refrain from escalation. I never meant a thing. Trolman, nothing but the truth, sitting deep in your chest. Where the peace ran where every creep bang, nothing you can do to appease your fans. I just get lost on my board, just fall to the floor. Don't want to fall, such watching the walk. Every get touched with some watching my sort of cherish the magic that's out of my core. With every half an identity form, something aesthetic within my forms. Close to the ragged my memory war. Moments we gathered before I defall. He went back where he belongs.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

What he saw couldn't have been a dream. It was too real. But it couldn't have been true either. It was too deliciously frightful.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Yeah. Fantastic sample at the end of that song. Yeah. Thanks for that.

SPEAKER_11 43:01

That was so cool. I think rap is just the best. I just I am always amazed as to like the like rhythm that these rappers can find on these beats. Like that guy's uh flow was just so cool. Like so fucking cool. I just think rap is I rem I listened to uh uh like uh a lay uh a lay ton of rap in college and I kinda s stopped, but it's always fun to like revisit hang through playing that. Oh, absolutely. Good work, Andy.

SPEAKER_05 43:38

Check out Rap Band Gavin on Bandcamp.

SPEAKER_08 43:42

So y'all were named one of the Willamette Week's best new bands recently, which is a very cool honor. Uh congratulations, well deserved. Um but I'm wondering about like once you like accept the compliment, that's nice. Does it are you using that in any way? Give you some kind of does that kind of exposure give you some leverage or give you some opportunities that maybe you didn't have before? Like what happens after something like that takes place?

SPEAKER_07 44:13

I wouldn't say like using it. I think that what I've been viewing it as I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but it's just kind of uh the first acknowledgement of us and people you know saying that we're on the right track, and also obviously people read the Will Amic Weekly, y'all did, and that's why we're here, and so this is kind of the next step of that of being invited on and being inquired about, being asked to maybe perform someplace that we wouldn't have without it, and it's just kind of a step to something else. It was a wonderful acknowledgement and such an amazing show, but it is you like the first thing that's happened to us that people were like, Okay, cool, nice, good job, you know.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

Yeah, yeah. I think this is uh really cool too because you guys actually are a relatively new band, and a lot of times the best new band contest is kind of just an acknowledgement of bands that are really doing it. Because you'll be like, that band shouldn't be getting a new band, they've been a band for like 12 years. Yeah, but you guys are legit a new band. So cool.

SPEAKER_12 45:16

It's funny. I can't remember the name of the who wrote the article about us. Um but she basically was like, I couldn't find much. Like, and there's not really anything out there. I was like, oh man, we need a website search before that interview, but yeah, it's not much out there.

SPEAKER_05 45:32

Well now have uh this whole podcast about eating paper that they're gonna be able to do.

SPEAKER_11 45:36

Yeah, now we have really good taglines for the internet, be like be like eating paper and nessing in the hum.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

I feel like one nice thing about it too is like to go off of that as a new band that's been together under a year, I feel like it legitimizes us in a way to people who haven't maybe like seen us or don't have their own opinion on us. So like when we're applying to things or like you know, like trying to put ourselves out there and they can like have they can look us up and be like, okay, who is this person applying? And um yeah, and then like seeing that is like, oh okay, like somebody likes them.

SPEAKER_11 46:18

Yeah, it's like they're they're real. Yeah, it's like the way I see us sometimes when I like pitch us to like play shows or whatever, it's like this is just a really fantastic like resume thing, you know. It's like you can be like, hey, we we did we'd we've like we've done this or we've yeah, so yeah. But I also see it like it's still just us four in a like in a like room together and we're just playing music, you know. And I feel like that for me provides a a lot of like trust, and I just know I can always like fall back on them no matter what. Like I like it, like it was so cool to be voted like you know, best new band and to have that validation and it's just like still us four in this like room together, you know.

SPEAKER_08 47:18

Yeah. Does like being so new, like what is the what are the stages of like so? I'm thinking of something like this as like an external validator, right? You talked a little bit about how this is like nice to be seen, right? Uh and there are like certain benchmarks that you know bands have um that are external, but what are some of your like artistic benchmarks? Like, how do you gauge your own progress internally? Like what are the little metrics or steps that you're looking to see uh you know, as that group before and and taking artistic steps forward? Yeah, played on a bridge, played on a reservoir. Yeah, but like the opposite of that, like the exact opposite of that.

SPEAKER_11 47:57

I feel like Paul has spoken to this a fair bit.

SPEAKER_12 48:03

I don't know. I mean, I I guess I can only speak for like myself musically, but like benchmarks, like I I mean okay, we just listened to Flower, and it's like I can go and listen to that and be like, oh man, that song has changed. Like that song is has grown and developed and matured, and like whether that's been through rehearsal or like through performance, like it's a it's at a different spot than it was before. I think that in itself is is pretty extraordinary. Like there was um I went to acting school and I studied acting, and like one of the big things I tried, and I it was very hard to not get stuck in this, but like this like false re belief that you could recreate a moment, like if you made the audience laugh, and like on if if that's how if like you made them laugh when you delivered it this certain way, and then you'd try to do it again the next night and it wouldn't work. It's like, well, did I did I ask for the thing I was actually asking for? Did I ask for the laugh? You know, and like I don't know, I feel like we're we're finding things in these songs right now where they're changing, and I like the the the two Mississippi shows, which was crazy to play them in like pretty much in the same week, but like it was really.

SPEAKER_11 49:40

No way, but two times in the same week. It was really cool. It was wild, it was so cool.

SPEAKER_05 49:45

I feel like you know, in Portland that's kind of like a huge benchmark playing there at even at all. Yeah, yeah. That was the killer dream to play there.

SPEAKER_12 49:53

For me, yeah, yeah, it would be a good thing. Completely that's cool, completely.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

And we did two completely different sets. Yeah. Like our set list was compl like I think one song was the same, but so that was it was very different.

SPEAKER_12 50:06

And that helps, you know, to not try to recreate a moment where it was like, oh man, like that's cool. We get to f totally feel what this show is like on this day.

SPEAKER_08 50:16

Um let me let me clarify your analogy to acting. So is the idea with that concept of not repeating a moment is the is the idea that if you get the reaction, a specific reaction, and you want to replicate that reaction, you can't just do the same thing because that moment's gone? Is the idea that that thing that happened there is singular, and so you have to find another way to that place again? Is that am I reading that?

SPEAKER_12 50:41

Oh yeah. I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 50:43

I mean So how does that like how how do you think about that in terms of a song? Like when these songs have changed, yeah, do you feel like you have some sort of unique sensitivity to the parts that work and the parts that people are responding to? Like how are you what's the divining rod like to for those evolutions?

SPEAKER_12 50:58

That's a good question. I I feel like there are certain moments on guitar that I try to like if there's a riff, I mean, as simple as a riff or a moment, and it's like even if I play that riff one way on a certain night, the f feeling of it's gonna be completely different the next night. Um and it would be a I I think I would put myself in a hole if I tried to play it exactly how I played it yesterday. Like that just it's an impossible task. Like it literally, like the people in the in the space are gonna be different, the tone is gonna be different, like yeah, all the knobs could be the same, but like I feel different that day. And like the way I'm looking at these three on stage, like that informs everything about that thing. So like it would be a I feel like it'd be doing a disservice to the show to try to and to the people, to the song, to the everything to try to replicate something perfectly, which is the beauty of per live performance.

SPEAKER_05 51:57

That's such a cool look at like way to look at it because uh I feel like there's a lot of people that they're asked they're looking at it the exact opposite way, where they're like, I'm just trying to play the exact same thing every time, and eventually it'll be the best way I've ever done it. And your way sounds way more fun.

SPEAKER_11 52:14

And I I feel like that's like yeah, that's so cool. And I for me on when I'm playing drums, it's just like fun like fun to play a like fill that's new, or if like to play a fill that I've like haven't done before. Yeah. So my kind of like you know benchmark is like um am I able to express myself on the drums in ways that I haven't before, or like I'm able to like to like do something new.

unknown 52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 52:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:49

I I feel like uh we have this song raccoon eyes that is is my favorite to play for that reason because we get to this point and then it's like we're through the part that kind of every everybody has their own part, and then we're kind of just like flying by the seat of our pants, it feels like. And and it's like it just an experimentation of how are we that day. And we we played it at the last Mississippi show, and honestly, I wasn't I wasn't in the best like mental place that day, and I could tell by the way that I played that song, I didn't take any risks, I wasn't like trying to do anything that I hadn't done before, and and I so I didn't like submit to that song in the way that I felt like I needed to, and I could I could just feel it, and that's I don't view it as a bad thing, but it is just I don't know, it's so cool to be aware of things like that now and not just like get worried about it, but just be like, okay, that that's what happened, and how do I how can I move on in a way that brings me out of that or brings me to a place where I can feel like I can express myself. So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:54

Are you are you discovering like the conditions that make that shift easier for you? Are you as you as you do it more and more and as you play with these guys more often, are you finding more access to that place where you can really relax and ease into the song?

SPEAKER_07 54:07

Definitely. I feel like we it was definitely on like an upward incline, and then we went and recorded the song, and putting it on tape is like this funny thing where it unmoors you entirely, yeah. Like it angers you too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then yeah, it's like this this back and forth of um of of that, and and so ever since then I feel like it's been a little different for me because I hear what I recorded and I love what I recorded, and then I try to play it like it was, and it's just not the same because of what Paul's saying. It's like some of these songs feel like that, and it's so yeah, it's this give and take this push and pull that's we're still figuring out I'm still figuring out personally, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:50

Yeah, it almost seems like that would be kind of the curse of having like that hit song, you know what I mean? Because you uh you forfeit the the the ownership of that song immediately, like and then you are locked into everyone else's um ideal of what it is. Yes, yeah, and that could be you know a blessing because it that is like a it becomes this pristine little artistic thing that you created and you give it to everybody, but at the same time it is constraining. Like it, you know, nobody wants you to play the new thing. They always want to hear that thing that they hear. Um which you know, I don't I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think that's just the way things go sometimes.

SPEAKER_11 55:29

It's just like the nature of playing live is like you can't get it to sound the same way that it is to record. Like it's physically possible to get it to sound the exact same way that it did in the recording.

SPEAKER_08 55:43

Well, now I regret my compliment of your lab album because I said it was like recording quality, but now I feel like I've imprisoned you guys. That was the biggest thing. It's crystalline prison. Um now belongs to posterity. It's a it was a benchmark though. It was like this is where we were with those songs at the time.

SPEAKER_07 55:59

Yeah, and we stand. We knew that and it's so fun to listen to that album because it's not the same songs anymore.

SPEAKER_08 56:06

Yeah, okay. Let me give just a think of like the way all these songs have changed. Can you think of like one huge change that is all is for the better that you love? What's an example? Like, what's the best example from that collection of songs? Oof. I know that's there's a lot to choose from, but is there like one dramatic thing like so many fucking rares?

SPEAKER_00 56:23

I feel like well, we did record six of our songs recently, like studio recorded, and um I think that like I think that's telling of like the we can compare and contrast between the live album and like those recordings, hearing them. That's kind of where I'm going in my brain. I'm not thinking of anything.

SPEAKER_08 56:45

So the fact that you're there putting them down, you're like, yeah, these are now these are ready. Yeah, now these no longer are they're they're a new thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

Yeah, and like I guess one of the scariest things about recording too to me is like that it does feel like trapping a little bit because you're like you're recording that song as it is in that moment, and you're you're getting really into the weeds of it when you're doing like multi-track and not doing live recording. And you can really like consciously change the way that you play something, and so and then like being like this is the final product, and now this is the song. And I think that's what Jax was talking about with raccoon eyes, that's like that had this like and does. I think we all want to keep like the soul of that song alive to be this like ever-changing thing, but that's true about every song, and they're all these like ever-changing, ever-evolving beings, and they do feel like they take on a life of their own, to me. And so I think it's like it's it really messes with your head to record something because it's like now that's the the stamp of it, and you it's very difficult to not try to recreate it then, and to be like, we can continue to change this song for years to come, and we can do whatever we want with it, even if like people are like this is unrecognizable or something.

SPEAKER_11 58:06

But if but if like we want to do it or like we think it's changed enough to like re-record it. I thought I had the idea the other day, it'd be fun to like rr release like versions of r ra coon eyes like live, like every so often. Yeah, yeah. So then it's like the like the like near dead or something where you're just like putting out these like yeah shows, you know. What if we just put out like recordings of shows or something like that?

SPEAKER_08 58:35

Pearl Jam did for like one summer tour, they packaged every one of their live shows into CD and they wrapped it in like brown paper, and you could buy it off the shelf, but it was like the city. And it was like 25 cuts of the city.

SPEAKER_05 58:50

I mean, it's a pretty cool idea. Yeah, that's quite interesting.

SPEAKER_08 58:54

I think Pearl Jam was like they hated uh what's it ticket what's it Ticketmaster, they had that big fight fight with them, so I think it was sort of like their F you to still bring people live experience at the bastard.

SPEAKER_07 59:08

That's what they were like.

SPEAKER_08 59:10

I had a theory about you know, listening to what you're talking about in terms of just like wanting the songs to keep their life after they're recorded. I feel like a lot of bands now are releasing either like shorter EPs or singles, and partly that's technical. Like I feel like there's the ease of of using recording equipment and you can just like get these songs out. But I also do think now that the the singular song passes through people's lives more easily than the album. Like I feel like an album isn't especially a tether for a song. Like once you group it and you create all these like extended associations, but a small EP, it's it's more digestible, it seems like its own thing, and it if it changes, I mean maybe this isn't just me projecting, but I think it's uh it's a little more ephemeral than the album, which seems so uh permanent. That's interesting. Yeah, I like that theory. And a big album takes so much energy from y'all to like make happen. It's you know, twelve songs or fifteen songs back in the day, and it had to be just right, and that's just like a huge lift. And by the time that happens, maybe you're ready to be done with those songs. You know, maybe they have no no life left in them, but um yeah, it's just fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

I think something I've been thinking about a lot is like I think we've as people and like consumers of music, I think that we've like lost touch with like what is the song, and the song is not the recording. And I think that we because of the way we consume music, we're like, this recording is this song. But that's just a like a like a print of the song, but like the linoleum is existing and can be like re-stamped and like re-carved.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:51

That's really interesting. I like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

Yeah. I've always thought I do like linoleum a lot.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:58

I've struggled too, like having all these conversations for years with bands, I've struggled to like my my instinct as a person is that the like the base atomic unit of music is the listener. And I think about this with sports too. For me, at the base of sports is the person who loves the owner, the fan. And so all of these like industries and mechanisms that rise up around that, at some point I feel like they leave the consideration of the fan a little bit off to the side. And artists tend to do that because this work is an expression of who they are, and they can't control what people how people consume it or how they interact with it. And so to take on that burden is not an important way to think about that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:37

No, kind of an aircraft.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:39

But the way you're all talking about it, like I I've just come around to the idea that I don't exactly know where the fan or the listener needs to fit in to the band's thinking. I have no idea where I even think. How much consideration should you give to what someone how someone ingests your music? How much they care about you, if they like you, like what's your responsibility?

SPEAKER_11 1:02:02

I hope, I guess I I have had this thought for a while, but uh but I saw Alice uh PP Lou um like last month, and she was talking about uh this thing that I've been thinking about, which is I would hope that the listener would want whatever we want. And like you know, like like and like if we do what we feel is best, or what we think sounds good, or what we have like fun playing, then then if we have fun playing it, then the listener will have fun.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:48

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:49

You know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:52

Y'all have been quite rational in your uh in your your reasoning about these kinds of things. Well grounded and on the right path. Uh that is a super healthy, emotionally healthy way to think about this, you know. Something lost uh the pseudo-relationship with a hypothetical person. I don't think I would be near as healthy. I would be I don't want to be famous for any um money reasons or anything like that. I don't even really want to be famous, but I think I would want to experience what it would do to me. I think I would like I've always had this fat fantasy of you know, like uh like the never-ending story. The kid in the never ending story finds that fucking book and he's transported to this crazy world. I've always wanted to have an experience where like, alright, well, I'm going on this alien spaceship, or like I'm leaving the reality I thought. Go into this wardrobe for these bad candies. But just yeah, I just want to get like I just want my world just tilted, and shame would be like a real world way to do that. Um so I don't pursue it, but I always want something, I want a blast of a change, and I wonder how I would do that terribly. It'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

I feel like in all the universes, I think I'd do the best in Toontown. Yeah, you'd be great in Toontown. I'd do okay there. I think like other movies and franchises, I think I would probably die pretty quick.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:09

You know the thing is though, like I feel like you would dress like uh what's his name? The bad guy in Toontown.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:14

Oh no, you're that trench coat, like those little glasses.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:18

I can see it's uh yeah, it's uh Doc, what's his name from Back to the Future, but I've drawn a blink on that actor's name. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:26

His name is uh John Cena. Yeah, you're right. I can't believe I didn't remember. Yeah, like villain. Christopher Lloyd. There it is. That's why Nate is the producer.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:39

He is still alive, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:42

He was in an episode of season three of The Mandalorian. That's where I saw him most recently. He got paid for that. You know he got paid for that. Proof of life. Mandalorian season three. Um we gotta play some music. You just did a beautiful job of describing your very emotionally grounded relationship to it. I think we gotta hear some. What's the second song that you brought to share tonight?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

Okay, well, we brought Tall Enough, but I feel like I'm gonna put out there that we should play raccoon eyes because one, we've talked about it, and two, there's a raccoon right there. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:16

There's a few my confession essay is I've been waiting to see how long it takes you to notice that. It's like the first little thing I saw in the walking.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

And that's why I said earlier, do you guys have any changes to the songs we brought you want to make? Because I was thinking, I need one of you to say, what if we did raccoon?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:33

I would never for that one. Yeah, let's do it. Why not? For the listener, our walls are covered with show flyers and posters, and it is really like a Rorschach test for a lot of bands. Like they really project onto it. So that was a pretty gorgeous wall.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:45

Y'all have done a really good job with the wall in here.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:48

Do you want me to send you it again?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

Or no, it's cool. I got it right here.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:51

Okay. I think my favorite is the I want to fart E UFO one. It's a shrewd eye, okay. That's so fire.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:00

Catch, but uh street farts. It uh indirectly led to us getting some raccoon eyes, so I'm excited to give this one a spin. So we talked about the fact that these songs are all living, breathing things, and I think finally like listening to that song with y'all in the room, I kind of got like snapped into place what you meant. Given that perspective, like, is there a kind of music that you're oriented toward right now? Are you saying like, okay, I I guess are your songs as they change flowing in a specific direction that you've noticed or have attempted intentionally?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:52

All of her songs come from Essie. Um and it's kind of fun to be on the receiving end of her songs because I I think that what I've noticed is that she will come up with a song and it's kind of like a way for her to like express, obviously. Like that's what we're all doing here, but I don't she's an incredibly talented musician that is just finding things as opposed to like being like, and then I'm gonna make it sound like this. It's she finds something and then expresses herself on top of that. And and I think she it's like she she's just thinking about a lot of things, and those things are coming up like like I think she's done a song uh recently that is called Ladybug that I'm really excited to work on, and it's just kind of like an anthem for for women who are you know talked down to in our society the entire time or like told that they can't do this or they can't do that, and it's just kind of this wonderful thing. It's unlike any of our other music, but it is also it has that through line of essay and like what she's saying, and so I I think to answer your question, I don't think that there is any driving force that we're going towards besides like what she wants to say, and then we're gonna make things around that.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:22

I think we have so much so much vrrr like because Essie is who she is, and she's so honest about who she is, we just have all this vrrrr variety in our songs, and I feel like all these songs are kinda different in like their own way.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:42

I guess a d a driving force that I know the three of us have talked about, the hum supporting Essie, it's like uh I we believe in Essie. Like, I really believe in Essie's songs, and like I'm consistently swept up into them, and like Jax, you had the perfect word for it, but like talking about raccoon eyes, like you you submit yourself to that song, and it's like I find myself so often not wanting to crowd these songs, and I don't want to be overplaying on them. I don't wanna like you know, I because I'm like this what does the song need? Like what what because I believe in them and I'm I I've seen the way that they affect people and they just they there are songs that they I can I don't know, you just you look out and like see the way that like I mean tall enough really. I mean that's that's one like when you're singing tall enough and you can you can look out and see people like it's just piercing them, it's like fuck, okay. I'm I never want to stop doing this.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

Like that's I felt like that last night when I was DJing and I put threw on some bathtub shitter. I threw on bathtub shitter and this girl at the bottom was like she looked right at me and she was like, fuck yes, that's bathtub shitter, and she knew it. And then you were like, I'm in the right place right now. Yeah, so I followed it up with like uh the Oak Ridge Boys. That's perfect. It was Elvira by the Oak Ridge Boys followed up. You know, they were like, man, you can't. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:21

That was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

That was also kind. Thanks, guys. I guess my response to all of that is like I feel like I just have never like trusted anyone. Like I trusted these three with all of them. In a way that is like so effortless and so rare. And I struggle to find that way. A lot of other people. I guess it's like in collaborating like not that I haven't like tried to play. I haven't tried to play it with other many. I think it's just special and like everything that each of them adds. I like what it was meant to do this whole time. That's why part of our process I think is like I I'm not like us away. Like everybody writes their own parts completely. And I think that that's important, and I think that's something I've seen recently a lot of because of how we listen to music as recordings is artists producing their songs before they even play them live with a band. And then they get a band together and they're like, Here's the recording, play it. And it's like to me it's a way of doing things, but like to me it just like it it does take something from what music is and the experience of it as a listener. I think when you go see that live and you're like, but who made this? You know?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

Probably Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:12

Probably Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:15

He's had his hand in everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:18

You know, they on if you fly uh certain United Airlines flights they have in the on uh on Flight Entertainment, they have one of the New York the Madison Square Garden um performances that you can just watch. And I had finished a movie, I was about 40 minutes from Touchdown, so I watched one. And I'll tell you, that band gets it. His band. I mean, it's about 47 people on stage with him, but they they they buy in. Talk about trust as you chalk no one trusts anyone more than Billy Joel's like tender saxophone player. Trusts. They believe in Billy Joel. They believe in his song. They believe.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:56

That's so awesome.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:57

And by the time he was playing Good Metasagon, I trust it right there on the flight. You know? Just the the damn burst. Um moving. It really was. A once-in-a-lifetime moment. I think it's the air, too. Once every month. Yeah, the air. It is the air. When you're up in an airplane, they say that. I didn't cry at Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:21

You are more open to crying on an airplane.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:24

I see that. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

It's something. Why? I believe it's a gingerbread.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:31

I believe someone needs to study both of those things. Yeah. Because they're both true.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:35

Something about the pressure being at that level where you're like, man, my emotions are at the surface, and my taste buds are just tasting new things everywhere. I wish that they would bring back good airplane food from like the twenties. Yeah, probably when they were like medium form steak that is great. Smoke cigarettes too. Yeah. They should definitely bring back smoking in most public places.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:55

Do you all have like it's the only place I drink like tomato juice is a flight. Do you have like a specific airline beverage? Obviously, ginger ale. Yeah, ginger ale from the food. What the fuck do you drink ginger ale any other time? I don't like it other.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:07

I like ginger beer other times. Ginger ale is kind of nasty. It's too much. And then in the air, it's like this is pretty good.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:12

It's so crispy. Yeah. I love it. You know, this actually makes a lot of sense because I had a Coke Zero for the first time on a plane, and I feel like I've been chasing the high ever since.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:19

Yeah, everything tastes a little better in the soda world up there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:23

That's crazy. That's so true. Wow, that kind of blew my mind, actually. Honestly, fuck no.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:27

That's why your tears are also carbonated on the plane.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:30

It turns out they also don't like it if you bring your own liquor.

unknown 1:20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:35

They had those airplane bottles, and I always thought that meant the ones you bought before you went on an airplane.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:40

Conversely to the carbonation stuff, it's like way harder to get drunk.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:44

Trust me. I got to sit uh recently. Uh my girlfriend flies a lot, and so we get upgraded occasionally to first class for my first time in the last couple years. Wow. You never never go back.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:57

Never go back.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:59

Well, they're wearing those elbow length gloves, and they are just crushing tomatoes right in front of you. The tomato is a little bit more. It's really just more uh more humane than that like steerage in the back. Uh you know, and when you go back to it, it really it really stings.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:16

Back with us peasants, flying economy.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:20

In that middle seat in row 37.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:23

Yeah, I I fucking love it. I'm one of those weirdos that absolutely loves flying and like being with all the weirdos and stuff, because we're all going somewhere. It's exciting. Yeah, I'm the one that's like toxically excited.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:35

Do you wear a neck pillow like everywhere you go in the airport? Are you one of those people? Or like that's how you're transporting.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:43

I am entertained. I have got podcasts and movies and comic books and like prepared. What's your talking to strangers game? I have airplane bottles that I've smuggled on the plane. Oh, my talking to game neighbors is bad because I just jump right in and they're usually not prepared.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:58

How are you picking up those social cues that they don't want to talk to you? Uh pretty quick, pretty good at it. Pretty good? But just ignore. Yeah, mostly noted you button.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:07

You can just see it, but but but you're just like I love like this mental picture of you selecting your plane seat like really early, and there's all these like really valuable seats, and you're like, no, fuck it. I'm going in the back in the middle. Like, that's what I want. I want that one. I want to hear about Duluth.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:27

From Benji. Me and Benji have things to talk about. He's never been to the big city before.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:35

What big city are you going to in this scenario?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:38

Um Halifax. We're going international. It's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:43

Nova Scotia's third largest city.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:45

Yeah. I really like puffins. You know, we're going for a puffin season. Yeah. For like the babies. It's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:53

That's exciting.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:54

Very wholesome.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:55

Yeah. It's very cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:57

Uh we have time for for the the the third song in your trilogy. Uh now we have some options because we have, you know, one we didn't get to before, and then we have the original number three. But what would you like to go out on tonight?

SPEAKER_07 1:23:10

Oh boy. Do you want to plug Alaska? Yeah, I think we should play play Alaska.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:15

Yeah, let's do it. Alaska's so good. Yeah, Alaska's so good. That's why we we saw they they play with us at White Eagle. And they're so good. They're truly one of the best I thought they're one of the best bands in the city. I think that's the shit.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:33

This song is the first song I heard from them. Um and it was like the live version they put on YouTube, and I was just like, oh my god, this is amazing. Um it's been stuck in my head for a long time. Hearing it live was yeah, beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:48

This song did, I remember hearing this one. It was gorgeous.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:56

I I can I don't even know the part of the parts of the song, but it just takes me there every time.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:02

And I feel like they've only gotten just better and better with time, and they're like I think what they're doing is cool too, because Kate, who plays bass, they're now like playing songs from from her too, which is really cool. So like they all like rrrr write songs and they all bring them and then the band plays them, which is just I think a really fun way to do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:22

Yeah, so I'm calling out all of you street fair organizers. You better get this band at the Mississippi Street Fair or the Hawthorne Street Fair. Yes. Or one of those things, because I want to see them in the blazing sun of like 3 p.m. Not just not a quarter of shade of ML. No, I like this band a lot, but I haven't seen them live yet. I want it to be like uh like a gauntlet that I have to make it through. And that like I might get heat stroke a little bit, but you're gonna like pass out. I probably will. I'm not good in the sun.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:57

This song is called nausea, so they're so anything that'll make you nauseous. Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:06

I only know perpetual.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:33

It's like three songs within one song. You know? That's good.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:40

That is good.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:41

It does have the quality of a song that you want to like listen to immediately again. Like a looper, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:47

It's a looper, and yeah, not in the way that you're supposed to go back and kill your. Not like doing 11.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:54

Movie, I like recently watched the movie. It was bad. And I was so bummed because when I first saw it, it was so good. And then I rewatched it, and I'm like, what tripped you up this time? I feel like I just didn't they couldn't find the um the like plot solved. Like I felt it kind of felt like there were so many holes in the I the idea of it. Um like I feel like this is pretty typical for like time. For like time. Yeah. There's a missing frame. Like movies where like so many things could happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:28

Uh there's that frame where he shoots himself and then he lives the rest of his life to become Bruce Willis. And that's the part that's always tricking up. It's a pretty hard cut to that scene where they're in the field where you kill everybody with a blunderbuss or whatever, and he shoots himself, and he's dead, and then you see him live the rest of his life for those 35 years and become Bruce Willis, which you don't understand. And then that's the person that goes back and avoids being shot.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:51

Yeah. So then there's like multiple, you know, you know, timelines.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:55

So I guess you believe that the guy who is shooting him originally is the second Joseph Gordon Levitt. Yeah. Yeah. Not the one that did it originally. Looper D. That sort of breaks the logic of the movie. Or makes it even cooler. I don't know. I've never laid it out on the table like this, but it might be fucking cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:12

You've never laid it out on the table like this? You feel like you've had it laid out on the table the entire time. You had that ready.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:18

I guess I've never I've never tried to sell myself on it before. I guess I don't like that. Now that I say it out loud, seeing Steven hate it makes me want to love it. You've laid it out on the table of your mind. Yeah, I think it works. I think it's fucking dope now. Thank you, Jax. Thank you for setting the free.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:42

Nice. We made positive change here tonight.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:45

That was that's an important uh yeah, coda to this episode. Before we go, uh you're all at the beginning of the life cycle of this band, but I want you to think to the very last moment of it. Use your imagination. If there was one song at the end of an illustrious multi-decade career together that you're gonna play live, it's a cover song. It's the last song you play live. What's the what's the curtain call for this entire band? What's the cover song that you're going out on to summarize everything that's happening happened in the intervening decade?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:15

I mean this question.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:17

You knew this question? Did you dream it? I hate it. Oh, you hate it. Beat it to death with some uh handlebars.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:25

Yeah, I wish.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:26

Oh man, that that uh Flowbot song, I Can Ride a Bike with No Handlebar? That's the one.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:32

Well, you don't have to answer it. It might be uh it's a thinker, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

I don't know what I think though yet. That Fort Minor song?

SPEAKER_08 1:32:42

I'm gonna vamp a little while you think about it, because I think there's remember the name? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:46

I think you could go 100% will.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:49

What is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:50

Fort Minor remember the name?

SPEAKER_12 1:32:52

The one where it's like 20% look, 20% scale, 50% concentrate power, will, 9% pleasure, 50% pain, 100% reason to remember the name.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:04

I mean, see, beyond the fact that you all know it's cold, I think that's a legitimate take on the question.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:09

You could go, you can ham it up and like do the theater bow, and then that's that. You break not a microphone, but you step on them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:18

In a way, though. But it goes on for 20 minutes. It just like it just hangs out there.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:24

I mean, there's a lot less percentages than like the smaller numbers, so they add a lot more words.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:29

What songs have we covered?

SPEAKER_12 1:33:31

I mean I'm that's where I'm my head is going. I'm like, man, does it have a few more? Is it a song that we've already played as a cover or just like any song?

SPEAKER_11 1:33:36

Any song.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:37

Oh, we could just do Perth. Just a pullback because to Perth Before the Border Closes by Julia Jacqueline. I think she's one of our influences for sure. Um that was the first cover we ever learned. I think we all learned a lot through that song. But also, yeah, it was the first cover we learned and played. And if we were like years from now, or whatever our last moment as a band is, we were like had to play a cover. I think we have to do that. I think I have to play.

SPEAKER_12 1:34:07

I have to disagree with this one, though. I think like, and this might be a way too cliche of an answer, but fade into you. Like, because that when you know that one. When you sing that song, and like everyone's so locked into it. And again, it's like such a cliche cover, but like it's such a wonderful song. It's a gorgeous song. I like Mazzy Star. Oh, the hope stand of all. That would be my vote for the end of the multi-decade.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:31

It's a song that defies cornyness too. It like can't cornify itself, so there is really a bad time to play it. Right. Uh it's kind of immune to that, you know? So that's a good choice. And the sly, like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:45

I think we should bring that back.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:47

Yeah, we should. We should bring back all these coverage. But is the last line of that song never knew? Like, it's kind of quiet and then it kind of closes on the Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, that's that's a pretty good little little button.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:57

I mean, I think it thematically makes sense too.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:01

My uncle saw them in Chicago at a small club in like 1996 or something. So jealous. And he was like, dude, those guys are divas. They stopped the whole show because people were talking, and she's like, they're right. There was a lot of people that were loudly talking and not paying attention, but she refused to perform until they shut up and then like oh, kick those people out, and then they kept the show going. Whoa. He's like, Yeah, she was demanding like absolute silence at like a kind of a rock show. So it was kind of weird. That's kind of um some other heavier bands.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:36

Well, you know. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, she just shut those fuckers up. That's sick.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:48

She just realized her power over the crowd.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:50

Yeah, I would I would be, you know, indiscriminate with that power. Put it that way. Get that bachelorette party out of here. There's a lot of looks I don't like at the venue. Now that's a pretty good answer. That's a pretty good answer.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:02

I like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:02

Yeah, me too. I like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:03

Happy with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:04

Okay. Uh Andy, what's your go-nut song? What's your like not? Oh, the last one for this podcast? No, no, like for your for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:11

It'd probably be like Yeah, your last your last send-off on this podcast. Do you know that song, Oops, by Tweet? Nope. It's a Oops, there goes my shirt over my head, over my I love it already.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:26

That's the right answer.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:27

Or it would be your funeral song. Yeah. It would be that it would probably be Peaches. Yeah. Your last, last song. It would probably be Shake Your Dicks by Peaches. You know, it could be anything. Um it could be um like a psych trance version of industry baby.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:49

Yeah. That's the thing about you, is you're you're a blank hand of crazy thing. You could go in a million different directions. That's awesome. Luckily, the band that we're interviewing answered the question correctly.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:01

So that was really I'm so glad you appeased the dark one who protects this podcast studio. And uh, if we would have answered it incorrectly, there would have been consequences. So that's really good. Nailed it. Um we've never revealed him before.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:15

Thank you for hanging out with us and you know, rolling with the bunches and playing some great tunes and talking it out. This was a blast.

SPEAKER_13 1:37:22

Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:23

Thanks for having us. Thanks for coming on. How do people keep track?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:31

I think follow us on Instagram number one. Two, all just made us a website for all of those who like websites. And three, I think that we're we have our music on Bandcamp and we're trying to get merch on Bandcamp. That's in the process. But yeah, come get our shows. If you like.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:50

Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing for us is shows. Yeah. Is the summer filling up for you guys?

SPEAKER_08 1:37:56

It is. Okay.

SPEAKER_12 1:37:56

I'll be updating with all of our upcoming shows for the next few months, and just try to keep the website really updated with stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:03

Put them in your RSS feed, guys. Bring it back. Yeah. Um that's awesome. Thanks again for hanging out. Thanks for having the last. It was so fun.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:14

This is our uh first ever podcast. Yeah, they're it's all uphill from here. I'm not sure about that. I feel like it's the opposite, maybe.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:24

Well, I will say one thing, Andy. We have the best listeners in the game, and I want to thank them for tuning in this week. We appreciate you joining us. We hope you had a good time. Hope you like the music. Tell a friend about it. One friend. That's all it takes. Just a little tap on the shoulder, hand them some SE in the hum, they're gonna thank you for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:40

I recommend just like when you're driving around your car listening to this like I do, like a psychopath, listening to my own podcast. Yeah. I open all the windows and I play it loud.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:49

So then when you're to stop letting me like make meaningful eye contact with the car next to you and just sort of point at your radio, you know, like, hey, and just point at yourself and back and forth.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:58

And people are like, turn it down, and I'm like, it's hot garbage. It's it's hot garbage, and they don't understand, but they get it.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:05

That that interaction sticks with them for the rest of their day. They're thinking about it as they're brushing their teeth at night. They're like, what was happening? And they hope they can forget.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:13

And why is it called hot garbage?

SPEAKER_08 1:39:17

Why why is it why is it called uh well, I'll to give a little mini capsule of the organ story. Andy was like the last person I knew who would make mixtape mix CDs for people. So every little occasion you get like a birthday mix CD. And he was like curating music back back from the last 20 years I've known him. And he had this like Facebook page where he would share songs that he liked called It was videos. We used to call him Mr. Tomorrow. I don't know where that name came from. Maybe it was like an option. It was a typo. Typo, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:42

I tried to type, hey, Who Wants to Go Shopping with Me Tomorrow? It came out with Who Wants to Go Shopping with Mr. Tomorrow, and I was like, oh man.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:49

So great thing back. So he had Mr. Tomorrow's Hot Garbage was his like music recommendation.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:57

And uh I did that shit for a couple years, and then I got they finally came out with data and uh zero watches of any kind. No one watched it. You didn't register a single metric? No, no matter what. Not even a blip? I mean, they might not even a bot?

SPEAKER_08 1:40:12

I was really surprised.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:14

I was like, damn, I am getting shadow banned.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:18

You mean you had zero impact.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:20

Zero watches. Not a double hundreds of likes and followers. Right. No watches. It was just at a time where Facebook started showing people my videos. People were so positive on Facebook.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:31

Hey, keep doing what you're doing. I hope you're having fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:33

Oh, it's awesome. And yeah, I just rode into the ground and then we switched it from hot garbage to hot garbage because we got fancy. We could move it from the internet to the podcast.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:45

To a different part of the internet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:49

Huge. Like in the more than zero, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:54

We know that thousands of people download the show, but you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:57

Yeah, actually that's where we're at. Yeah. Yeah. I do have a lot of podcaster friends, and I do download their shows, but I don't listen to them. But I do listen to my own, like a m like a weirdo.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:10

I like to to any podcast, honestly. I'm not a big podcast, I'm not a big podcast.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:18

I'll be uh probably in my probably in my car with windows down. Just listening to ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:25

Like a psychopath. That's good too. I like that too.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:28

Um well Andy, uh, when you're listening to yourself next week when this comes out or whatever, what's the last song you're gonna hear?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:34

We're gonna take it down to Santiago, Chile. Uh this is a band called Artiga. They are a doom metal band. Uh they're on a label out of Mexico City called uh what is this label called? It's called Smolder Brain Records. And uh man, this is this is a Rad album. It's called uh Season of the Witch 2, Take a Trip with Us. And uh this song is called La Bruja. And you can check these guys out, and you can get this album. It's hilarious to me because if you want to buy it, it's $420 for the digital copy. But they do have cassettes coming soon that are like gonna be like ten or fifteen bucks.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:13

Yeah, get the physical copy. Um alright, well, for Stephen Paul, Jack, and SEO SC and the hunt. This is Drew. Well, for Andy and Nate, too. Sorry, I forgot for Andy and Nate. I did so well to remember everybody else. My dearest friends. Um Thanks for listening, y'all. We'll see you next week on hot garbage.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:34

Thanks, everyone.