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Agency Life Plan: Scale Without Burnout or Losing Control

• Dr. William Attaway • Season 4 • Episode 7

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Scaling an agency beyond seven figures can come at a cost: sleepless nights, constant bottlenecks, and the creeping sense that the business is running you instead of the other way around. If you’ve ever wondered how to build sustainable systems that protect both your growth and your life outside the agency, this episode is for you.

I sit down with Donzel Leggett, Principal at Destiny Development Delta LLC and former Fortune 200 senior executive, who has led global teams of 10,000 people while creating a proven model for clarity and execution. Donzel shares why less than 10% of leaders can answer the question, “Where do you want to be in 20 years?”—and how his agency life plan framework helps you close that gap.

We dig into how to operationalize discipline, build a long-term roadmap that integrates business, family, and well-being, and stay resilient in a world being reshaped daily by AI and automation. If you want to scale without burning out or losing control, this conversation will help you reframe how you lead your agency—and your life.


Books Mentioned

  • Make Your Destiny Happen by Donzel Leggett


Connect with Donzel at destinydevdelta.com or at makeyourdestinyhappen.com to learn more about his new book, Make Your Destiny Happen. You can also find him on LinkedIn, YouTube, and his short-form Make Your Destiny Happen Petite Podcast, where he shares lessons drawn from his own leadership journey and stories of his late father.



Join Dr. William Attaway on the Catalytic Leadership podcast as he shares transformative insights to help high-performance entrepreneurs and agency owners achieve Clear-Minded Focus, Calm Control, and Confidence.

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Dr. William Attaway:

It is an honor today to have Donzel Leggett on the podcast. Donzel is the principal at Destiny Development Delta LLC, a US-based international consultancy focused on executive leadership development. He's an accomplished senior executive with over 32 years of experience leading and driving business growth at Fortune 200 consumer product companies. During his career, donzel successfully led large, diverse organizations of up to 10,000 team members dispersed across the globe through highly complex and dynamic environments. Donzel's career reflects a proven track record of unparalleled results, while leading transformational change on a global scale with his unique combination of strategic vision, executional excellence and inspirational leadership.

Dr. William Attaway:

As the magnitude and demands of his leadership accountabilities continue to expand, donzel developed the proprietary leadership models and methodology that are now at the center of the Destiny Development Delta LLC consultancy. To inspire and empower individuals to determine their goals, take charge of their lives and shape their destinies, donzel is launching Make your Destiny Happen Happen, a transformative guide that distills over 30 years of Donzel's personal experience and professional success into a practical, actionable framework for envisioning one's destiny, creating a life plan, taking control and achieving lasting transformation. Donzel, I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for being on the show.

Donzel Leggett:

Thank you, william, and thank you for the introduction. You brought tears to my eyes, literally.

Intro:

Welcome to Catalytic Leadership, the podcast designed to help leaders intentionally grow and thrive. Here is your host author and leadership and executive coach, dr William Attaway. Host author and leadership and executive coach, dr William.

Dr. William Attaway:

Attaway as we were putting it together. I was excited. I was like man I can't wait for this conversation.

Donzel Leggett:

This is going to add so much value. I hope so. You know one of my passions is trying to help people. As you mentioned, I wrote the book Make your Destiny Happen and you know the main driver writing that book was to give everyone the opportunity to make their life dreams happen and to ensure that they also achieve personal well-being and balance in their lives.

Dr. William Attaway:

So, yeah, I'm really happy to be here to share is often discussed but rarely experienced, and so I'm looking forward to this, to this conversation. I want to start with you sharing a little bit of your story with our listeners. I hit a few of the high points, but how did you get started?

Donzel Leggett:

Yeah, you know, I'm originally from Key West, florida. Not everyone thinks that there's actually people who are from Key West, but uh, but I'm actually from Key West, born and raised from Key West. But I'm actually from Key West born and raised. I go back several generations. My great, great great grandparents came over from the Bahamas in the 1860s, so our family been there a long time and so a lot of growing up there was kind of on an island, but similar to any other small town across the globe where grandparents are around, great-grandparents, cousins, aunties. So I grew up with a lot of family, a lot of people watching out for me, got a lot of guidance. But the difference in Key West from a lot of other small towns is because it was a tourist attraction. We had people from all over the world coming through and it was a big naval base, a large military presence. We have people from all over the country there. So I got exposed to a lot of different people, a lot of different languages, cultures, everything, and that really shaped me quite a bit.

Donzel Leggett:

I left there when I was 17, went to the Midwest to Purdue University and was there studying but also playing college football. I was there for four years I played football. I was there for four years I played, then I stayed on for a couple more years, got my master's degree and met my wife. We've been married for 31 years. It'll be 31 in September. We have four adult kids young adults, so they range from 32 down to 24. And you know it's been a great ride. As you mentioned, I had a long career in corporate America and the biggest thing that I learned throughout my career that really impacted a lot of the stories in the book are represented from my career.

Donzel Leggett:

No matter where you meet people and where you engage them around the country, around the world and I work with people ranging from Southern Ohio to the East Coast, the West Coast, missouri, or around the world, whether it's in Mexico or Canada, china, malaysia, greece, australia people all want the same thing, you know. They want to be viewed as individuals, not as numbers. They want to feel like someone cares about them. They want to take care of their families and they want the opportunity to have agency over their lives. And if you can connect with people and you spend the time to do that, even if you don't speak the same language, they can feel it, they can understand it and it crosses across all these boundaries that we believe are up.

Donzel Leggett:

That keeps us apart. If you really care about people, you want to help them achieve those things. Not just for them, but the magical thing is for the organization, the overall goal you're trying to strive for. So that's how I was able to get such great results at the same time help transform people's lives, and so I want to take that, put that in this book. But that's kind of what I'm all about.

Dr. William Attaway:

I often say that one of the best ways to impact your bottom line is to view the people that you lead on your team as actual 3D human beings, not as cogs in a machine, and it resonates so deeply with what you're saying because I believe that is a way to make a dramatic difference. You talk in your book about creating a life plan. That's an interesting phrase. I'm curious how do you define that? And for the listeners who are wondering, how do they get started creating that?

Donzel Leggett:

Yeah, you know, life plan to me is the strategic plan of your life. It's the guide path of where you want to go and most people, like you mentioned, I've led organizations over 10,000 people. I've had one-on-ones or small group discussions with over 10,000 people. Literally I've spent over 50,000 hours in those discussions, just one-on-one. If I take it into small groups, to consider even outside of work, you know 10,000 hours to master a skill. I've done that 10 times, I mean. So I know I know people, right, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not saying I'm anything like that, but I do know people from all over the world and the one thing I could tell you for sure is when I would ask them the question where do you want to be in 20 years? Less than 10% could answer that question. Oh, my goodness, less than 10%. Most people don't sit down and really think about where they want to go long-term and whether that will make them happy or not.

Donzel Leggett:

You have to bring things together your professional, your family, your financial, your community and your wellbeing-being all together to say this is where I want to go, right. And so when I was about 24 years old and I was just starting my professional career 24, 25, you know, some things happened in my life and I said you know, I have to think about what I want to do and where I want to go. My wife and I were not married at the time. I wanted to make sure she understood and I want to know where she wanted to go. So I had this idea of drafting this life plan and I imagined okay, let me look 40 years down the line to when I'm 65. What would I have? What do I want to be doing at that time? What would I want to accomplish? How do I want to feel as I look back in those 40 years? Am I proud? Am I sad? Am I regretful? Those are the questions I ask myself. Those are hard questions. People don't like answering those questions. Right, but I did that. And then I started breaking it down and okay, professional, financial, family, what I want to do in the community, and how does all that make me feel, and I started making tweaks because I wanted to make sure I could look back and say, yeah, I feel good about that. That's what started the idea of my life plan. And once I had that vision, I started working back in five-year increments Okay, what would I have been doing at 60? What about 55? So that's kind of how the life plan came about. So I've had this life plan, you know, for geez. Now it's been 30 years at least, and I've actually on track. Now I've made some adjustments here and there because the world changes. And that's the great thing about the Destiny Development Delta model it's all based on the fact that the world is dynamic, and so are you, and we all need to make adjustments. But it's always better to have a game plan and make adjustments than to have no plan at all. And then you're kind of just like scrambling right, and so that's kind of where it came from.

Donzel Leggett:

And you know I talk about the book. Where do you get started? And I just kind of mentioned it. It all starts with you have to be authentic with yourself and a lot of times I think we get into a mode, especially today, with social media having such a big impact and being so available to us, it tends to make us think what we should be doing, what we should look like. You know what we should think like, instead of put that down and say, no, who am I really? What do I really want? It's okay to have weaknesses, it's okay to not be perfect. It's okay because I have to embrace that, because I need to factor that in to what I want to do long-term. And once you have that authentic thought about yourself, then you can start feeling confident in yourself and be assured in yourself. Then you can start that process of thinking again. Okay.

Donzel Leggett:

And if 40 years down the line is too long for you to think, think 10 years, think 20 years, but really sit down and think okay, what, where do I want to be? How do I want to feel? At least start there. That's good. And so in the book I have a model that takes people through this process of how to get there. But that's the number one thing I always try to tell any young person, anyone that's closer to my age, it's never too late. No, we don't know. I don't know if I'm going to live another minute. I mean, I literally could have cardiac arrest right now. That could happen, but I can tell. If it did, I'm not regretful because I know I'm on track to where I want to be and I want everyone to feel that Right. So anyway, that's a long answer to your question, but you can see I got a lot of passion about this.

Dr. William Attaway:

Well, no doubt, and rightly so, and I love that phrase no regrets. You know, if this is it no regrets? Because you had a plan and you've been executing that plan. It's impossible to hit a bullseye that you can't see, that you don't define, and what you have done is increased clarity, which I think is one of the kindest things you can do for yourself, and now you help other people to do that very thing. Absolutely For the listeners who are like well, I have somewhat of a plan, I have an idea or a sense, but I feel like I'm not making traction. Why do you think that is? Why do you think people fail at their version of what you're describing?

Donzel Leggett:

Yeah, again, it starts with that have they really spent the time to define a real plan? You have to have a real plan that you're very confident. A lot of times people have a plan they think is a good plan, but it's usually based on someone else. Oh, my dad did this, so I'll do that. Oh man, I read about Elon Musk. He's doing this. I should do that. He does these.

Donzel Leggett:

Let me do that kind of a thing versus wait a minute. What about me? What am I really wanting to do and what's my strengths? What do I need to get better? Let me put that on paper.

Donzel Leggett:

So that's the number one thing is just doing that work, as I mentioned earlier. But the second thing is the discipline to actually consistently make it happen. No-transcript why? Because they're the leader of their life and what I want people to recognize. You have to be the leader of your life. So the first piece is transforming people to take charge of their lives, as leaders know themselves, understand what they want, build a strategic plan. But then the next piece is operationalize that leadership, build the discipline to actually make it happen, which is hard, tedious work Every day you got to live up to.

Donzel Leggett:

Okay, I have to do this, this. So we have a plan. I have a process that basically identifies here's how you keep yourself motivated and inspired. Here's how you make sure you're clear on what you want to do. Here's how you make sure that you have a plan. That's everyday actions I will take. And then here's what I'm going to do to keep making myself better Because, as I mentioned, the world changes. It gets tougher, it gets harder, storms come. You got to be better and prepared to stand strong. That's where people tend to fall down. It's the execution, because that's the tedious part and we tend to fall off. It's kind of like, you know, when all of us have our new year's resolutions and we're all happy and I follow about it on January 1st and then by February 15th, we're already worried about, I guess, tax season's coming and I got to forget about that stuff. You got to stay focused.

Dr. William Attaway:

That's really good. So, good man, you know you write in the book about the importance of creating a connection with the people that you work with, people that you meet, but not just any connection, a personal connection.

Donzel Leggett:

Yes.

Dr. William Attaway:

This grabbed my attention and I'm curious. You must have a lot of connections. Yes, this grabbed my attention and I'm curious. You must have a lot of connections that you have built through the years, a whole lot of relationships. How do you ensure personally that each one feels meaningful?

Donzel Leggett:

You know I'm kind of saying a lot of the same things, but again, it all starts with authenticity. You know one thing if people, if someone, asked me to describe myself, I'll tell you what people would say about me If I'm not around. If you ask them what about Downsville, they're going to tell you I'm authentic. You know, they know that what I'm saying to them, they can believe it. They can trust me. I never I'm not trying to put on a front, I'm not trying to be someone. I'm not. I'm authentic. I wear my emotions on my sleeve. So you know, you can tell how I'm feeling. I don't hide that. I want you to feel that right and I'm willing to share love. I'm willing to share love.

Donzel Leggett:

I believe that everyone has something good in them. I really do, and there's several stories in the book where I'm interacting with someone who you would think we'd be enemies. But we become very close and they're big supporters. And the reason is again, when they meet me, no matter what their first impression is, pretty quickly they say, ok, this guy's authentic, he's not trying to pretend like he's somebody, he's not. They see that they can feel my emotions. That's why I have so many stories where I'm interacting with people and I still have people today that don't speak English and I don't speak their language, but we're close.

Donzel Leggett:

You know that we're close, and the reason is because they can feel it and that's what they tell people. We can feel that he cares about us and so, whether I'm on a Zoom call with them or a phone call with them, or if I'm in their presence but only available for, you know, a couple of minutes, I go out of my way to make sure they can feel and see that I see them as individual, I see them as a person, I recognize their value and I love them and, and that's that's his best work for me, and and, uh, you know now, will it work for everyone? I believe it will. If you're authentic, if you really care about people, um, and if you really want them to be successful, they'll feel it. You know, there's a story I used to.

Donzel Leggett:

One time I was in Brazil and I was there and I met this guy once. He was in a manufacturing plant, didn't speak any English. I spoke a little Portuguese. We were able to communicate a little bit, but I didn't speak great Portuguese at the time, be great Portuguese at the time. But I remember telling him, through a translator, how important it was for him to be safe in everything he did in that plant, because he had told me that he had you just had a little baby, and I said that baby is counting on you, not just today, tomorrow, but when, when that baby grows to be ayear-old woman, you have to be here. So he could feel that.

Donzel Leggett:

So six months later I went back. This guy wasn't even working that day. He heard I was coming, came in on his own time to give me a magnet picture of his baby oh my goodness and tell me how much what I said to him impacted him, because I said it out of love and care as a dad, not as a vice president and just a guy working on the floor, but as a father, and he wanted me to know how that touched him. That's how you build these connections. That's why it's important.

Dr. William Attaway:

That's so good. You know, we talk on the show a lot about the importance of the people that you lead, feeling heard, feeling seen, feeling known, and, as a leader, it's our responsibility to create an environment where those things are true.

Donzel Leggett:

Yes.

Dr. William Attaway:

But what you just described is a whole different level. It's creating an environment so that they feel loved. Yes, these are core pieces of what it means to be human. Yes, and you create that environment for the people that you meet through the words that you speak, the attention that you give them. I love this man. I think this is something that every leader listening can take and go execute today, right now. This does not cost you a nickel, but it does take intentionality. It's not just going to happen.

Intro:

That's right.

Dr. William Attaway:

In the book you talk about the importance of mentors and mentees. You have mentored so many different people and I know you continue to do that to this day. Yes, what are some of the mistakes that you see coming from the people that you mentor?

Donzel Leggett:

Biggest mistake that I see is again defining their success in life by what they see others do, not by what they truly want. Truly want and this is again the key that I just want to continue to impress on people is it's so easy in this day and age to be wrapped up in expectations of society, and it's very easy for people to do that. I mean it's you know. You look at a lot of stats, they've done many studies, you know who's willing to really step up, and you know and lead something versus follow. It's one of the reasons not a lot of people want to do that. It's one of the reasons why, when they do a top 10 list of the scariest things for someone you know somewhere in top 10 is going to be public speaking because you got to stand up in front of everyone else. And what I try to help people understand is look, I'm not telling you got to get up and go speak in front of thousands of people, but what you do have to do is take charge of your own life and don't be afraid, you know, because ultimately it's going to be on you anyway. So if you, if you're trying to make decisions based on what you think others expect. All right, you know you're never going to be happy. And, yeah, you can look around and see that there are.

Donzel Leggett:

There are people who are billionaires, who treat people terribly. I just saw there there's a guy who's a software company, just bought this software company and he basically is telling all of his employees that if you're not prepared to work a minimum 80 hour week work week minimum, he's going to buy you out. He wants them to understand their life is not their family, their life is work and getting this software company up and running. Right, he can do that and I'm sure there's business people say, oh, I applaud this guy. You know good for him that at least he's telling people up front. I'll give him that he's at least telling people up front.

Donzel Leggett:

But what we always lose sight of is we don't know how happy this guy is. You know people talk about Steve Jobs. He was a great guy, but he wasn't a great guy to work with and work for. So do I think he was a happy guy. I don't know. All I know is what I want and what makes me happy. And what makes me happy is, yes, striving to achieve goals I have, but being there for my kids when they had sporting events. Yes, you know being there. So my kids never they had sporting events. You know being there, so my kids never could say I wasn't home. You know making sure that my dad, I was going to take my dad to an NBA finals game.

Donzel Leggett:

You know, last year he passed away. This past January, february. You know he was 88, but I got to do those things. So am I sad he's gone? Yes, but do I feel great that I was able to do those things with him? Absolutely. So the biggest thing I want my mentees to understand is it has to start with what are you trying to accomplish? And if you ask them, what's the number one question? I always ask them every time I'm meeting with them what are you trying to accomplish? How does this fit into what you want and what you want for your family?

Intro:

Is this making?

Donzel Leggett:

you happy and you want and what you want for your family, is this making you happy? And if it's not, then you should move and do something different. You should figure that out, even if that meant someone on my team leaving the company. If they're not happy and it's not what they want I'd rather them go somewhere where they're happy. I'd rather them pursue something that makes them feel better, because I know that eventually they're going to talk to someone else and they're going to say you know what?

Donzel Leggett:

Donzel listened to me, donzel cared about me. He wasn't just saying that to meet his own goals. He was saying that because he really did care. And if that's, they bring someone to me, want to come work with me at some point in time, because they know that my objective yeah, we're trying to hit our goals while you're here, but I'm caring about you and I want you to live the life that you want for yourself. So that's the biggest piece of advice I'd give to mentees Figure out what you want, build a plan to get there. That's what the book's all about I got my proof here, man.

Dr. William Attaway:

So good. Well, and I think you've circled around so many times around this idea I think it's so good that you have agency. Every person listening has agency. You get to choose right. And it really is a very separate place from what we see so often in our culture, which is this idea of a victim mindset, that I'm just the victim of my circumstances, victim of everything in my life, of other people. I'm just the victim of my circumstances, victim of everything in my life, of other people. You are presenting a very different idea, that you get to choose, and I love that, I resonate with that and I affirm that and I hope our listeners are grabbing onto this and understanding this is truth, this is your reality. You get to choose.

Donzel Leggett:

You get to choose. We all have agency. And hey, don't get me wrong, there are some people who are in a very difficult circumstances much more difficult circumstances than we are and their agency is limited.

Donzel Leggett:

But what am I trying to do? I'm saying, hey, if I can be successful and if I can make it, what can I do to set up a framework to help those folks? How can I inspire someone else out there who might be able to help someone who can't help themselves? So it's on us Use your agency to achieve what you want and to make yourself and put yourself in a position where you can help someone else. Absolutely. That's what we're trying to do.

Donzel Leggett:

And again, what does that do? It makes me happy, it makes me fulfilled. When I know that I've helped someone, I feel so much better about life. Man, Again, if I have a problem and I'm gone tomorrow, I know that I was on track and I helped people Like that father that came to me that day in that plane and brought that magnet and told me Donzo, I'm giving you this magnet because I want you to always remember the impact you had on at least one guy one guy and one little girl, at least us and I can multiply that, but I know, I'm confident that one person, that feeling, that's like winning the Super Bowl. Man, yeah, that's exactly right. So that's what I want listeners to hear. Go ahead.

Dr. William Attaway:

Yeah, it's the difference in trying to be a reservoir of everything that comes into your life, of all the experiences and wisdom that you gain, or choosing to be a conduit and allowing that to flow not just to you but through you for the benefit of those around you.

Donzel Leggett:

Absolutely.

Dr. William Attaway:

And I think both of us have devoted our lives to being that conduit, and in your book, you are all about pouring this out for the benefit of the readers, absolutely. And today, for those who are listening, I want to dive into you for just a second. You know we've talked a lot about your story and your journey and what you're doing, but you have to lead at a different level today than you did five, ten years ago, and that same thing is going to be true five, ten years from now. You're going to have to continue to level up your team, your clients, your family. They're going to need you to lead at a higher level in the years to come. How do you stay on top of your game? How do you level up with the new leadership skills that your team and your clients and everybody around you is going to need you to have in the days to come?

Donzel Leggett:

Yeah, man, it's always challenging myself to get better and you know, I do think I mentioned technology a couple of times and so I don't want people to think I'd say ignore technology. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying don't use all your time there. I mean in the book I mentioned. I think on average, most people spend like two and a half hours on social media a day and about 16 minutes or so on just like reading or learning. You know what I mean. On their own time.

Dr. William Attaway:

Oh my goodness yeah.

Donzel Leggett:

So I'm just saying, maybe reverse that, if you can a little bit right.

Intro:

So that's what.

Donzel Leggett:

I try to do, but, but right now I will say that, look, I understand where the world is going and you know, generative AI is the developments that are happening are. You know it's multiplicative on a daily basis and so I have to get better at that. I have to understand that. I have to understand how our financial markets are being impacted by that, by Bitcoin. I have to understand how, you know, we're going back and forth in terms of global strategies versus nationalist strategies. All these things are important to understand because they will impact people. You know, general of AI is going to it's already impacting millions of people, and so every day, I try to spend at least 30 minutes to an hour just learning about AI, cryptocurrency, the impact of these things on marketing, on leadership, on financial markets, because for me to be able to provide context, it has to be context in this world that's changing dramatically. So I'd say that's the number one thing that I'm doing right now, because that's the biggest change.

Donzel Leggett:

You know, over the course of my career I would say I haven't seen a change this significant, and I've seen AI has been around for a long time. It's just that it's taken, you know, decades. You know I remember putting in automated systems, you know, back in the early 90s, that use a very rudimentary form of AI to control the process. It's just taken 40 years for them to get to a point now where you know they can do things like it's doing today, and I wouldn't say think, but it's certainly the ability to compute and leverage all the information on the internet to quickly come up with answers, come up with processes. It's pretty, it's impressive, and's it's impressive, and, and so I think, as leaders, we all have to have that context, especially for the younger people coming up, because they've grown up with this and it's, it's.

Donzel Leggett:

It can be a positive, but it can be a negative. I mean, one quick stat I'll give you is you know they talked to all the top universities, did a study, asked their, their faculty administrators how much do they? Talked to all the top universities, did a study, asked their faculty administrators how much do they think students are cheating with AI? Then they asked the students, I think the faculty came back, said 50%. The students said 90%, cool, yeah, whoa. So think about how many of these students really coming out really know what they're doing you know and just little pieces of context that we we just have to understand and know and be able to leverage.

Donzel Leggett:

I mean the definition of knowledge. They asked one really smart kid at an Ivy league school what's the definition of knowledge for us? It would have been that we know the information. Right, his answer was no, I know where to find the information. Yeah, I know how to get it. I know how to you know type in it. So it's a big difference. So, to lead in this type of environment, we all have to continue to evolve. Right now, my evolution is I got to get better at the technology developments.

Dr. William Attaway:

That's so good and I think that's a challenge for all of us. You know there was a day in time where I feel like I was on the cutting edge. Technologically, that is an ever-moving target.

Dr. William Attaway:

And as the miles, on my odometer continue to climb. I find that a little more challenging than I used to. Absolutely, I think that's a good challenge for us all. Donzel, I'm so thrilled and honored that you would share your time with us today and so many of the insights from your book. I know folks are going to want to stay connected to you, continue to learn from you and grab a copy of this book. What is the best way for them to do that?

Donzel Leggett:

Yeah, so we have a website. It's the name of the company is Destiny Development Delta LLC. Our website is destinydevdeltacom. But the book Make your Destiny Happen. But the book Make your Destiny Happen will be available starting Tuesday next week, so August 25th. You can certainly buy the book. I'd love for you to buy it and hear from you Put a review up as well. That would certainly help me. But if you just type in makeyourdestinyhappencom, that'll take you directly to our website.

Donzel Leggett:

You know we're on social media. I'm on LinkedIn. You know, reach out to me on LinkedIn. There's not a lot of Don's Leggits out there, so my son and me, that's pretty much it. So you'll find me if you search for me there, if you search for Make your Destiny Happen. You know we're also on Facebook and Instagram as well. I have a YouTube channel. I have a podcast that is a very short. I call it the petite podcast, the Make your Destiny Happen petite podcast. It's only five or six minutes per episode and I take a lesson from the book and then I bring it to life with a story and in this first season I'm using I mentioned my dad passed away earlier this year. I'm using stories from my dad to illustrate these lessons, and I think the fourth episode just came out yesterday. So anyway, there's a lot of different ways to reach out, but just remember make your destiny happen. You put that in, or you just put in my name, donzel Leggett. There's not a lot of us out there, you'll find me.

Dr. William Attaway:

I love it. We'll have all those links in the show notes, Donzel. Thank you so much for your time today.

Donzel Leggett:

Thank you, william. I tell you you are a great interviewer. The context that you brought to this discussion just made me even more passionate about the topic, so this is probably the most enjoyable podcast that I've been on, and I really appreciate what you are doing for the audience. Thank you, well, I'm honored by that. Thank you, man.

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