One Hell Of A Life Outdoor Podcast
The One Hell Of A Life Outdoor Podcast hosted by father-son duo Tony Vogel and Tristan Vogel, Owners of Zero Duck:30 and Zero Buck:30 . Our passion lies in bringing every hunter the REALITY of what it REALLY takes to hunt their target animal while equipping them with the knowledge to be a successful hunter and promoting the lost "old school values" that laid the foundation for the sport we love so much today.
One Hell Of A Life Outdoor Podcast
From Texas to Michigan: Logan Archibald's Journey
Logan Archibald joins us to share his journey from Michigan to Texas and back again, discussing wildlife management, deer guiding, and how hunting communities can better support conservation through understanding and cooperation.
• Born and raised in Michigan, Logan studied wildlife management before spending seven years guiding in South Texas
• High fence ranches in Texas often span thousands of acres where deer rarely encounter boundaries
• Aging deer properly requires looking at where the neck meets the body, back sway, and leg proportionality
• Texas Parks & Wildlife works directly with landowners through Managed Land Deer Permits to create customized harvest plans
• Buck-to-doe ratios explain why Texas deer respond better to rattling than northern deer
• Supplemental feeding impacts deer health but corn provides minimal nutritional value
• Michigan's new rule prohibiting youth hunters from shooting bucks creates barriers to recruitment
• Turkey hunting community shows less divisiveness than deer hunting culture
• Following your passion as a hunter sometimes means stepping behind the camera to help others
• Improving hunting success requires thorough scouting and proficiency with equipment
If you're looking to connect with Logan, follow him on Instagram @WoodyArchibald, TikTok @BeardedSportsman, or check out his filming work with 810 Outdoors on YouTube.
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what's up, guys? We're back in another episode of the one hub life outdoor podcast and we got a new segment that we launched last week that we're going to be starting here right at the beginning, and then we have another new segment that we're going right into at the end of the podcast. That you'll have to hang around for that one was a hit. Um, the few times we've ran it so far. It's called listener question of the week. Yep, and basically we pick a, pick a listener at random um, not really at random. We look through the questions we get and, uh, of the questions that we get, the one that's our favorite, we answer it and, uh, you get sent a gift. At this point it's a koozie. It might be like a hat or something in the future, but uh, yeah, stay tuned we might even send you a flower.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly in the segment we got to start things with is called what the duck is going on, which is my dad said last week. If you heard, we might call it what the buck is going on. You know, if we want to talk about some deer hunting stuff, that's right, and if we're pissed we might call it what the beep yeah, is going on, so last week you heard about my lawn care woes and whatever else, but uh man, we just got done with fourth of july. I can't believe it's already july.
Speaker 3:You know america for spacious skies, let's go america. Especially being a veteran, I mean, you know one thing that's beautiful about all of us americans we're so patriotic, right? I mean, we support our troops, we support, uh, the liberty that we have, you know, and we fight for it. And, uh, you know, I mean, we've been an amazing country and here we just had our birth. And to think back that that happened in 1776, bro, that's a long time ago yeah they didn't know what ai was.
Speaker 3:They didn't know what toilet paper was. Probably they didn't know anything. But, man, we just hope that you know everybody had a safe Fourth of July.
Speaker 2:Nobody lost any fingers, hopefully.
Speaker 3:That's right. We know a bunch of crazy folks out there and we know that you guys tested the limits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of them sitting right across from me. That's right. That know that you guys tested the limits. Yeah, one of them sitting right across from me.
Speaker 3:That's right, that's right, that's right. I just don't test it quite, quite as much as I used to, because we'll leave it that old age.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:That's right wisdom but man, no, super happy about that and uh, I mean really put your hand on your heart every once in a while and just say thank you, because you know we somebody brought this up to me at a show. I was at a convention in Boston and we were just talking general life stuff and he was like man, he goes. Imagine if you were born like in a village in the middle of the Congo. I mean that could totally happen, right, I mean that's where it all starts with being lucky, and I mean we're all born into luck. You did nothing except the people before you did a lot to make sure that you could be here as an American today and listening to the One Hell of a Life podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw something today that made me be like wow, that's a real eye-opener for how fortunate you should feel. It was a video where the guy asked him. He said hey, uh, you know, if I were to give you $10 million, would you take it? And the guy goes well, yeah, and uh. He replies and goes well, there's one stipulation you don't get to wake up tomorrow. And he goes oh well, what you're saying is your life is worth more than 10 million dollars and every day you wake up you should be be like oh, I feel like a million dollars because, I mean, it's just one way to phrase it.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean there's no, no amount of money that's worth, you know, being able to wake up so you know what I will say on on that note, you know all of us are programmed different.
Speaker 3:You know all of us and and you know me, just like all of us, we all have something that we need to work on or something that you know we're not as good as somebody else, or whether it's physically, mentally, all these things Right. And one thing that definitely God built in me that I'm so super thankful for is like, bro, my mom would be like you can't leave before the sun goes up. She goes how am I going to know, and why would you want to go walk in the woods before the sun goes up? She goes how am I going to know, and why would you want to go walk in the woods before the sun comes up? And I was like seven, I mean, I didn't get, I just wanted to experience every minute of daylight, you know.
Speaker 2:So anyway, yeah, good point, tristan, that's that's some good stuff.
Speaker 2:So what the ducks going on. Obviously it's a little bit about what we were just talking about could be whatever um. One thing I did want to mention is, uh, the way we're going to structure the podcast and we kind of talk about this off air going forward was obviously the two segments one in the beginning, one and in the middle. That's when we're going to do our quote like interview slash conversation with the guest. Uh, so we'll roll into that. Today we got logan on um, but I'll talk about that in a second and kind of what his background is.
Speaker 2:Back to what the duck is going on. Really the biggest news I saw, which I had heard about this but I just hadn't really came to my attention, I guess as prevalent until this week, is the whole thing with the teal season in so many states being nine days this year, including Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, like any state that we're probably going to teal hunt this year potentially changing that, and that's, of course, because the blue-winged teal numbers are not quite as prevalent as they've been in past years, which I got no problem with. Again, kind of with what we talked about last week with Devin's question, I'm okay with data-backed decisions anytime that happens.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no doubt about it and let's face it, you know, I mean if you're lucky, I mean unless you have your own land and you're building that kind of habitat for them.
Speaker 3:If you're hunting public land for blue-winged teal, I don't care where you're at, it's tough. And our whole saying about blue-winged teal is they're here today, gone tomorrow, right, and even when you have the habitat, that happens. But I think the good thing about that is that if you didn't know and I heard Dr I think it was Dr Mike Brazier say this from Ducks Unlimited one year he said that blue-winged teal have like a mortality rate and I'm going to guess I'm going to go low, but I know I want to say he said 65 to 67% in there, but let's just call it 60%, all right, Just be safe. So if you don't know what a mortality rate means, that means that basically 60% of the population leaves this earth and it gets replaced. So they've got a super high mortality rate, but they've got a super high production rate as well, which is great. And, like you said, those numbers have been ticking down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. But yeah, that's kind of what we had for what the Duck this week. Those numbers have been ticking down. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. But yeah, that's kind of what we had for what the Duck this week. We're sitting here trying to.
Speaker 3:Wait what? No, that's not what we had left for this week. My boy oh okay, the dad's got to brag. Okay, oh yeah, Listen Through. Many promises to many people, friends and family.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've been on your ass about this. I'm back in the gym, baby, I am back. I am back and I'm happy to say that. Yeah, I can say that there was a time, not long ago, that I was ripped out, bro, in best shape of my life, and you know what? The back thing happened and I just got afraid to work out and I used it as an excuse. Long story short, but man, it felt great. Thanks for going with me tonight. And I just signed up at Gold's Gym. It's real close here and we were real impressed with how clean it was, how new and the equipment is there. Yeah, it's a nice gym, Pretty cool. So, no, I'm happy to get back in there and it feels good to be back on the podcast, drinking a Bush Light, feeling swole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, after you earned it.
Speaker 3:Yes, I did earn it Old chest and tricep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, upper body.
Speaker 3:I worked chest triceps fronts I forgot what they're called, not the sides Like your delts. Yeah, I worked them. I worked my traps a little bit, and so I just kept it simple and just trying to get my body going again, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, it felt great, though. Keep it up. We're going to be checking in. I'll be asking them every week so we can provide you guys weekly updates. Keep them accountable, that's right that's right.
Speaker 3:No, now time's ticking and, uh, you know, if, if, if, I love everything I say so much, and you know which really stemmed our whole where, where one hell of a life comes from, man, if it's not one hell of a life if you're dead, yeah, it's one hell of a death, you know. So that's the mentality I'm taking. Um, I gotta stretch these years no doubt so.
Speaker 2:Uh, we're about to roll right into it with our podcast guests. This week we got logan archibald. Uh, you guys are going to hear that here in a few minutes. But this guy, uh, we've talked on social media for years. Well, maybe not years, maybe a couple years.
Speaker 3:He's a unique individual.
Speaker 2:You see him all on social media, on TikTok, on Lives, a lot of times and just from talking to him, I know he was a deer hunting guide for a number of years, so I'm excited to see that. I know he helps film with 810 Outdoors' YouTube and, yeah, just a guy that we've been wanting to get on the podcast for a while. So we're gonna go right into that and uh see y'all in a minute what's going on, guys, all right, we're back and we got logan archibald on the podcast, also known as, uh, I think, woody archibald on social media. But uh, heck, yeah, we're uh excited to talk with logan. We've been talking about connecting on a podcast for a hot minute and this, uh fella does a lot of stuff in the outdoors. I know he helps film with um 810 outdoors youtube. I see that a lot. I know that he was a texas deer guide for a number of years and just a outdoorsman through and through, and we're excited to have you on the podcast, man yeah, man, I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 4:Uh, like you said, you covered a lot of it. Logan archvald uh, woody archvald on instagram, bearded sportsman on tiktok.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why that's, that's how I know you, bro. Okay, so all right, there it is, boom, click, go get it, he was trying to tell me or tristan was trying to tell me I'm an older guy, so I don't tick tock as much. And I got, I'm being honest, yeah, I can only do like two platforms, and it's facebook for older people and instagram for semi-older people. Yeah and uh, and so I tick tock about twice a week, but no, that's where I know you from. All right, cool yep, yep.
Speaker 4:So yeah, tick tock is uh, tick tock is huge, uh, even though they don't necessarily agree with what we do and how we do things.
Speaker 3:But they've changed some.
Speaker 4:A little bit. It takes a little bit getting used to for what we do. As far as what you can and can't post on there, Sure. We learned the hard way on that it's a great networking tool, just like any other social media.
Speaker 3:Anyway, you were saying about man, tell us where you come from, what you do. Tristan gave you a brief introduction, but that doesn't tell the story.
Speaker 4:I was born and raised in Michigan Hunting and fishing since I could I walk, I think probably before then even but um so grew up in the woods and waters of michigan, went to college in the up of michigan and then spent seven years in south texas guiding, uh, mostly white-tailed deer, but we did all kinds of exotics and dove hunts and duck hunts and a little bit of everything, but mostly mostly big game and mostly whitetail um, and then here in the last year or so I moved back up here to michigan and got, uh, what we call in the business, a big boy job. So, and then on the side, I yeah, I do a lot of filming for 810 Outdoors. Youtube and me and Josh are good buddies and he's kind of we're we're hunting partners and video filming partners.
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Speaker 4:Making the forgotten coast unforgettable he's, he's gotten, he's dived, dove deep into into the youtube stuff here this last year since we've been doing it together.
Speaker 2:That's great man, and what took you down to Texas originally?
Speaker 4:It was just a random thing. So I went to school for wildlife management and while I was at school I did some work with, you know, forest Service and different government agencies, which is kind of the path you go if you get a wildlife management degree and doing that kind of stuff in the summers and whatnot. I just, you know, I'm jealous of what you learned during that.
Speaker 3:I mean honestly. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, I just I'm impressed by that because every time I hear about like the student side of hunting or that part of it like where people get to learn, like the biology and everything involved from that base I'm like a big fan of.
Speaker 4:So sorry, yeah, I think I mean. I mean, school is school. I think they have a pretty clear objective, and it's not to make you a biologist, it's to further your education even farther, going to master's and doctorate right. Right.
Speaker 4:So that's kind of the whole process of college and school is pushing you on. But I did learn a lot and you know, coming in with with it more debunked, a lot of stuff I thought I knew, right you know, or made, made me question things I thought I knew growing up, hunting and stuff and and you kind of see things from both sides now, having having that background and being out in the field and doing stuff, hunting and efficient now I think that's a.
Speaker 2:I think that's a really good point because, like I um haven't talked to I don't even know probably eight or ten different biologists on this podcast, and then talking to, obviously, a lot of hunters too, um, I think we, um I think hunters have the tendency to like kind of give people involved in the game and management of game a really hard time because of certain regulations or changes. Oh dude, but they don't really realize. It's an easy bitch source yeah.
Speaker 2:They don't really realize why these decisions are made, and 90% of the time, the people that are making these decisions are outdoorsmen themselves.
Speaker 3:They spend more hours a week or more hours a year than you can even probably dream of, because they love it so much, and that's why they got that In most cases.
Speaker 4:Now there's some bad hires here and there, but anyway sorry, right, and that's kind of my opinion on that is a lot of the people that are actually making the decision, aren't those people that are in the field?
Speaker 3:doing work and stuff. Well, that's where you got to respect programs like Delta waterfowl, that they're heading these kids off and getting them involved when they already hunted before.
Speaker 4:So there's, there's. I mean there's tons of good programs out there. You know, nwtf Delta Ducks Unlimited. Tons of good programs out there. You know nwtf, delta ducks, unlimited, cca for fishing side of things. Yep, you know there's. There's all kinds of that kind of stuff, non-profits, um and I. But I think the the disconnect between the hunter and the regulatory side of things is, you know one.
Speaker 4:It's kind of just human nature to question authority I guess, um, so you have that part of it and then a lot of times these people that are the head of, say your, your state's, um, natural resources and stuff aren't necessarily those, those outdoorsmen, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah which, by the way, I they're a politician.
Speaker 3:I agree with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly I agree with you on that point.
Speaker 4:I'm talking more towards like your biologists and yeah, yeah, you're guys that are in the field. Yeah, guys and girls that are in the field, yeah for sure, um, but I got side. Oh, I saw, yeah, I, I did that kind of side of things with Forest Service and stuff kind of in the summers while I was at school and decided pretty quickly that I didn't want to go that route. So, wrapping up school, I just kind of Texas A&M has a really good job board for all things natural resources, I guess A better word to put it. So I was just on there and scrolling through and these internships and this and that were popping up on Texas Game Ranches. So I just started applying to them. I'm like, hey, that'd be cool, right, cool, right.
Speaker 4:So um, got one of those and interned for a year at a place and then bounced around to a few other places, both guiding and, you know, kind of working year-round down there. So you do a lot of habitat work and just kind of maintenance work on the ranches and stuff throughout the summers when it's not hunting season. Um, and then did that for about five years and then decided I just wanted to guide full-time, you know, and not not do the off-season work necessarily down there kind of put in, put in the off-seasons in michigan, where it's a little better climate in the summer and uh you know, just kind of enjoy some summer and work part of the year.
Speaker 4:So then I guide it for just strictly guide it for two years, um, and it was awesome like I it's. It's one of those things if you have the chance to do it, go do it like it's. You don't ever feel like you're working. Yeah, a lot, of, a lot of the days guiding and working down there. You're working from before sun up until after sundown, but again, it's not like you're. It doesn't feel like work. You're hanging out with buddies, essentially, right, almost everybody. Obviously there's bad apples, but almost everybody I ever hunted with, I mean I called them friends by the end of the the trip. You know that's cool man what um, what um?
Speaker 2:and not to get like if you had more to go on about, feel free to do after this question but um, because definitely curious about that. But I'm curious, you know, coming from michigan going into texas and like learning to guide deer there, I mean we're kind of talking off air. It's just a completely different animal. You know, can't kind of speak to that a little bit about. You know, if there's anything deer behavior or anything just like that, you're like wow, this is so much different than michigan oh, that's a great, no, no good stuff, good stuff justin, great question, talk, talk a bit on that because, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 4:So, texas is majority high fence places which I admit it myself, I had a, you know, a a bad bias against high, high fence before I went down there. Because, sure, high fence ranches in michigan and a lot of places are you know a few hundred acres. Where they're, they're breeding deer, kicking them out and shooting them, that season type of deal, so it you kind of a lot of people have a bad taste in their mouth with high fence, um, but down there a lot of the places not saying there's isn't places that do that, but a lot of the places not saying there isn't places that do that, but a lot of the places are you know, 5, 7, 10,000 acres. So a lot of those deer don't really ever see a fence in their life. They're essentially wild deer in most of those places.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the biggest thing is and where I was at in South Texas, because supplemental feeding is such a big thing, the body sizes aren't that dissimilar, but a lot of places in Texas it changes drastically you go to the hill country and you're seeing mature bucks that weigh 170 pounds. You know mature bucks that weigh 170 pounds. Um, so comparing that to a michigan deer which is, you know, 200 plus pounds at two years old. Yep, um, that was. That was kind of the biggest thing.
Speaker 4:Um, deer behavior wise, a deer's a deer. I don't think it matters where you're at in the country a whole lot. You know, a deer is going to do deer things. They're, they're worried about four things food, water safety and reproducing, right, um, you know, that's pretty much all that their brain ever thinks about. Um, so I don't, I don't know if it that changes anywhere in the country or anywhere in the world. So the biggest thing, like I said, was the body size and learning how to age deer accurately isn't really the right term because there's studies and stuff out there that even doing the tooth analysis's only like 70 accurate within a year. So but, but educating myself on actually properly aging deer was was kind of one of the biggest things, because growing up in michigan if it was, you know, an eight point it was it was probably getting shot and harvested.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, I mean and let's think about that for a minute because it's very similar to Illinois is that you could have an 8-point, and Tristan's experienced this. You could have a 100-inch 8-point walk up on you. That is the bull in the area, bro, like for real, like dressed, 200 pounds, a little badass. He's just never going to have the rack but he's going to go around bullying everybody and and you know we all see it like, if you look at any northern picture of deer, you know for I'd say from illinois up, is you get that fat girth, big gut, you know. And when you see those legs start getting stiff, bro, it's time. And and which leads me to my question is what would you pick the three most um important things you look at immediately to age a deer?
Speaker 4:uh, so where the, where the neck meets the body is, is one um.
Speaker 4:So, without getting into a ton of detail, once deer's rate reaches, say, three year old, because a lot of places in the in the country, uh, deer don't really get the chance to get older than three, georgia. So like, like, like, like a three-year-old buck, where that neck meets the, the body is a big one. You know, at three years old that deer is going to look like a, an fl linebacker, you know, just a big, bulky neck you know younger than that.
Speaker 4:He's kind of got that skinny neck where it meets the body. It's kind of skinny in the body. At three it starts to all merge into one um after that, uh, you know the back. You know you can start to see that sway back after they get to. You know, four or five years old and the length of legs is a big one which, like I said, it depends where you're at. Obviously you get these northern deer and and they're going to look shorter as a two-year-old than a southern deer looks as a two-year-old, right, just because the the makeup of body. But once they start to reach that three, four or five you can really look at and they look proportional if not short. So that's kind of the three. Three is a real low number. You've got to kind of put everything together though, Like you know, just behavior-wise, you know it does play a role A lot of the old-timers I say old-timers, you know just just behavior wise, you know it does play a role. A lot of the old timers.
Speaker 4:I say old time you know a lot of the old timers. Look at tarsal glands. I am not as big on that, but you can tell a little bit from tarsal glands, um. But yeah, that neck is is one of the biggest, I would say for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, you know the, my stepdad that was deep into bow hunting, you know he always just used a couple like general things and he said look at a quarter horse. Right yeah, when you look at a quarter horse, if the deer, if you're trying to kill a mature deer, if it resembles a quarter horse at all, pass it's yeah, pass it pass it. And then the stiffness of legs. Those back legs start to stiffen up.
Speaker 4:They just do they start to walk like old men. Yeah, they, you know their joints are starting to get sore and and everything else. But yeah, and you know, all that being said, if it's, if it's a buck, and you're hunting a buck and you're happy with it, take the shot right.
Speaker 3:That's right, shoot the spike.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I won't ever judge anyone for shooting any buck, because.
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Speaker 4:As long as they're happy with it, that's all that matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I've shot like three spikes in the last three years and I'm just like it'd be nice to shoot something, uh, bigger than that.
Speaker 4:But yeah, we know, and that's, yeah, that's one of those uh, old wise tales. Whatever, you know everyone, you know all the old timers shoot this white shooting spikes. And now there's, there's guys out there saying, well, no, don't shoot the spikes, this and that and it's. That's one of the it's. That's a pretty big point of contention in the deer hunting world at the moment, anyway, is whether or not to shoot spikes, and what it comes down to is is what, what are you looking for out of, out of your deer herd as a whole? You know, because, well, yeah, that's like that spike's got a just as good a chance as that. Yeah, that spike's got just as good a chance as that one-year-old six-point or four-point.
Speaker 3:That's actually been proven.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah To be. You know that whatever book buck, 130-inch buck, whatever you want to call it, yeah. So if that's all you're looking for, great, don't shoot your spikes. We did pretty intensive calling on one of the ranches I was at, and the results were were pretty undeniable. But we weren't looking for those 130 to 150 inch deer down there, we wanted those 180 pluses.
Speaker 3:No, so so we would shoot every heavy rack for a small deer.
Speaker 4:It really is those, those deer, uh at you know four-year-old deer those were were dressing out at 200 plus pounds.
Speaker 2:So no shit well, he was saying the supplemental feeding and all that where he was uh, okay, fair enough, right, um yeah you know. You know, what I always find interesting about Texas deer is just like all my life, like when you see a Texas deer's rack, you instantly know, because like they have, I mean tell me if I'm wrong here? No dude but they have these like the way they're, like bladed points of their racks are.
Speaker 3:They've got to be a subspecies in some way.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like all of them have this bladed point like deal going on, yeah, yeah like all of them, have this weighted point deal going on. Yeah, there's definitely a Texas look.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't hold the mass, but they have like a shit ton of points and spread.
Speaker 4:Yeah, a lot of them are widespread. You know tall time, you know kind of look to them and it's um and a lot of that is down there. You can kind of manipulate your genetics a little better than you can on a you know a population of deer here in Michigan.
Speaker 3:Let me, let me ask this, sorry, Let me ask this man. So for years and I'm going back to like when people started showing texas, you know, um, you know, the real tree crew would go down there and I can't think the old gentleman's name down there, but he's been running a hell of a hell of a organ, uh, um, ranch down there for years and stuff. And I remember when texas showed up on the map like holy cow, there's some big deer shot down there, right?
Speaker 4:and that was, that was probably early 90s, yep yep, for sure, and you know and it was every cover. I remember, you know, looking at covers of that milk river montana yeah, yeah, um, go ahead, anyway. What was the question to that?
Speaker 3:No, it's just that. Oh, so what you see as a like commonality is it shows like they are so respondent to rattling specifically. I mean, I see so many people hunt them in, like in hill country, in the brush and stuff off the ground, you know, and just threw up a brush blind, rattle the shit out of them and here they come. I mean, is that just a stereotype or is that? Have you seen that success?
Speaker 4:personally. No, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely. A higher percentage of you get a response to rattling down there.
Speaker 3:I wonder, why that is.
Speaker 4:I think a lot of it is the buck-to-doe ratio. Ah, okay, that makes sense. So say, here in Michigan I don't want to throw out numbers and be wrong on numbers, but there's five to ten does per buck here, you know, on any given block. So so those, those bucks, don't have to, don't have to fight, don't have to go out and search for that doe when those does are in heat. They don't, they don't have to be on the move as much and they don't have to. You know, do all that, all the air, quote, rut activities, because there's just does everywhere.
Speaker 3:Do you think Texas just generally as a whole, by tradition, has done a good job of doe management? Yeah, is that what it is?
Speaker 4:I think Texas throughout the last 30 years should be the model for deer management.
Speaker 3:They're going to and you know what, and they eat them. Oh yeah, those deer get eaten and oh yeah, but that's a interesting trend that I've never thought about, like how that varies. Like we always talk about how hunting is different in every state, no matter what you hunt, tristan, but what about like a trend like that? That's something I've never thought about in my life.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think, like I said, it's all the way at it With TPW, Texas Parks and Wildlife. Like I said, my lifetime, at least the last 35, 40 years, has done an excellent job at not just deer management but everything wildlife management-wise Interesting, very interesting. Yeah, it's a different world down there, for sure, and things which is a lot of. It is like I can't say that Legislative, legislative, yes, I can't get that one out today.
Speaker 3:You're allowed to do so much more as far as management tools You're allowed to do a whole lot of shit in Texas that you can't do anywhere else.
Speaker 4:Yes, which is great, yes, yeah, which is great, yes, yeah, um, so, like most places down there are under a mld permit, which is a managed land deer permit, and to qualify for that you have to do so much, so many things. A lot of it is. You know, you have to survey your deer herd every year and get a obviously it's not an exact number, but a pretty close to exact number how many deer you have on your property every year. And then the state biologist actually works with the ranchers and landowners to come up with a harvest plan for that property, whereas I don't know if there's any other states that do that.
Speaker 2:Well, I wonder if the reason I mean it's got to play a role in that. I know Texas is such a, compared to other states, such a predominantly privately owned state, so it's kind of like to justify some of the jobs of these resource guys. It's kind of like they got to play a bigger role in helping with private lands than states that have a lot more public land, you know.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, um, contemplate this, all right. If, like you said, tristan, there's so much land that's privately owned in Texas, what does that have to say? I'm just opening up an argument point. Something to think on is what does that say about private ownership versus public land ownership altogether? I mean not, not public ownership, publicly ran ground.
Speaker 3:What I mean by that is I'll give you the simplest example I can give you in the state of illinois catch a bass, all right. If you go to a state, a pond on a state park, right, you go there. Yep, dude, I don't remember what the specifics are and my Illinois friends remind me just because I haven't lived there for a few minutes, but it's something silly. Like you can't keep like a small bass, all right, they have to be like over 14 inches or something like that, all right. Here's the problem with that. You keep catching the big ones. The little ones just explode in numbers Bill Dance has proven this and take over the pond, because all the little fish get all the bait fish and all the big fish go, and that's just what happens, right?
Speaker 3:So here's my point on that you take bill dance's philosophy and it's a proven philosophy you can do research in anywhere on how do? How do you manage a lake or a pond right? How many fish you need to take a month, all that stuff. And he's talking about bait fish, bass, bluegill, whatever. This is very similar to that. When I'm thinking about this is that here you got so much private land owned in Texas and these guys are doing a great job with it and it's a killer buck to doe ratio.
Speaker 3:Here we say oh well you know you can, before you shoot a buck, you have to shoot a doe. Doe, which is a lot of states. I just don't think they're going about it the right way and I think there's I don't know. It's just.
Speaker 4:I'm just throwing that out there for thought with everybody yeah, and that goes back to what we kind of started with, with the disconnect between the public and the wildlife divisions.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe we get too analytical on the biological side of numbers. I don't know, um, I'm not going to speak on that, I'm not a professional in that, but I mean, obviously, their, their goal is the same as us. We want to protect our wildlife and maximize opportunities. Right, yeah, because, and so so anyway.
Speaker 4:So, to use your example, I mean, is, you know, catching bass out of a pond? You know, I don't, I don't know for sure, but maybe the state's looking at it like well, as long as we have people catching fish, they don't care whether it's a big fish great point.
Speaker 3:Yes, that is a great point, bro.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because that is, there's more opportunity to catch for that little boy to walk up, or girl? Yeah, to catch a fish, and they don't care how big it is and that's like said, there's that's a great point. I love that you brought that up it all kind of goes back to that disconnect between hunters and anglers and government yeah, um you know, a lot of times I do. I don't always agree with regulations and whatnot. Obviously I don't think anyone 100% does, but I think the intentions are good more times than not.
Speaker 4:Yeah for sure. Now, that being said, michigan just made it so youth season this year. Youth season. Youth can only shoot does they can't shoot a buck, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Speaker 3:That one, yeah what yeah, yeah, so all right I'm gonna shut up right now because I'm pissed. I'm literally pissed, but I'm I'm gonna use that piss to go research it and and and you're not the only one, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 4:It stemmed from bad apples. Essentially, A lot of hunters were complaining that these dads and stuff were going out and shooting the big bucks with their kids. The dads were actually shooting them instead of the kids missing. That you know. Two weeks before regular no dude, that's a.
Speaker 3:There's no way that the that the bad people are higher numbers than the good.
Speaker 4:There's just no way exactly, it's just like you know. It's just like dude. Most people are good, that's just exactly a fact, um, but you know, that's kind of where it stemmed from. And and then, like you're telling me, if I take my kid out and that eight-point buck walks out, I have to tell him no. Right.
Speaker 3:Dude that's a great way to say you can't, you don't want to hunt, no more.
Speaker 4:I'm not surprised well, I'm not going to take my kid out at that point, yeah, I don't want to tell them no and have them had a have a bad experience, especially if it's the first time out you can't win a championship and get a trophy.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's basically what it is like here you won the championship, but uh, you don't get nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that really yeah, that's really a bummer man man, because so many dads too would I mean so many dads would love to see their kids shoot a bigger deer than they ever could.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Yeah, especially yeah. When you're at that age, you get more gratification out of seeing somebody else harvest an animal.
Speaker 2:Every year you see it somewhere a 12-year-old shoots like you know, rivaled a snake record, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was this little girl I saw shot a 200-inch deer with a bow. I was like bro put her on the front page of every slinging hunting thing ever. I mean what a great thing. I look in the comments. People are like I bet it was high fence, bro, I don't give a shit what it was, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If a 12-year-old girl shot a deer with a bow, legally, that is an amazing feat. If she shot a deer, period, it's an amazing feat, yeah.
Speaker 4:Right, and that is one of the bigger issues I think, hunters, we're facing right now is is the, the rivalry within you know it's all about. Oh well, you shot it with a rifle, shoot it with bow, or you shot it with bow. Why didn't you shoot it with a traditional archery? Or you shot it in high fat. You know it's not. We're all on the same team is how I look at it, like we should be hyping everybody up on every harvest absolutely, man.
Speaker 3:No, we've talked a lot about that and I mean, like on the turkey side of it, you know, talking about the whole what's it called the new style, with the fans, oh, reaping, reaping. Yeah, all right. So people are against it, people are against water swatting ducks and yeah, somebody complained about that one time on a post and I go. So I guess you're against shooting a deer that's standing still.
Speaker 2:I mean seriously, bro, I mean, and the reaping thing in particular is kind of weird, because it's like on public land. I mean maybe out west, where it might be different, but in the southeastern part of the United States you're not going to reap a turkey on public land, they're just too pressured. So for one let's just say that's a truth, Not the traditional style.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what you're saying. We've experienced it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're not going to just be able to do that. So, in terms of the run and gun, scoot and shoot decoy thing, but um, if you got public land and can, or privately and it can do it, then who cares what you do if it's within the law?
Speaker 3:you know, bro, the same stuff. And listen, folks have been around, and you've been around a minute, logan, I believe. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? Uh, I'll be 37 in september, all right, so 37 year old enough to remember this? Um, I remember when maybe you're not, I'm so old, but I remember, and I got taught by a guy that's been bowhunting deer since it was legalized in illinois in the 60s. Can you imagine? There was a time when they shut down deer hunting in illinois, so that happened. He was part of the state committee to get it re-approved. So this is the guy I learned from right.
Speaker 3:Right Dude can you imagine a time when you didn't even see a deer track?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was like something.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I'm not where I am in Michigan specifically, but the Upper Peninsula is starting to be like that. I don't know if you remember back 40, 50 years ago, but the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was the spot michigan was it was not good. It was not good. It it was, but it was the spot to go if you wanted to. Big deer yes, in michigan, everyone, everyone has their deer camps up there, everything it was a sleeper cell.
Speaker 4:That's what it was and now that the deer herd is is dwindling so much because of this, that and and the other, we won't get into that kind of stuff because that goes down a big rabbit hole. But now, guys, they're just like the deer camp experience up there is just going away.
Speaker 3:Wow. Well, I'll tell you what man. So imagine this, and this is where I was going with talking about you know, not even to be able to hunt deer in illinois. I remember sitting in camp with my stepdad and my mom and y'all you've heard me talk about my mom and logan I. I won't bore you. My mom was on the front page of buckmasters as america's best lady bow hunter at one point. So, yeah, she was pretty, pretty cool, chick, um. But the point is that we're sitting there and I won't forget it was on a Friday night and my stepdad and my mom in time were in their 40s and I'm a teenager and I'm just slicing deer dude, I mean, I don't care, whatever, I'm killing them all. If it's Brownstown.
Speaker 3:And we had a couple of young guys, dwayne and Kevin, shout out to you guys that were innovative. They were addicted to deer hunting and they knew where we were hunting at. They were kind of like I would call them like pre-Cam Haynes. I mean, these guys were obsessed and physically fit, active, all this stuff. And they walked into the house that Friday night and as soon as they opened up the door I said meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh. Walking in the door and my stepdaddy goes, what in the F is that? He goes? It's a grunt call. He goes for what he said, for deer Bullshit is what he said. He goes for what he said, for deer Bullshit is what he said he goes bullshit.
Speaker 3:He goes I've been hunting. At that point, let's see, he had to have been hunting 35, 40 years Right In the tree. Here's what's crazy. He said he'd never heard a deer say that or a deer do that. Yeah, now I'm going go take it fast forward. He ended up believing in it. He tried it with his mouth. Actually, he said, before I try the damn deer calls and spend money on, I'm gonna try and make it with my mouth. So he and he goes, I'll be some a gun. That deer came around and he said he shot it 15 yards. So he became a believer in it, you know. So at that time there were people on the left side, I guess I'll call it that were like that's cheating. Yeah, just like the whole turkey thing we're talking about. So what? What you were getting at is that there's, everybody takes a different avenue. So is using a cell camera cheating?
Speaker 3:right all right, yeah, all right so and I've talked about. If you want, if you're getting bored with what you're doing, change what you're doing. That's what's great about hunting. You can take it right any avenue you want to yep, and that's.
Speaker 4:The cell camera is kind of the hot topic these days, obviously, with states starting to regulate it and whatnot. But yeah, no, and I don't. I don't know when it started, why it started, why it is. When did it become a competition between us? Yeah, who's a better hunt at who's a better hunter because of this, that, that or the other? It doesn't matter. It never has mattered. We all want the same thing at the end of the day. We all want to enjoy the outdoors, have the opportunity to harvest an animal, and most of us anyway want to eat that harvested meat. So that's what it comes down to. Why does it matter how you go about it? As long as it's legal and ethical, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:I think some of those people are missing the message of what you're trying to pursue.
Speaker 4:I think the vast majority are missing the message. It's sad. I think we'll be the downfall of hunting if we don't change those ways now, on the flip side of that, I will say this and we will.
Speaker 3:We don't have to go down that hole. But if you guys pay attention to ted nugent and watch the hearings he's had with the state of michigan regarding baiting deer, Um, it's bullshit really. I mean he calls it out and there's a whole. I'm not just trying to say just what Ted believes is right. I'm just saying that just because it's a law doesn't mean that it's right, Okay, and and like he's saying, like, what's the difference of me putting a pile of corn at 25 yards? Or you say, oh, what's the difference of me putting a pile of corn at 25 yards? Or you say, oh, you can build a one acre thickest beautiful corn little plot right under your tree stand. It's the same thing, you know.
Speaker 2:So anyway, I don't and I don't know. Maybe you can like shed some light on this Logan and not put you on the spot, if not but, I would think that just outside looking at if I'm playing advocate. Um, I, I now, granted, we hunt over corn in georgia. Never did my whole life in illinois, but you can in georgia, so we do. But, um, you know, I, I would think you know there's that whole debate about corn. That goes bad then, like that's concern.
Speaker 2:Deer getting sick, turkeys getting sick, whatever. So there's that whole thing. And then also I do see the perspective. I don't know if this has anything to do with the state's opinion, but I see the perspective of it being kind of cool to plant a food plot and shoot a deer off of that natural food plot. And of course the corn isn't going to go bad, the whatever you got in that field isn't going to go bad. But just playing that side of the fence on it.
Speaker 4:I mean, I, I get those two things. I don't know if that has to do anything with it or not. Yeah, no, corn going bad is nine times out of ten. That corn is not going to be there long enough to go bad. You know, like the deer, turkeys, raccoons, squirrels, everything else is going to. You know, unless you're putting a 10 by 10 pile out at a time, right, right, you know, if you're putting a 50 pound bag out, that's going to last do you want coffee that doesn't suck?
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Speaker 4:A week maybe in most places, I don't think going back is as much of a concern as now. Now, their big concern I say their, as in states and regulatory agencies is the CWD staff, which I have quite a bit of experience with it. Now, when I was down in texas, it was, you know, the hot topic and it was it was happening down there when I was down there, um which, so you know, state's perspectives on that is oh, they're at a bait pile, they're licking and nudging and this and that with each other, but anyone that that knows deer behavior. They do that all the time all day every all day, every day.
Speaker 4:Anyway, they're communal animals. They're licking, sniffing, nudging constantly, so I'm agree with that portion of it.
Speaker 2:I also you know if I was honest honestly, if I was targeting a big trophy mature deer nine times out of ten, I would not be hunting it over bait, right? They're not going to come to it, they wise up to it. Yeah, yeah, obviously. And I was just telling him about the perspective down here. I'm like dude, it's not like you just set up corn and these big bucks are going to come to it because they, just like you said, they wise up to it. And everybody and their brother on every property around here does the exact same thing.
Speaker 2:So you know and I the reason I came to that conclusion. I thought maybe during the rut they might come by like to check which they might, might still do that. I thought you know that would be the case. But from watching our cell cameras all year for a whole year this is the first year we used them and kind of gave me a new perspective where I'm like dude, even with that, like they're still hardly ever coming out in the day, like they just always are yeah, the nice bucks are nocturnal and and they may be coming by to check.
Speaker 4:You know that, that that corn pile, but they're gonna stay, you know, 200 yards downwind in that brush line or in that fence line or out of sight anyway, they're just they're. They're winding it and using their sight from a distance. They're not gonna come all the way in nine times out of ten. Um, not saying you can't shoot a big deer over over bait, because it happens yeah all year, all year, every year during hunting season.
Speaker 4:But just personally, I, if I was targeting an individual mature buck, I I wouldn't be over bait more than likely. Yeah, um, but that is I don't know. That's the bait thing that I don't think will ever be. Uh, not a point of contention. Um, just because it's, it's the easy, it's the easiest thing for them to take away. As far as what you can and can't do while hunting, so that's something that will always be a battle in every state. Now also, you know, supplemental feeding, baiting I see them as different things. Corn is great if you want to put a pile of corn out and see deer under your tree stand. If you want to actually help those deer, corn is probably one of the worst things.
Speaker 2:It's like them eating donuts or something right.
Speaker 4:There's very little nutritional value to a kernel of corn, to a deer.
Speaker 3:They put the beans out there.
Speaker 2:The thing we we talked about the other night is I was telling my buddy, like you know when, when the acorns are dropping, like that corn, they're just, they will be deer that will show up, but it's not near the traffic that you see, like early season or post acorn drop when the acorns are dropping. They're not dumb, they know where the protein and fat content is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and their bodies desire it, just like we do.
Speaker 4:They're lazy If they can go four steps to eat some acorns instead of going 40 yards to that pile of corn.
Speaker 2:they're not going to that pile of corn Right, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4:But back to the competition thing. Outside of the reaping stuff in the turkey world, I think turkey hunters are kind of the best group of hunters as far as realizing we're all on the same team. Um, just, I've always enjoyed turkey hunting but the last several years I've really dove into turkey hunting. That's probably my favorite thing to chase at this point, and just that community is there's a lot more good than there is competition within, I think.
Speaker 2:Um, so shout out to turkey hunters, I guess I wonder, I wonder why that is, you know, I mean I wonder if it's like. You know, I think I'm just like throwing some mud at the wall here. But like you know, deer, you know it's such a big thing with antler score and all that kind of thing, but like with turkeys, it's kind of like yeah, there's the spurs and the beard and all that, but really everybody's kind of just out for like a mature bird. It's not so much like oh wow, you know I gotta have an inch and a quarter spurs. You know that's cool, but I mean, what do you?
Speaker 4:think why that is. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a lot of it because turkeys essentially max out on their trophy potential, whereas deer it's basically unlimited. I think it's just a hunter mindset thing too. I think people, the hunters, think there's a lot less trophy deer than there are mature turkeys type deal. So it's a little more competitive nature inherently when, oh maybe I have this 100 acres to hunt here in Michigan, but Jim has 100 acres on the other side and Bill has 100 acres on the other side of that. So you know, inherently there's probably only one or two trophy bucks in those 300 acres, Right, Whereas turkeys depending where you're at, obviously, but there's probably 10 or 15 mature turkeys in that same 300 acres and um, do you, do you think?
Speaker 2:well, I guess, when it comes to harvesting a mature buck, I guess it's kind of different. The only thing I was just going to say is, like, with turkeys, obviously it's. I mean, you hear so many people that go like like, like legit turkey hunters not, I'm not talking to people that do like paid stuff out of state and you know right, do that whole thing. But the people that like, let's say, they just hunt their state and they are avid turkey hunters, they'll be like man, I haven't shot a turkey in four years. Um, I I mean, and the calling aspect and how challenging it is to hunt it. Maybe there's like a, which I know mature white-tailed deer are very hard to hunt as well, but it's like I just wonder if the because turkeys are so hard to hunt. Maybe it's kind of like oh yeah, nice man, you got one like. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it it's just, I don't, I don't know how to explain it. It's just different mindsets and yeah, and you know, obviously we're all hunters still at the end of the day, but you know, I don't, I don't know if you've ever gone to the nwtef convention or any of that stuff and it's just fortunately not.
Speaker 4:I want to like even there, like you know it's, it's a big expo, obviously, but you have call makers and decoy and everybody. You know there's no competition within the industry, even like everyone. Everyone realizes there's enough to go around for everybody. You know there's enough business and selling turkey calls and there's enough business in selling turkey hunts or or whatever you're you're trying to sell and so, like in the deer world, everything's just kind of top secret and oh, this is this is our way to do it. You better buy from us, kind of deal. And Turkey, turkey guys are oh no, that guy over there and he makes a great call as well. You know this guy over here, you know so it's. It's just a different mindset.
Speaker 2:Well, I find it interesting to hear you say that I don't know and fill me in on this. You know afterwards, but or not? After the podcast.
Speaker 2:But I mean after I asked this question but uh, you know I that's one thing me and my dad have talked about with the duck hunting expos is it's almost like, at least from our perspective at the expos I know duck hunters within themselves, especially on public land. Can you know there's the fistfights and all the bad stuff you know like, at least from our perspective at the expos I know duck hunters within themselves, especially on public land.
Speaker 2:Can you know there's the fistfights and all the bad stuff you know there can be that yeah but, for some reason on those expos we've always got the vibe too we've talked about with several people. It feels so communal, like everybody is so like. It's always such a good time and um I. It's kind of the same thing as what you were saying about turkey to deer. My dad's made the same point about turkey to ducks. I don't know if you feel the same way or not.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I mean duck hunting, like I said, obviously it gets very competitive, public land-wise anyway, even private land, for that matter. Yeah, true, even privately and for that matter. But yeah, true, but outside of, like the competitiveness for hunting spots, I feel like it's it's very cool as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna race to this hole or I'm gonna show up the night before so I get that hole. But you know, end of the day, if you pull up beside me and and want to hunt, you know, am I going to be a little upset. If you're, if you're 50 yards away and shooting swing birds yeah, obviously. But the first thing, the first thing I'm going to do and I I feel like a lot more duck hunters will do is walk over to that group and say, hey, you want to just join together and and hunt all together and and not screw each other over here, all right, so?
Speaker 2:yeah, but that's.
Speaker 4:It's just a. It's a weird thing that kind of is only only in the deer community. I guess it's uber competitive. Um, which social media hasn't made any of this any better? But um, I don't know, it's. It's one of those things you can't really explain and I don't know if anyone ever will, but I'm hoping we can all start being being one big happy family here before long that's right.
Speaker 3:right, I'm going to run around beating ass because I'm getting tired of it. You know what? I will say this, though, just from the outside, looking in as an older fella, you know, growing up before social media and all that stuff, I have seen a movement in the last.
Speaker 3:I don't know five to 10 years on a positive trend and I like what I'm seeing and I love the influence that most of us out there, just just like Luke Bryan song, says right, most people are good. You know, and that is the truth. Whatever you see on TV or whatever you know, your brain is going to recognize. Whatever you allow that garbage can in, you know there's, there's, there's a book back whenever I was younger like probably in my mid twenties it came out. It's called being happy. It's still available. It's a small book with big print and for somebody like me to read that, was very difficult because my, my ADD span is terrible.
Speaker 3:I mean, I mean, I just, I just you know I never was a book reader, but that's the thing I always remember is that you know your brain is like a garbage can lid and you've got to protect it, man, and you know you can get influenced every way, right from false media to whatever it is. But what I love about the younger generation is they're starting to be great bullshit callers, right From false media to whatever it is. But what I love about the younger generation is they're starting to be great bullshit callers, right, they are starting to call bullshit on stuff that is incredible, which is great.
Speaker 4:It's definitely getting better. For sure it is. You said it pretty good. But you have to have the wherewithal to be able to see the bullshit yep and be like, well, yeah, no, that's just somebody doing it for the lights or for the engagement which I I I'm guilty as charged on that account because, I mean, I I posted a video of a deer hunt the other day and it was. It wasn't a great shot, it was back, it ended up being liver and I posted it because I knew people were going to. You know, come at me for it, but it's reality.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's my perspective.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like Devin, our buddy that posted a video on that bad shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right. I mean I told him, I said, dude, that is balls. I mean that's the only way I like to put it, and I said good for you because it had an educational impact. Application Application to it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and that's you know, with our YouTube that's what we try to. You know there's it's a flooded market in outdoor media these days with any named website, app, whatever, but so much of it is just highlights of the harvest and this and that, and when we kind of started it, we're like're gonna show it how it is.
Speaker 4:So you know, we'll post duck and goose hunts where we don't harvest a single bird, because that's how it is more time yeah, yeah, but we still get you know, we're still out there having a great time because it's you and your buddies out there bsing and cutting up and doing all that stuff and that's that's, you know, that's that's what draws me to, to waterfowl hunting more than anything is the is the social aspect of you know, you're out there with three, four buddies and and even if it's not a good day hunting, it's still a great time yeah, well, and I love how katie tristan's wife put it one time.
Speaker 3:you know, her first weekend of duck hunting, she just said I asked her what her favorite day was on the way home and she said well, it was this day. And I said but we didn't shoot that many ducks that day and we had all kinds of problems. The side by side broke down and she goes well, that's because I got to sit next to kate, that's what. And because Cade, if you guys don't know him, cade can cut up a blind like nobody's business. I mean, like I don't have a tenth of his potential. It's like having Bill Burr in your blind, literally, literally, and no wonder. But guess what? When she left that experience, that's what drew her back.
Speaker 4:She remembered that way more than any pile pitcher of birds.
Speaker 3:Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4:And that is the great thing about, like I said, duck hunting and waterfall hunting in general. You get so much more of an experience because, yeah, if you have a bad deer hunt, you're sitting in a tree for five hours and doing nothing. Essentially, you get so much more of an experience because, yeah, if you have a bad deer hunt, you're sitting in a tree for five hours and and and doing nothing. Essentially, you know.
Speaker 3:So yeah bad.
Speaker 4:Deer hunt kind of sucks right, it does you you. You come back in and like man that was that was brutal.
Speaker 2:You feel like you're suffering for that deer, you know.
Speaker 3:No, going to happen. The wind's right and everything, and then on that specific day that you went out there, it just happened to swirl right there and screwed you up for the rest of the year. Yeah, and this is all like you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it sucks when you have a bad day in the deer woods or in the turkey woods, um, but in the, in the duck lines, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't know if there's a bad day to be no there isn't no, as outside of just't if you're not shooting anything and it's cold as hell like a polar vortex cold that sucks it sucks when every yeah, that's where it sucks, but go ahead, no, no, you go ahead we get plenty of those miserable cold days here, but I mean anymore.
Speaker 4:if you're hunting out of a panel line or you know there's enough modern technology to keep you comfortable on those days at this point. That's right, there's not too many of those days. You're just like I am frigid If you prepare, right that's right, right, right. So that is the nice part if you're, if you're used to those miserable cold days and are prepared, that'll learn you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I like to say oh yeah you know, uh.
Speaker 2:You know, logan, we talked a lot in this podcast about like uh, you know you being a guide and you've. You know we haven't talked a lot, I guess, in terms of your, your filming and stuff, and I'm working with uh 810 to youtube, but you know, I think there's a. We haven't talked a lot, I guess, in terms of your, your filming and stuff and um, working with uh eight tens YouTube, but you know, I think there's a we haven't really talked about, like the stuff that you like to do, particularly as an actual hunt, like you actually hunting. You know cause, I know um, when you look at it from the perspective of like filming or guiding, you know it's not, you're not the one getting to pull the trigger. You know what I mean and I do.
Speaker 2:I do most of the filming for the stuff we do, and there is that aspect of not getting to pull the trigger. So I guess kind of two, two-part question. You know, I mean, how much hunting do you still like to get out and do and enjoy yourself? And I guess the other part of that question would be um, you know, at this point for you is, is just other people's, is that the enjoyment for you or do you still like to get out and do it yourself?
Speaker 4:um, it's situational like. So, like deer season last year. I'm ruined on deer, um, I, I, the one place I was working at, we were killing a bunch of deer, you know so I, I, I feel like I've already killed my lifetime amount of deer, uh-huh, um. So, like I, I went out and sat out one one day for myself actually hunting last year deer season um turkey hunting, I'll chase turkeys, um, but yeah, at this point I I get just as much enjoyment, if not more, running the camera, camera and seeing other people hunting, and that's kind of the guide in me anyway, right. But I think waterfowl season I pulled the trigger, which we had a pretty rough year, but I think I probably only pulled the trigger four or five times, wow, you know. So it's one of those. Like I said I, I'm at a point where I I've done it. I've done a lot of the hunting myself already, you know. So I really enjoy seeing, especially if you, if you got a kid or or somebody new to the outdoors.
Speaker 4:Um, I, I enjoy that more than pulling the trigger myself by a mile, you know right like this this past season we took, uh, our buddy cory, um, he owns great lakes calls, he's in a few of the few of the youtube videos and stuff with us and uh, but we we took his six year old son out for uh waterfowl youth season and he ended up harvesting his first duck and just, but like just the whole experience, the whole morning was great.
Speaker 4:You know, we were hunting public land and it was youth and veteran weekend so it wasn't super crowded but there was, you know, there was hunters kind of all around us still, and you know we're setting up and just the whole he, the excitement he had all morning leading up to it. And then we got out there and you know he's sick so he can't really, you know, swing, swing on ducks, you know that are circling and whatnot. So we're like, all right, we're gonna have, we have to let one land and you can, you shoot it once it lands. And you know, just after daybreak and and one lands and he pulls the trigger and and peppered it but it got off and flew and the first thing he did is, you know, pop, pop his head off the gun. Did I get it? And it was like, well, no, but it didn't matter to him at that point if he got it, not really um so seeing that kind of stuff is is I enjoy more than pulling the trigger for myself at this point.
Speaker 4:You know, like I said, between Texas and Michigan I had 30 plus years of well, 20 plus years of chasing game for myself and harvesting game for myself, and I think that my calling now is to get other people involved and capture other people's.
Speaker 3:you know memories out there that's awesome, dude, yeah now yeah now, we haven't done this in a minute, tristan, so I'm going to switch gears a little bit. It's something we used to do, um logan, like what if we had to just put you on the spot and say what's your most memorable story? What would it be?
Speaker 4:Um, I got a couple, so, uh, one couple I'll never forget, and it was before I started hunting.
Speaker 4:Um, I was, I'm the younger brother, so I say I always got stuck with mom, mom, mom's a big hunter kind of like your mom, she let's go you know she, she does it all and uh, so I I, you know my older brother would always get to go with dad. I always went with mom and we had one spot and it was. It was gun season here. So where I'm at, it's shotgun only now smoothbore rifle, but back then shotgun only and these deer stepped out and I was sitting next to her and to this day I'll swear that she rested the gun on my shoulder. I don't think she actually did, but you know, it was just. It's just one of those that I will never forget. You know the deer were, you know 100 yards out or whatever, 70 yards out, and she sit next to me and shot the deer and, like I said, I to this day I'll swear on the bible that she was wrestling that gun on my shoulder.
Speaker 3:But that's so that's one um I mean listen, that's a very intimate, neat story to me, because I think we all have those childhood memories, if you were lucky enough to be in that position.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I was super lucky. Our family vacations growing up were fishing trips and hunting trips. Let's go. I was very fortunate in that fact. And then the other one I'll never forget was, again, I was, I don't know too young to hunt still so 11 or 12 probably, which in Michigan at the time you had to be 12 or 13 to hunt, and they had just taken the. The head rose off the cornfield and so it was kind of a windy, wet, rainy day and we sat for a little while.
Speaker 4:I was with my dad this time and we sat for a little while and it kind of got light and he goes all right, let's go, let's go walk the cornfield. All right, you know I didn't know what we were really doing, but start walking the cornfield and you know he'd walk a few rows and stop, walk a few rows and stop, and every time he'd stop I'd you know me being a kid not really paying attention I'd run, run into the back of him. Every time he'd stop, for sure. Yeah, yeah, just just being a kid, not, you know, I was looking down the rows and he'd stop and I walk into him and finally he goes all right, stop it.
Speaker 4:Let's take a few steps back and, you know, kind of yelled at me a little bit. You know, in that, in that dad voice at least, and I don't know, it was maybe another three or four rows up and he stopped and swung the gun and shot a buck that was standing in the corner field. Wow, and you know he drops it. He goes all right and, like I said, I was 10 or 11, maybe 12 at the oldest, and we walk up to it and obviously we're all jacked up and he goes all right time to learn how to gut a deer. Yep.
Speaker 3:I knew where this was going. Good stuff.
Speaker 4:I'm just looking at him like what do you mean?
Speaker 4:Like I have no idea how to do this and so, like that's how I learned, is just, you just got to do it. You know, and that's very much how my especially my dad. He wasn't going to show me he's figure it out kind of person, which I think is a great way to to teach children honestly. Um, you gotta let them figure things out on their own. For the most part, that's right, but I I remember the bad part of that story, I guess, is I went you know he rolls the deer over and I went to start cutting on it and it still had that little bit of of nerves left in it, like it kicked when I started cutting on it and it I had one do that when I started cutting his balls off.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yep, that's exactly what it was and, uh, you know it kicked and I jumped back, I don't know. In my head it was 30 feet, but I jumped back and freaked out and was like, oh, he's still alive, he's gonna. You know all that stuff you think when they, when they do that last little kick of nerves. But those were probably you know and and that you know. Those are a couple my best, best memories, and I wasn't behind the trigger then. So it just kind of goes. Maybe that's how I've always been, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Bro, what a neat perspective. I don't want to point this out. You're the first person and I mean I don't know how many people we've asked that question to. It's been a lot and you're the very first person I've ever hear tell some of their favorite stories before they even were a hunter?
Speaker 4:yeah, before I was pulling the trigger on anything yeah, what a neat, what a neat perspective. Thank you for sharing that it's been, you know, 25, 26 years at this point, and that it's one of those things I don't think I'll ever forget, those two, two days. And as I sit here I can see, you know, the little plot of land across the street where we, where we did it. So you know it's one of those things.
Speaker 4:unfortunately we can't hunt that anymore, but you know it's that little hundred acre piece across the street. Was was very special to me growing up, so that's awesome stuff, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, logan, tell everybody you know where people can get in touch with you at tell plug a eight 10 to YouTube and just yeah, yeah, I like to follow you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah. So I do have a couple of Instagrams Woody Archibald the Bearded Sportsman, bearded Sportsman on TikTok. Logan Archibald on Facebook. The YouTube is 810 Outdoors, so any one of those, and then both my Instagram and tiktok have have linked trees in it with with everything else. You know, if you, if you find one, you can find it all. Uh, one of those. And then you know there's also a couple, a couple of our partners in in those trees as well.
Speaker 4:I know you guys are with dirty duck as well, and oh yeah, good guys um yeah, so we, we work with them, which, uh, I just ordered some more cold brew from them, because let's go on the cold brew bro like look, I know we always plug commercial during all of our podcasts, but the best commercial I can give tristan, don't even put the commercial in is that get the cold brew, bro, get hit, get the cold.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and they. They just released the cinnamon teal version here, so you know. No, yeah, jay, jay and buck are great guys. I've known them for a few years now and they are man quality, individuals, quality great people.
Speaker 4:I don't know too many hunters that don't enjoy some coffee. So yep, um, if you, if you're looking for a coffee brand that is hunter owned, hunter focused, you know all that kind of stuff, give them, give them a check, um, but for sure, plug, plug them. They're great people, but there's, you know, like I said, if you find me in one place there's links for everything else. Uh, I do not so much. You know hunting on tiktok.
Speaker 4:As far as going live on tiktok, it's, it's kind of just me and a bunch of friends on there bsing. You know everyday life, harping on each other, that kind of stuff. But feel free to come, feel free, we'll talk hunting anytime you want on. But feel free to stop in and say hi and this and that. And you know I'm an open book. If you've got questions about anything, if you you know any of that kind of stuff, let me know I'm here to help. I want everybody if you're not a hunter, I mean I don't know how many people a year I offer to take out hunting, you know, just to get them started. That's great, not as like a come hunt with me as a guy, just like I'm not going to charge anyone anything, just let's go enjoy the outdoors.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, man. I mean, the more of that we can get, the better, and I talk about that point a lot. I've been I, it doesn't um, I no doubt this is why you feel this way, but it doesn't um, I don't take for granted that, like I had a privileged life in terms of somebody to show me the outdoors and to like give me, hand me down stuff and to take me out and to and uh, I can't even tell you how many of my friends that my dad's helped get into hunting, because I've been like, yeah, man, come hunt with us, and he's always like whatever you know, come on, bring him.
Speaker 3:Um, that's great stuff well, and let me tell you that from a father's perspective real quick. It was my duty, based on how I got taught to teach Tristan. I didn't go to Tristan and go hey, I'm doing a recruiting experience with your friends.
Speaker 3:What I said was introduce them to it, and not that he didn't want to, but he wasn't at that stage as a hunter because he was so new to the sport, right, it was like if I teach him this for the rest of his life, that's going to be ingrained in him. And that's the way I looked at it as a father, you know, was like it's my job, not his job, because I'm still here. Like listen, the older you get, you just don't get to do as much as you do. You don't have the energy you have.
Speaker 3:You have aches and pains and all those other excuses I guess you can come up with, but when we, when we empower that's the key word here when you empower people and it doesn't have to be your son or your daughter, it has to to be somebody that you just like you said, man, I just want to get out and show them sport, and then we empower them from there and I just want him to know that it was my. I felt the responsibility to teach these young people, just like I remember your best friend Devin, the first time we took him crappie fishing, guess what. Now he's a deer-addicted psycho.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it honestly started with crappie fishing, experiencing the outdoors, yeah, and honestly just like two-second thing about him.
Speaker 1:Not to cut you off, logan but, I'm in the market for a new bow and long story short.
Speaker 2:I was telling him about these bows I was looking at and he schooled me for probably five minutes the other day about these specs and all this stuff and I'm like dude. He so ate up with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, isn't it cool to see somebody more like you're like you haven't been hunting half the time I've been, but you're such a psycho.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 3:And I've used that honestly, like, if I'm being honest, like I've used it as an advantage as an older guy. It's kind of like the big buck, right. You let the young guys chase the does and then you walk up the last second and you make it happen, right, Because you know, how to cut it all off. I kind of feel like I'm doing the same thing with these young guys. You young folks teach me so much. I love it.
Speaker 4:And that's not that you did it for that reason but, that's kind of the winnings for lack of better words is now that you did this for them, now it's their turn to do. You know, set up the decoys or do this or that for you, and they don't even know they're doing it.
Speaker 3:They're just psychotic, they just love it so much and I'm like divorce is gonna happen um I'm just kidding, I'm just me, but um, but definitely balance, but no, I love it and that's the thing I mean. I just love seeing these young people and even older people, man, I see it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, age doesn't matter, and I don't know how many times I've talked to people that are like, oh yeah, I'd love to go hunting, but I don't know anybody or I'm afraid to do it. Go hunting, but I don't know anybody, or I'm afraid to do it. Yeah it's. I mean, I, I don't. I tell them that there's nothing to be afraid of. Yeah, well, what if I? What if I mess up? You're gonna mess up. It's not if, right, like, even the best hunters mess up. So like, wipe that off the board and just go out and do it like you know. Go out and put the time in, whether whether you have somebody to take you or not, just just go try it, go go sit in a tree for you know a day and see what happens. And then, more than likely, you're going to turn into that addict and want more of it constantly.
Speaker 2:Ain't that the truth, man? Well, I think that's well said and I think that's a good little point to hang our hat on with this podcast. Logan, we just appreciate your time, man. We had a great time talking with you. Oh, you're going to be back on. Yeah, honestly just learning a lot from you, from Deerere stuff in particular, but just getting to hear your perspective was awesome and we just appreciate you coming on. Man, yeah, man.
Speaker 3:Personally. I'm sorry, logan, I just wanted to give you this. I mean, I was thinking this as we've been going through this whole podcast and that is man. You know, I learned so much tonight and thank you for blessing me with that man. I mean, you've been fortunate and thank you for what you do and, man, it's always a pleasure to hear from people like yourself. I mean, it's just, you've got great roots, you've got great demeanor, you love the sport and that's what this is all about, man.
Speaker 4:Absolutely and I appreciate that. I appreciate you guys having me on and that's end of the day If I can help or educate one person on one little nibbit of information. That's. My goal in life at this point is just to kind of be there and help. So I appreciate you guys having me. Thanks for the listeners for sticking around and listening to us. Yap for a while here, that's right.
Speaker 3:That's right. Good stuff, man. That's what the podcast is all about man just being real and sharing true life experiences, and education and promoting the sport, Thank you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely All right. Thank you All right man, have a great night. Thanks, logan, have a good one.
Speaker 4:Thanks guys, all right, bye, bye.
Speaker 2:Hey guys, I hope you enjoyed that podcast with logan. Uh, that was fun, it was a good time and, as promised, we're gonna hit you with the next segment we have here to kind of wrap up the podcast. But it's our listener question of the week and this week we got trey. Shirley is the listener question we're going with and, um, fortunately we've been able to hunt with trey. Um, I through our, through me and my dad's step-cousin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was on a trip last year that we had a pretty good time on and his question this week was what's the best way to improve your success rate? And I know he's a big duck hunter so I know he's more or less probably talking about ducks. But you know, I think we want to kind of take it as a full income it applies everywhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, first and most important thing, you can't get the ball rolling without scouting. You can't um, listen, if you are a new person getting into any hunting sport, any fishing, anything, I don't care what it is. Honestly, I mean survival, building a house, it doesn't matter what it is Dude you have to do your research first. And so in hunting we call that scouting and you've got to do that and that is like let's break down scouting. You've got to know your animal very well.
Speaker 3:So, knowing your animal very well, do biological research on it, go research that animal, learn about how they breed, when they breed, all those things, learn it from that side. But then it's about sign, right, it's about sign in your area. You've got to do. If it's duck hunting, if it's deer hunting, if it's about sign, right, it's about sign in your area. You got to do if it's duck hunting, if it's deer hunting, if it's coyote hunting, if it's pig hunting, it doesn't matter. You got to be able to look for that sign and scout and you're essentially using the scouting to put yourself in the best position to harvest that animal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, positioned to harvest that animal. Yeah, now I think, uh, I would. Just the other thing I would add to that is no matter what you're doing, whether it be, uh, you know, wing shooting, or whether it be archery or shooting a gun or whatever is making sure, um, you know you're proficient with whatever you're doing, um, or as or as as close to it as you can be.
Speaker 2:You know whether it be calling ducks. You know doing the best you can to. You know mimic that decoy spread and call the way you heard them calling and just try to sound like a duck or pattern your gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. And then, when it comes to your equipment, you know just understanding or just being as uh proficient with your equipment as you can. You know, you know accurate and all those things and, uh, wing shooting, you know there's a lot more. It goes into that leading the duck and just um. I think that's just kind of an experience in the field thing and in some aspects, but, uh, I think the two main things, like you said, would be scouting and just um, knowing your equipment and uh being proficient with it and using, using, uh, your using your time doing things to make your time spent there uh, more impactful, you know put yourself in the position to be successful.
Speaker 3:Right. Have you ever had a boss? No matter what you do, say to you focus on the activity, not the results. That's what we're trying to tell you to do, and what is so rewarding about that is, if you focus on those activities, when the results happen, you're going to cry like a baby. It's such a gratifying process that you sometimes go.
Speaker 3:I can't believe I put myself in this. You're so grateful for the opportunity, whatever it was, whether you shot a limit of ducks, whether you shot your first deer, whatever it was, it's the work that you put in. I mean, let's face it, the best analogy I can use if you go out and build something with your hands, you know, I know, men I'm not trying to take away from women, because women are this way too, but stereotyping most men feel pretty good about the shit they built. You know, I mean whether it was a junk piece or not. They're like I built that. Yeah, you know I mean. So that's a cool thing and and uh, to go by, is it's? I just think it's. It's really those two things, and we're talking about what's most important yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2:Well, guys, we appreciate you tuning in to another episode of the One Health Life Outdoor Podcast. If you wouldn't mind, like, subscribe, share all that good stuff. And tune in next week to another opportunity to get your question listed on this podcast. I'll put out a post probably the day or two before. Just be on the lookout on our Instagram and all that good stuff for the prompts to ask that question Outlook.
Speaker 3:Check this out. We've got some really cool podcasts coming up. You guys, have you seen Japu Outdoors? You're like, who is Japu Outdoors? Who's got this motion decoy, with Dr Duck sitting there going bro, this is legit. Alright, we're going to have Carson on. It's going to be a great podcast. We also got another podcast coming up with somebody that has been involved with duck hunting in arkansas since they were a baby. They've been a guide. They're one of the best people we know, honestly, and, honestly, one of the luckiest people I know. If if you want to know why some people have so much success, you're going to have to listen to this podcast, because he is the epitome of a great person, a good Christian man, a dad, a teacher and a waterfowl hunter. Colton, we're proud of you, buddy, and we can't wait to get you on here.
Speaker 2:Well said, well guys. Thank you for tuning in and it's one hell of a life I've been southbound.
Speaker 1:I've been hellbound riding on a midnight train Going too fast. Now think I'll slow down standing in the pouring rain.