Arkansas Duck Hunting Real Talk | LIVE with Delta Thunder

We go live with Kade Weatherford from Delta Thunder Outfitters to talk Arkansas duck hunting as it really is, from drought-driven chaos to days when rain flips the switch and birds pour in. We also get into what makes a guide worth booking, why “holding” ducks is a loaded topic, and what Delta Thunder’s new lodge upgrade means for hunters this season.

• going live on YouTube and taking listener questions
• Kade’s outfitting operation in Cash, Arkansas and what hunts he offers
• the new lodge upgrade, capacity plans and why prices may change next year
• what Kade looks for in guides and why guiding is not the same as hunting
• why Kade cares more about client experience than ego and numbers
• last season’s drought and how lack of water changes everything
• aquifer and well pumping explained in plain language
• why rain often improves hunting fast and how ducks react to fresh water
• flyway “shift” debate and how agriculture and food distribution affect birds
• ethics of duck clubs, flooded standing crops and “holding” birds
• pressure on specific species and thoughts on bag limits
• common new hunter mistakes, especially ignoring wind direction
• decoy spread adjustments, donut spread pitfalls and landing zones
• crosswind versus wind at your back and how blind visibility changes
• details on booking, lodging assumptions and how to lock in dates

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Transcript

Going Live And Setting The Stage

SPEAKER_00 0:02

I've been hell down, I've been hell down, don't be at rank. Too fast now thing off go down and in the foreign rain.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Oh, my glasses off. I can't literally, I can't see you guys at all.

SPEAKER_05 0:24

Everything's blurry. All right, we're live, so everyone be on their best behavior. Let me make sure it's going live on our hear me. Oh, yeah, no, it's live. What's up, guys? Uh, Tristan and Tony and Cade back from another episode of the One Hove Life Outdoor Podcast. Doing something completely different tonight, going live on our YouTube. Oh God, here's Riley jumping in already. But uh we're treating it like a normal podcast in the sense of like we're gonna talk Arkansas, whatever, with Cade. But the cool thing is you guys have the opportunity to jump in here and ask a question. Um, and as we're kind of going along, we'll answer these questions. So you want to know anything about Arkansas duck hunting, farming, uh flooding, um, you know, carburetors being sold off trucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Uh Cadillac converters, that's what they like.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

Cadillac, yeah, Cadillac. That's what they like. Whatever you want to know, Kate'll Kate will help you out.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

So hey, we also got some Kate's also got something to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

He does. Big news, big news. So, Kate, thank you for joining us, man. Yeah, thank you guys for having me on. What it is, cuz I see you got the the legendary spoon spoonie spankers hat on there.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

It's all I'll wear. I won't wear anything with an allard on it.

SPEAKER_05 1:42

Dude, you've got at least 112,000 miles on that hat.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah, I got a whole case of them. When I wear one out when you can't see what it is, I just get you another one out of the case.

SPEAKER_05 1:53

Well, you must wear them out a lot because I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't like beat the hell.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

I used to have one that was black and I loved it, and all I got is these brown ones. But yeah, they they uh I like them. We're gonna get some Delta Thunder ones made though. Um and they're gonna be able for other people to buy them and stuff, and I guess I'll start wearing that one since it's my brand, but I just I do. I I'm gonna have to get a Delta Thunder one with a spoon bill on it or something. Do it, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

You need a mascot.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

I have a lot more respect for a spoon bill than a mallard. I do.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Do we need to get like a spoon bill mascot scoop for somebody to come by to meet all the new hunters on Fridays or something? He comes by.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Hi guys. You know how the Indians they carve those poles? There's something they're called a some kind of pole, you know, and it'll have a totem pole? I is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

So I need to get one of them guys to carve me out a giant, like an eight-foot-tall spoon bill, and I'll put it on a new lodge.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

Dude, that'd be incredible. Also, you need like a if there's a flag pole, you need an American flag and then like a Delta Thunder spoon, spoonie flag underneath.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Yeah, something. You know, when you go up to visit the monks, like before you walk in, you have to go up to those poles and be like, uh uh uh uh uh you gotta like they're wooden and you gotta like rub them and stuff and do their code or something. That's what you have. Like you have to walk up and do that to the spoonbill thing. Yeah. So uh that or pray pray to the flag of Ted Nugent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

So what so what uh I'll leave it to you if you want to release the info later of the exciting news or not, but uh regardless, uh tell everybody, Kate, who hasn't heard you

Who Cade Is And What He Guides

SPEAKER_05 3:45

before, um, just who you are and what you do.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

So I'm an outfitter out here in northeast Arkansas. We're located in Cache, Arkansas. It's about 10 miles uh west of Jonesboro, and that's the biggest city that's near us. That's where I live. Um we guide waterfowl hunts out here. We guide uh duck and goose hunts. Uh sometimes we'll do early teal. It just depends on the water. Uh we guide primarily duck hunts, and uh we do a great bit of uh snow goose conservation hunts. Uh we can do speckle belly hunts. We we do speckle belly hunts. I get people that ask for them. Um but yeah, we pretty much hunt all the waterfowl under the sun here. Um and it just all depends on uh some of our seasons, really teal season, just depends on in early spec season. It just depends on what we have available, what crops are growing, what the water looks like, and what the birds look like, because we care about we want everybody that comes out here to pull the trigger. That's that's the goal. And I I mean, realistically, if you're a real hunter, you know that every time that you go hunting, you're not going to that that's not gonna happen every time. If you hunt all the time, if you hunt every day, it's not gonna happen uh every day. Uh but it makes you real grateful when you do, and I try to give my clients the most opportunity that they can to pull the trigger. Uh sometimes I fail, but a lot of times I succeed.

SPEAKER_05 5:21

So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

No, I mean he fails a lot. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

No, hey, listen. Wow, all that you we want to talk about this past year.

unknown 5:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

No, hey, listen, I'm not even gonna go down that rabbit hole. The proof is in the pudding. All she gotta do is you guys jump on our YouTube, man. And if you're on our YouTube right now, just jump over to the Delta Thunder playlist and check it out.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Yeah, you can th Tony and Tristan have come out and they have videoed I want to, I don't want to say hours, but several hours of what of filming, and they they filmed about everywhere we hunt, just about, I want to say. So, I mean, if you want to get a perspective on what it's like coming out here or kind of uh just get an idea of what it's like. I mean, y'all filmed when it snowed, y'all filmed when it was flooded, y'all filmed when it was the conditions were normal. I I don't like it, it you can't. When it was dry. Yeah, when it was dry. I mean, like,

New Lodge Upgrade And Price Reality

SPEAKER_02 6:30

you can get a y'all filmed about every scenario where it was filmed that one in the storm that one time. Um I mean, it just you can get a pretty good perspective on what it's like. Uh only thing they don't have is what it's like, is how the lodging's gonna be like. And we got the lodge um to pretty much regear our outfit. Uh it's a it's a new, it's a very big cost, and uh we're gonna have to go up on our prices next year, and I I hope everybody understands that. Uh I always try to be fair, cheap, and affordable. Uh I I don't want anybody going home think that thinking that they got they paid too much. You know, I that I don't want anybody to ever think that. But I also want to give anybody that comes out here the best experience that I possibly can give. Um if you know, and I'm not talking about shooting ducks. The ducks or the geese or whatever it is you're hunting, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. But I do want to give everybody, I mean, even if they shoot a few ducks, or don't kill any, just I want them to have fun. That's that's the goal. Uh there's gonna be some times that we don't kill anything. And and I and I not a lot of people, not a lot of outfitters say that. Um waterfowl's real ego-driven nowadays, and it's it's sad. When I was growing up, you know, we didn't care, you know, what we killed. I was hanging out with buddies, and I mean we were having a fun time, either way. And if it sucked, we'd go to Waffle House, and we had a great time, you know, we had a great time. And it it's sad that waterfowl's driven the way it it's gone the way that it's going. It's it's a really ego-driven thing. It's I kill all the ducks and you don't, uh, you know, and they puff their chest out. And it's that's not what hunting's about. We're hunters are conservationist. You know what I mean? We're here so they don't overpopulate, and God put 'em here so we could eat 'em. That's simple. He didn't come here so we could kill all of 'em. I mean, we could kill all of them. I mean, if anyone tried, you could kill all of them and make them go extinct. But it's not about puffing your chest out and I kill all these ducks and you don't. And and that it's sad that it's but anyway, I'm jumping down. I totally I'm getting off track here. I just want to get the point across that we're a real we're real hunters. We've got some amazing leases. Uh some really that I fight really hard every year to keep. I mean, there's always somebody trying to offer more money to lease the ground that I got, but luckily I've got really good relations uh with my farmers and uh and I don't have to worry about that. Uh they take care of me and I take care of them. At least I feel like I do. I think a lot of them would vouch for me and say that that I I do take care of them. But uh but yeah, I mean we want we want everybody to come out here and you know, our lodging before it was kind of cramped. Um it wasn't fancy, but you know what? I'm not a fan, I'm a very simple person. You know, I've been to deer camps and turkey hunting places and everything like that. And the last thing that I think of is where I'm staying. I mean, I've slept in the truck, I've slept in the bag on the ground. I don't care if you're going hunting, but not everybody has that uh mentality. They want to stay somewhere nice and they want the whole experience, they want somebody to cook for them, they want somebody, they want to stay in a nice place, they want to have a nice hunt, they want to be so I guess that's what we're trying to tap into. Yeah, we're trying to do that.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Well, and and Kate, not to interrupt you, but you know, you when you talk about the experience, you know, I think one of the the biggest things, and it and it starts with you, you know. I always say that every good company, you can tell, like if you've been part, and you know this in anybody's personal life, like if you've

Guide Standards And Customer Experience

SPEAKER_01 11:05

been part of a good organization, it always starts at the top. And you know, one thing that I think is some of the unspoken heroes really is like you as a guide, you are a great guide. And then because of that, your guides are great. You know, they're personable, they're friendly, they're nice, they're gonna do every they will not sleep to make sure they're doing everything to try to make you have a good time, you know, and and uh they just take ownership of the position. And um, I think that's one of the greatest things that that you got there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Well, we do. We've got a we've got a great team. We got a great team of people. I've got a couple new ones that are coming on that haven't hunted with me before, but like I said, if they pass my test, uh, and I test all my guides. I mean, I don't hire somebody, hey, I can blow a duck call and just send them with some people. And there's people that do that. Um well, I don't know if there's people that do that, but I'm sure there's people that do that. They're like, Yeah, you want a guide? Come on, I got you some people. I'm sure there's some people that do that, but I don't. I mean, that I tell everybody that comes in guides for me that you're gonna have to guide me before you can wear my name out there in the field, you know. And and I also tell my guides, I said, This isn't my I mean, it is my outfit. My name's on the tombstone, you know, but it's ours. We use it to make our living and you know, it and it's our reputation that's out there, you know. They say, Oh, we went well and and yeah, and uh Riley Griffin was our guide and he was super nice and everything. He's wearing my name, and they remember that part, that guide, and they want to come back with him, and that's what I look for in a guide. I look for somebody that's gonna they're gonna want to make sure that their name is in good graces, but also, you know, they're gonna make it look good, you know, look good for me, and not saying I want them, I mean I want them to make me look good, but not say I'm trying to make them look good, but I want them to, you know, uh feel comfortable when they come out here and hunt with me.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Well, they're the type of people that customers, and I've heard it, you know, that customers request them, you know, like I want to hunt with Riley or I want to hunt with Colton, or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 13:29

They're good guys. They're good, they're good. They are they're people persons and and and they're good, they can relate with people really well. And that's that's part of what it takes. I I I hire I get some of these guys that call me and they say, Hey, I want to come out there and guide for you. And I'm like, all right, what kind of gun do you shoot? And they'll tell me all about it, and it's a duck slaying, duck slayer, super soaker 3000, and uh, you know, and I'm like, okay. I was like, well, do you want a guide or do you want to hunt? And he's like, Well, I hunt all the time, you know. I hunt all the time. I'm like, okay, but do you guide? Because there's a difference in a in a in a hunter and a guide. It doesn't matter how many that guide, how many ducks that guide can kill, or how many by himself. Because you're calling them ducks in for somebody else, and they've got to do their part, they've got to hit them too. I've had people that I've had people that come out here and complain they didn't kill no ducks, but they sure shot a lot, you know. Uh, and I don't know, I I can't stress more on that. Like it's not, you know, we've had years where we killed 1,100 ducks, but realistically, you know, it should have been more than that if we could hit. And not and it's not necessarily shooter's fault sometimes. Sometimes it's weather. Like, you know, if you're shooting in a 35, 40 mile-an hour crosswind, which we've done before, I mean, it's hard to hit them. I mean, even somebody like me that hunts all the time, um it's hard to hit it, it's hard to hit them and stuff like that. I don't care how much you shoot a shotgun.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Yeah, I think I think you brought up a good point, Kate, about like the what you look for in a guide. Like, I could see that some people I've never had this experience where I've hunted with a guide like this, but like I could see people calling you and being like having this ego about how grand of a hunter they are, but that's like it's they want to hunt though, is the thing.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Yeah, they don't want a guide, they want to get paid to go hunting.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

Right, they got to be some.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

I'm not paying them to go hunt, I'm paying them to get my the people that pay you their good money, I want them to pull the trigger. I you know, I'm blessed. I I grew up here and I'm I'm super blessed, and I I've killed enough ducks that and I've told Tony this on the phone a million times. If if I didn't do this, then

Why Cade Loves Guiding People

SPEAKER_02 16:00

I I would be a deer hunter.

SPEAKER_05 16:02

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SPEAKER_02 16:40

Turkey hunter, and probably rarely go duck hunting. And it's just because I I mean I'm blessed. I've I've killed a bunch. I've when I was in high school, we kill some e-ducks, and and I was guiding a little bit then too. Um I've killed some e-ducks I've I've uh enough more than some more than some people kill in a lifetime. And my granddaddy's probably killed 30, 40, 50 times more than that, and I can only imagine because he was back in the glory days when it was just didn't have the amount of hunters that you got now. But uh, yeah, I mean, but why I do this is you know, it tickles me to death when I get a group that comes out here that don't get to do this every day. Like I get a group like from Alabama, David Nelson's group, or you know, Colton Hayes from South Carolina. He comes out here and brings a group, and maybe a few of them guys in that group hadn't duck hunted very much, you know, or they've duck hunted a lot, but they're used to shooting two or three wood ducks or something like that, where they just don't have a big population. They don't get a big flight like we do, and they come out here and they wear them out, and they're just I mean, you thought they won the Super Bowl, you know. Well that that tickles me to death. I mean, that when I get to see that, when I get to see that I really help these guys succeed and what they wanted to do, you know, fill a a goal that they had in life, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

It ain't gonna be life changing, but it's still a goal, you know. Uh it's still a goal. And and that tickles that tickles me death. Uh when I when I get a or a group that has never done it before. Or, you know, a father and son that come out here and they tell me that they're trying to start a YouTube channel and get big out there on MTV. You know, I'll see what I can do. You come out here and film some of this stuff, and I'll try to get you on some ducks, and then look, your computer, internet, connecting, FaceTime, all this stuff, getting new cameras and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

That's me to death that that's well, I think you bring up an important point here, and that is that you know, while we're talking about this experience at Delta Thunder Outfitters, you know, we truly were customers first.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

I mean, that's the word this if you don't know that about us, y'all. We were customers first, and we really were. And, you know, this relationship has developed into best friends, you know, like we're like blood brothers at this point.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

It wasn't even like somebody was like, hey, uh, go hunt with this guy. I wasn't even a referral. Like straight up off Vencu, like a random.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Some things are just meant to be. But you know, the thing I wanted to shoot up about, Kate, is just uh, you know, you talk about like, you know, you want to you want to be affordable and all that stuff. And that was why we part of the reason why we chose you too, you know. But the thing is, is that, you know, I think that, you know, speaking from a customer's perspective, and especially like all your your you have so many customers that rebook with you year after year, no matter what. And and I want you to tell everybody about what you say about the three-year thing. But um, but the thing is that if you're investing in your customers by doing what you've done, and that is you're upgrading the logic to give them a better experience. You have definitely increased the the the I mean, you've just been so fortunate to have people like Riley and Colton and and you know, and so many other folks that I'm sorry not to mention right now, you know, that that help you out and everything. And that's all part of the the upgrade of the experience, you know, that you're you're you're you're providing a better experience for a customer, you know. And I think that that's what I'm super excited about, you know, just seeing from where you were into where you're going. There's, you know, sometimes you hear that saying, I'm not surprised. I'm kind of not surprised because, you know, you bust your ass for your customers, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Well, we do. I mean, it really I want them to shoot them birds more than they do, you know. And uh, and I and I want them to have the best time I can get them, you know. I've had some people that come out here and the duck hunting was slow, but I got a killer goose hunting spot, you know, and I'm like, hey, do you guys want to go shoot some geese tomorrow instead of hunting ducks? I know the duck hunting's been slow, but let's try to go shoot some of these geese. And that's right. Some of them people are dead set on duck hunting, and if they if they're dead, if that's what's gonna make them happy, then that's what we're gonna do. But I just look for options. I mean, I want them to take something home. I want them to be able to say, yeah, we went out there to Arkansas and hunted at Delta Thunder with Cade Weatherford, and you know, the duck hunting was slow, but we sure did get on the geese. Or, you know, uh I had a group from North Carolina a couple years ago that come out here on a self-guided hunt. The duck hunting was slow. They was here for three days. Duck hunting was slow on the first day and nobody they killed a few ducks, you know. They had two pits leased from me, day leased, and that night we were kind of talking, and I said, Well, you know, I said, if y'all want to swap out your self guided hunt for a goose hunt tomorrow, I said, I might be willing to do that. And he said, And some of 'em wanted to keep duck hunting. Some of them wanted to goose hunt. So I said, all right. So we figured that out, you know, and I took them goose hunting the next morning and we slayed them. I mean, slayed them guys that went duck hunting were so they were like, Oh, really? And like they slayed a couple of ducks. Well, then the next day, both of their pits limited out. Both of them.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

No way.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

I mean, but that just shows you how on a dime it can change.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

And there was no weather change. There wasn't no rain. It was the same weather conditions. And only, you know, God Himself only knows why that changed. If you knew why that happened, you'd be a millionaire. But exactly. I mean, it just happened. I mean, it shocked me more. He called me at 11 o'clock. Hey, we're done. I said, give up already. He said, No, we're done. We got our limit. I said, All right. Well, and I'm more happy. They're happy now. I'm not, but I'm more happy than they are about it. You know, we're taking pictures and they're, you know, celebrating and everything like that. And we clean

The Drought Year And Why Water Matters

SPEAKER_02 23:10

the ducks and everything. And it was a good old time.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

So I'll tell you what, what's fun for me, also, Cade, and Tristan's witnesses too, is when you get that kind of reports from your guides and your and your customers, when you show up, because Kate always shows up every time you come hunt, he's going to show up, he's going to introduce himself, you know, he's going to show up and meet you at camp and talk and all that stuff. You're not, he's not going to be gust on you. But dude, when you get out of your truck, it's like you're breakdancing all the way to the fire. And I'm like, here comes some good news.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

When it's good news, it's good news. Then sometimes you want to rip your hair out. I mean, it just goes, you can try a thousand different things. And like last year was a great example. And it just mother nature did not work with me. And it's never in the history of my life. And my granddaddy's 70, he'll be 78 next week. Um he in his life, I mean, we even got to talking about it. There's not been a year that was like last year that was comparable. Everybody was like, oh, the weather's not getting cold up north. Yeah, that might be a factor. But water. You have to have water. You have water foul. And we it was a drought here. I mean, it was it was there was people working up ground, farm ground in December. And usually December's a sloppy, muddy mess, and you ain't getting a tractor out in the field. But there was people working out here like it was April, like it was dried up springtime. And uh it was crazy. Yeah, and um I I don't know why. I'll tell you this: this year's shaping up to look a lot better already, and I know it's super early, it's just July, but we've had more rain in the last week than we did all winter last year, and it's really crazy that it's happening in July.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

So probably gonna be well, and that's helping helping that base, you know. Every any rain helps because like explain how that works, Cade. Like, because you've told me about like how you'll flood a field when you guys have had low rain, but then it'll just suck it.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

So you know, like it's not as simple as turning a well on and flooding it. So you've got the well that people drill wells because you got an aquifer, and that's an underwater reservoir. So the aquifer is down here, and then uh so from my arm to the bottom of the screen, here's the aquifer, right? And right here to here is just dirt, right? And this is like it's aquifer and it's dirt, but it's like dirt and water, right? And that's where you're sucking the water out from, and all that water that hits top of the ground soaks down through the dirt and gets to the aquifer, all right. Don't believe me, don't believe me. Go go open a science textbook. Um, but so it's holding that water under there, right? So you don't have any rain water from the top soil to the aquifer, right? It's just dry dirt. Well, when you suck this water out of the aquifer, all right, you're going up the well, you suck it, and pump it on top of this, and this is all dry, right? What's that gonna do? It's gonna soak into that dry dirt and go right back, and you're pulling it out of the aquifer, right? So this is drying up, this is getting lower, and it's going to the top and soaking right back down. All right, that's what happens when you don't have any rain. So you got your aquifer, dry dirt, and the top, it rains, right? It soaks this from here to the aquifer, and then you're pumping water from the aquifer on top of the dirt, and it the rain replenishes the aquifer, and then the water that you pumped it gets everything moist from the top to the aquifer, and that's how you get flooding. You've got to have you can't put water on top of dry dirt, is is the moral of the story. You can't, and last year there was zero precipitation, and you couldn't, it wasn't as simple as turning a well on. Yeah, you could pump, but you're gonna have a mud hole out there, and it's not gonna hold water, it's just gonna be mud, and that's what we had a lot of. And we pumped, we put I promise you, we pumped, I pumped more last year than I have the last four years together combined. I guarantee it. Probably the last 10 years together combined.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Um, I'm sure you know what your diesel bill was.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

It was awful, it was awful.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

I had to pay the co-op about four separate times, and uh it was a nightmare. I mean, really, it was stuff that I couldn't afford, but luckily, I mean, we did that, and then you know, we had some snow goose hunts where we were able to, you know, make it kind of back, and and luckily the snow goose hunting turned out great. It sure did, dude. Like it started out sucky right when it started because it was froze, like it we went from dry and then it snowed, so that was crazy. And like usually when you get a snow here and that snow melts, it'll be just sloppy. Everything will just be a sloppy mess. I mean, even on the gravel roads, you'll be sliding around because it's just slop. It was so dry that when the snow

Aquifers Wells And Flooding Explained

SPEAKER_02 28:35

melted, it was gone. I mean, it was dry dirt underneath it. And I've never seen that. If you go, if you watch it snow out in like Kansas or Oklahoma or something like that, like out in the deserty part or whatever, that's what it does out there. I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

It's always flushy after us after the snow melts, right?

SPEAKER_05 28:52

But uh, hey, real quick before we get like into something with the snow geese or whatever, a couple things on the uh duck hunting stuff I want to touch on. One, um you were talking about those guys being out there three days and how it can change on a dime. I can't tell you how many times before we learn, me and my dad would be weekend warrior, warrior weekend warriors out there, be leaving on it, you know, go out on a Friday, hunt Saturday and Sunday morning, and be wishing to God we were gonna stay to Monday. And then sure enough, on Monday it was like lights out. And that's that's when we learn. It's like staying that third day, just it I mean, it's playing, it's like hitting a freaking blackjack at the table, you know. It's like you're just giving yourself another hand to have that opportunity. So I think that's important. Um, you know, for y'all listening. Like if you're if you're going out there, I know it's money and time and all that, but make make it worth your time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Yeah, it's it's time off work and everything like that. I totally understand that. Yeah, but like if you're gonna make a trip, make it especially like if you're coming from two or three hours away, I get it. Take a couple days, come back later if you want, you know, that's totally up to you. But like if you're coming from a ways off, I like depending on how far that this is just me. If I was coming from 12 hours away, I would want to stay at least five days, you know what I mean? Right. That's me. If I'm gonna drive that far, I want to hunt, I want to do some hunting. Um, but yeah, I mean, uh it it it can, it can change on a dime. And I've tried, I get people that ask me all the time, what's the best day to come? What's the very best day to come? And if I gave you an answer, I'd be a liar. Because I I and I we did a podcast on this several months ago, but I pulled out all my books and had the numbers, and I in a few of those years I had the numbers on the day, like how many we killed each day, and there is not one day that overlaps another where we killed the same amount or killed a bunch. There's not it's different every year, and I cannot stress to people like there is it's a lot like playing the lottery, you know. We've got some good hunting, your chances are good out here, but your chances are zero if you don't come. Not saying they're a hundred, not saying it's a hundred percent. Some years I feel like it is, like, but some years I mean it's like it is what it is. And if you come out here with a mentality that you're I had a guy that I already knew he wasn't gonna kill nothing when he came out here. He called me. I don't even remember the guy's name. Like I probably wouldn't say it because what he said was kind of illegal. But uh I'm not kidding you, this guy calls me and he said, Hey, he said, I got a question. We're coming out there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday or something like that. And I was like, Okay. He said, Can we shoot the guide's limit? And I said, No, sir. I said, We don't, I said, we don't shoot the guide limit. Why not? Well, that's his limit. Well, we got to doing the math, and there's X amount of us, and if we killed the with the guide's limit, if we killed the guide's limit, we'd be taking home like a hundred and ten ducks or something like that, you know, whatever it was. And I was like, Yeah, this guy, I was like, How do you know you're gonna kill y'all's limit? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

But he already had this is how I knew we were gonna have problems before he even got here, is he had the mentality that he was gonna limit every day, and they were gonna limit the guide out, was like his mentality. And we don't do that. We number one, it's illegal. Number two, like when it is good, I want to get you in there and then get you out as fast as I can. That way we can let them ducks sit there and get them again the next day. You know what I mean? I don't I get some people that come out here and they'll shoot a limit and they just want to sit there and watch the ducks, and I get it, but don't do it. Like, I know it's fun being in the pit right underneath them, you know, watching them come in right there in your face, but like get out, like if you want to do it again tomorrow, get out of there. Get out of there, and you can watch them all you want from the road, but get out of it, let them get in there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 33:26

Don't sit there and educate them, get out of there, and uh yeah, so you know, going back to um, we were talking about this a little bit earlier, but I wanted to kind of touch on it like everyone, everyone's perception. There's like two talk tracks on Arkansas. It's like, man, uh, you should have been here for the good old days, and then it's like, oh, well, you know, the flyways moved, and you know, it's not what it used to be, and whatever. But what I I kind of want to hear your opinion on, Kate, is that I when when Arkansas is on, it's I feel like it's an extremely special place. And I just kind of want to get your opinion because you've lived through the good old days, you know what it is now, and you know, just get your opinion on the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Um before you before you go there, I just I want to because it's tied to the service of what we were talking about, and this too. The quick point I want to say about your experience there is it's this is speaking for people from the south, like you don't one of the most remarkable things about hunting in that area is truly the amount of waterfowl that you see. It is something special. It's it's it's still to this day, it awes me whenever I see hundreds of thousands of snow bees for hours just trailing the skies. Or even if the ducks aren't landing with us, dude, but we're seeing hundreds of thousands of. I mean, at times, it's just it's a spectacle that, man, if you really respect wildlife, just that alone, it's

Timing Trips And Hunting Another Day

SPEAKER_01 35:05

it's it's something else, you know. So even when sometimes the days are bad, you'll just sit there and just be in awe the whole time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

We're gonna be around them for sure.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Yeah, yeah. So I just wanted to mention that first. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Yeah, there is some days where you don't you don't kill them, but you'll see them. And I mean, there's not many days we don't see them, like they're here, they just gotta do their part, you know. And I can't force them to do their part. I'm looking for a video that I took that I watched yesterday. Actually, I know I got it on my phone, but uh so I don't remember what you asked before Tony said something.

SPEAKER_05 35:42

Uh I was just I was just asking, like, you know, people talk about the good old days in Arkansas, and I was changed, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Yeah, yeah. So the flyaway shifting. Let's let's talk about that real quick. I don't believe it. I I don't believe that the flyaway shifted. I believe that I don't know if this is the correct term, but the topography has changed. The terrain has changed. You know, people talked about just a few years ago that Oklahoma didn't have any ducks, and Oklahoma's got ducks now.

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SPEAKER_02 37:12

And if you do your research, there's more agricultural stuff going on in Oklahoma than there was. There's people growing crops in places because they've come out with new varieties of corn and soybeans that are more drought resistant that are, you know, so there's people growing stuff in places, and that's what them ducks are looking for. The ducks don't get up from Canada from their nesting grounds and go, you know what, let's just go south. Let's just go. Come on. Let's get the kids and let's just let's go down there. They don't do that. They they they're looking for food, they're doing it for survival. If they didn't have to go, I promise you, I bet you they wouldn't go, but they go for survival. And that's what they're looking for is food. And I think that there's more food available in places that there wasn't before, so it's spreading them out. That being said, I want to find this video here. I know I have it uh because I looked at it yesterday, it might have been this morning, but so you know, everybody was last year you open up Facebook and they're like, oh, Arkansas's dead. It's Missouri's the new Arkansas. Yeah, it was this year because they had all the water. Uh we didn't have no water, you know. It wasn't that the ducks don't don't want to be here. And I was gonna show you this video that I took of all these ducks, the first rain we got. We so it snowed right at the end of it froze up right at the end of January and into the first part of February. And then after that snow melted, it dried in the soil, like I was talking a minute ago. And then after that, um it rained. We got a big rain right after that, and it put a lot of uh water in the places it usually floods. And I had a duck field actually that we still had stopped up, but it hadn't hold held water all year because we don't we don't pump it, we just use rainwater to flood it. And um I'm telling you, the next day after it rained, the very next day, and that's what I and I'm trying to find the video on it on my phone here, but the very next day I took a video of it and there was duck, I mean, thousands, thousands of ducks, I mean thousands, I mean trusting but those ducks follow that rain, I'm telling you, that's what they do, because they know that wherever it rains at, this is my my idea on it, and every time it rains, either during or after, just about every time it rains, during or after, we end up shooting some ducks. It might not be a lot of ducks, but we end up doing better than what we were doing, unless we were killing them before, you know, then we just keep on doing it. But I'm just saying if you're in a slump where it's been slow

Flyway Shift Or Changing Food Sources

SPEAKER_02 40:30

and then it rains, I'm telling you, the next day or during the rain, if you can be out there during it, that's when they show up. And I mean, I've tons of people have told me, you know, that the group that I was talking about from North Carolina a little while ago, that I ended up taking speck hunting on their second day, and that third day both their pits limited out. That day, it rained that day, and they had killed a handful of ducks by about 9 30 or 10 o'clock. And from uh from like uh like 10 30 to 1 is when they really, I mean, started spanking, you know, just whacking them.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

And uh yeah, I mean, uh it it was it was really uh well think about the from a simple think of from right from really from a very simple standpoint on that. From a that was February 11th.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

Oh man. Jesus, that's clouds. Damn, dude. If you look on the I don't know how good you can see that, but on the very back side of that levee right there, they're black.

SPEAKER_05 41:39

It was this do you say this was this season or when was this?

SPEAKER_02 41:42

That was this year. That was and you know how bad it was. Yeah, that was this year, and that was right after that was right. No, that was uh filled on on our snow goose lease.

SPEAKER_05 41:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Um but there hadn't been no ducks there, and then that when it rained, but I'm telling you, the ducks, they you know, you hear about ducks moving on weather, I definitely believe that. I think if they feel that it there's about to be some weather, I don't know their telekinetic duck powers or whatever they have, but like I feel that when it like they when it rains, and I'm talking about right here where I hunt, I can't vouch for Florida where it rains every day down there or you know the east coast, but I'm telling you here, when it rains, or them ducks feel a front coming or something, they follow it because they know it's about to rain, and that rain is going to put water somewhere where there wasn't any water, and then where that water wasn't and now is, they they can get on it and there's new food, fresh food available. It's like somebody bringing out a hot plate, you know.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

That's kind of what that's kind of like what Devin Smith just asked, uh, which he's coming hunting with us on the uh one half life weekend um in January. But he was just asking, um, you know, does rain cause the sediment to stir and bring in more areas of feed? That's kind of exactly what you were just saying.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

That's exactly what I mean. And even on a field, okay, let's just say it's a field that's already flooded. All right, I don't know if there's any science behind it or whatever, but I've always like I've heard here heard these biologists and stuff say that snow geese and ducks they can eat a field out, you know, and what that means is is they eat the the food that was out there, like that was row crop or whatever, like say it's rice and it's cut rice, right? Well, there's gonna be some rice that's left out there from wind loss or machine failure, they call it header loss, or just you know, operator error, you know, uh uh operator misses, you know, pouring that grain from the the combine harvester to the grain cart, you know, or they spill it, you know, from the grain cart and go in over. You know, or I don't know if you've ever been in a rice field, but there's big ruts and stuff, and they're getting beaten bounced around, and it shakes some of that rice out of there. So they say that that they can eat a field out, right? I don't believe that because I've had several rice fields that the wind was blowing one direction one day, like say it's a northeast, and just it wasn't on. You know, the ducks just were not interested in it. And then the next day it blows out of the northeast, and just every duck in the world wants in there. I think that it the water's flooded on the stubble, and it and you got the wind blowing the stubble a different direction. So it's like like so the wind's out of the north right here, and my hand's the rice, right? And then my phone's a stubble. So the wind's blowing out of the north, and it's making the water push this way on top, right? So the wind changes out of the northeast. Now this this new grain is exposed now. And then the next day it changes back out of the north. It's covered back up again. The ducks aren't interested in it. That's my theory on it. There's no scientific evidence behind it, but that's my that like I'm just a common sense kind of person, and I like it's got to be something like that. That you ever worked on something, just anything, it could be an IKEA desk or something, and you're trying to get something together, and you're like, We're not doing something right, it's got to be something stupid, and then you figure it out, and you're like, Oh my god, that was stupid. And it was like a little rubber box or something like that. Yeah, just like it, it's it's got it, it that's that's my point on the ducks, why they pick where they're gonna go. It's something stupid. It's just it's something so like you got these people that really like they get all science-y about it, and ducks are very if you got common sense, they're they're really they're really easy to figure out. If you now the first thing is you gotta have ducks to figure them out, you know. If you don't have any ducks, then you ain't got no ducks

Rain Events And Fresh Feed Theory

SPEAKER_02 46:10

to kill. But when you have ducks and you're trying to figure out a game plan on how to kill them, it's really common sense. I mean, you got to look at all the things that they use wind, food, um where they're coming from, uh, where they go to when they leave. I mean, if you put all that stuff together and just make a plan that makes sense in your eyes, usually you can win. And I built an outfitter off doing it. You know, I know what the hell I'm talking about, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Well, um, you know, talking about the the whole thing with the with the um the what's up, guys?

SPEAKER_05 46:46

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SPEAKER_01 47:18

The food cave and water. You know, one of the things I wanted to say from just you said very logical. Here's a very logical perspective on rain, and and that everybody can relate to is that if you've been even in your own yard, if it rains, if you look out there right after a rain, you're gonna see birds all over your lawn. You know what they're doing? That water flooded and it made the foot the worms, little you know, invertebrates and things like that come to the surface, and the birds aren't dumb, they're over there eating all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

That's what ducks are doing a lot of times when there's after a rain, you see a robin in your yard looking for a worm. You know, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Um you look at uh and like water is one thing, but topography too, terrain change. So Google or look up a video of people cutting rice in Louisiana, like harvesting rice, okay. We don't, I mean, I guess we get some of them here. I haven't seen very many. I have seen them before, but I don't see them like they do in Louisiana. But they got these little white birds, they look like seagulls, but they're not. But when they're cutting rice, right, none of these birds will be around, right? But if you go on YouTube and just watch a video of it, they'll be cutting rice, and then all these white birds right behind the combine start just they're all over the field. They look like snow geese out there. There'll be thousands of them. And what they're doing is is they're eating all the I guess the maybe the rice. Uh, if that rice has water on it, there's a little fish that get out there in the rice fields. We call them rice slicks here. I don't know what they call them down there. There's no telling, it's probably some kind of French term. But but like rice slicks, they'll eat those rice slicks, they eat little snakes, they're just all but like before when that rice was, you know, was on the stock before they cut it, it was they couldn't see it, right? So then the combine comes by and cuts the rice, and then it's just a stick, you know. Just you've you guys seen stubble, so it's just like a piece of straw sticking up right now. So when they fly over, they can see directly down in there, and they're like, Oh, there's food everywhere, and they just start piling in there. Don't believe me, go look up a YouTube video on it. Huh. But like, same deal, like Mother Nature works together as one. You know what I mean? So it's that, it's to me, it's that simple, and that's what makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

I mean, well, it really backs up the whole thing as a waterfowler is you gotta pray for weather.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

Um before we uh we got a couple questions in here I want to get to real quick. So Logan

Duck Camps Holding Birds Ethics Debate

SPEAKER_05 50:00

Thorpe asked, and this is kind of more of a cade question, because my my question uh or my opinion on this after talking to um let me let me ask the qu or put out the question first. Hold on. So the question is what are your thoughts on duck camps, people flooding properties, and holding birds? I think after talking to like scientists, that the more birds you can hold in a given area, the better off your hunting will be. But I want to hear your thoughts, Kid.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Okay, that's true. Um it's true that yes, if you plant uh, you know, a whole bunch of acreage and you're gonna hold a bunch of ducks. It is 100% true. There is there's no, I mean, and they've got to get to you too. You know, if I would have planted a standing crop of whatever this year and left it in the field, they'd have never got to it until after duck season because we didn't have no water.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

That is true.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

Uh, but it if you do have I know people that did have flooded corn, and when it froze up right at the end of season, and they were pumping water on top of ice, so the ice was stopping the water from going in the ground, right? They were pumping water on top of ice and they were murdering ducks. I heard about this one guy down in Stuttgart that killed like a thousand birds one weekend. I mean, it was crazy. And uh, and they had like two porn, huh?

SPEAKER_01 51:26

No, no. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

No, it was like a whole club, and then they just kept inviting people or whatever. It was all legal, like but like it was just an amazing good for them. Well, I mean, going back to the I gotta kill everything. I'm the I'm the best hunter in the world, kill them all. Who cares, dude? You you killed some ducks, I've killed some ducks too. You know, you kill you kill one mallard and you've killed them all. We got 55 limits of greenhead. Who cares? You kill one, you kill them all. There's not, I mean, it's not the same. But so my thoughts on the duck camps, if you put the food there, yes. If you if you plant it, they will come if you have water. Um but here's my opinion on it. I don't think it's right. Um I don't think that it's fair to the people that uh there's some people out there that can't afford to go on a guided hunt, or there's some people out there that can't afford to join a duck club that's gonna plant all that corn. Um I believe that it's wrong. I now let me tell you this, if I had the funds to do it myself, yes, I would, because it's legal, but I don't think it should be. Because it's it's let's say you got six doctors, right? You got six doctors and they get all their money together and they buy this giant chunk of ground, right? And it's right next to next to some public places, and they build a place for these ducks to eat. They're gonna plant 300 acres of flooded corn here, and then they're gonna have their own refuge here, and then they're gonna hunt here and here, you know. That's great for them, but what about all the people that can't afford to do that that want to duck hunt? Like they just don't get a fair opportunity anymore. And that's not right to me. It's not right to my fellow hunter, you know. And but that going back to the it's sad how we're going nowadays. You know, when I was a kid, you could go hunt public land and you walked up on somebody in a duck hole somewhere or something like that. It and it and it didn't matter if they were from here or Georgia or where they were from. You walked up on it, it was the nicest. It was, oh hey man, I'm I'm sorry I didn't didn't see you here. Oh man, yeah, we're we got over here and everything. Uh he was like, Well, I we don't want to get in your way. No, y'all come hunt with us. I mean, like everybody was very respectful to one another, and now it's teenage testosterone, freaking millennial stuff going on, I guess. But like it's sad, it really is. And I I don't believe that it's right that people flood that I that that's my personal opinion on it. If it was up to me, it it'd be outlawed. Um, you know, if you want to plant a crop for corn, uh the way they do it, so if you get caught baiting, right? If I go out and I bait my farm, right, I go out and put out uh, you know, a pallet of 50 pound sacks of corn all across my stuff and I get caught. I that farm cannot be hunted until it's gone and then 10 days after, right? So it's it's baiting, but it's legal baiting, is what leaving a crop like that. And I'm not talking about you plant some millet and stuff like that. Them ducks eat that millet, but they ain't gonna eat it like like corn and stuff like that, you know. They're they seem to be more attracted to it. Uh and people are like, well, Cade, well, you're hunting over rice. I'm hunting over harvested rice. They're literally picking the crumbs up that are left. There's not 250 bushel rice left out there for them. They're just picking the crumbs, and you know something, they're and they're not gonna look for those crumbs every day. You know, like it's it's fair chase what I'm doing. That that the flooded corn stuff is like high fence duck hunt to me, is what I think. I mean like I got something to say.

SPEAKER_05 55:43

Do you think, Cade, that the solution would be like, yeah, you can manage your property, you can do that, but it needs to be like natural, moist soil like environment. Like you're creating a wetland marsh.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

They need to re they need to regulate it like you're baiting. So if I can't pour 50-pound sack of corn out there, but I can leave it on the on the stalk, then if if that's the rules for pouring corn on the ground, then the rules for planting it, leaving it standing, and I'm talking about row crops. Row crops, soybean, corn, rice, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

You're talking about leaving it standing.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

I'm talking about leaving it standing. I'm not talking about little grains like millet and stuff like that. Yeah, those won't affect it like row crops will, you know. I know for a fact, because there was people before Tony Vandemore, there was people

Species Pressure And Limit Talk

SPEAKER_02 56:40

planting millet, and they still had some duck hunting, good duck hunting, but I had the same duck hunting that they did, you know what I mean? Like I was guiding at a place, we was hunting over cut rice fields and killing them just fine. And it's really not fair to the people in Louisiana. I'd be mad if I was if I lived in Louisiana, I'd be mad if I had a uh some kind of empire built like like I do up here. I wouldn't really call it empire, but I'm just saying, like, if you had something real big built that you put a bunch of money into, uh I would be very mad if I lived in Louisiana about it. Uh, because it it does it block all the ducks? No, but I know it's affecting them because you got more people hunt them. There's more people hunting them now than there was 20 years ago. There's and there's like before Tony Vandemore was about the only one you heard about doing it, and now it's everybody that's got money, and that's the thing. There's a ton of people that got a bunch of money in waterfowl, and it's not right when everybody starts. But it's not that this 200 acres is gonna affect the whole migration, it's that the 800 people that got money that do it, you know, when you accumulate all their ground they have together, that's what's gonna affect the migration. Like that the people don't look at the big picture, they're like, Well, if I just plant 200 acres of corn, you're gonna tell me I'm gonna stop the migration, you're gonna stop a piece of it. But when you equivalate everybody that's doing it, that's when it starts stopping. But you know what? Like there's they're still gonna come. The whole point of me showing you the video a minute ago was is they're still gonna come. You know, all that all that corn and stuff was up there, but they're not coming naturally, they're coming on, you know, we had a big snow, and that's why they had to come. They had to come south. We had a big snow, it pushed them south, and then we got rain and it held them, but it was after duck season. But they should, I don't believe that it's right. Uh, I don't believe that it's right, and there's I I would argue with somebody in court about it, and I'd win too, because like they there's no defense on oh yeah, it's it's totally fine, and it's not affect it is affecting, and that's why people are talking about it. Is because they're hunting in some places their hunting wasn't great to begin with, but now it's awful, you know. Like if they had a uh there's some places not I'm not speaking for the whole state of Illinois, but I know some people that had some clubs in Illinois, and you know, if they killed two or three hundred ducks a year, they had a really good year. And I'm not speaking for the whole state of Illinois, but those are still good numbers, but they went from doing that to nothing. Yeah, not nothing.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Like it's let me step in and I want to say this to you guys, and I want everybody to listen up on this because I'm just speaking, anybody my age is going to be able to relate to this, and that is this, and this is what I've watched happen is no matter what you hunted, I don't care if it's deer or ducks. When I was growing up, you hunted areas that were nobody created food plots, whether you were for ducks or for deer. Nobody did that, nobody did it. All right, you leased ground or you had ground, and a farmer did what they did, and you your opportunities became that of the environment that you hunted. Okay. So, like for example, if Justin and I used to hunt a farm that my stepuncle had that, we knew that as soon as he cut that corn, as soon as he plowed the corn, it went through just like that. But we couldn't control it because he had to do that to get that corn back in the ground so that he could get the crop in for next year, right? So nobody was altering the ground to give themselves an advantage, is my point. That's where this whole thing has changed. And we can say the same thing about deer hunting. I'm I'm not gonna give my opinion one way or the other on this. I'm just speaking facts about what has changed over time. What's changed over time is now that people are putting that in their own control to give themselves an advantage. And literally, it started back in deer hunting time. Like, for example, if we had a farm and we were hunting and this guy had corn, we would say, Hey, we'll give you a couple hundred bucks if you leave us a couple rows of corn standing next to the woods, right by where we put a tree stand. So what were we doing there? That's a debatable point, right? It's it's the same thing with leaving standing crops in a in a pit or on a field. It's the same thing with no matter what you hunt. It's the same thing, in my opinion. So I just want people to think about that as they're processing all this, is that it's changed. All right. So therefore, yes, the waterfowl, where they go and what they do, and the deer, too, and everything else that uses those forests and fields, it's all changed, bro. It's all changed.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

I have uh I have a little bit of a different opinion on baiting deer. You know, here's the difference in ducks and deer.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Deer don't say I'm against it or for it. I'm just saying facts.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

But I'm just saying the people that might be thinking, well, Cade, you bait deer. I'm like, well, number one, it's legal in my state. And number two, the deer don't migrate from Canada. You know, that's true. That they're not having to walk through, you know, whatever it is, two, three thousand miles of farms to get to mine. They live there, you know. Right. And you know what? I got four legs. They can walk over to my neighbors, and he's got corn out. Like everybody, and you know something, just because you got corn out don't mean you're gonna kill a deer. I didn't kill a deer. I didn't kill a deer from 2019 to like whatever the year before last was. I didn't kill one for four years, and I bow hunted pretty hard. I didn't get to gun hunt because that's when duck season ended. But I I hunted hard, and then here these last couple years, I've killed a couple deer now, and and that was No, it don't guarantee you nothing, it but it definitely puts it in your favor, you know what I mean? When you alter things, is like if you're in a good flyway where there already some there, and then you manipulate manipulate them, you know, to come in there, you're gonna have them. Like you're going to have like it's all about location with that. And I don't think it's right. I I don't think it's right. Uh on the on the ducks.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

So let's move on to the next one, Tristan. What do you got?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:24

Well, I was just gonna say, we haven't had to get another question come in, but I was just gonna say, like, I feel like a a solution would be just totally spitballing, would be like, yeah, you can manage your ground, but like the state or whoever kind of sets like what does natural waterfowl habitat look like? That's what you can create. Natural waterfowl habitat, not human waterfowl habitat.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

Well, I'm all for if you want to flood some stuff, you know, if you want to give them more water to stay on, that's cool. Right. I'm just saying don't force them to stay in one place, let them go, let them do what they do, let them go south, let them go to Louisiana, you know. Let them go. I mean, you know, I don't try to stop them in Arkansas, you know, at all. I like literally with that farmer plant is what's out there. I don't do anything extra. I let them naturally feed on what I have and do what they do. And you know what? You guys can vouch for me. I mean, sometimes it is great, it feels like we're baiting sometimes. But like, I mean, it is it's incredible when it's incredible, and it really when you can do it naturally, it really makes you appreciate it. Oh, it does. If you put you know, 900 acres of corn like Habitat Flats does out there, well, gosh damn, I hope you kill a duck. You know I hope so. That's well, you pay for it too, right? You pay for it. To kill a duck. Right. A duck to kill a duck that they're literally putting a harvestable crop out there for a duck. You know what I mean? Like it's just a big waste of money to me, and them ducks, they they there's so many places that are doing so much for the ducks, and uh and I'll tell you this, there's a lot more people hunting them. I wish, and some people aren't gonna like that I say this, but if that if they're like, well, there's less ducks, there's less ducks, what can we do? What can we do? Well, for starters, let's not kill six of them, let's back it down to four. You know, let's let's let's let them get overpopulated a little bit, because we got a lot of people hunting them. So when you do want to bump that limit back up, like you're not just gonna just knock it right back down, like let them get up there a little bit, you know. Yeah. And I'm not even I've heard had some people say, Well, let's knock it down to two ducks. I alright, you know, I think that the I definitely think you shouldn't be able to kill four mallards. You don't see Amount of mallards that you do, and people are like, well, it's because the mallards don't come to Arkansas, they go to Missouri now. No, it's because everybody, and that's why I hate on a mallard. Everybody mallard is so overrated. So overrated. But everybody targets them. So like if they're killing the chair, my chair broke.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

What just happened? I heard something about I heard I heard something about mallard. Dude, you just got freaking the mallard gods just sent punishment to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:36

Dude, they did.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

Dude, they just totally, dude, you better think you better pray tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

It was the it was the spoonbill gods. They were mad that I was talking about mallards. It was Morgan. Yeah. But no, they were they the the mallards, though, um everybody's targeting them. So when everybody's wanting, like everybody's passing the spoon bills, everybody's passing teal. Let the teal don't shoot the teal. Don't shoot the spoon bills. Well, yeah, when everybody hunts them that way, there's gonna be less of them because everybody's trying to kill those. You know, they try so hard to kill those. So, yes, there's gonna be less of them. They're targeting that species of duck. So, like, obviously, there's that's how simple it is to me. It's not that they're not coming here because we get mallards. I got buddies of mine that hunt timber and they target mallards and they kill them just fine, you know, when the conditions are right. But and and we kill mallards too, you know. I mean, like, it ain't nothing again. Y'all kill mallards a little move before.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

Um, we kill everything. Like, literally, like like there's been some of the craziest from a redhead to I think you guys have seen a panic. I mean, there's some wild stuff that happens sometimes, and that's what's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:52

That's the beauty in hunting where I'm at, though. Yeah, like you don't know what when you step out there, you don't know what you might end up with.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

I mean, you really don't. You just you you step out there, y'all, y'all film that one video, and we killed like eight different species of ducks. That don't happen every day. It's possible, though. You know what I mean? Like, you don't know what you're gonna get. You could be coming out here, had people say, Oh, I've I want to kill a good mallard Drake, and they end up killing everything but that, but they're tickled to death because they got to kill a whatever, you know, a different kind of, you know, they got to kill a Drake Gadwall, you know, that was pretty, you know, and they're like, Oh, where I live at, they don't get this pretty or whatever, or they get to kill a pentail, you know. They got pentails, good lord. You can kill them in a squatter on some of my places, but oh my gosh, we see some pentails.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:52

There ain't no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

They raised the limit up last year, and then we don't get rain. Like that was so I was so looking forward to just mopping them.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:00

You know, are they keeping it? It's it's still three this year, isn't it? Yeah, it's still three.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

So if we get the rainfall, pentail down.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

Oh, dude, it's going down for real. For real, dude. I've seen, I mean, like literally, it's one of the most I mean, honestly, that's what I've I've talked about on a podcast before, but that's one thing that's difficult to recognize when you're in a pocket like that, which is really small in relative to the whole migration. And man, you see the amount of pentails that we see. Anybody in that hunts in that area would be like, there's no problem at all with the pentail population at all. But you could be five miles away and not see that, you know, or something, you're or one field over, really. I mean, you never know, you know. But yeah, we do see a lot of pentails. There's no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

Well, like the year before last, is here's the sad thing is is the year before last year when they raised the limit, there was a bunch of days I had where if I could have killed 10 10 pentails apiece, I would have, I mean, I would have. I mean, there were some days I could have killed a hundred of them. Uh like it was crazy. Uh and then last year we get a drought. Like, how often does that happen? Right in the winter. You never get a drought in Arkansas in the winter.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:22

Yeah, usually it's flooded too much is the problem. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

I mean, like, usually we're getting down gravel roads and boats and stuff like that to get in a side by side to take the side by side to go get in another boat.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:35

Right. So, Kate, you know, I want to get into a little bit before um before, you know, we get out of here. And I want to talk a little bit about

New Hunter Mistakes Wind And Decoys

SPEAKER_05 1:10:45

just like standard duck hunting stuff, you know what I mean? Like, for example, what is a mistake that you see new duck hunters make?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Say that again, I was reading the comment. I wouldn't pay any attention.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

You're good. What's what's a mistake that you see new duck hunters make or young duck hunters?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

Um, not paying attention to the wind. I had a group of people, and Riley's on here, he knows all right, he already knows who I'm talking about. Had their you you hear about the donut, right? Everybody's heard of the donut spread. Right. Now I'm not saying that the donut the donut spread doesn't work. But that if you don't know what that is, that's where you put your decoys out in a perfect circle. Right. Right. It's a donut. Waterfowl work into the wind. So if you have a north wind, right behind me right here is north. And I'm facing south. The wind's blowing this way, right? It's a north wind. They're gonna come into that wind.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

It's as simple as that. So you need to be facing where look, you don't even have to know your directions, north, south, east, west. Now it does help if you do, but even if you don't, the wind needs to be at your back or hitting you in the side of the face. Like if you're in a spot like some places you can't get the wind to your back, you just can't. Just the the setup just ain't gonna work. You know, you could have to face east or west and have a north wind. Then shoot them with a crosswind. Um, but like a lot of them don't play the wind. And like that is I don't care what you're hunting, but the wind is a big key factor in hunting, period. And it's a really big key factor in waterfowl hunting.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

Yeah, I would imagine um, yeah, I would imagine the the donut whole s the whole situation would be um kind of counterimproductive.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Well you're not giving them so like you going back to the donut I didn't even I didn't even finish with that, but like it's a donut, right? So you're trying to get them to land in the in the hole, but you're not you gotta give them a put like when you put a spread out, you're trying to give them a puzzle piece, right? You're trying to make them connect. So the these are your decoys and these are the ducts. You're trying to make them connect. That's why people make shapes and stuff. You're trying to give them a place to fill in. And sometimes, like you you hear the J hook, you know, so you got a hook of decoys that's like a J and you're trying to get them to light right here. Right. But sometimes they light right here on the end of the J or right here. Well, if they want to do that, then bring like say they want to light here on your J hook, then bring your decoys in closer. Bring bring your furthest, like keep the shape, but just bring your decoys in closer until you get them close enough to heal. If they're lighting right here, and like say you're facing this way, your J's like that, and you're right here and you're facing this way, and you can't get everybody to shoot because they're coming in this way, then bring this over this way until they're center of wherever you're sitting. It's as simple as that. It it really is, and I um that's a good point.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:26

Devin Smith asked, would you rather hunt the wind at your back or have a crosswind?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

Depends on my scenario. If I was hunting out of a pit, I would I love hunting a crosswind in a pit. Uh absolutely, you know what? I actually take my answer back. I like hunting, I really like hunting a crosswind because they're not coming in straight at you. You know what I mean? I don't like it when they're like you got a pit blind and it's like you know, broadside, right? So they're seeing, you know, our pits are 20 foot long. So when they're coming in straight at a pit or a blind or a tree line or whatever, panel blinds, name it, whatever you're hunting out of, right? If they come in and you're facing broad, you know, your blind, your blind is broad side to them, right? They're seeing the whole 20-foot blind. Crosswind is three foot wide, right? Crosswind, they're seeing three foot of blind, right? So it's less blind, right? And it just seems like it's easier for them to fool. So, yeah, that's a great question, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:27

There, I've never asked myself on that that twisted teal video that we have. Were they was that a crosswind?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:36

It was a light, it was a light wind. And uh teal, so teal are very special.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

Teal don't follow rules.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

You can have a wind, like the only time that they follow the rules, and I mean come in with the wind, is if like it's a hard wind, like a hard, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:01

And you're talking green wing teal, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:03

Yeah, I'm talking about blue wings, green wings, teal. I just name it. They don't like to follow the rules. It doesn't matter what race they are. Uh and uh but yeah, only time you're gonna get them to come in with the I mean you can get them to come in with a wind when you got a normal 10 mile an hour wind. And when you do, it's usually better because they'll sit, they won't be traveling as fast. But usually when they like to make their close passes, that they're coming with the wind. And you hear them like, you know, people talking about like, yeah, they came by like rockets. Well, that's because they were going with the wind. You know what I mean? And when you see them bank and they kind of slow down, they're catching that wind and it's slowing them down, and they come back and they're not flying as they're still flying fast, but it's not as fast, they're coming with the wind. That day, in that video on the twisted teal video, the wind was coming out of the the south, so that would have been to our right, and that would have been on the right side of the camera frame that day because we were facing west. Or no, we were facing east, sorry. And uh, but yeah, when I Yeah, they were kind of coming in from our left. You can tell me, I mean, you can hear me say get ready before they even turn around because all you knew they were making, they kind of make a figure eight, and when you work one group of till and you got a bunch of teal around, you know you're gonna get another group, if they come from the same direction, most likely they're gonna do the same thing, the same thing that the group before did. I don't know why, but they do. At least you can assume they do. I'm not saying every time they will, but you can assume and a lot of times they do what exactly

Crosswind Versus Wind At Your Back

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

what the group before does. But that day they would come out of the southwest, come over the top of us, going northeast, and make a figure eight, and come back, they get north of us and get start heading south into that light wind, and they try to slow down and hit the side of them decoys, and that's why we were able to beat them up so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:59

So yeah, that was that was such an interesting and fun hunt because, like, you know, most of the time you get in like such a mixed bag out there, and the fact that it was just like I mean, I think out of 36 ducks, 34 of them were teal or 33 of them were teal. It was just crazy that it worked out that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:18

Well, and it was and that field was actually oh because of the flooding, it was over flooded and deep, which was even crazy too. I mean, thank God you had decoys out there with long enough um whatchamaca lines on them because it actually got real deep in that field that one year, if I remember right.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

It gets really deep. That's why we built the blind that so that was the old blind that was there. That blind got flooded that year. Um, and we've got a new one built there. I mean, it was new, that's been a few years ago now, but we've got it built six feet off the ground because that's how I was trying to build it just high enough to where the water wouldn't get it because the first two blinds I put right there got washed away. I built one and it got washed away, and then I built one a little taller and it wasn't tall enough and it got washed away. And I was like, Well, if I just put it six foot off the ground, it's gonna have to flood the whole world. So that's what I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:17

Yep, pretty much. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:18

Hey, just just make it a boat, so you know if it does flood that much, you just I had it floating on six five-gallon barrels, and it pulled the so we I had T-posts driven in the ground, like six-foot T-posts, and like probably eight inches of them were sticking out of the ground, right? And I had them bent over and tied on there, and then I had tall T-post on the side where it would slide up and down those T-posts and it wouldn't go nowhere, right? But I had anchors in the ground. That blind pulled all eight of those anchors out of the ground, and then knocked those T-posts over that were those guides that helped it stay in place, and it went down Cache River and flipped over in a canal ditch, and we had to take it apart, and that's what we we rebuilt the new blind with part of that blind, like what we could salvage off of. Wow. But yeah, we've tried we tried to make it. I that's that was my second design, and then it was a terrible disaster. We had barrels everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:19

I mean, it was so so so so in the middle of the night, Cade gets us this premonition. It's it's it's uh God speaking to him, and he's like, Cade, build the ark. The water is coming.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:36

I saw uh I saw Angie said, uh love the new lodge there, Kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:42

Yeah, I'm trying to find you. I just clicked off of you. Um I don't know what I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Who said that? Is mama?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:52

Yeah. Why don't you tell everybody a little bit about uh obviously it's kind of hard to show a visual here, but what what's got going? What's uh what's the situation at the new lodge? Like the the sleeping quarters, like how many people, those kinds of things. Yeah, give us a visual.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:06

Like tell us a visual. I so we're thinking 18 is what we're gonna sleep. Wow. Um we're thinking I don't know where you guys went. Oh, you can't see us? Like I clicked off of it because it was saying my battery was getting low, but I can you see me? Yeah, okay. Well, whatever. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:26

How many square feet is it, Kate? Roughly.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:29

Uh we'll wrap it up then. Roughly 6,000. Wow. Uh yeah, it's a big one. Um it's like three times the size of 1.0. It's got seven bedrooms. Um it's got three, it's got two showers, three bathrooms, so like two and a half baths. Um, and uh, I'm trying to think. I'm it's got we got a big shop.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:53

It's new. It's it's relatively it looks brand new.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:56

Yeah, it's it's relatively new. It was built, I think, two years ago. Two or three years ago, no more than two. I can't remember when he built it. Um good friend of mine built it, Blake Burns. Um, really good guy. Um, he's a carpenter, he does a hell of a job. Um, so I know it's built right. And uh that that was one thing that had us sold on the place is we knew that it was gonna be, you know, sturdy. Um

Teal Behavior And The Figure Eight

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

good quality build. Yeah, it was gonna be a very good quality build. We're thinking we're gonna sleep 18. Uh our prices for this year are gonna be the same, but I mean, we're gonna have to change them after this year. I don't know how much. Um it it just depends on how the numbers work. Sure. Um, how what the cost what it takes to um what it takes to build, you know, to hey, there you are.

unknown 1:23:04

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:05

You're also talking, you're also talking about potentially adding meals too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:10

Yeah, we're so we're gonna we're gonna cook for everybody. Um we've got a real good cook. I'm not gonna like we don't have anything arranged yet, but uh we're going to. I mean, we've got we've our she already knows and I know, and we haven't figured it out yet. I don't know how we're gonna charge the cooking. We talked about making it a whole package thing where you just had to pay one deal lodging hunt and cook all that, one shebang. I I don't know. I need some more feet, I need to get some people out here hunting, and I'm gonna it'll be fair. It'll be fair. I'm gonna say, What do you think? Because I oh you know, I don't it doesn't matter what I think, it's what the consumer thinks. You know, Joe Joe Dirk said it the best, you know, it's not what you want, it's the consumer.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:02

Well, so Joe Dirk. So there's a question from Logan, which I'm assuming he's yeah, he's one of your hunters. He said, I like the new lodge as well. I have a question. If we want to stay there and have hunts booked, how do we book that? Is it are if anybody has a hunt booked with you, are they good? Are you planning on them staying in that lodge, or what's kind of the game plan with that, Kate?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:22

Well, so what do you like? Do you mean like this year? Or yeah, is he is he booked with lodging?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:29

If they're booked with lodging, will they stay in that lodge? Or what's kind of the game plan with that? Yes, this year.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:36

Yes, yes. That's the lodge we're gonna, yeah, we gotta start making money. We got a ton of money to have to make back on it to to get it to earn a profit. Like, we got a lot of money. We're gonna, you know how many people it's gonna take to run through there to like make it all back. It's gonna be a lot, but in the long run, I think it's gonna be worth it. I really do. It is. But yes, they will be staying there. Um, I've still got my old lodges. I've subleased one out. Um, and then I've I've got another one uh kind of as a uh I'm gonna I think I'm gonna have my guides stay in that one. Uh just so they can, you know, if they don't want to party all night or whatever, some of these duck hunters like to party. If they don't want to party all night and they can go to bed, you know. I mean they they work hard and they're they want to go get some sleep, they can go get some sleep, go get some privacy, you know, or just wind down for the night, whatever. Not saying that our guides are antisocial or anything, but there's just some times where we're running so hard that um that there's times that we're running so hard that they're just wore out. They're like, guys, I'm I'll hang out with you tomorrow night, but I've got to get some sleep tonight. Like we've been, you know, there's there's times where you know, if you get six hours of sleep in two days, I mean you really did something.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:59

Um, and then there's some times, there's some weeks where if I get any sleep that uh and last year there was a bunch of it. Um that's kind of why I've enjoyed summer here so much. I've got to do a little bit more sleep. Uh yeah, it takes a lot of work. So uh well, and I want to say, like with I hope I answered that question good enough with Logan's situation there, Tristan.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:23

So if somebody's got a hunt booked with you, Cade, but they didn't book lodging, they should probably get with you ASAP, right? If they want to include lodging.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:33

Yeah. Okay. I'm just booked to hunt, no lodging yet. I was thinking about staying. So here's what I'm doing right now. Okay, right now, not talking about next year yet. So when somebody books with me, even if they tell me that they're not gonna have lodging, I go ahead and assume that they're going to lodge.

Floods Destroying Blinds And Rebuilds

SPEAKER_02 1:26:55

So I hunt every group as if they're doing everything. That's how I do everything, and that way you never have any overfills.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:04

You never had so if you assume that you're gonna have a group of four, four, and four, you go ahead and say, All right, we got 12 lodging. And if one of them four is like, oh no, we got a motel, then you're still good, you're not over. Okay, that sucks, but like you're not gonna be over. And I have been over before, and it is not fun dealing with that headache, yeah. Um, so yeah, I uh I hope it answers that question. So love to get with Cade.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:33

Yeah, get with Caden uh his lodging this year is still it's $40 a night, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:38

This year all the prices are the same that are displayed on the Facebook page. All of it's the same this year, but it's not going to be. So if you want to know what we if you want to get out here and hunt with us and uh do it while we're priced where we're at, I mean, then this year it's a hell of a deal. This year's the year it really is. Yeah, this this year's dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:02

I come out there and spend $40 a night not even hunt. I just want to see what the hell what the hell goes on every night when the hunters get back.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:09

I'd spend a hell I'd spend $40 at that Mexican restaurant every night. Dude, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:16

Come on. And then now you're adding Britney's cooking. Britney, y'all, if you haven't had her cooking, she was doing a catering service before, but Cade's teaming up with her man cheese, something else. So it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:28

Colton asks if you can live there. You can live uh in the tin building outside. No, Colton, you can't because your wife won't allow it. Uh his wife would probably move out there with him when you talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:41

She'd probably move out there and tell him to stay with the kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:44

It's very nice. Like it's gonna be like I don't know if the videos do it justice.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:49

I'm I'm still kind of just well, that big open dining area and everything. It's in in the in the living the the main area is gonna be such a communal area. It's gonna be real with what we And I know a bar, a bar is gonna be being put in, is what I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:05

Well, so what we've what we have, like it's been real congested, but like you know, it was the cards I was dealt. Like it wasn't like I could like I wanted my people to be able to lodge with me if they wanted to, but like, you know, like in cash, there's not a lot of options for, you know, you can't just go lease a lodge, they're hard to find. And when you do find one, they usually get, you know, somebody rents them just as fast as they went up for rent. And I was fortunate to have the two little places that I have, and I still have them too. Like, that's part of why I don't want to get rid of them. They're hard to come by. And um, I think over time we're gonna upgrade them, the two smaller lodges. We're gonna remodel them and we're gonna make them nicer. And if we have a, you know, a group that's wanting to be strictly private, you know, you have a corporate group or whatever, then I'm gonna it'll be a smaller deal, but it's gonna be like a nicer setting. It'll be it'll be more quiet and it'll be more private, you know, it'll be kind of like an Airbnb would be sort of, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:11

Well, and I think one thing to point out about that new lodge, now that we're talking about this, like, you know, because everybody's different, right? You get your groups that they're coming in, like, let's say you're a group that, you know, you're not into the party and all that kind of stuff, and you you're exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you're older like me, you know, that kind of stuff. One of the things I think it's great about that lodge, Cade, is it that long hallway leading back to the bedrooms, you know? So off of the main area, it's

New Lodge Layout Capacity And Meals

SPEAKER_01 1:30:40

not like you're sleeping, you know, like sometimes when you get a hotel and you're like that first room where everybody comes in, you can hear everybody going on the elevator, everybody doing their thing, all that shit. I think one of the cool things of is just the way it's laid out, you know, that you can kind of you can have some privacy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:58

Well, the good thing about it is is the place was built by a duck hunter, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

There you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

He's a duck hunter, so like and a builder. Yeah, and a builder. So like worked out great. Um, and I mean he's got a good brain on him, you know. He he knows what he's doing. So like and that that was what part part of what got us interested in it and everything. So um, but yeah, we're excited. We got a lot of new stuff going on. We got a new lodge. Our snow goose hunting stuff's about to get a lot bigger. Um, and uh I don't want to say a lot about that right now because I don't know all the details on it, but we're it's a hundred percent about to get bigger. Uh, we're about to get some more ground uh to goose hunt on, and uh I'm hoping that we book some more people, we can get some more people out here to enjoy it. I mean, that's what we got it for, you know. Um we want people to get out here and enjoy what we have, you know. Uh people ask tell me all the time, man, Cade, you could just start a hunting club and let them pay for it, and you just have a place to hunt and have all this stuff. I was like, yeah. I was like, but I don't get to meet new people, and there's a lot of drama in hunting clubs, and I just try to stay away from it. Um so yeah, I mean that I I I would rather, you know, meet new people and the good people. There's very few of them. And if and if um, but not that's just a joke, but yeah, they'd uh you get to meet people and it and like I said, it's great. You get to meet them from all over.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:45

That's right. Okay, well, man, we're excited for you. A lot of good stuff coming from Delta Thunder Outfitters. We're excited to get back out there. I know I'm gonna be extremely excited because I'm gonna be very limited on my time with a newborn any day on the way, but um, yeah, it's gonna be great stuff. Well, guys, uh, appreciate y'all joining in. Um, if you liked this format of the podcast, make sure you let us know because this is something we were experimenting with. Would love to do it more often. I know we had fun, it was cool getting the comments and stuff like that. So uh we'll definitely uh do it again if y'all liked it. But um shot. Well, cool. Well, Kate, tell everybody uh where they can get in touch with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:32

Oh if you're interested in booking a hunt or just calling and asking me some questions, you know, uh if you missed this podcast and missed the live deal and you got some questions for me, shoot me a call or a text at 87470926-7944 mail, and I'll call you back immediately when I see it. So yeah, and we just want to get you guys out here and get you on some birds and let you have a great time. So we're excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:03

Repeat that number, Tristan.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:05

It glitched out a little bit. 870-926. What is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:11

7944.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:13

794. All right, I'm gonna put it in the show. Did it glitch out again? Yeah, it's just getting a little glitchy for some reason, but I

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SPEAKER_05 1:34:20

put it in the comments, so at least the YouTube people see.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:23

8709267944.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:29

There it is. Voicemail is full. All right. Well, appreciate you guys. Have a good night.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:51

Going too fast now. Thing all slow down, standing in the poring rain.