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So"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1901.949,"endTime":1906.5990000000002,"body":"any advice you'd like to leave"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1906.5990000000002,"endTime":1909.509,"body":"us with any final panel advisor"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1906.5990000000002,"endTime":1909.509,"body":"or conversation?"},{"speaker":"Tony Eddison","startTime":1909.5700000000002,"endTime":1914.7,"body":"Oh, fun, final"},{"speaker":"Tony Eddison","startTime":1909.5700000000002,"endTime":1914.7,"body":"advice. I think for all of us,"},{"speaker":"Tony Eddison","startTime":1914.7,"endTime":1924.3300000000002,"body":"students, educators. 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