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And what"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1127.89,"endTime":1129.3600000000001,"body":"advice would you like to leave"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1127.89,"endTime":1129.3600000000001,"body":"us with?"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1131.73,"endTime":1142.53,"body":"about education? You"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1131.73,"endTime":1142.53,"body":"want? Yeah, no, I just I say,"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1143.0700000000002,"endTime":1150.0900000000001,"body":"the best. The best students, I"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1143.0700000000002,"endTime":1150.0900000000001,"body":"got always very curious. So one"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1150.0900000000001,"endTime":1154.0800000000002,"body":"thing I will advise anyone"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1150.0900000000001,"endTime":1154.0800000000002,"body":"getting in this profession"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1154.0800000000002,"endTime":1157.26,"body":"wanted to get into this"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1154.0800000000002,"endTime":1157.26,"body":"profession is how do you"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1158.19,"endTime":1163.1100000000001,"body":"maximise that? How did you work"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1158.19,"endTime":1163.1100000000001,"body":"on that? You know, the"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1163.1100000000001,"endTime":1167.8200000000002,"body":"disempowers doesn't start on"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1163.1100000000001,"endTime":1167.8200000000002,"body":"sketching, but paid start before"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1167.8500000000001,"endTime":1172.89,"body":"What do you put in? Before you"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1167.8500000000001,"endTime":1172.89,"body":"can put out so be aware of that,"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1172.89,"endTime":1177.72,"body":"whether you would defend"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1172.89,"endTime":1177.72,"body":"yourself out of and try to"},{"speaker":"Oscar Diaz","startTime":1177.78,"endTime":1179.19,"body":"select very well that."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1181.02,"endTime":1183.3300000000002,"body":"Perfect."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1181.02,"endTime":1183.3300000000002,"body":"Well, thank you so much. I"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1183.3300000000002,"endTime":1187.3500000000001,"body":"really enjoyed our conversation."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1183.3300000000002,"endTime":1187.3500000000001,"body":"Thank you. Thanks. All right."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1187.3500000000001,"endTime":1189.93,"body":"Thank you. Bye. Thank you."}]}